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5[00:06:11] <blebz> OK.. that.. *seemed* to work I am rebooting now..
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42[00:38:53] <blebz> I don't think it worked..
43[00:39:58] <blebz> It went into emergency mode again as soon as I put a line in fstab
44[00:40:54] <blebz> And now when I lsblk I got md127
45[00:41:18] <blebz> Arrrrrrrg...
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73[01:21:16] <blebz> Dang.. still not working.. I'm going to bed... Zzz
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77[01:24:16] <jim> hi, question appeared on ##linux, is there a test to determine whether an iso image is a hybrid?
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82[01:28:15] <Unit193> jim: I just look at fdisk -l *.iso
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90[01:30:47] <mutante> jim: the output of "file foo.iso" should also look different per replaced-url
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100[01:34:28] <jim> thanks Unit193 and mutante
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115[01:58:02] <yanmaani> There used to be a panel item in XFCE that showed how much free space was left on each partition. It disappeared with the update. Anyone know what it's called and in what package I can find it?
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122[02:00:50] <Unit193> ,i xfce4-fsguard-plugin
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124[02:00:52] <judd> Package xfce4-fsguard-plugin (xfce, optional) in buster/amd64: filesystem monitor plugin for the Xfce4 panel. Version: 1.1.0-2; Size: 83.0k; Installed: 424k; Homepage: replaced-url
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197[03:31:44] <alex11> which package is associated with bind9?
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199[03:33:14] <sponix> ,v bind9
200[03:33:15] <judd> Package: bind9 on amd64 -- jessie: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u15; jessie-security: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u19; stretch: 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.3+deb9u6; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.3+deb9u6; stretch-security: 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.3+deb9u6; stretch-backports: 1:9.11.5.P4+dfsg-5~bpo9+1; buster: 1:9.11.5.P4+dfsg-5.1+deb10u1; buster-security: 1:9.11.5.P4+dfsg-5.1+deb10u1; bullseye:
201[03:33:16] <judd> 1:9.16.6-2; sid: 1:9.16.6-2
202[03:33:19] <alex11> oh, it literally is just that
203[03:33:26] <sponix> alex11: probably the "bind9" package
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298[05:33:00] <fuxxy> Would it be possible to "sniff" the data sent/received on a serial port from a process?
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302[05:36:53] <sney> I can't think of anything out of the box, but it's probably something you could do with a serial console emulator by presenting a different "port" to the program in question
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315[05:54:30] <mason> fuxxy: strace could conceivably help
316[05:55:01] <fuxxy> I've attempted strace, but I can't make any conceivable sense of the output
317[05:55:20] <fuxxy> replaced-url
318[05:55:26] <mason> fuxxy: Look for IO calls, and if you've bumped the capture size sufficiently you might get everything.
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320[05:57:33] <mason> fuxxy: You've cut off all the data you want. Try a bigger string size.
321[05:57:47] <mason> fuxxy: -s 4096 or something, maybe bigger
322[05:58:29] <mason> then focus on the read/write calls I'm guessing
323[05:59:12] <mason> maybe use -x or -xx
324[06:00:51] <SerajewelKS> a custom preload library would also work
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326[06:01:20] <mason> SerajewelKS: How would that work? Tee off all the read/write traffic?
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358[07:08:49] <SerajewelKS> mason: do whatever you want with it basically
359[07:10:42] <SerajewelKS> mason: a preload library lets you intercept a call to any shared library function basically. so you could intercept things like open(), fopen(), write(), fwrite(), read(), fread(), track what fd's you're interested, and put the read/written data somewhere. and, of course, pass the call on to the system.
360[07:10:56] <SerajewelKS> interested in*
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507[10:24:35] <fiet> I just upgraded to Debian 10 and am running into messages like "Bash: fork: restry resource temporarily unavailable". This is likely a ulimit. How can I check which particular ulimit I am running into?
508[10:24:57] <fiet> I've set it quite wide, I believe, but still seeing these.
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511[10:29:15] <RoyK> fiet: check the number of processes running with "ps axf" or something
512[10:29:24] <RoyK> if ps is able to run, that is :þ
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515[10:35:45] <fiet> RoyK: Yes, that is well below the set ulimit
516[10:37:11] <fiet> ulimit -u is 62987, while I have just over a hundred running processes.
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520[10:39:26] <fiet> My ulimit -a: replaced-url
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522[10:39:48] <RoyK> hm… not sure replaced-url
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524[10:40:05] <RoyK> what about the kernel limits?
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527[10:40:41] <fiet> Could be, but I'm wondering how to check which limit I'm running into
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529[10:41:31] <alexises> hello, I have a quite simple question related to rsync. I would like to exclude "*.tar.gz" but only on pool/ dir and his subdirectory
530[10:41:38] <alexises> bot not on other dir
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532[10:42:16] <alexises> so I can't do --exclude "pool/*.tar.gz" nor --exclude "*.tar/gz"
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535[10:43:33] <fiet> alexises: use single quotes
536[10:44:11] <fiet> not sure if that works with wildcards though
537[10:44:53] <alexises> wilecard here only work on file, not on the whole path
538[10:44:56] <alexises> it's my issue ;)
539[10:45:37] <alexises> but this shit work :(
540[10:45:40] <alexises> --exclude pool/*/*/*/*.tar.gz --exclude pool/*/*/*/*.tar.xz --exclude pool/*/*/*/*.tar.bz2
541[10:45:55] <RoyK> perhaps see --filter
542[10:46:10] <alexises> because all dir are done like pool/main/a/another-funny-package/annother-funny-package.tat.gz :(
543[10:46:17] <fiet> alexises: That's just plain voodoo
544[10:46:18] <alexises> but not really consistent :(
545[10:46:42] <alexises> it's not like my rsync command is 26 line :D
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606[11:45:54] <alive> Hi, google is not helping me. I made a standard debian install that I intend to use with kvm/libvirt. I started a vm and assigned it to the bridge network. dhcp fails on the VM, but if I set a static IP, it networks as expected.
607[11:46:19] <alive> What should I look for first? iptables is not affecting the br0 or the ens1 interfaces in any way.
608[11:46:30] <alive> (or the vnet0 interface)
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611[11:49:27] <alive> s/ens1/eno1
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620[12:00:19] <hegemoOn> one of my server has grub fucked up
621[12:00:25] <hegemoOn> cannot find normal.mod
622[12:00:52] <hegemoOn> and in grub rescue i dont see this file when i do an ls (md0)/grub/i386-pc/
623[12:01:12] <hegemoOn> is it possible to boot a live cd and do a grub install after chroot ?
624[12:01:27] <hegemoOn> is install cd from debian allow me to do that ?
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626[12:02:21] <bolt> hegemoOn: yes, you can reinstall grub from a live cd
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628[12:03:07] <bolt> hegemoOn: Consider reading replaced-url
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636[12:09:45] <hegemoOn> ok
637[12:09:49] <hegemoOn> thanks
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639[12:10:19] <alive> Oh well there it is, i fixed the issue by rebooting the machine >_<
640[12:10:36] <alive> thanks for the most useful piece of advice in my entire sysadmin career, IT Crowd :D
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645[12:14:56] <jelly> is there a switch to rsync only files that already exist on destination
646[12:15:01] <jelly> --existing skip creating new files on receiver
647[12:15:06] <jelly> thanks
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699[13:23:38] <rtyuio> hi
700[13:24:10] <rtyuio> what is the defaut engine with apache ? i can see event is that normal ?
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725[13:43:42] <Fox> it is
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727[13:45:01] <Ede|Popede> rtyuio: see the postinst script of the apache2 package
728[13:45:40] <rtyuio> ok understand
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730[13:45:57] <Ede|Popede> did the packaging change over the last few releases? i think i can remember that only one mpm was installed exclusively at the same time
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739[13:54:58] <rtyuio> i can only event apache over a fresh install of debian
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747[14:01:11] <Ede|Popede> if they didn't change it from oldstable (*cough*) to stable they all should be in apache2-bin
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751[14:05:13] <Ede|Popede> these MPMs still confuse me, when do i need or want which one... seems i need to make up a table
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755[14:06:55] <rtyuio> ok
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757[14:08:26] <Ede|Popede> as in "multithread" vs "PHP" vs" it's not 2000 anymore!"
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759[14:09:49] <H4ndy> Sounds like it didn't get any better since I switched away from Apache 10 years ago :D
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770[14:19:15] <ksk> and dont forget about all the flavours of said variants ;)
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821[15:09:38] <Ede|Popede> i started to configure my own installation from scratch, trying to really get what every step does. did it already some years ago when i wanted to have the latest stable mediawiki running on it, was a bit of work. seems that most of what i did learn back then is already forgotten :(
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823[15:10:49] <Ede|Popede> H4ndy: actually it did. iirc the mpm thing was that it came in 4 packages, each in its own. so a change in the mpm used meant to replace it.
824[15:11:16] <Ede|Popede> even better, the .so was available already, the mpm packages only changed the configuration :D
825[15:12:19] <Ede|Popede> so with a manual hack it was possible to run 2 instances, like one for daily work, the other one for php-fpm or whatever, only not when relying on the preconfiguration
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833[15:20:01] <rtyuio> hello
834[15:20:30] <rtyuio> should we need to use private or public to connect to a ssh server from remote host ?
835[15:20:51] <nevivurn> private or public *what*?
836[15:21:00] <rtyuio> key
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841[15:23:48] <cluonbeam> rtyuio: This is one of those things that a cursory internet search would likely solve.
842[15:23:53] <cluonbeam> rtyuio: replaced-url
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968[18:02:59] <oxek> ,v scrcpy
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970[18:03:00] <judd> Package: scrcpy on amd64 -- sid: 1.14-1
971[18:03:16] <oxek> scrcpy has been removed from testing (which I used for backports), with this message replaced-url
972[18:03:54] <oxek> can someone please explain what that means? Is it something for the author of scrcpy to do? Does it mean the package was doing something wrong or incompatible with debian?
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977[18:07:38] <ole_> Hi, I have installed some packages from deb files via `apt install file.deb`. Can I somehow figure out a list of installed packages that were installed from deb files instead of via repositories?
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979[18:09:30] <mutante> ole_: try "apt-cache policy <package name" maybe
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982[18:09:38] <mutante> <package name>
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988[18:12:01] <oxek> ole_: there's apt-forktracer
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994[18:12:57] <oxek> or aptitude search '?obsolete'
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1012[18:22:09] <somiaj> oxek: ~o is a bit shorter.
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1014[18:23:59] <oxek> somiaj: you're right. I try to use long-form arguments when giving out advice to others though.
1015[18:24:02] <oxek> looks less scary
1016[18:24:18] <oxek> (and then they can read the manpages to find the short-form)
1017[18:25:05] <oxek> perhaps I can give both versions instead, you make a good point
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1076[19:06:50] <n4dir> i always assumed to backport packages one would use unstable/sid.
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1079[19:08:56] <oxek> there were no official backports for scrcpy, so I did my own backport from testing. I can probably do a backport from sid, but that link about removal makes me worry.
1080[19:14:25] <jelly> dpkg, why is scrcpy not in testing
1081[19:14:25] <dpkg> scrcpy is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
1082[19:14:57] <n4dir> oxek: wether or not that helps you i don't know. The reasons why packages get removed are usual beyond me: replaced-url
1083[19:15:48] <oxek> it's beyond me as well
1084[19:16:34] <jelly> and then you go from that page down the rabbit hole (why is the dependency not in testing? ...) to arrive at #966912
1085[19:16:35] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1087[19:16:58] <n4dir> seems to happen all the time, and unstable from a certain point of view looks more "stable "(umpf) than testing
1088[19:17:24] <n4dir> jelly: can you give me a hand figuring out why e16 is not in debian anymore?
1089[19:17:24] <jelly> often packages need to be forcibly removed from testing so that some other, more important packages can enter
1090[19:17:37] <jelly> ,v e16
1091[19:17:38] <judd> No package named 'e16' was found in amd64.
1092[19:17:54] <jelly> uhhh... what was the name for the enlightenment package
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1095[19:18:26] <n4dir> might have also been enlightenment, not sure. it was and always is a bit of a struggle to figure out what is e16 and what later versions
1096[19:18:34] <jelly> ,v enlightenment
1097[19:18:35] <judd> Package: enlightenment on amd64 -- buster: 0.22.4-2; bullseye: 0.24.2-5; sid: 0.24.2-5
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1099[19:18:44] <jelly> it's still (again?) there?
1100[19:18:48] <jelly> ,i enlightenment
1101[19:18:49] <n4dir> if you can't figure it out quickly, not that big of a deal. i am only wondering
1102[19:18:51] <judd> Package enlightenment (x11, optional) in buster/amd64: X11 window manager based on EFL. Version: 0.22.4-2; Size: 2225.4k; Installed: 7983k; Homepage: replaced-url
1103[19:18:59] <jelly> that seems to be the right thing
1104[19:19:04] <n4dir> that is what i call e17 i think , the package given
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1106[19:19:10] <jelly> oh
1107[19:19:17] <n4dir> bit of a clusterf*
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1109[19:19:52] <n4dir> the naming i mean.
1110[19:20:01] <jelly> I seem to have Version: 1:0.16.7.2-5 installed from who knows when
1111[19:20:07] <oxek> n4dir: don't you mean c9k?
1112[19:20:25] <jelly> n4dir, is e16 still maintained upstream?
1113[19:20:26] <n4dir> nope, i mean e16, but i sure got no idea how debian calls it
1114[19:20:27] <ole_> oxek, thanks, apt-forktracer does just what I want. Thanks to all others providing options.
1115[19:20:42] <n4dir> jelly: my friend says it was just upgraded. i didn't check myself though
1116[19:20:47] <jelly> presumably version 0.16.7.2 _was_ e16
1117[19:20:51] <n4dir> but nothing major for ages, that is for sure
1118[19:21:08] <oxek> ole_: 'aptitude search ~o' would probably do the job too
1119[19:21:20] <n4dir> same is valid for say blackbox though.
1120[19:21:32] <jelly> ,v blackbox
1121[19:21:33] <judd> Package: blackbox on amd64 -- jessie: 0.70.1-23+deb8u1; stretch: 0.70.1-34; buster: 0.70.1-36; bullseye: 0.70.1-38; sid: 0.70.1-38
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1123[19:21:52] <jelly> at least that one is present
1124[19:22:00] <jelly> ,depends enlightenment
1125[19:22:01] <judd> Package enlightenment in buster/amd64 -- depends: libasound2 (>= 1.0.16), libbluetooth3 (>= 4.91), libc6 (>= 2.15), libecore-con1 (>= 1.21.1-0~eo), libecore-evas1 (>= 1.21.1-0~eo), libecore-file1 (>= 1.21.1-0~eo), libecore-input1 (>= 1.21.1-0~eo), libecore-ipc1 (>= 1.21.1-0~eo), libecore-x1 (>= 1.21.1-0~eo), libecore1 (>= 1.21.1-0~eo), libedje1 (>= 1.21.1-0~eo), libeet1 (>= 1.21.1-0~eo), libeeze1 (>=
1126[19:22:02] <judd> 1.21.1-0~eo), libefreet-bin, libefreet1a (>= 1.21.1-0~eo), libeina1a (>= 1.21.1-0~eo), libeio1 (>= 1.21.1-0~eo), libelementary1 (>= 1.21.1-0~eo), libemile1 (>= 1.21.1-0~eo), libemotion1 (>= 1.21.1-0~eo), libevas1 (>= 1.21.1-0~eo), libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), libpulse0 (>= 0.99.1), libxcb-keysyms1 (>= 0.4.0), libxcb-shape0, libxcb1, default-dbus-session-bus | dbus-session-bus, enlightenment-data (= (1 more message)
1127[19:22:20] <n4dir> i once wrote a bugreport bout blackbox. someone said. so long not been upgraded, you might just as well rewrite it from scratch. lol (2004 iirc)
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1131[19:26:03] <n4dir> thanks for your help with the bot commands i don't know.
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1138[19:48:29] <n4dir> i was hoping c9k was that secret windowmanager that David created and it pleased the lord, but no, it wasn't. You learn new things all the time.
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1141[19:53:48] <oxek> took me a while before I realized what all those i18n and e10s stuff mean
1142[19:54:07] <n4dir> oh yeah.
1143[19:54:13] <oxek> so c9k sounded appropriate to your cluster****
1144[19:54:43] <n4dir> yeah, its good to know. some channels or forums are strict (but i don't know a better word).
1145[19:54:59] <oxek> not on the d4n channel
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1162[20:14:04] <rana_ans> hey, Im getting this error: replaced-url
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1165[20:15:01] <sney> !raspbian
1166[20:15:02] <dpkg> Raspberry Pi OS (previously called Raspbian) is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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1197[20:48:34] <hendursaga> Hi! I have a few brief questions concerning the installation media. Are the DVD ISOs the full thing? Like, NOT netinst? So no network access is needed to install? And those ISOs can be written to a thumb-drive, as well?
1198[20:49:11] <greycat> There is no "full thing". Every image is a subset. Some are larger subsets, some are smaller.
1199[20:49:44] <greycat> Every single one of them is capable of installing the "basics" without a working Internet connection, and are capable of installing anything you want with an Internet connection.
1200[20:50:19] <greycat> The only reasons you'd want a larger image are that you have no Internet, or you have very slow Internet, or you are going to do lots of installs in a short period of time.
1201[20:50:29] <petn-randall> Well, it's possible to create the remaining images with jigdo, but you'd still have an large download with little benefit.
1202[20:50:58] <mutante> wants to PXE boot straight from an official install server :p
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1204[20:52:57] <hendursaga> Got it.
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1206[20:53:53] <petn-randall> hendursaga: I've only ever needed the DVD images to upgrade a machine at a nuclear power plant that wasn't connected to the internet.
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1208[20:55:14] <hendursaga> petn-randall: Wait, they don't use Windows in such highly secure settings? :P
1209[20:57:14] <hendursaga> So, I have a Stretch installation already, with the Debian keyring. How do I use that to verify my download?
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1211[20:57:27] <mutante> heard Stuxnet got it by dropping flash drives in the parking lot
1212[20:58:46] <hendursaga> I can't tell which one of the keyring files contains the key that signed this download. There are four files.
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1216[21:00:50] <hendursaga> Never mind, it's in the debian-role-keys.gpg file
1217[21:00:55] <petn-randall> hendursaga: If you want to install somewhere that only has dial-up, DVDs still might be a good choice. If you have better bandwidth, it's always better to use the netinstaller.
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1221[21:02:10] <mutante> hendursaga: download the SHA512SUMS file from the mirror. then sha512sum -C SHA512SUMS to check if it's OK and matches the .iso. then use gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign to check the _checksum_ file has been signed by a valid key
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1224[21:03:08] <hendursaga> mutante: Yes, I did that part already, but the signing key isn't in my personal keyring, just the debian-keyring package.
1225[21:03:23] <oxek> set gpg to use the debian keyring
1226[21:03:28] <oxek> there's a commandline option for that
1227[21:04:56] <hendursaga> Yup! That worked! --keyring
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1238[21:11:02] <choice> Hello! I change the nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf to 8.8.8.8 but Chromium and Firefox still use the one of my provider. Any ideas why?
1239[21:11:33] <greycat> Did it change back on its own?
1240[21:11:44] <choice> greycat: No, it still shows 8.8.8.8
1241[21:11:49] <greycat> Did you start the browser *after* you changed it, or before?
1242[21:11:52] <oxek> is your ISP hijacking UDP53 DNS requests?
1243[21:12:13] <choice> oxek: Oh .. you mean they hijack the packets to 8.8.8.8?
1244[21:12:20] <oxek> yeah
1245[21:12:22] <choice> Wow
1246[21:12:25] <oxek> it's possible
1247[21:12:52] <greycat> How do you know it's using the wrong nameserver?
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1249[21:13:20] <oxek> (I love how we live in a world where an ISP hijacking DNS traffic is more likely than a misconfiguration on one's machine)
1250[21:13:32] <choice> greycat: Nonexisting domains resolv to the providers spam page.
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1253[21:14:27] <choice> Even when I do: dig skdfj8w3rhsdg@8.8.8.8
1254[21:14:32] <choice> So oxek could be right.
1255[21:14:46] <oxek> what do you get if you do: dig +short resolver.dnscrypt.info @8.8.8.8
1256[21:15:05] <choice> oxek: The providers IP
1257[21:15:13] <oxek> then they hijack your DNS
1258[21:15:18] <choice> Bastards
1259[21:15:25] <oxek> look into dnscrypt or dns-over-https
1260[21:15:51] <choice> oxek: But that has to be done by the applications, it is not something the os supports, right?
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1262[21:16:10] <oxek> dnscrypt is installable in debian
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1264[21:16:31] <choice> oxek: I see
1265[21:16:34] <oxek> no need to configure any application, just point your system to use localhost as resolver
1266[21:16:38] <choice> Too much of a hassle for me though.
1267[21:16:46] <choice> localhost?
1268[21:16:51] <oxek> yeah
1269[21:17:17] <oxek> dnscrypt connects to outside over a different port than udp53, and serves the results on localhost udp53
1270[21:17:30] <choice> Ah
1271[21:17:32] <choice> That is nice
1272[21:17:37] <oxek> if you just want firefox to be fine, it now has dns-over-https
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1274[21:17:43] <oxek> but that will cover only firefox
1275[21:17:48] <choice> But which DNS server is dnscrypt using?
1276[21:17:57] <oxek> whichever one you pick
1277[21:18:14] <oxek> you can even make dnscrypt use google's DNS-over-https
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1281[21:18:55] <jelly> I trust my provider's DNS more than I trust Firefox hardcoded DoH
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1283[21:19:12] <oxek> they are already using a hostile ISP, if it hijacks DNS traffic
1284[21:19:30] <oxek> jelly: it's not hardcoded, you can pick whichever provider you want
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1286[21:19:43] <jelly> there's a default.
1287[21:19:57] <oxek> there's default debian repos too
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1291[21:21:08] <jelly> choice, /etc/resolv.conf is typically only read once when process first uses resolv library. You often need to quit and start a process again for the changes to be applied.
1292[21:21:29] <choice> jelly: I tried. No effect.
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1295[21:22:19] <oxek> choice: it's poor taste to ask about the same issue in both #debian and #ubuntu... which system are you on?
1296[21:22:20] <jelly> ouch. what if you install a local recursor like unbound or pdns-recursor or dnsmasq or (shudder) bind?
1297[21:22:40] <oxek> if you're using netplan, then the issue can be all sorts of other things
1298[21:22:59] <jelly> also, debian stable does not have netplan
1299[21:23:06] <jelly> ,v netplan
1300[21:23:07] <judd> Package: netplan on amd64 -- jessie: 1.10.1-5; stretch: 1.10.1-5+b1
1301[21:23:08] <choice> oxek: What is netplan?
1302[21:23:14] <jelly> ,i netplan
1303[21:23:15] <judd> No package named 'netplan' was found in buster/amd64.
1304[21:23:18] <jelly> ,i netplan --release stretch
1305[21:23:19] <judd> Package netplan (misc, optional) in stretch/amd64: network server for `plan'. Version: 1.10.1-5+b1; Size: 53.6k; Installed: 108k; Homepage: replaced-url
1306[21:23:28] <jelly> not that netplan.
1307[21:23:29] <oxek> jelly: debian doesn't, but if they are on ubuntu then they might have netplan
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1309[21:23:49] <jelly> SURELY they wouldn't be asking in here then ;-)
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1311[21:24:36] <greycat> If choice tested dig ... @8.8.8.8 and got a response from an intercepting name server, then changing resolv.conf won't even matter.
1312[21:25:13] <greycat> Unless they're *only* intercepting packets to 8.8.8.8 and not to the root servers, but I would guess they're intercepting *all* port 53 traffic, if they're intercepting anything at all.
1313[21:25:44] <choice> greycat: It tried 1.1.1.1 and it also gets intercepted.
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1315[21:26:06] <jelly> welp
1316[21:26:18] <oxek> I haven't heard of any ISP that would only intercept popular DNS servers.
1317[21:26:22] <jelly> which ISP is this, name and shame
1318[21:26:32] <oxek> they usually intercept all traffic on udp53
1319[21:26:55] <oxek> choice: get dnscrypt, or some vpn. Your ISP is bad.
1320[21:26:55] <jelly> that suggest a workaround of "use only 53/tcp"
1321[21:27:19] <oxek> might give that a try, yeah
1322[21:27:30] <choice> Ok, so you guys say I should do this? apt install dnscrypt-proxy
1323[21:27:41] <jelly> choice, does anything change if you add "options use-vc" in resolv.conf
1324[21:27:51] <choice> jelly: on a line on its own?
1325[21:28:13] <jelly> yes, precisely
1326[21:28:24] <jelly> unless you already have an options line
1327[21:28:36] <choice> jelly: dig still resolves non-existing domains to the provider.
1328[21:28:54] <jelly> choice, dig +tcp ... ?
1329[21:28:54] <choice> jelly: Will dig "notice" the change in resolv.conf, or do I have to do something else to trigger it?
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1331[21:30:25] <jelly> dig is special. It's a tool used to debug DNS not the local resolver library, uses its own resolver code and only looks at /etc/resolv.conf to grab initial nameservers
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1333[21:30:48] <jelly> if you want to test tcp queries using dig, tell dig to use tcp.
1334[21:31:16] <jelly> dig +tcp jdkshfalshfasld @1.1.1.1 or whatnot
1335[21:31:39] <choice> jelly: That hangs
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1337[21:31:49] <jelly> hah
1338[21:31:50] <choice> ;; communications error to 1.1.1.1#53: end of file
1339[21:31:55] <jelly> idiots
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1341[21:31:59] <oxek> so only udp requests are hijacked
1342[21:32:00] <choice> Outputted that line and still hangs
1343[21:32:17] <jelly> and tcp is dropped or something
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1345[21:32:42] <choice> For existing domains it seems to work.
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1347[21:32:48] <jelly> no luck. Use dnscrypt or a vpn. ssh tunneling can be a poor man's vpn.
1348[21:33:08] <choice> apt install dnscrypt-proxy ?
1349[21:33:16] <jelly> dunno.
1350[21:33:22] <jelly> ,i dnscrypt-proxy
1351[21:33:23] <judd> Package dnscrypt-proxy (net, optional) in buster/amd64: Flexible DNS proxy, with support for encrypted DNS protocols. Version: 2.0.19+ds1-2+b11; Size: 2521.1k; Installed: 8966k; Homepage: replaced-url
1352[21:33:33] <jelly> ,provides dnscrypt-proxy
1353[21:33:34] <judd> Package dnscrypt-proxy in buster/amd64 provides no additional packages.
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1356[21:34:52] <choice> Strange, it hangs at 67%
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1359[21:35:40] <choice> Ha, it finished
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1361[21:36:00] <choice> But with an error: Job for dnscrypt-proxy.service failed because a timeout was exceeded.
1362[21:36:31] <jelly> if resolvconf package is installed, the service being started should automatically update contents of /etc/resolv.conf
1363[21:36:51] <greycat> Still sounds like something is intercepting all of his outbound DNS traffic.
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1365[21:37:08] <choice> jelly: /etc/resolv.conf did not change
1366[21:37:19] <greycat> Either a local firewall, or an upstream firewall.
1367[21:37:40] * choice runs apt purge dnscrypt-proxy ...
1368[21:38:22] <choice> Maybe dnscrypt-proxy depends on a working dns :)
1369[21:38:22] <jelly> maybe make it work instead of giving up right away?
1370[21:38:45] <choice> jelly: I am re-installing it now, after I removed the "options" thing from /etc/resolv.conf
1371[21:38:49] <choice> But it hangs again.
1372[21:39:31] <mutante> there is "DNS-over-HTTPS" (DoH) replaced-url
1373[21:39:37] <mutante> that might help here
1374[21:39:44] <choice> mutante: That is application specific.
1375[21:40:15] <mutante> choice: well, yea, the main application being the browser
1376[21:41:19] <choice> In journalctl, dnscrypt-proxy wrote: [ERROR] Unable to retrieve server certificates
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1379[21:42:21] <mutante> replaced-url
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1385[21:45:37] <oxek> choice: do you currently have working dns? Dnscrypt requires working DNS for the very first start so that it downloads the list of servers.
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1387[21:46:09] <choice> oxek: Guess I could use my phone to provide a working dns.
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1392[21:48:09] <greycat> VPN to some outside host is also a possibility
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1395[21:48:25] <choice> Maybe I will do it tomorrow
1396[21:48:37] <choice> Will sleep about it.
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1398[21:50:14] <oxek> it's one of the legitimate uses of VPNs - to work around hostile ISPs
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1402[22:01:09] <GaiusCaesar> oxek, that 0x0 upload via curl gave me segfault
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1404[22:03:19] <nerd0> greetings! does anyone know when or if the mesa drivers in debian-testing will be ported to buster-backports?
1405[22:03:34] <GaiusCaesar> curl -F 'file=filename.zip' replaced-url
1406[22:05:45] <jhutchins> nerd0: Has anyone requested them?
1407[22:06:07] <nerd0> I don't know
1408[22:06:20] <jhutchins> Check the mailing list.
1409[22:06:38] <nerd0> the buster-backports mailing list?
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1413[22:10:09] <nerd0> on the buster-backports mailing list this transition has been requested, yes, although very recently, on August 23rd
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1418[22:16:04] <oxek> GaiusCaesar: that's a fake segfault
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1420[22:16:19] <oxek> the server literally replies with "SEGMENTATION FAULT"
1421[22:16:28] <oxek> check the exit code of curl if you don't believe me
1422[22:17:16] <oxek> and the proper syntax is: curl -F 'file=@yourfile.png' replaced-url
1423[22:17:20] <oxek> you're missing the @
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1449[23:01:25] <GaiusCaesar> oxek, fake?
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1454[23:05:04] <foul_owl_> I'm trying to build an alarm clock program for Debian 10. This program uses QT4. Is this still doable or is qt4 deprecated in Debian 10?
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1458[23:09:36] <cluonbeam> Regardless of its status, it would seem a better use of time to write it in QT5.
1459[23:10:28] <cluonbeam> And qt4 does not appear in testing or unstable, so it would stand to reason that qt4 will not be available post-buster.
1460[23:11:27] <oxek> GaiusCaesar: yes, fake, curl doesn't actually segfault.
1461[23:12:04] <foul_owl_> I'm not developing it, I'm just trying to build it :(
1462[23:12:19] <oxek> GaiusCaesar: it's the dev behind 0x0.st being annoying. If you don't like it, there's also replaced-url
1463[23:12:43] <foul_owl_> Unfortunately "alarm-clock" was pulled after jessie
1464[23:13:11] <GaiusCaesar> oxek, sorry the dev, but a fake segfault for some reason?
1465[23:13:37] <oxek> the dev thought it would be funny to return a string "SEGMENTATION FAULT".
1466[23:13:45] <foul_owl_> So I'm now attempting to build "qtalarm"
1467[23:14:06] <foul_owl_> Seems strange that debian no longer has a simple alarm clock program that lets you change the alarm sound
1468[23:14:27] <oxek> foul_owl_: wasn't there some gnome-clock?
1469[23:14:47] <GaiusCaesar> I see
1470[23:15:21] <jmcnaught> foul_owl_: maybe kalarm?
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1475[23:19:02] <GaiusCaesar> gnome-clocks package
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1499[23:52:52] <GaiusCaesar> is there a way to see a date in bash history command?
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1501[23:54:22] <ryouma> yes bash can be set for that
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1503[23:54:42] <ryouma> iirc
1504[23:54:51] <GaiusCaesar> I mean is it there, if I haven't set something?
1505[23:55:10] <foul_owl_> gnome-clocks, bafflingly, does not let you change the sound of the alarm
1506[23:55:25] <ryouma> no the history file does not contain it i thinkg unless you do
1507[23:55:34] <foul_owl_> Thank you! I will try kalarm
1508[23:55:37] <ryouma> whether it is in memory idk
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1510[23:57:35] <somiaj> looks like HISTTIMEFORMAT is what you are looking for
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