28[00:30:46] <blackop> i have debian 10 - 32bit installed on my old laptop. it was off for 2 weeks. when i boot it doesnt show desktop icons and i cannot use right click
46[00:44:10] <sney> if it's a generic HID then there is likely a way to tell xorg (if not wayland) that it's a mouse. a lot of unusual pointers have been supported by xorg/x11 over the years
48[00:45:49] <sney> blackop that sounds like xfwm4 might not be starting
49[00:45:57] <de-facto> another, jhutchins thanks for answering, actually it seems to already be possible to just listen on 127.0.0.2 and so on, it failed on port 443 though... because nginx was listening on 0.0.0.0:443 hence my confusion to try to add more addresses
50[00:46:49] <sney> 0.0.0.0 is the same thing as all addresses, if you add more addresses then nginx will bind there as well
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52[00:50:45] <Schwarzbaer> sney, it does happen to be an HID. What would I google for to see how to set it up with Xwayland?
53[00:50:47] <blackop> sney: what could be your advice then?
54[00:51:20] <sney> blackop: google 'xfwm4 not starting' or something like that and see if you can find out more
55[00:51:34] <sney> xfwm4 is the window manager, the window manager is what puts icons on your desktop.
62[00:54:48] <sney> iirc you may be able to make nginx listen on interfaces (e.g. enp1s0) or ranges (e.g. 192.168.0.0/24) but I'm not sure, check their docs
90[01:08:53] <yanmaani> I have a file in /tmp/ named fileWinXQk that's 700m large. I deleted it, but it's still open by a bunch of programs. Is there any way to forcefully close it to reclaim the space?
102[01:17:34] <eventhorizon5> yanmaani: I'm not sure, since the file would still be open by the processes
103[01:17:43] <yanmaani> Can you discard the data inside then?
104[01:17:47] <yanmaani> I think it's just some log file
105[01:17:56] <sney> if you have multiple processes using a tmpfile for something and you remove the file without dealing with the underlying cause, the most likely result is the process(es) will just make a new tmpfile for the same purpose
107[01:18:22] <yanmaani> sney: It appeared when I was updating, and I did less on it and it just had a bunch of the GTK errors that I get from running anything
108[01:18:49] <sney> your system sounds like a mess in general so I'm not going to speak to that. this is just a general principle.
109[01:19:20] <yanmaani> oh by the way, is it possible to disable recently-used.xbel without giving gtk errors?
111[01:20:14] <yanmaani> (I have it chattr +i chown root chmod 000)
112[01:21:10] <sney> the only way to never see gtk errors/warnings is to not have gtk on your system. it's notoriously noisy. solve actual problems, and let gtk talk to itself. it's what the rest of us do
149[01:58:52] <efloid> hello trying to run a snap program and it fails. in the strace I see "access("/etc/ld.so.preload", R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)"
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171[02:08:30] <mason> It's hard to think you need to be root. Maybe however it's running lacks access to audio/video devices without being root or some other configuration.
172[02:09:13] <mason> Also, if you were to pastebin the whole strace, that'd tell us a lot more, assuming you can sanitize it for public consumption.
173[02:09:42] <efloid> fwiw when i try to run snap via cli also see this in syslog: "traps: skypeforlinux[19381] trap int3 ip:55b65d1b870f sp:7fff2c661790 error:0 in skypeforlinux[55b65b297000+542e000]"
174[02:09:54] <efloid> its a kernel log message
175[02:10:09] <efloid> mason: ok will paste it. gimme sec
192[02:15:09] <mason> efloid: Last time I asked for someone to post one, it had some account data that shouldn't have been leaked.
193[02:15:27] <mason> So, whatever you see that's dodgy, elide!
194[02:18:17] <ozfalcon> I am starting to learn to use sbuild. But not sure if it's the tool I need. Can I use sbuild to compile an app that's not in the repos?
202[02:20:56] <mason> efloid: Can you post the same for a no-sandbox invocation as well?
203[02:21:10] <mason> efloid: If this one wants to chroot, that's why it wants root.
204[02:21:54] <sney> ozfalcon: if the source tree you're working with doesn't have the needed components to build a debian package, you can use its existing build system to build binaries for /opt or /usr/local. there are also howtos for creating the debian/ files so you can make a package
205[02:22:11] <sney> !tell ozfalcon about stow
206[02:22:16] <sney> !tell ozfalcon about nmg
207[02:22:16] <mason> Don't forget GNU Stow.
208[02:22:19] <mason> nice
209[02:23:11] <mason> !tell mason about nmg
210[02:23:23] <sney> !msg the bot
211[02:23:23] <dpkg> Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and replaced-url
212[02:23:49] <mason> But, I did it for your benefit!
214[02:26:01] <mason> efloid: Anyway, it's intentionally checking whether it's root or not down at the end there, and erroring out intentionally when it finds that it's not. Whether it needs to be root or not isn't as relevant as the fact that it's insisting. The no-sandbox option might do something different, although of course with the risk that it's not running sandboxed. But if you got this from upstream, it's going to be as
215[02:26:08] <mason> trustworthy as the bare package.
216[02:26:16] <ozfalcon> you can use its existing build system to build binaries for /opt or /usr/local. Does that mean the existing makefile can be used?
217[02:26:55] <mason> ozfalcon: Most packaged software provices scaffolding around the upstream-supplied build system, so anything can be used if you have the right glue in place.
218[02:26:59] <mason> provides*
219[02:27:39] <sney> yes, the makefile or whatever the software uses
220[02:27:47] <sney> there are a lot of systems out there so I was being general
221[02:28:13] <sney> debian packaging also uses the existing build system, but adds some other stuff as well
222[02:29:18] <mason> efloid: Heading out, but recommendations: 1) run the bare package, 2) strace a no-sandbox version, 3) use Jitsi instead, as it's free software and you can set up your own server.
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224[02:32:30] <ozfalcon> sney, The package is also available in the repos (Though I want to compile my own with some patches). Should I just copy the "scaffolding" from the repo source or is that not wise?
225[02:32:55] <sney> there are chapters in the nmg that cover this, basically
265[03:13:00] <ozfalcon> sney, That's interesting. One of the two packages I wish to compile is debianized (has debian scaffolding), But it's not in any of the repos. sbuild seems to build it fine so thats a start.
266[03:13:40] <sney> sometimes package upstreams include that to make it easier for distros
281[03:37:49] <backupluis> Hi, I'm trying to setup a headless server for sharing movies and some files vía upnp, and I want to setup some aditional things like video/audio capture to stream, use the sound card to play mp3 and some other things, I have a similar setup in a tiny router using OpenWrt compiled by myself and everything goes well but now I need more power, so I take an old Core duo board and installed debian (only server), php, apache, samba, alsa and
282[03:37:49] <backupluis> some other things to build my system.
283[03:38:01] <backupluis> My problem is when I try to install some tools to work with audio/video or even audio capture, all of them try to install or needs a lot of libraries, X11-utils for example, some other want to install nvidia-novoud drivers, I dont even have a nvidia card on the server, for example: ffmpeg, pulseaudio, mpeg123 and some other programs needs about 300Mb in libraries including nvidia, mesa, x11 drivers and libraries.
285[03:38:13] <backupluis> Is there any way to install the programs that I need without install, for example, an nvidia-noveau driver?
286[03:38:50] <sney> debian splits packages into a lot of smaller components and sometimes this confuses people.
287[03:39:27] <sney> your computer is not installing a gui or extra unneeded drivers. It's installing some small shared components that *multiple* programs and libraries use to talk to each other.
288[03:39:28] <nvz> backupluis: install the tightvnc server or make an equivs package
349[03:55:37] <backupluis> Im moving to debian to leave the compile thing of Openwrt, I love to compile and trash, but I want to use my time for other things, got some webcams and a nas with openwrt and this wireless speakers with movies sharing that I want to move to debian.
353[03:56:59] <nvz> I've got a ton of machines that are under US$100 and can handle installing 51mb of packages to use pulseaudio
354[03:57:26] <fury_> I have an old box with debian 7 on it. I need access to this box, and I do not know any passwords. I need to boot it to rescue mode or whatever. I add "init=/bin/bash" to the 'linux' line in GRUB, and it boots to a prompt. the keyboard does not work. I do not even know where to start.
356[03:58:21] <fury_> legacy USB is enabled in the bios, I tried adding a few things to the kernel load line in grub that I found on stackoverflow/serverfault, none worked or had any effect. I've tried multiple keyboards - this is a known working one.
357[03:58:51] <backupluis> NVZ it's not the hardware the problem, my question is why command line tools needs x11 or video drivers to be installed
382[04:04:57] <nvz> have you tried toggling the numlock light?
383[04:05:05] <fury_> me either. it's an intel NUC. legacy USB is enabled in the bios.
384[04:05:13] <fury_> there is no numpad on this particular keyboard.
385[04:05:33] <nvz> doesn't matter.. the point I'm getting at is how do you know the keyboard isn't working
386[04:05:38] <fury_> nor indicator lights for caps lock
387[04:05:49] <nvz> have you tried toggling the keyboard leds.. have you tried a sysrq?
388[04:05:59] <fury_> I don't know what that is
389[04:06:04] <fury_> I'm a bsd guy primarily
390[04:06:12] <nvz> !sysrq
391[04:06:12] <dpkg> sysrq is, like, Alt-PrintScreen-[Key]. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try [Key] with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See replaced-url
392[04:06:22] <fury_> no key works, not even CTRL+ALT+DEL
393[04:06:32] <nvz> ctrl+alt+del isn't suppose to do anything
394[04:06:34] <nvz> never was
395[04:07:09] <fury_> in this version of linux, and any other I've ever used, or indeed just about any system, it does something, and in the case of this system, it reboots it
516[05:23:14] <themill> Also the full n² combinations of cross compilers aren't in Debian, generally only the ones that allow you to compile things on more powerful architectures are
517[05:23:48] <luke-jr> my board has an armhf userspace, but an aarch64 kernel.. so for DKMS I need an aarch64 cross-compiler :/
579[06:34:16] <rrn> Hi, I am attempting to test a software RAID-1 setup consisting of /dev/md0 (/, backed by /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1) and /dev/md1 (swap, backed by /dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb2).
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581[06:35:38] <rrn> I began by checking /proc/mdstat and the outputs of mdadm --detail /dev/md0 and mdadm --detail /dev/md1; everything was ok (two active devices, clean)
582[06:37:37] <rrn> next I rebooted, went into BIOS, and disabled SATA port A, and proceeded with rebooting into the OS; it booted successfully; I did the same checks, and as expected, it was one active device, degraded, clean
585[06:38:36] <akp55> hello folks. i am trying to setup a bridge with debian buster using systemd-networkd. the bridge itself comes up, but for some reason its not actually being configured....
586[06:38:58] <akp55> could someone point me in the right direction?
587[06:39:09] <rrn> next I rebooted, went into BIOS, and enabled SATA port A; I rebooted and successfully booted into the OS; I did the same checks, but unfortunately there is an issue
588[06:39:46] <rrn> so /dev/md1 (the swap) is two active devices, clean (i.e., it got restored)
589[06:40:37] <rrn> but /dev/md0 (the entire filesystem) is one active device, clean, degraded (i.e., it did not get restored when the SATA port A HDD became available again)
590[06:43:03] <rrn> I actually did do some testing before this testing, consisting of disabling and then reenabling SATA port B---upon reenabling, both md devices got restored without my doing anything
591[06:44:30] <rrn> but that was port B (now I am testing port A), and I ran grub-install onto both HDDs since then
592[06:46:29] <rrn> I am guessing that most likely the md subsystem got confused by the port A HDD going back online as the same name as the port B HDD when I only had one HDD enabled, /dev/sda
593[06:47:29] <rrn> i.e., everything was working normally (say SATA port A was taken as /dev/sda, and SATA port B was taken as /dev/sdb)
594[06:47:51] <rrn> then I disabled SATA port A, so SATA port B was probably taken as /dev/sda
595[06:48:27] <rrn> then I reenabled, so say SATA port A was taken as /dev/sda, and SATA port B was taken as /dev/sdb
596[06:49:00] <rrn> so this might've happened, and might've confuse the md subsystem, I am guessing
597[06:49:08] <rrn> Any ideas?
598[06:49:46] <rrn> n.b. that the swap was restored for some reason...
625[07:35:22] <jmcnaught> akp55: I don't remember having any issues with my config until I started using a kernel from backports and ran into replaced-url
633[07:46:14] <rrn> hmm so I did --re-add to successfully manually restore the array, and then proceeded to testing the disabling of SATA port B
634[07:46:43] <rrn> interestingly, when I reenable port B, md restores the array automatically!
635[07:48:32] <rrn> in summary... when port A HDD becomes available again, md does not restore, and one has to manually --re-add; when port B HDD becomes available again, md automatically restores
636[07:48:55] <rrn> So it must be the naming (sda and sdb), what else...
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661[08:33:54] <discovered> I have debian and windows 10(Not use that much) as dual boot in 512 GB ssd. For some reason i want to reinstall windows in another SSD, free up the the current partition but keep the dual boot without erasing my Debian. Never installed windows after linux as dualboot?
671[08:47:02] <discovered> arahael, I really want to avoid this dual boot thing!I use windows in vmware. But some education/other company still want me to use windows for a short period of time. And that time i need to use full resource.
672[08:48:47] <discovered> The difficulty i am having, i need to give some space to that partition. And debian has only / partition. Resizing the root partition may get worst. I dunno
673[08:48:49] <discovered> heh
674[08:49:13] <arahael> discovered: You could give the VM more storage?
728[10:01:01] <rrn> I just installed Debian x86_64, but when it starts up to the console (I did not install a GUI), the text is dim (yes, the system does respond, but all the text is very dim)...
729[10:01:34] <rrn> BIOS, GRUB, and the OS bootup msgs were all of proper appearance
730[10:03:16] <rrn> (this is not a laptop, but rather a constant brightness, contrast, etc. setting monitor connected to the VGA output of a server)
740[10:19:56] <abff> rrn I think that you can use xrandr to change brightness of the screen that isn't related to a backlight like you'd find on a laptop
746[10:24:01] <rrn> abff: thanks, I'll check it out sometime---right now it's suboptimal but ultimately usable---I mainly was concerned about it being a symptom of something important
747[10:24:36] <rrn> abff: oh, never mind
748[10:24:54] <rrn> yes, no X, this is a server
749[10:25:18] <abff> I'm sure there's some brightness related thing but how ttys work is over my head
750[10:25:40] <ratrace> without X there's no brightness settings. check hardware options
751[10:27:20] <rrn> ratrace, I went through every single BIOS option in the past, before even the MemTest86+ stage
754[10:29:27] <arahael> THere's a particular stage where the console font is reloaded and the screen is configured - that's probably where that's done.
767[10:44:38] <discovered> Ah.... Never had issue for OS upgrade before. I am trying dist-upgrade to testing and i am getting, The following packages have unmet dependencies:libc6-dev : Breaks: libgcc-8-dev (< 8.4.0-2~) but 8.3.0-6 is to be installed
771[10:46:29] <discovered> Tried to fix by install, 'apt-get install gcc-8-base mutter' gnome-session-bin : Breaks: gdm3 (< 3.33.90) but 3.30.2-3 is to be installed
772[10:47:33] <akp55> jmcnaught: i just figured out how to get debug messages from systemd-networkd, i'll take a look in a few hours. need to sleep =P
806[11:24:33] <LeMike> Hello there. I already asked in #ubuntu (having Xubunut) but I need some urgent help because the system is getting hotter and hotter. "sensors" shows that the fan is running at -1 RPM which I think means "it is off".
807[11:24:47] <ratrace> yeah ask in #ubuntu
808[11:24:48] <LeMike> I ran "pwmconfig" already but it did not create a config file
811[11:24:57] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
812[11:25:29] <ratrace> especially when it comes to hardware (mis)behaving, ubuntu does crazy stuff for hardware enablement, so #debian is definitely never the right place to ask
813[11:25:49] <LeMike> Well okay. What I am looking for is some cli tool to make the fan run at full speed again. But I keep waiting in Ubuntu then
814[11:25:59] <LeMike> If it dies it dies
815[11:26:11] <ratrace> that tool could be, might be, who knows, see the factoid above..... specific to ubuntu.
816[11:27:08] <ratrace> it won't die, it might thermal throttle, unless your CPU is from the 20th century
885[13:24:37] <EdePopede> dym: the only editor of that kind i can remember to have used is bluefish. searching for "alternative to $program" should come up with some of sites comparing some or listing possible alternatives
886[13:25:27] <EdePopede> ah, and here we go: atom, [neo]vi[m], geany...
908[13:55:51] <mad_monk> I am trying to do a remote preseed installation and I wish to configure hostname and domain name through boot parameter. However, i am using ?= for domain name so that it will prompt during the installation process.
910[13:56:20] <mad_monk> The domain name prompt appears only when my priority is set to high. However, if the priority is set to high, the following two dialog box also appears:
911[13:56:25] <mad_monk> (1) To scan the next DVD?
912[13:56:29] <mad_monk> (2) To setup network mirror or not?
913[13:56:41] <mad_monk> I tried adding the following two lines to the preseed file, however, it still prompts during the installation. No other questions are asked other than these two.
974[14:55:49] <UncleCid> Another thing I need to address is.. I'm constantly having to reconfigure my display settings, and among all of that, the individual task managers I have per monitor aside from one end up not displaying anything, but they're there
975[14:55:58] <UncleCid> I have to reconfigure them each boot
990[15:11:19] <dym> EdePopede: Thanks, but the point is to have a "parser"/browser within the tool, without having to modify the code, save, upload and then check in the browser.
1001[15:21:02] <abff> UncleCid: what window manager / desktop environment are yo uusing? what do you mean by "task manager"
1002[15:21:08] <EdePopede> long ago i used phase5² on windows (only "free for private and school usage" and dead now, so no more than a reference) and iirc it used IE's embedding abilities to display the webpage in a tab
1045[15:59:11] <SerajewelKS> what's the recommended way of handling an encrypted multi-volume btrfs root? with dm-raid + luks it's simpler as we just mirror the encrypted volume which means only one passphrase is required at boot. with multi-volume encrypted btrfs, i'm not sure how to avoid haviing to enter a passphrase per device.
1047[16:00:08] <yanmaani> SerajewelKS: Can't you do encrypted LVM?
1048[16:00:50] <SerajewelKS> yanmaani: i'm not sure how that solves the problem. btrfs-on-LVM also eliminates the benefits of using btrfs raid in the first place.
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1051[16:02:05] <yanmaani> Can't LVM present each hard drive as a logical volume?
1052[16:02:08] <SerajewelKS> it would be ideal if i could tell the ramdisk environment to try the same passphrase on all devices. if i have 3 devices for examaple, it will prompt for a passphrase three times. if the passphrase is the same, it would be nice if it tried the first one i entered to see if it works on the other disks.
1053[16:02:10] <yanmaani> And then you can do RAID on those
1054[16:02:29] <SerajewelKS> yanmaani: i would still have to decrypt each LVM PV individually. it presents the same problem.
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1056[16:02:53] <SerajewelKS> you typically don't have this problem with md-raid because you mirror the encrypted volume, so there is only one volume to unlock
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1080[16:09:38] <abff> UncleCid: just remember there's always other desktop environments, if you ever feel like you're being limited by your gui look for greener pastures. However the troubleshooting experience you get will be helpful no matter why you have to solve the problem ;)
1081[16:09:40] <SerajewelKS> another: but thanks for the additional link, i will look into configuring this
1082[16:11:03] <IvI4x> how is network configuration done in buster? Are you still supposed to use /etc/network/interfaces? Does IP configure the file for me?
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1084[16:12:03] <abff> marianna: there is also LXCs which may or may not be better than docker. Lots of options :)
1096[16:17:22] <IvI4x> ok, give me somewhere to start please. If I wanted to use the IP program, would I first configure my devices in /etc/network/devices, and then manage it using ip, or would I do everything in ip
1113[16:30:45] <IvI4x> no, I'm trying to learn how to configure this stuff in cli
1114[16:31:15] <oxek> ratrace: I'm using the integrated client in reportbug
1115[16:31:20] <oxek> and I get this error: SMTP send failure: [Errno 101] Network is unreachable. Do you want to retry (or else save the report and exit)?
1116[16:31:32] <SerajewelKS> IvI4x: then on a default debian system, ifupdown (/etc/network/interfaces) is the installed mechanism
1117[16:31:37] <IvI4x> ex having multiple interfaces, connecting to an other computer directly over ethernet, or running a raspberry pi over only usb-c
1118[16:31:45] <SerajewelKS> IvI4x: you can switch to others if you want, like systemd-networkd
1119[16:31:50] <IvI4x> isn't ifconf deprecated?
1120[16:32:07] <SerajewelKS> IvI4x: what is ifconf?
1121[16:32:18] <ratrace> oxek: and otherwise the network and internet are available?
1128[16:36:30] <ratrace> oxek: very much possible, a lot of ISPs block port 25
1129[16:36:53] <oxek> exactly
1130[16:37:05] <ratrace> oxek: not sure enabling tls would help, if it's trying explicit starttls, it'll still use port 25. better use a smarthost/smtphost
1131[16:37:19] <ratrace> you can use your actual email account's provider and credentials for that
1132[16:38:18] <IvI4x> SerajewelKS: I meant ifconfig thinking ifconfig ifup and ifdown were all the same program which I now read they aren't. Still I think all of them would be replaced by ip?
1152[16:49:06] <IvI4x> looks like there are a couple of things I don't understand yet with the interactions between ip, ifup, and the interfaces file. Atleast I've got a good place to start reading now
1174[16:59:28] <judd> Package atool (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: tool for managing file archives of various types. Version: 0.39.0-9; Size: 41.4k; Installed: 139k; Homepage: replaced-url
1175[16:59:29] <ratrace> "The latest version of atool is 0.39.0, which was released on 2012-04-02" lol
1176[16:59:42] <ratrace> GoodLuckWithThat(tm) :)
1177[17:00:24] <oxek> I've wanted to report bugs to debian before, but always put it off because I did not know how to use reportbug. This weekend I finally have time to learn reportbug, and this looked like a good first issue to test.
1178[17:00:40] <ratrace> oxek: you can simply send that email to submit@bugs.debian.org if you didn't already. the content of it is important as reportbug adds all that package metadata, otherwise it's really just an email submission
1182[17:08:07] <mason> I know this falls into the category of "survey" but I need to set up an APT caching proxy, and apt-cacher-ng is what I'm seeing. Anything else I should evaluate before I dive in?
1183[17:08:22] <oxek> ok, sent manually, will see if it lands at the bugtracker
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1214[17:34:19] <raidghost> Hi! Is there a way to get a debian 10 installation (set up by 2 ssd drives in raid 1(mdraid) to work propperly in another computer?
1217[17:35:08] <raidghost> I recently bought a supermicro 4U server with 24 drive bays.
1218[17:35:55] <raidghost> And would like to use my full working debian 10 installation from my old server, to just replace in the new server. But it seems like the software raid is ment ONLY for the mainboard where i set it up the first time, Am i right?
1233[17:45:44] <mason> raidghost: Have you tried it? What happened? On a reasonably new system you'll need to make sure to supply updated information via efibootmgr so it knows what to boot.
1235[17:46:43] <mason> raidghost: Also, note that your SuperMicro might have a RAID controller that won't deal with straight disks. I bought one recently and had to replace the HBA with something that'd do IT mode.
1236[17:46:57] <raidghost> mason: ive just put the drive into the supermicro server. And all it gives is a blinking marker
1237[17:47:07] <raidghost> mason: the ssd is connected direct to mainboard
1238[17:47:22] <raidghost> since my raid card is dealing with the 18 8TB drive
1239[17:47:44] <mason> raidghost: Could still be something funny onboard, but if you're convinced it's not, then is it a UEFI install?
1240[17:48:01] <mason> raidghost: The computer doesn't know about MD-RAID until after the kernel's loaded.
1241[17:48:09] <raidghost> I guess its a Uefi install. Since thats what the mainboard had
1244[17:49:09] <mason> raidghost: In that case, SuperMicro's fairly dodgy about giving you an EFI shell. You might boot rescue media and craft boot entries.
1258[17:54:14] <mason> raidghost: Here, download the Debian live image (standard) and boot it, then gdisk -l /dev/sda, make sure it's got a smallish ESP at the front as partition 1. Mount it if you like and verify that the bits described on that site (or my sample command) are there.
1259[17:55:51] <Casper26> anyone seen were just opening nividia-settings causes firefox to go transparent?
1279[18:09:32] <ruied_> Hello. I have an error running ann app (aeon-gui) that depends on libpng12. I have downloaded the libpng and tried to install with dpkg -i libpng12-0_1.2.50-2+deb8u3_amd64.deb and it reports a missing dependency multiarch-support I have added architecture i386 but still can't install package. any idea?
1303[18:27:58] <Arrow900> I switched to bullseye, now TTY and plymouth resolution is wrong... How can I set it manually ? AMD GPU RX580 and 2560x1440 monitor...
1326[18:38:06] <Arrow900> JyZyXEL: did not wotk, I tried adding it on /etc/default/grub and running update-grub. Tried both video=2560x1440-32 on GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX aswell as GRUB_GFXMODE
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1358[19:00:35] <Arrow900> Yeah its not issue in X, even tty is fine I dont mind text being huge on it. Main issue is plymouth being so low res its blurry and I need to unlock my hard drive on it every reboot
1359[19:00:43] <akp55> hey would someone mind taking a look at this systemd-networkd config and see if anything is wrong? replaced-url
1466[21:40:38] <LiquidAcid> hi there, i'm was searching for buster armhf root filesystem images, but as i understand you're supposed to use debootstrap for this -- can anyone confirm?
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1468[21:42:30] <sney> there are some semi-official images maintained by debian developers (I know of some for the rpi, there may be others) but generally debian is intended to be installed
1469[21:42:44] <sney> debootstrap is one way to do that. depending on your hardware there may be an installer that works
1472[21:43:50] <LiquidAcid> sney, thanks, i want to avoid the installer path since i already have a working distro on that system, i just wanna deploy the rootfs and switch the bootloader to boot debian instead of the current distor (which is gentoo)
1473[21:44:20] <LiquidAcid> diogenes_, sadly that's not a rootfs
1477[21:45:23] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. Is there some program out there that will go through all the other programs and let me know which hidden directories I don't need to keep anymore?
1482[21:46:58] <LiquidAcid> sney, yeah, i already used debootstrap once or twice already, was just wondering since i know that ALARM has a generic armv7 rootfs available
1483[21:47:15] <LiquidAcid> so, it's debootstrap -- wish me luck :D
1490[21:49:17] <jhutchins> LiquidAcid: Packages in distributions expect their distribution's kernels, with the distribution default options. The core OS also includes libraries and utilities that vary among distributions.
1492[21:50:03] <jhutchins> LiquidAcid: This is why force-installing packages meant for other distributions will b0rk your system, sometimes right away, some times sneaking up on you.
1496[21:52:03] <jhutchins> RedHat and Mandrake had packages that could easily be installed on each other's system. Mandrake packages were optimised for Pentiums, RedHat's weren't. It was very tempting to hot rod your reliable RedHat system by installing Mandrake packages. Inevitably, this led to an un-bootable, un-fixable system.
1497[21:52:25] <LiquidAcid> well, we're not talking about redhat and mandrake here
1498[21:52:58] <jhutchins> LiquidAcid: I've also seen people here who have done somethiing similar, mixing packages from a Debian Derived distro. Ended up the same way, clean install.
1499[21:53:18] <LiquidAcid> jhutchins, where did i say anything about mixing something?
1501[21:53:28] <jhutchins> LiquidAcid: No, we're not talking RedHat and Mandrake, we're talking distro-based Linux in general.
1502[21:53:49] <jhutchins> LiquidAcid: Are you not planning to install a Debian core for a Gentoo userspace?
1503[21:54:15] <jhutchins> !frankendebian
1504[21:54:15] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
1505[21:54:20] <LiquidAcid> jhutchins, no, again, where did i say this?
1506[21:54:46] <LiquidAcid> i want to migrate from gentoo to debian on this system
1507[21:54:53] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, thank you. I just wish all these programs would put their configs in .config these days.
1508[21:54:53] <jhutchins> That's how I interpreted your post above 14:46 < sney> s/do/for/
1509[21:55:11] <jhutchins> That's how I interpreted your post above, about preserving the Gentoo userspace.
1510[21:55:16] <LiquidAcid> or rather from gentoo userspace to debian userspace, i going to leave both the bootloader (u-boot) and the kernel (which is custom anyway) intact
1512[21:55:27] <Maws> Probably a longshot, but anyone got any tips on what I could try to "rescue" a disk, I have a disk that AFAIK started to acting up with some errors in regards to "superblock", and a few times I was able to resurect it with e2fsck, but iirc the last time I tried it wanted to write several places, and I agreed and after that I was never able to access it again (though I have been able to recover some data with photorec) - I'm not 100% sure what
1513[21:55:27] <Maws> the disk was formated to, but I think it got a ext2 or ext3 FS, but in parted etc partition table comes up as a dos disk......)is there anything one can do to be sure about the filesystem, and also maybe restore the superblock ?
1514[21:55:33] <jhutchins> LiquidAcid: If you want to migrate to Debian, do a Debian install.
1515[21:55:54] <LiquidAcid> jhutchins, how would i do this?
1516[21:56:23] <jhutchins> Maws: Backups.
1517[21:56:29] <jhutchins> LiquidAcid: B14:54 < LiquidAcid> i want to migrate from gentoo to debian on this system
1518[21:56:42] <LiquidAcid> i searched, but i don't think there is a armhf installer package, which i can run from an armhf system and which deploys an armhf system
1534[21:59:55] <LiquidAcid> if there's like a debian-installer.sh which i can call from gentoo userspace, then i'm all ears
1535[21:59:58] <jhutchins> LiquidAcid: If you read that, you'll understand how the system works, and you'll understand that booting to another media is how you get there.
1536[22:00:00] <Lady_Aleena> Does anyone know what the rc stands for in file names like .bashrc?
1537[22:00:08] <jmcnaught> LiquidAcid: was your plan to boot into gentoo, run deboostrap on another partition or drive, then change the boot loader to boot the Debian partition?
1538[22:00:23] <LiquidAcid> jmcnaught, that's the plan
1539[22:00:31] <jhutchins> LiquidAcid: There is not. If there were, parts of the OS in RAM would have their disk-based components overwritten, and the system would crash.
1540[22:00:46] <ryouma> resource
1541[22:00:52] <ryouma> LiquidAcid:
1542[22:00:56] <ryouma> Lady_Aleena:
1543[22:01:18] <Lady_Aleena> ryouma,
1544[22:01:30] <oxek> is /dev/full always full of binary zeros on all systems that provide /dev/full ?
1545[22:01:30] <LiquidAcid> jhutchins, i don't want to boot from an install medium, that's not an acceptable solution, period.
1547[22:01:49] <oxek> meaning is /dev/full equivalent to /dev/zero for reading?
1548[22:02:06] <Lady_Aleena> jhutchins, thanks...
1549[22:02:17] <yanmaani> Can't you debootstrap into a chroot, then atomically remount / as /asd and /path/to/chroot as /, then reboot?
1550[22:02:26] <jmcnaught> LiquidAcid: as long as you're running debootstrap on a different drive or partition I don't see a problem. Definitely have backups of course.
1551[22:02:42] <yanmaani> Or debootstrap into partition X (assuming separate /home), then change /etc/fstab to mount X as /, then reboot?
1553[22:03:08] <ryouma> actually there is quite a lot on rc files. i would no longer trust the resource or resource control or configuration idea as i was told. " The ‘rc’ suffix goes back to Unix's grandparent, CTSS. It had a command-script feature called "runcom". Early Unixes used ‘rc’ for the name of the operating system's boot script, as a tribute to CTSS runcom." --- e.g.
1556[22:03:19] <jhutchins> LiquidAcid: You should still read the IG, because there are clearly aspects of this you don't understand. It covers debootstrap.
1557[22:03:35] <LiquidAcid> jmcnaught, thanks, no important files on the device
1558[22:03:51] <jmcnaught> LiquidAcid: that link above is how to debootstrap from another distro
1590[22:38:17] <hassoon> when i run wine whatever.exe as root, the sound does work in wine, but when running with a normal non-root user , the sound in wine does not work at all
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1646[23:24:40] <LiquidAcid> dashs, why not use rfkill?
1647[23:25:03] <tomreyn> if you're trying to prevent any wifi communication now and in the future, yes, but blacklisting just the immediate driver should suffice.
1648[23:25:40] <tomreyn> you may also be able to disable this on the 'bios', if it supports this.
1651[23:27:14] <LiquidAcid> or just use rfkill block on the device
1652[23:27:29] <ryouma> are there any good merging procedures for debian packages? suppose you are running stable smoothly, then your computer crashes. you use a backup of boot and root for about 6 months. during that time, packages change, and you change /etc. then later you get the version just before your crash. what do you do to merge?
1656[23:29:00] <ryouma> 3 versions: 1) ancestor (your old backup) 2) your running copy derived from 1 3) your most recent backup before crash derived from 1. you want to merge package lists and /etc configurations.
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1665[23:32:08] <tomreyn> ryouma: what do you mean by "crash"? also, the procedure you describe, of mixing different patch levels of debian package contents, seems like a bad strategy to me.
1666[23:32:31] <tomreyn> i'm not certain that i'm getting your explanation correctly, though
1667[23:33:03] <LiquidAcid> ryouma, i don't understand why you use two backup states, what's the point?
1668[23:33:05] <tomreyn> finally, what you call 'backups' seem to be snapshots rather, based on your description
1669[23:33:19] <LiquidAcid> just use the most recent backup state for your recovery
1674[23:40:14] <rgr> wheres the best place to add something like "shutdown -h 00:00" in startup so its set every day?
1675[23:41:29] <ryouma> when i say backup here, i mean a complete running debian system, snapshotted off of running system, and with fstab etc. fixed so that it is bootable to be identical to the system at the time the backup was made. for health reasons i do not have access to (3), but when i do have access to it, i will want to merge package and /etc changes (with manual intervention to just get what is meaningful). the NET EFFECT, mod
1676[23:41:29] <ryouma> ulo manual intervention (i.e. i will select the changes i deem useful), is that packages and /etc configurations (/etc files are modified via debconf and also manually) are merged as follows: the delta from (1) above to (3) above gets "applied" to (2). despite the apparent complexity of this description in the light of "just use most recent backup" i imagine that problems similar to this are common in practice.
1703[23:52:43] <ryouma> if nobody has any answers, i'm guessing there is nothing out there for debian and most people ignore such problems rather than seek package and config merging of this type
1704[23:53:20] <LiquidAcid> ryouma, gentoo has etc-update, if that's what you're looking for