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2[15:32:59] <genr8_> no
3[15:33:04] <genr8_> its a local address
4[15:33:21] <genr8_> its "fd" prefix. the aa is just made up. you can see the rest of it is aa bb cc dd ee
5[15:33:24] <RoyK> doesn't look like a local address - those are typically fd80::
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7[15:33:39] <genr8_> its all fdXX
8[15:33:44] <RoyK> ok
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10[15:34:06] <RoyK> genr8_: perhaps your ISP doesn't support IPv6 at all?
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13[15:34:21] <genr8_> this isnt about me
14[15:34:26] <RoyK> ok
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16[15:35:52] <genr8_> theres no good reason for his computer to have 3 IPv6 addresses for ethernet and 2 for wireless
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18[15:37:08] <genr8_> It could be NAT as you said. it could also be something weirder.
19[15:37:27] <RoyK> if the machine gets IPv6 from ND, which is usual, and it uses IPv6 privacy extensions, which is normal, then temporary more addresses may be assigned to a single interface
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21[15:37:50] <RoyK> genr8_: AFAICS, NAT uses a separate address range
22[15:38:00] <Bushmaster> iamjfk11, genr8_ replaced-url
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24[15:38:34] <Bushmaster> genr8_, is there issue with my network details I trust RoyK and genr8_ are analyzing it
25[15:39:07] <genr8_> its beyond me. i give up.
26[15:40:01] <iamjfk11> Unique Local Addresses (ULAs) fdaa: not public address space
27[15:40:20] <Bushmaster> genr8_, my wireless and eternet is working fine, so all I can say is thanks for bringing the connection back as far details listed in network, these are useful information and them commands are big help
28[15:40:53] <Bushmaster> iamjfk11, did you look at my source list replaced-url
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30[15:41:43] <Bushmaster> iamjfk11, genr8_ i did not comment out the mariadb, it must have gone commented automatically
31[15:42:05] <Bushmaster> shall i uncomment it, the last line in source list for mariadb to update genr8_
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33[15:42:31] <genr8_> no, it commented out the "src" source version only. the other one is enough to work
34[15:42:43] <genr8_> you could delete what it commented entirely.
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36[15:43:34] <genr8_> also. the first two debian ones didnt have "contrib" , but the other ones do. so you should make them match. either put contrib or remove contrib
37[15:43:34] <Bushmaster> okay, so i can delete the last line that was commented, yes, i see now, the line above is uncommented
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39[15:43:43] <genr8_> yea
40[15:43:50] <Bushmaster> hang on genr8_
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42[15:45:57] <Bushmaster> genr8_, iamjfk11 this is the revised update of source list, after taking your advise, shall I save it then? replaced-url
43[15:46:24] <genr8_> yes
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45[15:46:54] <RoyK> even the thought of NATing IPv6 is sick, so I just hope nothing is doing that.
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47[15:46:58] <Bushmaster> thanks a lot genr8_ really helpful
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49[15:47:26] <genr8_> np. if you add more, make sure the instructions always say debian.
50[15:47:31] <Bushmaster> RoyK, is anything detected wrong in my network?
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53[15:48:17] <Bushmaster> genr8_, well I may need to add SQL Server 2016 which is windows based RDBMS, I think you can install it in Debian but not sure
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55[15:48:49] <genr8_> sounds iffy
56[15:48:56] <ratrace> Bushmaster: you can, there's fossy edition of it
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58[15:49:04] <ratrace> I had the ..... unpleasure.... of using it.
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60[15:49:58] <Bushmaster> ratrace, thanks, well if its not good idea, i will leave it, i can utilize it in windows 10 sitting right next to my Debian, I do not like windows, cos it takes lot of time even to start
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63[15:50:18] <RoyK> Bushmaster: lines 7-8 should have contrib and perhaps non-free as well
64[15:50:35] <Bushmaster> RoyK, let me check
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67[15:51:03] <ratrace> Bushmaster: there's no tooling. the command line sucks beyond any imagination, and the visual/gui tools are for paid editions only, afaik. unless you have some third party IDE that can be used to administrate it
68[15:51:08] <Bushmaster> RoyK, let me re-edit it genr8_ and iamjfk11
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70[15:51:42] <ratrace> and btw when I said "fossy" edition, I mispoke. I meant really "free" as in beer with conditions.
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72[15:52:06] <Bushmaster> ratrace, that book by Murach SQL suggested it, I only needs it cos of future ADO.Net framework
73[15:52:30] <genr8_> he put contrib in already. and non-free is debateable
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75[15:53:54] <ratrace> Bushmaster: you can virtualize windows. you can download windows ISO from Microsoft officially. You can run it unpaid for a month, and then continue to do so and only be nagged by an "please register" text overlay in a corner of the screen.
76[15:54:19] <genr8_> and we're talking about the network cause theres 5 IP v6 addresses enabled for unknown purposes. I dont like auto adding stuff you dont need
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79[15:55:16] <Bushmaster> RoyK, genr8_ iamjfk11 is this the final amendment then replaced-url
80[15:55:41] <genr8_> I don't use non-free personally.
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82[15:56:11] <Bushmaster> RoyK, suggested hence I added it, as long as it is not going to cause issue in my Debian genr8_
83[15:56:43] <genr8_> i wasnt here when you started, I think someone mentioned something about firmware
84[15:56:47] <RoyK> Bushmaster: you can remove non-free if you don't want it
85[15:56:53] <Bushmaster> ratrace, well I will need Oracle Virtual Box at one point, windows, well its mainly for ADO.Net, C# and SQL Server
86[15:57:10] <ratrace> Bushmaster: nah, linux native qemu-kvm should suffice
87[15:57:29] <Bushmaster> RoyK, will that cause issue if I leave it
88[15:57:43] <RoyK> no
89[15:58:07] <RoyK> but those lines should contain the same repositories
90[15:58:09] <greycat> I'd say *most* Debian users have non-free and contrib enabled, for firmware and microcode.
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92[15:58:14] <Bushmaster> i will keep that non free in source list then RoyK cos i recall it was saying it cant access firmware before so it can solve it now
93[15:58:30] <Bushmaster> hello greycat
94[15:58:39] <Bushmaster> nice to see you after quite a while
95[15:58:39] <RoyK> perhaps except security, that lacks some of the sub-repos
96[15:58:53] <Bushmaster> okay I am keeping non free
97[15:59:22] <genr8_> you can get microcode from your UEFI, and you can use devices without firmware.
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99[16:00:48] <Bushmaster> ratrace, not sure about your last comment but here is what I am focused on HTML CSS JavaScript, PHP, Python and MySQL, Java, C#, Angular, Ruby on Rail, ADO.Net, ASP.Net, SQL Server 2016, Django and Jinja framework
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101[16:00:54] <genr8_> its not enabled by default for a reason
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103[16:01:18] <Bushmaster> and for these ratrace I need to straddle between Linux and Windows although I do not like windows
104[16:01:19] <ratrace> Bushmaster: my last comment was about "needing" Oracle Virtual Box
105[16:01:34] <ratrace> Bushmaster: linux has its own, native hypervisor
106[16:01:50] <ratrace> and bee sides, VB ain't even supported in Debian at the moment
107[16:02:05] <Bushmaster> okay ratrace
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109[16:02:20] <genr8_> virtualbox works fine
110[16:02:57] <ratrace> third party packages may or may not work "fine", but they aren't officially offered or supported by Debian
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112[16:03:17] <genr8_> he seems to like that.
113[16:03:45] <Bushmaster> okay folks, thanks a lot, especially iamjfk11 genr8_ RoyK thanks a lot, and catch you later
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115[16:04:07] <genr8_> enjoy
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121[16:08:09] <genr8_> replaced-url
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125[16:11:55] <genr8_> i cant search for the firmware- packages
126[16:12:10] <genr8_> gonna guess its even lower than that
127[16:13:22] <genr8_> ~15% jives with my prior expectations. idk any better way to gauge it
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214[17:53:33] <blackfox> ive got a mate desktop installed and most of the text and icons on the screen look small, is there a way to scale up everything by a little bit
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216[17:54:03] <ectospasm> blackfox: look for increasing the DPI of your display
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220[17:54:49] <ectospasm> The higher the DPI, icons will be scaled to match. I had a problem with KDE having fonts and icons too small, and I increased the DPI in software and it corrected that problem.
221[17:55:08] <ectospasm> Well, not KDE, Qt apps.
222[17:55:53] <blackfox> problem is i cant seem to find it anywhere
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225[17:56:46] <ectospasm> blackfox: replaced-url
226[17:57:00] <blackfox> thank you
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285[18:48:45] <jim> I'm looking in snapshot.d.o for a 5.4 linux-image, and found at least one thing wrong: I click on linux-signed, see the available versions, there's a dir "5", click on that, and all the versions are 4.10
286[18:49:31] <jim> (but, if I instead click on linux-signed-amd64, I found what I'm looking for)
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325[19:39:09] <recyclehero> hey guys
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327[19:39:23] <Twemlow> Y0
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329[19:39:42] <recyclehero> I want to manually partiton debian for my openstack ansible deployement
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331[19:39:47] <recyclehero> couple of questions
332[19:40:13] <recyclehero> I want to put boot and swap out of lvm then do the ret with lvm
333[19:40:15] <recyclehero> rest
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335[19:40:38] <recyclehero> is it important If I put swap at the end or beginning of disk?
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351[19:50:31] <cybiko123> I'd have to say no, but it's customary to put it after /boot, if it has a separate partition
352[19:51:19] <recyclehero> cybiko123: thanks. but it will make a diffrence IMO if one puts it in lvm
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386[20:29:44] <forester> Hullo. There is a PC with Intel 2 core and 2 Gb of RAM with ext4. Will an aufs be useful with this hardware?
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389[20:30:19] <forester> There are 3 partitions: /, /home, /swap
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407[20:44:45] <petn-randall> forester: So you want to use aufs for what exactly?
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506[21:54:28] <plujon> Greetings! I have an old deb7 virtual machine, and I'd like to install make on it. What's the correct apt-source ? Is it: replaced-url
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508[21:54:46] <greycat> !wheezy sources.list
509[21:54:46] <dpkg> Debian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has one line: «deb replaced-url
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511[21:55:15] <plujon> greycat: Thanks; I'll try that.
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514[21:55:27] <absinthe> !apt-spy
515[21:55:27] <dpkg> The apt-spy utility can automatically create a list of APT data sources to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/apt-spy.list, based on bandwidth tests. Not part of the Debian 8 "Jessie" release due to bug #779468. See also <netselect-apt> <sources.list>.
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521[21:58:19] <jim> was there ever a gcc-9 in buster?
522[21:58:50] <greycat> ,v gcc-9
523[21:58:51] <judd> Package: gcc-9 on amd64 -- bullseye: 9.3.0-18; sid: 9.3.0-18
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525[21:59:15] <jim> I'm trying to -not- install that one :)
526[21:59:45] <plujon> NO_PUBKEY 7638D0442B90D010; hmm...
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529[22:00:33] <plujon> (KEYEXPIRED 1587841717 KEYEXPIRED 1557241909) hmm...
530[22:00:47] <plujon> Maybe I should just change the system clock..?
531[22:01:43] <greycat> replaced-url
532[22:01:48] <jim> so it's clear there's not a gcc-9 in buster now, has there ever been one? like, from before buster was released?
533[22:02:03] <greycat> jim: tracker.
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535[22:03:44] <plujon> 1557241909 is 2019-05-07 15:11:49 +0000
536[22:04:08] <plujon> 1587841717 is 2020-04-25 19:08:37 +0000
537[22:05:44] <greycat> ... right, can't check on mine because they're still configured to use http: and the stupid work firewall destroys it
538[22:05:54] <jim> ok, the earliest gcc-9 that I can see, is version 9.2.1-30 on 29 Feb 2020 04:39:10 +0000, isn't that after buster was released?
539[22:06:02] <greycat> yes
540[22:06:42] <jim> hence trying to install gcc-9 on a buster is going to be problematic, and cause problems
541[22:06:51] <greycat> just build upstream source
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553[22:13:57] <plujon> grep . /etc/apt/apt.conf # Acquire::Check-Valid-Until false;
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556[22:14:29] <plujon> # apt-update # W: GPG error: error: replaced-url
557[22:14:33] <plujon> echo $? # 0
558[22:15:20] <plujon> apt-get install make # WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! make; Install these packages without verification [y/N]?
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560[22:16:42] <plujon> Does 'Acquire::Check-Valid-Until false' not "fix" authentication (meaning, make the date irrelevant)?
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563[22:19:20] <greycat> Maybe you simply don't have the keys at all.
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569[22:24:53] <GreatPumpkin> I upgraded to 10.6 or so , apt upgrade was fine but apt dist-upgrade is spitting grub-probe errors
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571[22:25:51] <GreatPumpkin> grub-probe: error: disk 'lvmid/FlQj7y-GZ0K-etc-etc' not found
572[22:26:02] <GreatPumpkin> I had to book into older kernel also
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575[22:26:57] <GreatPumpkin> now am on 4.19.0.9-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.118-2+deb10u1
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590[22:36:10] <GreatPumpkin> ah fixed itself, nm bye
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606[22:43:20] <bootdisk> hi, im using unattended-upgrades to keep my system updated, works fine! but i dont want to reboot the system , i have in the 50unattended-upgrades change Automatic-reboot to "false" from "true", but when im checking with "apt-config dump | grep -i reboot" automatic-reboot is still "true", how come?
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613[22:46:45] <jim> greycat, ok, what if, instead of trying to install this gcc-9 stuff, I build the linux-image and headers (etc) packages with the compiler I already got? will they depend on stuff I got instead of some other compiler?
614[22:46:50] <gpunk> check with systemd reload deamon thing
615[22:46:57] <jhutchins> bootdisk: Maybe you need to reboot.
616[22:46:59] <gpunk> bootdisk: for you
617[22:47:16] <gpunk> systemd will then refresh it's unit files etc
618[22:47:23] <bootdisk> gpunk, reload isnt working, restart does.
619[22:47:34] <bootdisk> jhutchins maybe :(
620[22:48:03] <jim> I'm trying to install the build stuff for the 5.4 kernel, because I'm trying to get v4l2loopback module working
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624[22:49:04] <jim> and v4l2loopback hasn't been updated to work with anything later than 5.4 kernel
625[22:49:05] <greycat> there are 5.x kernels in buster-backports. how are they built?
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627[22:49:28] <gpunk> as usual greatgatsby :)
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629[22:51:08] <jim> greycat, the v4l2loopback module won't work with anything past kernel 5.4, which is why I'm trying to install that
630[22:51:32] <greycat> So, why on earth do you believe that you need gcc-9 to do this?
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632[22:52:03] <jim> because the 5.4 linux-headers depends on that compiler
633[22:52:12] <jim> so maybe it'
634[22:52:36] <jim> is better if I build a 5.4 kernel with the gcc I got
635[22:53:00] <gpunk> jim: "because the 5.4 linux-headers depends on that compiler" that is zeird .
636[22:53:18] <gpunk> headers has never been dependent of a compiler version
637[22:53:28] <gpunk> in any kind of software
638[22:53:30] <greycat> ,depends linux-headers-5.8.0-0.bpo.2-686 --release buster-backports
639[22:53:31] <judd> No package named 'linux-headers-5.8.0-0.bpo.2-686' was found in buster-backports/amd64.
640[22:53:41] <jim> somehow it managed to
641[22:53:48] <greycat> damn it judd
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656[23:04:18] <bootdisk> found the "problem"
657[23:05:01] <bootdisk> for some reason i have 50-unattended-upgrades and 51myunattended-upgrades
658[23:05:09] <bootdisk> 51my... had "true"
659[23:05:25] <bootdisk> changed it to false, now it shows false
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662[23:08:06] <tomreyn> 51myunattended-upgrades is not a file provided by any debian package. the name suggests that whoever set up this system created it.
663[23:08:38] <tomreyn> replaced-url
664[23:09:03] <tomreyn> (maybe this guide is what you were using?)
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666[23:09:38] <bootdisk> ermh, not that i can remember :P
667[23:09:45] <plujon> Is netstat.iso the Debian equivalent of Ubuntu's mini.iso?
668[23:09:56] <plujon> s/netstat/netinst/
669[23:11:20] <bootdisk> tomreyn, im starting to remeber that "guide" now
670[23:11:46] <n4dir> plujon: as the name suggests it downloads what needs to be installed from the net. Or at least most of it.
671[23:12:08] <bootdisk> lol i even bookmarked that site :P
672[23:12:11] <plujon> n4dir: Thanks; I was just wondering why it's 473 MB...
673[23:12:39] <n4dir> that i don't know.
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685[23:21:51] <plujon> Is a swap partition necessary in a VM? Can Debian 10 use an ordinary file for swap?
686[23:22:45] <nkuttler> plujon: no. yes.
687[23:23:03] <plujon> nkuttler: Thanks!
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712[23:44:44] <deadrom> hi. specific reason /usr/sbin is not in PATH when I su?
713[23:46:24] <deadrom> had to export it else dpkg-reconfigure would not be able to call update-initramfs for example
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715[23:48:30] <dvs> !buster su
716[23:48:30] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/default/su (create it). See replaced-url
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721[23:50:18] <tomreyn> "which is not really a new thing at all" should probably be in all caps, bold, and blinking
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723[23:53:38] <plujon> shutdown -h now # fails with exit status 0 ?
724[23:54:18] <jhutchins> plujon: Define "fails".
725[23:54:19] <plujon> Failed to set wall message, ignoring: Access denied\nFailed to power off system via logind: Access denied
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727[23:54:41] <plujon> jhutchins: It prints those two messages and exits with status 0; the system doesn't power down.
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729[23:54:45] <jhutchins> plujon: One presumes you are running it as root?
730[23:54:52] <plujon> Nope
731[23:55:11] <plujon> nobody $ shutdown -h now
732[23:55:24] <jhutchins> There ya go.
733[23:55:30] <plujon> There ya go what?
734[23:55:41] <jhutchins> plujon: sudo or su -
735[23:55:47] <jhutchins> plujon: Run it as root.
736[23:55:48] <joepublic> it does what nobody has permission to do (i.e., nothing) and exits successfully.
737[23:55:50] <plujon> In that case shutdown will not fail.
738[23:56:39] <jhutchins> plujon: This is intentional behavior. You would not want a random user on a multi-user system to shut down everybody's session.
739[23:56:48] <plujon> Um.. That's strange. Commands that lack access usually exit non-zero as a way to indicate failure.
740[23:57:23] <plujon> Consider: shutdown -h now || sudo shutdown -h now
741[23:57:23] <jhutchins> plujon: But it failed successfully. It did what it was supposed to do. Return code 0.
742[23:57:30] <plujon> Failed successfully?
743[23:57:34] <plujon> chown nobody /
744[23:57:40] <plujon> Does that exit with status 0?
745[23:57:41] <jhutchins> Nonono
746[23:57:49] <greycat> File a bug report.
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749[23:58:17] <jhutchins> plujon: Man, don't even test that.
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752[23:59:45] <jhutchins> I dunno, it makes logical sense to me. The processes that actually failed were not the central process.
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