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• 2[00:00:15] <sney> it's a reasonably capable ubuntu userland running natively in windows. it's pretty strange. if you went back to 2005 and told a bunch of linux nerds that was going to happen... lol
• 3[00:00:47] * sney bludgeons himself with an !offtopic
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• 6[00:01:02] <somiaj> Well installing debian inside there might almost be on topic.
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• 11[00:03:32] <dax> it's not just ubuntu, there's a debian (and other distros) for it in the microsoft store too
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• 13[00:03:56] <dax> dpkg: wsl
• 14[00:03:56] <dpkg> replaced-url
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• 18[00:06:03] <sponix> One more step towards Microsoft Linux
• 19[00:07:13] <sney> I was speculating just recently that with the recent hubris from Mozilla and Google, it might be time for open source Edge
• 20[00:07:43] <sney> 90s bill gates eat your heart out, suddenly everyone is using internet explorer and it's by choice
• 21[00:08:01] <sponix> lol
• 22[00:08:04] <sponix> ikr
• 23[00:08:06] <dax> it's based on chromium now anyway, no good reason not to
• 24[00:08:46] <sponix> all a matter of who you want to have your data at this point
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• 26[00:16:58] <jhutchins> Being
• 27[00:17:47] <jhutchins> Being "on" the internet and demanding privacy, or nobody PM me, or no unsolicited email, or no clickbait just shows a major misunderstanding of what the 'net is.
• 28[00:18:34] <n4dir> because it sucks the way it does today doesn't mean it has to be like that.
• 29[00:18:55] <sney> it's like having to trade some liberty for some security. there's always going to be a trade-off, it's just better for us to have some say in the matter
• 30[00:19:44] <n4dir> they are not having at something like the freedombox only for the lulz
• 31[00:20:53] <jhutchins> Once you open a can of worms, certain processes are irreversible.
• 32[00:21:22] <n4dir> it pretty much looks like it, but i am not willing to give an applause to it
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• 34[00:23:23] <oxek> there's still torbrowser
• 35[00:23:35] <Ede|Popede> it's not even only on the net. filthy companies were calling you at home without being asked to, people getting you out of bed on saturday mornings just to convince you that their religion is the only true thing. and then all the people for whom tar barrels have been invented.
• 36[00:23:40] <oxek> (surprisingly not packaged in debian)
• 37[00:24:08] <n4dir> Ede|Popede: yup. Besides being filmed all the time.
• 38[00:24:27] <sney> !wnpp
• 39[00:24:28] <dpkg> For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at replaced-url
• 40[00:24:32] <Ede|Popede> oh, london. but even on busses here now afaik
• 41[00:24:40] <n4dir> yup.
• 42[00:24:48] <sney> there's probably a conversation in wnpp about why torbrowser isn't in debian. (it may be ongoing)
• 43[00:24:53] <n4dir> i wonder when they come up with the idea of filming you at home
• 44[00:25:04] <Ede|Popede> google homeview?
• 45[00:25:38] <Ede|Popede> could become one of the "it wasn't meant as a blueprint, it was satire!"
• 46[00:25:40] <n4dir> it ain't that hard to run tor yourself. The problem is to set up the browser correct (or correctly, i don't know)
• 47[00:25:42] <oxek> some people would love google homeview - "hey google, where are my car keys"
• 48[00:25:49] <n4dir> lol
• 49[00:25:58] <MikeDebian> Hey guys, one of my servers is running linux software raid (mdadm) RAID 1 with 2 HDD disks. I'll soon need to swap this setup to 6 SSD's with RAID 6. Once the RAID 1 is copied to the two SSD's and it is functional, I'll then convert the raid 1 to raid 5 and finally to raid 6 as it seems converting raid 1 directly to raid 6 is not possible.
• 50[00:26:06] <Ede|Popede> they promised us rfid tags for such things 2 decades ago
• 51[00:26:09] <MikeDebian> However, my biggest doubt at the moment is the best way to clone/copy the current RAID 1 to the new SSD drives.
• 52[00:26:15] <MikeDebian> My current though is: on a separate machine, could I simply boot the 2 new SSDs with a debian live cd, install mdadm and all the needed stuff, partition the SSDs exactly like the HDDs are (with the exception of the root partition that might be bigger if I use higher capacity disks), create the RAID 1 and the arrays, format the arrays and then simply scp (or gzip and untar) the original RAID1 content (/boot and /) to this new one? Is this a
• 53[00:26:15] <MikeDebian> good approach, will it work? I believe mdadm is not aware of the hardware itself or the disks so once the RAID1 is on the new SSD disks, it should work
• 54[00:27:30] <sney> make a backup, create the array, restore the backup to the array.
• 55[00:27:34] <phogg> Will it work? Yes, if you do it right (there are some caveats). Is it a good approach? No comment...
• 56[00:27:51] <MikeDebian> sney, that's basically what I said, right?
• 57[00:28:20] <sney> honestly I kind of gloss over whenever someone pastes a pre-written paragraph into irc
• 58[00:29:03] <MikeDebian> it was pre-written cause I wrote this on linux-raid channel and got no replies... what's the problem with that? does that change the question?
• 59[00:29:09] <MikeDebian> if you don't to help fine, just leave it
• 60[00:29:23] <MikeDebian> don't want*
• 61[00:29:44] <MikeDebian> phogg, fantastic reply...
• 62[00:29:48] <oxek> sney: found no conversation in wnpp for torbrowser
• 63[00:29:52] <oxek> maybe noone asked?
• 64[00:30:17] <sney> make a backup, create the array, restore the backup to the array. that is how this is done. if you need to do a dance because you have limited storage or whatever, then that dance you described will probably work
• 65[00:30:32] <phogg> MikeDebian: I can't recommend this course of action. I could do it, but there are a lot of ways you could end up with a broken system and data loss. Having a backup is strongly encouraged.
• 66[00:30:36] <sney> but if you want to do it right, then make a backup, create the array, and restore the backup to the array.
• 67[00:31:08] <MikeDebian> There's no problem about doing the backup and restore (instead of scp)
• 68[00:31:42] <MikeDebian> There's really no much different in gziping the data then unzip or use scp
• 69[00:31:43] <sney> oxek: if nobody has RFP/ITP'ed torbrowser then that's probably the reason. you seem reasonably technical, why not volunteer and package it yourself?
• 70[00:31:58] <MikeDebian> Because the original RAID 1 server will be up and running while I create the new raid 1 on a separate machine
• 71[00:31:59] <phogg> MikeDebian: a backup is sometimes as simple as a file copy
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• 73[00:32:38] <MikeDebian> phogg, sure, scp... as for real backup's I have another dedicated server that has a complete backup of this main RAID 1 server
• 74[00:32:53] <MikeDebian> actually I have 2 backups
• 75[00:32:56] <MikeDebian> One local and one remote
• 76[00:33:16] <sney> sounds like you're good to go then.
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• 78[00:34:03] <MikeDebian> sney, thanks for the input. I just wanted to check if there was nothing I was overlooking in the process
• 79[00:34:19] <phogg> MikeDebian: bootloader, if needed
• 80[00:34:19] <MikeDebian> Cause I don't want to repeat the process multiple times with multiple approaches until I get it right
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• 82[00:34:58] <MikeDebian> phogg, hum?
• 83[00:35:29] <MikeDebian> Do you mean reinstalling grub on the new SSDs?
• 84[00:35:39] <phogg> MikeDebian: if this is your boot disk you may also need space for a boot record or partition, depending on how you boot
• 85[00:35:45] <phogg> MikeDebian: yes
• 86[00:35:45] <n4dir> software ingen says it would only need python. I am told to run ./waf --configure, but it tells me right away it can't find the module waflib. apt-cache search for it tells me nothing i would understand.
• 87[00:35:57] <MikeDebian> phogg, the new SSD disks will be partitioned as the original ones
• 88[00:36:06] <MikeDebian> So yes, it will have a boot partition, root partition and swap partition
• 89[00:37:09] <MikeDebian> As for grub itself, it won't hurt installing it on the new SSD but when copying /boot partition I assume it work the same way right?
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• 92[00:38:36] <sney> n4dir: looks like xmds2 has waflib. I don't know what that is either. also check if your thing's upstream cares if its python 2 or 3
• 93[00:39:03] <n4dir> thanks sney
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• 98[00:43:17] <oxek> sney: I really want to do things for debian, I just need to find the time to read and learn all the debian documentation
• 99[00:43:40] <oxek> (and sort out issues like not being able to send mails to reportbug.debian.org, not being able to access the wiki, not being able to connect to oftc...)
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• 101[00:45:51] <sney> you could probably email pabs about all 3 of those things. but I found that doing packaging work myself helped me understand more about how debian works, so I recommend it if that's one of your goals.
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• 103[00:46:20] <sney> even just package it for yourself and get familiar with the pieces, before doing anything formal.
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• 105[00:47:53] <oxek> I'll get to it, one day
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• 109[00:52:06] <karlpinc> oxek: reportbug.debian.org is often slow. It uses greylisting, so if you're using a non-compliant MTA that does not resend, after waiting, on a 400 class response then that'd be the issue. (IIRC)
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• 113[00:58:13] <sney> I think my first whack at packaging hexchat took an hour or less. if the program has a sane build system, it pretty much just goes, for personal usage anyway. then you gradually add the everyone-else stuff.
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• 121[01:03:02] <MTecknology> ratrace: Since you seem to know a bit about steam on linux. Do you happen to know what it takes to run rockstar games? I grabbed the special proton thingy and used that to install game files and attempt to launch, but it's complaining about not being able to find the rockstar games launcher. I assumed steam would just grab what was needed, but perhaps not that? Do I need to download
• 122[01:03:08] <MTecknology> the installer and install via the wine binary inside ~/.steam, or find some way to install via steam app, or ?? ... only asking in here because you seem to know things. I can't find an appropriate channel either...
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• 125[01:04:17] <sney> you need to enable the steam beta client and then steam mostly handles itself, but for some games you need to go into the properties and select the specific linux runtime.
• 126[01:04:38] <sney> protondb will sometimes have game-specific info and workarounds as well.
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• 130[01:07:54] <ratrace> MTecknology: sorry, I wouldn't know about that
• 131[01:08:05] * MTecknology crosses fingers
• 132[01:09:05] <MTecknology> Wooo!
• 133[01:09:17] * MTecknology hugs sney & ratrace
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• 135[01:11:20] <sney> np bud
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• 147[01:33:26] <MTecknology> sney: sooooooo close... With the steam beta client, it installed the rockstar launcher. When I try to play rdr2, it launches the rockstar launcher (first time, it asked about linking & cloud saves), but then eventually nothing. I see Launcher.exe and winedevice.exe stay running. There's a rockstar launcher icon that shows up in my system tray. If I right click it, it looks like there
• 148[01:33:32] <MTecknology> are three options, but no text is visible. If I click what appears to be the last option, it will exit; the first seems to launch SocialClubHelper, but the rockstar launcher window thingy starts, but never does anything. If I try to close it, it suggests the game is currently running. Trying the second option seems to be for settings. That window opens up just fine until the loader
• 149[01:33:38] <MTecknology> screen finishes- then nothing shows.
• 150[01:33:41] <MTecknology> (scratch that last bit... it finally showed)
• 151[01:34:18] <sney> sometimes it's just p slow
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• 153[01:34:45] <sney> I think there's a #steamlug on this network for genuine support
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• 161[01:44:07] <MTecknology> Ah, thanks for the channel. I'll just keep waiting for it to launch and for an answer in that channel.
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• 187[02:36:55] <grummund> Can anyone confirm the meaning of this crontab entry pls: 45 5 31 * 6,0 username command ...
• 188[02:37:43] * grummund expects it to trigger at 5:45am on the 31st of the month if the day is Sat or Sun.
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• 190[02:39:30] <grummund> in fact it triggered on at 05:45 on the 6th.
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• 192[02:41:08] <dvs> of September 2020?
• 193[02:41:24] <dvs> oops1 nvm
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• 197[02:42:47] <nvz> grummund: replaced-url
• 198[02:42:48] <grummund> yes. i.e. yesterday for me.
• 199[02:43:36] <grummund> nvz: well that confirms the behaviour i was expecting
• 200[02:43:44] <grummund> but not what happened
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• 202[02:44:08] <nvz> yeah I have no idea.. I don't believe in time :P
• 203[02:44:10] <dvs> That's not what I would have guessed.
• 204[02:44:30] <nvz> only if I got somethin really important and dont feel well (i.e. way too worn out) will I set a clock/alarm
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• 207[02:45:28] <grummund> oh wait, it means on the 31st *and* every Saturday or Sunday ?
• 208[02:45:49] <nvz> thats what the guru says :P
• 209[02:46:02] <grummund> not, on the 31st only if it's a Sat/Sun.
• 210[02:46:36] <dvs> that's what I expected
• 211[02:47:08] <grummund> yeah, not i.
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• 214[02:49:27] <grummund> thanks
• 215[02:49:31] <nvz> I doubt they made it so you could be so specific that something would run only on a certain date if it were a certain day of the week
• 216[02:49:40] <nvz> thats quite a rare occurance
• 217[02:50:00] <nvz> any given day only falls on the same day of the week what every 8 years?
• 218[02:50:17] <dvs> That's exactly what I would expect if the date of the month is specified.
• 219[02:50:37] <ratrace> what about leap years, they offset that math
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• 222[02:53:11] <another> maybe 45 5 */30 * 0,6
• 223[02:54:02] <nvz> yes, the guru says that is only IF the date falls on a sat/sun
• 224[02:54:16] <nvz> replaced-url
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• 226[02:56:52] <nvz> hmm, taught dpkg to do that..
• 227[02:57:01] <nvz> dpkg, cronguru 45 5 */30 * 6,0
• 228[02:57:01] <dpkg> replaced-url
• 229[02:57:36] <nvz> idk how useful that one will be, but w/e :P
• 230[03:00:00] <grummund> nice, thanks guys.
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• 240[03:33:12] <grummund> dpkg, cronguru 45 6 1-7 */4 */7
• 241[03:33:12] <dpkg> replaced-url
• 242[03:33:43] <grummund> that is, run on the first Sunday of every Jan, May and Sept., i think :p
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• 247[03:44:23] <somiaj> so I have been making anotated .pdf files on an ipad, and trying to find a way to flatten them, 'pdf2ps foo.pdf - | ps2pdf - foo.pdf' works weel, but for some reason the .pdf document seems to take a bit to load (even though it is about 1/4 the size), like the way ps exports it to an image first making it take a while for a viewer to render. Anyone have any thoughts or suggestions on how to flatten .pdfs
• 248[03:44:29] <somiaj> in debian?
• 249[03:45:22] <grummund> what is flatten?
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• 252[03:48:14] <somiaj> grummund: .pdf files can have multiple layers, in which you can store metadata, so the annotation layer stores all the strokes, which makes the file size quite big.
• 253[03:48:33] <somiaj> flatting them removes the layers and turns all the metadata into image/text on a single layer.
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• 256[03:49:18] <somiaj> also some .pdf readers won't render the anotation layer unless you flatten them (though this is fairly rare, I've had problems with sending the .pdf and it not showing the annotation layer)
• 257[03:49:40] <grummund> have you tried imagemagick?
• 258[03:49:59] <sney> pdftk might be useful too
• 259[03:50:16] <somiaj> I was just wondering if there was a more direct way than covernting to and from some other format
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• 261[03:50:34] <yanmaani> somiaj: not really
• 262[03:50:35] <somiaj> grummund: convert doesn't end up creating a good quality .pdf in the end, and has the same conversion problem.
• 263[03:50:46] <yanmaani> pdf is a horrible format, and flattening it will only make it worse
• 264[03:51:16] <yanmaani> creating nice small PDFs with good loading times is a dark art, known only to Adobe
• 265[03:51:42] <somiaj> pdflatex does a good job, it is just the annotations Im' putting on top of them that end up making a 1meg .pdf bloat to 50megs
• 266[03:52:04] <somiaj> My solution works failry well, just making sure I'm not missing some other possiblity
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• 268[03:52:57] <grummund> somiaj: this is a script i made which attempts to reduce pdf size - replaced-url
• 269[03:53:39] <grummund> somiaj: it creates several pdf's from the input, the idea being you pick the one that best fits and delete the rest.
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• 271[03:54:15] <grummund> somiaj: there may be some hints in there to suit your purpose.
• 272[03:54:59] <somiaj> I might look more at the convert route, but so far the main one pdf2ps -> ps2pdf gets the sizes manageable and keeps the quiality of the image high. I just found it strange the .pdf took a while to render in a viewer.
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• 274[03:56:44] <somiaj> I almost wonder if it is just due to the browers built in .pdf viewer, I should try a stand alone one
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• 294[04:15:39] <dvs> *kaboom*
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• 297[04:18:17] * cheapie reboots, and sees a "Congratulations, you have successfully installed Debian!" screen come up
• 298[04:18:43] <cheapie> Kinda surprising, since I did deviate from the defaults some - like using that shiny new ext3 FS :P
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• 300[04:21:07] <CyberManifest> what is the proper way to install rust on debian?
• 301[04:22:03] <dax> assuming 1.34.2 is fine, sudo apt install rustc
• 302[04:22:06] <cheapie> CyberManifest: Is "apt install rustc" not what you want?
• 303[04:22:20] <CyberManifest> cheapie: yes, didn't know about the c at the end
• 304[04:22:32] <dax> it stands for compiler
• 305[04:23:09] * cheapie watches some prehistoric version of apt-get doing its thing over here
• 306[04:23:13] <budlight> hello
• 307[04:24:16] <dvs> cheapie, I think it's called "dselect"
• 308[04:24:18] <nevivurn> Given how quickly rust moves, the version packed in debian stable may be too outdated for your needs. Check if the version currently in stable is good enough for you, otherwise you'll need to figure out how to install a more updated rust toolchain.
• 309[04:24:46] <cheapie> dvs: APT was introduced a few versions earlier, in slink.
• 310[04:25:45] <CyberManifest> cheapie: dax: thank you :)
• 311[04:26:18] <CyberManifest> nevivurn: like a backport version ?
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• 313[04:26:48] <dax> no, like rustup. but try what's in the repositories first and only bother with newer stuff if you end up needing it
• 314[04:27:14] <cheapie> There's got to be some joke in there somewhere about "rusty old software" :P
• 315[04:27:30] <cheapie> ...though perhaps that applies more to what I'm installing now...
• 316[04:28:14] <CyberManifest> I don't like rustup cause it tries to put things in my homefolder
• 317[04:28:24] <dax> ok
• 318[04:33:23] <CyberManifest> dax: so from: replaced-url
• 319[04:33:55] <dax> ?
• 320[04:34:02] <dax> I literally said try what's in the repositories first
• 321[04:34:40] <CyberManifest> dax: yes I know
• 322[04:34:48] <dax> have you done that
• 323[04:34:55] <CyberManifest> well I have it installed
• 324[04:35:15] <CyberManifest> but I don't know if it's sufficient for my purpose
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• 326[04:35:50] <dax> so install the other dependencies it lists, then do the cargo command it lists?
• 327[04:38:35] <dax> although considering replaced-url
• 328[04:38:46] <dax> (which i found by searching in their issue tracker for "debian")
• 329[04:38:53] <dax> so, rustup time
• 330[04:39:26] <dax> (or debian testing time, or doing your own rustc backport time, but rustup is by far the simplest answer here)
• 331[04:41:08] <dax> (or alacritty version < 0.6, apparently)
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• 333[04:42:40] <CyberManifest> dax: oops already started with cargo command
• 334[04:42:48] <CyberManifest> ok, build failed
• 335[04:44:20] <CyberManifest> dax: rustup is wanting me to uninstall the debian package of rust
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• 338[04:46:30] <dax> okay
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• 341[04:48:45] <CyberManifest> dax so what's the point of the rustc package?
• 342[04:49:23] <dax> for people who don't need brand new versions of rustc
• 343[04:50:12] <dax> which, it appears, does not include people who need brand new versions of alacritty
• 344[04:50:30] <jmcnaught> It would be the rustc used to compile packages with rust in Debian.
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• 346[04:56:27] <CyberManifest> dax: alacritty doesn't show to be available for my arch on debian
• 347[04:57:17] <CyberManifest> dax: rust doesn't seem to be seeing my path: On step 2 replaced-url
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• 350[05:02:42] <dax> put ~/.cargo/bin in $PATH, i'm pretty sure the rustup instructions discuss how to do that but I don't have it to hand right now
• 351[05:03:06] <dax> also, rustup support options are linked at the bottom of rustup's website. since it isn't a Debian thing, it's not really a #debian thing
• 352[05:04:51] <CyberManifest> dax: where? replaced-url
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• 367[05:24:44] <dvs> !pal cheapie
• 368[05:24:44] * dpkg points at cheapie and laughs hysterically
• 369[05:25:21] <cheapie> Took a fair bit of effort to get X working (and I still need to sort out the video modes), but it *is* working.
• 370[05:27:21] <cheapie> On the other hand, networking and such all went fine... heck, even IPv6 Just Worked(TM), which I wasn't expecting from something this old.
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• 380[05:39:44] <cheapie> Hmm... does anyone know where the volume control was hidden at in KDE 2.2? :P
• 381[05:40:08] <cheapie> Sound works but changing the volume would be nice...
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• 383[05:42:33] <cheapie> Well, setmixer seems to work, I guess.
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• 393[05:53:56] <somiaj> they are messing around with an old version of debian, so things are a bit different
• 394[05:54:39] <cheapie> leorat: This is a version of KDE from like 2002 or something, so no speaker icon there... but I installed setmixer and it seems to work, so that's good enough.
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• 396[05:55:12] <somiaj> is that alsa era, or back in oss, so you need amixer or alsamxier (other options from a console)
• 397[05:55:39] <cheapie> This appears to be using OSS, but again, setmixer worked, so the problem has been solved at this point.
• 398[05:56:15] <somiaj> I was just trying to recall when alsa started to become the standard
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• 496[08:56:28] <Haxxa> Has paste.debian.com been taken down?
• 497[08:57:27] <dax> it's at .net, not .com
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• 499[08:57:37] <dax> and appears to be down either way, huh
• 500[08:57:59] <Haxxa> :( I had an important config I posted for a meeting
• 501[08:58:27] <Haxxa> The wanted reference for it and both backups failed
• 502[08:58:39] <Haxxa> so I was hoping paste would save my a$$
• 503[08:58:48] <Haxxa> *They
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• 513[09:06:52] <jelly> paste.debian.net opens from here
• 514[09:07:39] <dax> my home and VPS think it doesn't have a A record
• 515[09:09:18] <jelly> PING p.snow-crash.org (148.251.236.38) 56(84) bytes of data.
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• 568[10:33:03] <no_gravity> Are there any distraction free text editors in Debian?
• 569[10:33:06] <no_gravity> I tried LibreOffice, but you cannot disable pagebreaks and still have margins around the text with it.
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• 572[10:35:59] <nvz> do you use any particular DE or toolkit?
• 573[10:36:11] <jelly> vim?
• 574[10:36:13] <nvz> kate, gedit, pluma, mouspad..
• 575[10:36:13] <no_gravity> nvz: Me?
• 576[10:36:19] <no_gravity> jelly: vim has no margins around the text.
• 577[10:36:38] <jelly> oh, you _want_ margins
• 578[10:36:51] <no_gravity> Yes. Big margins.
• 579[10:37:24] <jelly> move the window away from the left or right edge of the screen. There. Margins.
• 580[10:37:33] * jelly hides
• 581[10:37:42] <nvz> heh
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• 590[10:38:54] <no_gravity> jelly: No, because with "margin" I mean something that has a width and a different color then the background.
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• 592[10:39:20] <nvz> no_gravity: what are your specific definitions for distraction-free then?
• 593[10:39:54] <no_gravity> nvz: A margin around the text. Something like 100px wide.
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• 596[10:42:04] <nvz> umm.. if the margin is the only significance then I tend to concurr with jelly.. just change the window size :P
• 597[10:42:30] <nvz> if you actually want the print layout to have a margin, they all do that, abiword, libreoffice write..
• 598[10:42:41] <no_gravity> nvz: Window size has nothing to do with the margin.
• 599[10:42:48] <no_gravity> nvz: Unfortunately LibreOffice does not let you disable page break lines.
• 600[10:43:01] <nvz> you mean actually seeing the ends of pages?
• 601[10:43:12] <no_gravity> nvz: I don't write in "pages".
• 602[10:43:15] <nvz> cause thats typically a view mode thing.. you're viewing the document as it'll be printed
• 603[10:43:48] <no_gravity> So with LibreOffice I get margins (at least on the left and right) but annoying "page" lines.
• 604[10:44:20] <nvz> only when in a view that is showing you the printed document
• 605[10:44:38] <jmd> Can anyone tell me how to change how the X Server thinks the monitors are arranged?
• 606[10:45:10] <no_gravity> nvz: Which is the only view with margins.
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• 610[10:47:51] <nvz> try going to view and hitting hide whitespace, that still has a visible page break but FAR less so
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• 620[11:02:56] <nvz> seems they left and I do believe I found what they were looking for :P
• 621[11:03:06] <nvz> ,i focuswriter
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• 623[11:03:08] <judd> Package focuswriter (editors, optional) in buster/amd64: Fullscreen distraction-free writing program. Version: 1.7.1-1; Size: 5940.0k; Installed: 8398k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 626[11:05:08] <nvz> and there memoserv inbox is full so *shrug*
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• 628[11:06:54] <jelly> jmd, temporarily, by using xrandr tool
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• 630[11:07:21] <jmd> jelly: Thanks.
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• 634[11:07:48] <jelly> different DEs have their own control panel UI, chanigng the same settings
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• 636[11:08:54] <nvz> yes well those are graphical interfaces that visually show it where xrandr is a command line utility that just shows you text
• 637[11:09:02] <jelly> (at least, I know KDE and Xfce do)
• 638[11:09:30] <jelly> a bit more useful is, they SAVE settings next time you log in
• 639[11:09:34] <jelly> xrandr does not
• 640[11:09:47] <nvz> yes, well they all have some sort of display settings tool to drag and rearrange the displays, change rotation, resolution, etc..
• 641[11:10:09] <nvz> ,i arandr
• 642[11:10:10] <judd> Package arandr (x11, optional) in buster/amd64: Simple visual front end for XRandR. Version: 0.1.9-2; Size: 62.1k; Installed: 320k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 643[11:10:26] <nvz> was made to kinda be a generic / universal type tool
• 644[11:10:28] <jelly> I don't know about all, only used xfce and kde on debian lately
• 645[11:10:46] <nvz> I'm sorry to hear that :P
• 646[11:10:47] <jelly> does it save settings and apply them on session start
• 647[11:11:14] <nvz> yeah.. on mate it even saves different states
• 648[11:11:29] <jelly> a prefix sounds like it may have been made with AfterStep wm in mind
• 649[11:11:37] <jelly> "a" prefix
• 650[11:11:45] <nvz> it remembers the particular layout of any given monitors
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• 654[11:12:32] <nvz> so I can go from dock to dock with my laptop with different monitors and layouts and it remembers em all
• 655[11:13:05] <nvz> it'll remember how montiors A B C were last, or just A and C or B and D
• 656[11:13:38] <nvz> that sort of thing didnt work for me last I used xfce
• 657[11:13:54] <nvz> it would not properly change to last state on hardware changes while running
• 658[11:14:17] <nvz> actually wouldnt change at all automatically when changing displays
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• 682[11:51:19] <shtrb> Would anyone mind sharing the link for the channel log please ?
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• 684[11:55:01] <gry> shtrb, '/msg dpkg irclog', the last bit in the topic here, says ' #debian on <freenode> is logged at replaced-url
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• 686[11:55:25] <shtrb> thanks gry
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• 732[13:07:51] <Ede|Popede> i just realized that indenting in manpages is completely odd. 7, 4, 3. the normal text is indented 7, but as in the EXAMPLES section of man's own manpage what would be <dl> in HTML uses 4 (which is ok, since it doesn't) insert a new level really. but then later in OPTIONS the further dividing is at 3. with the normal text being at 7 again.
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• 735[13:09:23] <Ede|Popede> for mc(1) it is different again. OPTIONS has some subtitles in column 0, only not capitalized. OPTIONS/Keys uses an additional level with an indent of 2 only. Menu bar even one more, here with 0/2/4. normal text again at 7.
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• 738[13:10:31] <Ede|Popede> greping for a particular option isn't too easy if it's not clear how many spaces there are in front of the dashes.
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• 741[13:12:36] <Ede|Popede> it *seems* that it should be the default 7, but --audio-channels for mpv(1) also has substructures. and here 7+2 spaces must be added.
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• 765[13:28:17] <omarek> Where's the FAQ? I don't see it in /topic
• 766[13:31:08] <jelly> !faq
• 767[13:31:08] <dpkg> [faq] Frequently Asked Questions. The #debian FAQ is at replaced-url
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• 790[13:53:45] <kwami> hi every1... trying to set up a static route on boot start up by editing the interfaces file. No errors shown during the boot, but the added route doesnt appear in the route table: route -e command
• 791[13:57:03] <kwami> Heres is the added line: up route add -net NETWORK/MASK gw MYGATEWAY dev MYDEV
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• 793[13:57:14] <ratrace> kwami: can you pastebin exctly what's in the interfaces file?
• 794[13:58:02] <kwami> @ratrace: 4sure!
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• 797[13:59:12] <kwami> @ratrace:auto wlp2s0
• 798[13:59:12] <kwami> iface wlp2s0 inet static
• 799[13:59:12] <kwami> address 192.168.1.10
• 800[13:59:12] <kwami> netmask 255.255.255.0
• 801[13:59:12] <kwami> gateway 192.168.1.1
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• 803[14:00:47] <ratrace> wellp...
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• 805[14:01:09] <ratrace> kwami: first time on IRC?
• 806[14:01:11] <ratrace> !pastebin
• 807[14:01:11] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
• 808[14:02:13] <kwami> ratrace: yes
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• 816[14:15:01] <kwami> ratrace: replaced-url
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• 818[14:15:42] <kwami> there is no sign up area on the site as well
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• 820[14:16:56] <ratrace> kwami: something wrong with paste.debian.net which is the _first_ pastebin recommended in the factoid?
• 821[14:17:22] <ratrace> if that doesn't work for you, I recommend bpaste.net or dpaste.de
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• 824[14:20:18] <kwami> @ratrace: replaced-url
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• 826[14:22:24] <ratrace> kwami: well, with only one NIC, why do you need an explicit route? the default route already includes sending packets for 192.168.10.0 through wlp2s0, by virtue of a default gateway
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• 828[14:25:18] <kwami> ratrace: the scenario is two networks with a firewall between them. To access the net 192.168.10.0/24 from 1.0/24 need to tell the route
• 829[14:26:19] <ratrace> but you don't have a NIC with 192.168.1.102 addr, so that route is useless as the packets are always routed through the one NIC
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• 831[14:27:00] <ratrace> kwami: or is there another NIC, not visible in that paste, with adddress of 192.168.1.102?
• 832[14:27:29] <kwami> the 1.102 is the firewall which lead all 1.0/24 requests to net 10.0/24
• 833[14:28:48] <ratrace> that's not how networking works
• 834[14:28:50] <kwami> so the GW to 192.168.10.0/24 is the 192.168.1.102 which has two NICs 10.254%24 and 1.102/24
• 835[14:30:02] <ratrace> all network packets have src-ip and dst-ip. routing only defines which NIC to send a particular packet to, doesn't alter its dst-ip. since you have only one NIC, and there's a default gateway stanza, ALL the packets will be sent on that one NIC, even those destined for 192.168.10.0/24
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• 839[14:32:18] <kwami> but when I enter the route manually it works!!
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• 841[14:35:00] <ratrace> kwami: and without the manual route, 192.168.10.0/24 is not accessible?
• 842[14:35:06] <kwami> when I type route add -net 192.168.10/24 via 192.168.1.102/24 dev wlp2s0 the net 1.0/24 pings the 10.0/24 machines
• 843[14:35:38] <ratrace> (btw, `route` is deprecated in favor of `ip route`)
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• 845[14:36:33] <kwami> Yes, sorry I use ip route instead
• 846[14:36:49] <ratrace> kwami: and without the manual route, 192.168.10.0/24 is not accessible?
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• 848[14:37:18] <kwami> without it is unreachable
• 849[14:38:36] <ratrace> weird topology. okay, try adding this to the interfaces stanza post-up ip route add 192.168.10.0/24 via 192.168.1.102 dev wlp2s0
• 850[14:38:47] <kwami> ratrace: Ill paste both outputs: before and after the manual command
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• 855[14:42:11] <kwami> ratrace:replaced-url
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• 857[14:44:21] <ratrace> kwami: so try the post-up ip route add .... line I mentioned above
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• 866[14:52:06] <omarek> Hello isn't it a bit strange that my ~/.profile includes ~/.bashrc ?
• 867[14:52:32] <omarek> I don't think it should do that.
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• 870[14:54:05] <kwami> ratrace: the static route doesnt work when a reboot the machine
• 871[14:54:16] <ratrace> omarek: why not? .profile is for _login_ shells. .bashrc won't be sourced automatically on login shells, so it's included
• 872[14:54:20] <kwami> when I ***
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• 874[14:54:33] <ratrace> kwami: with "post-up" instead of just "up" ?
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• 877[14:54:56] <kwami> ratrace with post-up
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• 879[14:56:37] <omarek> ratrace: The first comment in my ~/.bashrc says: "executed by bash(1) for non-login shells".
• 880[14:57:03] <ratrace> omarek: yup
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• 882[14:57:24] <omarek> It could be understood that it's not _meant_ for login shells.
• 883[14:57:31] <ratrace> kwami: so by "doesn't work" you mean the static route is NOT added at all to the routing table?
• 884[14:57:56] <ratrace> omarek: no, there's no logicall following in that
• 885[14:58:09] <omarek> So if all my shells include ~/.profile eventually, and ~/.profile includes ~/.bashrc, it breaks the intentional purpose, doesn't it?
• 886[14:58:55] <ratrace> omarek: no. the include allows you to reuse the bashrc stanzas specifically in login environments
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• 889[14:59:28] <kwami> ratrace: exactly
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• 891[15:00:09] <ratrace> kwami: any error in the logs? journalctl -b -u networking.service or in dmesg ?
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• 903[15:09:53] <ratrace> kwami: any error in the logs? journalctl -b -u networking.service or in dmesg ?
• 904[15:10:50] <omarek> So what startup files are supposed to be loaded ONLY for non-login shells?
• 905[15:11:22] <omarek> In practice, I think ~/.xsessionrc, but that's more of a graphical environment thing.
• 906[15:11:49] <kwami_> ratrace: that's weird. No erros shown
• 907[15:12:34] <kwami_> I'll add the static route with an after boot script.
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• 910[15:15:03] <ratrace> omarek: xsessionrc has nothing to do with shells
• 911[15:15:41] <ratrace> kwami_: I was going to recommend a simple Type=oneshot systemd unit, making it depend on After=network-online.target
• 912[15:15:43] <omarek> I'm having a problem where some/all of my ~/.profile, ~/.bashrc, /.bash_profile are not read. I'm using gnome-terminal under i3 window manager, Debian 10.
• 913[15:16:22] <ratrace> kwami_: but ....... the /etc/network/interfaces way MUST work. I _think_ the problem is in that being a wireless interface so there's a race condition somehwere, route being added before the network is properly set up
• 914[15:16:34] <omarek> The files are read when I log in in CTRL-ALT-F1, for example. My aliases for PATH especially.
• 915[15:16:43] <omarek> But not for gnome-terminal under i3 wm.
• 916[15:17:08] <ratrace> omarek: ~/.profile is not read by bash if ~/.bash_profile exists
• 917[15:17:33] <ratrace> as the top line comment in default ~/.profile states
• 918[15:17:46] <omarek> ratrace: and I recently modified my ~/.bash_profile to explicitly run ~/.profile and ~/.bashrc
• 919[15:18:20] <omarek> Maybe I just need to log out and log in, for the graphical environment.
• 920[15:18:52] <ratrace> maybe. I don't know how gnome terminal treats spawning of new windows (is it a login shell or not)
• 921[15:19:01] <ratrace> btw.... gnome terminal unde i3.... what a blasphemy.
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• 923[15:19:26] <kwami_> ratrace: You're right. There is something conflicting the networking set up!
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• 932[15:28:00] <twb> I am sick of using replaced-url
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• 974[16:19:50] <ksk> MTecknology: were you able to fix your "Play some game on debian" Issue? (did just see it in a broken ssh connections buffer ;)
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• 981[16:23:57] <ksk> leaving the debian ecosystem here, but I found lutris most useful. Kind of a wine enviroment manager, with (working) preconfigured environments for many games, and binary distribution of wine (with latest dxvk-foo) releases.
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• 983[16:25:37] <ratrace> I switched to gpu pass VM because borderlands3 is broken under proton
• 984[16:25:54] <strive> :(
• 985[16:26:02] <ratrace> (then not wanting to maintain multiple steam installations, I moved all the gaming to the VM)
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• 994[16:31:08] <maxcell_> vim.tiny /etc/pulse/pulse.conf autospawn=no ; that's all i have to do to completely disable pulseaudio forever?
• 995[16:31:31] <ratrace> !xy
• 996[16:31:31] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
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• 1007[16:36:48] <stockholm> i am looking for help with my network issue (how to configure a VLAN aware bridge on a dedicated trunk interface)
• 1008[16:36:58] <stockholm> what would be the best irc channel for that?
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• 1013[16:39:36] <ratrace> stockholm: #networking maybe
• 1014[16:39:53] <stockholm> oh, good idea :-)
• 1015[16:40:39] <ratrace> stockholm: ##networking (double hash)
• 1016[16:41:08] <stockholm> yes, i got redirected there. thank you
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• 1039[17:04:44] <benjam2000> Is there an limit for max SSH-sessions on client side?
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• 1051[17:16:15] <jelly> benjam2000, not really. If your user has resources to spawn 5000 ssh sessions, go have fun
• 1052[17:16:56] <jelly> you can write a, say, Go program, to use async methods and open 100000 ssh sessions.
• 1053[17:17:21] <jelly> (this is not a completely hypothetical example)
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• 1061[17:32:44] <benjam2000> jelly: even if use the ControlMaster and ControlPath options to connect to several hundred Hosts?
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• 1082[17:45:07] <x3dre> Hi I'm using Debian GNU/Linux bullseye/sid.
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• 1084[17:45:46] <x3dre> I am having a problem trying to log into plasma desktop and I keep getting returned to the gui gdm3 login prompt, which is only allowing me to, log into gnome desktop environment. I have tried dpkg --reconfigure lxdm to try a different display manager, but I cannot get this to appear on screen to log into. tia
• 1085[17:46:15] <x3dre> I do hope I'm making sense above.
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• 1091[17:49:41] <x3dre> I have installed lxdm, plamsa, openbox, xfce desktops. I can only use gnome desktop as I want to use gnome-xwayland for zoom to work but when I try to log into this xwayland I get returned to gnome login prompt ...
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• 1100[17:58:33] <x3dre> Can anyone help please?
• 1101[17:59:47] <sney> I'm not really awake enough to troubleshoot, but I can tell you that you're in the wrong channel for testing.
• 1102[17:59:50] <sney> !debian-next
• 1103[17:59:50] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
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• 1105[18:01:18] <x3dre> sney many thanks I'll head over there. :)
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• 1108[18:02:04] <x3dre> sney you have to be invited ...
• 1109[18:02:07] <x3dre> :/
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• 1111[18:02:12] <sney> read the factoid again.
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• 1113[18:04:26] <Ede|Popede> may help to hide the channel name somewhere in the middle of the text, so people are forced to read it instead of just clicking the link.
• 1114[18:04:37] <sney> lol maybe
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• 1131[18:17:55] <x3dre> sney now I've read the topics , I still didn't see how to be allowed into the debian-next maybe I missing something?
• 1132[18:18:53] <sney> this isn't you? [10:08:17] <x3dre_> hello
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• 1134[18:19:54] <x3dre> yes it is but I see only one ID that's left and no one else in the list?
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• 1137[18:20:07] <sney> irc doesn't seem very active today. probably because it's a holiday in north america. but you are in the channel, yes.
• 1138[18:20:37] <sney> there are 313 users in oftc #debian-next and one of them is you.
• 1139[18:20:39] <x3dre> ok I didn't know that. I'm in the UK...
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• 1142[18:21:17] <x3dre> I'll ask my question there.
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• 1179[18:56:49] <kfogel> I'm getting a "No space left on device" problem with my /boot partition when I do 'apt-get dist-upgrade' or other 'apt-get' operations. The usual 'apt-get purge ...' solution doesn't look like a good option. Any ideas? Details here: replaced-url
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• 1184[18:59:08] <nkuttler> kfogel: tried removing kernels you don't use?
• 1185[19:00:58] <nkuttler> kfogel: output of df -h, du -hs /boot/* ?
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• 1193[19:09:10] <kfogel> nkuttler: Thanks. There are only two kernels in there, and one of them probably isn't fully installed.
• 1194[19:09:15] <kfogel> nkuttler: getting output
• 1195[19:09:31] <kfogel> nkuttler: (pastes are slow because the machine I'm upgrading is not where I'm doing this IRC)
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• 1198[19:12:38] <kfogel> nkuttler: I put the new output at the bottom of replaced-url
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• 1202[19:13:26] <nkuttler> hm, your initrds are quite big
• 1203[19:13:55] <kfogel> nkuttler: So, normally in this situation I just remove any kernels I'm not using. But as I said in the original paste, the problem this time is that there aren't any kernels I'm not using -- there's 5.7.0-2-amd64, which is what's currently running, and there's the incompletely-installed 5.7.0-3-amd64. I don't want to just remove 5.7.0-2, because that might make my machine unbootalbe.
• 1204[19:14:01] <kfogel> "unbootable"
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• 1206[19:14:17] <kfogel> nkuttler: Ah, are they? I don't know what the standard sizes for initrds is.
• 1207[19:14:18] <nkuttler> right
• 1208[19:17:09] <kfogel> nkuttler: I have an idea... maybe I could 'apt-get purge linux-image-5.7.0-3-amd64' and reinstall it, on the theory that the 'initramfs-tools' configuration is failing because it's writing to a tmp file that it intends to then renamed. In other words, there *temporarily* isn't enough space on the device for the upgrade process, but there would be enough space to have both kernels together once the process were completede.
• 1209[19:17:23] <kfogel> (sorry, dunno why so many typos today)
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• 1211[19:21:36] <kfogel> nkuttler: Ok, that worked! I did 'apt-get purge linux-image-5.7.0-3-amd64', then 'apt-get install linux-image-5.7.0-3-amd64' (followed by 'apt-get install linux-headers-5.7.0-3-amd64', because the previous command advised me to do so).
• 1212[19:21:55] <n_1-c_k> kfogel, what's the output of 'tail -1 /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/driver-policy' ?
• 1213[19:21:58] <kfogel> nkuttler: Everything is fine now. Thanks for your time.
• 1214[19:22:06] <kfogel> n_1-c_k: Ah, see above: I found a solution
• 1215[19:22:08] <greycat> you need the -headers- package if you have DKMS modules that need to be built
• 1216[19:22:14] <kfogel> n_1-c_k: But I'll get the answer to the above, one sec.
• 1217[19:22:33] <kfogel> greycat: *nod* thanks
• 1218[19:22:51] <somiaj> kfogel: Is this a backports kernel? It almost appears you are running testing or sid?
• 1219[19:23:11] <kfogel> somiaj: I'm running testing.
• 1220[19:23:35] <kfogel> n_1-c_k: Interestingly, the only file in that directory is /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume'. There is no 'driver-policy'.
• 1221[19:24:05] <somiaj> kfogel: in the future please use #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for support. I wonder if part of the reason those initrd images seem big is just a newer kernel (My images are smaller, but I'm on the stable kernel)
• 1222[19:24:47] <kfogel> somiaj: (Your nick is familiar; I think you have helped me before, and you may even have advised me to use #debian-next before! It's been long enough that I forgot; I'll go make a note of it.)
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• 1224[19:25:17] <somiaj> also might want to think of increasing the size of /boot
• 1225[19:25:18] <n_1-c_k> kfogel, oh... I thought it might say 'MODULES=most'. Mine has 'MODULES=dep' which might make the initrd smaller. Mine are about 9.7MB for comparison.
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• 1227[19:25:27] <Twemlow> Hi i just finnished upgrading my debian 10, however its says firmware bug, and end kernel panic - not syncing, how can i fix this? My keyboard doesnt work to type in this instance
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• 1233[19:26:25] <nkuttler> on sid mine is: 32M /boot/initrd.img-5.7.0-3-amd64
• 1234[19:26:50] <greycat> 29M /boot/initrd.img-4.19.0-10-amd64
• 1235[19:26:50] <greycat> 29M /boot/initrd.img-4.19.0-9-amd64
• 1236[19:27:59] <n_1-c_k> Probably (?) I acquired my 'MODULES=dep' by choosing the smaller initrd option during install, which requires claiming to be clever at the outset of the installation.
• 1237[19:28:19] <n_1-c_k> "advanced options" or whatever they called it.
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• 1239[19:29:10] <somiaj> n_1-c_k: I use all, and am only like 32M on 4.19, so I guess there is something else than just a newer kernel. I know newer kernels have bigger initrd images, but usally only grow by a few megs every few years.
• 1240[19:29:20] <somiaj> (so being double does seem strange, but could have been a possiblity)
• 1241[19:30:39] <sney> initrd on my bullseye system is in the 60MB range
• 1242[19:31:20] <somiaj> hmm, that is what kfogel were too, maybe it is doubling
• 1243[19:32:19] <greycat> the #debian-next people might know more about that
• 1244[19:32:53] <sney> this hard drive has followed me across a bunch of different machines with little trouble, so I probably have MODULES=most
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• 1246[19:33:27] <sney> and... yep!
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• 1263[19:55:29] <kfogel> somiaj:
• 1264[19:55:48] <kfogel> (sorry -- accidentally hit Enter)
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• 1310[20:49:18] <MatCat> Question, on replaced-url
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• 1313[20:53:22] <brachamh> i tried installing certbot, as part of the process it tried running "a2enconf apache2-doc" and errored out. now it tries running that same command every time i run "apt install/remove/reinstall/autoremove" and simply errors out.
• 1314[20:56:02] <karlpinc> brachamh: What did you do to install certbot?
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• 1320[20:58:19] <karlpinc> !tell MatCat about backports
• 1321[20:58:42] <karlpinc> MatCat: However, stretch is out of support and I don't know what that means for backports.
• 1322[20:59:21] <sney> stretch is oldstable so everything is still up, currently
• 1323[20:59:53] <brachamh> followed instructions on their site: apt update, apt-get install certbot python-certbot-apache
• 1324[20:59:53] <greycat> MatCat: you're aware that you have to specify "apt-get -t stretch-backports pkgname", right?
• 1325[21:00:27] <greycat> err, with a verb also
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• 1330[21:02:55] <brachamh> karlpinc, sorry i didn't mention you in my replies
• 1331[21:04:09] <karlpinc> brachamh: Dunno. I don't recall installing python-certbot-apache. Anyhow, this seems like an apt related problem so we need more info. See below:
• 1332[21:04:10] <karlpinc> !bat
• 1333[21:04:11] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 1335[21:06:43] <brachamh> ok thanks i'll get started
• 1336[21:07:22] <MatCat> greycat did not know that
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• 1338[21:07:35] <greycat> It's in the instructions for the backports.
• 1339[21:07:37] <greycat> !stretch-backports
• 1340[21:07:38] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. To enable, add 'deb replaced-url
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• 1342[21:07:50] <greycat> Bah. Bad bot.
• 1343[21:08:01] <MatCat> Doh, I am on buster though
• 1344[21:08:04] <greycat> dpkg buster-backports
• 1345[21:08:04] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See replaced-url
• 1346[21:08:11] <MatCat> how can I get > 1.67 boost on buster argh
• 1347[21:08:22] <MatCat> > or = to
• 1348[21:08:33] <greycat> you said stretch-backports in your original question
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• 1350[21:08:40] <MatCat> yeah I didn't realize
• 1351[21:08:46] <MatCat> I saw stretch had a 1.67
• 1352[21:08:55] <MatCat> why is buster which is newer on an older boost :(
• 1353[21:09:06] <MatCat> I need boost beast which is only in 1.67 and newer
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• 1355[21:09:41] <greycat> ,v libboost1.67-dev
• 1356[21:09:42] <judd> Package: libboost1.67-dev on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 1.67.0-13+deb10u1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.67.0-13+deb10u1
• 1357[21:09:50] <greycat> buster has 1.67.0-13+deb10u1
• 1358[21:10:04] <MatCat> if I do apt-get install libboost1.67-dev no package found
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• 1360[21:11:08] <MatCat> oh I confused myself, I was logged into the wrong machine, the one I want is stretch
• 1361[21:11:22] <greycat> then you'll need to follow the instructions for stretch-backports
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• 1363[21:11:57] <MatCat> E: The value 'stretch-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
• 1364[21:12:23] <MatCat> apt-get install -t stretch-backports libboost1.67-dev
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• 1366[21:14:08] <greycat> did you set up the repository as the instructions said to do?
• 1367[21:14:17] <MatCat> you just said do the -t
• 1368[21:14:22] <MatCat> I didn't see other instructions
• 1369[21:14:31] <greycat> FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS ON THE WEB PAGE
• 1370[21:14:42] <MatCat> what webpage?
• 1371[21:14:51] <greycat> replaced-url
• 1372[21:14:58] <MatCat> didn't see you post that before
• 1373[21:16:30] <MatCat> FINALLY got this code to compile, THANKS
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• 1397[21:35:00] <ha3mak> hi
• 1398[21:35:21] <ha3mak> I'd like to turn off IPv6 address autoconfig on my Debian. I set this in sysctl.conf: net.ipv6.conf.all.autoconf=0
• 1399[21:35:26] <ha3mak> and also net.ipv6.conf.default.autoconf=0
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• 1401[21:35:49] <ha3mak> I noticed all and/or default won't set it for the interfaces like eth0
• 1402[21:35:56] <ha3mak> cat /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/eth0/autoconf gives "1"
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• 1404[21:36:06] <ha3mak> is it normal or is it a bug?
• 1405[21:36:58] <ha3mak> I know it can be workaround with a loop and turn off autoconf for every interface but shouldn't work it with "all" or "defult"?
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• 1407[21:37:57] <brachamh> karlpinc, apt autoremove replaced-url
• 1408[21:37:57] <brachamh> apt-cache policy apache2 replaced-url
• 1409[21:37:57] <brachamh> apt-cache policy apache2-doc replaced-url
• 1410[21:37:57] <brachamh> apt-cache policy replaced-url
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• 1415[21:45:50] <Maws> Any tips on how one could add support for Force feedback joysticks in the kernel ?
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• 1421[21:49:14] <pillule> hello, is there a french dictionnary whith definitions packaged like dict-gcide ?
• 1422[21:49:39] <somiaj> ha3mak: often times people who want to do that are trying to solve an xy problem, what is the real issue you are experiencing?
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• 1425[21:51:53] <ha3mak> somiaj: I'm making some salt states for hardening. I'd like to disable autoconfig for my servers because i config IPv6 on them manually
• 1426[21:52:21] <ha3mak> so my real problem to disable autoconfig for all interfaces and I will enable it only on that interface where I need to
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• 1434[21:58:37] <somiaj> ha3mak: I can only share what I find in google, maybe you need to disable eth0 directly, this post suggests using echo, replaced-url
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• 1436[21:59:06] <somiaj> maybe you have to net.ipv6.conf.eth0.autoconf=0 and disable it for all the devices, then turn it on as needed
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• 1438[22:03:18] <somiaj> ha3mak: oh you already figured all that out, maybe report it as a bug, because it does seem strange that default or all doesn't apply
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• 1440[22:04:16] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 1441[22:04:38] <somiaj> oh that is an old bug
• 1442[22:04:57] <another> do you actually want to disable autoconfig or just not accept ra?
• 1443[22:05:07] <ha3mak> somiaj: yes, I already found these sites but I wasn't sure if it's a bug
• 1444[22:05:36] <ha3mak> another: I don't want to get an address or prefix
• 1445[22:05:43] <ha3mak> so I think it's autoconfig only
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• 1447[22:06:12] <ha3mak> If i turn off ra then I won't get some important settings also, I think
• 1448[22:06:21] <kingsley> Debian has historically had good dependency management, so maybe you'll be interested to read that Gentoo linux's dependency calculations were evidently sped up by around 50-60%. If I understand correctly, they used a python dict and hashing for faster lookups. The author wrote that on a ThinkPad X220, "emerge -uDvpU --with-bdeps=y @world" went from 5 min 20 sec to 3 min 16 sec. Details are at replaced-url
• 1449[22:06:21] <kingsley> zqb/portage_300_released_with_up_to_5060_faster/
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• 1453[22:07:46] <ha3mak> This is what I set already: replaced-url
• 1454[22:07:51] <somiaj> hmm found some old kernel bug that they tagged as 'will not fix' about that, but not finding any current info.
• 1455[22:08:06] <ha3mak> I tried to comment out everything except the autoconfig=0 but didn't worked.. :)
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• 1457[22:08:23] <ha3mak> somiaj: It's a kernel bug or a Debian specific?
• 1458[22:08:33] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 1461[22:09:19] <somiaj> "And what about it after 5 months? Still nothing changed. Personally, I
• 1462[22:09:19] <somiaj> don't understand for what reason there are /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/*
• 1463[22:09:20] <somiaj> knobs if they don't do anything."
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• 1465[22:09:49] <ha3mak> :\
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• 1467[22:09:56] <ha3mak> I'll try to report it again
• 1468[22:10:20] <ha3mak> but I can see there are some IPv6 specific options under /proc which aren't really done yet
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• 1470[22:10:31] <somiaj> So seems you aren't alone, that ubuntu bug ahd a comment in 2018 still an issue, can't seem to find any newer kernel bugs about this, though my searching may not be complete.
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• 1472[22:13:00] <another> ha3mak: hmm.. wild stab in the dark, but... maybe try setting accept_ra before autoconf
• 1473[22:13:23] <ha3mak> Just a sec and I'll try it
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• 1475[22:14:06] <another> since autoconf defaults on accpet_ra_pinfo which in turn default to accept_ra
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• 1477[22:15:10] <ha3mak> another: didn't help but thanks for the guess
• 1478[22:17:44] <another> aight
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• 1491[22:26:01] <a|3x> hi
• 1492[22:26:33] <a|3x> i've added dns-nameservers line to /etc/network/interfaces, how do i trigger regeneration of /etc/resolv.conf?
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• 1494[22:27:11] <oxek> a|3x: restart networking service
• 1495[22:27:12] <greycat> bring the interface down and up
• 1496[22:27:52] <a|3x> systemctl restart networking doesn't work
• 1497[22:28:27] <a|3x> im connected over ssh, i probably shouldn't bring interface down
• 1498[22:28:47] <greycat> ... and what did you think restarting networking was going to do?
• 1499[22:29:00] <oxek> hmm, maybe I am wrong then
• 1500[22:29:04] <oxek> worked for me before though
• 1501[22:29:18] <a|3x> restarting brings it up without any additional commands and therefore ssh keeps going
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• 1505[22:30:45] <oxek> a|3x: what's the first line in /etc/resolv.conf?
• 1506[22:31:16] <oxek> that should tell you which program currently manages that file
• 1507[22:31:24] <oxek> (dns is a mess on linux)
• 1508[22:31:37] <greycat> it *may* tell yoy
• 1509[22:32:06] <a|3x> i mean it sort of does, i neglected to pay attention to it
• 1510[22:32:07] <a|3x> # Generated by Linode Network Helper
• 1511[22:32:51] <greycat> ok, you're one of the "lucky" ones then
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• 1513[22:33:34] <a|3x> now i have to figure out how to work this "network helper"
• 1514[22:33:58] <a|3x> i've been having apparent issues with dns, it wouldn't resolve random stuff properly
• 1515[22:34:07] <somiaj> a|3x: what did you use to enable the nameservers (what was the key word in the config file)?
• 1516[22:34:20] <karlpinc> brachamh: Nothing jumps out at me. You didn't paste the apt-cache policy for the certbot packages, which is what caused the problems. Some things to try: apt update And maybe do a --force to install apache2-doc, but try it without the force first. And maybe don't use --force at all, because I don't know for sure what sort of trouble that might cause.
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• 1519[22:34:57] <a|3x> somiaj, 'dns-nameservers 72.14.188.5 66.228.53.5 96.126.122.5 96.126.124.5 96.126.127.5 198.58.111.5 23.239.24.5'
• 1520[22:35:47] <greycat> I don't know what a "Linode Network Helper" is, but it sounds proprietary-ish. Linode is a hosting company, right?
• 1521[22:35:49] <karlpinc> brachamh: (Installing apache2-doc is a kludge, because you shouldn't be getting this error. While it might "solve" your problem, it won't reveal the underlying cause and so you don't really know what's broken.)
• 1522[22:36:01] <somiaj> a|3x: do you have resolvconf or openresolv installed? Those options require that package
• 1523[22:36:31] <greycat> google found replaced-url
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• 1525[22:36:41] <brachamh> karlpinc, oops, ok i didn't understand that properly apparently. i've moved on and attempted to troubleshoot it myself now anyway, actually trying to figure out what the base problem is. i'll come back if i screw myself right over lol. thanks!
• 1526[22:36:41] <somiaj> also those packages will help random things from overrighting your resolv.conf file
• 1527[22:36:48] <a|3x> greycat, yes
• 1528[22:36:58] <greycat> If you are in fact a customer of Linode, then I'd recommend reading that...
• 1529[22:37:45] <a|3x> somiaj,
• 1530[22:37:54] <a|3x> somiaj, i don't think any of them are installed
• 1531[22:38:19] <somiaj> a|3x: then that option wont' do anything, resolvconf is teh stadandard, but openresolv is an alternative, debian has them both in main
• 1532[22:38:53] <somiaj> well the common one, I've always used resolvconf and not openresolv, you can read up on them as to any differences, also listen to greycat about reading some linenode docs
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• 1534[22:39:39] <greycat> ode to linen
• 1535[22:40:28] <a|3x> greycat, yes this is what i was looking for
• 1536[22:40:52] <a|3x> thanks
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• 1544[22:51:03] <MTecknology> ksk: Nope, I didn't get it figured out.
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• 1558[23:00:40] <karlpinc> brachamh: I'm not really focused on being in this channel today....
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• 1563[23:03:26] <karlpinc> brachamh: FWIW I always do "certonly" and --webroot, and make the webserver config changes myself. (The point being to make where the certbot sticks it's messages to the certbotserver to be available via http, not https.)
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• 1571[23:08:50] <brachamh> karlpinc, i ended up backing up custom stuff and then purging apache, then reinstalling it. i then installed certbot and python-certbot-apache separately, and so far it's all worked now.
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• 1573[23:09:44] <brachamh> although that's as far as i've gotten
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• 1575[23:11:24] <brachamh> thanks for your thoughts, also
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• 1611[23:44:04] <jhutchins> a|3x: You probably should check with Linode support and see how you're supposed to set it up.
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