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• 21[00:16:41] <karlpinc> Any recommendations for wiki software? I usually use moinmoin, and occasionally mediawiki. Are there others that deserve attention?
• 22[00:17:44] <sney> depends on what you're doing with it. I recently started using bookstack for personal stuff
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• 25[00:20:17] <Aurora_v_kosmose> ikiwiki had some nice features if you want something vcs-backed.
• 26[00:20:32] <karlpinc> sney: Yes, it all depends. I'll look at bookstack. What I want is something simple limited to "local" users, but with a permission system just in case I need it for the future.
• 27[00:20:36] <Aurora_v_kosmose> It also supports web-ui editing.
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• 29[00:21:02] <Aurora_v_kosmose> Fossil could be used similarly, but quite visibly isn't intended for it.
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• 33[00:21:39] <karlpinc> Aurora_v_kosmose: Aren't all wiki's vcs-backed?
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• 36[00:22:55] <sney> they have vcs-like behavior, at any rate
• 37[00:23:16] <Aurora_v_kosmose> I suppose in a way they are, though in this case I meant git & svn.
• 38[00:23:53] <karlpinc> Humm. I wonder what's good about that....
• 39[00:24:11] <Aurora_v_kosmose> Greatly facilitated deployment & backup.
• 40[00:24:46] <sney> bookstack is what I went to when I was having trouble adjusting to git with a directory full of arbitrary text files. php and sql through a web interface, because writer brain doesn't want to do technical stuff
• 41[00:25:51] <karlpinc> Humm. Bookstack does not seem to be packaged for debian....
• 42[00:28:14] <sney> it's a pretty straightforward php/mysql beast so you install nginx,mariadb,and php7 from debian, then throw bookstack into a webroot and go
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• 44[00:29:41] <sney> though the more I come to rely on it, the more I think I could ITP it.
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• 47[00:32:18] <karlpinc> I think I'm going to avoid a "real db", unless it's sqlite. ikiwiki is looking kind of attractive. But I need to rtrm and see what sort of permission system it has.
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• 50[00:34:58] <karlpinc> Although as a down-side ikiwiki seems to use google for its search box.
• 51[00:35:15] <sney> I'd imagine that's switchable
• 52[00:35:48] <karlpinc> I've a feeling there's plugins. The problem is finding them....
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• 55[00:37:08] <Aurora_v_kosmose> I'd probably just rewire the POST from google to duckduckgo
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• 57[00:38:55] <karlpinc> The wiki won't be on the web at all.
• 58[00:39:16] <somiaj> might also depend on if you want to use or build your own setup (and if you want web based ability to add pages).
• 59[00:39:18] <Aurora_v_kosmose> Ah... that makes it more complicated.
• 60[00:39:24] <karlpinc> The debian package does suggest libsearch-xapian-perl, but who knows....
• 61[00:39:36] <Aurora_v_kosmose> I only know xapian for mu.
• 62[00:39:41] <somiaj> The last wiki I wrote just used jekyll and markdown
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• 66[00:41:19] <karlpinc> And I'm not seeing anything that allows setting permissions on pages.
• 67[00:45:01] <Aurora_v_kosmose> Hm, that's problematic.
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• 70[00:45:11] <warsoul> after 8 hours without using pc when i turn monitor on
• 71[00:45:24] <warsoul> mouse/keyboard not working
• 72[00:45:30] <Aurora_v_kosmose> rip
• 73[00:45:39] <warsoul> but F1-F9 works
• 74[00:45:42] <warsoul> mouse moves
• 75[00:45:54] <warsoul> when scroll down and up
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• 77[00:45:58] <warsoul> it zooms in and out
• 78[00:46:30] <sney> are your keyboard and mouse connected through a usb hub?
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• 80[00:46:57] <warsoul> yes
• 81[00:47:17] <sney> are you also turning the hub off and on?
• 82[00:47:27] <warsoul> no
• 83[00:47:36] <warsoul> i leave my pc on
• 84[00:47:43] <warsoul> just torn off/on my monitor
• 85[00:47:46] <sney> nah, that would have been too easy. still it's probably the hub.
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• 87[00:48:39] <warsoul> have to restart pc to solve problem
• 88[00:48:40] <warsoul> :s
• 89[00:48:53] <karlpinc> Yeah, there's a "search" plugin for ikiwiki.
• 90[00:48:54] <Ede|Popede> scroll to zoom, isn't this using a modifier key usually?
• 91[00:49:11] <Aurora_v_kosmose> USB low-power mode is managed by bios, right?
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• 94[00:51:05] <warsoul> how can i solve this problem?
• 95[00:51:24] <Aurora_v_kosmose> warsoul: I would make another attempt with the devices connected directly, rather than through a hub.
• 96[00:51:28] <sney> ^
• 97[00:51:43] <warsoul> is connected directly to the usb prot
• 98[00:51:45] <warsoul> port
• 99[00:51:46] <warsoul> sorry
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• 101[00:52:15] <Aurora_v_kosmose> No hub?
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• 103[00:52:29] <Aurora_v_kosmose> Do you get any error messages in your syslog?
• 104[00:52:33] <sney> warsoul: do you think the monitor is involved somehow? or is that just how you know it's been a long time?
• 105[00:53:03] <warsoul> because i leave to work at 7am and come back home at 5pm :p
• 106[00:53:15] <warsoul> havent check syslog
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• 108[00:53:30] <Aurora_v_kosmose> It may be worth taking a look.
• 109[00:53:43] <warsoul> ok
• 110[00:53:47] <warsoul> where i check it
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• 112[00:54:10] <sney> journalctl
• 113[00:54:11] <Aurora_v_kosmose> I had a buggy KVM switch that occasionally crash & brought xorg right along for the ride because of a hardware interupt.
• 114[00:54:30] <Aurora_v_kosmose> *crashed
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• 116[00:54:47] <warsoul> how i check syslog
• 117[00:55:01] <another> less /var/log/syslog
• 118[00:55:19] <sney> but really, use journalctl because it aggregates multiple logs in one spot
• 119[00:56:13] <Aurora_v_kosmose> You can probably use journalctl too, I'm just used to when syslog was still the standard thing.
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• 121[00:59:07] <warsoul> replaced-url
• 122[01:00:10] <sney> nothing there really
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• 124[01:00:27] <Aurora_v_kosmose> dmesg?
• 125[01:00:29] <sney> might be something useful in the xorg log
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• 127[01:01:19] <somiaj> the keyboard is usb? Could you unplug it and back in, or does that not change anything?
• 128[01:01:40] <warsoul> after i restart pc
• 129[01:01:43] <warsoul> everything works normal
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• 131[01:03:48] <somiaj> I dind't say restart, I said unplug and replug back in the usb keyboard, that should trigger udev to reassign the keyboard.
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• 134[01:04:27] <warsoul> im going to try that when happen again
• 135[01:05:22] <warsoul> right now is working normal
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• 141[01:09:24] <Aurora_v_kosmose> warsoul: Any errors in dmesg?
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• 145[01:14:09] <warsoul> how i check dmesg
• 146[01:14:10] <warsoul> ?
• 147[01:14:24] <Aurora_v_kosmose> sudo dmesg | less
• 148[01:15:14] <warsoul> how i copy that to termbin
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• 150[01:16:10] <sney> pipe it there like anything else
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• 152[01:16:30] <sney> without 'less' ofc since that's just for your local benefit
• 153[01:16:50] <warsoul> cat dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
• 154[01:16:52] <warsoul> like that?
• 155[01:17:01] <dvs> ...
• 156[01:17:01] <sney> dmesg is a command, so you don't need to cat it.
• 157[01:17:19] <sney> though maybe you should look at it yourself first, before asking us to check. most linux errors are human-readable. you might find a clue that helps you understand this better.
• 158[01:18:07] <warsoul> replaced-url
• 159[01:18:50] <another> dmesg -H
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• 161[01:21:12] <sney> gaming keyboard model names are so funny. ASUSTEK TUF
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• 164[01:21:58] <dvs> TUF isn't just for keyboards but yeah
• 165[01:22:01] <sney> but generally, this all looks pretty normal. with a 9th gen intel cpu, maybe? try a backports kernel? but that's more a guess than anything
• 166[01:22:30] <sney> dvs: knowing asus they've used that brand for a lot of stuff, but in the context of this paste it's the keyboard
• 167[01:23:15] * dvs wants a tuft of motherboard
• 168[01:23:55] <another> isn't that their "gaming" brand?
• 169[01:24:37] <dvs> yup
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• 175[01:26:32] <sney> gotta really pronounce the F in TUF. FFFFF
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• 178[01:29:04] <somiaj> warsoul: we would probably need to see demsg from a previous boot that the keyboard stopped working to look for errors around that time.
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• 196[01:42:21] <Whyvn> is it possible to use NewRequest to Post a form that was submited to the local server, to validate that info and then send the form data to a remote server? My main concern is being able to send the FormFile with the NewRequest. Can you construct a blank form dynamically with golang? similar to FormData? Should I just process the requst with javascript and make a new xhttp request?
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• 199[01:42:58] <warsoul> somiaj ok i will do it when the error occurs again
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• 201[01:43:34] <somiaj> warsoul: you can't do it afeter you reboot, unless you enable persisant journaling then use journalctl
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• 203[01:44:20] <warsoul> ok
• 204[01:44:32] <warsoul> going to try opening a terminal
• 205[01:44:35] <warsoul> when it occurs again
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• 213[01:59:52] <nvz> if you're using X you may also want to check the xlog
• 214[02:00:05] <nvz> which is persistent by default
• 215[02:01:18] <nvz> because x related input issues wont show up in kernel, but kernel related ones /may/ be evident in the xlog
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• 218[02:02:47] <nvz> you also wanna try swtiching the vt, like ctrl+alt+f1 when this occurs
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• 221[02:03:16] <nvz> I got a machine here that sometimes when changing docking modes it shows a blank screen until I switch to tty1 and back
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• 256[02:43:58] <SerajewelKS> what's the rationale for enabling the discard mount option on / on the debian-cloud images?
• 257[02:44:23] <SerajewelKS> my understanding is that most trim operations are too small for thin-provisioning to be able to use them; the recommendation is to instead fstrim on a schedule
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• 259[02:45:28] <sney> to my knowledge, debian doesn't directly distribute any cloud images, though there are some semi-unofficial ones maintained by individual DDs. which are you looking at specifically?
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• 261[02:46:04] <SerajewelKS> these images: replaced-url
• 262[02:46:34] <SerajewelKS> specifically this line, which has been there since the beginning: replaced-url
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• 266[02:47:53] <sney> well, that's a gap in my knowledge clearly caused by not using any of the amazon ecosystem, heh.
• 267[02:48:06] <JordiGH> What was that bot command to see if a backport was easy? I want to check firefox-esr
• 268[02:48:07] <sney> I would send a mail to their list.
• 269[02:48:16] <JordiGH> (It's probably not easy, but I still want to check)
• 270[02:48:17] <sney> JordiGH: checkbackport, and it's a judd command
• 271[02:48:33] <JordiGH> judd: checkbaport firefox-esr
• 272[02:48:37] <JordiGH> judd: checkbackport firefox-esr
• 273[02:48:38] <judd> Backporting package firefox-esr in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libnspr4-dev (>= 2:4.25~), libnss3-dev (>= 2:3.53.1~), libvpx-dev (>= 1.8.0), rustc (>= 1.41), cargo (>= 0.42), cbindgen (>= 0.14.1).
• 274[02:48:48] <JordiGH> Oh, right, rust.
• 275[02:48:51] <JordiGH> Blegh.
• 276[02:49:04] <JordiGH> We're probably still almost a year away from a new Debian, aren't we?
• 277[02:49:16] <SerajewelKS> yeah, i guess asking the list should have been my first idea :)
• 278[02:49:30] <SerajewelKS> oh they have an IRC channel as well
• 279[02:49:35] <JordiGH> Maybe I should download a Firefox before the company disappears and Chrome is our only option.
• 280[02:50:17] <sney> the usual pattern would have debian 11 coming out in August-ish of 2021, but Covid probably slowed some things down. still, a year and change but not much more, is my guess.
• 281[02:50:57] <JordiGH> I kind of wonder if covid wouldn't have sped things up for online-only computer nerds.
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• 284[02:51:28] <JordiGH> I guess if the whole economy suffers so does the income of online-only computer nerds, hence the Debian release schedule.
• 285[02:52:25] <sney> yes, and a lot of debian developers are students or teachers in the academic system, and that had a lot of real-world events
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• 301[03:12:04] <themill> JordiGH: there will be a new firefox-esr hitting stable soonish; all the updated rust toolchain is being backported to the security repo to make that possible
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• 303[03:12:33] <dvs> O_O
• 304[03:13:16] <JordiGH> themill: Soonish in Debian terms is like six months... which is nice.
• 305[03:13:52] <JordiGH> Seriously, is anyone else freaked out that this may be the year that Firefox completely dies and Chrome will be our only option?
• 306[03:14:15] <JordiGH> Chrome with the crippled adblock and impenetrable embedded Google panopticon?
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• 309[03:19:04] <sney> on that topic, chrome upstream is refusing to let go to a python2 dependency. debian has a compromise set of python2-* packages to deal with that in the short term, but between mozilla and google hubris, it's easy to wonder if we'll have any browsers at all a year from now
• 310[03:19:08] <themill> "soonish" probably means the next time there is a CVE for firefox, actually (I can't remember where we are in the overlap between ESRs)
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• 314[03:22:28] <sney> reasonable estimates for firefox 78 esr in buster are October or so, judging by general movement in the mailing lists and elsewhere
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• 317[03:24:16] <JordiGH> Shpeak sonny, I can't hear ya
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• 321[03:26:13] <warsoul> somiaj it happen again
• 322[03:26:15] <sney> fine: Edge, which replaced Internet Explorer, is based on Chromium's renderer anyway. Wouldn't it be funny if Mozilla and Google mis-management of their own browsers' development overlapped with MS open sourcing their own browser and releasing it for all platforms?
• 323[03:26:25] <warsoul> unplugged mouse usb plugged back in
• 324[03:26:29] <warsoul> and is working
• 325[03:26:33] <sney> "Mr. Gates Sir, everyone is using IE and this time it's by choice"
• 326[03:26:53] <sney> warsoul: and the keyboard?
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• 328[03:27:05] <warsoul> working
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• 330[03:27:17] <sney> nice! I recommend getting a usb hub.
• 331[03:27:24] <sney> and turning it off/on with your monitor.
• 332[03:27:45] <warsoul> weird
• 333[03:27:49] <warsoul> this never happen before
• 334[03:27:50] <warsoul> :P
• 335[03:28:09] <sney> "this worked before" is what everyone says during troubleshooting, it's basically meaningless :P
• 336[03:28:32] <sney> try a backport kernel, and otherwise treat it as a hardware problem
• 337[03:28:42] <JordiGH> Do you guys know about any free software for learning piano?
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• 340[03:29:33] <sney> for learning? not really. there are various audio/midi things for using a piano keyboard in a linux environment though
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• 342[03:30:17] <sney> for learning, get a real wooden piano for free from $(local classifieds website) and pay a local broke musician to teach you
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• 345[03:34:16] <JordiGH> Hm, maybe this? replaced-url
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• 357[03:46:50] <JordiGH> No, this: replaced-url
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• 417[04:59:05] <backupluis> Hi, Im a debian user but not an expert, I have some problems with atp upgrade, for brave-browser and virtualbox, both tell me the same error about unmet dependencies: libcurl4 : Conflicts: libcurl3 but 7.52.1-5+deb9u11 is to be installed, searching on the net found no solutions, just a bug from 2018 closed in some debian bug list.
• 418[05:00:01] <sponix> backupluis: are you on Debian 10 ?
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• 420[05:00:41] <backupluis> sponix: Yes
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• 422[05:02:34] <sponix> backupluis: what version of vbox ? And is it coming from the virtualbox.org repo ?
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• 428[05:06:43] <andypoenas> hola senor and senorita. anyone who need Tor bridge for personal use? free stuffs. tor bridge is good mix with GNUnet. Private message me if interest.
• 429[05:06:45] <backupluis> sponix: I have v6.1.8 installed, Repo: replaced-url
• 430[05:07:12] <sponix> black: Debian "10" is "Buster" -- Not "Stretch"
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• 432[05:07:46] <backupluis> sponix: Yes, I know, but didn't know to change that in my source.list
• 433[05:07:50] <backupluis> let me try
• 434[05:07:59] <sponix> black: so if on Debian 10 buster, you need to change that line from stretch to buster and then -- apt update again
• 435[05:08:22] <sponix> black: after that it should make use of the vbox that only requires libcurl4 -- no 3
• 436[05:08:38] <sponix> Take it his is an upgrade from 9 to 10 recently ?
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• 438[05:10:01] <backupluis> I've upgrade some time ago when the system tell me to upgrage, I never check source.list thinking that the same upgrade will change everything, heheee.
• 439[05:10:23] <backupluis> But that line was added by myself, so, Im the one who have to change it
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• 441[05:11:44] <sponix> backupluis: yes, probably need to have a look at the others also for brave or whatever
• 442[05:12:01] <backupluis> sponix: it's upgrading atm
• 443[05:12:11] <sponix> glad to hear it
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• 445[05:12:22] <backupluis> sponix: yes, I've check them all and was the only one with strech
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• 451[05:16:40] <sponix> backupluis: good to hear you have it sorted out now
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• 454[05:18:25] <backupluis> sponix: both upgraded well, thank for your help, a new thing learned about linux. Thanks!!!
• 455[05:19:03] <sponix> backupluis: I just thought it was odd to be requesting libcurl3 stuff when my Debian 10 base doesn't even have 3 at all -- Just version 4
• 456[05:20:03] <backupluis> sponix: I star with this machine with debian 7, a long time ago
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• 530[06:45:43] <pri443> hi guys trying to solve a problem for someone, i think its a grub issue based on what google is returning to my search string the error is happening on a tails usb(debian based i assume) i have very little to go on and will ask for more when i can next speak to them-error thrown is 'reloc offset is out of the segment' none of the solutions i find pertain to tails but since its debian based i suppose i can follow fixing grub(what ever version tails uses)
• 531[06:46:06] <sney> tails isn't supported in here. also, use more periods.
• 532[06:46:07] <sney> !tails
• 533[06:46:08] <dpkg> Tails (The Amnesic Incognito Live System) is a live DVD/USB <based on Debian>, with the aim of preserving privacy and anonymity. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
• 534[06:46:19] <pri443> fair point
• 535[06:46:38] <pri443> and thank you
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• 580[07:13:56] <pri443> rofl the only ppl in ##tails are asleep lurking or have no idea what grub is lols. of to the land of rtfm thanks for the link sney
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• 582[07:15:46] <sney> pri443: welcome to the world of tiny derivatives, where they never considered the support burden. if you can reproduce the error on a debian system (including a live env) then we can dig into it here. I'll probably sleep soon but there are a lot of qualified idlers in #debian.
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• 628[08:10:30] <pri443> much appreciated sney its okay i like digging for treasure and am in no great rush, thank you so very much for the kind offer legend =)
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• 633[08:14:26] <pri443> much appreciated sney, its okay. I like digging for treasure, im in no rush. Thank you so very much for the kind offer, legend! [this grammar thing is going to be an uphill battle =)]
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• 669[08:44:24] <Logg> Why does the half star glyph in ttf-unifont look so awful? It looks like something I drew when I was 4 years old and first learning how to draw a star. It's not even symmetrical replaced-url
• 670[08:45:11] <Logg> Is this a bug in ttf-unifont, or am I using it wrong?
• 671[08:45:23] <sney> unifont is pretty ugly. it tries to have a glyph for every single possible symbol, and aesthetics suffer as a result
• 672[08:46:04] <Logg> Is there a better alternative?
• 673[08:46:11] <sney> it's good to have unifont installed so you don't see legos. it's a good baseline.
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• 675[08:46:59] <sney> depending on what you're looking for, there are lots of alternatives! 'apt list fonts*' and something will probably appeal to you
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• 677[08:47:33] <Logg> Looking for a font that will correctly render the half-star glyph which was added in Unicode 11.0 in 2018.
• 678[08:48:05] <sney> paste it here
• 679[08:48:17] <Logg> ⯪
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• 682[08:50:49] <sney> looks like unifont, here. nuts.
• 683[08:52:12] <Logg> I'm baffled man. I appreciate the person who took the time to implement all those glyphs, but if there is no better alternative 2 years after release of the standard, ...
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• 685[08:52:59] <sney> there probably is one. I don't know of it, but there's a lot of work in between standard issue monospace and GNU Unifont.
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• 687[08:53:17] <sney> start with other spaces that use that symbol
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• 736[09:37:26] <jelly> replaced-url
• 737[09:37:35] <jelly> says a (newer) Symbola has it
• 738[09:37:49] <jelly> ,v fonts-symbola
• 739[09:37:50] <judd> Package: fonts-symbola on amd64 -- stretch: 2.59-1; bullseye: 2.60-1; buster: 2.60-1; sid: 2.60-1
• 740[09:38:35] <macc24> ,v libegl-mesa0
• 741[09:38:37] <judd> Package: libegl-mesa0 on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 18.2.8-2~bpo9+1; buster: 18.3.6-2+deb10u1; bullseye: 20.1.7-1; sid: 20.1.7-1; experimental: 20.2.0~rc4-1
• 742[09:38:40] <macc24> huh
• 743[09:38:49] <oxek> yes, symbola should have it
• 744[09:38:53] <Unit193> #897047
• 745[09:38:54] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 746[09:38:55] <jelly> replaced-url
• 747[09:39:28] <jelly> > Free use of UFAS is strictly limited to personal use.
• 748[09:39:29] <Unit193> I packaged a newer version of that for myself, though. :3
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• 752[09:40:26] <oxek> well that's bad news that newer symbola cannot be packaged in debian
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• 756[09:41:34] <jelly> I'd downloaded it from the author before, then it was in Debian for a bit, I guess I'll keep downloading from author again
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• 758[09:42:02] <jelly> > Commercial or educat[i]onal use of ufas is not permited.
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• 761[09:42:37] <oxek> what would be a good alternative font to symbola, packaged in debian?
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• 763[09:42:50] <oxek> or could symbola be packaged as non-free?
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• 768[09:46:48] <jelly> says nothing about redistribution
• 769[09:47:14] <jelly> but non-free is not part of Debian
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• 775[09:56:07] <Logg> ah jeez. that's so sad
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• 777[09:56:18] <jelly> yep, the glyph appeared in my hexchat after unpacking Symbola.otf in ~/.fonts/
• 778[09:57:37] <Logg> Yeah, I already had the version of symbola packaged in Debian. Good to know symbola is now nonfree. :(
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• 780[10:00:36] <gryffus> Hello, is there a guide on what to do as a first steps after installing Tomcat? I am new to it, but I guess I should seet some roles / users in /etc/tomcat9/tomcat-users.xml. What else? Are there some sane secure defaults to be set?
• 781[10:01:30] <oxek> jelly: .otf? Isn't it a truetype font?
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• 796[10:06:08] <jelly> the latest version is oft
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• 804[10:11:15] <gryffus> /usr/share/doc/tomcat9-common/README.Debian is my answer. Thanks :)
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• 811[10:14:37] <kristijonas> "Error: JavaFX runtime components are missing, and are required to run this application"
• 812[10:15:16] <kristijonas> openjfx is already the newest version (11.0.2+1-1).
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• 829[10:35:17] <godSend23> hey all
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• 837[10:38:22] <genr8_> m8
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• 839[10:39:46] <godSend23> hi
• 840[10:39:48] <godSend23> how u doing
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• 856[11:11:50] <x033gg> Some of the nicknames in these channels give me the giggles just going down them
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• 859[11:15:28] <alex11> ahh, the internet.
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• 871[11:25:53] <x033gg> what would we do without it alex.
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• 873[11:26:10] <x033gg> :)
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• 875[11:26:54] <Haohmaru> replaced-url
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• 877[11:28:21] <x033gg> like no?
• 878[11:28:36] <x033gg> paste it in binary in paste bin.
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• 882[11:31:25] <Haohmaru> (it's a picture)
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• 885[11:34:12] <ksk> !offtopic
• 886[11:34:12] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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• 888[11:36:41] <Haohmaru> krk sometimes the train tilts a bit sideways on the big turns, but it goes back to normal ;P~
• 889[11:37:00] <Haohmaru> * ksk, sorry
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• 899[11:49:30] <kkopenfree> hello
• 900[11:49:53] <fdfd> ok
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• 902[11:51:08] <fdfd> 喝咖啡
• 903[11:51:23] <kkopenfree> 你是哪里的？
• 904[11:53:14] <ksk> !cn
• 905[11:53:14] <dpkg> 如果您想要以中文得到 Debian 相關的協助，請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot 頻道，連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC 程式之相關說明，或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作！- debian-chinese-big5@lists.debian.org/debian-chinese-gb@lists.debian.org
• 906[11:53:28] <ksk> Whatever that is saying ;)
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• 908[11:54:00] <Haohmaru> how do you tell it's not japanese or something else?
• 909[11:54:09] <Haohmaru> probability?
• 910[11:54:15] <ksk> Google told me, whan I wanted to translate jp->en
• 911[11:54:28] <Haohmaru> ah, u cheat0r
• 912[11:54:29] <ratrace> I just use autodetect
• 913[11:54:40] <ksk> (afaik they have different "style" of kanji? If they are even both named this way
• 914[11:54:43] <ksk> )
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• 916[11:55:26] <Haohmaru> i'm using very smol bitmap font, so those glyphs turn into some vector font, which at that size is.. guess
• 917[11:55:39] <fdfd> Japanese translation makes money
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• 919[11:56:24] <nevivurn> Japanese has some shared characters, but they usually have some non-boxy characters mixed in the middle
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• 923[11:57:25] <kkopenfree> Yes, my wife is learning Japanese
• 924[11:58:05] <S3xyL1nux> she probably then cheating on you with a japanese guy
• 925[11:58:29] <jelly> !jp
• 926[11:58:29] <dpkg> jp is, like, 日本語話者： irc.debian.or.jp の #debianjp または debian-japanese@lists.debian.org
• 927[11:59:00] <kkopenfree> no impossible
• 928[11:59:09] <jelly> hidpi screens make those characters a lot nicer
• 929[11:59:38] <S3xyL1nux> and for that , you probably much shorter than an average japanese size
• 930[11:59:58] <fireba11> -_-
• 931[12:00:46] <user3> !fa
• 932[12:01:21] <user3> doesnt work for farsi/persian :|
• 933[12:01:23] <fdfd> 18cm
• 934[12:01:26] <user3> !per
• 935[12:01:32] <jelly> !persian
• 936[12:01:32] <dpkg> For help in Persian join #debian-ir
• 937[12:01:46] <jelly> !ir
• 938[12:01:46] <dpkg> IrDA is an infrared wireless communication standard. To use on Debian systems: enable infrared in BIOS (if built-in), install the irda-utils package (its init script starts irattach by default), enable infrared on the other device, "cat /proc/net/irda/discovery" / irdadump to test. To provide /dev/ircomm* devices, "modprobe ircomm-tty". See also irda-utils' README.Debian. replaced-url
• 939[12:01:51] <jelly> welp
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• 941[12:02:06] <user3> not fair
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• 943[12:02:34] <jelly> if you have appropriate phrasing at hand feel free to contribute
• 944[12:03:08] <RoyK> !no
• 945[12:03:08] <dpkg> No Offense, or den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users.
• 946[12:03:27] <user3> !ar
• 947[12:03:27] <dpkg> hmm... ar is a program packaged in binutils to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or argentina, or #debian-ar on irc.oftc.net.
• 948[12:03:29] <jelly> -alis- #debian-ir 2 :Iranian Debian users channel :: replaced-url
• 949[12:03:38] <user3> !arabic
• 950[12:03:38] <dpkg> مرحبا! للحصول على الدعم باللغة العربية لتوزيعة دبيان جنو\لينيكس , الرجاء التوجه الى قناة ##debian-ar
• 951[12:03:40] <jelly> that... seems a tiny bit out of date
• 952[12:03:44] <alex11> "there are dozens of us!"
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• 956[12:05:02] * jelly feels there should be a respective #debian-yes
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• 958[12:05:17] <RoyK> jelly: hehe
• 959[12:05:25] * RoyK is in .no
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• 985[12:25:13] <dpkg> The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
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• 1020[13:05:32] <dpkg> thanks, dvs. It's good to be back.
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• 1037[13:22:52] <gryffus> In official Debian tomcat9 package, what else do I need to be able to deploy via HTML manager ? When I upload WAR to "WAR file to deploy" and click on "Deploy", nothing happens. When I try "Deploy directory of WAR file located on server", fill up Context Path and click on Deploy, I get 403 Access Deniced...
• 1038[13:23:34] <gryffus> Should I report it as a Debian bug? According to my investigation, it should be enough to just assign me to the "manager-web" role
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• 1085[14:38:33] <kkopenfree> hello
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• 1089[14:40:37] <kkopenfree> heheE: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
• 1090[14:40:44] <kkopenfree> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
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• 1093[14:41:30] <ratrace> running apt or something not as root?
• 1094[14:42:06] <Haohmaru> got synaptic running in the background?
• 1095[14:42:48] <ratrace> I think the error message would be different then (failure to obtain lock, not permission denied)
• 1096[14:43:09] <Haohmaru> oh
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• 1111[15:05:41] <mebus> Hi! Is the AUFS module for docker available for Kernel version 5.6 from backports? aufs-dkms doesn't work for this
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• 1170[16:12:06] <jarxv> Were can I get debian kernal header for version 4.19.0-5-amd64
• 1171[16:12:16] <jelly> !snapshot
• 1172[16:12:16] <dpkg> replaced-url
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• 1174[16:12:50] <jelly> jarxv, look for the exact same version of linux-headers-4.19.0-5-amd64 as the linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64 you got installed
• 1175[16:13:13] <jarxv> thanks
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• 1179[16:14:09] <kkopenfree> N
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• 1188[16:21:12] <andypoenas> hola senor and senorita. anyone who need Tor bridge for personal use? free stuffs. tor bridge is good mix with GNUnet. Private message me if interest. free stuffs.
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• 1192[16:23:08] <fireba11> wtf
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• 1209[16:31:11] <dvs> F#
• 1210[16:31:21] <fireba11> ratrace: probably one of the highly qualified government hack0rz trying to get our data *rofl*
• 1211[16:31:59] <ratrace> mmmh-hmmm :)
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• 1214[16:33:28] <jelly> do you have a cat, kkopenfree
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• 1218[16:37:32] <Ede|Popede> "having" a cat?
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• 1220[16:37:39] <n4dir> at least someone who mentions gnunet
• 1221[16:37:53] <ratrace> probably. cat got their tongue :)
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• 1223[16:38:30] <Ede|Popede> cats in their divine mercy allow their can openers to share their homes with them ;)
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• 1228[16:42:13] <ratrace> Anyone using AIDE? I seem to have an issue with rules to allow directories where files can be added or removed without being logged. Eg. /var/lib/roundcube/tmp Vardir+ARF+ANF doesn't cut it, additions and removals are still logged
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• 1239[16:50:20] <JyZyXEL> sigh yeah, i've been trying to make AIDE not email me about f+ and d+ at all but can't figure it out
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• 1242[16:51:16] <JyZyXEL> also if you have any mtimes in the future, it complains about that every email
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• 1244[16:52:38] <JyZyXEL> but all that i really want to know is "f C" without mtime changes, that's what is actually interesting to me
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• 1251[16:55:56] <ratrace> JyZyXEL: well mtimes in the future are bad
• 1252[16:56:58] <ratrace> seems like I'm gonna whip up my own AIDE in python..... this is just ridiculous.
• 1253[16:57:27] <JyZyXEL> yeah, i've been planning to whip up my own solution as well
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• 1256[16:57:58] <JyZyXEL> i wanna combine cshatag with blake3 and have the hashes in xattrs
• 1257[16:58:21] <ratrace> but then those could be subverted?
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• 1259[17:00:16] <ratrace> ahh I think I got this. seems I skipped to reinit the db after config change. doesn't work otherwise
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• 1261[17:00:40] <JyZyXEL> oh yeah, that's a thing with aide
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• 1266[17:02:11] <ratrace> still thinking about writing my own, with remote access to the db itself, so it's not a local file
• 1267[17:02:29] <ratrace> ie. who's watching the watchers :)
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• 1269[17:03:17] <JyZyXEL> im not so concerned about intrusion, but data integrity at hardware and software level
• 1270[17:04:05] <JyZyXEL> since all my systems are single user: me
• 1271[17:04:29] <ratrace> I got that sorted by btrfs and zfs :)
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• 1274[17:05:37] <JyZyXEL> it's been a decade since i last tried btrfs :/
• 1275[17:06:06] <ratrace> it improved massively since. I'm now using it as a daily driver
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• 1278[17:06:39] <ratrace> interesting talk I just watched today: replaced-url
• 1279[17:07:34] <ratrace> there used to be that myth that Facebook is using btrfs only on temporary/volatile/who-cares data, but that's plain false.
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• 1285[17:12:08] <JyZyXEL> not sure if that's an endorsement or warning to stay away :P
• 1286[17:13:11] <JyZyXEL> (the fact that facebook uses btrfs)
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• 1288[17:15:08] <ratrace> JyZyXEL: I think that advertisement company that's in it for the moneys would want a system as stable as possible so it can make moar monies!
• 1289[17:16:12] <ratrace> it's also used by rockstor and synology in their NAS flagships, though synology is modifying btrs and mdadm so mdadm is the raid layer under btrfs
• 1290[17:16:36] <ratrace> (because they want raid 5/6 which is still a no-no in btrfs)
• 1291[17:17:32] <JyZyXEL> i don't really know what facebook is or what they want, but i'm pretty sure i want nothing to do with it :P
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• 1295[17:19:49] <ratrace> me neither, but they do have good tech. memcached, zstd, btrfs contribs
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• 1308[17:38:08] <zagor[m]> There seems to be a misbehaving ddos guard or similar on snapshot.debian.org. It drops the connection in the middle of files.
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• 1310[17:39:02] <zagor[m]> If I throttle my connection to ~10Mbit/s I can download. Any faster and I get kicked.
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• 1319[17:54:16] <jelly> zagor[m], can you provide a sample URL to a large deb or something?
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• 1339[18:12:14] <zagor[m]> jelly: replaced-url
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• 1346[18:21:32] <jelly> linux-image-5.8.0-1-amd64_5.8.7-1_amd64.deb 100%[=====================================================================================================>] 48.22M 22.3MB/s in 2.2s
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• 1348[18:21:41] <jelly> that's about 200Mbps
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• 1350[18:22:14] <ZitZ> hi all, i'm wondering how to make this command persist between reboots the "debian way" -- ip addr add 192.168.40.1/32 dev lo
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• 1353[18:23:45] <ratrace> dev lo ?! whyyyyyy
• 1354[18:23:47] <jelly> ZitZ, after "iface lo" add an (indented or not) line like: up ip a add 192.168.40.1/32 dev lo
• 1355[18:24:05] <jelly> in /etc/network/interfaces file
• 1356[18:24:26] <ZitZ> i'm running multiple instances of an application on my dev box, with different tmux sessions for each, it's a pretty sick setup
• 1357[18:25:12] <ratrace> do you even need an up hook? with iproute2 you should be able to just add another iface lo inet static stanza with the new IP
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• 1359[18:25:59] <ZitZ> i swear i tried both of those
• 1360[18:26:15] <ZitZ> let me try again though
• 1361[18:26:18] <jelly> or:
• 1362[18:26:20] <jelly> iface lo:8 inet static
• 1363[18:26:20] <jelly> address 213.191.128.8/32
• 1364[18:26:24] <ratrace> ZitZ: but are you sure you want that on the loopback device, instead of the physical NIC where the 192.168/16 make more sense (and you likely have one from the subnet)?
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• 1366[18:26:53] <jelly> and auto lo:8 (or whatever, aliases can start at :0 but you don't need to be sequential)
• 1367[18:26:55] <ratrace> the lo:<num> is the legacy method btw
• 1368[18:27:10] <jelly> it works.
• 1369[18:27:26] <jelly> and it's slightly nicer than an up line
• 1370[18:27:31] <ratrace> but its' not quite compatible with iproute2
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• 1372[18:27:46] <ratrace> jelly: eh just add a whole new iface stanza? no need for :<num>
• 1373[18:27:47] <jelly> wfm
• 1374[18:27:49] <ZitZ> i agree the 192.168 doesn't make sense, but there were other weird routes i didn't want to conflict with, as i'm not the best networking guy, i know enough to get by
• 1375[18:27:53] <ratrace> replaced-url
• 1376[18:27:57] <ZitZ> i intended to change it
• 1377[18:28:34] <ZitZ> i could also have added my own addition loopback devices
• 1378[18:28:43] <jelly> but okay, I'm might remember to remove :0, :8 etc on Debian 11 installs :-)
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• 1381[18:30:25] <jelly> ratrace, that machine has... auto lo:0 lo:2 lo:1 lo:3 lo:8 lo:9 lo:48
• 1382[18:31:38] * jelly previously did for loops with ip a and ip r in up/post-up lines
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• 1391[18:36:07] <zagor[m]> jelly: Hmm. Now it works at my full 100 Mbit too.
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• 1396[18:39:24] <ZitZ> i got it to work finally! thanks guys
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• 1414[18:47:59] <jelly> zagor[m], verify that chico hasn't sat on your cable
• 1415[18:49:16] <zagor[m]> I've had odd network problems with snapshot before, from several different networks. But it's of course not easy to troubleshoot when I can't repeat it. I'll be back! ;)
• 1416[18:50:05] <}8]> hi. how do i add an edid to initramfs? ive copied the edid i want to use to /lib/firmware/edid, i added ``GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="drm.edid_firmware=HDMI-A-1:edid/avamp.edid.bin"`` to /etc/default/grub, updated grub and initramfs but on reboot dmesg shows ``[drm:edid_load [drm]] *ERROR* Requesting EDID firmware "edid/avamp.edid.bin" failed (err=-2)``
• 1417[18:50:24] <}8]> im guessing thats because the file isnt in initramfs??
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• 1450[19:09:06] <JyZyXEL> if you need it in initramfs you have to add a hook: replaced-url
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• 1485[19:33:54] <}8]> need it at initramfs. thanks guys
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• 1496[19:42:14] <}8]> JyZyXEL - that did the trick, thanks again!
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• 1500[19:44:05] <jelly> !JyZyXEL++
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• 1518[20:00:27] <JordiGH> jelly: I thought you had just pasted your password or something.
• 1519[20:01:31] <GNU\colossus> hehe
• 1520[20:01:54] <GNU\colossus> personally, I use hunter2 as my password
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• 1523[20:02:11] <flayer> excellent choice
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• 1525[20:03:22] <mutante> trying to build a Debian package and running into "Unmet build dependencies: nodejs (>= 10) npm (>= 5.8) libpq-dev". What is normally the way to install build dependencies like that? do i have to use "apt-get build-dep <package name>" on the build host? or do i just need the source packages with apt-get source for all dependencies so i can do it as non-root?
• 1526[20:03:55] <sney> the former, though you can use something like pbuilder to keep from cluttering the host system
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• 1528[20:05:10] <mutante> sney: thank you. the build command i am using is actually "pdebuild"
• 1529[20:05:25] <mutante> does that mean i can avoid cluttering the host?
• 1530[20:05:39] <sney> I'm not familiar with that one, what does the man page say?
• 1531[20:05:53] <mutante> pdebuild - pbuilder way of doing debuild
• 1532[20:06:02] <sney> then yes, probably
• 1533[20:06:04] <mutante> A convenience program for pbuilder which invokes pbuilder after obtaining appropriate root privilege in a Debian source directory.
• 1534[20:06:29] <sney> I haven't used pbuilder personally in a couple years but I think you need to do some setup before building packages with it
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• 1536[20:06:49] <sney> but then it does all of its work in chroots
• 1537[20:06:50] <mutante> hmm. yea. it's already a dedicated build host used by others. this is just me not knowing how to use it properly
• 1538[20:07:16] <mutante> my first attempt was to just "apt-get source" the dependency packages but it did not seem to work
• 1539[20:07:48] <sney> yes, build-deps need to be the specific -dev header packages and whatever else is explicitly stated in d/control.
• 1540[20:07:53] <sney> just having source on disk doesn't cut it.
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• 1542[20:08:25] <somiaj> I don't recall having to much to setup to get pbuilder to work.
• 1543[20:09:03] <sney> don't you need to generate a chroot tarball first? or am I thinking of a different tool
• 1544[20:09:12] <jrtc27> yes, but `sudo pbuilder create` should just work
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• 1546[20:09:42] <jrtc27> (assuming you're on Debian; if you're on Ubuntu it'll create an Ubuntu tarball by default :P)
• 1547[20:09:51] <mutante> so let's say pbuilder is setup correctly and works, what do you typically do to get build dependencies.. since we can avoid installing packages on the host
• 1548[20:09:59] <jrtc27> nothing
• 1549[20:10:03] <jrtc27> it's automatic
• 1550[20:10:03] <mutante> hmm, ok
• 1551[20:10:09] <sney> does pbuilder create mimic the running system or create a sid tarball by default?
• 1552[20:10:15] <jrtc27> latter
• 1553[20:10:15] <mutante> something else is going wrong then
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• 1555[20:10:39] <jrtc27> (sid on debian, I assume devel on Ubuntu)
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• 1579[20:41:10] <doubletwist> So I've got a local mirror of debian/ubuntu mirrors using debmirror, which is working great for our internal clients to point to. But now I also need the ability to have a custom internal repo for hosting our own custom packages or packages that aren't in an existing mirrorable repo.
• 1580[20:41:51] <doubletwist> What's the best way to do that which is a) simple and b) will work on a RHEL7 system which is where the debmirror mirrors are (for reasons)
• 1581[20:42:04] <macc24> does systemd package overwrite /etc/systemd/system.conf on upgrade?
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• 1584[20:42:16] <jelly> no idea if this works on EL7
• 1585[20:42:18] <jelly> !reprepro
• 1586[20:42:18] <dpkg> reprepro (formerly mirrorer) is a tool to produce, manage and sync a local repository of Debian packages. See /usr/share/doc/reprepro/short-howto.gz after package installation to set up a repository. Alternatively, ask me about <dpkg-scanpackages>.
• 1587[20:43:05] <neilthereildeil> hey guys, if i only have 4 GB RAM, and no swap, why does "dd if=/dev/zero bs=1GB count=1" work?
• 1588[20:43:25] <jelly> macc24, in general, no packages in debian will overwrite any modified config files. They will overwrite old default configs with new default configs.
• 1589[20:43:26] <neilthereildeil> how am i able to fit 1GB of zeros in memory without needing to swap or running out of RAM?
• 1590[20:43:27] <doubletwist> jelly: Ok looks like there's package for it
• 1591[20:43:46] <macc24> jelly: thanks
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• 1593[20:44:35] <doubletwist> jelly: In the debian wiki that talks about reprepro, it says "Several versions of each package: not in the same Packages instance" what does that mean?
• 1594[20:44:39] <jelly> neilthereildeil, depending on kernel version, all the virtual zero pages might be mapped to a single physical zero page
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• 1596[20:45:16] <neilthereildeil> do when dd writes a bunch of stuff from zev/zero to a page, how realized that its a "zero page"?
• 1597[20:45:38] <neilthereildeil> who realizes*
• 1598[20:45:52] <neilthereildeil> where is this optimization implemented?
• 1599[20:46:09] <jelly> doubletwist, normal debian repos do not really support having foo_1_all.deb and foo_2_all.deb provided by the same repo branch, newest version foo_*_*.deb will win
• 1600[20:46:24] <neilthereildeil> im guessing there are actually zeros written to a page somewhere...
• 1601[20:46:49] <jelly> neilthereildeil, possibly in the kernel
• 1602[20:47:00] <doubletwist> jelly: Ok. We use that for our rpm repos but we'll have very few deb-based systems so I don't think that'll be an issue
• 1603[20:47:04] <neilthereildeil> yea but how is that possible?
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• 1605[20:47:16] <jelly> magic, also, friendship
• 1606[20:47:25] <neilthereildeil> someone has to watch all the data written to every page, and keep checking if there was ever a 1 written to that page??
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• 1609[20:49:50] <jelly> neilthereildeil, I might be misremembering things, replaced-url
• 1610[20:49:53] <doubletwist> neilthereildeil: I don't think that command is writing the zeros to memory. It's writing to stdout, which depending on what stdout is at the moment I suspect it doesn't store it in memory
• 1611[20:49:54] <psusi> probably something as simple as the read() call to /dev/zero instead of writing zeros to a page of memory, sees that no page is currently allocated, and just allocates a read only refernce to the zero page
• 1612[20:50:12] <psusi> so as long as nobody ever actually writes to that virtual address, no physical memory is ever allocated
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• 1615[20:51:11] <neilthereildeil> ohh thats clever
• 1616[20:51:13] <neilthereildeil> cool
• 1617[20:51:34] <neilthereildeil> well, maybe if the read() size > 4096, it just returns the 0 page
• 1618[20:51:47] <psusi> yes, the reads have to be page aligned and sized
• 1619[20:51:49] <neilthereildeil> if i want to read 8 bytes, it would have to alloc and return 8 bytes
• 1620[20:52:18] <psusi> but dd takes care to page align the buffers it allocates so you can do flag=direct
• 1621[20:52:46] <jelly> your libc malloc() might pretend it only allocated 8 bytes, but brk(2) works only page-sizes
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• 1625[20:54:04] <psusi> has anyone uses brk() in the last 30 years? ;)
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• 1627[20:54:25] <jelly> surely you have written your own malloc in the uni
• 1628[20:54:40] <jelly> strace shows almost every app using it :-)
• 1629[20:54:42] <psusi> no, but I wouldn't use brk()
• 1630[20:54:48] <psusi> really? what the hell for?
• 1631[20:54:58] <jelly> (except those that mmap)
• 1632[20:54:58] <greycat> the C library uses it under the covers
• 1633[20:54:59] <psusi> use the proper vma management apis
• 1634[20:55:10] <psusi> yea, like mmap
• 1635[20:55:17] <psusi> brk() is an anchromism from before memory paging
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• 1640[20:56:51] <jelly> execve("/bin/dd", ["dd", "if=/dev/zero", "of=/dev/null", "bs=1M", "count=4"], 0x7ffd0d0b4730 /* 54 vars */) = 0
• 1641[20:56:51] <jelly> brk(NULL) = 0x5605ccf71000
• 1642[20:56:59] <jelly> that's literally the first syscall.
• 1643[20:57:04] <psusi> weird...
• 1644[20:57:15] <psusi> wonder why libc is still using that
• 1645[20:57:38] <jrtc27> because glibc is full of crusty old code
• 1646[20:57:56] <jelly> the app actually uses mmap later
• 1647[20:58:00] <jrtc27> (s)brk should not exist, and FreeBSD does not implement it on its recent (aarch64 and riscv64) ports
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• 1649[20:58:34] <jrtc27> and developers need to stop shipping allocators that used it
• 1650[20:58:48] <jrtc27> allocators that were written 30 years ago because they thought they could do better than the crummy allocators of the time
• 1651[20:58:57] <jrtc27> *crummy system allocators
• 1652[20:59:11] <neilthereildeil> so brk() is the linux equivalent of Win32 VirtualAlloc?
• 1653[20:59:18] <jrtc27> no, that's mmap
• 1654[20:59:27] <jrtc27> brk is to move the magic program break point
• 1655[20:59:36] <jrtc27> ye olde "stack + heap grow towards each other" model
• 1656[20:59:36] <psusi> no, brk is more like... I forget what dos int21 call to set the top of the heap address
• 1657[21:00:22] <neilthereildeil> hmmm no, that would be a file mapping on windows
• 1658[21:00:31] <neilthereildeil> brk man page says it allocates VM
• 1659[21:00:38] <neilthereildeil> loke like the same as VirtualAlloc
• 1660[21:00:46] <neilthereildeil> looks*
• 1661[21:00:47] <psusi> nope... read more carefully
• 1662[21:00:58] <psusi> it does not return an address of a new allocated virtual address
• 1663[21:01:07] <psusi> all it does it get/set the "top of heap" address
• 1664[21:01:27] <psusi> which classically was a contiguous region between the top of the text segment of the program and the stack segment
• 1665[21:01:56] <jelly> I guess I remember seeing it in strace all the time for all the wrong reasons
• 1666[21:02:04] <psusi> it's one contiguous block of addresses.. you can't allocate and free different parts
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• 1669[21:02:13] <neilthereildeil> ok, so I would need to call sbrk to get the address
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• 1671[21:02:27] <neilthereildeil> but thats still essentially VirtualAlloc
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• 1673[21:02:29] <neilthereildeil> not mmap
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• 1675[21:02:39] <neilthereildeil> mmap would map a file into VM
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• 1677[21:02:43] <jrtc27> no
• 1678[21:02:46] <neilthereildeil> this is allocating new VM
• 1679[21:02:46] <psusi> nope... VirtualAlloc() finds an unused virtual address and allocates it
• 1680[21:02:51] <jrtc27> mmap can allocate anonymous memory with fd -1
• 1681[21:02:56] <psusi> and you can allocate and free pages freely
• 1682[21:02:58] <jrtc27> which is just "please give me free pages of memory"
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• 1687[21:03:20] <jelly> and linux typically LIES and says "here, have some"
• 1688[21:03:28] <psusi> brk() clasically just asked "where is the top of my heap" or "I would like to move the top of heap to here, is that a problem"?
• 1689[21:03:47] <GNU\colossus> there's lies, damn lies, and memory overcommit
• 1690[21:03:59] <neilthereildeil> ok, so im gathering from u guys that both mmap and sbrk can be used to alloc new VM
• 1691[21:04:06] <neilthereildeil> right?
• 1692[21:04:17] <psusi> no... forget about virtual memory
• 1693[21:04:25] <greycat> this is *way* off topic by the way
• 1694[21:04:26] <psusi> brak comes from before there was such a thing
• 1695[21:05:49] <psusi> if you had 1 M of ram, and the program was loaded into the first 500k, then the last 500k was for the stack and heap. the stack started at the top and grew down, and the heap started at 500k... brk() just let you say "I want that heap to be xxx kb in size, is that going to crash into my stack"?
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• 1706[21:13:23] <neilthereildeil> psusi: so this example im guessing assumes no Virtual Memory has to be allocated
• 1707[21:13:33] <neilthereildeil> ur trynna say brk works in real mode etc also?
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• 1711[21:16:57] <psusi> neilthereildeil: exactly
• 1712[21:17:14] <psusi> brk() comes from the days before protected mode
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• 1738[21:44:49] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. How do I find the command to run a program if it isn't the same name as the package? I am trying to run the mariadb-client, but that command isn't working.
• 1739[21:45:28] <greycat> you can do dpkg -L pkgname | grep bin/
• 1740[21:45:48] <diogenes_> Lady_Aleena, open the name.desktop in a text editor and look at Exec=
• 1741[21:46:50] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, that returned nothing. Now to go in search of the .desktop.
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• 1743[21:47:20] <greycat> then it's probably a meta-package that depends on some versioned package, and you need to open *that* one
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• 1745[21:47:25] <greycat> ,depends mariadb-client
• 1746[21:47:26] <judd> Package mariadb-client in buster/amd64 -- depends: mariadb-client-10.3 (>= 1:10.3.23-0+deb10u1).
• 1747[21:47:33] <greycat> yeah, like that
• 1748[21:47:40] <greycat> try dpkg -L mariadb-client-10.3 | grep bin/
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• 1752[21:49:05] <jmcnaught> mariadb-client-10.3 depends on mariadb-client-core-10.3 which is the one that contains the mariadb and mysql clients
• 1753[21:49:51] <greycat> sheesh
• 1754[21:50:17] <Lady_Aleena> Thank you all. I just wish that the GUI had gui in the name.
• 1755[21:51:51] <jmcnaught> I don't think those are GUIs
• 1756[21:51:52] <dka> hello, I have a router that support Wake On Lan proxy, I have enabled on my motherboard the wake on lan, how can I wake up my computer with the lan?
• 1757[21:52:40] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, thank you.
• 1758[21:53:09] <Lady_Aleena> diogenes_, thank you, but I couldn't find the desktop file.
• 1759[21:53:33] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, thank you for looking at it.
• 1760[21:54:05] <mutante> dka: you can use any of multiple clients to send the actual "wake up"-package. one on Linux should be called "powerwake" i see
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• 1766[21:57:05] <nickname123> is it possible to stop debian and/or KDE to search for updates automatically?
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• 1768[21:58:16] <diogenes_> nickname123, to disable unattended-updates or if there's an update applet in KDE.
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• 1772[21:59:28] <nickname123> unattended updates are disabled. there was a command line window that asked me if i wanted them
• 1773[21:59:37] <nickname123> but discover searches for updates
• 1774[22:00:07] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: for database GUIs in Debian two to check out are glom and kexi. I'm not very familiar with either, I had to look up their names to remember them, but they exist. Also LibreOffice Base I guess.
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• 1776[22:00:49] <diogenes_> nickname123, ls /etc/xdg/autostart
• 1777[22:01:00] <diogenes_> anything update related there?
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• 1779[22:02:09] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, I will wait, probably until Hell freezes over, for MariaDB-GUI. I will continue with my pipe separated text files for now.
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• 1781[22:02:10] <nickname123> nothing that has the name update
• 1782[22:02:16] <nickname123> diogenes_:
• 1783[22:02:50] <diogenes_> nickname123, run: ls /etc/xdg/autostart | nc termbin.com 9999
• 1784[22:02:57] <diogenes_> share the url.
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• 1786[22:03:34] <nickname123> replaced-url
• 1787[22:03:37] <nickname123> diogenes_:
• 1788[22:04:41] <diogenes_> nickname123, i suspect this one: org.kde.discover.notifier.desktop
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• 1793[22:07:02] <nickname123> [22:04] <diogenes_> nickname123, i suspect this one: org.kde.discover.notifier.desktop <-- this makes sense. discover finds the updates. but it doesn't seem to have offer a way to disable the update search
• 1794[22:07:11] <nickname123> -have
• 1795[22:08:37] <diogenes_> well if you disable that one from autostart maybe it'll stop, i haven't used KDE in awhile so can't tell for sure.
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• 1801[22:16:16] <mefistofeles> hey, how do I know what's the repository source for an installed package?
• 1802[22:17:05] <greycat> apt-cache policy pkgname
• 1803[22:17:05] <nkuttler> mefistofeles: apt policy <pkg>
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• 1805[22:17:26] <mefistofeles> nkuttler: ah nice, thanks
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• 1813[22:23:07] <mefistofeles> oh greycat you ytoo :) missed it
• 1814[22:23:08] <mefistofeles> haha
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• 1821[22:30:55] <nvz> so I seem to have just helped a user get this Broadcom BCM4313 hybrid wifi/bt card working, which the wifi part is nothing new really, we have documention on that.. but the bluetooth showed up as 0a5c:21e3 Broadcom Corp. HP Portable Valentine and was a bear to get working. I'm thinkin of creating a wiki page for it, just not sure what to call it or what pages would be appropriate to link it to
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• 1823[22:31:06] <nvz> was wondering if anyone had suggestions/guidance on that
• 1824[22:32:21] <JyZyXEL> it requires firmware to be extracted from the windows driver?
• 1825[22:32:26] <nvz> yes
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• 1827[22:32:48] <JyZyXEL> did the kernel already have the vid&pid pair or did you have to also use new_id?
• 1828[22:33:29] <nvz> afaik the btusb already worked was just bitching about missing firmware.. the hard part was opening an exe, figuring out which hex file to use, converting that, and putting it where it belongs
• 1829[22:34:20] <nvz> there is a decent walkthrough on kali forums, I just figured I'd rather our users have something on OUR wiki than be using kali forums
• 1830[22:35:18] <nvz> something easier to find and follow
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• 1833[22:35:53] <nvz> cause for one thing this user didnt even know the HP Portable Valentine (ridiculous name) /was/ their bluetooth
• 1834[22:36:07] <nvz> users are gonna know if anything that they have a broadcom 4313 hybrid card
• 1835[22:36:13] <nvz> not what this obscure crap means
• 1836[22:36:24] <nvz> so linkin it to the wifi stuff may make sense
• 1837[22:37:33] <nvz> but near as I can tell we have no wiki entry for this kind of proceedure and I think makin one would prob be a good idea I'm just not sure what to call it or how to fit it in there
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• 1839[22:38:43] <nvz> normally I just make factoids for stuff but this is too detailed and obscure to fit in a factoid without linking something and I rather not make a factoid linking a kali forum
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• 1841[22:39:29] <nvz> its tacky to say the least :P
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• 1845[22:44:19] <nvz> not to mention the kali forum thread makes assumptions that aren't accurate
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• 1848[22:45:11] <nvz> like the use of innoextract which only works on certain types of exe files, where our archive utilities like file roller, engrampa, etc.. will work where innoextract will not
• 1849[22:46:22] * nvz prepares to just wing it if no suggestions are forthcomming :P
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• 1859[22:51:53] <alex11> maybe look at other broadcom pages on the wiki and tailor the wiki page after that
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• 1862[22:53:55] <nvz> yeah thats what I was doing but I dont see anything applicable.. there is no central broadcom page that I see nothing for broadcom firmware extraction like the b43firmware cutter or fimware-b43-installer those are just all listed under bcm43xx
• 1863[22:54:57] <nvz> I dont really think adding a bunch of crap about extracting firmware for the bluetooth really belongs on that page any more than it does on a page for bluetooth
• 1864[22:55:25] <nvz> this is not necessarily a process specific to any one computer or card
• 1865[22:56:06] <nvz> I think it needs a new page that should be linked to from bcm43xx page perhaps
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• 1868[22:57:13] <nvz> frankly I dont like markdown, wikis, nor do I really wanna do this, but it beats the alternative of bangin our heads off this issue again
• 1869[22:57:42] <nvz> the Lenovo X1 carbon is apparently one system that has this, as does this HP pavillion I just delt with
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• 1872[22:59:51] <nvz> I mean I suppose the bcm43xx page could be modified to also deal with this, but that page is soley about the bcm43xx wifi no the usb bluetooth crap thats a totally different device that just so happens to be on the same card
• 1873[23:00:11] <karlpinc> nvz: Yeah. I also resort to updating some wiki or another so as to not let what I've figured out be forgotten. Even if it gets munged by edits the original's still available, which is reassuring.
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• 1875[23:01:39] <nvz> normally I'd just make a factoid call it something like broadcom hybrid bluetooth or something and put the proceedure in there, but its too complex for that and only thing I know of is this kali forum to link to and its not really well written and I dont really like the idea of linking to a kali forum :P
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• 1877[23:04:15] <nvz> personally anytime I hear mention of broadcom I just feel pity like they're a little orphan who just deperately wants a pair of shoes :P
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• 1879[23:04:56] <karlpinc> nvz: (Never hurts to put hyperlinks in lots of places.)
• 1880[23:05:35] <nvz> my toes... so.. cold... :D
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• 1882[23:06:53] <nvz> oh, you poor thing.. here.. have an intel 7260 hybrid card instead..
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• 1885[23:07:13] <nvz> at least we have packages for that
• 1886[23:08:03] * nvz has 3 of them, they work well
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• 1915[23:54:26] <nickname123> <diogenes_> well if you disable that one from autostart maybe it'll stop, i haven't used KDE in awhile so can't tell for sure. <-- thx. now i think it doesn't search for updates but only says there are some python updates that aptitude doesn't want to install. anway, i tried to remove it from autostart by copying the file to ~/.config/autostart/ and adding Hidden=true to that file. the update notification still appears each time i
• 1916[23:54:27] <nickname123> reboot the computer
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