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8 [00:03:09] <c-c> somiaj: well I've not much to give there, other than should complete homework on Rust, Rust ABI and shared libs on linux. Would be 3leet.
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14 [00:05:23] <sney> debian doesn't usually go all-in on new popular languages right away. history has shown that many of them are fads. maybe this one isn't, but it's still to early to tell; support is available, and we can wait and see about the rest
15 [00:05:54] <dvs> sney, I'm glad that they are taking on Kotlin already.
16 [00:07:06] <sney> never even heard of that one. oh, another javoid, like there weren't enough of those
17 [00:07:30] <somiaj> debian also tries to ensure that we can put the build system into debian and follow debian policy. So many thigns are just 'download the current version from the internet and clober your system, pip/gem/go/all do that, it is annoying)
18 [00:07:37] <dvs> Another? It's the only one I know of
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21 [00:07:54] <sney> there are a lot of jvm-languages-that-are-not-java
22 [00:08:03] <sney> I mentally group this with those
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24 [00:08:51] <sney> somiaj: indeed, that's another wrinkle. maybe it's fine for the docker ecosystem (fsvo fine) but not for an integrated OS designed around providing stability.
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33 [00:13:52] <c-c> sney: rust needs a standard effort, then one could adopt it with calm mind
34 [00:14:18] <c-c> *standardization *who knows maybe they started during my holiday
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36 [00:15:50] <c-c> Kotlin looks like java growing up. Personally I wouldn't start a java project using java when kotlin is available. Not sure about kotlins standardization effort but I bet its among the most popular languages in the World, so in that context a good bet for projects.
37 [00:16:35] <c-c> And damn is plain java ever old school imperative verbose clunk 8)
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39 [00:17:25] <c-c> Anyway, I'm looking at replaced-url
40 [00:17:25] <dvs> c-c, actually, the last I've heard, Kotlin is about #59 on the list of current popular languages
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43 [00:19:28] <somiaj> languages are like debian derivatives, can't keep up with them all
44 [00:20:00] <sney> bullseye is a daily driver right now, depending on your needs
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47 [00:21:09] <b1ack0p> where can i get this wallpaper? replaced-url
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50 [00:21:14] <sney> the worst parts of the python transition are over, and while updates are pretty frequent, I'd say it's more stable than some distros' actual releases.
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53 [00:21:34] <c-c> dvs: kotlin is pretty android and that just might take it far
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55 [00:21:51] * dvs hopes
56 [00:22:52] <somiaj> Are there any other major transitions planned, or just mostly normal transitions until the freeze at the start of next year?
57 [00:23:23] <sney> b1ack0p: that one looks like it might be from jessie? the previous debian wallpapers can be found through here replaced-url
58 [00:23:49] <sney> all of the upcoming translations I saw on the list were auto-something
59 [00:23:58] <sney> transitions, even
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65 [00:27:54] <b1ack0p> sney: looks like stretch : replaced-url
66 [00:27:57] <b1ack0p> but in blue
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68 [00:29:04] <sney> yes, looks the same. there's an extra blue tint on the screen in that photo. laptop screens don't photograph well.
69 [00:29:15] <sney> you could probably tweak the color balance in gimp and make it look fairly similar
70 [00:29:54] <b1ack0p> so it is green looks like blue on the picture :p
71 [00:30:33] <sney> I would say the softwaves image is blue-green, and the photo made it look more blue
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73 [00:30:54] <b1ack0p> i see
74 [00:30:56] <b1ack0p> thanks
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105 [01:07:38] <hussar> wow windows has become the biggest spyware ecosystem ever
106 [01:08:09] <hussar> i just booted it in qemu and omg it won't even let you install without giving your email or phone number
107 [01:08:41] <sney> they used to let you skip that, or "enter later" or whatever
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112 [01:10:35] <hussar> next month i'm deleting my windows partition. The surveillance is actually scary
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139 [01:46:34] <johnjay> i find it funny if there's no hard disk the debian installer doesn't say error no hard disk. it just says there was a problem copying a file
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141 [01:47:40] <nvz> johnjay: wouldn't want to jump to any hasty conclusions these days.. for all anyone knows your hard disk may not identify as a hard disk
142 [01:48:10] <johnjay> that's... weird. like ssd?
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144 [01:48:30] <nvz> well yes, but I was more making a joke about the social climate
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149 [01:52:43] <johnjay> heh. i don't remember being this bad at qemu-fu
150 [01:54:50] <johnjay> is the debian installer for bullseye alpha 2 broken?
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152 [01:55:10] <johnjay> seems to be this bug: replaced-url
153 [01:55:11] <judd> Bug replaced-url
154 [01:55:12] <nvz> that might be a question for another network and channel
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156 [01:55:49] <dvs> !debian-next
157 [01:55:49] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
158 [01:56:12] <nvz> well there may be a more appropriate one considering we're talking about the installer
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180 [02:18:40] <mirrorbird> hi
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198 [02:40:45] <n4dir> I got a third party repository added. I want to list all metapackages with the name of that repository, librazik, in it's name. If i do "dpkg -l | grep librazik" it will also list all versions which contain that name.
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200 [02:41:17] <n4dir> So as far dpkg -l is concerned i only want the second entry.
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218 [02:41:49] <n4dir> Is there an apt-get or dpkg command that does what i am looking for?
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223 [02:42:54] <somiaj> aptitude has some powerful search features to find packages based on origin, though you might find just using awk (or some other scripting language) can help get the info you want from dpkg -l
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225 [02:43:40] <n4dir> yeah, sure, but i mainly ask for a solution by debians package management tools, not sorting it with a different tool.
226 [02:44:01] <somiaj> aptitude search can search for things in very powerful ways
227 [02:44:06] <n4dir> as in : apt-cache search --names-only
228 [02:44:14] <somiaj> replaced-url
229 [02:45:21] <n4dir> so from the top of your head you don't know?
230 [02:46:37] <somiaj> as I said aptitude can search based on origin
231 [02:46:50] <somiaj> replaced-url
232 [02:47:20] <n4dir> I am not looking for origin, i am looking for a pattern in the packages name
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234 [02:48:45] <somiaj> replaced-url
235 [02:49:27] <themill> aptitude search '?origin(Name From Release File)?name(someregex)'
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237 [02:50:46] <n4dir> thanks, themill
238 [02:52:29] <themill> in sid, apt has grown the ability to search various patterns too
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240 [02:53:38] <n4dir> I seldom run in that problem. Or rather: never. Found apt-patterns on the web, but couldn't find it with apt-cache or apt-file or such. As nice aptitude commands are, they are hard to remember (if you seldom use/need them)
241 [02:54:17] <n4dir> probably dpkg -l and just sort it manually, or store that aptitude command somehwere ...
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246 [02:56:42] <n4dir> only name would work too, it seems. I should be able to remember that.
247 [02:56:59] <n4dir> thanks again.
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260 [03:13:34] <alex11> cinnamon-core seems pretty bloated if it comes with network manager...
261 [03:14:37] <sponix> Cinnamon itself is fancy bloat
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265 [03:18:53] <b_jonas> hello. I'd like to list all the installed packages on this system, sort of like with (dpkg-query -l), except I'd like to print which packages are selected manually, which I think only apt knows about. how can I do that?
266 [03:19:31] <b_jonas> the goal is to give me a list of packages as a starting point reminder, from which I'll choose packages installed on another debian system. then I won't forget some obvious package that I use a lot.
267 [03:21:05] <alex11> b_jonas, apt-mark showmanual
268 [03:21:41] <b_jonas> alex11: thanks, I didn't even know of the apt-mark program (the man pages of apt and apt-cache don't reference it)
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271 [03:23:57] <b_jonas> alex11: yes, that seems to work
272 [03:24:48] <somiaj> n4dir: which is why I just linked the docs so you could look them up (which is what i do when needed)(
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274 [03:25:21] <alex11> i still prefer xfce compared to anything else but i was just getting a bit bored with how it looks, but i guess it's time i learn how to rice it
275 [03:25:27] <somiaj> n4dir: the short way would just be aptitude search ~nlibrazik I think
276 [03:25:34] <alex11> or use fluxbox or something
277 [03:25:46] <somiaj> b_jonas: also aptitude search ~i
278 [03:25:47] <Unit193> alex11: Using whiskermenu?
279 [03:26:07] <sponix> alex11: my xfce looks pretty Mac Like. I have it doing all the launching, task switching, and so on with Plank
280 [03:26:09] <alex11> well, the default thing xfce comes with, i haven't tried whisker
281 [03:26:13] <somiaj> alex11: Seems cinnimon is fairly popular from people who use to use xfce (from what I've seen, haven't tried it)
282 [03:26:46] <b_jonas> somiaj: thank you, that also seems to work
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285 [03:27:18] <n4dir> somiaj: yes, that seems to work too.
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287 [03:27:47] <Unit193> alex11: Xfce defaults are pretty bland, but you can get it decently shiny. I don't like much eyecandy, but prefer to make it at least not ugly.
288 [03:28:21] <somiaj> alex11: also does installing it with --no-install-recommends maybe help cut down on the recommended stuff, which most users may want but you might not.
289 [03:28:46] <b_jonas> I'll read how aptitude command line works then, that seems convenient
290 [03:29:19] <somiaj> lots of the stuff has been encopriated into apt, though the aptitude search stuff is only recentally getting into apt (in sid, but not buster)
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292 [03:29:36] <somiaj> I haven't kept up on that though, have reverted to aptitude the few times I need such powerful searching options
293 [03:30:10] <somiaj> someone else commented here renctally that they use aptitude because to removes packages (apt autoremove) with the initial remove command and dosen't need a second command
294 [03:30:28] <n4dir> also when troubleshooting aptitude can have other or better solutions than apt-get. I mean in Sid like screwed sitautions.
295 [03:30:42] <n4dir> or could, been ages.
296 [03:31:01] <n4dir> but the syntax ... oh my.
297 [03:31:11] <b_jonas> I am using aptitude in interactive mode to install and upgrade packages already
298 [03:31:43] <b_jonas> and I did know it has a command-line mode, but couldn't find the right command, and wasn't sure it was the right tool in first place
299 [03:32:28] <n4dir> b_jonas: and usually when you need it it isn't easy to create a search term which search machines may understand ...
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301 [03:33:05] <somiaj> n4dir: more and more the divide between the two is less
302 [03:33:18] <n4dir> apt-get and aptitude ?
303 [03:33:32] <somiaj> there was one release (years ago) that aptitude was the prefered tool to upgrade, but most prefered apt-get
304 [03:33:42] <somiaj> yea, though apt-get is kinda now just for scripting, and most users shoudl be using apt
305 [03:33:55] <somiaj> (apt includes both apt-get and apt-cache options)
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307 [03:33:59] <n4dir> i seem to recall way back it was hightly recommended not to mix the two. But that has changed long time ago
308 [03:34:37] <somiaj> that was only for a very small period, and fixed fairly quickly
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310 [03:34:49] <somiaj> the biggest issue was apt/aptitude vs synamptic not playing nicely together, that one lasted a bit
311 [03:35:28] <b_jonas> apparently (aptitude search '~i !~M') lists only the manually installed packages (it's a pity that that includes ones marked "manually" by installing the base system -- why isn't that just a few packages meaning "base system" with lots of dependencies?)
312 [03:35:44] <b_jonas> (probably so that you can uninstally parts of it more easily)
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314 [03:36:54] <somiaj> debootstrap just doens't set any flags really, so the packages you get before you start actually installing on top of it are just all considered manual due to that. I'm unsure if this is an issue the dev team cares much about or not
315 [03:37:25] <b_jonas> it probably doesn't matter too much
316 [03:37:34] <somiaj> in general you most likley want all of standard (unless building a minimial system), and since there is really only auto and manual, a new flag might be best, maybe acll them 'base'
317 [03:37:43] <b_jonas> somiaj: yeah
318 [03:37:57] <b_jonas> besides, the whole list is quite managable, only 613 packages on this particular system that I'm listing
319 [03:38:08] <b_jonas> and aptitude agrees with apt-mark on the number, which is nice
320 [03:38:22] <somiaj> You don't want the base system being auto, and unsure if adding another flag and how it will play out would be the best bet, though someone here was quite upset about this
321 [03:38:39] <b_jonas> somiaj: yeah, probably a third flag would be needed
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324 [03:39:23] <b_jonas> doesn't really matter now
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326 [03:39:48] <b_jonas> I'll just look up the manual for how to change the format, and aptitude will work fine
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328 [03:41:39] <somiaj> replaced-url
329 [03:42:10] <somiaj> b_jonas: what were you looking for, auto installed packages?
330 [03:42:13] <somiaj> or manual installed?
331 [03:42:55] <somiaj> maybe something like ~i~M~poptional lists all manually installed optaional packages
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333 [03:46:59] <b_jonas> somiaj: manual installed, and I already found (aptitude search '~i !~M')
334 [03:48:19] <somiaj> oh opps, missred the docs ~M is actually autoamtiac...anyways, the ~poptional may remove all the base system (Standard and above) acpakges
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336 [03:49:06] <b_jonas> somiaj: thank you
337 [03:49:20] <b_jonas> though I'll instead list both but display the priority with -F
338 [03:51:05] <somiaj> nice, just pointing out that most should just install all standard and above packages, (even if they aren't using them all), it is a fairly minimial system, and this allows prority to help you find the optional (which is most the packages in debian) to remove the base system
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340 [03:52:16] <b_jonas> somiaj: yes, I will do that in the new installation, but this one is debian 9, that one is debian 10, so the list of standard packages can differ,
341 [03:52:55] <b_jonas> somiaj: plus I think what complicates this is not the required packages, but I think I selected the browser bundle at installation time, or something like that, which causes a lot of packages to show up as manual even though I don't recognize them
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343 [03:53:35] <b_jonas> such as libpulse0:i386 shows up as manual and optional priority, and I don't know why I'd install that manually, so it's probably for that browser bundle
344 [03:53:49] <b_jonas> but that's just a few packages
345 [03:54:11] <b_jonas> it's still only 613 manually installed packages, so I can just read through the whole list
346 [03:54:29] <somiaj> maybe, I always start with a minimum system, I only have like 300 without optional, and 194 if I limit to optional manulaly installed
347 [03:55:01] <somiaj> b_jonas: what are you actually trying to do here with this list?
348 [03:55:56] <b_jonas> somiaj: install a debian 10 base system on the new computer, then read through the list and select the packages that I know I want to install on the new system. that way it will happen less often that I realize I want a program later and have to install it one by one.
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350 [03:56:25] <b_jonas> if I tried to go by memory, I'd forget a lot of packages that I do need; and I don't want to read the whole package list, since that's much longer
351 [03:56:32] <somiaj> ahh okay, wasn't sure if you were trying to clone things, /msg dpkg aptitude clone if courious
352 [03:56:53] <b_jonas> there will also be new packages that aren't installed here but that I will install on the new system
353 [03:57:02] <somiaj> though going from 9 to 10, as you said, might have to make adjustements
354 [03:57:28] <b_jonas> it's not just 9 to 10, also the hardware is much better
355 [03:57:51] <b_jonas> so I'll also need to learn how software RAID and caching the file system to SSD works, but that's not for today
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360 [04:02:50] <b_jonas> strange, it looks like aptitude search disables formatting to columns when the output isn't isatty, and I can't find how to enable it. adding an explicit width field in the format like (aptitude search '~i !~M' --enable-columns -F "%c%a%M %40p %E %v |%O %P |%d" > packages-manual.txt) doesn't seem to help.
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362 [04:04:27] <b_jonas> oh well, I can work that around in post-processing
363 [04:06:51] <b_jonas> (yes, I don't need all those fields, but I want to see the information printed before I remove them)
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396 [04:53:44] <zumba_addict> Folks, I need help in finding which started the java process. I don't see it in systemd nor in rc.local file. What else can I check?
397 [04:57:58] <Casper26> Anyone have any experience with cups-browsed service causing debian long shutdowns like 90 seconds?
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403 [05:03:34] <sponix2ipfw> Casper26: nope, haven't experienced that issue
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405 [05:05:43] <idlenode> zumba_addict, find Parent's PID
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408 [05:06:43] <zumba_addict> i got this `root 751 1 1 00:17 ? Sl 1:50 /usr/java/jre/bin/java -Djava.util.logging.config.file=/usr/java/util/tomcat/conf/logging.properties` using ps -f 751
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414 [05:09:17] <lenswipe> Hi all
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416 [05:10:03] <lenswipe> Anyone know if it's possible to create a small template chunk in scribus?
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419 [05:12:21] <idlenode> zumba_addict, cd /etc/rc5.d && grep -Rl "java.util.logging.config.file"
420 [05:12:33] <zumba_addict> I'm good noow
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423 [05:12:50] <zumba_addict> i found out via `cat /proc/1/cmdline`
424 [05:12:59] <zumba_addict> i'll try that too
425 [05:13:02] <zumba_addict> interesting coommand
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427 [05:13:27] <zumba_addict> no output from that grep
428 [05:13:47] <zumba_addict> it's a systemd
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430 [05:17:39] <idlenode> how about this? cd /lib/systemd/system && grep -Rl "java.util.logging.config.file"
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433 [05:19:26] <idlenode> zumba_addict, did you find the service starting it? or not yet?
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437 [05:26:00] <zumba_addict> yes, I did
438 [05:27:56] <zumba_addict> parent id was 1
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440 [05:28:13] <zumba_addict> so i executed `cat /proc/1/cmdline`
441 [05:28:41] <zumba_addict> actually, I think I was wrong
442 [05:28:57] <zumba_addict> it was just saying it was started by systemd `lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Sep 2 2016 /sbin/init -> /lib/systemd/systemd`
443 [05:29:11] <zumba_addict> so it's systemd but which service, lol
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445 [05:30:35] <idlenode> yeah, well, PID one is systemd
446 [05:32:32] <zumba_addict> yep
447 [05:32:43] <idlenode> try this command, you may find the service cd /lib/systemd/system && grep -Rl "java"
448 [05:32:44] <zumba_addict> how do I pinpoint which service it is?
449 [05:32:54] <zumba_addict> i already did, nothiing
450 [05:33:57] <zumba_addict> i also tried it in /etc/systemd/system
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452 [05:35:13] <sponix> I'm glad systemd is so simple
453 [05:35:21] <idlenode> lol
454 [05:35:29] <sponix> isn't there a way to query it with like sysctl or something ?
455 [05:35:35] <zumba_addict> i think it's one of the service that calls the shell script
456 [05:35:36] <sponix> wait that isn't the one
457 [05:35:57] <jmcnaught> Do you know the name of the process?
458 [05:36:27] <idlenode> java is the name of the process
459 [05:36:45] <jmcnaught> systemctl status $(pidof java)
460 [05:37:05] <zumba_addict> i tried `systemd-analyze plot > /tmp/services.svg`
461 [05:37:06] <sponix> Yeah, that is the one
462 [05:37:24] <sponix> jmcnaught: well played
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464 [05:37:43] <sponix> systemd is a great OS. But a terrible init :)
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466 [05:37:44] <zumba_addict> ah, my guess was right!
467 [05:37:53] <zumba_addict> that pid param is nice!
468 [05:38:01] <zumba_addict> never thoought that was possible
469 [05:38:07] <zumba_addict> thank you both
470 [05:38:13] <jmcnaught> systemd-cgls will also show you a tree listing all your units
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472 [05:38:34] <zumba_addict> i tried that but that command failed
473 [05:38:48] <zumba_addict> failed to connect to bus something
474 [05:38:58] <sponix> I had to fire up a Debian 10 VM to actually have "systemd" lol
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476 [05:39:59] <zumba_addict> why some doesn't like systemd? I think it's nice
477 [05:40:25] <jmcnaught> It's not a good topic for this channel really, people have strong opinions and this place is for tech support.
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479 [05:41:07] <zumba_addict> 👍
480 [05:41:36] <nvz> what? nooo.. strong opinions? About systemd? <Michael Jackson>Thats /ignorant/</Michael Jackson>
481 [05:42:50] <sponix> I'm not going to speak for or against... Just saying I needed to have it handy to find the name of the tools and so forth
482 [05:42:54] <idlenode> nice? I dont upgrade systemd cause when I do my gdm3 wont start
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491 [05:50:25] <sponix> idlenode: odd how it manages to break other things, isn't it :)
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493 [05:51:03] <sponix> wonder how that takes place, maybe the gdm3 service file isn't "compatible" with the newer systemd version ?
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497 [05:53:35] <idlenode> yeah, It's like windows, you upgrade it and your old software is not compatible anymore :)
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500 [05:56:21] <sponix> idlenode: is the systemd upgrade you are attempting to do the version from backports or something ?
501 [05:57:25] <idlenode> the systemd I was trying to upgrade to was 246.4-1
502 [05:57:57] <idlenode> and my gdm3 is 3.36.2-1
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504 [05:59:00] <jmcnaught> !debian-next
505 [05:59:00] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
506 [05:59:03] <sponix> idlenode: well if doing Buster -- Yeah, that was the backports from Sid most likely
507 [05:59:19] <sponix> unless of course, you are actually ON Sid
508 [05:59:55] <alex11> backports are from testing, not sid
509 [06:00:15] <sponix> alex11: oh... my bad
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512 [06:00:50] <sponix> the one I did required me to enable Sid source lines, so I thought they came from there
513 [06:00:55] <sponix> !ssb
514 [06:00:56] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
515 [06:01:37] <sponix> v, rtorrent
516 [06:01:42] <sponix> ,v rtorrent
517 [06:01:43] <judd> Package: rtorrent on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.2-1; stretch: 0.9.6-2+b1; buster: 0.9.7-1; bullseye: 0.9.8-1; sid: 0.9.8-1
518 [06:01:49] <somiaj> buster-backports are from testing, making your own can be from wherever you want.
519 [06:02:04] <sponix> somiaj: the things we learn :)
520 [06:02:42] <sponix> that was an "assumption" on my part it seems
521 [06:02:52] <sponix> alex11: thanks for clarifying
522 [06:03:12] <somiaj> with a 5-10 day wait in many cases, they are often the same version anyways.
523 [06:03:47] <alex11> correct, but seeing as how packages do get removed from testing in some cases it's a good sign if a package is in testing long enough to get backported
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555 [06:14:34] <idlenode> I was getting this error:
556 [06:14:50] <idlenode> /usr/libexec/gdm-x-session[1080]: (EE) systemd-logind: failed to get session: PID 1080 does not belong to any known session
557 [06:15:26] <idlenode> then: /usr/libexec/gdm-x-session[1080]: (EE) xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open virtual console 1 (Permission denied)
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559 [06:16:52] <soda__hobart> hey
560 [06:17:01] <gry> hi soda__hobart
561 [06:17:03] <somiaj> idlenode: what version of debian are you running?
562 [06:17:04] <idlenode> hi soda__hobart
563 [06:17:23] <idlenode> the latest one
564 [06:17:55] <idlenode> I install unstable packages too
565 [06:17:57] <somiaj> idlenode: do you mean buster, I thought you said something about sid, just wasn't quite sure which version you were running.
566 [06:17:58] <soda__hobart> is there a mirror that is good for use with the net-install iso of debian 8? i am trying to install it on 32-bit powerpc architecture (ibook w g3)
567 [06:18:12] <somiaj> idlenode: we can't support mixing unstable packages with stable, that is just going to cause a mess
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569 [06:18:42] <soda__hobart> or, perhaps some niche channel or forum that discusses these topics, haha!
570 [06:19:05] <somiaj> idlenode: due to how the libaries and packages are interconected, it is best to either run fully stable, or fully unstable (or maybe testing if you don't want to go all the way to unstable)
571 [06:20:14] <idlenode> somiaj, i use this mirror: deb replaced-url
572 [06:20:28] <gry> "unstable"?
573 [06:21:09] <idlenode> yeah unstable=sid I think
574 [06:21:11] <somiaj> idlenode: are you fully upgraded to unstable, or mixing some stable/unstable packages? There is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for unstable support, but to provide good bug reports, one does need to be upgraded to the current versions.
575 [06:21:12] <alex11> !frankendebian
576 [06:21:12] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
577 [06:21:14] <alex11> ^
578 [06:22:39] <somiaj> idlenode: anyways, trying to help get you support to fix your system. But if you are mixing, the bug could be an issue with what you have mixed. If this bug is present in unstable, then looking for a bug report, or reporting a good bug report can help get it fixed.
579 [06:22:39] <alex11> soda__hobart, debian 8 is deprecated
580 [06:23:10] <somiaj> soda__hobart: archive.debian.net has old releases and can work as a mirror for them
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582 [06:23:57] <soda__hobart> cool
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584 [06:24:10] <somiaj> alex11: not fully, replaced-url
585 [06:24:23] <soda__hobart> yeah, this computer is deprecated, so i think it'll be alright :]
586 [06:24:46] <alex11> oh, powerpc? yeah, i see why debian 8 is desired
587 [06:24:52] <soda__hobart> brb, i'll share a pic once i get it up and running!
588 [06:25:06] <alex11> (due to the project dropping support for it)
589 [06:25:08] <soda__hobart> with a little luck, at least
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591 [06:25:28] <somiaj> powerppc por is on ports.debian.net, though the docs to install it seemed to be lacking
592 [06:25:55] <idlenode> somiaj, I dont mix them, I had upgraded all packages except python2 python-all python-all-dev python2-dev python2-minimal dh-python
593 [06:26:35] <soda__hobart> i guess it's still installing from the CD... it only has 128 MB of RAM hah!!
594 [06:27:02] <somiaj> idlenode: the python2 transition has been a bit rough, maybe you have something caught in that since you are holding things back. You might want to look at how to run python2 in a python virtual enviroment if you still need it
595 [06:27:29] <somiaj> idlenode: but you should take your unstable support issues to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, maybe someone there can help you track down a similar bug, or you could report one
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597 [06:27:57] <idlenode> well, I dont use it, I have other packages which do
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601 [06:30:48] <somiaj> idlenode: having other packages that do means you are using it, and as such it might be best to install that python2 stuff inside a virtual enviorment, or see what the transition state on them is. Anyways, #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
602 [06:31:27] <idlenode> ok somiaj, thanks
603 [06:32:26] <alex11> and do make sure you're completely upgraded
604 [06:34:04] <somiaj> well in this case, provided all the depends are upgraded, it should be fine, though I didn't see any similar bug reports against gdm3 for this issue
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606 [06:36:57] <idlenode> I believe it's systemd's problem
607 [06:37:20] <idlenode> cause when I downgrade it to the stable version, gdm3 works fine
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610 [06:43:54] <somiaj> idlenode: again #debian-next irc.oftc.net, also try snapshot.debian.org, and figure out what version causes the issue, and file a bug report (though look for one first)
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666 [08:18:35] <fernando_> HI
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673 [08:28:25] <fernando_> test
674 [08:28:42] <fernando_> test
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678 [08:30:59] <nvz> dpkg, test?
679 [08:30:59] <dpkg> Test failed.
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703 [09:00:57] <inerkick> hi
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708 [09:05:10] <nvz> hello
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729 [09:16:31] <nvz> you just don't shut up do you?
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731 [09:18:16] <ratrace> so loud!
732 [09:18:46] <nvz> ikr, I can barely keep up with the pace of this one
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736 [09:21:38] <inerkick> anyone using Qt4 ?
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746 [09:26:52] <ratrace> !anyone
747 [09:26:52] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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766 [09:50:48] <tongubin> tongubin Hello, I have problem with polari irc (debian 10 gnome). I cant connect to channels debian and lor in polari. I added Freenode to my networks, identified by /msg NickSery identify [password] & tried connect to that channels. That channels are exist, but i cant write to it & see three dots near the channel name. What can I do? I'm sorry about my English.
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768 [09:53:31] <Haohmaru> tongubin /join #debian
769 [09:53:48] <Haohmaru> what's your nickname with this polari thing?
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773 [09:54:34] <tongubin> My nick was tongubin
774 [09:54:40] <tongubin> Now its tongubin_
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776 [09:56:00] <Haohmaru> what does polari say when you do /join #debian?
777 [09:56:11] <Haohmaru> minus the '?' at the end
778 [09:56:25] <tongubin_> Oh, now i can write to debian
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780 [09:56:47] <tongubin_> I dont know wtf was going on
781 [09:56:50] <Haohmaru> ah, sorry, you're already in
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784 [09:57:10] <Haohmaru> my coffee levels are still critically low
785 [09:57:54] <ratrace> do something about that!
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787 [09:58:35] <tongubin> >my coffee level are still critically low
788 [09:58:40] <tongubin> lol
789 [09:59:06] * Haohmaru stirrs a bucket of coffee
790 [09:59:51] <ratrace> I stopped drinking coffee last year
791 [10:00:03] <tongubin> I odnt drink coffee
792 [10:00:07] <Haohmaru> aww
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794 [10:00:16] <tongubin> *don't
795 [10:00:41] <tongubin> stop... a BUCKET of COFFEE?
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797 [10:01:21] <Haohmaru> hm.. you have a point
798 [10:01:23] <ratrace> I'd say that's a figure of speech, but knowin Haohmaru, probably isn't :)
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800 [10:01:26] * Haohmaru gets a barrel
801 [10:01:29] <ratrace> attaboy
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805 [10:02:50] <tongubin> Lol, are you millionare?
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807 [10:03:45] <Haohmaru> me? quite not
808 [10:04:53] <tongubin> Is your coffee expensive?
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812 [10:05:13] <Haohmaru> nope, instant coffee.. but this is getting off-topic
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816 [10:05:57] <tongubin> oh sorry
817 [10:06:03] <tongubin> goodbye
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862 [10:47:59] <jelly> !qotd0
863 [10:47:59] <dpkg> <confusid> I installed mutt but it is not showing on my menu in xfce :/
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865 [10:49:27] * Haohmaru doesn't get it
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867 [10:52:17] <nvz> !qotd157
868 [10:52:17] <dpkg> < justin420> ...got some weird errors when using that dhclient eth0... < nvz> justin420: thats a normal dhcp lease proceedure < Tchiak> it's ok justin.. lots of men have problem problems understanding what' s going on with their DHCP it's only natural. < Tchiak> if you take this packet once a day before engaging in internet activites, you'll provide a satisfaction to both you and your isp.
869 [10:52:56] <ratrace> lol
870 [10:53:30] <nvz> yeah, its funny even if you weren't there
871 [10:54:04] <nvz> !factinfo qotd157
872 [10:54:04] <dpkg> qotd157 -- created by nvz <n=nvz@c-24-3-200-17.hsd1.pa.comcast.net> at Sat Nov 26 08:49:55 2005 (5407 days); it has been requested 84 times, last by nvz, 1m 47s ago.
873 [10:54:19] <nvz> man, that was a long time ago :P
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876 [10:55:22] <Haohmaru> five thousand days ago
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878 [10:55:28] <Haohmaru> nvz feel old? ;P~
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880 [10:56:28] <nvz> sometimes
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901 [11:14:46] <twanny796> Hello I'm back regarding using SDHC on debian, any help, please?
902 [11:15:04] <Haohmaru> what's the question?
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905 [11:16:22] <twanny796> fdisk -l does not list it.
906 [11:16:43] <jelly> twanny796, do you have any /dev/mmcblk* devices ?
907 [11:16:57] <Haohmaru> maybe it "doesn't work" then
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909 [11:17:08] <Haohmaru> i assume you're using some card reader?
910 [11:17:28] <twanny796> no I am using the sd port in the laptop.
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912 [11:17:41] <Haohmaru> aww, built-in.. hm
913 [11:17:54] <twanny796> linux sees it as /dev/mmcblk0, fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 does not work.
914 [11:18:26] <jelly> twanny796, how does it fail to work
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917 [11:20:30] <twanny796> just stays on 'Welcome to fdisk'.
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919 [11:20:55] <Haohmaru> wut o_O
920 [11:21:18] <Haohmaru> twanny796 what are you actually trying to achieve with the SDHC card?
921 [11:22:20] <jelly> twanny796, which debian release is this and is it a new-ish laptop model
922 [11:22:26] <twanny796> I boot linux from usb and I want to use some files from windows.
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928 [11:25:19] <twanny796> actually I just mounted the windows partition and I can copy files from there. Thank you for your help :)
929 [11:25:35] <Haohmaru> <le_shrug.jpg>
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935 [11:29:25] <sgo11> how to check if a file is a sparse file or not? surprisingly, I can not find this in google...
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938 [11:34:00] <hegemoOn> ls -ls file ?
939 [11:35:55] <sgo11> hegemoOn: I don't know how that helps checking sparse files.
940 [11:36:35] <jelly> sgo11, du will tell you how mouch block space a file is actuall using
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943 [11:38:07] <sgo11> jelly: actually ls -hl shows the actual file size. so no need to use other commands. That's why I didn't ask how to check the size of a sparse file, I was asking how to determine it's a sparse file.
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945 [11:39:30] <jelly> sgo11, ls -hl shows only apparent size here, which debian release are you using?
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949 [11:40:38] <jelly> dd if=/dev/zero of=1TB bs=1M seek=1048576 count=0; ls -hl 1TB ... -rw-r--r-- 1 jelly jelly 1.0T Sep 15 11:37 1TB
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954 [11:41:09] <jelly> du 1TB ... 0 1TB
955 [11:41:34] <sgo11> jelly: some long story why I am asking this question. When I use virt-manager to create a .qcow2 file (100 GB)_, ls -hl shows 100GB. BUT if I use command line "qemu-img create -f qcow2 path 100G" to create a file (sparse?), ls -hl will show the true size (194KB). I am wondering what happend to the command line creation and if that is a sparse file.
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958 [11:42:33] <jelly> sgo11, I guess qcow2 format is more complex and doesn't necessarily use filesystem sparseness
959 [11:42:46] <sgo11> I can use that 194KB file without any problems in qemu vm. The size will be increased when new data will be wriiten.
960 [11:42:52] <jelly> those 194KB is apparent size.
961 [11:43:08] <RoyK> jelly: du should show how much is on the dis, du --apparent-size should show what's apparently (according to ls etc) on the disk
962 [11:43:21] <jelly> sgo11, du will tell you actual allocated blocks
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964 [11:44:22] <jelly> right, so you can have a good guess on whether a file is sparse by comparing du and du --apparent-size
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966 [11:45:04] <RoyK> jelly: yes
967 [11:45:39] <RoyK> jelly: that is, unless it's compressed, ut then, most linux filesystems don't use compression
968 [11:46:00] <RoyK> at least not ext4/xfs
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971 [11:47:12] <sgo11> OK. so virt-manager UI will create .qcow2 files with sparse format. BUT "qemu-img create -f qcow2" command will create .qcow2 files as a normal file (no sparse). Both sparse and non-sparse qcow2 files are supported in qemu/kvm VMs. This is weird.
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973 [11:49:00] <sgo11> Btw, to clarify, "qemu-img create -f qcow2 file 100G" will create 194K file. The file size can be increased up to 100G among usage.
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975 [11:50:48] <RoyK> sgo11: AFAIK qcow2 can be sparse or not, but I haven't understood why, really
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977 [11:52:22] <RoyK> sgo11: I often create volumes with qemu-img create instead of telling virt-manager to do so and just use the latter to attach the new vdisk to the vm
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979 [11:53:09] <sgo11> RoyK: yeah, I always use qemu-img too, because I can see the true size simply with "ls -hl
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981 [11:54:00] <netcrash> Hello, not sure if this is the correct channel to ask... How can I see how the qemu disk image works?
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984 [11:55:56] <sgo11> Otherwise, I have to use ls -hls to see the true size. I feel bad when I see the file with a large size. I am not a sparse format expert. Not sure if "cp" will do weird things in sparse files or not. I thought qemu-img created a sparse file too with some special technique, I was wrong then.
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987 [11:57:16] <RoyK> sgo11: cp handles sparse files well, whereas with rsync, you'll need to add -S
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991 [11:59:22] <sgo11> RoyK: ok, thanks. Now, I know "qemu-img create" will simply create a normal non-sparse file. This clarifies things. I was confused.
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993 [12:00:20] <RoyK> aren't we all? ;)
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995 [12:01:12] <RoyK> sgo11: it might be virt-manager passes -S <somesize> to qemu-img to create those volumes - not sure
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998 [12:03:03] <sgo11> RoyK: thanks. I think you are right. I am reading the manpage. Any advantage of using sparse file for qcow2 files?
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1014 [12:12:25] <archaeopter> Hello! Can somebody help me isntall debian with btrfs compression?
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1023 [12:17:36] <OsteHovel> archaeopter, You can just select btrfs as filesystem during the installation of Debian, I have not tested it myself for the root system but I did it for a separate disk
1024 [12:20:05] <archaeopter> OsteHovel im in manual partitioning rn, why im asking, too bad you cant just choose fs type at least for it to autopartition, i know i need to edit fstab for compressionbut dont know how on live
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1026 [12:21:56] <OsteHovel> Just let it autopartition and then just change it to btrfs
1027 [12:22:14] <sgo11> RoyK: FYI: from [url](replaced-url
1028 [12:22:40] <archaeopter> Im on kde live, no autopartition here or am i blind?
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1030 [12:23:21] <archaeopter> Or is it the procedure on netinstall?
1031 [12:23:43] <OsteHovel> I am actually checking the netinstall right now
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1033 [12:24:54] <ratrace> archaeopter: technically you don't need partitioning for btrfs. you can always later create subvolumes and copy from directories you want to "convert" into subvolumes
1034 [12:24:55] <archaeopter> Ok, i guess ill download netinstall and report back, but then again- how do i manage for the install to be btrfs-compressed?
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1037 [12:25:44] <ratrace> archaeopter: if there's no option for subvolume compression in the installer, I'm afraid you'll have to debootstrap the installation
1038 [12:25:45] <archaeopter> Ok, any advice on having debian itself be compressed?
1039 [12:26:26] <OsteHovel> Atleast you can select btrfs during installation replaced-url
1040 [12:26:28] <ratrace> also note Debian's opinion on btrfs compression here: replaced-url
1041 [12:26:31] <another> sidenote: for compression levels you need a backports kernel and btrfs-progs
1042 [12:27:08] <archaeopter> Ah jeez it gets so complicated, ill just take the couple Gb loss from having the system uncompressed
1043 [12:27:20] <archaeopter> Its a 120gb drive anyway
1044 [12:27:46] <archaeopter> Thx for the help u 2, off i go downloading and writing the netinstall
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1047 [12:29:14] <RoyK> sgo11: virt-manager can create qcow2, sparse or not. I just tried to create a 20GB drive with 4GB allocated as qcow2. It allocated a full 20GB non-sparse file. Interesting ;)
1048 [12:29:41] <RoyK> sgo11: you hve to dial into advanced and so to find that
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1050 [12:30:14] <sgo11> RoyK: yean, you're right. "qemu-img info file" does tell virt-manager's disk is a qcow2 format (sparse), which is different from "-f raw" raw format (sparse). Whatever. kinda complicated. stop research here. This is too much.
1051 [12:31:04] <RoyK> sgo11: file tells me motion-test.qcow2: QEMU QCOW Image (v3), 21474836480 bytes
1052 [12:31:12] <RoyK> so it's not raw
1053 [12:31:42] <sgo11> So qemu/kvm images have 1, raw (non sparse). 2, raw (sparse). 3, qcow2 (sparse)_. 4 qcow2 (non sparse).
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1056 [12:32:03] <RoyK> something like that :þ
1057 [12:32:46] <RoyK> makes sense, right? give the admin sufficient amount of choices and make her day a living hell
1058 [12:34:02] <sgo11> ^_^. I stop here. too much for me. going to do some other work.
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1063 [12:41:26] <ratrace> qcow2 isn't supposed to be sparse
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1065 [12:43:28] * jelly reads the wiki page on btrfs and decides his prejudice against it is completely valid
1066 [12:44:08] * ratrace is running btrfs multi-device (mirror) rootfs, no fancy options, and is so far satisfied.
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1068 [12:44:56] <ratrace> (no compression, no defragging, no deduping, no no-cow trickery, no non-default options save space_cache=v2 which is recommended)
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1071 [12:48:27] <hwm4rgs> why should i ditch my zfs striped mirrors in favor of btrfs? assume i know nothing about file systems
1072 [12:48:44] <hwm4rgs> (and assume i don't care about licenses)
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1074 [12:49:56] <ratrace> for starters on debian dkms may have issues and may turn unbootable on updates. also zfs in stable is very buggy and with crippled performance, so you'll need backports, but I suppose that's not a reason to switch per se. I guess there isn't any really, if zfs WorksForYou(tm)
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1077 [12:50:49] <ratrace> I used to be a ZFS zealot until ZFS ate my data, and now I'm diversifying filesystem portfolio. btrfs on productoin because it's simpler to manage, zfs on backups because it's not btrfs.
1078 [12:51:41] <hwm4rgs> oh, right, i'm running freebsd's zfs
1079 [12:51:46] <ratrace> (and I will not consider a non-data-checksumming filesystem for any important data)
1080 [12:51:54] <hwm4rgs> so yeah, works for me, but i see the point of diversity
1081 [12:52:32] <hwm4rgs> i had (early) btrfs eat my data once though so i feel that way about it :)
1082 [12:52:50] <ratrace> years ago btrfs ate my data too. now zfs did, so I guess FilesystemsEatData(tm). :)
1083 [12:53:17] <hwm4rgs> someone's gotta do it
1084 [12:53:22] <ratrace> but to be fair, btrfs is now in a much much better state than it was a few years ago
1085 [12:54:18] <ratrace> personally I believe the future of zfs on linux is grim. the kernel devs hate it. unless zfs changes license, I foresee big issues in the future.
1086 [12:55:50] <RoyK> but still the btrfs development is moving slowly and the tools are (IMHO) non-trivial
1087 [12:56:25] <RoyK> raid-[456] is broken, or perhaps something like "as well as you keep a good backup or three and can live with some downtime…"
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1093 [13:01:02] <archaeopter> Back from the fresh netinstall, quick question about the btrfs compression in fstab
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1096 [13:02:09] <ratrace> archaeopter: #btrfs is perhaps better place for non-debian-specific btrfs questions, more experienced people there
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1099 [13:02:50] <archaeopter> Oh, kk
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1108 [13:07:00] <shtrb> anyone about the dolby question ?
1109 [13:07:03] <archaeopter> But debianrelated- how do i make myself a sudo user?
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1112 [13:07:28] <shtrb> archaeopter, usermod -aG sudo youruse
1113 [13:07:36] <archaeopter> Ah, thx
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1115 [13:08:14] <archaeopter> usermod not found?
1116 [13:08:44] <shtrb> it's an administrative command (should be run with a sudo or by a user that has permissions for that)
1117 [13:09:03] <archaeopter> same, tried su and then doing that
1118 [13:09:38] <shtrb> it's "su -"
1119 [13:09:40] <shtrb> not su
1120 [13:09:47] <archaeopter> ah fuck
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1122 [13:10:31] <archaeopter> thx!
1123 [13:11:18] <shtrb> np , have fun
1124 [13:11:22] <shtrb> !next
1125 [13:11:22] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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1129 [13:18:03] <RoyK> ,v grub
1130 [13:18:04] <judd> No package named 'grub' was found in amd64.
1131 [13:18:06] <RoyK> ,v grub2
1132 [13:18:07] <judd> Package: grub2 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1; stretch: 2.02~beta3-5+deb9u2; buster: 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u2; buster-security: 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u2; bullseye: 2.04-8; sid: 2.04-9
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1136 [13:22:13] <archaeopter> For some reason im still not in the sudors file after usermoding in su - ?
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1139 [13:23:38] <gry> archaeopter: the groups update after you log out and log in.
1140 [13:23:46] <archaeopter> Ah, kk
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1162 [13:34:57] <keanny479> Hello
1163 [13:35:33] <keanny479> I use squid 4.6 with Debian 10.5 (Buster)
1164 [13:35:58] <keanny479> How can i install sarg ? i tried `apt install sarg` not available
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1169 [13:37:14] <jelly> ,v sarg
1170 [13:37:15] <judd> Package: sarg on amd64 -- jessie: 2.3.6-1+b1; stretch: 2.3.10-2; sid: 2.4.0-1
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1172 [13:38:17] <keanny479> if i wish to install from debian 10 ?
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1174 [13:38:29] <keanny479> how can i get for example the version 2.4.0-1 ??
1175 [13:38:33] <RoyK> I guess install from source, then, unless there's a repo somewhere
1176 [13:38:53] <RoyK> perhaps check if there's a docker instance for it to avoid messing up too much
1177 [13:39:11] <ksk> !checkbackports sarg
1178 [13:39:23] <ksk> mhhm, seems that was not the correct trigger :)
1179 [13:39:27] <jelly> there's usually a good reason why a piece of software isn't available in stable or testing
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1181 [13:39:34] <jelly> dpkg, why is sarg not in thesting
1182 [13:39:34] <dpkg> jelly: I think you lost me on that one
1183 [13:39:37] <RoyK> ksk: ,v should hve listed it in backports if it were there
1184 [13:39:37] <jelly> dpkg, why is sarg not in testing
1185 [13:39:38] <dpkg> sarg is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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1187 [13:39:58] <jelly> ,checkbackports sarg --fromrelease sid --torelease buster
1188 [13:40:31] <jelly> ,checkbackport sarg --fromrelease sid --torelease buster
1189 [13:40:32] <judd> Backporting package sarg in sid→buster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster.
1190 [13:40:36] <ksk> RoyK: yeah I know, I wanted to do the magic, see what jell-y does ;)
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1193 [13:41:00] <jelly> keanny479, you might be able to build a .deb package for sarg locally, using the backport recipe:
1194 [13:41:03] <jelly> !ssb
1195 [13:41:03] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
1196 [13:41:14] <jelly> ,i sarg --release sid
1197 [13:41:16] <judd> Package sarg (web, optional) in sid/amd64: squid analysis report generator. Version: 2.4.0-1; Size: 233.9k; Installed: 843k
1198 [13:41:31] <keanny479> jelly judd yep, but honestly i'm confuse, i don't know how to do that
1199 [13:41:39] <keanny479> someone can help me ? please :)
1200 [13:41:45] <jelly> dpkg the other bot just told how.
1201 [13:41:45] <dpkg> jelly: are you using Windows?
1202 [13:42:00] <sgo11> Hi, I just got a SSD external USB drive. Toshiba XS700. I am wondering how I can test its health if I can not run smartd tests. It supports SMART, but it doesn't allow me to run smart test. I downloaded Toshiba SSD utility, but unfortuantely, it doesn't support Health check on this device either. Thanks.
1203 [13:42:01] <keanny479> i use ssh to access the box
1204 [13:42:29] <jelly> keanny479, how good are you with Debian? Do you know how to edit text config files as root
1205 [13:42:56] <keanny479> i can use vi.. and enable some piece of software
1206 [13:43:03] <keanny479> i installed the squid with kerberos
1207 [13:43:08] <keanny479> now i wish to use sarg
1208 [13:43:28] <keanny479> so what are the steps ?
1209 [13:43:37] <keanny479> dpkg jelly
1210 [13:43:37] <dpkg> keanny479: are you using Windows?
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1212 [13:43:49] <RoyK> sgo11: usb3?
1213 [13:44:01] <sgo11> RoyK: yeah, usb3.
1214 [13:44:01] <keanny479> i'm using Windows 10, but i administrate my debian from ssh using powershell
1215 [13:44:34] <sgo11> 480GB.
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1217 [13:45:23] <RoyK> sgo11: I've seen usb connected stuff not allowing for smart tests several times - well - usually it doesn't work
1218 [13:45:51] <jelly> keanny479, those are literally the steps. Again:
1219 [13:45:52] <jelly> !ssb
1220 [13:45:52] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
1221 [13:46:23] <jelly> keanny479, you can ask the bot about other <things>: /msg dpkg debian-backports
1222 [13:46:34] <jelly> keanny479, /msg dpkg deb-src sid
1223 [13:46:38] <jelly> and so on
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1226 [13:47:38] <RoyK> !frankendebian
1227 [13:47:38] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
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1229 [13:48:26] <sgo11> it's a second hand. so I am wondering if I can do something to make sure it works.
1230 [13:48:53] <sgo11> last thing I want to do is to dd 480g file. :)
1231 [13:49:12] <RoyK> sgo11: is this a native usb device or sommething wrapped up in a usb to sata thing?
1232 [13:49:24] <ratrace> chances are it's the latter
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1235 [13:49:33] <RoyK> I've seen both
1236 [13:49:37] <ratrace> yea
1237 [13:49:50] <sgo11> RoyK: it's a native usb device. But I have to use -d sat in smartctl. so I am not sure what's iniside.
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1239 [13:50:02] <ratrace> I got one here. and I shucked all the sata disks in enclosures, I prefer my own external craddle
1240 [13:50:12] <RoyK> SpeedyG: then just open it ;)
1241 [13:50:13] <jelly> WD have an unfortunate tendency to make usb-only electronicsso you can't pull the disk out
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1243 [13:50:55] <RoyK> jelly: well, you can pull the disk out, obviously, and then attach it to usb…
1244 [13:51:18] <jelly> ftw
1245 [13:51:29] <keanny479> i added the sid source
1246 [13:51:35] <keanny479> did a apt update
1247 [13:51:37] <keanny479> next ?
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1249 [13:51:50] <RoyK> dpkg: tell keanny479 about debian-next
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1281 [14:11:45] <another> ratrace: "space_cache=v2 which is recommended" where are you getting this from?
1282 [14:14:00] <ratrace> another: from folks in #btrfs. space_cache=v2 is slated to become default, it's not yet because it's unsupported by older kernels
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1284 [14:14:59] <another> thx
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1324 [14:58:10] <dka> How can I connect to a MySQL server from Debian? What is the client?
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1330 [15:01:21] <azeem> dka: mariadb-client
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1351 [15:16:16] <jelly> ,depends default-mysql-client
1352 [15:16:17] <judd> Package default-mysql-client in buster/amd64 -- depends: mariadb-client-10.3.
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1356 [15:16:53] <jelly> or that thing, which pulls in whatever recommended mysql-client for the installed debian release
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1571 [16:13:12] <rr123> some reading on debian concerns me, can debian focus on its software instead of trying to be part of political movement? for the first time I am thinking about other alternatives
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1574 [16:15:03] <rr123> be the best software, open and free, is the best way to save the world on its own, please don't mix with any other political stuff
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1582 [16:18:25] <last1> I upgraded clamdscan to the latest version 1.02 I think and it can no longer scan anything, just says: total errors 1
1583 [16:18:30] <last1> anyone else saw this error ?
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1588 [16:24:39] <Deihmos> what political movement is he referring to
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1590 [16:27:42] <jelly> we'll never know
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1592 [16:30:23] <fiet> last1: I am running ClamAV 0.102.4/25929/Sun Sep 13 15:53:46 2020 and have no issues whatsoever.
1593 [16:31:30] <fiet> last1: Where did you see that error?
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1596 [16:35:46] <Ede|Popede> choosing your license may already be a political statement
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1598 [16:36:17] <last1> when I run: clamdscan testdir/
1599 [16:36:29] <last1> it exits right away and says just total errors: 1
1600 [16:36:31] <last1> and no files scanned
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1631 [17:08:00] <icypee> hello
1632 [17:08:11] <ratrace> hurro
1633 [17:08:14] <icypee> when i drag a file to my flash drive it says permission denied
1634 [17:08:18] <icypee> how do i fix this?
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1637 [17:08:41] <ratrace> icypee: the filesystem on your flash drive needs to be writable by you. which filesystem is it?
1638 [17:08:47] <icypee> ext4
1639 [17:09:09] <gribouille> hi
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1641 [17:09:31] <gribouille> vgsplit test1 test2 /dev/sdd1 gives the following message: /dev/sdd1: Checksum error. any idea?
1642 [17:09:34] <ratrace> icypee: so one way is to make the mounted filesystem owned by you, for example sudo chown user:user /path/to/mounted/fs where user is your actual user, and the path is, well, the actual path
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1644 [17:11:01] <icypee> thanks that helped
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1669 [17:36:16] <Kobaz> so, 'apt-key update' is depricated but it doesn't tell you what you should be using instead
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1726 [18:34:28] <SuperNull> Hey gents, does anyone have advice on doing SSO where as Windows AD is back end authenticator. We were attempting radius but it seems to be insecure and painful.
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1742 [18:43:02] <jelly> SuperNull, sssd with ad backend will give you kerberos and therefore SSO; however, the versions we tried in debian were a bit unreliable so we settled on sssd with ldap backend
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1745 [18:43:29] <jelly> which isn't SSO, it's merely "use same account and passwords everywhere"
1746 [18:43:44] <SuperNull> @jelly any articles on this ? and does the server need to 'join' the domain ?
1747 [18:43:56] <jelly> with ad backend, yes
1748 [18:44:00] <SuperNull> i just slipped an @ on irc w00ps
1749 [18:44:08] <jelly> oh noes
1750 [18:44:42] <SuperNull> damn its very hard for us to join things outside our firewall as the DNS for that domain is managed by linux based servers not the AD it self.. so its a pain in the but to get the responses synced
1751 [18:45:31] <jelly> hmm. If you can access port 443, perhaps the AD people can set up ADFS and then you can use OAuth2
1752 [18:45:46] <jelly> which is proper SSO again
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1754 [18:46:25] <jelly> but I haven't tried that, we mostly use ADFS for O365 hybrid integration and some separate services
1755 [18:46:33] <jelly> I only know it exists
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1773 [18:59:11] <SuperNull> i will take a look jelly, thanks.
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1804 [19:35:59] <[rg]> are ubuntu ppa's compatible with debian?
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1806 [19:36:24] <jelly> in general no
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1811 [19:36:52] <jelly> PPA infrastructure builds binary .deb packages only for Ubuntu releases
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1814 [19:37:50] <sponix> [rg]: any certain package you are looking for ?
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1816 [19:37:58] <jelly> sometimes a package for a particular ubuntu release works on a particular debian release of similar age. but that's accidental more than anything
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1818 [19:39:15] <[rg]> I want to run debian, but if possible something close to 5.12
1819 [19:39:21] <[rg]> kde 5.12*
1820 [19:39:55] <jelly> ,v plasma-desktop
1821 [19:39:56] <judd> Package: plasma-desktop on amd64 -- jessie: 4:4.11.13-2; stretch: 4:5.8.6-1; buster: 4:5.14.5.1-1; bullseye: 4:5.17.5-3; sid: 4:5.17.5-3
1822 [19:40:21] <jelly> 5.12 sounds older than what's in buster (Debian 10)
1823 [19:40:54] <[rg]> hm maybe I meant 5.18
1824 [19:41:22] <[rg]> what kernel is currently in debian?
1825 [19:41:46] <somiaj> ,kernels
1826 [19:41:47] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.9.0-rc4-686 (5.9~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 5.8.0-1-686 (5.8.7-1); bullseye: 5.8.0-1-686 (5.8.7-1); buster-backports: 5.7.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.7.10-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-10-686 (4.19.132-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.10-686-pae (4.19.132-1~deb9u2); jessie-backports:
1827 [19:41:48] <judd> 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1)
1828 [19:42:03] <somiaj> 4.19 is the stable kernel, but newer 5.7 kernel is avaiable in backports
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1830 [19:42:14] <[rg]> ah interesting
1831 [19:42:16] <[rg]> thanks
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1833 [19:43:00] <somiaj> I suggest using the 4.19 kernel unless you have hardware that needs the newer kernel.
1834 [19:44:23] <sponix2ipfw> [rg]: Debian in general chooses tested stability over the latest versions
1835 [19:45:04] <[rg]> ok
1836 [19:45:24] <[rg]> what systems are there to get new releases of software like llvm10?
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1840 [19:47:10] <[rg]> since you don't have ppa's
1841 [19:47:40] <sponix> [rg]: if you want the latest and greatest of Debian, you can run the "testing" or "unstable" branches at your own risk :)
1842 [19:48:39] <sponix> to find out more about that you can hit the irc.oftc.net network and join #Debian-Next
1843 [19:48:45] <jelly> v llvm
1844 [19:48:48] <jelly> ,v llvm
1845 [19:48:49] <judd> Package: llvm on amd64 -- jessie: 1:3.5-25; stretch: 1:3.8-36; buster: 1:7.0-47; bullseye: 1:9.0-49.1; sid: 1:9.0-49.1; experimental: 1:10.0-50~exp1
1846 [19:48:56] <strongsec> Just understand that latest may != greatest.
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1848 [19:49:10] <jelly> the experimental repo seems to have llvm-10
1849 [19:49:12] <[rg]> I know, it's just for dev
1850 [19:49:21] <[rg]> sponix: sure
1851 [19:49:27] <sponix> strongsec: Yeah, my system is so rock solid right now it is boring !!
1852 [19:49:39] <jelly> you can get sid (unstable) + experimental bits running
1853 [19:49:46] <jelly> !experimental
1854 [19:49:47] <dpkg> experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. replaced-url
1855 [19:49:59] <dka> can ACPI cause my computer to restart unexpectivly?
1856 [19:49:59] <jelly> !sid
1857 [19:49:59] <dpkg> sid is, like, the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
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1859 [19:50:10] <jelly> oops
1860 [19:50:13] <jelly> !unstable
1861 [19:50:13] <dpkg> Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. replaced-url
1862 [19:50:20] <jelly> !debian-next
1863 [19:50:20] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
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1865 [19:51:50] <[rg]> dka: no I don't think so
1866 [19:52:26] <[rg]> that would be a weird kernel reponse to an error
1867 [19:52:35] <sponix> dka: ACPI in general is power management. And there is a LOT that can go wrong with it
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1870 [19:58:24] <Stonefruit> "/msg dpkg guidelines
1871 [19:58:45] <Stonefruit> whoops, sorry.
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1877 [20:04:40] <oxek> what's the point of apt-show-versions package?
1878 [20:05:44] <sponix> oxek: when there are already other methods ?
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1880 [20:06:55] <sponix> no idea. I use apt-cache madison rtorrent for that
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1893 [20:19:57] <somiaj> [rg]: Depending on what newer stuff you want or need, you can backport/compile stuff locally and run a base stable system with some newer stuff that way. Though this depends a lot on what that newer stuff you want/need is.
1894 [20:21:32] <[rg]> I see
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1896 [20:21:49] <[rg]> thanks for the advice folks
1897 [20:22:03] <somiaj> oxek: I like how they apt-show-versions say it is useful in a stable/testing mix which is usually not something we suggest. Anyways, it appears it has scripted things to give a nice output of what stuff is upgradeable if you have multiple sources for packages, and which upgrades can be done without upgrading stable for instance.
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1899 [20:23:16] <somiaj> [rg]: Many run testing/unstable on their desktops for daily use. Sid has the highest chance of things breaking with upgrades, often times things are buggy, but the fixes (including security fixes) are fairly quick (depending on package). testing has a 5-10 day window of testing in sid before the packages migrate. This means less stuff breaks in testing, security support is far slower, and transitions can
1900 [20:23:22] <somiaj> really mess with testing (as packages maybe removed due to them).
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1904 [20:24:51] <[rg]> ok here goes
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1906 [20:27:14] <alex11> and then again you get the "i've run sid for 20 years with no issues" people, though there are also those who say that about arch, so... grain of salt and all that
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1911 [20:29:30] <sney> I believe the people who make the former claim in support channels are usually just lying, because they are abysmal troubleshooters
1912 [20:30:46] <alex11> stable is still the best option for the vast majority of people
1913 [20:30:54] <alex11> if you want to work with your computer and not on your computer
1914 [20:31:01] <sney> indeed.
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1920 [20:33:34] <abrotman> I only use ludicrous
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1937 [20:48:28] <jhutchins> What I have always loved to hate since the FIDOnet days are the people who say "well I've never had any trouble with that".
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1939 [20:48:45] <jhutchins> That just means you have no clue how to find and fix problems with "that".
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1998 [22:06:44] <zarickan> Hi everyone, how do I update the kernel? Tried doing "sudo apt install -t buster-backports linux-image-5.7.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 linux-headers-5.7.0-0.bpo.2-amd64" but after that completes (without any errors or warnings from what I can tell) I can't boot anymore
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2003 [22:11:57] <oxek> zarickan: should have done 'apt install -t buster-backports linux-image-amd64'
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2005 [22:12:10] <somiaj> zarickan: are you able to boot off the old kernel? What part of the boot process are you stopped (do you see grub?)
2006 [22:12:20] <somiaj> oxek: although that won't necessarly help with the issue at hand.
2007 [22:12:32] <oxek> somiaj: true, but it prevents issues in the future
2008 [22:12:45] <zarickan> I can boot the old kernel, last thing I see is a ACPI bios error, then system becomes unresponsive even to power button
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2010 [22:14:08] <somiaj> zarickan: it could be an issue with your hardware and the backport kernel. Why do you want the backport kernel, what doesn't work with the stable kernel (this dosen't fix your issue, but it may address if a backport kernel is worth it for you).
2011 [22:14:34] <zarickan> Someone somewhere else suggested updating it. I am hoping it also allows me to use XFCE
2012 [22:15:00] <somiaj> zarickan: wonder if something else is crashing, you could try appending systemd.unit=multi-user.target to see if the issue is with the graphical login
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2014 [22:15:14] <somiaj> zarickan: why do you think a newer kernel will help with xfce? What gpu do you have?
2015 [22:15:20] <zarickan> 5700XT
2016 [22:15:33] <somiaj> is that a radeon gpu?
2017 [22:15:35] <zarickan> Yes
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2020 [22:16:13] <zarickan> Running 'apt install -t buster-backports linux-image-amd64' instead doesn't change anything, still hangs after ACPI Bios error
2021 [22:16:45] <somiaj> you probably also need the firmware-amd-graphics installed from backports for that card. But if you are getting acpi errors, maybe see if you can toggle any acpi settings in your bios.
2022 [22:17:35] <diogenes_> zarickan, try booting with nomodeset or acpi=off
2023 [22:17:46] <somiaj> But it does appear that card needs a 5.3 or newer kernel, I was hoping you could have just stayed on the stable kernel. As to why the kernel is not botting, I don't know, but it could be some other issue. Acpi issues can sometimes cause problems, and sometimes there is togglable options in the bios to help get around them
2024 [22:17:53] <zarickan> My firmware-amd-graphics is already the newest version
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2026 [22:17:56] <greycat> I second turning off the display manager (multi-user.target), and also maybe get rid of "quiet", so you can see all the messages.
2027 [22:18:02] <somiaj> nomodeset might make it boot, but this won't fix the graphical issue
2028 [22:18:11] <zarickan> Where do I set the nomodeset?
2029 [22:18:36] <diogenes_> !nomodeset
2030 [22:18:54] <zarickan> Is there any way to see the output when I boot with the old kernel? Perhaps it also gets the same error, but manages to get past it?
2031 [22:19:08] <somiaj> zarickan: hit 'e' at the boot time in grub, and you can manually edit the boot parameters.
2032 [22:19:27] <somiaj> zarickan: though debian grub has a recovery option for that kernel, does the 5.7 recovery option boot you into single user mode?
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2035 [22:20:57] <zarickan> nodemodeset didn't do anything, let me try the recovery mode
2036 [22:21:16] <zarickan> recovery mode also hangs, but different things are printed this time
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2038 [22:21:30] <diogenes_> nodemodeset?
2039 [22:21:44] <zarickan> without, I can try with
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2041 [22:21:56] <diogenes_> did you type it correctly?
2042 [22:22:18] <zarickan> I just put "nodemodeset" on a new line at the top right?
2043 [22:22:24] <diogenes_> it's nomodeset and not nodemodeset
2044 [22:23:32] <diogenes_> and you add it after the linux line before quiet splash.
2045 [22:24:02] <diogenes_> linux nomodeset quiet splash
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2048 [22:24:26] <zarickan> I dont see quiet splash anywhere
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2050 [22:24:47] <zarickan> Ah, nevermind, at the end of the screen
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2053 [22:25:21] <zarickan> Do I add it before or after the "/boot/... root=UUID... ro"?
2054 [22:25:36] <diogenes_> after
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2056 [22:26:00] <zarickan> That works, it boots
2057 [22:26:04] <zarickan> Thanks
2058 [22:26:11] <zarickan> Still no XFCE though
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2062 [22:26:56] <diogenes_> that won;t solve the issue but at least you got a desktop.
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2064 [22:27:40] <jhutchins> ... well at least a console. To the logs!
2065 [22:27:44] <zarickan> Well I have a tty now, no desktop. Boots to black screen with cursor
2066 [22:28:00] <zarickan> Which logs are a good place to look at to figure out why it is not showing DE?
2067 [22:28:16] <diogenes_> xorg.
2068 [22:28:40] <greycat> !xorg.0.log
2069 [22:28:40] <dpkg> Xorg.0.log is in /var/log/ unless you are on stretch-or-later and running X as non-root. Then it's in ~/.local/share/xorg/ instead.
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2074 [22:29:46] <jhutchins> Also dmesg for messages regarding drivers.
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2076 [22:29:53] <bipul> Hi, how to mount .vdi file ?
2077 [22:30:14] <jhutchins> zarickan: Were you by any chance running the drivers from AMD?
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2080 [22:30:50] <diogenes_> zarickan, if you got net then run: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999
2081 [22:30:55] <zarickan> I have the firmware-amd-graphics installed, how can I see which drivers it is using?
2082 [22:31:36] <zarickan> Looks like it is related to the GPU somehow, replaced-url
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2084 [22:32:08] <zarickan> I have an RX 5700 XT
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2086 [22:32:27] <bipul> Using debian iso image can we create chroot ??
2087 [22:33:25] <somiaj> bipul: just use debootstrap
2088 [22:33:29] <bipul> Like we use debootstrap to create chroot for any version of debian.
2089 [22:33:44] <sney> zarickan: nomodeset disables the video driver entirely, and this error reflects that. look at previous xorg logs, Xorg.1.log etc in the same directory
2090 [22:33:48] <bipul> but i don't want to fetch anything from the internet
2091 [22:34:02] <somiaj> bipul: set up an apt-cacher-ng mirror for your network
2092 [22:34:21] <bipul> Now what is this??
2093 [22:34:37] <somiaj> bipul: apt-cacher-ng is a proxy you can use that caches packages, so each package is only downloaded once
2094 [22:34:42] <bipul> I have build an iso image, now just wanted the copy of it as chroot
2095 [22:34:45] <somiaj> bipul: thus all your debian systems (and chroots) use that.
2096 [22:35:10] <somiaj> bipul: well what file system is on the .vdi file? Just mout as a loopback device?
2097 [22:35:15] <bipul> somiaj I don't want to use any thing from the upstream
2098 [22:35:24] <bipul> i tried
2099 [22:35:31] <zarickan> @sney It doesn't boot without it, so I have no logs other than that one
2100 [22:36:01] <somiaj> bipul: I guess I don't see the difference between downloading an .iso image or just downloading packages. But anyways, I don't have the expreience in the method you are using to provide much help.
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2102 [22:36:55] <bipul> okay no problem sir, even this method is new to me
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2104 [22:37:11] <diogenes_> zarickan, ls /etc/X11 | nc termbin.com 9999
2105 [22:37:58] <diogenes_> zarickan, dmesg | grep -i firmware | nc termbin.com 9999
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2107 [22:40:11] <jhutchins> diogenes_: He already has the firmware installed.
2108 [22:40:25] <greycat> does he, really?
2109 [22:40:41] <jhutchins> diogenes_: It's possible he has the ATI-sourced driver, and does not have dkms enabled.
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2112 [22:41:20] <diogenes_> could be.
2113 [22:41:26] <sney> I saw an issue on testing a couple weeks ago where a 5.7 kernel would crash immediately when loading a specific module. I don't remember which module it was, but this is a similar behavior, and these instructions helped narrow it down: replaced-url
2114 [22:41:27] <zarickan> replaced-url
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2117 [22:42:18] <zarickan> Missed the .com in the last one. This is with nomodeset
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2136 [23:01:09] <diogenes_> zarickan, you might want to try something like this: replaced-url
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2142 [23:05:26] <diogenes_> i've never thought i'd say this but nvidia kinda supports better their cards for Linux even though non-free.
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2144 [23:07:28] <zarickan> Great why does amd do this
2145 [23:07:40] <zarickan> You cant download their drivers with wget, they just redirect to error page
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2147 [23:10:30] <zarickan> Unfortunately I don't think AMD graphics cards are an option for me. I still use windows, and their drivers and software for windows is absolutly horrible compared to what AMD offers
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2149 [23:11:22] <zarickan> I meant nvidia, not AMD at the start
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2152 [23:15:09] <jhutchins> I always get nvidia and radeon mixed up.
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2157 [23:18:35] <jo-erlend> Is there a way to use an apt-mirror as local media rather than exposing it through a web server?
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2161 [23:20:59] <dvs> jo-erlend, of course! Use nfs to a remove server.
2162 [23:21:07] <dvs> *remote
2163 [23:23:05] <jo-erlend> dvs,no, I mean I have an apt mirror on my disk. I would like to use it directly rather than doing through any kind of network.
2164 [23:23:51] <greycat> the first example in sources.list has a "deb file:/..." entry
2165 [23:23:52] <dvs> jo-erlend, yeah, use the "file:" URL instead of http:
2166 [23:23:58] <greycat> I mean, in sources.list(5)
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2171 [23:26:30] <tinga> Hmm. If I `mv` a big file to another partition, it will unlink the file and exit as soon as it has finished writing the file contents to the target file system, long before it's actually written to disk (still just hanging in the block buffer).
2172 [23:27:06] <tinga> And I can't find an option about `sync` in the mv man page nor its --help.
2173 [23:27:33] <greycat> you can call 'sync' explicitly
2174 [23:27:38] <tinga> How?
2175 [23:27:44] <tinga> You mean the sync command?
2176 [23:27:45] <greycat> by typing the word sync
2177 [23:27:58] <tinga> What good does that do to me once mv has already unlinked the source file?
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2179 [23:28:36] <tinga> What I mean is, what if power to the external USB drive goes out at that point, the computer crashes, whatever?
2180 [23:28:50] <greycat> if this is a concern for you, don't mv the file; copy it (rsync or whatever), then sync, then rm the original
2181 [23:29:14] <tinga> It just strikes me as *very* odd that a core command doesn't even have the *option* to sync before unlink.
2182 [23:29:31] <tinga> I'm not even asking for it to be safe by default.
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2184 [23:29:55] <tinga> I know I can make my own "mv" command, but why should I have to?
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2186 [23:30:13] <klys> #coreutils
2187 [23:30:22] <tinga> Good suggestion, was never there.
2188 [23:31:41] <tinga> klys, where? Can't find that on either freenode, OFTC or MAGnet
2189 [23:31:51] <klys> oh?
2190 [23:32:02] <greycat> there's #gnu
2191 [23:33:51] <klys> ^
2192 [23:35:00] <tinga> Yep, trying there. Thanks
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