• 0[00:00:04] <n4dir> if you have different (old ) hardware you may try to get your head into chroot as soon lvm/luks is involved. Or do it with an emulator or such
• 1[00:00:22] <n4dir> if you did it like 10 times it should be just as easy
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• 5[00:01:16] <n4dir> if i think about it: an emulator is probably the better choice
• 6[00:01:25] <JarSs> lol n4dir it took me 2 hours to figure this out without encryption and I barely gave tomreyn a heart attack
• 7[00:02:37] <n4dir> yeah. but first to usual chroots untill they go like no nothing. Then add the next step. Like that.
• 8[00:03:00] <n4dir> or just do what the other guy recommended: encrypt the data you care for by other means.
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• 12[00:03:29] <n4dir> < Unit193> You can also do some middle ground with libpam-mount and cryfs or gocryptfs.
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• 18[00:04:47] <Unit193> Since you mentioned VeraCrypt, pretty sure you can use libpam-mount with that as well, though I haven't done that. I'm not sure I exactly trust it, but I use gocryptfs+libpam-mount.
• 19[00:05:12] <JarSs> I don't know if that will happen today... right now I need to install the firmware for the wifi on this XPS
• 20[00:05:21] <JarSs> and then figure out xcfe I haven't used it in a bit
• 21[00:05:30] <JarSs> (transitioning from KDE)
• 22[00:05:56] <Unit193> It might be a bit of a jump from KDE, but Xfce is a pretty standard and easy to use desktop, IMO.
• 23[00:06:27] <JarSs> it's mostly the shortcuts. for example, F2, but then "terminal" and enter doesn't bring up terminal
• 24[00:06:32] <JarSs> I need to figure out the hotkeys etc
• 25[00:07:42] <Unit193> FWIW, in Xfce you can redefine most hotkeys. Check application shortcuts in `xfce4-keyboard-settings`
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• 27[00:13:02] <JarSs> alright running into issues installing broadcome-sta-source deb package
• 28[00:13:20] <JarSs> depends dkms... where do I get that? I thought the .deb has everything I need
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• 30[00:13:35] <JarSs> I mean this package: replaced-url
• 31[00:13:45] <JarSs> need it to get wifi going?
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• 35[00:23:24] <nvz> you fetched this package manually?
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• 38[00:24:19] <JarSs> yes
• 39[00:24:26] <nvz> no, it doesnt even remotely contain all you need.. it at best contains source code for the driver (not certain as I havent touched broadcom in a long time), at worst fetches it remotely
• 40[00:24:40] <nvz> you also need a slew of build dependencies to compile that source into a driver
• 41[00:24:59] <JarSs> nvz: ooohh boy. how do I even start to get these? I thought there was a .deb for that?
• 42[00:25:05] <JarSs> on a different machine, that was the case
• 43[00:25:14] <nvz> when actually online itll fetch all that..
• 44[00:25:37] <nvz> build-essential for example will get you most of what you need.. but still that package itself doesnt contain it
• 45[00:25:45] <nvz> it merely exists to depend upon and pull the rest
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• 47[00:26:29] <nvz> dkms is a framework for automatically rebuilding drivers on kernel upgrades.. that is required.. the compiler is required.. and probably several other tools in the build chain
• 48[00:26:42] <nvz> ,depends broadcom-sta-source
• 49[00:26:44] <judd> Package broadcom-sta-source in buster/amd64 -- depends: debhelper (>= 8), make, xz-utils.
• 50[00:26:50] <JarSs> well how do I get all this stuff from the internet if connecting to the internet is the issue lol
• 51[00:26:52] <nvz> perhaps on this other machine you had all the dependencies
• 52[00:26:58] <JarSs> judd: that's what I have
• 53[00:27:04] <nvz> judd is a bot
• 54[00:27:10] <JarSs> oh >.>
• 55[00:27:33] <nvz> I asked the bot to tell me what the dependencies were for this
• 56[00:27:45] <JarSs> also I can't have a panel because I'm running in kiosk mode.. .apperently? what's all this stuff man
• 57[00:27:55] <JarSs> ok one thing at a time. right now I need to figure out how to get wifi going
• 58[00:28:12] <nvz> you cannot plug in? but have another debian system with internet?
• 59[00:28:23] <JarSs> I have a VM with debian
• 60[00:28:28] <JarSs> I can move files back and forth?
• 61[00:28:34] <JarSs> with USB
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• 63[00:29:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1138
• 64[00:29:03] <nvz> yes, though again been a long time since I did this so I'm not certain what tools are still available lets see..
• 65[00:29:07] <nvz> ,v apt-zip
• 66[00:29:08] <judd> No package named 'apt-zip' was found in amd64.
• 67[00:29:44] <Unit193> nvz: apt-offline?
• 68[00:30:03] <nvz> ah.. is that what its called now? :P
• 69[00:30:09] <nvz> ,i apt-offline
• 70[00:30:10] <judd> No package named 'apt-offline' was found in buster/amd64.
• 71[00:30:17] <nvz> ,i apt-offline --release stretch
• 72[00:30:19] <judd> Package apt-offline (admin, optional) in stretch/amd64: offline APT package manager. Version: 1.7.2; Size: 61.1k; Installed: 311k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 73[00:30:40] <nvz> JarSs: you are using stretch correct? the link you posted was to a stretch package
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• 75[00:31:56] <JarSs> I don't know
• 76[00:32:07] <JarSs> I just looked up XPS setup and that's what came up...
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• 78[00:32:39] <nvz> JarSs: xps setup?
• 79[00:32:54] <JarSs> yes.
• 80[00:33:00] <JarSs> 2015 model, Jesse
• 81[00:33:05] <nvz> idk what that means.
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• 83[00:33:15] <nvz> Dell made a machine that shipped with debian?
• 84[00:33:20] <JarSs> DELL XPS 13, from 2015 :)
• 85[00:33:23] <JarSs> and no
• 86[00:33:30] <JarSs> was windows originally
• 87[00:33:45] <nvz> then why is it sounding like you already had some situation youre now just dealing with
• 88[00:33:59] <JarSs> nvz: not sure what you mean?
• 89[00:34:12] <nvz> were this me, I'd go get a buster image and install buster on it
• 90[00:34:15] <JarSs> oh you mean the OTHER laptop? sorry. yes there was another, a percision 2013
• 91[00:34:22] <JarSs> I did install buster on it.
• 92[00:34:26] <nvz> I dont know why you'd be using stretch or jessie or w/e and trying to fix it
• 93[00:34:38] <JarSs> wait wait wait. lol there's a confusion here. sorry
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• 96[00:35:04] <JarSs> I install Buster from LIVE CD on an XPS from 2015, originally with Windows. Wiped, did the graphical install.
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• 98[00:35:23] <nvz> yes well there are tools to use the apt of one machine to prep a full dependency install package for an offline machine, but they changed a lot in recent years
• 99[00:35:36] <JarSs> Now, that Dell, after I solved a whole issue with booting it and GRUB (not related) dooes not have WiFi NIC
• 100[00:35:36] <nvz> without knowing WHICH system you are using, its gonna be hard to tell you waht you can do
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• 102[00:35:45] <nvz> and if they're two DIFFERENT systems it may be even harder
• 103[00:35:51] <nvz> if they're not both running the same version
• 104[00:36:09] <JarSs> the system is a Dell XPS 2015, Jesse
• 105[00:36:38] <nvz> I'm talking about the OPERATING SYSTEM
• 106[00:36:40] <JarSs> here: replaced-url
• 107[00:36:54] <JarSs> Debian, Buster? Is there another flavor of it?
• 108[00:36:55] <JarSs> I'm lsot
• 109[00:36:58] <JarSs> *lost
• 110[00:37:11] <nvz> as you may have just deduced from what I just did with judd, apt-zip no longer exists, and neither does apt-offline
• 111[00:37:22] <nvz> it does however exist in the previous release, stretch
• 112[00:37:33] <nvz> are both your debian systems running Debian 10.x Buster?
• 113[00:37:40] <JarSs> yes.
• 114[00:38:00] <nvz> alright then we need a solution available in Buster
• 115[00:38:17] <JarSs> OK, makes sense
• 116[00:38:32] <JarSs> So the link I posted earlier is not that
• 117[00:38:47] <nvz> no, the link you posted earlier is packages.debian.org
• 118[00:38:55] <nvz> where you can go manually resolve dependencies on your own
• 119[00:39:03] <nvz> and for one thing it was to the stretch version of a package
• 120[00:39:11] <nvz> you dont wanna be putting stretch packages on buster
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• 122[00:39:53] <nvz> in fact you may not even need to do this whatever you're following as a guide.. as things for how to get that particular wifi working may have changed since stretch
• 123[00:39:58] <JarSs> nvz: "stretch" is Debian 9??
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• 125[00:40:05] <JarSs> ohhh god. lol I'm sorry I think I'm just getting it
• 126[00:40:26] <nvz> perhaps you should start with specifically what the adapter is use lspci -nn or lsusb if its usb.. and tell us the 1234:abcd identifier
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• 128[00:41:04] <JarSs> ok... I know it's not USB, it's internal
• 129[00:41:06] <JarSs> does that help?
• 130[00:41:27] <nvz> if the machine is running, and you type lspci -nn it will help if you tell me the vend:prod identifier
• 131[00:41:35] <nvz> will be 8 hex digits seperated by a colon
• 132[00:41:36] <JarSs> ok on sec
• 133[00:41:46] <nvz> the first 4 I could guess
• 134[00:41:53] <nvz> as they'll be the ones for broadcom :P
• 135[00:42:05] <JarSs> command not found
• 136[00:42:16] <JarSs> the path is messed up maybe ?
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• 140[00:45:03] <nvz> its /usr/bin/lspci should work as any user
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• 142[00:45:16] <nvz> and it is also a fairly base command should be on anything
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• 144[00:45:33] <nvz> ,file lspci
• 145[00:45:37] <judd> Search for lspci in buster/amd64: pciutils: usr/bin/lspci; grc: usr/share/grc/conf.lspci; debian-installer: usr/share/doc/debian-installer/devel/hardware/arm/kurobox-pro/info/lspci
• 146[00:45:43] <nvz> ,i pciutils
• 147[00:45:45] <judd> Package pciutils (admin, standard) in buster/amd64: Linux PCI Utilities. Version: 1:3.5.2-1; Size: 272.6k; Installed: 1220k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 148[00:45:57] <nvz> its a standard package, pciutils
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• 151[00:48:06] <JarSs> ok lsipc or lspci
• 152[00:48:22] <JarSs> because I don't have lspci
• 153[00:48:48] <JarSs> lsipc gives me number bot nothing that I see seperated by :
• 154[00:49:06] <JarSs> don't think that's what you mean
• 155[00:49:08] <nvz> yeah its suppose to be lspci
• 156[00:49:22] <nvz> as in the List Peripheral Control Interface
• 157[00:49:33] <nvz> as in tell me what f'n cards are in this motherboard :P
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• 159[00:50:10] <nvz> I can look it up I suppose if its stock and there arent options on which card it can be
• 160[00:50:57] <JarSs> will ip command do any good?
• 161[00:51:19] <nvz> nope
• 162[00:51:30] <JarSs> ok hm
• 163[00:51:33] <nvz> and googling is suggesting these machines came with intel wireless
• 164[00:51:40] <nvz> which means that broadcom pacakge wouldnt help at all
• 165[00:51:51] <JarSs> I can boot into bios maybe? hmm ok I see
• 166[00:51:54] <nvz> you would probably just need firmware for the intel if thats what you have
• 167[00:52:01] <nvz> no, bios wont be of much help either
• 168[00:52:06] <JarSs> let me see
• 169[00:52:13] <nvz> the kernel would have some idea what the card is..
• 170[00:52:25] <nvz> you can read the output of dmesg or journalctl -k
• 171[00:52:33] <nvz> look for mention of wifi or firmware issues
• 172[00:52:48] <nvz> itd be closer to the bottom
• 173[00:54:33] <nvz> btw becomming root in buster changed a bit
• 174[00:54:35] <nvz> !buster su
• 175[00:54:35] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
• 176[00:54:37] <JarSs> ok with grep I can get
• 177[00:55:08] <JarSs> failing to load iwlwifi-7265d-29
• 178[00:55:33] <nvz> yes, then you have intel, the driver is loaded already, you're just missing the firmware for the card
• 179[00:55:46] <nvz> you were totally going the wrong direction with the broadcom thing :P
• 180[00:56:01] <nvz> ,file iwlwifi-7265
• 181[00:56:01] <JarSs> well I came to the right place then :D
• 182[00:56:05] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
• 183[00:56:14] <nvz> ,file iwlwifi-7265d-29.ucode
• 184[00:56:18] <judd> Search for iwlwifi-7265d-29.ucode in buster/amd64: firmware-iwlwifi: lib/firmware/iwlwifi-7265D-29.ucode
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• 186[00:56:44] <nvz> JarSs: you need the firmware-iwlwifi package, for BUSTER
• 187[00:56:49] <nvz> :P
• 188[00:56:59] <nvz> that will not require additional dependencies
• 189[00:57:06] <nvz> its just firmware files
• 190[00:57:44] <JarSs> replaced-url
• 191[00:57:44] <JarSs> ?
• 192[00:59:27] <nvz> thatd be the package page, amd64 download links should be at the bottom
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• 195[00:59:53] <nvz> fwiw you dont exactly have my full attention I'm actively going back and forth to the kitchen making dinenr
• 196[00:59:56] <nvz> heh
• 197[01:00:15] <JarSs> got it
• 198[01:00:17] <JarSs> installed
• 199[01:00:40] <JarSs> says something about o114-2 couldn't be access by user _apt something about permission denied (I ran as sudo)
• 200[01:00:44] <JarSs> I will restart and see.
• 201[01:00:54] <nvz> JarSs: since you seem competent in linux/debian and were fooled by this lemme let you in on a lil secret..
• 202[01:01:09] <nvz> JarSs: don't rely on the onine specs of a company like dell which customizes its machines :P
• 203[01:01:33] <nvz> especially when youre relying on information not from dell even but an outdated walkthrough from a user
• 204[01:02:02] <JarSs> I HAVE INTERNET
• 205[01:02:07] <jhutchins> Manufacturers are contantly changing hardware without updating the specs or the model number.
• 206[01:02:13] <JarSs> nvz: yoo da man
• 207[01:02:17] <JarSs> or woman, I don't know
• 208[01:02:47] <JarSs> ok now the last thing today lol is to figure out why XCFE is running in kiosk mode
• 209[01:02:53] <JarSs> and won't allow me to modify the panel
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• 211[01:03:06] <JarSs> (first lets run apt upgrade)
• 212[01:03:53] <nvz> yes the most reliable means is the pciid number vend:prod of the actual piece of hardware or an error from the kernel like the one you foun
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• 214[01:04:12] <nvz> even the human-readable NAME of hardware is ambiguous often enough
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• 216[01:04:43] <nvz> a Foo Super Card may very well have been produced with numerous different chips on it by numerous different manufacturers and still called the same thing
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• 218[01:06:12] <nvz> and yeah, I da man.. heh.. been around here a long time.. amatures will take problems at face value and not try get at the details and root of an issue
• 219[01:06:33] <nvz> you'd have spent hours trying to get broacom drivers built only to realize you didnt have a broadcom card :P
• 220[01:06:38] * nvz can do all this while cooking sloppy joes :D
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• 222[01:07:42] <nvz> now if only I had a canopener worth a damn
• 223[01:07:58] <JarSs> haha
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• 225[01:08:07] <JarSs> I like this channel. I think I'll keep coming
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• 227[01:08:29] <JarSs> nvz: you in the mood to help me figure out my XCFE issue as well, so I can start using the thing, or no?
• 228[01:08:40] <JarSs> It's ok if not, I milked this channel for help today
• 229[01:08:42] <JarSs> learning a lot though
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• 231[01:08:56] <JarSs> need to save this buffer for future reference
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• 236[01:10:44] <nvz> you should just hang out here.. and at some point I can teach ya the tricks of the trade to doing that.. most of us don't run normal irc clients locally, we leave a client connected remotely at all times
• 237[01:10:58] <nvz> more time you spend here the more you learn.. helps keep ya up to speed on changes too
• 238[01:11:35] <nvz> and fwiw if you ever think to yourself well, most cans have pop tabs now.. I'll just buy this $0.88 mainstays canopener from walmart.. yeah.. dont..
• 239[01:12:56] <nvz> maybe someday I'll learn the ways of being an single adult or get one of those clever wife things..
• 240[01:13:03] <JarSs> nvz I'm running emacs over here but I don't have it running 24/7
• 241[01:13:07] <JarSs> I should though, that's coming around
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• 245[01:18:38] <nvz> heh
• 246[01:19:04] <JarSs> nvz: fixed (the kiok option)
• 247[01:19:10] <JarSs> had to clear the .chache/sessions
• 248[01:19:22] <JarSs> you using XCFE?
• 249[01:19:35] <nvz> no, MATE.. I've used XFCE fairly recently though
• 250[01:19:51] <nvz> its an interesting codebase, but I find it a tad immature yet
• 251[01:20:24] <JarSs> XCFE? immature?
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• 253[01:20:28] <JarSs> isn't it like the older?
• 254[01:20:34] <JarSs> I guess GNOME is actually
• 255[01:20:42] <JarSs> but them MATE is not as mature as XCFE
• 256[01:20:46] <JarSs> unless I have it backwards
• 257[01:21:20] <nvz> MATE is GNOME 2.x
• 258[01:21:34] <nvz> its been around as long as I been here.. under a different name
• 259[01:22:13] <nvz> and in mate, when I change from one dock to another my monitors available configure to their last used setup automatically I dont need to muck with display properties
• 260[01:22:39] <nvz> and while xfce panel has some neat features, the experience is not consistent.. some applets work in rows, others do not.. etc
• 261[01:22:44] <JarSs> hmm. last I saw of MATE was on Mint
• 262[01:22:46] <nvz> it just cramps my flow
• 263[01:22:48] <JarSs> and that was a few years ago
• 264[01:25:14] <nvz> to me XFCE has much the same problem Debian has that our current leader wants to address.. they are growing in features and stuff, but not maturing the user experience across those features
• 265[01:25:23] <nvz> many aspects of XFCE seem half baked
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• 267[01:25:34] <nvz> but there is enough in there to get ya intrigued
• 268[01:27:04] <nvz> it lacks a consistent user friendly experience yet.. teases ya with oh look.. you can make rows of applets on the panel.. but only these certain applets will obey this..
• 269[01:27:52] <JarSs> nvz: that sounds like KDE to me, which is why I wanted to try XCFE
• 270[01:28:30] <JarSs> there's so much crap coming with KDE... I can't even save my wifi password without configuring the KDE wallet (or it keeps forgetting it), and the default browser is some konquor thing I never used
• 271[01:28:30] <nvz> mate however everything feels like it goes together.. doesnt feel like a bunch of projects just thrown together that werent designed to go together
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• 273[01:29:04] <JarSs> KDE for the most part looks good though, in line, it's slick and fast. just hate all the crap they load
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• 280[01:33:52] <nvz> yeah well those backends have always been the bane of KDE and QT apps
• 281[01:34:02] <nvz> making them slow and bulky
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• 284[01:35:08] <nvz> and fwiw maturity doesnt necessarily come with age it comes with experience and reflection, and XFCE wasnt even an option in Debian as long as GNOME/KDE
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• 290[01:48:06] <th_> pcmanfm seems to pass the wrong path when draggin files from it or opening files in other apps
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• 293[01:52:54] <nvz> is it a normal local filesystem or something that requires some gvfsd crap like a fuse, network, or such filesystem?
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• 300[01:59:16] <another> hmm.. i need to start an executable as user on boot which initializes the env. any advice?
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• 303[02:00:24] <PyR3X> another: use systemd
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• 305[02:00:58] <another> any documentation on that?
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• 307[02:01:31] <somiaj> another: don't quite folow, what do you mean by initializes the enviorment? YOu mean your shell?
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• 312[02:05:41] <another> basically run a login shell, eg. source .profile, .bashrc
• 313[02:06:11] <somiaj> you shouldn't have to do this at boot, but when you activate a shell/login.
• 314[02:06:45] <somiaj> how do you login? Depending on how you run a shell ~/.bashrc, or ~/.profile (or ~/.bash_profile) should be parsed already.
• 315[02:08:10] <another> via ssh
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• 317[02:08:36] <somiaj> ssh should be using a login shell and parsing ~/.profile or ~/.bashprofile
• 318[02:09:02] <another> the important point was *on boot*
• 319[02:09:50] <somiaj> I personally have my ~/.profile source ~/.bashrc (But I don't use a shell other than bash)
• 320[02:10:17] <somiaj> on boot doesn't mean much here, shells are setup when they run (not at boot)
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• 322[02:13:05] <somiaj> why do you think you need this at boot? A service not having its enviorment variables setup correctly?
• 323[02:14:02] <another> because i want to start a tmux server as user on boot
• 324[02:14:49] <another> which needs the env already sourced and set up
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• 327[02:19:50] <somiaj> tmux isn't a server. Anyways, what you need this at boot for? minecraft? There are ways to get the unit to setup the enivorment run tmux at boo as a system unit file.
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• 329[02:25:26] <gry> minetest works ok
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• 331[02:25:34] <gry> it is very similar to minecraft
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• 333[02:27:27] <another> 1) tmux does have a server component 2) this has nothing to do with minecraft
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• 337[02:32:15] <somiaj> anyways, you need to configure the systemd unit file and any enviorment variables you need when launching tmux can be configured there.
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• 339[02:33:52] <somiaj> I saw some suggestions in google on how to write said unit file.
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• 346[02:43:07] <another> thank you for your input
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• 599[08:03:55] <independent> replaced-url
• 600[08:04:34] <sney> !kali-magic
• 601[08:04:34] <dpkg> Kali Linux is just an operating system. It does not magically turn you into a hacker. It is also offtopic in #debian. Please fulfill your fantasies in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net. See also <based on debian> and <they don't know>.
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• 604[08:09:33] <nvz> dpkg, what is they don't know?
• 605[08:09:34] <dpkg> We're sorry your distro's channel isn't being helpful, but that doesn't make it appropriate to use #debian for non-Debian questions. Please go back to your channel and wait patiently for better help, or install Debian and party with us.
• 606[08:09:55] <nvz> hmm.. and here I thought it was a song by Jon B on Cool Relax :P
• 607[08:10:18] * nvz wanders off to youtube to play Jon B
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• 611[08:15:29] * nvz fights the urge to modify that factoid to say party with us and Jon B :P
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• 613[08:17:47] <independent> Debian < Kali
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• 616[08:20:16] <sptnx> for pentest i agree. any server i don't agree
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• 618[08:23:26] <sptnx> kali is pretty bloated to have all tools and libs they have, just becuase people is too lazy to install what they need by themself
• 619[08:24:02] <nvz> not to mention as I understand they explicitly say its not a full featured distro meant to be used for learning
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• 622[08:29:14] <sptnx> i'm doing the same when i need a linux desktop, i'm too lazy to install debian and configure gnome/whatever to look nice and be as userfriende as i want, so i install a distro that have that in default install. right now elementary os is my choise for desktop..
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• 624[08:29:46] <sptnx> but for servers debian on everything :D
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• 626[08:31:43] <nvz> its /really/ not that hard to set things up.. and if you get something you like you can always just make your own package that depends on everything you want and maybe tosses your configs in place too or something
• 627[08:32:05] <nvz> or do the same by looking at a preconfigured distro you like and learning what they do that you like
• 628[08:32:36] <nvz> the problem with spinoffs is they dont often have nearly the resources or community behind them that Debian has and that is worth the effort
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• 637[08:42:04] <oiaohm> sptnx and nvz I really wish for desktop setups instead of having to pick between distributions if I could pick between preseed files instead.
• 638[08:42:48] <sptnx> it doesent happen very often i have a linux desktop.. i'm satified with macos as desktop, apple have sucessully made a userfriendly unix distro.
• 639[08:43:42] <sptnx> 2021 - year of the linux desktop? :P
• 640[08:43:50] <n4dir> at least an apple user which knows that it's Unix.
• 641[08:43:56] <n4dir> who
• 642[08:43:59] <sptnx> :P
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• 644[08:44:21] <sptnx> apple have it easy when they only need support for thier own hw
• 645[08:44:38] <oiaohm> I cannot get the performance I need out apple hardware.
• 646[08:45:18] <oiaohm> and I don't like windows. So my desktop is Linux.
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• 648[08:46:20] <sptnx> not even tjhe new mac pro with 28 ores xeon and 1,5tb memory? :)
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• 650[08:46:35] <sptnx> cores*
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• 652[08:47:17] <n4dir> makes me think of the iMac in the living room which is still ppc architecture ...
• 653[08:47:47] <sptnx> soon we have arm in mac
• 654[08:47:53] <n4dir> yes?
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• 669[08:48:08] <sptnx> they should put in amd instead
• 670[08:48:27] <n4dir> well: i ain't got the money anyway. If someone gives me one for free, i take it and look what i can do with it. Which usually is Linux or *BSD*
• 671[08:48:32] <sptnx> yeah apple put thier ipad-cpu in new macbookpro
• 672[08:48:43] <sptnx> no more x86
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• 695[08:50:18] <n4dir> were they also able to upgrade bash (in the meantime) ?
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• 700[08:52:19] <wikan> I have very tricky and not easy question probably
• 701[08:53:12] <wikan> generaly I use i3 window manager. I am saing this because I use i3's exec_always command to run autostart scripts.
• 702[08:54:03] <wikan> so, I have 6 scripts. 5 of them look like "bash file" and one command is "xrdb -merge file"
• 703[08:54:45] <wikan> and exactly xrdb command doesn't work everytime. Maybe 4 times of 5. So I have no clue why xrdb doesn't merge.
• 704[08:55:04] <somiaj> why do you need to run 'bash file', i3 should already be running in a shell and not need to launch bash seperatally, maybe just use 'exec' or 'soruce'
• 705[08:55:27] <somiaj> wikan: maybe a race condition, but personally I would put that inside your session file, what do you use to run i3?
• 706[08:56:01] <wikan> somiaj well... probably slim
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• 708[08:56:25] <wikan> probably because here is slim and as I think I use slim on all machines
• 709[08:56:53] <somiaj> wikan: do you use the xsession that comes with i3, or ~/.xsession (which is what I use)?
• 710[08:57:12] <wikan> and because you asked me why "bash file"... well sorry I use just "file.sh" because all files have executable flags
• 711[08:57:41] <wikan> somiaj: I have no idea
• 712[08:57:46] <somiaj> wikan: okay, I just though you were launching another shell when you didn't really need to or could use 'exec' or 'source' instead
• 713[08:57:51] <somiaj> wikan: replaced-url
• 714[08:57:52] <wikan> I use different oses
• 715[08:58:32] <wikan> some oseses read .Xresources other .Xdefaults :|
• 716[08:58:33] <somiaj> wikan: anyways, if you choose the 'default' session you should be able to use ~/.xsession and have it runa bunch of commands before running i3, or you can use ~/.xsessionrc, and that will get parsed before running the window manager
• 717[08:58:52] <wikan> dunno what debian use and I didn't check because I need -merge command
• 718[08:58:57] <somiaj> I found sharing $HOME between different oses a pain when I tried it once, just due to conflicting versions of software.
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• 720[08:59:05] <wikan> i need to merge because it is not only startup script
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• 722[08:59:45] <wikan> it starts when I reset i3. I reset i3 when I change themes for example. So I need xterm to remerge
• 723[08:59:58] <somiaj> anyways, maybe the i3 support could help out, but in debian you could run a lot of these from a custom ~/.xsession or ~/.xsessionrc as per the wiki as opposed to i3 launching things. But the i3 people maybe able to better explain why the startup scripts aren't always being honored.
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• 725[09:00:35] <wikan> cool, asked on xorg and i3 too ;)
• 726[09:00:58] <wikan> sunday ;)
• 727[09:01:15] <timur_davletshin> BTW, is it possible to run Xorg + Nvidia proprietary driver without root permission?
• 728[09:01:16] <somiaj> ahh, well be areful about cross-posting to much.
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• 730[09:01:30] <somiaj> timur_davletshin: after you install it as root.
• 731[09:01:50] <timur_davletshin> somiaj, are you sure?
• 732[09:01:50] <wikan> asked here because I was wonder maybe there is a bug you know about ;)
• 733[09:01:55] <somiaj> timur_davletshin: debian even (if you use startx and not a display manager) has a non setuid xorg, that will run completely as the user.
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• 736[09:02:09] <somiaj> timur_davletshin: yes, I've ran xorg + nvidia + using non-setuid xorg for a while.
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• 738[09:02:44] <timur_davletshin> somiaj, checked Debian Stable on old laptop and it runs in root…
• 739[09:02:50] <somiaj> wikan: it sounds like some race condition, or make sure you are running it in the actual shell that i3 is using to ensure everything is updated.
• 740[09:03:03] <somiaj> timur_davletshin: are you using a display manager or startx?
• 741[09:03:10] <somiaj> also are you using the xorg-legacy packages or not?
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• 743[09:03:31] <timur_davletshin> somiaj, default Gnome desktop installation.
• 744[09:04:00] <sptnx> n4dir: i use zsh in macos :)
• 745[09:04:30] <somiaj> that still didn't answer my question, also default gnome waylend..but anyways, if you have a graphical login, then you are running a display manager, and the display manager runs xorg as root
• 746[09:04:37] <somiaj> !xorg root
• 747[09:04:37] <dpkg> From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards (xorg-server 1.17.3-1), the Xorg server is no longer setuid root, reducing the risk of privilege escalation security problems. This relies on logind and libpam-systemd and moves the logs to ~/.local/share/xorg; use the xserver-xorg-legacy package and see Xwrapper.config(5) if you'd rather a setuid root X.
• 748[09:04:50] <timur_davletshin> somiaj, wayland + nvidia?
• 749[09:04:57] <oiaohm> sptnx: I have threadripper and epic systems.
• 750[09:04:58] <timur_davletshin> It's not working.
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• 752[09:05:20] <somiaj> but if you disable the display manager and run xorg using 'startx' it won't run as root, which has been the standard since stretch.
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• 754[09:07:11] <timur_davletshin> I start it from GDM.
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• 756[09:07:48] <somiaj> gdm is your display manager which is running as root, if you don't want to run as root use startx (I'm not quite sure how gdm passes things off to xorg, but I think it is already running xorg as root)
• 757[09:07:49] <timur_davletshin> Meanwhile nouveau starts in userspace.
• 758[09:08:01] <somiaj> how did you install the nvidia driver?
• 759[09:08:06] <timur_davletshin> GDM doesn't run from root.
• 760[09:08:14] <timur_davletshin> It has his own user.
• 761[09:08:23] <n4dir> sptnx: that doesn't really answer my question.
• 762[09:08:31] <timur_davletshin> somiaj, official repos.
• 763[09:08:48] <somiaj> ahh, I don't keep up on what display managers do as I don't use them
• 764[09:08:53] <somiaj> timur_davletshin: clarify that, what offical repos?
• 765[09:09:18] <somiaj> the debian packages should have blacklisted nouveau, so I don't see why it should be loading if you used the debian packages.
• 766[09:09:37] <timur_davletshin> deb.debian.org :)
• 767[09:10:12] <timur_davletshin> main contrib non-free - if you're interested.
• 768[09:11:30] <oiaohm> sptnx: do note threadripper single core performance in most cases is faster than the Xeon that is in the apple pro. So the 32 core thread ripper kicks tail and you have 64 core version on top of that. Yes the 32 core threadripper released at the time the current apple pro was released kicked it tail.
• 769[09:11:34] <somiaj> well it should work, and I have used the nvidia drivers and startx running fully as my user just fine. I don't understand why nouveau is loading at all, the debian packages should proerply blacklist it
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• 771[09:12:58] <timur_davletshin> somiaj, forget about nouveau. It works only before you enable non-free and install proprietary driver.
• 772[09:14:30] <somiaj> correct, nouveu is going to be the default, but once you install the non-free drivers, then it is black listed. I'm not quite sure on the details about how gdm passes things to the user when it runs, but debian's xorg is not setuid root anymore, so if you use startx instead, it will be fully as your user.
• 773[09:15:09] <timur_davletshin> somiaj, OK, leave it. I assume it as a normal operation with GDM/KDM. Not a big deal.
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• 775[09:15:26] <timur_davletshin> somiaj, true, no suid bit anymore.
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• 884[11:26:01] <jelly> Nokaji, leaving just one channel leaves the others unchanged, though; that's why I asked
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• 894[11:31:51] <Deknos> hey, is there some unix tool which prints out certain ipv4/6 network prefixes? like something like giveme -4 -localnetwork -cidrformat? it's not a big task building that myself, but i somehow suspect someone already did that
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• 897[11:35:55] <b1ack0p> hi there
• 898[11:36:07] <b1ack0p> is there a non free firmware for old ati radeon x1400 gpus?
• 899[11:38:20] <jelly> Deknos, ipcalc ?
• 900[11:39:02] <jelly> unsure what the tool would do specifically, from your description
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• 902[11:42:25] <Deknos> that one sounds quite right. i will investigate it
• 903[11:43:09] <Deknos> hum, i calculates effective adresses, but only for ipv4
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• 909[11:48:07] <Deknos> but since for example network prefixes for certain netclasses for ipv6 seemed to change at the beginning of ipv6 it would be nice having a tool which outputs that
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• 917[11:54:00] <unborn> black0
• 918[11:54:28] <unborn> b1ack0p: no.. sorry.
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• 920[11:54:39] <b1ack0p> wat
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• 922[11:54:46] <b1ack0p> no what?
• 923[11:55:07] <unborn> b1ack0p: old ati radeon x1400 gpus....
• 924[11:56:08] <b1ack0p> so?
• 925[11:56:20] <yann-kaelig> Hi. I'm configuring a bridge interface and I would like to know if there is something similar to USERCTL option from redhat ( users are/are not allowed to control this device. ) or if I can do something similar on Debian ?
• 926[11:56:23] <b1ack0p> i installed ati-amd firmware and issue is gone
• 927[11:56:45] <jelly> !win b1ack0p
• 928[11:56:45] <dpkg> Congratulations, b1ack0p! You have won the US presidency!
• 929[11:56:46] <unborn> b1ack0p: then why question posted here then?
• 930[11:57:11] <b1ack0p> :p
• 931[11:57:13] <jelly> it's the best users who solve their own issue
• 932[11:57:21] <b1ack0p> am i now the new Trump? lol
• 933[11:57:23] <unborn> b1ack0p: troll
• 934[11:57:34] <b1ack0p> unborn: i am not troll
• 935[11:57:44] <b1ack0p> i got the answer in ##linux
• 936[11:57:48] <b1ack0p> before here
• 937[11:57:59] <b1ack0p> so i asked in both place
• 938[11:58:04] <jelly> unborn, no reason to get antagonistic
• 939[11:58:19] <b1ack0p> i mean they suggested it maybe debian non free thingy
• 940[11:58:23] <b1ack0p> i asked here
• 941[11:58:29] <jelly> it's all fine
• 942[11:58:30] <b1ack0p> then i googled and found the firmware package then installed
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• 944[11:58:58] <unborn> jelly its been solved back in a days.. gentoo times :) however its not within debian nor ubuntu.. light years away.. perhaps you right I was antagonistic a bit too much.. sorry b1ack0p .. so your issue is solved right?
• 945[11:59:18] <b1ack0p> it is ok
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• 949[11:59:32] <b1ack0p> yea warning in dmesg is gone after firmware install and reboot
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• 952[12:01:49] <unborn> great!
• 953[12:03:50] <b1ack0p> :p
• 954[12:04:13] <b1ack0p> jelly then i will make america great again :p
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• 956[12:05:17] <jelly> they need someone to do that
• 957[12:05:27] <b1ack0p> they already have someone lol
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• 960[12:05:46] <jelly> doing a very, very bad job
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• 962[12:06:26] <unborn> 100yrs ago they should done it.. maga is gone and usa is gone.. here we talk about debian.. usa is somewhere in different galaxy..
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• 964[12:06:39] <unborn> no politics, just code
• 965[12:07:04] <unborn> pls
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• 967[12:08:30] <b1ack0p> sudo apt purge trump :p
• 968[12:08:33] <b1ack0p> fine? lol
• 969[12:08:48] <b1ack0p> well anyway other candidates are not also different than him :p
• 970[12:08:51] <unborn> i use su :D
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• 972[12:09:38] <unborn> of course they are not - as I mentioned usa is gone. anyway back to topic.
• 973[12:09:41] <b1ack0p> ok then you can remove him as su - :p
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• 982[12:14:46] <unborn> jelly I have bash which monitors my ip, when ip is changed - I would like to replace it within server via ssh - as root I can do this, then reboot my bind - do I need to use dns keys or I can just apply my bash ? obviously I am looking for proper solution and dns sec keys seems to be messy crap... whats your opinion? at least I am here making those pointless comments to jon doe kid - I should ask you...please if you have time - advice. massive thanks.
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• 984[12:16:48] <unborn> - also I know its out of topic.. but by any chance..
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• 986[12:21:32] <unborn> jelly: its so obvious, sorry to even mention you. - it worked as designed while I do manage my dns on my own. - problem solved. sorry to bother you. have great day.
• 987[12:21:58] * unborn meh its working as in plan :)
• 988[12:23:41] <unborn> I have wrote my dyndns based on isp...... what a thingy
• 989[12:24:33] <unborn> - and I was put on mute, no one reads me :D - well that's great
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• 996[12:31:53] <jelly> you solved it already, but nsupdate is a thing
• 997[12:33:00] <unborn> thanks.. yeah nsupdate is messy 'a thing' but it works for some people.
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• 999[12:34:23] <unborn> you can unmute me jelly - as usually I will beehive properly and stay quiet in corner :) - thank you. have good day.
• 1000[12:36:15] <jelly> you're not muted
• 1001[12:36:52] <jelly> (you never were, not in months I thinks)
• 1002[12:37:50] <ratrace> jelly: who are you talking to?
• 1003[12:38:19] <unborn> jelly normally they do when I ask question. I ain't speak here for about 9 months just sometime when it was so obvious someone had to said politely that he is doing wrong..
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• 1008[12:40:17] <unborn> jelly really? :) nice try... well some things never change in this channel.. its okay, the quieter I've become about debian the more a hear and learn, even ratrace cannot read me, never mind.. I - was trying to be help-full?
• 1009[12:40:45] <jelly> !slap ratrace
• 1010[12:40:46] * dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across ratrace's face
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• 1016[12:49:05] <ratrace> Owie!
• 1017[12:49:19] <ratrace> unborn: I was just kidding.
• 1018[12:50:00] <flayer> this is weird
• 1019[12:50:17] <n4dir> tell me about it ...
• 1020[12:50:32] <unborn> ratrace: you seen my messages here? all a long ? I was really not muted? *usually I was twat here really bad one in past*
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• 1022[12:51:49] <unborn> i really though I was muted... strange, however you are op.. means you possibly can read unread etc..
• 1023[12:52:23] <unborn> flayer: it is even for me. never mind back to topic guys
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• 1028[12:54:37] <unborn> jelly, if that's true, my sincerely deeply apologies and still valid thingy, the quieter I've become the better me!
• 1029[12:55:09] <unborn> clear
• 1030[12:55:12] <unborn> meh
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• 1032[12:55:36] <ratrace> if you were muted you wouldn't be able to post to the channel at all. there's no shadow ban on freenode afaik.
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• 1062[13:47:47] <linearain> hi, could someone help me boot after replacing the motherboard? Getting "Gave up waiting for root file system device..." "ALERT UUID=... does not exist."
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• 1065[13:49:31] <ratrace> linearain: what kind of rootfs was it? filesystem? lvm? mdadm? fakeraid? hardware raid?
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• 1067[13:53:20] <linearain> ratrace, it was ext4 filesystem on debian buster
• 1068[13:54:09] <linearain> also before replacing the mobo i did "swapoff -a", maybe that messed up the UUIDs?
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• 1078[14:04:25] <ratrace> linearain: doubtful. I've never heard of filesystem changing UUID when motherboard changes, unless that UUID was not of filesystem itself but a hardware/fakeraid device or something. It's possible network interface name changes, nvme devices change, but not filesystem.
• 1079[14:05:19] <linearain> ratrace, it also says:
• 1080[14:05:21] <linearain> - Boot args (cat /proc/cmdline)
• 1081[14:05:21] <linearain> - Check rootdelay= (did the system wait long ehough?)
• 1082[14:05:21] <linearain> - Missing modules (cat /proc/modules: ls /dev)
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• 1084[14:06:38] <linearain> where do i set rootdelay when i am at graphical grub? when i press 'e' to edit theres a ton of lines
• 1085[14:07:12] <ratrace> linearain: on the vmlinuz line. was/is this an EFI system?
• 1086[14:07:22] <jhutchins> linearain: Does the BIOS on the new motherboard actually see the drive at the correct address?
• 1087[14:07:23] <linearain> yes, both motherboards are older
• 1088[14:07:47] <linearain> the motherboard does show the name of the drive, what do you mean by address?
• 1089[14:08:20] <linearain> wait i will try to find the address
• 1090[14:08:26] <jelly> linearain, boot a linux livecd, pastebin lsblk output, tell us where the root fs is (supposed to be)
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• 1093[14:09:51] <linearain> ok
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• 1096[14:11:11] <linearain> jhutchins, i cant find an address in the bios just the drive name
• 1097[14:11:43] <jelly> if the drivers are significantly different, initrd might have to be recreated
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• 1100[14:13:08] <jhutchins> linearain: Yeah, it's not an address, it's like drive1, drive2, and we want to be sure it's 1, and that it's selected as first in the boot order.
• 1101[14:13:31] <linearain> jhutchins, i got only 1 drive in the system
• 1102[14:13:46] <jhutchins> jelly: I really wouldn't expect any differences in SATA drivers.
• 1103[14:14:33] <linearain> new mobo is SiS chipset, previous was Intel
• 1104[14:14:44] <ratrace> efi trusted boot not passing required params to the kernel?
• 1105[14:15:10] <ratrace> %s/trusted/secure/
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• 1126[14:34:26] <shtrb> Is there a problem with deb.debian.org today ? I'm getting some crazy slow update speed today from it.
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• 1129[14:35:12] <ratrace> isn't that just DNS redirector?
• 1130[14:35:22] <shtrb> I had checked on two different machines (each on it's own network connection) and both getting only ~70kbps downspeed
• 1131[14:35:35] <shtrb> ratrace, I thought it was a CDN service
• 1132[14:36:39] <ratrace> getting 10MBps here
• 1133[14:37:47] <shtrb> That is what I normally expect :-(
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• 1135[14:38:01] * shtrb got a special service today :-(
• 1136[14:38:18] <oiaohm> shtrb: luck of the draw.
• 1137[14:38:34] <oiaohm> Not all debian mirrors are the best performing.
• 1138[14:38:49] <shtrb> today specifically ? or on general ?
• 1139[14:39:30] <linearain> jelly, i booted into livecd, lsblk doesnt seem to find my root fs :/
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• 1144[14:47:50] <linearain> after booting a live image, fdisk does not show my drive where my os is installed
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• 1146[14:48:27] <ratrace> linearain: try reseating the sata cables, or try another sata port, there's likely more than one
• 1147[14:49:03] <ratrace> also please pastebin journalctl -b -k -p err
• 1148[14:49:05] <ratrace> !paste
• 1149[14:49:05] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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• 1153[14:49:54] <linearain> im trying a different sata port. But i cant see how it could be a problem since i do get to grub
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• 1155[14:50:33] <ratrace> linearain: also please paste blkid run as root
• 1156[14:50:39] <linearain> ok
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• 1161[14:58:23] <linearain> ratrace, replaced-url
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• 1163[14:58:53] <linearain> lsblk shoows loop0 and sda which is the usb stick with live image
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• 1169[15:02:23] <linearain> oh sorry you said blkid
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• 1173[15:08:33] <linearain> blkid replaced-url
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• 1180[15:12:04] <ratrace> linearain: well that's really weird. check BIOS that there's no some funny setting about the drives. thta's what, an ssd? hdd? also please paste journalctl -b -k | grep " sd "
• 1181[15:12:15] <linearain> ssd
• 1182[15:12:55] <linearain> so what could cause the grub to load but the root fileystem not being found? i will do that 1 minute
• 1183[15:13:44] <ratrace> bootloader is executed directly bios. it's possible faulty bios could do that, but then initramfs and kernel can't get correct data from bios
• 1184[15:13:50] <ratrace> directly *from bios
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• 1187[15:14:42] <linearain> i used to boot from hdd on this same mobo just fine, even once installed very same debian like the one on the ssd
• 1188[15:14:52] <ratrace> "Gave up waiting for root filesystem device" is kernel/initramfs issue, way after grub's done its work
• 1189[15:15:27] <linearain> ratrace, so does that mean my ssd is not damaged at least?
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• 1191[15:15:38] <ratrace> linearain: no idea
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• 1194[15:17:07] <ratrace> since bootloader code is started, I'd assume the ssd is functional enough to allow /boot be found and kernel+initramfs loaded. by that logic, even if ssd is faulty, it should at least register as a blokc device, or maybe not if it's a cascade of issues.
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• 1198[15:20:11] <linearain> replaced-url
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• 1200[15:21:50] <ratrace> linearain: well whatever the cause, the kernel isn't registering your ssd at all, assuming sda is not it. so to be 100% sure, that's a sata ssd, not nvme?
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• 1208[15:27:35] <gribouille> hi
• 1209[15:28:22] <shtrb> Did anything happen with debian-solar in the end ? any mailing list or channel ?
• 1210[15:28:41] <linearain> ratrace, its a sata ssd
• 1211[15:28:44] <shtrb> sorry wrong channel
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• 1214[15:29:39] <gribouille> smartctl --scan says I must use the option -d scsi for all my three disks ; smartctl -i /dev/sdb says that the drive is SATA. is it normal?
• 1215[15:29:40] <ratrace> linearain: have another disk to try? try eliminate variables one by one. if it's faulty disk, maybe another will work. if it doesn't, then maybe the sata controler or bios are at fault...
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• 1217[15:31:07] <linearain> ratrace, the last time this ssd was running on a previous motherboard, i did swapoff -a, could that have messed up the UUIDs in the master boot record?
• 1218[15:31:29] <ratrace> linearain: no, and you don't have an issue with UUIDs, you have an issue with no disk being visible to the kernel
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• 1229[15:40:17] <linearain> ratrace, the original motherboard was very old, didnt evne have ahci possibly, this one is a bit newer, maybe i need to load a certain module?
• 1230[15:40:30] <linearain> for ide or something
• 1231[15:42:23] <ratrace> well, iirc the kernel does old ATA support through SATA/SCSI, but I'm not really sure, it's been many years since I had to work with ide.
• 1232[15:42:49] <ratrace> linearain: see if there's a /dev/hda or /dev/hdb device or something like that, or if hda/hdb is mentioned in the journal
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• 1234[15:45:35] <linearain> ratrace, there isnt. dmesg says ata3.00: qc timeout (cmd 0xec), ata3.00: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x4)
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• 1238[15:47:42] <ratrace> linearain: ah, right, forgot about ata* log entries. indeed, there's something wrogn with the disc or BIOS
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• 1242[15:49:01] <gribouille> how can I use smart to check an external usb disk?
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• 1245[15:49:47] <ratrace> gribouille: smartctl -a /dev/sdb or whatever the device actually is
• 1246[15:50:09] <linearain> how do i load ahci module at grub?
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• 1248[15:50:51] <gribouille> ratrace, I get /dev/sde: Unknown USB bridge [0x0bc2:0x61b5 (0x1402)]
• 1249[15:51:02] <ratrace> linearain: ideally you don't, but grub-mkconfig (run by update-grub) autodetects. problem here is autodetection, the kernel from livecd can't see the drive
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• 1260[16:11:28] <tomreyn> gribouille: try with -d sat
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• 1262[16:12:25] <gribouille> tomreyn, ok, it works
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• 1264[16:13:57] <tomreyn> good
• 1265[16:14:20] <tomreyn> you could report this to the smartmontools folks
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• 1268[16:15:32] <tomreyn> replaced-url
• 1269[16:15:53] <tomreyn> your seagate device is not listed there, yet
• 1270[16:16:06] <gribouille> tomreyn, it was alrady reported here: replaced-url
• 1271[16:17:13] <tomreyn> gribouille: they didn't discuss which usb bridge it is, though
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• 1273[16:18:26] <gribouille> tomreyn, does it matter?
• 1274[16:19:08] <tomreyn> yes, because this listing uses usb bridges as an identifier, and to tell people which options to use wiuth this bridge.
• 1275[16:19:40] <tomreyn> if oyu don't know the bridge, you can only guess how to communicate with the drive, and it won't work out of the box, like it was for you.
• 1276[16:20:21] <gribouille> tomreyn, you can search google with the model number
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• 1278[16:20:33] <tomreyn> gribouille: thank you.
• 1279[16:21:48] <gribouille> I if juse the wrong value for -d, can it harm the disk?
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• 1288[16:28:18] <genr8_> no
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• 1312[16:54:25] <GrayGhost> i deleted and reinstall the partition EFi to make it larger and now debian will not boot to Gnome
• 1313[16:54:59] <GrayGhost> because it errors with a message cat find uuid of the old EFI partition
• 1314[16:55:13] <GrayGhost> cat = Can't
• 1315[16:55:49] <GrayGhost> is that old uuid save in fstab ?
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• 1326[17:00:35] <tomreyn> GrayGhost: the old uuid is probably present in fstab, as well as in the initrd, and has changed when you resized the efi system partition.
• 1327[17:00:52] <tomreyn> (i mean replaced rather than resized.)
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• 1329[17:01:40] <GrayGhost> tomreyn: so I need to change it in both places ?
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• 1331[17:01:49] <tomreyn> yes
• 1332[17:02:01] <tomreyn> first of all, find out which partition contains your efi system partition (it may well be /dev/sda1).
• 1333[17:02:45] <GrayGhost> I have the new uuid ... so I will just change it in the two places
• 1334[17:02:58] <tomreyn> the run blkid against it, and copy this UUID to the respective line in fstab, replacing the old one. then run update-initramfs -k $(uname -r) -u
• 1335[17:03:34] <tomreyn> okay you can skip blkid if you have the new uuid already
• 1336[17:04:18] <GrayGhost> whare is initrd file located ?
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• 1339[17:06:52] <tomreyn> GrayGhost: it is generated by the command i provided, then stored in /boot/
• 1340[17:07:31] <jhutchins> GrayGhost: It is not directly editable.
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• 1343[17:09:19] <GrayGhost> tomreyn: do I need to be running the debian os to run the update command , or can I do it from a different linux os
• 1344[17:09:48] <GrayGhost> I can boot to mint now ... I cant get to debian
• 1345[17:11:03] <tomreyn> GrayGhost: you should either run it from the system if it still boots and mounts file systems (what you said so far sounded like it does), or use a similar linux system, then chroot mount into the existing installation and run it then.
• 1346[17:11:19] <tomreyn> the latter is a more difficult.
• 1347[17:11:57] <GrayGhost> the debian will boot to a repair promppt
• 1348[17:12:02] <jhutchins> The general process to do the chroot is here:
• 1349[17:12:09] <jhutchins> !fixgrub
• 1350[17:12:10] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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• 1352[17:12:39] <jhutchins> Obviously, you're not reinstalling grub, but that will get you a chroot you can work with.
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• 1355[17:13:42] <GrayGhost> thanks for the help
• 1356[17:14:01] <tomreyn> i'd do it from the recovery menu / root prompt it boots to now
• 1357[17:14:28] <tomreyn> it's a lot easier and less can go wrong
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• 1359[17:16:03] <GrayGhost> so at the recovery prompt : update-initramfs -k $(uname -r) -u
• 1360[17:16:42] <GrayGhost> inserting my uname ?
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• 1364[17:22:31] <os_> GrayGohst, it will automatically subsituted by your linux version
• 1365[17:22:44] <os_> he went away
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• 1368[17:25:53] <jelly> linearain, that's weird, is the current montherboard perhaps a very new model or a very old model (10+ years?)
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• 1370[17:26:33] <jelly> linearain, care to pastebin the output of "lspci -nn" to see what kind of ATA controller you might have
• 1371[17:28:02] <GrayGhost> it booted to debian with just the change to fstab ... so I should run the update command ?
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• 1377[17:32:16] <GrayGhost> mhc@debian:~$ update-initramfs -k $(uname -r) -u
• 1378[17:32:16] <GrayGhost> bash: update-initramfs: command not found
• 1379[17:32:16] <GrayGhost> mhc@debian:~$
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• 1385[17:40:03] <tomreyn> oops, missed
• 1386[17:40:19] <linearain> jelly, the old motherboard is intel d865perl, 32-bit only cpu with hyperthreaing so the kernel is SMP, the new one is intel d201gly2 with SiS chipset
• 1387[17:40:37] <linearain> old one is 2003~, newer one is 2007~
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• 1389[17:41:01] <linearain> d201gly2 has a single core 64-bit capable cpu but the os is obviously 32-bit
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• 1392[17:42:31] <linearain> from what i googled these things i mentioned, going from 32-bit to 64-bit and from smp to no smp caused similar disk discovery issues
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• 1394[17:43:22] <linearain> im sure os reinstall would fix all this but im not willing to reinstall it right now
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• 1404[17:57:14] <cybrNaut> i can't unzip this file from Roku: replaced-url
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• 1406[17:57:35] <GrayGhost> I got debian to boot finaly ... but it is very long boot time
• 1407[17:57:39] <cybrNaut> is there an alternate zip tool that uses a different lib than the standard zip tool?
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• 1409[17:59:58] <shtrb> cybrNaut, 7z ?
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• 1412[18:03:00] <cybrNaut> shtrb: thanks for the tip.. i'll try that next, but it appears my problem is that the link is actually html
• 1413[18:03:41] <shtrb> cybrNaut, that could also damage zip files :D
• 1414[18:05:14] <cybrNaut> yup.. it was a misleading link.. I trusted the extension and used wget. After visiting the "zip" webpage the real zip was therein.
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• 1439[18:23:22] <oxek> welcome to modern internet, where URLs are meaningless
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• 1441[18:24:08] <GrayGhost> how do I diagnose a long boot time ?
• 1442[18:24:46] <oxek> systemd-analyze; systemd-analyze blame
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• 1444[18:29:06] <GrayGhost> replaced-url
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• 1454[18:31:54] <oxek> under 1 min? Don't worry about it.
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• 1457[18:33:40] <GrayGhost> this is from systemd-analyze: Startup finished in 6.170s (firmware) + 3.800s (loader) + 34.855s (kernel) + 3min 743ms (userspace) = 3min 45.569s
• 1458[18:34:20] <GrayGhost> allmost 4 min
• 1459[18:34:54] <lupulo> GrayGhost you could prepare a coffee while booting
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• 1461[18:35:17] <GrayGhost> lol .. I did that .. it did not help any
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• 1463[18:36:38] <GrayGhost> breakfast blend with a little cream :)
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• 1466[18:41:38] <somiaj> GrayGhost: what version of debian are you running?
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• 1471[18:47:29] <yann-kaelig> Hi. I have installed the quota package, configured /etc/default/quota but when I execute rpcinfo -p I do not see rquotad. Any ide what I missed ?
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• 1473[18:47:49] <GrayGhost> buster 10 gnome
• 1474[18:47:54] <Vizva> the cp command to write usb does not longer worlk?
• 1475[18:49:36] <somiaj> GrayGhost: Just courious, saw someone in testing having issues with plymouth, which I noticed was taking a long time.
• 1476[18:49:53] <somiaj> Vizva: it should, what was the exact command you ran, are you coppying an image to the device, or a file onto the file system?
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• 1478[18:51:02] <Vizva> cp file.iso /dev/sdd ; sync
• 1479[18:51:31] <somiaj> what is this file.iso? that will write that file to the device directly, but not all .iso's can be written that way.
• 1480[18:51:34] <Vizva> a windows iso but the output was ufs
• 1481[18:51:45] <GrayGhost> replaced-url
• 1482[18:51:58] <Vizva> i did before and it work , some months ago
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• 1484[18:52:17] <somiaj> window's .iso might not be directly, but you may have to ask in ##windows about how to best get an .iso onto a usb
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• 1486[18:53:00] <somiaj> Vizva: anyways, that is writting the .iso directly to the usb, if the driver is useful afterwards totally depends on the .iso image used, and windows.iso are out of the scope of debian
• 1487[18:53:09] <GrayGhost> it was booting up in about 20 sec. ... now 4 min
• 1488[18:53:48] <somiaj> GrayGhost: well the first thing you linked didn't show anything to crazy, plymouth seemed to take a bit of time (though I guess I don't need some fancy boot screen so I see it as extra)
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• 1490[18:55:50] <somiaj> GrayGhost: and this is the time to get to the graphical login screen, or are you including the time to log into gnome from the display manager in this?
• 1491[18:55:54] <yann-kaelig> really weird, journactl -u quotarpc.service output the service succeeded but systemctl status quotarpc show Active: inactive (dead)
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• 1493[18:57:14] <GrayGhost> somiaj, that is just to the login screen
• 1494[18:57:43] <somiaj> GrayGhost: well maybe try this, change from graphical.target to multi-user.target and see if you have the same issue
• 1495[18:57:44] <GrayGhost> from there it is very quick
• 1496[18:58:30] <GrayGhost> somiaj, how would i do that ?
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• 1502[19:03:41] <lupulo> GrayGhost your graphical login is xdm?
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• 1504[19:05:22] <Vizva> thx
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• 1506[19:05:56] <GrayGhost> Gnome
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• 1515[19:09:52] <lupulo> GrayGhost i ask about display manager
• 1516[19:09:57] <somiaj> GrayGhost: there are two basic ways, one is you can hit e during boot time and add the option 'systemd.unit=multi-user.target' to boot using that once
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• 1518[19:10:20] <somiaj> GrayGhost: the other is run 'systemctl set-default multi-user.target'
• 1519[19:10:30] <somiaj> lupulo: most likely they are running gdm3 if using gnome.
• 1520[19:11:14] <somiaj> GrayGhost: this will disable boot into a graphical system, and if this is fast, the issue is loading gdm
• 1521[19:13:42] <lupulo> GrayGhost replaced-url
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• 1527[19:16:35] <gribouille> hi again
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• 1529[19:17:07] <gribouille> I did a SMART test with smartctl -d ata -t long /dev/sdb ; how can I get the result?
• 1530[19:17:15] <dw1> smartctl -a /dev/sdb
• 1531[19:17:24] <dw1> where would i place this systemd .service file to enable it? replaced-url
• 1532[19:17:42] <dw1> i want to unmount my encrypted home dir on logout
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• 1535[19:18:21] <somiaj> dw1: local unit files go in /etc/systemd/system/
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• 1543[19:21:06] <dw1> #1 is the last test result
• 1544[19:21:28] <gribouille> I have # 1 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 52800
• 1545[19:21:41] <dw1> good
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• 1547[19:22:05] <gribouille> dw1, does it mean that the drive is sound?
• 1548[19:22:22] <dw1> yeah
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• 1551[19:23:25] <dw1> and youre at 6 yeras operation time
• 1552[19:23:35] <dw1> so i would keep backups.. :P
• 1553[19:24:12] <dw1> just in case
• 1554[19:24:33] <gribouille> dw1, done
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• 1556[19:26:18] <gribouille> dw1, when I run smartctl -x /dev/sdb, I get the following mesage in /var/log/kern.log: ata6.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x6 frozen ...
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• 1558[19:28:42] <dw1> actually i dont know how to interpret the results
• 1559[19:29:10] <dw1> that Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds section might be the current status
• 1560[19:29:19] <dw1> and on my 7 year old drive... theyre all pretty bad
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• 1563[19:29:53] <dw1> i just ran a test earlier today
• 1564[19:29:56] <gribouille> dw1, what results? the SMART results or the kernel mesage?
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• 1566[19:30:11] <dw1> for the first time in a long time
• 1567[19:30:36] <dw1> all mine say Pre-fail, Old-age etc
• 1568[19:30:42] <dw1> not optimal prob :p
• 1569[19:31:16] <dw1> also it runs like crap
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• 1571[19:32:00] <gribouille> dw1, does it say "Completed without error" too?
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• 1573[19:32:06] <dw1> yes
• 1574[19:32:29] <gribouille> does it says that your drive is good or not?
• 1575[19:32:49] <dw1> pre-fail isnt encouraging
• 1576[19:33:17] <dw1> replaced-url
• 1577[19:33:52] <dw1> guess i should replace it :/
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• 1580[19:35:09] <dw1> though my reallocated is actually 0
• 1581[19:35:22] <gribouille> I have Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036 Pre-fail Always - 2
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• 1583[19:36:09] <dw1> that guy claims "Anything other than a zero raw value is a potential problem"
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• 1586[19:37:26] <dw1> should prob find a better explanation of each of those results
• 1587[19:37:26] <gribouille> is possible to test several disks at the same time?
• 1588[19:37:39] <dw1> i woudl think so since the tests are run by the disks themselves
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• 1598[19:43:17] <gribouille> In a test result, I have 23 for LifeTime(hours)
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• 1602[19:46:46] <bolt> reallocated sectors used to be an issue
• 1603[19:46:53] <bolt> now some disks seem to do it even when they're healthy
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• 1605[19:48:42] <bolt> That said, it's something that worries me, so i grab disks like the "ironwolf pro" series that don't do that shit. They still use "Raw_Read_Error_Rate" as a random number generator, however, which also annoys me. Manual reading of SMART values is going out the window.
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• 1607[19:48:57] <bolt> In general, if short and long tests succeed, your drives are likely fine.
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• 1617[19:58:15] <sponix> ,v linux-image-amd64
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• 1716[21:52:08] <nvz> o/
• 1717[21:53:56] <jhutchins> ,kernels
• 1718[21:53:57] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.8.0-trunk-686-pae (5.8.3-1~exp1); sid: 5.8.0-1-686 (5.8.7-1); bullseye: 5.8.0-1-686 (5.8.7-1); buster-backports: 5.7.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.7.10-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-10-686 (4.19.132-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.10-686-pae (4.19.132-1~deb9u2); jessie-backports:
• 1719[21:53:58] <judd> 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1)
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