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• 12[00:10:06] <mirrorbird> what e-mail clients do you guys use?
• 13[00:10:38] <sponix> I haven't used an email client since Gmail became a thing
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• 15[00:11:03] <mason> mirrorbird: mutt
• 16[00:13:14] <jhutchins> mirrorbird: I use roundcube because I used to need access from outside my firewall.
• 17[00:14:06] <jhutchins> mirrorbird: I've managed a live public mailserver, and it's not something I want to deal with, so miniman configuration, no access to mail ports, and it's got a decent interface.
• 18[00:14:27] <jhutchins> mirrorbird: KDE 3.5 had a decent mail client, but they killed everything in 4.
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• 21[00:16:50] <mirrorbird> yes mutt is supposedly good/"powerful", whatever that means in a mail client. well i used it once to send a patch.
• 22[00:17:13] <mirrorbird> i just want a fast program where i can read mailing lists and also all my own emails
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• 25[00:17:39] <mirrorbird> having a relatively sluggish laptop with a small screen, i don't want 5+ gmail tabs open at all times
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• 27[00:17:50] <mirrorbird> gmail is so slow :S i mean, the client website.
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• 32[00:23:08] <mirrorbird> right now i have claws but there are like 100 000 emails backed up from high volume mailing lists so i'm afraid to open it. not sure what to do about that
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• 39[00:26:24] <aaro> ,php
• 40[00:26:41] <aaro> ,php7
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• 48[00:33:49] <aaro> , php
• 49[00:34:11] <aaro> ,v php
• 50[00:34:12] <judd> Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; buster: 2:7.3+69; bullseye: 2:7.4+76; sid: 2:7.4+76
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• 52[00:34:46] <mirrorbird> ,v network-manager-applet
• 53[00:34:47] <judd> No package named 'network-manager-applet' was found in amd64.
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• 57[00:36:35] <oerheks> ,v nm-applet
• 58[00:36:35] <jmcnaught> mirrorbird: nm-applet is in the package network-manager-gnome
• 59[00:36:36] <judd> No package named 'nm-applet' was found in amd64.
• 60[00:36:56] <oerheks> good spot jmcnaught
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• 62[00:37:40] <mirrorbird> and yet... apt install network-manager-TAB gives me network-manager-applet
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• 64[00:38:13] <mirrorbird> soon the debian pope will drag me into a dungeon cell and force me to publically reject my beliefs
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• 68[00:39:56] <abrotman> Didn't we cover this the other day?
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• 70[00:42:09] <mirrorbird> the usual "pff your system is broken it's your fault pff"
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• 81[00:43:34] <abrotman> I didn't say that
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• 92[00:49:33] <mason> mirrorbird: I've got 54,000 emails in one folder here, 36,000 in another. Mutt is unproblematic with them. I suspect it'd handle 100K just as well.
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• 95[00:50:15] <mirrorbird> hmm
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• 98[00:50:23] <mirrorbird> mason, what about browsing emails, is it slow?
• 99[00:50:31] <mirrorbird> when i open claws it starts the download churn
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• 101[00:50:37] <mason> mirrorbird: Browsing meaning reading or ...?
• 102[00:50:37] <mirrorbird> maybe i will finally be a mutt-user
• 103[00:50:48] <mirrorbird> like, scrolling the endless list of email subjects?
• 104[00:51:00] <mason> mirrorbird: It's pretty fast at sorting through things, limiting to various patterns, etc.
• 105[00:51:16] <mason> Yeah, it's fine there. Good threading support, good search functions.
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• 111[00:52:18] <mason> mirrorbird: One thing I do that at least the version of Mutt I have installed doesn't do by default is add SENDER to the imap headers I keep locally, which makes searching out specific mailing lists pretty trivial, even if they're all in the same bucket.
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• 159[01:48:23] <dD_> Whenever I visit mydomain.com I get a proxy error, but whenever I visit it through replaced-url
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• 161[01:49:02] <dD_> (sorry, this is in a debian problem with apache, but would you say I should post this in apache?)
• 162[01:49:12] <sney> yeah, some kind of apache vhost issue
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• 164[01:49:44] <dD_> thanks
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• 166[01:49:57] <sney> and/or perhaps dns? hard to know without seeing configs and specific errors
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• 168[01:52:13] <dD_> sney: so it's weird because the error started coming up without having changed anything
• 169[01:52:43] <dD_> sney: tumu.mx
• 170[01:52:46] <dD_> sney: and replaced-url
• 171[01:52:57] <sney> you have to remember that the web uses a lot of caches
• 172[01:53:07] <sney> so when you make a change it takes a while to be apparent
• 173[01:54:22] <dD_> sney: yeah, i actually just changed my server and took it back while trying to fix it, and i'm pretty sure that i'm seeing the "correct" page
• 174[01:54:45] <sney> Reason: DNS lookup failure for: tumumx.com
• 175[01:54:49] <sney> sounds like there's a typo.
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• 178[01:56:10] <dD_> sney: where would that typo be?
• 179[01:56:32] <Mrbuck> why every major software will have lower version when it comes to debian?
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• 181[01:56:47] <mirrorbird> Mrbuck, because it takes time to package it for debian
• 182[01:56:50] <sney> !tell Mrbuck about stable
• 183[01:56:54] <mirrorbird> and, if you are using stable, it w-- ok
• 184[01:57:20] <sney> dD_: probably in your dns records, but maybe in your vhost definition for tumu.mx. there's a redirect to a record that it can't find.
• 185[01:57:20] <Mrbuck> mirrorbird: ok
• 186[01:57:32] <Mrbuck> and not all software are just stable butt are outdated
• 187[01:58:11] <sney> Mrbuck: if you want to use a distro that always has cutting edge versions of everything, there are lots of those.
• 188[01:58:18] <sney> debian has different goals.
• 189[01:58:32] <sney> if you actually want to know the reasons, you can read debian policy.
• 190[01:58:36] <Mrbuck> sney: what goals?
• 191[01:58:49] <sney> at the risk of repeating myself, stability
• 192[01:59:04] <sney> and before you claim that new versions are stable, sure, maybe they are for you
• 193[01:59:26] <sney> but debian is used in a huge broad range of different use cases and thus needs to be more careful.
• 194[01:59:32] <sney> !policy
• 195[01:59:33] <dpkg> policy is the document that defines how Debian packages should (and must!) interact with each other and with the user to make sure we have a high-quality, stable distribution. You can find it at replaced-url
• 196[01:59:54] <Mrbuck> hmmm
• 197[01:59:57] <Mrbuck> ok
• 198[02:00:55] <dD_> sney: thanks, and do you know why tumu.mx wouldn't work and replaced-url
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• 200[02:01:34] <sney> dD_: most likely because the dns and vhost for replaced-url
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• 204[02:02:15] <Mrbuck> sney: so you sugeesting to use softwares that come with debian and is good practise?
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• 206[02:04:59] <sney> Mrbuck: maybe, depends on what you're doing. debian is an integration project, it's a collection of tools. if those tools aren't appropriate for you, then there are lots of other options out there. debian does try to be universal though, so in general, it'll do what most people need.
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• 208[02:05:09] <lenswipe> hey folks
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• 210[02:05:27] <Mrbuck> sney: makes sense thanks you
• 211[02:05:28] <sney> netcraft.com has a graph of popular server OSes somewhere on their site. they've moved it since the last time I looked, but debian is always top 3.
• 212[02:05:40] <lenswipe> i did a next > next > next re-install and now my BIOS won't even boot to the debian disk
• 213[02:05:45] <lenswipe> i can see it in the installer
• 214[02:05:47] <lenswipe> i just can't boot from it
• 215[02:06:12] <sney> so you next > next > nexted right through a grub install failure?
• 216[02:06:16] <sney> usually those are bright red.
• 217[02:06:23] <lenswipe> *sigh*
• 218[02:06:24] <lenswipe> no.
• 219[02:06:35] <lenswipe> I mean i went through the debian install without any fancy stuff
• 220[02:06:45] <lenswipe> no LVM, no encryption nothing that would add complexity to the install
• 221[02:06:52] <lenswipe> basic install, guided using the entire disk
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• 223[02:06:59] <lenswipe> no separate home partitions
• 224[02:07:06] <lenswipe> and my system is now not bootable
• 225[02:07:54] <sney> the part that makes it bootable comes right at the end. all of those other steps probably worked! we can assume they did. tell us about what happened after the base system and tasks finished installing.
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• 227[02:08:08] <Mrbuck> lenswipe: did it said installation failure at the wnd?
• 228[02:08:15] <lenswipe> Mrbuck, it didn't, no
• 229[02:08:23] <lenswipe> sney, yeah it successfuly installed grub
• 230[02:08:29] <lenswipe> "Successfully"
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• 232[02:08:47] <lenswipe> it did ask me to pick which disk I wanted grub on, and I picked my HDD (not the live USB disk)
• 233[02:08:53] <Mrbuck> check bios and boot order
• 234[02:09:03] <lenswipe> Mrbuck, that hasnt changed
• 235[02:09:07] <lenswipe> this was literally working 2 hours ago
• 236[02:09:35] <dD_> sney: hey, quick question, server seems to be crashing, and now I get a "send disconnect: Broken pipe" whenever i try to ssh into it. any idea what it could be?
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• 238[02:09:51] <sney> dD_: without more information, I'm guessing out of memory
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• 240[02:10:33] <sney> lenswipe: download supergrubdisk and boot from that, see if it gives you your debian install in the menu, once you boot it run update-initramfs -u && update grub as root. then reboot and check again
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• 242[02:11:48] <lenswipe> sney, can i do this from a chroot?
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• 244[02:11:54] <lenswipe> im chroot'd into my install right now
• 245[02:12:07] <Baddaz> Greetinz, sorry uhmn can anyone please give a help... I don't know what just happened to my distro here... I can't update, upgrade nor install any dpkg error: "public file-installer return error 1" so what really has to be done here to resolve it??
• 246[02:12:37] <sney> lenswipe: no. supergrubdisk is a boot disk. it runs grub from its own live environment and tries to autodetect the OSes on a system with a non-working bootloader. it will not work from inside a different OS.
• 247[02:12:56] <dD_> sney: doesn't seem to be the case: replaced-url
• 248[02:13:01] <lenswipe> sney, no i was asking if i could fix grub from inside a chroot
• 249[02:13:08] <sney> !tell lenswipe about fixmbr
• 250[02:13:20] <sney> lenswipe: I'm sure you've seen dpkg's instructions before, but there they are again in a pm
• 251[02:13:28] <lenswipe> thanks
• 252[02:13:38] <sney> dD_: that's disk space. for memory you would use 'free -m' but either way: reboot
• 253[02:14:18] <sney> Baddaz: what debian version, and what happened right before this started?
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• 255[02:15:51] <dD_> sney: oh, sorry! thourght you mean running out of disk space. I got the pipe error, and rebooted and it hadn't helped. Here's is the free -m while I reboot again. replaced-url
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• 259[02:17:23] <sney> dD_: still to vague to give you a useful answer. try again with error logs. you can paste directly to termbin from your server with: cat /path/to/file | nc termbin.com 9999
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• 261[02:17:31] <sney> or you can run a program with the same pipe, etc
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• 264[02:19:44] <rgr> oh, it was worth tuning in for a second to learn about nc termbin.com. Nice one.
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• 266[02:20:51] <sney> termbin is very useful yeah
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• 268[02:21:22] <dD_> sney: so just rebooted and right after the reboot I get this: replaced-url
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• 271[02:23:04] <sney> dD_: that's a kernel panic. looks like you have some deeper problem. there's not much you can do from that point with a vps. "perf buffer not large enough" still suggests a memory issue, but it looked like you had enough
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• 273[02:23:46] <sney> DO has decent email support iirc
• 274[02:25:41] <dD_> sney: sorry, like i had enough?
• 275[02:26:53] <sney> yeah, 4GB is more than enough on a vps for a webserver and you had 1.5GB available. I suspect a problem with the host. (It wouldn't be the first time, digitalocean is known for being... casual with their uptime and reliability)
• 276[02:28:05] <dD_> so, I had an upgrade and after the upgrade my server wouldn't boot. I changed to a previous version of the kernel on grub and it booted, do you think that might have something to do with it?
• 277[02:28:30] <sney> oh certainly, DO vpses sometimes don't upgrade cleanly either
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• 280[02:29:16] <dD_> Also, sorry to keep badgering you with questions, but I can't find any misconfiguration on the vhosts nor on the server. Do you think it's a bad idea to change the DNS so that replaced-url
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• 283[02:29:54] <sney> again, it's very hard to help you when you won't share any of your configs or logs.
• 284[02:29:58] <sney> all I've done so far is guess.
• 285[02:30:04] <sney> if you want good answers, learn how to paste.
• 286[02:30:05] <sney> !paste
• 287[02:30:06] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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• 289[02:30:32] <dD_> sney: sorry, which logs would be most helpful? the apache logs?
• 290[02:34:05] <dD_> sney: termbin.com/d862
• 291[02:34:16] <dD_> sney: but index.html does not exist
• 292[02:34:52] <sney> line 3 looks like the relevant one
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• 294[02:35:06] <sney> wordpress has good docs, too. read them.
• 295[02:35:34] <sney> and for any more apache vhost problems, share your apache vhost config.
• 296[02:35:50] <lenswipe> sney, should /boot be bootable?
• 297[02:36:03] <sney> lenswipe: efi or legacy?
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• 299[02:37:03] <lenswipe> sney, efi
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• 301[02:37:24] <sney> doesn't matter
• 302[02:37:47] <lenswipe> k
• 303[02:37:50] <lenswipe> i just realized
• 304[02:37:57] <lenswipe> i dont have an efi partition in this partition table anywhere
• 305[02:38:11] <lenswipe> i used "Guided partitioning and setup encrypted LVM"
• 306[02:38:18] <lenswipe> and there's no EFI partition listed
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• 308[02:38:48] <lenswipe> does that matter?
• 309[02:39:18] <sney> there should always be an efi partition on an efi system. if you don't have one, it sounds like you installed in legacy mode.
• 310[02:39:19] <dvs> I guess it depends what grub packages you have installed
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• 312[02:41:12] <lenswipe> sney, well the question is - im in the live installer right now
• 313[02:41:18] <lenswipe> should i see an EFI partition listed there?
• 314[02:41:23] <lenswipe> or does it just hide under /boot?
• 315[02:41:42] <dD_> sney: replaced-url
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• 318[02:43:05] <Baddaz> (sney) SMP Debian 5.4.13 I tried to install some vmware and prompted to dabase configuration, buh it didn't get installed though... So now I can't manage any dpkg "file publicfile_0.52.-11.debian.tar.xz or. debiantar.gz/0.52-11.dsc not found in directory 'usr/scr/publicfile-installer:
• 319[02:47:05] <lenswipe> sney, ?
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• 322[02:49:25] <dD__> sney: sorry, got disconnected
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• 324[02:53:18] <dD__> sney: fixed the .htaccess, error not coming out but I still get the same problem s
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• 326[02:55:04] <sney> Baddaz: there is no 5.4.13 kernel in debian anywhere. please go to the correct channel for your OS.
• 327[02:55:34] <lenswipe> sney, Does GRUB setup the EFI partition automatically at the end of the install, or do I need to do it manually somehow in the installer?
• 328[02:55:56] <sney> the debian installer sets up the efi partition(s) in an efi system.
• 329[02:56:46] <lenswipe> point is - it's not something i need to configure when i setup my LVM and primary partitions?
• 330[02:57:10] <sney> no, as long as the debian installer was booted in efi mode, it will take care of efi for you.
• 331[02:57:30] <lenswipe> i.e: from this screen: replaced-url
• 332[02:57:31] <lenswipe> okay, cool
• 333[02:57:42] <lenswipe> sney, how do i double check if the installer was booted in EFI mode?
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• 335[02:57:52] <lenswipe> i think it was, but...
• 336[02:58:08] <sney> dD__: this might be the longest apache2 config I've seen in some time. but I don't see anything immediately weird here, and the ServerAlias lines should cover your domains, so go back and look at dns again.
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• 339[02:58:35] <sney> dD__: also, last time I used wordpress, they saved some domain information in the site db. check there too.
• 340[02:58:58] <lenswipe> oh lordy...wordpress
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• 342[02:59:42] <sney> lenswipe: not 100%, but you could check if /sys/firmware/efi exists
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• 344[03:00:02] <sney> the best way to make sure is to fix the boot order on your system so legacy booting is disabled.
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• 347[03:01:36] <dD__> sney: hey, I'm finding an .htaccess file that might be problematic
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• 355[03:05:59] <another> lenswipe: if you had to select a disk or partition to install grub on, you likely installed grub in BIOS mode
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• 358[03:08:08] <lenswipe> another, shit
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• 360[03:09:33] <lenswipe> its saying now it can't mount /tmp
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• 363[03:10:56] <Baddaz> (sydney) for pent-testing I'm using kali which seem to built on that SMP deb version, but OS version is: 2020.3 kali rolling.
• 364[03:11:58] <lenswipe> another, AH! during the usb boot i got a choice to legacy boot or UEFI boot
• 365[03:14:18] <sney> Baddaz: kali is not supported here. you won't get around that by saying that it's based on debian. we know, it doesn't matter, go to #kali-linux
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• 372[03:17:37] <abrotman> however, there is a #vmware that might be more help
• 373[03:17:38] <dD__> sney: thank you so much for all of your help. there was a line in the .htaccess that was redirecting to the tumumx.com domain
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• 375[03:18:15] <sney> dD__: no problem. sounds like you've improved your own troubleshooting skills too. that's a success for us.
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• 378[03:19:01] <Baddaz> sney thanks let's hope I'll get the help
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• 380[03:20:14] <sney> Baddaz: if you're new to linux and trying to learn, you can always try debian. a lot of new kali users don't know that the same tools are available for any linux OS. you can pentest from anything. kali has it pre-installed, but kali won't give you the skills.
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• 385[03:29:01] <Baddaz> (sney) Ohh is't!! Okay I'll just download the latest version of Debian then, thanks. We'll I olso want to try raspbian for + raspberry Pi use. So is't officially built from Debian?
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• 387[03:29:52] <sney> raspbian isn't an official part of debian either.
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• 389[03:30:20] <Baddaz> Okay lemme go for Debian straight up
• 390[03:30:42] <sney> !handbook
• 391[03:30:43] <dpkg> The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at replaced-url
• 392[03:31:10] <Baddaz> Thanx
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• 410[03:50:00] <Oberon4278> I've got a .deb file, when I tried apt install via apt-get install ./filename it says there are two unmet dependencies.
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• 414[03:50:13] <Oberon4278> Do I just apt-get install those two and redo the file, or have I broken something?
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• 417[03:52:19] <sney> Oberon4278: if you apt install ./foo.deb it'll take care of the rest for you
• 418[03:52:31] <sney> apt-get isn't smart enough for that
• 419[03:52:58] <Oberon4278> I would have thought as much, but apt isn't doing it either.
• 420[03:53:23] <sney> you can install the dependencies yourself too, or run 'apt -f install' after installing the .deb, it'll all have the same result
• 421[03:53:30] <Oberon4278> okay
• 422[03:53:33] <Oberon4278> I'll give that a shot, thank you.
• 423[03:54:29] <Oberon4278> huh, says it can't find the package, that's odd
• 424[03:55:04] <sney> some .deb packages are not built for debian (weird, I know) and expect random deps that you may not have.
• 425[03:55:46] <sney> for more details you'll need to provide more details. we can't really support 3rd party packages here, but we can help you look in the right direction.
• 426[03:55:54] <Oberon4278> I think the problem is that it was built for Debian 9.something and I'm on 10.something
• 427[03:56:09] <sney> that could be it.
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• 429[03:58:29] <Oberon4278> This is one of the packages requested
• 430[03:58:30] <Oberon4278> replaced-url
• 431[03:59:07] <Oberon4278> so apparently it exists for 10x
• 432[03:59:22] <sney> ,v libqt5gui5
• 433[03:59:24] <judd> Package: libqt5gui5 on amd64 -- jessie: 5.3.2+dfsg-4+deb8u2; jessie-security: 5.3.2+dfsg-4+deb8u4; stretch: 5.7.1+dfsg-3+deb9u2; stretch-proposed-updates: 5.7.1+dfsg-3+deb9u2; stretch-security: 5.7.1+dfsg-3+deb9u2; buster: 5.11.3+dfsg1-1+deb10u3; buster-security: 5.11.3+dfsg1-1+deb10u3; bullseye: 5.14.2+dfsg-5; sid: 5.14.2+dfsg-5
• 434[04:00:06] <sney> KDE stuff tends to jump versions between debian versions. if what you're installing depends on debian 9's KDE libs, you may be better off running it in a debian 9 vm
• 435[04:00:28] <sney> or ask the provider if they have a newer version of the package. debian 10 is over a year old, they've had time.
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• 437[04:01:11] <Oberon4278> okay, I'll just bug them for an updated package
• 438[04:01:15] <Oberon4278> or a refund
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• 525[04:06:12] <sney> ,file 10-installer
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• 536[04:06:19] <judd> Search for 10-installer in buster/amd64: google-android-platform-10-installer: usr/share/lintian/overrides/google-android-platform-10-installer
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• 543[04:07:01] <sney> efloid: doesn't look like it came from a debian package, and it's not on any of my systems.
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• 547[04:07:08] <efloid> maybe something leftover by the debian installer?
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• 549[04:07:23] <efloid> sney: it existed after a fresh install
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• 556[04:07:44] <sney> that is what the name suggests.
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• 558[04:08:17] <sney> efloid: what do you get from 'dpkg -S 10-installer'?
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• 563[04:09:00] <efloid> unfortunately i deleted it. but the directive in it was preventing the NOPASSWD line for %sudo in /etc/sudoers from working
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• 566[04:09:22] <sney> well, without any specific information, we can't do much here.
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• 569[04:09:25] <efloid> sney: dpkg -S does not list it
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• 571[04:09:38] <efloid> yeah i was just asking if anyone has heard about it
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• 661[06:02:04] <Aurora_v_kosmose> Is there any vnc server with systemd service files pre-made?
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• 666[06:06:24] <somiaj> Aurora_v_kosmose: do the ones in debian not come with a systemd unit file? Or are they relaying on sysvinit compadability?
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• 669[06:08:06] <Aurora_v_kosmose> tigervnc-standalone-server and tightvncserver both lack systemd files. I have no idea how to check for sysvinit compatibility.
• 670[06:08:26] <Aurora_v_kosmose> But it that's supposed to be /etc/init.d/ files, they also lack them.
• 671[06:10:02] <somiaj> I'm poking around and noticing the same thing.
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• 676[06:13:55] <somiaj> I think the issue is you don't want the service running as root, but as your user, so the package can't automate this. Maybe you need to create a --user unit file for this, though not something I have done.
• 677[06:14:21] <somiaj> well running as root (or another system user), but instead as an end user which might be unknown to the package
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• 679[06:18:00] <somiaj> so yea looks like you'll have to make your own unit file, but there are various examples out there. Another place to look is /usr/share/doc/packagename, sometimes example configs will be put there, and you can copy/edit the example.
• 680[06:18:55] <somiaj> for instance I see various things in /usr/share/doc/tightvncserver/, maybe one of them gives you info on creating a unit file.
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• 683[06:20:16] <Aurora_v_kosmose> systemd has means for user-running though, as nginx does so by default
• 684[06:20:25] <Aurora_v_kosmose> iirc
• 685[06:20:46] <Aurora_v_kosmose> In any case, bird certainly does
• 686[06:20:53] <somiaj> correct, the issue is with nginx, a system user, replaced-url
• 687[06:21:27] <Aurora_v_kosmose> somiaj: Isn't VNC supposed to be able to login into whatever user it wants which you whitelisted, much like SSH?
• 688[06:21:58] <Oberon4278> So apparently I somehow have bullseye. I thought I installed buster. Will apt-get upgrade make that change, or did I somehow download the wrong ISO?
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• 690[06:22:26] <Oberon4278> I have a feeling this explains why half the packages I'm trying to install aren't working.
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• 693[06:24:01] <somiaj> Aurora_v_kosmose: I think you can run a display manager over vnc, so that might be possible. I don't use vnc so not familar with it or how debian deals with it. My assumption is the unit file isn't provided for a reason.
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• 695[06:24:23] <somiaj> Oberon4278: if you add bullseye/testing to your sources.list, debian will upgrade you to that
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• 697[06:24:56] <somiaj> Aurora_v_kosmose: But i'm not finding much information, which kinda suprises me that there isn't docs for how to run a server as a single user, or using a display manager over vnc.
• 698[06:25:11] <Oberon4278> I didn't have it in there, so I must have just downloaded the wrong ISO.
• 699[06:25:30] <somiaj> Oberon4278: can you put the output of 'apt policy' at paste.debian.net
• 700[06:25:34] <Oberon4278> I've switched my sources.list to list bullseye instead of buster and things are working now.
• 701[06:25:36] <Oberon4278> sure, one sec
• 702[06:26:01] <somiaj> oh now that you have switched to bullseye, it will say bullseye, but most likely something you did to upgrade
• 703[06:26:17] <rgr_> thats a rather big tweak.
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• 706[06:26:54] <Oberon4278> paste.debian.net/1160452
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• 708[06:27:06] <Oberon4278> which, as you noted, will say bullseye now
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• 710[06:27:41] <somiaj> yup, your current sources are all bullseye, running 'apt dist-upgrade' should ensure you are fully upgraded to bullseye.
• 711[06:27:50] <Oberon4278> ok I'll do that, thank you
• 712[06:27:57] <somiaj> There really isn't a way to downgrade (unless you reinstall), and if you need support for testing, #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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• 714[06:28:20] <Oberon4278> The thought of reinstalling is mildly dreadful.
• 715[06:28:57] <somiaj> Aurora_v_kosmose: other's might have a better knowledge on vnc, so stick around (also standard work hours in the USA this place seems to be a bit more active -- though there are people here from all time zones)
• 716[06:29:19] <Oberon4278> But I think I'm going to. I don't want to be using an unstable version.
• 717[06:29:45] <Aurora_v_kosmose> somiaj: Sounds reasonable, I suppose I could ask again during those times.
• 718[06:29:47] <Oberon4278> although it would be good practice, setting up my wireless NIC again...
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• 724[06:37:15] <somiaj> Oberon4278: testing is used by many as their desktop as it isn't as old, so it can be fairly solid. There are some main disavantages, and the biggest one is slow security support and transitions can sometimes make certain software a bit buggy for a while.
• 725[06:37:52] <somiaj> but with the freeze comming up (this fall), runnign testing now for a desktop use, the lack of timely security support is one of the biggest issues. Constantlly upgrading things can be a bit of a pain too.
• 726[06:38:02] <somiaj> !firmware images
• 727[06:38:02] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
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• 729[06:38:23] <somiaj> Using the unoffical firmware netinstall image should make installing and setting up the wireless fairly smooth (for most wifi cards)
• 730[06:40:18] <Aurora_v_kosmose> If I go by guides found online, it basically cannot do the login server shenanigans I want.
• 731[06:41:26] <somiaj> I'd try back at a different time, I know there are vnc users here, just not something I use.
• 732[06:42:09] <Aurora_v_kosmose> It can run as a service though replaced-url
• 733[06:43:14] <somiaj> Yea, to me I think the issue is this is not something that probably should be included by default, but should be provided in /usr/share/doc/ as an example one can copy/user
• 734[06:43:25] <somiaj> maybe a wiki page on this could help, but so far I'm not finding much
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• 738[06:48:40] <Oberon4278> It turns out I actually had the firmware netinst ISO for buster handy, so I'm doing the reinstall now.
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• 776[08:01:06] <SpeedyG> heya, i'm just wondering... seeing offsec taking the step with kali to move from bash to zsh..... are there any plans for that in the debian community to do the same with debian? (just curious, not intending to start a flamewar on shells or a 'go to offsec for kali' kind of discussion)
• 777[08:06:23] <Wulf> SpeedyG: you mean change the default interactive shell in debian?
• 778[08:06:50] <Wulf> SpeedyG: I assume kali does it because zsh is l33ter?
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• 780[08:07:06] <Wulf> everyone uses bash, so why should they?
• 781[08:08:27] <sney> zsh has been available in debian since *checks tracker* 1997
• 782[08:09:33] <sney> it's available if you need it. if your use case requires it, it's there! for defaults, debian will generally just stick with popularity stats across thousands of users.
• 783[08:12:18] <sney> as many of us (maybe not SpeedyG) know, kali is a specialized security distro for professionals, developed mainly by a few debian developers. perhaps the kali use case justifies zsh as a default. if hertzog et al thought it made sense to be a broader default, they probably would have pushed for it at the root, instead.
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• 786[08:18:44] <wrksx_> Hey. After a reboot, my raid volumes swaped names md125 <-> md126... Does that make any sense?
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• 797[08:30:06] <Wulf> sney: it makes no sense, it's just a matter of taste.
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• 799[08:31:07] <sney> yeah, around 2004 it looked like zsh was probably going to take over. nobody can account for it, etc
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• 803[08:32:35] <SpeedyG> Wulf: seems that for now, they just 'add' it as default installed.... because of your 2nd response, I assume they will replace it in any next release ;)
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• 810[08:39:16] <Oberon4278> Okay, I've got my network interface set up, and if I manually run ifup <interface> then it'll connect
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• 812[08:39:22] <Oberon4278> but it doesn't auto-connect when I reboot
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• 815[08:39:48] <Oberon4278> I've got "auto <interface>" in /etc/network/interfaces
• 816[08:40:16] <sney> auto should be enough. what network interface is it? do you know what driver is being used?
• 817[08:40:36] <Oberon4278> it's a USB NIC, and the driver is... I forget off the top of my head
• 818[08:40:48] <Oberon4278> AR9271
• 819[08:42:03] <Oberon4278> I've got a rename directive in interfaces, might that affect it?
• 820[08:42:24] <Oberon4278> because the full name of the interface is wlxec086b083d0a
• 821[08:42:48] <sney> ok, it probably isn't loading the driver early enough
• 822[08:43:32] <Oberon4278> huh, okay, I never would have thought about that
• 823[08:43:47] <Oberon4278> ls
• 824[08:43:49] <Oberon4278> oops
• 825[08:44:43] <sney> read 'man modprobe.d' - basically you will need to specify the driver in a text file, and then run 'update-initramfs -u' so that it loads in the initial ramdisk, before the rest of the system
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• 827[08:47:44] <rwp> For USB I recommend using allow-hotplug instead of auto. Since USB is a hotplug system.
• 828[08:48:08] <Oberon4278> Is there a way to make sure that driver load order is the problem first?
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• 830[08:48:42] <sney> also a good call, but if the nic in question is important for the main nic in your system, ensuring that it's in the initrd is a good first step.
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• 832[08:48:52] <rwp> I would look in dmesg output of the kernel ring buffer. Look in /var/log/syslog. Install bootlogd and look in /var/log/boot
• 833[08:49:14] <Oberon4278> yeah I'm in syslog now, looking for the network setup part
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• 835[08:52:06] <Oberon4278> found it
• 836[08:56:02] <Oberon4278> well, apparently I spoke too soon, this time when I rebooted it came up fine
• 837[08:56:17] <Oberon4278> which I only realized while reading through the syslog O_O
• 838[08:59:58] <sney> yep so there's probably a race condition *somewhere* which you can mitigate by making sure your nic driver is in the initrd
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• 840[09:01:05] <Oberon4278> k I'll check when Gnome is done installing
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• 843[09:03:34] <Oberon4278> actually, I suppose I could ssh to the machine since we're on the same network
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• 870[09:33:50] <Oberon4278> So... modprobe -c, then grep for my driver name to see if it's in initrd?
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• 872[09:35:39] <Oberon4278> actually, it's 1am, I'm going to bed
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• 879[09:39:56] <Oberon4278> well, /etc/modeprobe.d already has ath9k_htc.conf in it, which has the line 'options ath9k_htc use_dev_fw=1'
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• 881[09:40:40] <Oberon4278> ...okay now I'm going to bed for real, good night and thank you for your help
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• 883[09:41:18] <Oberon4278> como98
• 884[09:41:20] <Oberon4278> shit
• 885[09:41:28] <Oberon4278> well I guess I'm changing my password
• 886[09:41:39] <jelly> dpkg, pal Oberon4278
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• 888[09:41:39] * dpkg points at Oberon4278 and laughs hysterically
• 889[09:41:41] <Oberon4278> I knew that was going to happen sooner or later, with this two-keyboard setup
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• 892[09:42:22] <jelly> there, now change that and goto sleep
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• 894[09:43:34] <Oberon4278> dpkg?
• 895[09:44:44] <Oberon4278> never mind, good night
• 896[09:44:56] <Haohmaru> Oberon4278 IRC clients typically have a "status" or "server" window, write commands there, accidents won't end up being sent as messages to channels/people
• 897[09:45:21] <Oberon4278> the issue is that I have two keyboards in front of me
• 898[09:45:27] <Oberon4278> one for this machine, one for the Linux box
• 899[09:45:47] <Oberon4278> it's a messy setup but until I get a kvm switch I'm making the best of it
• 900[09:47:40] <Haohmaru> i've had this setup too.. now the two keyboards are side by side
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• 903[09:48:53] <Oberon4278> oh that's a good idea
• 904[09:49:02] <Oberon4278> now the Linux keyboard is under the Linux monitor
• 905[09:49:17] <jim> Oberon4278, both keyboards usb?
• 906[09:49:25] <Oberon4278> yes
• 907[09:50:24] <Haohmaru> replaced-url
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• 909[09:50:52] <Oberon4278> that just looks painful
• 910[09:51:00] <jim> what I did, is got a 4-way usb switch (a tiny one) and a little hub... plugged the mouse and keyboard into the hub, pluged the hub into the switch, then ran usb cables from a switchport to a machine
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• 912[09:51:26] <jelly> a small usb switch and a separate small HDMI switch = kvm
• 913[09:51:40] <Oberon4278> y'all are brilliant
• 914[09:51:47] <Oberon4278> I was going to buy a full on kvm
• 915[09:52:10] <jim> I didn't know they had hdmi switches :)
• 916[09:52:40] <wrksx_> Unattended upgrades updated my kernel, leading to an update-initramfs
• 917[09:52:44] <Oberon4278> well, I have three monitors, one of which is on the linux box so an HDMI switch isn't necessary
• 918[09:53:05] <wrksx_> then it updated firmware-bnx2 which led to another update-initramfs
• 919[09:53:08] <jim> but for my case, my monitor has some hdmi inputs that it switches
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• 921[09:53:36] <wrksx_> I didn't reboot between the two upgrades, is this a possible reason for a boot issue?
• 922[09:53:50] <jim> so I really built a km switch, the v switch was already taken care of :)
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• 925[09:55:51] <jelly> I had just one DVI-D monitor and needed to work on two machines, got a cheap usb switch for "share usb printer between two hosts" and a cheap hdmi switch "for tv"
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• 931[10:01:28] <Haohmaru> my two comput0rz each have their own monitor/mau5/keyboard
• 932[10:02:01] <jelly> that's nice if you have enough desk space
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• 955[10:24:44] <Fleuv> Anyone here experience with configuring modprobe?
• 956[10:24:53] <jelly> !anyone
• 957[10:24:53] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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• 959[10:25:35] <jelly> best explain what your real goal is, Fleuv
• 960[10:25:36] <Fleuv> Alright well might I link to a stackoverflow question?
• 961[10:25:57] <Fleuv> I described the answer there more precisely
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• 963[10:27:02] <jelly> eh, okay, but if you don't provide at least a sentence here people will be less likely to look it up
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• 965[10:28:24] <Fleuv> Well docker requires some configuration in modprobe to allow it to persist and run rootless, however their documentation doesn't describe how to precisely configure modprobe so it persists
• 966[10:28:41] <Fleuv> Check out this SO for errors and my findings: replaced-url
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• 968[10:30:07] <Fleuv> So to summarize my question would be the same as the SO: How to set modprobe overlay permit_mounts_in_userns=1?
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• 973[10:32:15] <jelly> echo options overlay permit_mounts_in_userns=1 >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (or just edit the file if you created it before)
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• 975[10:33:24] <ksk> Fleuv: I cannot copy that statement.
• 976[10:33:37] <ksk> I install docker on sid, and then I have fun. no Modprobe involved.
• 977[10:33:38] <jelly> Fleuv, the SO attempt is missing "options " keyword before the module name
• 978[10:33:46] <jelly> ksk, they are not on sid
• 979[10:34:12] <ksk> that is just a disclaimer, I do believe that the same does apply to stable. let me check.
• 980[10:34:23] <jelly> Please do not assume that.
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• 982[10:35:04] <jelly> Much also: please avoid giving help in #debian that you only tested on testing or unstable branches
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• 984[10:35:18] <ksk> noted, thanks.
• 985[10:35:37] <RoyK> btw, I prefer a separate modprobe.d file for each module instead of a 'diverse' bucket such as local.conf, but again, that's up to you
• 986[10:36:03] <jelly> if the user is on testing/unstable they'll probably get punted to the separate channel, to get better help
• 987[10:36:06] <jelly> !debian-next
• 988[10:36:06] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
• 989[10:37:16] <jelly> the main channel caters to stable and older, in part because optimal solutions for stable can differ significantly than optimal solutions for sid
• 990[10:38:19] <Fleuv> Thank you jelly that worked!
• 991[10:38:42] <Fleuv> However still can't run docker as non-root :S
• 992[10:39:38] <ksk> You are starting it via "systemctl --user"? what output do you get?
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• 994[10:40:15] <Fleuv> Failed to start docker.service: Unit docker.service not found.
• 995[10:40:43] <Fleuv> I guess it should be ran as root
• 996[10:41:01] <ksk> If you want to run docker "rootless": No!
• 997[10:41:08] <ksk> are you following replaced-url
• 998[10:41:31] <ksk> (the error you get indicates there is no unit named docker in the users scope)
• 999[10:41:35] <Fleuv> Yes
• 1000[10:42:16] <Fleuv> Aah wait i see now, i skipped the install step
• 1001[10:42:18] <Fleuv> :X
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• 1004[10:45:03] <ksk> Fleuv: just a personal note: People who run docker (in production) do not use rootless as far as I know. If you want to have fun with Docker, I really suggest you do everything "the docker way"
• 1005[10:45:31] <ksk> If you just want to have "safe containers" I suggest taking a look at unpriviledges lxc-containers, for example.
• 1006[10:48:17] <Fleuv> ksk, aah oke well for now it's not a big consern. It will be a used for a staging environment.
• 1007[10:50:50] <jelly> do not assume unprivileged userns is safe. Enabling that option in kernel opens more local exploits than it closes, and is know to be very finicky, very unpolished code
• 1008[10:51:37] <jelly> thus Debian and some other distro kernels have it disabled by default
• 1009[10:52:49] <jelly> (it works, but do not rely on it as a security measure, and only run code you trust in that docker)
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• 1012[10:54:18] <apollo13> also rootless podman is probably way more polished than rootless docker
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• 1033[11:17:05] <ratrace> does one even need USER_NS to run containerized apps rootles? no. I don't know if docker insists on userns, but I run containerized services without root, no userns, using standard systemd service unit hardening options
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• 1036[11:27:57] <ksk> ratrace: but the whole thing is about having the whole docker thing run in userspace, in contrast to having a root docker daemon, and a user in group docker
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• 1039[11:32:27] <Haohmaru> i've used a few screenshot programs that pop up a dialog when you press PrintScreen.. is there something that just immediately grabs the screen?
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• 1043[11:36:23] <jelly> scrot
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• 1049[11:41:51] <Sora> can someone tell me why blocking port 53 tcp INPUT in iptables breaks all my dns lookups
• 1050[11:41:59] <Sora> i'm not blocking output
• 1051[11:42:20] <bauen1> Sora: do you allow all traffic over `lo` (loopback) first ?
• 1052[11:42:28] <ksk> wild guess: you have a local resolver setup. Does systemd do that nowadays?
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• 1055[11:44:56] <Sora> ok that fixed it
• 1056[11:44:57] <Sora> ty
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• 1072[11:56:31] <igserrano> Hi all
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• 1075[11:57:35] <igserrano> I have the last version of Debian I use Cinammon desktop and my problem is that de system freezes continously
• 1076[11:58:13] <igserrano> I can not use Cntr + alt + del or at + f4. Just shut down
• 1077[11:58:36] <igserrano> How can I find the origin of the problem?
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• 1083[12:04:50] <klys> igserrano, I remember something like that happening last time I used cinnamon, too. ssh in to your computer and see if you can cause it to work by sigalling cinnamon with kill or killall.
• 1084[12:05:11] <klys> signalling*
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• 1086[12:07:14] <warbaque> how should I test and debug bandwith between my client and server? speedtest shows 1Gb/1Gb (dl/ul) for my server and 400Mbit/4Mbit for my client, but when I try with iperf I get bandwith around 22Mbit/s
• 1087[12:08:38] <igserrano> klys: I have used gnome too, with the same problem. I do not have other pc available
• 1088[12:09:01] <RoyK> iperf is usually good. check again. iperf 2 og 3?
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• 1091[12:10:44] <warbaque> RoyK: tried with both
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• 1094[12:14:22] <RoyK> warbaque: and the results are consistent?
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• 1097[12:19:18] <warbaque> yes, 22 (+/-) 2 Mbit/s. If I download file for example through http I get download speeds of 20-45MB/s, but I'll also get lot of 'Connection closed at byte 2183921116. Retrying.' So there's definitely problems somewhere
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• 1100[12:24:41] <no_gravity> Another day, another attempt at coinflipping in bash:
• 1101[12:24:48] <no_gravity> bit=$(od -An -N1 -i /dev/random); if (( $bit &1 )); then echo "Yes"; else echo "No"; fi
• 1102[12:26:18] <no_gravity> I wonder if that is the most elegant way.
• 1103[12:26:34] <RoyK> warbaque: something throttling the bandwidth?
• 1104[12:27:34] <RoyK> warbaque: try to create a tcpdump/tshark dump of the http download - it could be interesting to see the last packages there
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• 1109[12:36:39] <no_gravity> Unfortunately, it is hard to test it because of the lack of entropy :)
• 1110[12:36:47] <igserrano> Klys: Is there any other way to solve the problem?
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• 1114[12:38:24] <warbaque> RoyK: nothing should be throttling
• 1115[12:38:47] <warbaque> I'll take a tshark capture of http download
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• 1120[12:48:16] <warbaque> I downloaded 7G file with average download speed of 24MB/s and 6 'Connection closed at byte <byte>. Retrying.' messages at percentages 14, 28, 43, 57, 72, 86
• 1121[12:48:53] <warbaque> tshark output: replaced-url
• 1122[12:49:34] <igserrano> How can I check the system log when the computer freezes?
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• 1124[12:53:37] <RoyK> warbaque: hm - could you make a full dump with -w something.pcap ?
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• 1128[12:57:15] <jelly> warbaque, that sounds like a pretty regular cut off at around 1GB each
• 1129[12:57:24] <RoyK> warbaque: you might want to open that full debug with the wireshark gui
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• 1133[12:58:33] <warbaque> any idea why iperf shows only ~22Mbit/s?
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• 1137[13:02:54] <genr8_> try it in the reverse direction. run the iperf server on the client
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• 1159[13:30:12] <sgo11_> hi, when an external drive is not auto mounted, I would like to mount it to a target directory which is the label name. I knew there is a command line to do this. But I can't remember and don't know what keywords to google. Can anyone help? Thanks.
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• 1162[13:32:58] <towo^work> sgo11_, pmount
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• 1167[13:37:35] <sgo11_> towo^work: Thanks for the reply. But the command I remembered is not `pmount`. and I tried pmount with TAB key, it froze my terminal..
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• 1182[13:50:36] <freesport> Hello. Can I save several folders in the same time with grsync?
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• 1187[13:53:47] <warbaque> genr8_: ok thanks. I was dumb, default mode was that server receives and client sends and not the other way around
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• 1189[13:54:07] <warbaque> with reverse I get 400Mbit/s as expected
• 1190[13:55:40] <sgo11_> I found the command. it's `udisksctl mount -b <device>`
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• 1233[14:55:11] <metbsd> i'm not able to mount exfat
• 1234[14:55:38] <metbsd> it shows fuse-exfat
• 1235[14:55:39] <metbsd> but it's not mounted
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• 1239[14:57:25] <dvs> metbsd, I think exfat was added to the 5.4 kernel
• 1240[14:57:41] <metbsd> but it's stable here
• 1241[14:57:44] <metbsd> 4.x kernel
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• 1243[14:58:00] <metbsd> backport new kernel?
• 1244[14:58:31] <jelly> !exfat
• 1245[14:58:32] <dpkg> exFAT (Extended File Allocation Table, <MBR> partition ID 0x07) is a proprietary file system designed for flash drives. A <FUSE> driver providing exFAT read/write support is packaged for Debian as exfat-fuse. replaced-url
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• 1247[14:58:48] <jelly> is exfat-fuse installed, metbsd?
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• 1249[14:58:58] <metbsd> yes
• 1250[14:59:08] <metbsd> it shows fuse-exfat
• 1251[14:59:11] <metbsd> when i mount
• 1252[14:59:12] <jelly> is your user a member of fuse group?
• 1253[14:59:15] <jelly> what does?
• 1254[14:59:18] <metbsd> root
• 1255[14:59:35] <metbsd> mount -t exfat /dev/sdb1 /mnt/exfat
• 1256[14:59:37] <jelly> sorry, which command shows what precisely?
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• 1258[14:59:50] <zodd> I reinstalled Buster on my Thinkpad. iirc my first install did not require any tweaking to get the Fn/special keys to work. But now they don't running xfce. (sound volume, brightness etc). Any hints appreciated. As I am not sure what to install I have no errors :-(
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• 1260[15:00:08] <jelly> metbsd, okay. does /sbin/mount.exfat exist?
• 1261[15:00:21] <metbsd> yes
• 1262[15:00:30] <metbsd> do you think reboot can fix it
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• 1265[15:01:30] <jelly> perhaps. I don't mount fuse-based filesystems as root, typically I use a normal user for that
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• 1268[15:02:09] <jelly> metbsd, what's the exit status of that mount command?
• 1269[15:02:31] <metbsd> just that output
• 1270[15:02:34] <metbsd> and it's not mount
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• 1272[15:02:41] <metbsd> as if nothing happens
• 1273[15:03:11] <jelly> you can see the exit status by doing "echo $?" immediately after running a command
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• 1275[15:04:39] <metbsd> 0
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• 1277[15:05:30] <jelly> 0 is success. do you see something /mnt/exfat related in "mount" or "df" output after that?
• 1278[15:06:11] <jelly> run them in the same shell, as the same user that did the mount ... command
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• 1299[15:27:32] <jhutchins> zodd: My Dell worked without any extra effort. Did you install the "laptop" task?
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• 1306[15:37:03] <twanny796> how do I download a .deb file?
• 1307[15:37:15] <greycat> same way you download any other file
• 1308[15:37:37] <greycat> would you like to narrow down your question a little bit?
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• 1310[15:37:46] <twanny796> is there an apt download command?
• 1311[15:38:07] <greycat> you mean "download with apt, but do NOT install yet"? Yes, there is. apt-get --download-only install whatever
• 1312[15:38:47] <twanny796> ok
• 1313[15:39:22] <jhutchins> twanny796: There's also a man page for apt.
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• 1316[15:41:10] <twanny796> ok, thank you for your patience
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• 1337[15:59:19] <zodd> jhutchins, I have, but that did not help unfortunately
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• 1341[16:03:31] <jelly> there's also an apt command to download a .deb into the current directory instead of putting it in the apt cache preparing for local installation
• 1342[16:03:53] <metbsd> should exfat in 5.7 kernel works better than fuse-exfat?
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• 1344[16:04:10] <greycat> oh, is that new?
• 1345[16:04:15] <neilthereildeil> how can i download just a package from the debian website?
• 1346[16:04:19] <jelly> proably. In general kernel drivers work at least faster than fuse drivers, if not better
• 1347[16:04:21] <neilthereildeil> specifically, i want the gdb package
• 1348[16:04:56] <jelly> neilthereildeil, gdb package for which distro release and for which architecture?
• 1349[16:05:10] <neilthereildeil> its actually for kali linux, which uses debs
• 1350[16:05:12] <metbsd> is it worth to use new kernel instead of stable
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• 1352[16:05:22] <neilthereildeil> im surprised kali doesnt come twith gdb
• 1353[16:05:26] <neilthereildeil> with*
• 1354[16:05:26] <greycat> jelly: damn, it's in *wheezy*... not new at all.
• 1355[16:05:40] <greycat> neilthereildeil: *plonk*
• 1356[16:05:54] <jelly> neilthereildeil, you will have to ask your distro people if they have an equivalent of packages.debian.org or tracker.debian.org, then
• 1357[16:05:54] <greycat> Take your kali questions to the kali support channel.
• 1358[16:05:59] <neilthereildeil> its not a kali question
• 1359[16:06:04] <neilthereildeil> its a debian question
• 1360[16:06:10] <neilthereildeil> i need to just download the package
• 1361[16:06:10] <jelly> neilthereildeil, this is distro-specific
• 1362[16:06:19] <neilthereildeil> preferably from the debian website
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• 1364[16:06:57] <jelly> neilthereildeil, if you want to download a debian .deb binary you need to know which distro release and which architecture the .deb is for
• 1365[16:07:26] <jelly> in general you shouldn't mix binary packages from different distros
• 1366[16:07:37] <neilthereildeil> hmm ok
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• 1368[16:07:58] <jelly> or even from different releases of the same distro, esp. newer packages into an older release
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• 1372[16:09:26] <jelly> neilthereildeil, so figure out which debian release version, and which target architecture (if it's for a 64bit PC, chances are you want "amd64" arch), and then go visit packages.debian.org/packagename or tracker.debian.org/packagename
• 1373[16:09:34] <mason> jelly: apt-get install --print-uris foo should just take whatever the correct default is. Or is he talking about pulling from something unrelated to what he's running?
• 1374[16:10:04] * mason reads scrollback and his eyes narrow.
• 1375[16:10:12] <neilthereildeil> ok thanks
• 1376[16:10:27] <neilthereildeil> so i need it for latest version of amd64 debian
• 1377[16:10:38] <jelly> mason, not enough information for a (more) meaningful answer
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• 1379[16:11:22] <mason> neilthereildeil: My crystal ball is murky, but I feel like what you really want are package sources to try to build for whatever environment you're in.
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• 1383[16:11:57] <metbsd> i can't find linux-image in backports deb
• 1384[16:12:01] <metbsd> what's the name of it?
• 1385[16:12:08] <jelly> neilthereildeil, latest release would be Debian 10, codename buster. So you'd go to packages.debian.org/gdb , click on buster, that takes you to replaced-url
• 1386[16:12:12] <metbsd> is it 5.7?
• 1387[16:12:18] <jelly> judd, kernels
• 1388[16:12:19] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.7.0-rc5-686 (5.7~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 5.7.0-2-686-pae (5.7.10-1); bullseye: 5.7.0-2-686-pae (5.7.10-1); buster-backports: 5.7.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.7.10-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-10-686 (4.19.132-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.10-686-pae (4.19.132-1~deb9u2); jessie-backports:
• 1389[16:12:20] <judd> 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1)
• 1390[16:12:35] <jelly> metbsd, note that source package for linux kernels is called just "linux"
• 1391[16:13:06] <metbsd> i tried that, don't see linux 5.7
• 1392[16:13:14] <jelly> ,v linux-image-5.7.0-0.bpo.2-amd64
• 1393[16:13:15] <judd> Package: linux-image-5.7.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 on amd64 -- buster-backports: 5.7.10-1~bpo10+1
• 1394[16:13:34] <metbsd> ok so, does this kernel have exfat support?
• 1395[16:13:52] <jelly> metbsd, apt-cache search linux-image-5 or so, if you have backports repo properly enabled
• 1396[16:14:27] <jelly> no idea, I think the bot's kernel CONFIG_* checker is borked
• 1397[16:14:38] <jelly> Try It, And See
• 1398[16:14:42] <metbsd> so i boot this kernel and no need fuse/exfat?
• 1399[16:14:52] <metbsd> i can safely uninstall fuse-exfat?
• 1400[16:15:17] <jelly> I _think_ so. You'll be without a working fsck then however
• 1401[16:15:32] <jelly> I'm only guessing here, never tried it
• 1402[16:15:37] <metbsd> ok what does that mean to me
• 1403[16:16:03] <metbsd> why do i need a working fsck
• 1404[16:16:09] <jelly> it means that if the filesystem breaks even a tiny bit you might not be able to repair it
• 1405[16:16:22] <metbsd> so it's incompleted
• 1406[16:16:30] <metbsd> i should stick with fuse-exfat?
• 1407[16:16:43] <jelly> the tools for fs creation and fs fixing are almost always in userspace
• 1408[16:16:47] <metbsd> does fuse-exfat have fsck?
• 1409[16:17:05] <jelly> probably. dpkg -L packagename will show you its contents
• 1410[16:17:22] <metbsd> ok please just tell me if it's worth use 5.7 for exfat or not worth it just stick to fuse
• 1411[16:17:26] <jelly> a decent fs tools package should have a mkfs and a fsck
• 1412[16:17:37] <jelly> I don't know, never used either.
• 1413[16:17:41] <metbsd> i'm not that expert
• 1414[16:17:47] <metbsd> ok
• 1415[16:17:57] <metbsd> thanks
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• 1417[16:18:50] <jelly> the people who made the kernel driver probably also made matching userspace tools, but those come separately from the kernel
• 1418[16:19:02] <another> exfat-utils
• 1419[16:19:15] <jelly> I would try the kernel fs driver, and keep fuse package installed for its own fsck and mkfs
• 1420[16:19:25] <jelly> ,v exfat-utils
• 1421[16:19:26] <judd> Package: exfat-utils on amd64 -- jessie: 1.1.0-2+deb8u1; stretch: 1.2.5-2; buster: 1.3.0-1; bullseye: 1.3.0-2; sid: 1.3.0-2
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• 1423[16:19:53] <jelly> I _think_ those come from the fuse effort
• 1424[16:20:17] <metbsd> does fuse means back source?
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• 1426[16:20:26] <metbsd> back port, or whatever
• 1427[16:20:45] <metbsd> so it works not as good as native
• 1428[16:20:53] <metbsd> how do you call it?
• 1429[16:21:01] <metbsd> write the source from binary
• 1430[16:21:05] <metbsd> not source
• 1431[16:21:42] <jelly> no, it's jsut a different kind of filesystem driver
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• 1438[16:29:08] <jhutchins> metbsd: While the quality control on official Debian builds is pretty good, they're generic, meant to work across a broad range of hardware and environments.
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• 1440[16:29:40] <jhutchins> metbsd: Custom building your own binary can make it work even better for your specific system - IF you know what you're doing.
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• 1442[16:30:09] <jhutchins> metbsd: The only way to know what you're doing is to learn by doing.
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• 1445[16:32:12] <metbsd> i don't really. lol
• 1446[16:32:18] <metbsd> im just user
• 1447[16:32:32] <metbsd> but i'm learning
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• 1449[16:33:01] <jhutchins> metbsd: Used to be building your own kernel was a kind of right-of-passage, but since we went modular it's gotten pretty rare.
• 1450[16:33:09] <greycat> rite
• 1451[16:33:23] <jhutchins> greycat: Yes, thank you.
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• 1456[16:37:48] <JustASlacker> anybody using dogtag ? any good?
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• 1478[17:06:04] <jhutchins> ,v obs
• 1479[17:06:05] <judd> No package named 'obs' was found in amd64.
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• 1481[17:09:12] <icypee> hey
• 1482[17:09:17] <icypee> i'm on icewm and blueman applet is not showing up on my taskbar at launch
• 1483[17:09:36] <icypee> does anyone know how to fix this?
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• 1491[17:16:11] <freesport32> Hello. I would like to have the name of a backup tool for debian with a graphical interface. I have alreadytried backintime but no way to see the files saved with no restoring the datas. backintime was very nice and does it but is not maintained anymore and crashes when there is no space anymore on the disk and can not cancel.
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• 1493[17:16:50] <freesport32> I mean I have already tried deja-dup but no way to see the files saved with no restoring the datas.
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• 1506[17:20:20] <gypsymauro> hi, I've to wonload only some packages even if the dependencies are not satisfied, there is a way to achieve that? apt-get fails but I wsant just to download the packages with dependencies then I'll solve broken dependencies later
• 1507[17:20:25] <gypsymauro> download
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• 1514[17:28:36] <somiaj> gypsymauro: what version of debian are you running? Since this is a stable support channel, having issues like that shouldn't happen.
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• 1516[17:28:43] <somiaj> and the --download-only flag didn't work?
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• 1518[17:29:01] <f8e4> how do i found out if livecd has: Shared library: [libpthread.so.0] ?
• 1519[17:29:20] <somiaj> there is also 'apt download packagename'
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• 1521[17:29:46] <somiaj> f8e4: From the running livecd, or before you download it?
• 1522[17:30:00] <greycat> unicorn:~$ dpkg -S /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0
• 1523[17:30:00] <greycat> libc6:amd64: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0
• 1524[17:30:12] <f8e4> on a booted livecd replaced-url
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• 1526[17:30:42] <f8e4> greycat how do you know what to type after dpkg -S HERE ?
• 1527[17:30:46] <somiaj> f8e4: if you are booted into it, doing what greycat did, 'dpkg -S filename' will let you know what package installed the file.
• 1528[17:30:59] <somiaj> f8e4: you can just type lipthread.so.0 (you8 don't need the full path)
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• 1530[17:31:34] <greycat> I actually did a "locate" first, and then pasted the path from the 64 bit version (as opposed to the 32 bit version which is also installed)
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• 1532[17:31:58] <f8e4> i get no path found. so i need to locate first ?
• 1533[17:32:00] <greycat> in any case, libpthread is part of libc, and it *will* be there
• 1534[17:32:20] <greycat> unless you are not using Debian, or not using the stable version of Debian
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• 1539[17:35:42] <f8e4> thank you (had typo)
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• 1541[17:37:42] <f8e4> Q2: is 'readelf -d mybin' suffice to get all shared libs to make it run? if one is missing will it run faulty without user noticing ?
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• 1543[17:38:36] <somiaj> f8e4: you should be able to install the missing libs in the live session if they are missing (though you'll have to do that each time you boot)
• 1544[17:39:05] <greycat> I've never heard of readelf before. I've always used ldd for this.
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• 1546[17:39:45] <greycat> If you're seeing loader failures on libpthread I suspect it's an architecture issue, not missing basic libs.
• 1547[17:40:04] <greycat> Is "mybin" an i386 program, or an amd64 program, or none of the above?
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• 1549[17:40:50] <f8e4> amd64. ok i will watch out for terminal logs
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• 1582[18:02:03] <lyind> hi there, since a few days debootstrap of bullseye (testing) stopped working for me. the command is "debootstrap --keyring='/usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg' --include='acpid,blktool,btrfs-progs,busybox-static,curl,dbus,dmidecode,gpgv,grub-pc,hdparm,ipmiutil,iproute2,klibc-utils,less,numactl,nvme-cli,p7zip,parted,pciutils,rsync,screen,smartmontools,ssh,systemd,vim-tiny'
• 1583[18:02:09] <lyind> --exclude='apt-utils,aptitude,blends-tasks,bsdmainutils,cron,dmsetup,e2fsprogs,ed,ifupdown,info,init-system-helpers,iptables,isc-dhcp-client,logrotate,man-db,manpages,nano,rsyslog,tasksel,tasksel-data,tcpd,traceroute' bullseye /somedir replaced-url
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• 1585[18:03:13] <lyind> it fails when configuring util-linux and i suspect a package bug: "/var/lib/dpkg/info/util-linux.postinst: 15: update-rc.d: not found"
• 1586[18:03:42] <lyind> can anyone confirm filing a bug against util-linux would be the correct thing to do?
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• 1588[18:04:38] <lyind> using replaced-url
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• 1590[18:04:40] <jhutchins> !debian-next
• 1591[18:04:40] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
• 1592[18:04:58] <jhutchins> lyind: Check there first.
• 1593[18:05:10] <jhutchins> lyind: Broken thinigs are expected in testing.
• 1594[18:05:21] <lyind> jhutchins: i will thank you
• 1595[18:05:23] <jhutchins> lyind: That looks like it's expecting init.
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• 1597[18:05:50] <lyind> jhutchins: breakage is no problem (i expect it and want to contribute by warning early)
• 1598[18:06:21] <lyind> jhutchins: maybe missing dependency, i will ask in debian-next
• 1599[18:06:36] <jhutchins> lyind: You might also want to try without the extra arguments.
• 1600[18:07:17] <lyind> jhutchins: especially the "skipped/removed" packages, right?! thank you.
• 1601[18:08:01] <lyind> jhutchins: --exclude="init-system-helpers" sound suspicious, even to me...
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• 1603[18:09:22] <jhutchins> lyind: That seems to be the likely problem.
• 1604[18:09:24] <mason> lyind: IF it's dying on lack of update-rc.d, that's probably indicative of the next step of the great chase being implemented.
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• 1606[18:09:54] <lyind> mason: the "great chase"?
• 1607[18:10:09] <lyind> mason: sorry i am an outsider
• 1608[18:10:20] <freesport32> Hello. I would like to have the name of a backup tool for debian with a graphical interface.
• 1609[18:10:28] <jhutchins> lyind: I think he means the migration to systemd.
• 1610[18:10:44] <lyind> jhutchins: ahhh! the GREAT chase.
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• 1612[18:11:17] <jhutchins> freesport32: It's a task better suited to console automation, but what desktop are you using?
• 1613[18:11:29] <jhutchins> freesport32: Pretty sure gnome has an applet.
• 1614[18:12:04] <jelly> lyind, also, try sid and see if it's already fixed there
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• 1617[18:12:16] <lyind> mason: so far systemd has proven to be quite useful for me (from an application developer/cluster admin point of view). after fixing some issues and getting used to it's "ways"
• 1618[18:12:21] <jelly> testing is always lagging behind 5-10 days
• 1619[18:12:21] <lyind> mason: will try sid
• 1620[18:12:42] <mason> lyind: I'm looking now - apt-file update is slowing to a crawl here.
• 1621[18:12:43] <jelly> but yeah. #debian-next @oftc
• 1622[18:13:08] <mason> Ah, found the culprit. But... Is there an apt-file search available via a bot?
• 1623[18:13:21] <mason> ,apt-file search *bin/update-rc.d
• 1624[18:13:23] <mason> or similar?
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• 1631[18:20:19] <oerheks> /clear
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• 1634[18:21:46] <freesport32> jhutchins : gnome
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• 1649[18:29:22] <mason> lyind: Yeah, here's your issue. You've told it to exclude init-system-helpers, but init-system-helpers is what provides /usr/sbin/update-rc.d. Less zeal for the shiny and your installs will keep working.
• 1650[18:29:54] <mason> Sorry about the lag - had to take out a wasp nest in the yard. Four year old and wife were both stung. Stung me twice, but they traded all their lives for it, so I call it fair.
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• 1654[18:32:15] <dvs> O_O
• 1655[18:32:37] <dvs> debian has become rough!
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• 1657[18:33:15] <mason> dvs: Debian didn't package the wasps. They were third-party.
• 1658[18:33:21] <dvs> heh
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• 1661[18:36:26] <jelly> we got bees
• 1662[18:36:31] <jelly> ,i r-cran-beeswarm
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• 1664[18:36:34] <judd> Package r-cran-beeswarm (gnu-r, optional) in buster/amd64: bee swarm plot, an alternative to stripchart. Version: 0.2.3-3; Size: 66.4k; Installed: 106k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 1667[18:37:29] <mason> heh
• 1668[18:37:34] <lyind> mason: yeah, the wasps are friendly in spring and become more aggressive the later it gets in the year. they mostly die anyways before the winter and must protect the nest even more (next generation).
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• 1670[18:37:53] <lyind> mason: got a lot here too, but further from the house
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• 1672[18:38:12] <mason> lyind: I'll make sure they're well-hydrated for the winter.
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• 1674[18:38:40] <lyind> mason: i avoid killing them cause they keep other pests (small flies eating the berries and such) under control
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• 1677[18:40:18] <mason> Yeah, but, vengeance!
• 1678[18:40:35] <lyind> mason: vengeance is ok. ;) thank you for the analysis of my install issue
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• 1681[18:41:35] <mason> lyind: Sure. FWIW, unless you have a distinct and specific need to exclude anything, don't exclude anything. There's still a lot of stuff that uses sysvinit scripts, so you'll likely encounter unexpected results if you gut too much.
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• 1683[18:42:08] <lyind> mason: i use debootstrap with debirf to build a minimal initrd image for PXE boot, every megabyte counts
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• 1685[18:43:30] <lyind> mason: unfortunately i need a few tools, otherwise i would build a specialized linux from scratch for the initrd. but debian makes more sense cause i also use it as a base for installations and for direct chrooting into the machines.
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• 1687[18:44:04] <mason> lyind: Can you do an incredibly minimal PXE initrd and have most everything over an NFS root?
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• 1689[18:44:33] <lyind> mason: i'd rather avoid NFS in that setup, but it is a valid point
• 1690[18:44:34] <mason> lyind: Related, replaced-url
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• 1692[18:44:51] <lyind> mason: didn't know about that
• 1693[18:44:59] <mason> It's brand new, but I'm excited about it.
• 1694[18:45:06] <lyind> mason: me too
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• 1699[18:49:33] <queso> I've always used aptitude for installing updates. Is that program still a good way to do updates?
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• 1701[18:51:14] <mason> Yes.
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• 1705[18:54:26] <queso> Thanks.
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• 1729[19:11:24] <queso> I upgraded to testing. Apt is saying a bunch of packages have been held back. Why is that? And what should I do about it?
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• 1731[19:12:06] <sney> !debian-next
• 1732[19:12:06] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
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• 1736[19:14:51] <queso> Thanks
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• 1747[19:24:49] <freesport32> Hello. I am looking for a backup software easy to use with a graphical interface tha permits to see save files with no necessary restore the files?
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• 1749[19:25:54] <oerheks> freesport32, i use Nautilus to see files, and Rsync and gRsync as gui
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• 1752[19:32:08] <freesport32> oerheks I can not select several source folder with grsync
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• 1754[19:32:24] <freesport32> that is why I want an alternative
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• 1756[19:32:52] <freesport32> oerheks do you know how to select several folders as source / know an alternative?
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• 1759[19:35:22] <oerheks> ,v gadmin-rsync
• 1760[19:35:23] <judd> Package: gadmin-rsync on amd64 -- jessie: 0.1.7-1; bullseye: 0.1.7-1+b2; buster: 0.1.7-1+b2; sid: 0.1.7-1+b2; stretch: 0.1.7-1+b2
• 1761[19:35:34] <oerheks> use this package for administrator rights?
• 1762[19:36:05] <oerheks> there is hardly an issue that has not been brought up before, i noticed the last 10 years
• 1763[19:36:53] <oerheks> some help : replaced-url
• 1764[19:37:59] <freesport32> oerheks what do you mean with "for administrator rights"
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• 1766[19:38:44] <oerheks> I don't know where your source folders are
• 1767[19:39:02] <oerheks> but grsync surely can add multiple folders
• 1768[19:39:15] <oerheks> as administrator = root
• 1769[19:39:30] <freesport32> oerheks do you use grsync?
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• 1794[19:56:59] <gtristan_> Is there any package for fprintd in bullseye ?
• 1795[19:57:17] <gtristan_> Strangely there is in sid and in buster but ... not in testing ?
• 1796[19:57:25] <greycat> ,v fprintd
• 1797[19:57:26] <judd> Package: fprintd on amd64 -- jessie: 0.5.1-1; stretch: 0.7.0-1; buster: 0.8.1-1; sid: 0.9.0-1; experimental: 1.90.1-1
• 1798[19:57:43] <greycat> well, you're the testing user, not us, so go to the tracker and see why it was removed from testing
• 1799[19:57:50] <gtristan_> So I must build it myself
• 1800[19:58:00] <gtristan_> hmmm, tracker
• 1801[19:58:09] * gtristan_ wonders where that is...
• 1802[19:58:14] <greycat> *sigh*
• 1803[19:58:17] <greycat> fucking testing users
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• 1806[19:58:34] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 1808[19:58:50] <gtristan_> hehe
• 1809[19:59:01] <gtristan_> thanks for the link
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• 1816[20:00:20] <gtristan_> gah, looks like it was booted cause of a build failure with uber modern gcc
• 1817[20:00:38] <gtristan_> if only build scripts always just worked
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• 1820[20:02:56] <gtristan_> oh jaysus, this is -Werror even ?
• 1821[20:03:06] <gtristan_> what a strange thing to have enabled
• 1822[20:03:11] <greycat> !debian-next
• 1823[20:03:12] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
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• 1849[20:23:36] <f8e4> why does default /usr/bin/python3 not have pip installed ?
• 1850[20:23:54] <f8e4> python3 -m pip
• 1851[20:23:55] <greycat> ,info python3-pip
• 1852[20:23:57] <judd> Package python3-pip (python, optional) in buster/amd64: Python package installer. Version: 18.1-5; Size: 166.8k; Installed: 690k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 1854[20:24:01] <greycat> Install that.
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• 1857[20:25:46] <freesport32> oerheks are you sure I can set several folder in gdamin-rsync? Did you try?
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• 1867[20:35:35] <ddevault> correct
• 1868[20:36:21] <mutantturkey> has anyone dealt with martian IP packets? I have a slew of these coming into my dmesg log. when i look at the first log line, the mac address is for eth0 on the machine sending the packets, but the IP is for the eth1 from that machine
• 1869[20:36:34] <mutantturkey> seems kind of whack to me
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• 1919[21:39:31] <SanchoPensa> hey guys!
• 1920[21:39:50] <klys> hi
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• 1922[21:40:59] <SanchoPensa> recently a "haveged" came to my attention for the first time, so I googled it.
• 1923[21:40:59] <SanchoPensa> I do understand, that it is an entropy daemon, supposed to produce random numbers through the havege algorithm.
• 1924[21:40:59] <SanchoPensa> Accoring to google that one is used to create numbers for encryption.
• 1925[21:41:21] <SanchoPensa> what in debian uses this daemon for what purposes?
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• 1927[21:42:50] <greycat> Various programs need random numbers when they start up, like sshd.
• 1928[21:43:30] <greycat> It's the kernel's job to provide these numbers, and the kernel will try to use the CPU's hardware RNG if one is available; otherwise, it has to try to find bits of entropy somewhere else.
• 1929[21:44:37] <greycat> The haveged program will look for entropy and use it to fill up the kernel's pool, making the kernel's job easier, and therefore reducing or eliminating the start-up delay of programs on systems with no hardware RNG.
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• 1935[21:47:50] <GNU\colossus> it's mostly useful on virtual machines (where the hypervisor doesn't have a good entropy source available), and architectures where the same problem presents - like the raspberry pi.
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• 1938[21:50:41] <SanchoPensa> i see, thank you both, GNU\colossus, greycat
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• 1952[22:10:25] <jhutchins> I've had problems trying to generate keys on headless servers because there wasn't enough entropy.
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• 1957[22:16:40] <greycat> !entropy starvation
• 1958[22:16:50] <greycat> !listkeys entropy
• 1959[22:16:51] <dpkg> Factoid search of 'entropy' by key (3): entropy ;; buster entropy ;; _default entropy.
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• 1961[22:16:57] <greycat> !buster entropy
• 1962[22:16:57] <dpkg> In Buster, stricter random number initialization can slow down booting on some computer models. See buster release notes replaced-url
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• 1974[22:28:39] <oxek> Is debootstick a decent program? Or should I avoid it?
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• 2012[23:15:39] <nvz> never heard of it
• 2013[23:15:44] <nvz> dpkg, debootstick
• 2014[23:15:44] <dpkg> nvz: i don't know
• 2015[23:15:51] <nvz> ,i debootstick
• 2016[23:15:52] <judd> Package debootstick (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: Turn a chroot environment into a bootable image. Version: 2.4; Size: 30.0k; Installed: 126k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 2017[23:16:08] <nvz> ah.. so its like bootcd but modernized :P
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• 2022[23:21:37] <oxek> I guess
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• 2024[23:22:02] <oxek> it claims to make creating a bootcd simpler from a debootstrapped installation
• 2025[23:22:20] <oxek> but I don't know if it inserts advertisements or anything like that
• 2026[23:22:36] <n4dir> what ?
• 2027[23:22:42] <greycat> *sigh*
• 2028[23:22:56] <n4dir> when you think you have seen it all ....
• 2029[23:27:00] <oxek> ubuntu has been going down that path already
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• 2033[23:28:42] <n4dir> as far i have seen debootstrap is a script (or a couple of). So is refracta-snapshot. Back in the days folks at the forum were busy making bootable images all day long, with a couple of commands. The script refracta-snapshot simply automates those commands.
• 2034[23:29:02] <n4dir> short version: you could simply look at the debootstrap commands and do it the manual way.
• 2035[23:29:13] <n4dir> debootstick, sorry.
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• 2048[23:38:37] <ryouma> what would debootstick actually do?
• 2049[23:39:20] <ryouma> so you basically install debian while running linux, then you ... do extra stuff?
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• 2053[23:41:11] <n4dir> it seems to make a bootable live-CD, in that case from a chroot
• 2054[23:42:07] <n4dir> should be similar commands to how you do it when doing it with your already running system
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• 2057[23:42:50] <n4dir> live-builder or live-helper or however it is called now could do it for a while too, but it was removed as an option
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• 2063[23:46:22] <jhutchins> !live
• 2064[23:46:22] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system (although the installer is better to use). Live images are available from replaced-url
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• 2068[23:50:28] <n4dir> thanks, jhutchins
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• 2071[23:52:21] <dashs> Built a USB Netinst boot stick -- if you fdisk it, what does it generally look like.
• 2072[23:52:50] <dvs> !tias
• 2073[23:52:50] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
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• 2076[23:54:02] <horribleprogram> W: Skipping acquire of configured file 'non-free/source/Sources' as repository 'replaced-url
• 2077[23:54:08] <karlpinc> dashs: Might want to build with the unoffical installer image which includes non-free firmware. Makes it easy, assuming you'll accept non-free firmware to make your hardware work.
• 2078[23:54:11] <horribleprogram> I did apt-get --purge remove opera-stable
• 2079[23:54:13] <dashs> Am seeing 2 partitions. One labled 'Empty' the correct size and a second 'EFI' partition.
• 2080[23:55:00] <karlpinc> !tell dashs about firmware images
• 2081[23:55:26] <dashs> karlpinc -- where and what is the unofficial installer?
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• 2083[23:56:16] <karlpinc> dashs: You should have gotten a private message from the bot.
• 2084[23:56:20] <karlpinc> !firmware images
• 2085[23:56:20] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
• 2086[23:56:47] <karlpinc> dashs: It's unoffical because offically Debian never promotes non-free software.
• 2087[23:56:57] <dashs> Ahh,.
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