• 0[00:00:37] <genr8_> you could also look at the timestamp on /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow to see when/if that happened
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• 61[00:10:26] <genr8_> Theres also backups of those password files in /var/backups/
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• 66[00:13:47] <genr8_> If you ruin your root passwords you can also boot into single-user/rescue mode
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• 85[00:30:27] <Voidablazer> is btrfs stable on debian?
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• 88[00:33:07] <imMute> It worked well enough for me back in Jessie, whih was kernel version 3.16. To which the btrfs devs said "oh my god you need to upgrade".
• 89[00:33:16] <imMute> So... depends on what you want to get out of it :)
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• 91[00:33:51] <Voidablazer> is performance on desktop bad? i am thinking of using it on desktop, mainly for snapshots, in case i break something
• 92[00:34:12] <Voidablazer> but all the benchmarks show its much less performant than ext4
• 93[00:35:00] <imMute> IDK about performance. we ran out of caches for the most part, so perf wasn't a big point.
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• 95[00:35:45] <sney> I keep hearing that it's ok now. I'm a zfs user so I'm no longer in the target audience, but AFAICT, it's fine as long as you start from 0 and don't try to convert an ext* filesystem
• 96[00:35:51] <imMute> the answer is probably "try it, benchmark your use case and determine if the perf meets your requirements"
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• 98[00:38:45] <Voidablazer> sney: do you use zfs on linux? or freebsd
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• 101[00:40:30] <sney> linux currently, various opensolaris variants at various times too. never really bothered with freebsd
• 102[00:41:15] <sney> I am probably going to start using smartos again but it's a low priority, probably after the next time I move, though we'll see how bored I get over the winter :)
• 103[00:41:36] <Voidablazer> i guess thats on servers. not desktop
• 104[00:41:56] <sney> my home directory is on a zfs mirror on the desktop machine I am using to type this
• 105[00:42:18] <sney> which is running debian bullseye, to be clear
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• 107[00:42:47] <Voidablazer> oh i see. ubuntu now comes with zfs in their installer. so might increase usage of zfs on linux for desktop
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• 109[00:43:47] <genr8_> FreeBSD merging zfsonlinux instead is going to help unify everything also
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• 111[00:44:28] <Voidablazer> i have read than performance of zfsonlinux is far worse than btrfs for linux
• 112[00:44:58] <genr8_> yea, cause of the kernel overhead
• 113[00:46:00] <sponix> Voidablazer: has always done okay for me
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• 115[00:46:23] <Voidablazer> genr8_: because its an external module?
• 116[00:46:47] <genr8_> no, because the kernel was not made with that in mind
• 117[00:46:50] <sney> zfs is known to be relatively resource-heavy but in all my years of using it in various environments, I've never noticed a *real-world* performance problem
• 118[00:47:33] <sney> at least, not one that I couldn't blame on existing hardware bottlenecks
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