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82[00:59:24] <somiaj> might depend on use case, I use xterm. uxterm is just a wrapper that changes the class and adds some utf-8 options. Though xterm should be fully utf-8 complient without the wrapper these days.
83[01:01:18] <oxek> that's exactly what confuses me
84[01:01:26] <oxek> I thought xterm on its own is already utf8
87[01:02:00] <somiaj> seems there are some small differences, you can read the manpage on the -u8 option. Seems it really isn't suggested anymore. One thing I noticed was it enables widecharacters, which I have had issues with on some software.
89[01:02:34] <oxek> -u8 option is not suggested anymore or uxterm is not suggested anymore? I'll read the manpage.
90[01:03:20] <pfred1> I use rxvt
91[01:03:32] <pfred1> or is is urxvt?
92[01:03:33] <somiaj> the man page talks about 'we recommend' vs what is suggested. uxterm forces utf-8 and some other things with it, xterm uses the systems locale. If you are using a utf-8 local, xterm will then have utf-8 support
93[01:03:55] <pfred1> it is urxvt!
94[01:04:03] <oxek> I'm using a weird locale, C.UTF-8
95[01:04:06] <somiaj> I think uxterm was more for the days that utf-8 wasn't the default local on systems.
108[01:08:20] <somiaj> oxek: use the terminal that suits your needs. Between xterm and uxterm, I would just use xterm unless you have a sepcifc use case for uxterm. Xterm will use your system locale and have utf-8 support.
109[01:08:43] <somiaj> there are plenty of other options depending on what features/use you have.
111[01:10:36] <oxek> somiaj: I just want something simple, because I run tmux which already has all the fancy features I need... so I need a simple terminal for tmux.
112[01:10:58] <oxek> and I am not feeling brave enough yet to deal with hunting down patches for st to get the functionality I need
113[01:11:12] <oxek> so I was told xterm is the next one to try
115[01:12:01] <somiaj> I use xterm, which is simple. urxvt is simple (which is a termal long aog written by the autor of fvwm, robter nation)
116[01:12:23] <somiaj> I personally have enver need any features of rxvt, urxvt, but the users of that terminal seem to enjoy it.
117[01:12:39] <somiaj> arg, s/simple//
118[01:14:06] <oxek> somiaj: do you have a well commented config file for xterm that you could share? Or a link to some good config file that would teach me the most common (and less common) options that people change?
119[01:14:20] <somiaj> I use the default options
120[01:14:49] <oxek> I already found out I need to add 'XTerm.termName: xterm-256color' to the default options
122[01:15:15] <oxek> so that's currently the only entry in my ~/.Xresources
123[01:15:16] <somiaj> actually this is what I use replaced-url
124[01:15:54] <oxek> thanks, I'll study it
125[01:15:59] <CyberManifest> so I installed lightdm and bspwm and these dot files replaced-url
126[01:16:04] <somiaj> I don't need the additional colors personally, mostly just font stuff, and the some options to allow xterm + tmux mouse to work a bit better for copy/paste
136[01:20:49] <somiaj> you didn't listen to what I said, display managers will parse different files when configuring the shell than logging into a tty, that wiki explains how debian configures things
137[01:21:05] <somiaj> so if you are expreincing a difference it is due to the shell and how stuff is parsed
193[01:40:40] <somiaj> what is out of date about that document? If you want to do some minmial setup, you are going to have to take the time to read and understand docs to configure it like you want to.
194[01:40:53] <zamnedix> okay fine im bored ill look at the dotfiles
195[01:41:16] <CyberManifest> somiaj: or learn by example, I don't have the greatest reading comprehension
196[01:41:17] <somiaj> CyberManifest: also is your shell bash? have you put custom stuff in .bashrc or .profile that you want parsed when you log into your system?
197[01:41:32] <CyberManifest> somiaj: my shell is zsh
199[01:42:09] <somiaj> have you put stuff in your .profile that is read by zsh, I'm not that faimilar with zsh, but can you identify what in your shell isn't loading properly, you can then add it to .xsessionrc as mentioned in the wiki
200[01:42:10] <CyberManifest> somiaj: yes .zshrc .zprofile and .zshenv all should be parsed
202[01:42:27] <zamnedix> geez man youre going on about security vulnerabilities in my cpu and youre just copying ALL these files without knowing what they are doing?
203[01:42:44] <themill> Does lightdm actually start a login shell?
204[01:43:07] <CyberManifest> somiaj: we've already been over this, I told you already... for things like sxhkd and urxvt
208[01:43:49] <somiaj> things like? What about them, do you want urxvt to auto start, or is the shell it is loading missing enviroment variables you have configured elsewhere?
209[01:44:22] <CyberManifest> themill: lightdm shows a login window and you can select desktop sessions
210[01:44:33] <themill> CyberManifest: that is not the same thing
215[01:45:24] <CyberManifest> themill: same thing as what?
216[01:45:32] <themill> a login shell
217[01:45:36] <devtty> ive been trying to get mpv to not drop most frames on output on my t420 after switching back from a de to a wm and i have no clue what is going on or where to start
222[01:46:17] <themill> CyberManifest: you can drop the "do you not understand them" crap any time you want -- you don't know what a login shell is in unix and you don't read what people are writing.
223[01:46:36] <CyberManifest> themill: you don't
224[01:46:44] <themill> *sigh*
225[01:46:45] <CyberManifest> themill: why you were asking
226[01:47:19] <CyberManifest> themill: how could I respond if I wasn't reading what people are writing ?
227[01:47:29] <somiaj> devtty: could it be a gpu issue? You can check the output of 'xvinfo', 'glxinfo', and maybe your Xorg.0.log file, see if you are loading gpu drivers correctly or just using software rendering.
228[01:47:29] <CyberManifest> themill: your assumptions are baseless
229[01:48:04] <themill> CyberManifest: if you want help, please cooperate and drop the tedious attitude you're showing to everyone who is volunteering their time to help you
230[01:49:05] <CyberManifest> themill volunteering ignorance and contentiousness and arogence I will not compromise for
231[01:49:11] <somiaj> CyberManifest: In linux, a 'login shell', 'interactive shell', and 'xsession' will all parse a different set of 'dot files', which is why the login shell you are using from tty1, and the xsession you are using from lightdm are different.
233[01:49:34] <themill> CyberManifest: have you spent 2 min looking up what a login shell is and verifying that lightdm actually creates one?
234[01:49:52] <somiaj> so you need to first understand this and what files are parsed using the method you want, and then identify what isn't being parsed, and update your configuration files accordenly
235[01:50:07] <CyberManifest> somiaj: yes but those dot files are configured to call the other dot files
243[01:51:14] <CyberManifest> somiaj: I could uninstall lightdm and solve everything
244[01:51:15] <somiaj> devtty: appears you are using the intel gpu, some intel cards have better preofrmance with non-free firmware in the firmware-misc-nonfree package.
248[01:52:20] <CyberManifest> my intent is for lightdm to use the same bspwm that zsh does from TTY
249[01:52:54] <somiaj> devtty: well you appear to be using sandybridge, which I don't think needs additional firmware. Everything seems to be in order from those output (nothing looks off to me)
250[01:53:13] <somiaj> devtty: does this frame dropping work on lots of different video files, or just certain ones?
251[01:53:20] <themill> CyberManifest: so you need it to start a login shell (or ensure that it otherwise sources the zshrc)
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256[01:54:09] <devtty> its everything and videos with vp9 tend to be worse though
257[01:54:19] <somiaj> devtty: Also just confirming I understood you correctly, it worked with a window manager but isn't working with a DE? How much memeory do you have?
268[01:57:01] <devtty> ive been running from terminal and i have been getting multiple different messages/warnings ranging from vp9 not supported to warnings about audio/video desync
269[01:57:10] <devtty> been trying a bunch of things
270[01:58:09] <CyberManifest> IS THIS WHAT You all are wanting / asking about: replaced-url
281[02:02:40] <somiaj> devtty: no, it sounds like the issue is more internal to mpv than xorg, just was double checking things. I'm unsure what mpv could be missing to not have support for vp9 and the other vidoes you see, yet work in a window manager.
296[02:08:32] <somiaj> first I don't see your .xsession there, second the location for the file is ~/.xsession not ~/.config/X11/.xsession
297[02:09:05] <somiaj> also why does that say your OS: Gentoo......
298[02:09:11] <alexrelis[m]> I installed sudo on my machine, added my normal user to the sudo group, disabled to root account, and logged out and logged back in. Now when I try to use sudo, I get this error:
299[02:09:11] <alexrelis[m]> `sudo: unable to resolve host alex-pc: Name or service not known`
300[02:09:11] <alexrelis[m]> I'm also having another strange error. When I try to run a command with sudo, sudo says my user is not in the sudoers file. But when I run `su - alex` and login to my regular user account and then use sudo, it works. I want to reboot, but I'm afraid if I reboot I won't be able to login as root anymore.
305[02:10:16] <somiaj> alexrelis[m]: add alex-pc to /etc/hosts to get rid of the unable to resolve issue. When you type 'groups' do you see yourself in the sudo group? Did you fully logout of xorg and back in?
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307[02:10:25] <CyberManifest> somiaj: also do you see: "exec bspwm" line 12 in replaced-url
308[02:10:36] <somiaj> alexrelis[m]: you could just append apex-pc to 127.0.0.1 which is localhost or point it at your ip.
311[02:11:06] <CyberManifest> somiaj: it doesn't say my OS is Gentoo, I'm on debian
312[02:12:47] <somiaj> so those aren't your dotfiles on github? I'm just going by the README.md. Anyways, I've pointed you to how debian's default session should be loading things, but configurations can change this.
313[02:13:52] <CyberManifest> somiaj: right, I realize how debian's default sessions SHOULD load things, and I understand that configurations can change this, but I don't understand why it isn't working as intended
314[02:14:19] <somiaj> but it appears the dot files you have downloaded from github are for gentoo, and you may have to adjust them.
315[02:14:39] <CyberManifest> somiaj: they have been adjusted
316[02:14:51] <CyberManifest> somiaj: for one I had to replace all instances of "raj"
317[02:15:29] <alexrelis[m]> somiaj: I see my username in the sudo group. I did log out of my Xorg session and log back in. But from the looks of it I am able to sudo in a tty session so I think I'm in the clear.
318[02:15:53] <alexrelis[m]> Oh, and I did the /etc/hosts thing. Thank you. I'm not sure why it wasn't the correct host name. Thank you very much.
338[02:30:05] <somiaj> CyberManifest: you can start debugging things, try to put 'exec urxvt' in your ~/.xsession file and then use the 'default' session from light dm, if uxrvt loads, it is parsing just like the wiki says.
339[02:30:18] <CyberManifest> somiaj: no
340[02:30:43] <somiaj> alexrelis[m]: glaod you got it worked out. Yea you sometimes have to log completly out to get groups to update, but seems everything is in order?
341[02:30:55] <somiaj> devtty: vo=xv is worse then vo=gpu?
342[02:31:14] <somiaj> devtty: You are using debian stable, and mpv and all the depends and likes are installed from stable?
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349[02:34:59] <somiaj> then you have reconfigured things somehow, just installed lightdm, and it reads .xsession just like the wiki said it would. You have chosed 'default Xsession' from the session menu in lightdm?
362[02:37:03] <pfred1> CyberManifest like i said .xsession -> .xinitrc
363[02:37:09] <somiaj> devtty: seems that v9 support is only for newer video cards, could it be you have somewho configured mpv to use a feature your card doesn't support?
375[02:39:26] <CyberManifest> pfred1: yes that's what I have for TTY1, but I prefered to use a DM
376[02:39:45] <pfred1> CyberManifest why? What's a DM do for you?
377[02:39:58] <CyberManifest> pfred1: allows me to use VNC
378[02:40:36] <devtty> noticed something i didnt before, all videos have the error [ffmpeg] NULL: Invalid NAL unit size and [ffmpeg] NULL: missing picture in access unit with size after exiting
379[02:40:43] <pfred1> CyberManifest you can do remote off the CLI
380[02:41:10] <CyberManifest> pfred1: don't think so
381[02:41:23] <pfred1> CyberManifest I don'
382[02:41:23] <CyberManifest> pfred1: that's a side point, quit trying to make me not use lightdm
383[02:41:34] <pfred1> CyberManifest I don't think what yo uthink really matters
384[02:41:53] <CyberManifest> it matters to me
385[02:42:04] <pfred1> CyberManifest that it does
386[02:42:13] <somiaj> devtty: I'm talking about mpv config files, I don't know where they are stored.
659[07:06:26] <CyberManifest> JUST FYI, I GOT IT FIXED: so I modified /usr/share/xsession/bspwm.desktop where the line Exec=bspwm ... I changed to Exec=$HOME/.config/X11/xinitrc
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667[07:09:59] <somiaj> instead you should make a local copy of that .desktop file, or learn to do things with how debian is setup, and use ~/.xsession with a default session.
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701[07:28:06] <somiaj> in general you should never have to edit a file owned by a package, (true for .desktop files, systemd unit files, and so on), but make a local copy in /etc or $HOME. The exact location depends on the file in question.
823[09:37:23] <MESSIAH> Hi. How to install SSL cert on Debian 10 for wildcard website. I tried acme.sh but for wildcard domain is required DNS API - my server don't have access to API for change DNS
834[09:47:07] <bolt> MESSIAH: those actions also have no relation to DNS...
835[09:48:05] <MESSIAH> Why Letsencrypt required DNS changing? It's security reason?
836[09:48:10] <jelly> either buy a wildcard cert, or use a LetsEncrypt client to issue separate certs for every site and app you have
837[09:48:18] <bolt> MESSIAH: Perhaps consider switching DNS provider? Your domain's DNS doesn't have to be the same company that acts as your domain registrar or your VM host
839[09:49:16] <MESSIAH> My registrar is OVH and hosting is a small company
840[09:49:17] <bolt> MESSIAH: Changing your DNS is one of the ways you can prove you have complete control over the domain and what it's allowed to point to. Changing a single webside on a subdomain does not. That you can put a file on foo.example.com in no way proves you control bar.example.com, or baz.example.com which hasn't even been made yet.
842[09:50:29] <bolt> MESSIAH: just search for "ovh dns api letsencrypt" or any similar combination of keywords
843[09:50:35] <jelly> your DNS provider seems to have an API to set and update DNS records automatically, and the above is a plugin for a different LE client
1036[13:46:47] <Sepultura> what would a Linux Office use?
1037[13:46:52] <Sepultura> a pure Linux office
1038[13:48:37] <jelly> FreeIPA ?
1039[13:49:32] <jelly> it depends on which part of AD you need to replace, is it kerberos SSO, user management, I don't know whether there's anything like GPOs (unless you maybe count sudoers)
1042[13:51:45] <jelly> you can also have actual AD running on Samba4, but you need Windows tools to manage it, probably
1043[13:53:42] <themill> probably ldap with some sort of clicky frontend on it (gosa or lemonldap come to mind). Most people generally end up running away screaming when then have to deal with ldap, but that's also true of AD...
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1045[13:54:35] <Johann> Sepultura: there is no eral pendent to active directory for linux, it would be a collection of tools depending on what you are trying to achieve
1046[13:54:42] <Johann> s/eral/real
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1077[14:40:45] <Johann> Sepultura: ldap, plus nfs for centralized home for example, byt there is no all in one solution as AD is
1078[14:41:04] <Johann> at leaest, not that I know but there s a lot ii don't know :)
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1080[14:42:31] <jelly> profiles cached to local disk would be nice instead of using homes from nfs directly
1081[14:43:40] <Johann> "can log on every offiice pc", if people switch computer often having to recreate preferences and lose files each time is not very useable, again, it all depends on what's the goal.
1083[14:47:55] <johndoe> what's a simple way of running an https server just serving the contents of the current directory (don't care about security, just prototyping stuff)
1090[14:50:40] <H4ndy> https is a bit difficult for local deployment
1091[14:50:58] <H4ndy> you need to handle self-signed certs on server and client side
1092[14:51:10] <nevivurn> If your local machine is available, has a domain pointing to it and all, then I'd set up a simple "proper" https server and change its configuration to forward to some local server (python -m http.server) when needed.
1095[14:55:05] <hwm4rgs> johndoe: I like using caddy for things like that. It generates its own (untrusted) certificates automatically, and serves cwd by default.
1167[16:00:03] <ratrace> MESSIAH: you'll have to rephrase, your question is unclear.
1168[16:01:20] <MESSIAH> OK I need controlling DNS in OVH not in host server. Actually if I need change or add DNS entry then I need do that in my hosting provider
1170[16:03:43] <jelly> ratrace, this started in the morning when they wanted to set up a wildcard LetsEncrypt cert, but LE only allowed that over DNS-01 protocol
1174[16:05:35] <ratrace> MESSIAH: still not sure what you're asking, but in short: to manage a "zone" (add remove A, AAAA, MX, CNAME, PTR, ... records), you need a "nameserver" (eg. bind9 on Debian). You can host that anyhwere you want. You must point at it through "NS" records of your zone's (domain's) registrar.
1175[16:06:07] <ratrace> So if this is about LE and DNS-01, you need to control the NS server for your zone in such a way that you can integrate it with your LE client
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1179[16:07:04] <ratrace> IF perchance you're using your registrar's NS to manage resource records (A, AAAA, ....) the you need to check if that registrar allows an API access, and integrate that with your LE.
1188[16:11:24] <ratrace> MESSIAH: I don't understand this: "my hosting can't" ... can't what? if that's Debian under your control, then you need to integrate your client with OVH API somehow. If it's not.... then how's this question relevant to #debian?
1189[16:11:40] <MESSIAH> VPS + SolusVM client panel - in this panel I can manage my DNS
1209[16:18:03] <ratrace> I think there's some misunderstanding here. let's forget about solus and your hosting company. you can update your LE certs fromy our home computer as long as you have direct control of the domain's NS server
1210[16:18:11] <ratrace> direct or through API
1211[16:18:39] <jelly> if NS is pointing to your vps, and you have root access, you should be able to run the ss command as root, and find out which process provides the DNS service
1212[16:19:13] <MESSIAH> jelly this command return IP address
1213[16:19:18] <ratrace> I understood that OVH is the NS since its API was mentioned......
1214[16:19:22] <ratrace> *has the NS
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1216[16:19:38] <jelly> MESSIAH, it returns more than just an IP address. Show the complete first line
1234[16:22:34] <MESSIAH> jelly Yes I install it manually time ago
1235[16:23:06] <jelly> you should be able to configure bind9 to use "nsupdate" command line to change and add DNS records.
1236[16:23:09] <ratrace> this is very much irrelevant unless that bind server is _the_ server that services the NS for the zone in question
1237[16:23:45] <ratrace> and if it is installed "manually" some time ago, and the user has to ask these questions, I'm betting a skag's butt that's not the NS for the zone, UNLESS the zone ain't even set up yet
1250[16:27:00] <jelly> and see if that works regardless of the control panel
1251[16:27:03] <ratrace> MESSIAH: then you will have to consult SolusVM manuals to see how to update DNS zones programmatically, OR even how to integrate with a LE client
1253[16:28:02] <ratrace> jelly: I'm surprised you're pushing that solution, while it's clear that the bind installation is not the zone's NS; SolusVM on the host side (which I understand is hosting company, so not under MESSIAH's control) is.
1254[16:28:25] <MESSIAH> ratrace SolusVM Client Panel API allow you just simple function - reboot, shut down, status but can't change DNS by API
1255[16:28:28] <jelly> SolusVM is a control panel software
1256[16:28:31] <ratrace> unless MESSIAH is giving wrong info all this time. perhaps if we knew the zone, we could check the NS ourselves, and go from there.
1257[16:28:47] <jelly> and it's used just for basic VM controls IIRC
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1259[16:29:02] <ratrace> jelly: "< MESSIAH> I don't know - I don't have control full root. I have only root in Debian OS on this server"
1260[16:29:29] <jelly> <MESSIAH> jelly vps1.slaskdatacenter.com <jelly> okay, and do you have root on that machine <MESSIAH> Yes
1261[16:29:35] <jelly> now what :-)
1262[16:29:40] <ratrace> heh.... contradictory information :)
1263[16:30:05] <ratrace> so I bet that hostname is NOT under MESSIAH's control
1264[16:30:36] <ratrace> ie, that's the hosting company, that owns the SolusVM installation, and MESSIAH only rents a guest OS there
1265[16:30:37] <jelly> it would be easier to help if you did not hide the domain name and the IP, MESSIAH
1266[16:31:04] <MESSIAH> ratrace I can't controll this hostname vps1.slaskdatacenter.com
1267[16:31:25] <jelly> ratrace, anything named "vps1.foo" sounds like the guest vps itself, and that's where NS records point to supposedly
1268[16:31:49] <ratrace> jelly: but slaskdatacenter.com is a hosting company
1269[16:32:15] <jelly> MESSIAH, you don't have to control how the machine is called; it's good enough if NS record points to a machine where you have root.
1270[16:32:21] <ratrace> so red herrings fest aside..... back to square one. MESSIAH: do you have the ability to programmatically control the zone for your domain?
1271[16:32:37] <ratrace> forget solus, forget manually inputting TXT records anywhre. do you have an API for that, or a config file?
1272[16:32:38] <MESSIAH> ratrace yes correct that's why I have SolusVM Client Panel
1273[16:32:38] <jelly> ratrace, that's too highlevel for them to answer
1274[16:32:59] <ratrace> jelly: thats the answer they will HAVE to understand and provide if they want LE automation
1275[16:33:06] <jelly> and "nsupdate" CLI _is_ an api. :-)
1276[16:33:30] <ratrace> yes but it assumes root control over an instance ov Bind. or.... rndc delegate permissionb blah blah... you get the gist
1277[16:33:46] <MESSIAH> ratrace nope I don't have API for changing DNS
1278[16:33:52] <jelly> (still remains to be seen if the NS really points to MESSIAH's own VPS, or someplace else)
1279[16:34:24] <ratrace> MESSIAH: then there's nothing you can do EXCEPT run your own NS somewhere, for your domain, or rent a service that also provides an API
1280[16:34:38] <jelly> MESSIAH, can you pastebin actual domain name and full outputs of dig ... and ss ...
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1282[16:35:07] <jelly> they might already be running their own NS
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1284[16:35:35] <MESSIAH> ratrace faster if I do automation script with login to SolusVM Panel and add TXT in DNS
1285[16:35:58] <jelly> that's an option as well.
1286[16:36:03] <ratrace> MESSIAH: perhaps try offer the info jelly requested? I guess it's possible you control the NS without knowing
1287[16:36:10] <jelly> "automation script with login to SolusVM Panel and add TXT in DNS" = API
1288[16:36:13] <ratrace> (though I doubt that)
1289[16:36:31] <MESSIAH> How I can check this?
1290[16:36:35] <ratrace> there's no problem a few carefully placed curl queries can't solve :)))
1291[16:36:59] <jelly> MESSIAH, by figuring out if NS points to the VPS under your full control.
1292[16:37:13] <jelly> start by showing us ACTUAL OUTPUT
1293[16:37:20] <MESSIAH> jelly any specific command for that?
1294[16:37:34] <ratrace> the dig one
1295[16:37:43] <jelly> the dig ... and ss ... commands you ran already
1296[16:38:01] <jelly> ss will show which IPs bind is... binding to
1305[16:41:40] <jelly> maybe it's not safe. But also, maybe you don't want free help.
1306[16:42:24] <jelly> if you feel unsafe I can provide help in private, for 90 eur/hour
1307[16:42:48] <jelly> maybe ratrace is cheaper
1308[16:43:25] <jelly> but if you want free help in public, then please provide the info needed to get best free help possible
1309[16:44:33] <jelly> unless your VPS has more than one IP, it seems ratrace's guess was right and you DO NOT have NS records pointing to your own VPS
1323[16:46:39] <jelly> ratrace, don't envy your costs of living at all
1324[16:46:52] <ratrace> this is actually very very simple. to automate LE certificates, you **MUST** have control of your zone's NS server. that's all. if you don't, make it so you do. run your own, or rent a service that allows API based zone modification.
1328[16:48:17] <ratrace> and we can help here with setting up an instance of bind9 should you decide to run your own NS. debugging solusvm or third party APIs really isn't #debian.
1329[16:48:28] <MESSIAH> ratrace or add TXT record every 90 days :)
1330[16:48:51] <ratrace> MESSIAH: frankly I don't know if that's possible at all, since LE requires real time challenge-response
1331[16:48:55] <jelly> right, but the whole idea is to set and forget :-)
1332[16:49:09] <jelly> ratrace, it's not _that_ real
1333[16:49:09] <ratrace> maybe DNS-01 allows it, I don't know, I've used only HTTP based LE validation
1354[16:54:54] <MESSIAH> jelly Question has been sent 6 months ago without response )
1355[16:55:05] <jelly> if they do not, you'll have to invent one (write automation to click on SolusVM yourself) or change DNS provider
1356[16:55:14] <jelly> fun
1357[16:55:30] <MESSIAH> Yeah sounds legit
1358[16:55:34] <ratrace> MESSIAH: you can use _any_ provider for your domain, doesn't have to be your hosting company or your registrar, it can be completely something else
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1387[17:04:22] <ratrace> I think you should learn the basics, how DNS works, what are nameservers, how DNS resolution works, registrars, etc.... before you embark in hosting your own public service(s)
1388[17:04:32] <jelly> change NS (back?) to OVH, and make sure your other records on the OVH db point to the same place as now
1389[17:04:53] <unborn> ratrace: exactly what I suggested to him..
1390[17:05:21] <ratrace> common sense.
1391[17:05:47] <unborn> well not just basics. if you going to host on your own you need to know properly - some stuff do click in common but if you know only really some basics.. meh
1400[17:10:34] <unborn> MESSIAH: I do indeed host my server from home, yes badly on single residential IP and link.. have let's encrypt running etc.. and its perfectly doable once you know and do understand what are you doing. I like jellys proposal of 90 eurs/ph. Best way is to learn dns on your own, documentation like this - you possibly wont even find as dns is huge topic on its own. As I said once you understand how it all works, then have look briefly of let's encrypt
1401[17:10:34] <unborn> and acme challenge and it will give you sense.
1408[17:12:56] <jelly> MESSIAH, no idea; in general, you would copy all the entries from your current DNS provider back to the registrar DNS forms, then reconfigure the domain at your registrar to use the registrar's DNS services again. Before doing all that make doubly sure you can indeed use OVH API with their free DNS service.
1418[17:23:57] <unborn> - also make backup of all entries and I just guess cloudflare have pretty instant times of updates on dns - however you might wait some time to get new entries around the globe.. etc.. you know.
1438[17:43:50] <shashdisco> I've got myself some old debin/control files, and i'm wondering about the "< is deprecated"... should I replace it with < or <= ?
1458[17:58:48] <dka> To use my Synology NAS to Wake on LAN (WOL) a linux debian server, 1) do I need a dedicated ethernet card for it connected between the NAS and the server ? 2) do I need to configure anything on the debian server ? 3) does the cable need a crossover cable ?
1463[18:01:18] <sney> 1) no, WoL works on a regular switched network 2) yes, in the ethernet card's firmware. usually ctrl-s or similar after POST, or somewhere in the EFI, as well as in /etc/network/interfaces; see replaced-url
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1497[18:32:06] <sney> dka: google tells me those are aggregated ports, so it doesn't matter which one you use, just connect the nas to your network normally and you will be able to use whatever WoL it supports
1576[19:39:38] <zapatista> Hey there!... I did something stupid. I was trying to install nvidia driver. I removed nouveau driver, blacklisted it and updated kernel issuing update-initramfs -u command.
1577[19:40:04] <zapatista> When I rebooted surprise suprise there is no video output after the initial boot menu.
1583[19:41:00] <zapatista> I believe there is no video driver installed. Is there a method to temporarily load/install a legacy video driver during the boot?
1584[19:44:09] <ratrace> zapatista: how did you blacklist nouveau
1598[19:47:39] <ratrace> btw.... installing nvidia-driver _does_ that already, there's no need to be messin' with manual blacklists
1599[19:47:54] <greycat> There's a pretty good chance you could get normal console interaction if you just boot with multi-user.target
1600[19:48:14] <greycat> which is roughly equivalent to "run level 2 on red hat", no display manager
1601[19:48:22] <zapatista> But the nvidia driver did not do the black list thing in my case.
1602[19:50:41] <ratrace> zapatista: it should've if you installed the regular debian package
1603[19:51:32] <zapatista> I found a *.run file on Nvidia server and that thing did not black listed nor installed the driver.
1604[19:51:46] <zapatista> Maybe I should use the packages as you said.
1605[19:52:18] <ratrace> as I said, the regular debian package does all the work. if you installed from third party .run file, you messed it up, and that wouldn't add any modprobe.d blacklists, no
1606[19:54:03] <zapatista> Now how do you suggest I should act. The disks are encrypted LVM and I cannot reach them to unloack them since I cannot see them on the screen.
1607[19:54:10] <zapatista> Now I am locked out of the system.
1610[19:55:15] <ratrace> zapatista: try getting into multi-user.target as greycat suggested. add systemd.unit=multi-user.target to the kernel command line via grub, boot, then remove the modprobe.d blacklist, update-initramfs -u for good measure
1611[19:55:28] <ratrace> something tells me that should be enough as the driver is not needed for the console
1612[19:55:57] <zapatista> I shall try it.
1613[19:56:52] <ratrace> when you reboot back into normal system (with nouveau), the .run file should have an uninstall action or something that _should_ in theory clean out the mess it caused. then enable the non-free repo and install nvidia-driver package
1614[19:56:59] <shtrb> zapatista, you should never use .run files.
1615[19:57:14] <sney> the 'nvidia-installer-cleanup' package in debian cleans up the nvidia installer's mess.
1616[19:57:36] <sney> iirc it's a recommend for nvidia-driver so it'll come in regardless/automatically
1630[20:12:53] <yanmaani> If you put in say 20 GB of RAM and let the kernel use that for cache, will your system be any slower than if you manually mount / as ramdisk?
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1635[20:13:47] <yanmaani> don't have that much ram, just curious
1636[20:14:11] <yanmaani> I imagine boot would be faster? Or will it preload everything it can into cache before first use?
1637[20:14:29] <greycat> Just get an SSD.
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1639[20:14:50] <shtrb> yanmaani, there is a benifit to use with zram , but if you can you better get an ssd
1640[20:14:57] <yanmaani> Isn't SSD slower?
1641[20:15:00] <sney> ram is ram, and linux has always been good at caching any kind of i/o. it's hard to be sure what would happen in theory, but I don't think either approach would be significantly better than the other
1646[20:17:24] <greycat> The notion of reading the entire file system into a RAM disk at boot, rather than just letting the kernel cache everything after it's actually used once, is kinda silly. That's why nobody does it.
1647[20:18:30] <greycat> you're just delaying boot to read the stuff that'll *never* be used, like the bulgarian translation of the emacs documentation
1648[20:19:10] <greycat> (substitute whatever other language, if you actually have Bulgarian users)
1651[20:21:54] <sney> my hypervisor loads its whole self into ram and runs from there. that's a fairly specialized use though. for a regular computer, if you want a fast disk, just get a fast disk. I think nvmes are the current hotness for that.
1681[20:33:24] <greycat> Well, not the mint part. I assumed it was a pirated Windows image.
1682[20:33:31] <quiznilo> heh no
1683[20:33:35] <quiznilo> I'm deleting windows
1684[20:33:38] <sney> mint is a derivative, so chances are good that their images are hybrid like debian's, but you'd have to ask them. we have no idea.
1685[20:33:39] <greycat> Go ask the mint support people how to write the mint installer to your hardware.
1688[20:37:26] <quiznilo> I was just curious because it looked like unetbootin was abandoned on Debian
1689[20:37:28] <ratrace> dd, cp, pv, hell even cat will do!
1690[20:37:50] <dvs> that's 1337!
1691[20:37:54] <quiznilo> yeah
1692[20:38:09] <sney> unetbootin is for converting optical isos to work with flash memory. debian (and apparently some derivative) isos don't need to be converted, so unetbootin is unnecessary
1693[20:38:15] <quiznilo> I don't do this a lot, I have to keep reading how to do it every other year or so
1748[21:34:27] <nickgaw> Hi, How can I setup apt tools to always run weith the -q option and then after downloading dpkgs and installing them automatically clean up the cache as apt.conf manual page does not really help?
1755[21:37:22] <greycat> the man page says "Configuration Item: quiet" so there should be a way to insert that somewhere in the apt.conf* files, but good luck finding the documentation that's actually human-readable
1763[21:42:08] <nickgaw> That is my point so automatically apt will automatically clean up archives once they are installed what about an option for everytime it runs doing an apt update to update the package cache can this be done??
1764[21:42:34] <greycat> ... what? you want to delete the *lists* that you got from "apt update"? no.
1765[21:42:43] <greycat> that would be ridiculous
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1767[21:42:54] <nickgaw> I added that option and now no percentages hapeen when I did an apt update is that what should happen with the quiet option?
1777[21:49:35] <zapatista> I think there is more to it in my problem. Even if I add multi-user option to boot string, I still have no video output after the boot menu. Now I use a live cd to manually mount encrypted lvm volumes and and copy the home directory to another disk for good measure and shall remove the blacklist from the /etc/ folder.
1778[21:50:20] <greycat> how about with init=/bin/bash ?
1779[21:50:54] <zapatista> did not try it because you said "nuke".
1780[21:51:01] <zapatista> Yes I am a chicken shit.
1783[21:51:15] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
1784[21:51:22] <greycat> Basically that, just without the "passwd" stuff.
1785[21:52:17] <zapatista> I know. But I shall backup everything because I am doing stupid things nowadays.
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1876[23:32:36] <dka> I have a USB USDPA 7.2Mbps Wireless Data Card that accept my sim card, I want to use with linux debian to send SMS, where should I start please?
1890[23:44:55] <ws2k3> im having a pretty weird issue. the mount command returns nothing... just an emty newline
1891[23:47:09] <greycat> the bot doesn't have factoids for either one... I suspect they are not very popular
1892[23:47:54] <nvz> dka: if its showing up as a mass storage device its probably one of those things that is multifunction which means you need some way to make it change to the right function first
1894[23:48:28] <nvz> because one thing I'm sure of you can't send SMS with a mass storage device
1895[23:49:26] <n4dir> ws2k3: assuming i understand what you are saying: that is what mount does if it completed with success
1896[23:49:28] <nvz> ,file bin/usb_modeswitch
1897[23:49:32] <judd> Search for bin/usb_modeswitch in buster/amd64: usb-modeswitch: usr/sbin/usb_modeswitch
1898[23:49:42] <n4dir> and many tools do it like that
1899[23:49:53] <nvz> n4dir: no its not, the mount command without arguments shows roughly the equiv of /etc/mtab
1900[23:50:02] <ws2k3> n4dir: i would expect it to show all mounted file systems
1901[23:50:22] <n4dir> ah. as i said: assuming i understand what you say
1902[23:50:49] <nvz> dka: first thing I'd do is install usb-modeswitch and see if you can get that modem to act like a modem
1903[23:52:42] <nvz> dka: postings as recent as 2.5 years ago many users had issues just getting it to switch modes, but after you get it to switch modes it should show up like a serial modem, then you gotta figure out the dialing sequence and will need something like wvdial or such
1904[23:54:17] <dka> ok
1905[23:54:23] <dka> can I see the post you are looking at?
1906[23:54:49] <nvz> I just googled that pciid you gave and the word linux, I haven't really looked at any of the results.. only the dates :P
1907[23:55:04] <nvz> I've used such devices before they're kinda a PITA
1908[23:56:29] <nvz> the results of googling "05c6:1000 linux" are only really useful if usb_modswitch from usb-modswitch doesnt work out of the box
1909[23:56:47] <nvz> if modeswitching works, then you should get a whole new usbid for the device
1910[23:56:54] <nvz> and THAT is the device id you wanna look up
1911[23:57:28] <nvz> the device you got in there now is never going to work because its a thumbdrive, not a 3G/4G modem