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39 [00:43:11] <mtnman> helo
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41 [00:43:26] <mtnman> is there a console front-end for network-manager?
42 [00:44:08] <AndreasLutro> mtnman: nmtui
43 [00:45:13] <mtnman> ok thanks
44 [00:47:22] <mtnman> actually it's nmcli not nmtui
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46 [00:49:34] <alex11> yes, ifup/ifdown/ifconfig
47 [00:49:36] <alex11> :trollface:
48 [00:50:05] <alex11> ifquery, i guess, not ifconfig (which i think is deprecated?)
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57 [00:59:32] <ryouma> well i didn't know htat and just tried ifquery, and --list just lists lo. and no options does nothing useful. so i'm not impressed :/.
58 [00:59:44] <ryouma> and ifquery -a does not do as expected.
59 [01:00:25] <ryouma> basically it seems to be impossible to find out the names of my interfaces with it, much less query them
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64 [01:08:39] <alex11> either ip or ifconfig is deprecated (i think it's ifconfig) but i can never remember which
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69 [01:09:49] <EdePopede> ifconfig (since that's the one i usually think of when i need the functionality)
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71 [01:11:59] <ryouma> well i holpe it stays around
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78 [01:21:45] <ov3rmind> i am an old entusiat of perl, and had some distance of your during some time, but i want recover my pratice witrh perl, at moment i learn with Moose, it is the right way??? very thank's
79 [01:22:14] <ov3rmind> ops exuse
80 [01:22:18] <ov3rmind> wrong channel
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84 [01:26:05] <ov3rmind> with debian i have builded an litle lan server on my studdy lab, with an stable debian host with rwo guests on vms kvm, running stable, i setup these guests as dnsmasq servers for an litle virtual network inside LAN, i setup these dns servers one linked to one public dns server, but each one on a diferent dns server. and setup the cache size with among of memory progressive
85 [01:26:16] <ov3rmind> the result is very nice
86 [01:26:47] <ov3rmind> these experiment up speed of queries and isolated bind cache
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95 [01:36:41] <leoni> hello, is it a bad practice to use binaries that are not in the repository? for example, by placing it in /usr/local/bin?
96 [01:37:14] <sney> that's what /usr/local/bin is for.
97 [01:37:33] <sney> it's only bad practice if you plan to install a package that has a binary of the same name.
98 [01:37:48] <leoni> i see
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103 [01:41:17] <leoni> @sney the binary im trying to place at /usr/local/bin has the same name as a package
104 [01:41:30] <leoni> however im not planning on using the official package, is that bad practice still?
105 [01:41:41] <sney> no, that's fine. that's what a lot of people do with e.g. certbot
106 [01:41:53] <sney> also, don't @ people on irc. most clients ignore that kind of highlight.
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108 [01:42:01] <leoni> right
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110 [01:42:54] <leoni> alright sney thank you for the help
111 [01:42:58] <sney> np
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120 [01:55:20] <zerocode> how can i install grub-efi only
121 [01:55:22] <zerocode> but there is not grub-efi cmd [pkg] in system
122 [01:55:25] <zerocode> and /boot/efi is empty
123 [01:56:18] <sney> empty, or nonexistent?
124 [01:58:32] <sney> also, grub-efi is " a dummy transitional package that depends on either grub-efi-ia32 or grub-efi-amd64" so having the former package alone doesn't tell you anything about the files on your disk
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126 [02:02:19] <zerocode> remove all is it
127 [02:02:22] <zerocode> everything
128 [02:02:31] <zerocode> just i want to install new grub-efi only
129 [02:02:58] <zerocode> only cfgs exists in /etc/default/grub and grub.d dir
130 [02:03:10] <zerocode> becouse i have changed legacy/bios to legacy/uefi
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132 [02:03:42] <zerocode> but first legacy/bios have been legacy only non-gpt
133 [02:03:46] <zerocode> but for Windows
134 [02:03:56] <zerocode> there is win10 in sda
135 [02:04:06] <zerocode> i want to install fresh grub-efi there in /dev/sda
136 [02:04:13] <zerocode> and then to run grub-mkconfig
137 [02:04:50] <zerocode> but at now there is no grub
138 [02:04:53] <zerocode> thats all
139 [02:05:06] <zerocode> and reboot will be fail
140 [02:06:04] <sney> you... migrated a legacy install to a machine that only supports efi, and you want to convert it?
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142 [02:07:24] <zerocode> it's converted
143 [02:07:33] <zerocode> only needs at now boot configuer
144 [02:07:35] <zerocode> configure
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146 [02:10:10] <zerocode> grub-install: error: /boot/efi/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory.
147 [02:11:03] <tomreyn> that's a lot more context than oyu preovided when you asked this question in #ubuntu at thew same time.
148 [02:14:12] <tomreyn> doh, sorry about my spelling.
149 [02:14:21] <zerocode> sney i think it's fixed
150 [02:14:26] <zerocode> with mount
151 [02:14:29] <sney> ok
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153 [02:14:33] <zerocode> :)
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273 [04:48:01] <alex11> does anyone know how emacs packaging in debian works? do point releases tend to upgrade the built-in packages?
274 [04:48:24] <alex11> i guess probably not
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278 [04:50:37] <sponix> alex11: people still use emacs ?
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281 [04:51:01] <joepublic> lots of people still use emacs. dozens, perhaps hundreds.
282 [04:51:38] <sponix> lol
283 [04:52:05] <sponix> my boss still uses a tape driving adding machine too
284 [04:52:17] <sponix> loves to tap around on that thing all day pretending it is important :P
285 [04:52:59] <rk4> i'd switch away from emacs if something else had as many features :)
286 [04:53:28] <joepublic> I think nasa flight control may be what you are looking for.
287 [04:54:05] <rk4> [sure it was slow in the 'eight megabytes and constantly swapping' day, but i think i can handle the RAM requirements today]
288 [04:54:12] <sponix> rk4: nothing will EVER have THAT many FEATURES lol
289 [04:54:15] <sney> I met a guy in the early 00s who claimed his rescue boot disk was just a kernel and init=/bin/emacs
290 [04:54:48] <sponix> sney: static bin of emacs -- sure, seems legit :)
291 [04:55:07] <sponix> emacs does make a GREAT OS... I just think it sucks for editing text :)
292 [04:55:10] <ryouma> dunno what one does to staticify emacs, but if you can, that sounds perfect
293 [04:56:19] <rk4> alex11: might want to check out the debian requirements for a package update to make it into stable, it's pretty stationary
294 [04:56:25] <sney> it would have been a 1.44M floppy back then, too. idk.
295 [04:56:33] <sney> I never followed up
296 [04:56:33] <ryouma> alex11: idk, but i think there is a debian project to deal with such things. presumably the packages get upgraded with emacs as necessary or desired.
297 [04:57:17] <ryouma> alex11: you can try #emacs
298 [04:57:28] <sney> debian's seems to be managed here replaced-url
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300 [05:03:46] <alex11> yikes, remind me not to ask any more emacs questions
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303 [05:04:39] <alex11> (though yeah i'm interested in emacs for just about everything but editing text)
304 [05:04:56] <alex11> (currently. that may change.)
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309 [05:07:46] <ryouma> you can ask a vi or libreoffice question on #emacs if you want. you will probalby just get the answer. :)
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312 [05:08:27] <joepublic> well, sure, both are supported within emacs, iirc
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317 [05:10:07] <zerocode> grub-install: error: /boot/efi/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory.
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323 [05:14:50] <ryouma> libreoffice is not yet supported in emacs :]
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342 [05:37:30] <alex11> GNU/Linux/Emacs Debian
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353 [05:54:18] <rk4> does the debian-live or installer cd/dvd have screen|minicom?
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358 [06:00:12] <rk4> seems my best bet might to be download and run in a VM to see :<
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431 [08:08:31] <jaami> Hi, what i should do to get mu blutooth handfree listed in the list of sound output devices?
432 [08:09:10] <sponix> jaami: try pairing it to the rig with blueman or whatever that bluetooth gui app thing is
433 [08:10:38] <jaami> it worked once but that happened by chance when i was trying different ways. i know i can do it again but that takes long time. i need to know exactly in what case it will work
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435 [08:12:51] <jaami> i am not sure what is the issue. seems like if GUI sometimes work
436 [08:13:51] <jaami> i was thinking that if someone help i can use script that always work
437 [08:14:47] <jaami> sponix, is it mandatory to push some button on handfree to make it available for pairing?
438 [08:15:28] <jaami> there are 4 buttons, Power, +, - and play
439 [08:15:52] <sponix> jaami: most devices have a "pairing mode" that either just kicks on for a few seconds when the device is power on, or by way of some button pushing etc
440 [08:16:29] <jaami> oh okay, i guess if i try i can do it.
441 [08:16:29] <sponix> jaami: and the computer has a pairing/discovery also -- again with only a certain time. So you get to play the time game to get them both going to mate up
442 [08:16:38] <sponix> Welcome to the fun of bluetooth
443 [08:16:54] <jaami> Thank you
444 [08:17:58] <rk4> i'll be honest, i plug my bluetooth things into debian with 3.5mm jack :\
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447 [08:21:36] <jaami> rk4, strange. why not USB?
448 [08:22:14] <jaami> bluetooth in my desktop is external USB like device
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451 [08:23:36] <jaami> mobile phones connect to handfree in few seconds without any issue. That is how i want my debian to connect
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455 [08:24:34] <sponix> good luck with that
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458 [08:27:31] <rk4> jaami: fair question, i started using linux 20 years ago, sound didn't work so i sat a radio next to the computer. then eventually i got sound working with OSS and i never moved past 3.5mm jacks
459 [08:28:02] <rk4> generally speaking i set low expectations for hardware working, and thus avoid frustration :)
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462 [08:38:46] <jaami> :) low expectation for hardware working mostly end up on changing device because and it happened yesterday, i bought BT 5.0 and it was not detected on old 2008 desktop. replaced it with BT 2.0 and it was detected.
463 [08:41:18] <jaami> here in local market device makers use cheap material and then stamp it with China
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472 [08:55:59] <jaami_> rk4, what OSS stand for?
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480 [09:02:06] <nkuttler> !oss
481 [09:02:07] <dpkg> rumour has it, oss is an acronym for Open Source Software, coined by Vinod Valloppillil in the first <Halloween> document. Also an acronym for Open Sound System, ask me about <oss4>; for OSS compatiblity in <ALSA>, ask me about <aoss>, <devdsp>.
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574 [10:26:21] <Alexthek1d> Hello, i sleep next to my raspberry and thought i had disabled wifi for years. But i am not sure now. How can i check the status of the wifi module per ssh?
575 [10:26:26] <Alexthek1d> i hope it is disabled :o
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578 [10:27:52] <Alexthek1d> ifconfig only shows "dummy0", "eth0" and "lo" Is that enough to know that it is disabled?
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583 [10:30:30] <Alexthek1d> 0: phy0: Wireless LAN
584 [10:30:30] <Alexthek1d> Soft blocked: yes
585 [10:30:30] <Alexthek1d> Hard blocked: no
586 [10:30:30] <Alexthek1d> 1: hci0: Bluetooth
587 [10:30:30] <Alexthek1d> Soft blocked: yes
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591 [10:30:43] <Deknos> is there a k/v database or document database software in the debian repositories?
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593 [10:30:49] <Alexthek1d> sorry didnt want to flood
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596 [10:32:26] <Alexthek1d> i think it it disabled
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598 [10:32:34] <Alexthek1d> but i can't find the entry
599 [10:32:37] <ansimita> Alexthek1d: ask over at #raspberrypi ?
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604 [10:34:28] <Alexthek1d> ok ansimita
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610 [10:36:11] <shtrb> Should there be a dbus service running on a user level for kde ?
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613 [10:36:19] <shtrb> or only system level ?
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638 [10:42:15] <rk4> Deknos: sure, there ought to be a few
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640 [10:42:31] <rk4> Deknos: eg: redis
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653 [11:01:48] <JarSs> why am I awake.
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655 [11:02:37] <wigums> cuz reasons
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665 [11:06:30] <Deknos> rk4, i always thought redis is more a persistant cache?
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667 [11:07:27] <JarSs> I was actually trying to find a privacy related channel but it's all invite only. But actually I'm supposed to be in bed. actually.
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672 [11:16:41] <rk4> Deknos: it is what you make of it, i notice replaced-url
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674 [11:17:01] <rk4> Deknos: good ol postgres can work fine as a kv store too :)
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678 [11:19:05] <rk4> Deknos: you haven't given anyone much to go on, berkeleydb ma for all we know be a fine choice
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717 [12:00:30] <eth01> hi, i've got a rather strange issue where there is a delays with my caps lock, so I get things like HEllo and PIzza or FReenode, etc - I have had the same issue now with two different keyboards, any ideas?
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725 [12:05:43] <eth01> i fixed it with this: replaced-url
726 [12:06:03] <Deknos> rk4, i thought of something like a replacement for mongodb, since that is not in current debian releases
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734 [12:11:41] <rk4> Deknos: i see, mongo doesn't exactly have the best reputation [eg: replaced-url
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739 [12:14:43] <fireba11> mongo is too hipster-tech :-D
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741 [12:16:18] <rk4> fireba11: yes but i need WEBSCALE
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744 [12:17:51] * fireba11 pokes it with a stick
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746 [12:19:15] <rk4> replaced-url
747 [12:19:16] <judd> Bug replaced-url
748 [12:19:40] <EdePopede> ,v couchdb
749 [12:19:41] <judd> No package named 'couchdb' was found in amd64.
750 [12:19:42] <Deknos> rk4, fireba11, for example greylog uses mongodb :(
751 [12:19:43] <EdePopede> hm
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753 [12:20:06] <Deknos> i would prefer if greylog uses only postgres/mariadb/mysql but since this is not the case...
754 [12:20:27] <Deknos> graylog
755 [12:21:13] <EdePopede> eth01: any idea where it comes from? i mean you fixed it, but it shouldn't happen anyway, also i don't have it though some other weird timing related behaviour
756 [12:22:10] <eth01> EdePopede: am I the only person who uses cap lock? most people seem to use shift!?
757 [12:22:23] <rk4> Deknos: wait...so you /need/ mongodb?
758 [12:22:40] <eth01> I find using shift really odd, I was taught to use caps lock, so I find it difficult to change
759 [12:23:03] <EdePopede> eth01: yea, i wasn't sure already, why... unless your keys may be broken or so. would sticky keys be a solution just in case you can only press one key at a time?
760 [12:23:05] <rk4> i use shift, and when i'm not lazy rebind capslock to ctrl
761 [12:23:33] <EdePopede> odd, you're the first person i meet saying this
762 [12:23:58] <eth01> EdePopede: I've had the same issue with two brand new keyboards both completely different brands so doubt that it is faulty, I also recall iirc having the same issue on archlinux once a few years ago
763 [12:24:08] <eth01> I must be using too up to date hardware?
764 [12:24:17] <EdePopede> heh, maybe training it on an old mechanical typewriter could help you changing should you want it *g*
765 [12:24:38] <EdePopede> it's a bit more work to lock the whole thing on them than just pressing shift ;)
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769 [12:25:45] <EdePopede> do you have something in your efi/bios where you could enter some text? (not password field, i'm sure it would only show stars)
770 [12:25:59] <EdePopede> just to get around any possible OS cause
771 [12:27:23] <eth01> good suggestion, will give it a go when I next reboot :)
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784 [12:49:37] <Deknos> rk4, no, just an example (where i currently use it with docker..) where other services which i use, use such a store. sometimes it is easier do convince developers using software, which is in a standard debian repository, when/if anyone comes up again and wanna have a nosql db in their project...
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787 [12:49:57] <Deknos> for some reason it's hard for them to imagine to use postgres for that >.<
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804 [13:12:05] <GNU\colossus> ,v mutt
805 [13:12:06] <judd> Package: mutt on amd64 -- jessie: 1.5.23-3; jessie-security: 1.5.23-3+deb8u3; stretch: 1.7.2-1+deb9u3; stretch-proposed-updates: 1.7.2-1+deb9u3; stretch-security: 1.7.2-1+deb9u3; buster-security: 1.10.1-2.1+deb10u2; buster: 1.10.1-2.1+deb10u3; bullseye: 1.14.6-1; sid: 1.14.6-1
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807 [13:12:10] <GNU\colossus> ,v neomutt
808 [13:12:11] <judd> Package: neomutt on amd64 -- buster: 20180716+dfsg.1-1+deb10u1; buster-security: 20180716+dfsg.1-1+deb10u1; bullseye: 20200626+dfsg.1-1; sid: 20200626+dfsg.1-1
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810 [13:13:06] <BCMM> where should one report file collision bugs? under whichever package changed most recently?
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813 [13:15:27] <BCMM> (also, any ideas why collisions are not just automatically detected when packages are produced by the autobuilders?)
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816 [13:18:37] <oxek> BCMM: which packages/files collide?
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820 [13:27:54] <abrotman> and whihc version of debian
821 [13:27:54] <BCMM> oxek: fonts-sil-gentiumplus and fonts-sil-gentiumplus-compact
822 [13:28:05] <BCMM> it looks like there's already a bug filed, though
823 [13:28:24] <BCMM> (reportbug is somehow better at searching for bugs than i am)
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825 [13:29:19] <oxek> reportbug can search for bugs? I didn't know. Never got reportbug working for reporting bugs.
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829 [13:31:03] <abrotman> oxek: I thought you oculdn't submit? it'll search before it gets to that part?
830 [13:32:10] <oxek> abrotman: if it searched, it probably didn't find any relevant bugs to show me and skipped that stage
831 [13:32:35] <oxek> I'll try out the search functionality of it, it looks useful - the web search for debian bugs is atrocious
832 [13:33:13] <abrotman> oxek: it shows you bugs on the package, not related to your particular issue
833 [13:34:08] <oxek> I probably remember it wrong, it was over a month ago that I last tried reportbug
834 [13:34:25] <BCMM> oxek: yeah, if there are outstanding bugs for the package name you entered, it shows them to you and asks you to check your bug isn't already there
835 [13:34:49] <abrotman> which is great when reporting a bug against a package with lots of bugs :(
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848 [14:00:09] <alex11> IMO it's almost not worth the time
849 [14:00:30] <alex11> you may as well get the bug people to merge it if the one you're submitting already is
850 [14:00:39] <alex11> nobody has time to sift through 80+ reports to avoid duplicates
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852 [14:01:41] <flayer> indeed, and that's why half of those 80+ are duplicates
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861 [14:06:08] <Lope> I want to try a new kernel on buster, what package should I select?
862 [14:06:33] <Lope> I see 4 kernels starting with: linux-image-5.8.0-0.bpo.2-
863 [14:06:48] <alex11> the architecture you're on
864 [14:06:58] <Lope> I'm on amd64
865 [14:07:04] <alex11> then it's amd64
866 [14:07:14] <Lope> There's cloud debug and non-cloud
867 [14:07:22] <Lope> then there's dbg and unsigned
868 [14:07:32] <alex11> oh. that i don't know
869 [14:07:34] <rk4> abrotman: out of curiousity, when did you first join this room? must be over a decade[?]
870 [14:07:36] <Lope> 4 amd64 kernels to choose from
871 [14:08:08] <Lope> also, I find it a bit strange that there isn't a meta package that will track the latest 5.8 kernel
872 [14:08:13] <jelly> rk4, I've seen him in here since about 2001 or so
873 [14:08:13] <Lope> or 5.7, etc.
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875 [14:08:57] <rk4> another name i recognise from years ago!
876 [14:09:09] <dvs> Lope, yes, there is a metapackage.
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878 [14:09:31] <dvs> ,v linux-image-amd64
879 [14:09:32] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u7; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u11; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u4~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u6; buster-backports: 5.7.10-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.8.10-1; sid: 5.8.10-1; experimental: 5.9~rc6-1~exp1
880 [14:09:36] <alex11> yeah just install that
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882 [14:09:49] <alex11> apt install linux-image-amd64 -t buster-backports
883 [14:10:43] <jelly> Lope, also, if any of your hardware requires non-free firmware, make sure to upgrade firmware packages to backported ones in tandem with the kernel
884 [14:10:48] <Lope> dvs, that's the old kernel.
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886 [14:11:12] <Lope> jelly, okay, will give that a go
887 [14:11:28] <Lope> jelly: cloud/non-cloud dbg/unsigned which should I use?
888 [14:11:29] <dvs> Lope, buster-backports: 5.7.10-1~bpo10+1
889 [14:11:57] <alex11> linux-image-amd64 are both metapackages (with the same name) but in buster and buster-backports they're different releases
890 [14:12:09] <jelly> Lope, do you have a VM or bare metal hardware?
891 [14:12:10] <alex11> so you specify backports with -t
892 [14:12:11] <Lope> alex11, oh wow, thanks
893 [14:12:15] <Lope> metal
894 [14:12:17] <Lope> and a VM
895 [14:12:21] <jelly> then not cloud.
896 [14:12:26] <Lope> alex: gotcha
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898 [14:12:34] <Lope> oh, so a cloud kernel is for a VM?
899 [14:12:48] <Lope> then should I choose dbg or unsigned?
900 [14:12:52] <jelly> neither
901 [14:12:54] <Lope> I'm not going to be debugging the kernel.
902 [14:13:09] <Lope> okay, I'll try the meta package.
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904 [14:14:47] <lesless> Folks, what's this error is about `The value 'buster-pgdg' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources` ? I'm trying to install PG through replaced-url
905 [14:15:02] <Lope> jelly, alex11: let's say I DO want to try the 5.8 kernel, should I choose unsigned or dbg?
906 [14:15:31] <rk4> Deknos: i'd personally nudge people towards postgres, perhaps with jsonb! but people should carefully pick their datastores, and have a copy of ddia on their desks :)
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908 [14:16:58] <Lope> what do you guys think of sid for a homelab hypervisor?
909 [14:17:03] <Lope> stable enough?
910 [14:17:46] <Lope> It seems like if it's only running a handfull of basic packages that everything should work.
911 [14:17:51] <rk4> not for my homelab, but maybe for yours
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913 [14:18:37] <Lope> sid isn't bleeding edge right, there's unstable which is the bleeding one?
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918 [14:19:06] <dvs> Lope, sid is unstable
919 [14:20:01] <Lope> what does unsigned mean, when you look at linux-image-5.7.0-0.bpo.2-amd64-unsigned
920 [14:20:30] <dvs> Lope: it means that it is not designed to work with SecureBoot
921 [14:21:15] <Lope> ok
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923 [14:23:43] <Lope> I see my nvidia and realtek are having dkms trouble, will see if there are newer packages
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931 [14:29:12] <Lope> brb
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934 [14:33:14] <BCMM> lesless: any chance you have something weird in /etc/apt/preferences?
935 [14:33:40] <lesless> It's a GCloud VM - weird is their mother's name
936 [14:35:08] <j`ey> is there a particular way to start systemd-timesyncd.service ? or something else I should be using on debian?
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938 [14:35:20] <j`ey> I 'systemctl start'd it, but it doesnt show in status
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940 [14:36:34] <Lope> my USB keyboard etc doesn't work with the 5.8 kernel. I've got a Z87 chipset.
941 [14:36:42] <Lope> Haswell i5 4th gen
942 [14:37:32] <Lope> Is there some sort of USB DKMS thing that I need lol?
943 [14:37:48] <Lope> I've never been aware of such a thing.
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947 [14:39:09] <Lope> looks like maybe a usb bug in 5.8 replaced-url
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949 [14:42:54] <Lope> Think I'm having a blonde moment, I accidentally installed the cloud kernel hahahaha
950 [14:43:12] <Lope> No wonder USB didn't work.
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958 [14:48:01] <Lope> brb
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963 [14:51:57] <Lope> okay, everything works on 5.8. USB, Nvidia, ethernet, zfs, usb audio, webcam, etc.
964 [14:53:12] <rk4> is this still your homelab hypervisor
965 [14:53:21] <Lope> yep
966 [14:53:33] <Lope> Not going to hassle with upgrading to sid for now
967 [14:53:45] <Lope> it's much easier to "try a kernel" than upgrade to sid.
968 [14:53:53] <Lope> if you need to roll back.
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970 [14:54:29] <Lope> just thought I'd try 5.8 because yolo
971 [14:56:09] <abrotman> rk4: roughly 20 years ago, maybe 18? it's been a long time :)
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974 [14:58:00] <rk4> i like the stability of freenode/irc, everything else changed, iterated through different chat protocols, but here we still are :>
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976 [14:58:37] <abrotman> rk4: debstats first records me Nov 2003. (It only goes back to January 2003)
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979 [15:00:10] <abrotman> Heh, looking at debstats, in Dec 2003, I'm recorded as saying: "i'd like to know how greycat seems to never flip out on anyone"
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984 [15:02:07] <joepublic> It's the plonk method. super-liberating.
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987 [15:03:02] <EdePopede> accumulating?
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1011 [15:25:17] <judd> Package: thunderbird on amd64 -- jessie: 1:52.8.0-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:68.9.0-1~deb8u2; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:68.9.0-1~deb9u1; stretch: 1:68.10.0-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 1:68.10.0-1~deb9u1; buster: 1:68.12.0-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 1:68.12.0-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 1:68.12.0-1; sid: 1:78.3.1-2
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1096 [17:03:15] <jmd> Can anyone recommend a standalone tool to verify html ?
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1099 [17:06:05] <JPT> jmd: Not sure if that tool can accomplish what you want, but i found this: replaced-url
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1108 [17:12:36] <jmd> JPT: The web page looks promising. Sadly it's not in debian :(
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1111 [17:13:18] <JPT> I didn't expect to find any tools at all. Afaik, only XHTML can be properly validated against its XML schema.
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1182 [18:14:28] <lt> modprobe: FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel is in use.
1183 [18:14:47] <lt> how to remove and reload snd_hda_intel ?
1184 [18:15:21] <lt> which in fact not in use by any application, maybe by other modules
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1187 [18:17:48] <sney> if you do 'lsmod |grep snd' you will see the sound modules loaded and which are dependent on each other
1188 [18:18:41] <sney> why are you trying to unload snd_hda_intel?
1189 [18:19:13] <antto> ,v kicad
1190 [18:19:15] <judd> Package: kicad on amd64 -- jessie: 0.20140622+bzr4027-3; stretch: 4.0.5+dfsg1-4; stretch-backports: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1; stretch-backports-sloppy: 5.1.6+dfsg1-1~bpo9+1; buster-backports: 5.1.6+dfsg1-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.1.7+dfsg1-1; sid: 5.1.7+dfsg1-1
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1202 [18:24:27] <lt> sney: the sound is breaking up while I'm playnig music
1203 [18:25:27] <lt> sney: dell laptop sound card proved to be very problematic combination with debian
1204 [18:25:44] <lt> all issues specially when insert and/or eject headsets
1205 [18:26:02] <lt> everytime I must go alsamixer enable bla bla bla etc..
1206 [18:27:00] <sney> if you're using alsamixer, it sounds like you already disabled pulse?
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1211 [18:31:47] <sney> pulseaudio can cause some of the issues you describe, particularly replaced-url
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1242 [19:26:03] <lt> sney: I'm not sure how to use/disable/enable pulseaudio.. never understood it
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1250 [19:31:37] <lt> besides all crapy hessing I get into the headsets
1251 [19:31:43] <lt> :(( off
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1262 [19:39:45] <akp55_> hello, i am trying to use podman to run a postgres container. i want to be able to give it a local directory to use for storage, but i am having trouble understanding how to map my user to the container user. i've read the containers on arch for podman and lxc (as suggested by some people here), but it feels like the subuid and subgid aren't really explained
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1266 [19:42:44] <nkuttler> akp55: you probably want #podman
1267 [19:42:56] <akp55> i've tried there for about 2 weeks now
1268 [19:43:27] <akp55> they just ignore my question
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1270 [19:46:25] <nkuttler> akp55: not familiar with podman, but in docker i always build the container app env with the host user id
1271 [19:46:45] <akp55> i'm using a bitnami postgresql
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1287 [20:25:45] <tramplefoot> this might not be the best channel to ask this but
1288 [20:26:01] <tramplefoot> is there a freedoom equivalent for hexen or heretic?
1289 [20:26:40] <tramplefoot> like a DFSG-conform clone of any id Software game
1290 [20:28:11] <EdePopede> tramplefoot: i found some packages, let me look
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1292 [20:28:25] <sney> there are a few dfsg doom engines
1293 [20:28:51] <sney> some of the original DOOM wads are available in non-free, too
1294 [20:28:53] <tramplefoot> well id's own engine is also dfsg-conform
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1296 [20:29:01] <EdePopede> tramplefoot: atm the menu button i created contains some Chocolate $Game entries, then prboom, FreeDM, FreeDoom
1297 [20:29:01] <tramplefoot> im lookin for wads mostly
1298 [20:29:11] <sney> ,i doom-wad-shareware
1299 [20:29:14] <judd> Package doom-wad-shareware (non-free/games, optional) in buster/amd64: Shareware game files for the 3D game Doom. Version: 1.9.fixed-2; Size: 1714.7k; Installed: 4148k
1300 [20:29:30] <EdePopede> aren't there also TONS of user-created WADs?
1301 [20:29:42] <sney> yes. dunno if any are in the archive
1302 [20:29:45] <tramplefoot> those are mostly pwads
1303 [20:30:00] <tramplefoot> they modify the game only
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1305 [20:30:09] <tramplefoot> im looking for a full conversion like freedoom
1306 [20:30:17] <tramplefoot> you don't need shareware doom to play freedoom
1307 [20:30:49] <tramplefoot> openarena is basically freedoom for quake 3 for example
1308 [20:30:53] <tramplefoot> ,i openarena
1309 [20:30:54] <judd> Package openarena (games, optional) in buster/amd64: fast-paced 3D first-person shooter. Version: 0.8.8+dfsg-2; Size: 941.4k; Installed: 4874k; Homepage: replaced-url
1310 [20:31:29] <jmcnaught> Did you look at the doomsday and uhexen2 packages?
1311 [20:31:40] <EdePopede> iirc the full WADs are the lincensed thing with the shareware versions being OK, while the engine is GPL'd now but not including the original sound code
1312 [20:32:00] <tramplefoot> ,i uhexen2
1313 [20:32:01] <judd> Package uhexen2 (contrib/games, optional) in buster/amd64: Hexen II - engine package. Version: 1.5.9+dfsg-1; Size: 954.7k; Installed: 3533k; Homepage: replaced-url
1314 [20:32:07] <tramplefoot> thats in contrib, alright
1315 [20:32:17] <tramplefoot> that doesn't supply any data files though, right?
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1317 [20:33:12] <tramplefoot> oh darnit
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1319 [20:33:34] <jmcnaught> There is a uhexen2-common package too, it has some files in a maps directory but I don't see any wad files
1320 [20:33:41] <tramplefoot> there was a project for a floss hexen clone
1321 [20:33:48] <tramplefoot> and even a floss heretic clone
1322 [20:34:03] <tramplefoot> very creatively named zauberer and blasphemer
1323 [20:34:12] <tramplefoot> both of them were discontinued
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1339 [20:41:50] <Lope> I did some testing with the 5.8 kernel on buster with KDE desktop
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1341 [20:42:00] <Lope> am I supposed to run a backported version of KDE?
1342 [20:42:07] <alex11> kde isn't backported
1343 [20:42:09] <alex11> ever
1344 [20:42:30] <Lope> Because it worked fine, but when I let the PC idle for a long time and came back, I had an old-style X window saying that dbus couldn't synchronize with whatever.
1345 [20:42:40] <Lope> And basically I had to restart the sddm service.
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1348 [20:43:00] <Lope> Not the end of the world, but not really stable.
1349 [20:43:24] <Lope> So, I'm trying the backport linux-image-amd64 5.7 kernel now.
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1351 [20:43:55] <Lope> I was using it with the backported nvidia driver.
1352 [20:44:09] <alex11> is there any reason you need a newer kernel or are you just testing
1353 [20:44:19] <Lope> just testing / yolo
1354 [20:44:20] <alex11> backports are provided as a as-needed thing
1355 [20:44:32] <Lope> I've read that 5.8 has "better performance"
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1357 [20:44:37] <alex11> most people will find the software in Stable suitable
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1359 [20:44:40] <Lope> I see better performance, I press enter.
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1361 [20:46:23] <alex11> some components of kde are backported but no, it's too big to backport itself
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1363 [20:46:45] <alex11> your dbus error thing is a kernel issue, not a "i have the wrong kde version"... probably
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1368 [20:53:30] <Lope> Yeah I saw other people posting about the same dbus sync error with KDE on 5.8 in arch-linux.
1369 [20:53:45] <Lope> So I think you're likely right about it being a kernel issue.
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1372 [20:54:26] <Lope> On the other hand I put 5.8 kernel with KDE on my laptop, but that's using the kernel's built in open source nvidia driver.
1373 [20:54:45] <Lope> I let that idle for the same period and that didn't give the dbus sync error.
1374 [20:54:55] <Lope> Obviously a not conclusive test.
1375 [20:55:02] <Lope> #JustSaying.
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1377 [20:55:24] <Lope> ratrace, have you tried btrfs?
1378 [20:56:03] <Lope> I was wondering if I could use btrfs instead of ZFS for a mirror storage server.
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1380 [20:56:17] <Lope> Currently the storage server has a 3 disk mirror with ZFS
1381 [20:56:32] <Lope> I see btrfs doesn't support 3 disk mirrors.
1382 [20:56:49] <Lope> in the sense of making 3 copies of the data.
1383 [20:58:28] <sney> afaik btrfs and zfs are pretty comparable. if you were making a new deployment and wanted to have cow fs features without any out-of-tree license shenanigans, it'd make sense to go btrfs.
1384 [20:58:40] <sney> but it doesn't make much sense to switch if you're already using one in production.
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1386 [21:00:22] <EdePopede> from journalctl(1): "When outputting to a tty, lines are colored according to priority". but less leaves back the mess on the screen when used by it. so ofc `--no-pager`. but then the colors aren't used. seems to not have an option similar to --color=always?
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1394 [21:04:10] <jmcnaught> EdePopede: journalctl(1) also talks about the $SYSTEMD_LESS environment variable to override options passed to less.
1395 [21:05:04] <EdePopede> jmcnaught: i can use -R with less (which i usually do), it's journalctl not outputting any color codes into pipes
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1402 [21:08:07] <EdePopede> jmcnaught: thus the "--color" above. works nice for `ls`, but here i don't see anything
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1435 [21:46:32] <GenTooMan> I updated Debian buster and got this somewhat strange result replaced-url
1436 [21:48:10] <sponix> GenTooMan: Drive is FULL -- main thing you need to see -> gzip: stdout: No space left on device
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1438 [21:49:53] <sney> specifically, /boot is full. this can happen on systems with a separate /boot where extra kernels are being used.
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1440 [21:50:31] <sponix> sney: good catch
1441 [21:50:38] <sney> it's occasionally possible for debian to get into this state with the default /boot size suggested by partman when using LUKS. but usually it's because there's some custom tomfoolery going on
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1445 [21:56:16] <GenTooMan> hmm separate boot partition OK 245megs
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1447 [21:58:08] <GenTooMan> I can just delete kernel versions from the original install then without issue I assume
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1449 [21:58:27] <GenTooMan> IE 0-5 0-7 0-8 0-9 ...
1450 [21:58:43] <sney> yes, remove at least one older kernel that you are not currently using.
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1452 [21:58:51] <sney> 'apt autoremove' may do this for you.
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1469 [22:07:13] <GenTooMan> so the nouveau warnings are a non issue then?
1470 [22:07:30] <sney> !warning
1471 [22:07:30] <dpkg> Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy.
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1473 [22:07:44] <sney> they're only a problem if you have video issues on nvidia hardware
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1486 [22:16:59] <GenTooMan> so finished kernel update then did apt-get -t buster-backports install firmware-misc-nonfree
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1547 [23:21:00] <oxek> Is there a tool in debian that can do NTS? replaced-url
1548 [23:21:09] <oxek> I mean for one-off updates
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1562 [23:30:35] <rander2> hello
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1566 [23:34:16] <jhutchins> oxek: The security protocols built into NTP are pretty solid.
1567 [23:34:22] <hop> oxek: ntpdig in ntpsec?
1568 [23:35:05] <hop> there's even an ntpsec-ntpdate package
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1577 [23:41:09] <oxek> I'm already using ntpdig, it has NTS support?
1578 [23:45:04] <hop> oxek: as far as i'm aware ntpdig only exists in ntpsec, so…
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