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28 [00:32:14] <jasonsmr> hello debian channel
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30 [00:32:26] <jasonsmr> anyone know about package openthreads?
31 [00:33:17] <jasonsmr> looks like it installs lib fine, but a package that I am compiling is looking for actual include directory for files and its not finding them
32 [00:33:35] <jasonsmr> package im compileing is osgcal
33 [00:33:35] <sney> ,i openthreads
34 [00:33:37] <judd> No package named 'openthreads' was found in buster/amd64.
35 [00:33:47] <sney> gonna have to be more specific, bud.
36 [00:34:34] <dvs> ,v libopenthreads-dev
37 [00:34:35] <judd> Package: libopenthreads-dev on amd64 -- jessie: 3.2.1-6; stretch: 3.2.3+dfsg1-2+b4; buster: 3.2.3+dfsg1-3; bullseye: 3.6.5+dfsg1-4+b1; sid: 3.6.5+dfsg1-4+b1
38 [00:35:14] <jasonsmr> yes that package sorry it has a libopenthreads
39 [00:35:27] <jasonsmr> and libopenthreads-dev
40 [00:36:20] <jasonsmr> there used to be a osgcal package in edge but not buster
41 [00:37:09] <dvs> jasonsmr, the header files are in the /usr/include/OpenThreads directories
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44 [00:39:52] <jasonsmr> okey I see them
45 [00:40:20] <jasonsmr> so should it look like this?
46 [00:40:23] <jasonsmr> OPEN_THREADS_INCLUDE_DIR:PATH=/usr/include/OpenThreads
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48 [00:41:02] <jasonsmr> or just /usr/include , BTW nether seems to find it maybe I should clean it and start over?
49 [00:42:20] <dvs> jasonsmr, it depends how it's specified in the source files
50 [00:42:47] <dvs> in the #include statements
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52 [00:44:34] <jasonsmr> im on a step #1 cmake . right now
53 [00:45:08] <jasonsmr> apparently I can edit the CMakeCache.txt and edit paths
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55 [00:45:40] <jasonsmr> at least that what it says at the top in the CMakeCache.txt header
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68 [01:00:11] <jasonsmr> could it be that the version of OpenThreads is too new to be found correctly by osgcal I wonder
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197 [03:29:11] <xlirate> What is the Chanel and server for sid help? I remember that it isn't here
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199 [03:29:55] <nvz> xlirate: irc.debian.org ( irc.oftc.net ) #debian-next
200 [03:30:52] <xlirate> Thankyou. My networking died, I am stuck on a cellphone. Is there a webchat link that I can use?
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203 [03:32:27] <nvz> hmm..
204 [03:32:45] <Unit193> irc.oftc.net will verify with TLS, irc.debian.org won't.
205 [03:33:02] <nvz> xlirate: oftc.net seems to have such a thing I guess
206 [03:33:41] <nvz> xlirate: when I went to the website it has a box for a nickname, channel, and a chat button.. so I'd assume there is a built in client on the site
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257 [04:59:22] <jak2000> hi all
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259 [05:00:37] <jak2000> if i do: tar -czvf /home/jak/ftp/fie.tar.gz * i get this error: -bash: /bin/tar: Argument list too long then how to do something: tar -czvf /home/jak/ftp/fie.tar.gz A-L* files tat start with A or B o C .. L ?
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261 [05:02:34] <somiaj> jak2000: why not just tar the directory you are in, so instead of *, just use ./
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264 [05:04:48] <jak2000> testing
265 [05:05:02] <dvs> !test
266 [05:05:02] <dpkg> Test failed.
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273 [05:15:53] <jak2000> done
274 [05:15:55] <jak2000> thanks
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286 [05:30:56] <un214> How do I set my default browser to /usr/local/bin/firefox so that when I click on a link in another GUI program it uses that as the browser?
287 [05:31:11] <un214> Default browser is currently set to something nonsensical
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294 [05:37:34] <oerheks> bing + debian set standard browser gives replaced-url
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376 [08:17:39] <afidegnum> i want to update the hardware clock but this command doesn't correct the current time: ntpdate uk.pool.ntp.org whats the correct command?
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378 [08:20:57] <nickotheus> afidegnum, UTC is not local time ;)
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380 [08:21:29] <nickotheus> afidegnum, you'll need to either fix it in your BIOS or your OS to use one or the other local or UTC
381 [08:22:03] <afidegnum> well, the system is already on, i want to fix the time from the OS and update to the hardware
382 [08:22:03] <beardy> !hwclock
383 [08:22:04] <dpkg> [hwclock] a tool used to set your hardware clock. it's packaged. in package util-linux
384 [08:22:56] <beardy> afidegnum: You want the option --systohc, check the manual.
385 [08:23:40] <afidegnum> hwclock --systohc didn't update the time, how do i set the time first before updating?
386 [08:24:37] <beardy> afidegnum: With ntpdate, like you tried, if you picked a working server it will update your system time.
387 [08:24:54] <afidegnum> ok, can you please suggest a working serve ?
388 [08:24:58] <afidegnum> server
389 [08:26:07] <afidegnum> this did not update, ntpdate uk.pool.ntp.org
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392 [08:27:48] <beardy> afidegnum: That's odd, it should. Did you run it as root?
393 [08:28:06] <afidegnum> yes
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396 [08:29:43] <nickotheus> !!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEBIAN !!! Cheers
397 [08:29:57] <nickotheus> oh wait the time is tomorrow ...
398 [08:30:00] <nickotheus> sorry about that
399 [08:30:48] <beardy> afidegnum: Install an ntp daemon instead. Is your clock way off?
400 [08:30:53] <beardy> !ntp
401 [08:30:53] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, ntp is The Network Time Protocol (NTP) is used to synchronize the clocks of computer systems over a network. "aptitude install ntp" is enough to get going and synchronise your clock using the default ntp pool. replaced-url
402 [08:31:12] <afidegnum> yes, way off
403 [08:31:38] <beardy> ntpdate usually handles it, IIRC, but perhaps set your time roughly with 'date --set' first.
404 [08:31:42] <nickotheus> afidegnum, by 5 hours?
405 [08:32:04] <afidegnum> no, by 5 mins, and i have SSL issue with ti
406 [08:32:05] <afidegnum> it
407 [08:32:27] <nickotheus> ah, nvm then
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409 [08:32:56] <beardy> afidegnum: But, try just pool.ntp.org instead of uk?
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413 [08:34:14] <afidegnum> i wish i could ignore but ok, i think something is popping up, sudo ntpq -p returns connection refused
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415 [08:34:19] <afidegnum> what port do i need to activate ?
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417 [08:34:52] <beardy> You firewall localhost?
418 [08:35:03] <afidegnum> no i didn't
419 [08:35:51] <mad_monk> On debian 10 buster - i wish to install linux-headers-4.19.0-5-amd64 , however I see only linux-headers-4.19.0-10-amd64
420 [08:36:26] <mad_monk> However, if i explore replaced-url
421 [08:36:37] <mad_monk> How can i install linux-headers-4.19.0-5-amd64?
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424 [08:37:55] <jelly> dpkg, tell mad_monk about snapshot
425 [08:38:03] <beardy> afidegnum: ntp 123/udp # Network Time Protocol
426 [08:38:39] <jelly> ,kernels
427 [08:38:40] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.7.0-rc5-686 (5.7~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 5.7.0-2-686-pae (5.7.10-1); bullseye: 5.7.0-2-686-pae (5.7.10-1); buster-backports: 5.7.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.7.10-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-10-686 (4.19.132-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.10-686-pae (4.19.132-1~deb9u2); jessie-backports:
428 [08:38:41] <judd> 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1)
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433 [08:39:14] <beardy> afidegnum: That is if you are blocking outgoing? "Connection refused" sounds odd though.
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435 [08:39:54] <afidegnum> it's strange i'm having that. i haven't had my firewall active
436 [08:40:52] <afidegnum> beardy: what else do you suggest apart from using ntp to set the time ?
437 [08:40:57] <afidegnum> setting the time manually
438 [08:41:58] <beardy> afidegnum: That, yes, setting it manually, and setting your RTC.
439 [08:42:22] <afidegnum> what's the command?
440 [08:42:25] <beardy> afidegnum: 'date --set' like I said above.
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443 [08:46:35] <afidegnum> sudo date +%T -s "06:45:00" and sudo hwclock --systohc didn't fix the time, this is strange,
444 [08:46:57] <afidegnum> i'm reluctant of shutting down the system and fix from the bios
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541 [10:59:56] <mirrorbird> is there a way to get the estimated space requirements needed to install a package (including its dependencies)? for example, i just ran apt install golang, and it said, "will use 333[ish]MB". i would like to compile a comparison of some related packages+dependencies to see how much space they all require
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549 [11:03:32] <oxek> Which package will download the linux kernel? linux-image-amd64? and what is the equivalent package for x86?
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557 [11:09:27] <mebus> linux-image-i686 ?
558 [11:09:38] <fireba11> oxek: there are several meta packages for the kernel ...
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560 [11:10:10] <oxek> mebus: replaced-url
561 [11:10:18] <oxek> no results
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566 [11:10:48] <oxek> fireba11: I'm looking for the typical metapackage that debian pulls in.
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575 [11:11:12] <mebus> oxek: then I don't know
576 [11:11:39] <mebus> maybe you cannot install it on a amd64 system by default
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578 [11:12:37] <oxek> mebus: the package search is set for all architectures
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582 [11:14:22] <oxek> I think I found it. Is it possibly linux-image-686 ?
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590 [11:17:41] <fireba11> sounds about right
591 [11:17:55] <fireba11> haven't used anything except amd64 for years ;-)
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593 [11:18:24] <oxek> same here. That's why I thought it would be i386 or i686 or something like that, not just 686
594 [11:18:28] <EdePopede> ,v linux-image-amd64
595 [11:18:29] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u7; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u11; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u4~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u5; buster-backports: 5.7.10-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.7.10-1; sid: 5.7.10-1
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599 [11:18:46] <EdePopede> afaik i686 is a voice from the past, no more intel vs amd these days
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602 [11:19:10] <oxek> I thought the 'i' was for 'instruction'
603 [11:19:18] <EdePopede> `apt-cache search linux-image` is a good starter
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606 [11:19:40] <oxek> yeah, I ended up using the commandline for searching, instead of the web interface
607 [11:19:41] <EdePopede> no, the i ALWAYS is apple ;)
608 [11:19:53] <oxek> apple?
609 [11:20:09] <EdePopede> iMac et.al.
610 [11:20:12] <oxek> oh, that apple
611 [11:20:17] <EdePopede> iSpy :)
612 [11:20:37] <oxek> iSpy is an actual product, not from apple though
613 [11:20:41] <oxek> I'm using it
614 [11:20:49] <EdePopede> iSpy with my little eye... don't forget to cover the built-in lens :P
615 [11:20:56] <EdePopede> oops
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618 [11:21:39] <EdePopede> "i spy with my little eye something that starts with a B." – Baldrick
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635 [11:38:37] <oxek> I was wrong, the proper package I was looking for is linux-image-686-pae not linux-image-686
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792 [14:37:55] <torchinz> hello guys. I am on Debian Buster and am trying to install the driver for graphics card. The issue is, I have an Intel Graphics Card and a GeForce 950m. I could not figure out the method online
793 [14:38:44] <torchinz> the sysinfo is showing Graphics Card as Intel HD 530
794 [14:38:48] <torchinz> only
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796 [14:42:28] <diogenes_> torchinz, run: lspci -k | grep -i --color -A 2 'vga\|3d\|2d' | nc termbin.com 9999
797 [14:42:31] <diogenes_> share the url.
798 [14:42:40] <torchinz> ok, wait
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800 [14:43:11] <diogenes_> torchinz, this one is better: lspci -k | grep -i --color -A 3 'vga\|3d\|2d' | nc termbin.com 9999
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804 [14:44:00] <torchinz> tried it with the last one: replaced-url
805 [14:44:48] <diogenes_> torchinz, it's nvidia optimus so what guide have you followed?
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807 [14:45:31] <torchinz> I was reading the one here: replaced-url
808 [14:46:04] <diogenes_> torchinz, this is the one for optimus cards (intel+nvidia): replaced-url
809 [14:46:54] <torchinz> Question diogenes_ the first line in the guide says that it will use Nvidia for rendering and will display using the Intel driver.
810 [14:47:12] <torchinz> My nVidia card has a 4GB memory, how would Bumblebee use it?
811 [14:47:42] <torchinz> Because the Intel HD 530 will be having 128/256 MB only
812 [14:48:36] <diogenes_> torchinz, so far, on Debian, optimus cards are being used as follows: intel as the main card for all the main stuff, nvidia only used for heavy graphics demanding applications like games.
813 [14:48:51] <torchinz> and the switch is automatic?
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815 [14:49:30] <diogenes_> automatic switch is very experimental and only in driver versions 440+ and only on some bleeding aege Distros.
816 [14:49:33] <torchinz> can I configure application to use nvidia? For example, can I force Virtualbox to use the nvidia GPU and not intel, on debian?
817 [14:50:07] <diogenes_> torchinz, you can for eny application to use nvidia by simply running it with optirun, e.g: optirun steam
818 [14:50:17] <diogenes_> any*
819 [14:50:18] <torchinz> ah!
820 [14:50:41] <torchinz> Let me try to install bumblebee-nvidia primus and will get back
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822 [14:51:23] <diogenes_> torchinz, you can even create applications shurcuts with Exec=optirun appname and whenever you lounch them, they open with dedicated graphics.
823 [14:51:44] <diogenes_> i'd suggest you firs uninstall and purge your current nvidia installation and only then proceed with bumblebee.
824 [14:51:49] <diogenes_> first*
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826 [14:52:08] <torchinz> diogenes_, I have encountered a step where I have been stuck before the "nvidia-installer --uninstall?
827 [14:52:23] <torchinz> a couple of days ago, i was here regarding the same
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829 [14:52:39] <diogenes_> something like: sudo apt purge nvidia*
830 [14:52:48] <torchinz> okay
831 [14:53:51] <torchinz> I ran it, it came back :(
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833 [14:54:07] <diogenes_> what came back?
834 [14:54:11] <torchinz> the terminal screen said that there was an nvidia folder that was not empty
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836 [14:54:19] <torchinz> and hence, the purge option did not remove it
837 [14:54:40] <diogenes_> no problem with that, but the main packages were removed?
838 [14:54:48] <diogenes_> apt list --installed | grep -i nvidia
839 [14:55:08] <torchinz> I re-ran the purge option, nothing showed up. However, as soon as I ran "sudo apt-get install bumblebee-nvidia primus", the nvidia-installer uninstall?" window came back
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841 [14:55:32] <diogenes_> then run nvidia-installer uninstall
842 [14:56:26] <diogenes_> i haven't dealed with nvidia in quite some time because i use the default nouveau driver with nvidia optimus and it works quite nicely for my use case.
843 [14:57:23] <torchinz> I got this message that I have dreaded before
844 [14:57:26] <torchinz> "If you plan to no longer use the NVIDIA driver, you should make sure that no X screens are configured to use the NVIDIA X driver in your X configuration
845 [14:57:27] <torchinz> file. If you used nvidia-xconfig to configure X, it may have created a backup of your original configuration. Would you like to run `nvidia-xconfig
846 [14:57:27] <torchinz> --restore-original-backup` to attempt restoration of the original X configuration file?
847 [14:57:27] <torchinz> [default: (N)o]:"
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850 [14:57:53] <torchinz> sorry diogenes_ got kicked
851 [14:58:08] <diogenes_> !tell torchinz about pastebin
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853 [14:59:25] <torchinz> sorry: replaced-url
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855 [15:00:09] <torchinz> I have encountered this before and literally nothing happens when I hit N, or No, or Y, or Yes.
856 [15:00:49] <diogenes_> torchinz, apt list --installed | grep -i nvidia | nc termbin.com 9999
857 [15:00:51] <diogenes_> share the url.
858 [15:01:28] <torchinz> replaced-url
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860 [15:02:06] <torchinz> FYI: sudo apt-get autoremove removes it and as soon as I start the bumblebee installation, this weird thing pops up again
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862 [15:02:18] <diogenes_> sudo apt purge nvidia-installer-cleanup
863 [15:02:26] <diogenes_> sudo apt autoremove
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866 [15:02:58] <diogenes_> then run: ls /etc/X11 | nc termbin.com 9999
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869 [15:03:59] <torchinz> damn, now I am stuck at this: replaced-url
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872 [15:04:40] <torchinz> diogenes_, should I reboot?
873 [15:04:44] <diogenes_> torchinz, because most likely you've got either synaptic opened or in another terminal some commands still run.
874 [15:05:29] <torchinz> diogenes_, I closed the previous terminal (where I was getting the nvidia-installer message) as the Yes/No thing didn't work
875 [15:05:48] <diogenes_> now try again the command.
876 [15:06:36] <torchinz> same error. as you said, it seems stuck. should I reboot?
877 [15:07:00] <diogenes_> torchinz, before you reboot, run: ls /etc/X11 | nc termbin.com 9999
878 [15:07:12] <diogenes_> let's see if there isn't any leftover configs.
879 [15:07:50] <torchinz> replaced-url
880 [15:09:06] <diogenes_> torchinz, looks good but for any enevtuality, be ready and prepared that you might get a black screen after you reboot and if you don't know how to troubleshoot, you might end up reinstalling the system, so keep and installation USB drive nearby.
881 [15:09:25] <torchinz> oh
882 [15:09:37] <torchinz> should I reboot now?
883 [15:09:42] <diogenes_> yes
884 [15:09:55] <torchinz> okay. brb (hopefully!)
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888 [15:14:07] <torchinz> hey diogenes_ , i am back. no black screen so far
889 [15:14:33] <diogenes_> torchinz, that's great, now try the command again.
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891 [15:17:05] <torchinz> replaced-url
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893 [15:18:08] <diogenes_> torchinz, ls /usr/lib/nvidia | nc termbin.com 9999
894 [15:18:48] <torchinz> replaced-url
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896 [15:19:21] <diogenes_> torchinz, sudo mv /usr/lib/nvidia ~/Documents
897 [15:19:48] <torchinz> done
898 [15:19:57] <diogenes_> and to make sure all is well, run: lspci -k | grep -i --color -A 3 'vga\|3d\|2d' | nc termbin.com 9999
899 [15:20:28] <torchinz> replaced-url
900 [15:22:04] <diogenes_> nvidia modules are still there, that's weird but ok, try the bumblebee guide and we'll see if that works.
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903 [15:22:47] <diogenes_> i've got to go now so maybe someone could assist you further on, if not then come again in a few hours, good luck.
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905 [15:23:28] <torchinz> thanks for the help so far, dionysus69
906 [15:23:36] <torchinz> diogenes_, thanks
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909 [15:30:46] <shtrb> what does "Bad_Blk_Ct_Erl/Lat' mean in smart report ?
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929 [15:47:56] <davis> hello, I have a debian box which I do not run ssh agent in my .bashrc. It caches my git ssh key. I have another debian box which runs the same OS version but its a new install. It does not. Before I add the ssh key agent to the new box, any idea how my old box does this automatically?
930 [15:48:29] <davis> on the new box, it will pop up an xwindow dialog askig me to confirm my passphrase if that helps.
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933 [15:48:45] <bauen1> davis: perhaps systemds or x11 startup is launching ssh-agent
934 [15:48:51] <bauen1> *systemds --user instance
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939 [15:50:40] <davis> bauen1: I have an entry in ps list which shows ssh-agent with param gnome-session. Is it builtin to gnome?
940 [15:51:28] <bauen1> davis: maybe it was "autostarted" by your desktop environment
941 [15:52:31] <davis> bauen1: that must explain it. the old box runs gnome and the new box is just a barebones non x windows box.
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946 [15:59:12] <FlorianBd> On a Raspberry Pi when trying to connect to a remote ssh server I get `Unable to negotiate with X.X.X.X port XX: no matching cipher found. Their offer: aes256-cbc,arcfour` but my `ssh -Q cipher` shows that aes256-cbc is in the list
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951 [16:02:19] <shtrb> FlorianBd, you need to explicitly select them (or enable in hosts)
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954 [16:03:34] <FlorianBd> ah, on server side it shows: `fatal: Unable to negotiate with X.X.X.X port XXX: no matching cipher found. Their offer: chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,aes128-gcm@openssh.com,aes256-gcm@openssh.com`
955 [16:03:45] <FlorianBd> meaning that my client didn't offer it?
956 [16:04:02] <FlorianBd> shtrb: but how?
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960 [16:05:13] <FlorianBd> ah.... -c option
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965 [16:06:48] <shtrb> FlorianBd, either set a config value (hostname IP\n\tKexAlgorithms +... (your list)\n\tCiphers aes256-cbc,arcfour\n) or via -c and -o
966 [16:07:44] <shtrb> FlorianBd, it's also really bad config , you should upgrade your keys
967 [16:10:07] <FlorianBd> shtrb: aes256 is bad?
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978 [16:17:07] <bauen1> FlorianBd: shtrb: mozilla has a guide on securing ssh replaced-url
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981 [16:18:13] <jelly> FlorianBd, those ciphersets are rather outdated so recent openssh does not use them by default. Is the remote system or the OS running on it 10+ years old?
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987 [16:19:25] <jelly> Their offer: aes256-cbc,arcfour # I mean these. Old.
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994 [16:24:04] <shtrb> jelly, RC4 let that sink in
995 [16:24:16] <shtrb> Sorry , for FlorianBd
996 [16:25:35] <jelly> shtrb, yes. I know. Which is why I wrote what I wrote.
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998 [16:27:17] <jelly> might be a piece of network eq. or old BMC
999 [16:27:39] <shtrb> Yeh , I missed the person , I know it is possible hence I said he migt add it in config
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1001 [16:28:19] <jelly> arcfour might be abandoned but sha256-cbc code is perhaps still there
1002 [16:29:08] <FlorianBd> thanks bauen1, jelly :)
1003 [16:29:21] <FlorianBd> shtrb: rc4 is on purpose, there's a reason for it ;)
1004 [16:29:47] <jelly> ISTR arcfour and blowfish used to be useful when there was lots of data to be trasferred
1005 [16:30:21] <shtrb> FlorianBd, honypot ?
1006 [16:30:42] <FlorianBd> jelly: and also no CPU modules to take care of the encryption
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1010 [16:32:36] <FlorianBd> If VLC in Raspberry Pi OS doesn't have JACK audio output, do I have to compile it manually or there's another way?
1011 [16:32:40] <jelly> this was around Pentium III and P4
1012 [16:32:54] <jelly> so late 1990s, early 2000s
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1014 [16:33:32] <jelly> FlorianBd, if you're using Raspberry Pi OS you'll have to ask in their channel; we only know how actual Debian works and derivative distros change things
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1019 [16:33:57] <FlorianBd> hmm, what's the channel?
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1021 [16:34:21] <shtrb> Unless he is running debian on rpi 4
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1023 [16:34:37] <jelly> there's a #raspberrypi and a #raspbian ... I have no idea whether Raspberry Pi OS is a successor of Raspbian
1024 [16:34:49] <FlorianBd> ok thanks!
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1029 [16:38:14] <EdePopede> i've seen someone mentioning the name change recently, seems to be so
1030 [16:38:44] <jelly> #raspbian topic says fuck all about it
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1032 [16:38:58] <jelly> er, "nothing", it says nothing
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1036 [16:42:48] <shtrb> It would be so much more fun if there would be a new debian arch for rpis
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1038 [16:43:21] <jelly> !raspberry pi os
1039 [16:43:21] <dpkg> Raspberry Pi OS (previously called Raspbian) is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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1041 [16:43:49] <shtrb> jelly, I'm asking for offical arch like we have for amd64
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1044 [16:45:06] <jelly> fun for whom
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1046 [16:45:33] <themill> "what's the point" would be a reasonable question too
1047 [16:47:20] <shtrb> so I could 100% trust that everything had passed under the watchfull eyes of DDs
1048 [16:47:35] <themill> you can already run debian on the rpi
1049 [16:47:49] <shtrb> only 4:-(
1050 [16:47:52] <shtrb> and not officially
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1052 [16:48:51] * shtrb just realized his B+ is probably from 2015/6 :D , stuff works for ages )
1053 [16:48:55] <themill> the rpi2 works fine with Debian armhf
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1057 [16:52:49] <petn-randall> IIRC some of it does, but not completely.
1058 [16:53:08] <petn-randall> Or did that change in the last year?
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1060 [16:54:03] <themill> firmware blob is required to boot
1061 [16:54:11] <jelly> ignoring hardware and driver and looking just at the insn set, 4 ought to work with arm64, 3 ought to work with armhf, no idea about 2
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1086 [17:21:31] <jelly> .rt jellese 2
1087 [17:21:37] <jelly> oops, ECHAN
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1122 [17:51:02] <halt> Are there any "IF This Then That" application for Debian ? A generic aggregator, which I can define things like, if connected to WiFi A then connect VPN B, if Power pluged in and lid closed then run backupscript, or something I just thought of if DND set ( Gnome3 ) then turn off plugin A, B and C. I'm aware of things like ifup.d and etc but was hoping for a more generic solution, as for example the DND set, is something I have not found yet an option for
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1134 [17:58:47] <sponix2ipfw> halt: think they just call that Python
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1137 [18:00:58] <nevivurn> halt: yeah, the usual way to do this is to glue togther whatever components you want with bash/python/etc. scripts. There is far too much variability for a single generic solution to exist.
1138 [18:01:12] <shtrb> halt, there are many if-up scripts and even network-manager configs for that
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1140 [18:01:53] * shtrb is going to hell because of if-up
1141 [18:02:59] <halt> I see, yeah that's what I do now ( I mean python and etc random script ) , but no my use-cases getting more complex so I need a message bus where all the event goes, like hooks and log message match etc, then something to dispatch the commands, it seams so easy and fundamental that it feels wrong that it doesn't exist, so for example now I wanted to hook up to the event of DND is set, but I see no hook no log no event yet
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1143 [18:03:51] <shtrb> halt, c.f. dbus but you have already dispatching locations
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1146 [18:04:34] <shtrb> halt, etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher
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1148 [18:05:48] <shtrb> and replaced-url
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1150 [18:07:39] <halt> Yeah network I pretty much solved it all, my current task in hand is to make the Gnome3 DND setting actually useful, so turn of some of the extensions which would give me still notifications and maybe even block out some stuff in the hosts file to make sure that I do zone out and don't waist mytime on fun sites
1151 [18:08:22] <shtrb> halt , replaced-url
1152 [18:08:49] <halt> That's what I use yes, that's still just the event but the trigger is missing
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1174 [18:23:44] <Boodie> Hi everybody: I have been plagued from the day before yesterday with broken package dependencies in Aptitude (only) ... it happened after I tried to install cifs-utils
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1180 [18:27:16] <jelly> !bat
1181 [18:27:16] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1182 [18:27:19] <jelly> Boodie, ^
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1188 [18:32:00] <Boodie> output of apt-cache policy cifs-utils: replaced-url
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1191 [18:33:15] <torchinz> I tried running virtualbox with optirun...got this error: replaced-url
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1193 [18:33:52] <Boodie> output of apt-cache-policy: replaced-url
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1210 [18:43:32] <oxek> which on-screen virtual keyboard in available in debian repos?
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1215 [18:49:56] <nkuttler> oxek: there is xvkbd
1216 [18:52:01] <oxek> nkuttler: it's hard to find any reviews of this very niche topic. Is that keyboard any good? Or do I simply try them all out and see?
1217 [18:52:27] <oxek> is it easy to break debian by installing lots of packages and then uninstalling them?
1218 [18:52:39] <nkuttler> oxek: the latter probably. xvkbd is very simple, but it's all i've ever used
1219 [18:52:46] <nkuttler> oxek: nah, that should work fine
1220 [18:52:58] <greycat> If removing a package breaks something, report the bug so it can be fixed.
1221 [18:54:20] <oxek> ok, I'll see what happens
1222 [18:54:28] <oxek> I have somewhat recent backups
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1229 [18:58:17] <Boodie> jelly: in order to provide "1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) ", I can say that I used the aptitude visual interface "ncurses?" and I tried to install cifs-utils. That seemed to work. When I tried to use cifs-utils, the command was not recognised. I went back into aptitude and noticed that the dependencies on the package winbind were not satisfied. I tried to install that package (with aptit
1230 [18:58:17] <Boodie> ude) and now I have some 200 broken dependencies
1231 [18:58:27] <n4dir> where again would i put an external application which is no single executable but a folder with the executable itself, vcvRack in this case, and a couple of more files?
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1233 [18:59:00] <greycat> n4dir: wherever the author/maintainer said to put it
1234 [18:59:11] <n4dir> well: he said "somewhere" ...
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1236 [18:59:16] <oxek> Boodie: you've been doing this for 3 days now. Isn't it easier to just reinstall?
1237 [18:59:23] <n4dir> so i will just leave it in /usr/local
1238 [18:59:25] <greycat> Then put it wherever you want. /opt is traditional.
1239 [18:59:49] <n4dir> ok, thanks for the confirmation
1240 [19:00:07] <Boodie> oxec: the whole system?
1241 [19:00:30] <oxek> Boodie: yeah. You can't currently even upgrade the system anyway, due to all the broken dependencies, so it is a broken system.
1242 [19:00:50] <oxek> either restore from backups, or start fresh
1243 [19:01:05] <Boodie> My goodness ...
1244 [19:01:30] <n4dir> installing takes half an hour, compared to repairing for 3 days that seems very comfortable. But that is me
1245 [19:01:51] <oxek> I wouldn't normally recommend this, but it is 3 days now you've been dealing with one problem. At some point it becomes a waste of time to try to fix it.
1246 [19:02:03] <Boodie> ok, what is the process, then?
1247 [19:02:20] <Boodie> I mean to reinstall
1248 [19:02:24] <oxek> Boodie: step 1) Make a backup of absolutely everything
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1250 [19:02:37] <oxek> on external media, on another pc, etc.
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1252 [19:02:46] <Boodie> my god ...
1253 [19:03:18] <oxek> remember hidden files, config files, take screenshots of important settings, etc.
1254 [19:03:31] <oxek> step 2) Install debian :)
1255 [19:03:37] <Boodie> I can't believe it
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1258 [19:04:02] <greycat> What can't you believe?
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1260 [19:04:19] <Boodie> that i have to reinstall
1261 [19:04:49] <greycat> You could provide the information you were asked for, instead of a laundry list of excuses as to why you couldn't even provide the version of Debian you are using.
1262 [19:05:08] <Boodie> [buster]
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1264 [19:05:14] <greycat> But since you failed to provide even a SINGLE piece of information beyond "I'm using a GUI instead of commands", how are we supposed to help you?
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1266 [19:05:31] <SanchoPensa> hey guys!
1267 [19:05:53] <SanchoPensa> is it only me, or does whois return no what so ever usable info as of late?
1268 [19:06:09] <greycat> Have you considered NOT using that GUI that is obviously not helping you in any way? Did you try the BASICS like "apt-get -f install"?
1269 [19:06:22] <nevivurn> SanchoPensa: it works for me, what do you mean by that?
1270 [19:06:48] <SanchoPensa> nevivurn: I mean, that it does not return any what so ever usable info anymore as of late.
1271 [19:06:50] <MacDada> hi, i'm not sure if this is a right channel, but the problem is about Debian Stretch. I'm having trouble updating sources list on a Debian as Vagrant machine hosted by OSX. How do I fix "Failed to fetch" error? wget on the links works (both at host and guest machines): replaced-url
1272 [19:06:53] <Boodie> I don't know how to provide the information you are asking. I am sorry. Probably Debian is beyond my capabilities ...
1273 [19:07:14] <oxek> !bat
1274 [19:07:14] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1275 [19:07:16] <oxek> Boodie: read that
1276 [19:07:19] <nevivurn> SanchoPensa: what do you mean yb "usable info"? The stuff it outputs hasn't changed last I checked.
1277 [19:08:29] <oxek> SanchoPensa: most domains are using whois hiding providers now
1278 [19:08:51] <SanchoPensa> nevivurn: well, it definitely has, since I last checked. Registrar, registrant, no info, IF you are lucky an IP address, and IF you are lucky some name-servers. But certainly no OWNER, no tech-c address, no nothing.
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1281 [19:09:02] <SanchoPensa> oxek: how is that legal?
1282 [19:09:13] <oxek> SanchoPensa: why wouldn't it be legal?
1283 [19:09:14] <another> most registries are hiding information now due to GDPR et al
1284 [19:09:27] <nevivurn> Ah, is it about that? In that case, there is not much whois (or anyone) can do about that. The registar themselves are hiding that info, and only providing it on request
1285 [19:09:35] <nevivurn> (from LE and such)
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1287 [19:10:02] <SanchoPensa> oxek: because according at least to EU law, a USER must be able to find out, to whom such a page belongs. That's the LAW.
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1289 [19:10:24] <oxek> SanchoPensa: yeah. No law says it has to be through whois though.
1290 [19:10:45] <another> SanchoPensa: which law? i'm not aware of any
1291 [19:11:00] <SanchoPensa> oxek: the law says, there has to be an impressum on the homepage. Which there isn't in the page in question.
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1294 [19:11:35] <nevivurn> SanchoPensa: OK, report it and have them rectify it if you believe you found out how all those registrars and website owners are breaking laws that their legal departments wasn't aware of.
1295 [19:11:43] <SanchoPensa> another: it is EU Law. If you're a user, you MUST be able to find out, who is operating any arbitrary website.
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1297 [19:12:19] <greycat> You realize that most web sites are not operated on computers in the EU, right?
1298 [19:12:22] <another> as said, i'm not aware of any such EU law
1299 [19:12:34] <oxek> SanchoPensa: and the way to do that is you send a lawful request to the domain registrar.
1300 [19:12:40] <SanchoPensa> since when do we have that? I remember using whois for the last time maybe some 1-2 months back?
1301 [19:12:43] <another> if you're talking about germany specifically.... it's more complicated
1302 [19:12:46] <SanchoPensa> WHY do we have that?
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1306 [19:13:30] <another> google iana whois privacy
1307 [19:13:34] <SanchoPensa> another: hehehe. is there ANYTHING, that isn't more complicated in Germany? But nope, I am talking about any arbitrary European site.
1308 [19:13:42] <another> there was a long discussion about it
1309 [19:15:05] <SanchoPensa> another: you woudn't by any means be implying, that the privacy protectors WON that discussion for a change? That's be completely new...
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1313 [19:16:37] <another> i'm not up-to-date on the whole thing. my last info is: something, something GDPR -> whois is mostly private now
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1316 [19:17:49] <oxek> they won not because it is good for privacy, but because it makes their life easier
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1322 [19:22:20] <SanchoPensa> 'That means the service may end up being less valuable to brand owners, lawyers, and cybersecurity researchers who utilize WHOIS to perform tasks, like identifying malicious domains or researching infringement claims, for example.' That would be the understatement of the day...
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1324 [19:22:48] <SanchoPensa> 25 May of 2018. That's more than 2 years. Why the heck did nobody tell me yet? :D
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1327 [19:23:15] <SanchoPensa> oxek: how so?
1328 [19:23:30] <chakpapa> Is there a way to globally prevent services from being autoenabled when they are installed in Debian? Kind of like replicating the behavior in Arch
1329 [19:23:38] <greycat> No.
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1331 [19:24:03] <chakpapa> Ok
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1335 [19:24:58] <SanchoPensa> chakpapa: you can use tools like stacer, tho, to turn them off pretty easily per mouseclick in a decent overview
1336 [19:25:35] <chakpapa> SanchoPensa, thanks for the suggestion. Will try it
1337 [19:25:46] <SanchoPensa> another: I am currently reading up on that GDPR thang, pretty interesting, as I find!
1338 [19:25:53] <SanchoPensa> chakpapa: my pleasure!
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1342 [19:30:18] <shtrb> SanchoPensa, and it's not even just the EU, some providers even outside will hide that iformation no matter if you are an EU citizen or not (for no fee what so ever).
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1344 [19:31:33] <SanchoPensa> shtrb: which is obvious for the reason, that the registrars reside within the EU, therefore of course DO have to comply.
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1346 [19:33:20] <SanchoPensa> shtrb: other than that, those registrars would also have to comply with EU law, if they are NOT within the EU. That is, either if the registrant, OR the plaintiff are a EU located entity. You see, facebook, f.ex., also has to comply to EU law.
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1357 [19:35:24] <shtrb> SanchoPensa, I'm talking about registers outside of the EU
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1359 [19:35:59] <shtrb> a US citizen , registering with a US register may get his whois hidden
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1368 [19:40:36] <SanchoPensa> shtrb: because it is WAY to complicated, to differenciate, where that registrant is really located. How would you find out, except with a full-sized user-verification? Europeans may register US domains too, you know? Fex., when you plan to expand your enterprise to the US without having a branch there yet.
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1370 [19:41:10] <shtrb> Privacy at whois had existed prior to GDPR
1371 [19:41:29] <shtrb> *Privacy shield
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1375 [19:47:38] <shtrb> Anyone here with android with kdeconnect and can say if it is possible to make a call over kdeconnect (pc to android ) ?
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1392 [20:03:12] <SanchoPensa> oxek, another, nevivurn, greycat, shtrb: thank you for your assistance and you perspective, ladies and gentlemen, as always very much appreciated!
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1401 [20:09:38] <oxek> chakpapa: you can mask the service before installing it
1402 [20:09:39] <beelzebuzz> oxek: did you find the options for the pulseaudio plugin btw?
1403 [20:09:51] <beelzebuzz> xfce thing
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1405 [20:10:14] <oxek> beelzebuzz: did not see any replies to my question
1406 [20:10:37] <beelzebuzz> right click the plugin. there is a switch for player control
1407 [20:10:58] <oxek> oh wow, that was simple, thanks
1408 [20:11:08] <oxek> I can just mark vlc as hidden
1409 [20:11:10] <beelzebuzz> sure
1410 [20:11:32] <xlirate> I am trying to get an old laptop running buster. I just finished a net install where I asked for lxde. After boot, I am given a blank screen and can ctrl+alt+f2 into a working shell. What steps to I take to get from where I am to a working graphical computer?
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1412 [20:12:24] <oxek> beelzebuzz: I didn't even know these options existed. They are not accessible from the main xfce control panel.
1413 [20:12:56] <beelzebuzz> you would have to go to panel > items > gizmo's properties
1414 [20:13:13] <oxek> yeah, that's not easy to discover
1415 [20:13:28] <oxek> now I know, thanks again
1416 [20:13:51] <beelzebuzz> not all of the panel plugins have options so some people don't assume that right clicking will show other options
1417 [20:13:57] <beelzebuzz> :)
1418 [20:14:18] <oxek> that was exactly my case, none of the other panel plugins had any options do I did not assume this one would
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1420 [20:14:30] <beelzebuzz> cinnamon is kind of non-intuituve like that as well
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1422 [20:14:39] <frotz47> xlirate: what is the laptop?
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1425 [20:16:06] <xlirate> An old hp, from the early windows 8 days. The model number has rubbed off. Neofetch says I have an AMD E-300 apu and ~4gm of ram
1426 [20:16:31] <xlirate> HP 200 or something
1427 [20:16:36] <xlirate> 2000*
1428 [20:16:41] <oxek> one day I'll learn how to use i3 and configure it to do what I want. Until then I am stuck with xfce (which is light-ish, but not consistent in behavior), lxde (which is dead), lxqt (which is not finished), gnome (which tries to do everything and thus takes so many resources)
1429 [20:17:05] <xlirate> lxde is dead?
1430 [20:17:12] <oxek> yeah
1431 [20:17:20] <beelzebuzz> oxek: cinnamon and mate too
1432 [20:17:21] <oxek> no more development, all resources moved to lxqt
1433 [20:17:44] <oxek> beelzebuzz: I'm not familiar with those two
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1435 [20:17:54] <beelzebuzz> gnome 2 spinoffs
1436 [20:18:18] <oxek> I don't really care about the DEs, most of the time I just want them to stay away and not interfere with what I'm actually doing.
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1439 [20:18:37] <EdePopede> xlirate, inxi may be also of interest, gives some more info.
1440 [20:19:04] <xlirate> Something of note, my home dir is empty
1441 [20:19:27] <xlirate> only dot files
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1443 [20:19:37] <frotz47> xlirate: try enabling non-free in apt sources, install firmware-linux, and reboot
1444 [20:20:29] <beelzebuzz> lxde just up and decided to merge with razorqt to keep lxqt going didn't they?
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1446 [20:22:10] <oxek> xlirate: do you want it to be empty?
1447 [20:22:43] <frotz47> first there was LXDE-Qt and then the merge with razor-qt to become LXQt
1448 [20:22:43] <xlirate> CPU: Dual Core AMD E-300 APU with Radeon HD Graphics (-MCP-) speed/min/max: 781/780/1300 MHz Kernam 4.19.0-10-amd64 x86_64 Up: 15m Mem 183.3/3539.1 MiB (5.2%) Storage 298.09 GiB (1.3% used) Procs: 85 Shell: bash 5.0.3 inix: 3.0.32
1449 [20:23:10] <beelzebuzz> frotz47: i see
1450 [20:23:27] <frotz47> xlirate: home dir will populate when LXDE is first run
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1452 [20:23:57] <dvs> xlirate, you definately need firmware-amd-graphics package.
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1454 [20:24:08] <xlirate> The firmware seemed to do it
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1456 [20:24:27] <xlirate> Thank you for the help
1457 [20:24:40] <dvs> np
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1462 [20:32:05] <oxek> ok, I just learned there are lots of possibly useful xfce panel items
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1466 [20:33:37] <beelzebuzz> :)
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1478 [20:39:43] <TimMc> Are there any significant energy efficiency differences between stable and testing right now? Perhaps specific to laptops.
1479 [20:41:05] <TimMc> (I'm trying to help my wife decide whether to upgrade Ubuntu or jump to Debian, and if she goes to Debian she really wants to be sure she gets some of the perf improvements that the Ubuntu 18.04 LTS got... we just don't know what those are.)
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1483 [20:41:51] <nvz> sounds symptomatic of sns syndrome to me
1484 [20:44:06] <mason> TimMc: You'd have to look at kernel change logs and see if anything's noted as improved in the various kernel versions you're considering.
1485 [20:44:19] <greycat> or TIAS
1486 [20:45:07] <greycat> (or ask the testing channel) (and also remember that you can install a *-backports kernel)
1487 [20:45:37] <TimMc> But it's most likely to be a kernel thing?
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1494 [20:49:54] <mason> TimMc: Yes.
1495 [20:50:26] <srged> booting up my debian lxde and the wallpaper didn;t load, plus all the icons lost their old alignment. whats up
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1498 [20:52:52] <xlirate> How do I make/let network-manager manage my ethernet? I switched from wicd to nm to maintain parody between my buster box and my sid box
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1501 [20:53:31] <TimMc> mason: Thanks, that really helps narrow it down! I didn't even know where to start. :-)
1502 [20:53:46] <mason> TimMc: I doubt you'll see a ton of differences.
1503 [20:53:56] <TimMc> Between versions?
1504 [20:54:05] <mason> Between different vaguely modern kernels.
1505 [20:55:13] <mason> TimMc: If your goal is carbon footprint, Windows does a better job than anything Linux can put up. So knowing that you've got a mix of priorities, I'd go with whatever you most want to run.
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1509 [20:56:52] <TimMc> More about not wanting the laptop to overheat and shut down. :-/
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1512 [20:58:11] <mason> TimMc: If that's a risk, make sure you clean out all the dust, thoroughly.
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1518 [21:04:36] <xlirate> I tried to replace wicd with network-manager-gnome, and I lost my ability to connect to the internet. This is the same laptop as above
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1520 [21:05:45] <srged> booting up my debian lxde and the wallpaper didn;t load, plus all the icons lost their old alignment. what coukld it be
1521 [21:05:48] <srged> ?
1522 [21:05:54] <greycat> xlirate: so, change it back
1523 [21:07:20] <xlirate> Apt install fails because I don't have internet :/
1524 [21:07:52] <greycat> Sneakernet it. apt-get --print-uris install ....
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1527 [21:10:40] <mason> xlirate: Or, set up the network by hand. Good time to learn!
1528 [21:11:32] <xlirate> How to I connect to the internet over ethernet manually?
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1530 [21:11:42] <xlirate> What do I man/google for?
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1532 [21:11:48] <mason> xlirate: Oh, that's easy. Was getting ready to help you configuse wpa_supplicant.
1533 [21:11:56] <mason> xlirate: ip a to see your ip address
1534 [21:12:15] <greycat> Ethernet is usually simple if your network has a DHCP server. Just configure /etc/network/interfaces to run dhcp on your eth interface.
1535 [21:12:29] <mason> then: dhclient eth0 (or whatever your NIC ends up being if it's not eth0 - enp458xmystic290 or whatever)
1536 [21:12:32] <greycat> Then ifup interfacename
1537 [21:12:45] <mason> too complex! bare dhclient!
1538 [21:12:51] <greycat> mason's way is more ephemeral
1539 [21:12:57] <xlirate> enp2s0
1540 [21:12:58] <mason> Definitely. Nothing to undo later.
1541 [21:13:07] <xlirate> I am fine with ephemetal
1542 [21:13:08] <mason> dhclient enp2s0
1543 [21:13:17] <mason> ephemetalthunder
1544 [21:14:03] <xlirate> RTNETLINK answer: File exists
1545 [21:14:09] <mason> xlirate: The fun bit is that setting up wifi and wpa isn't all that much more difficult - man wpa_passphrase as an initial pointer
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1549 [21:15:17] <mason> hrm, the interwebs say.... sudo ip addr flush enp2s0
1550 [21:15:42] <srged> why did my wallpaper doesnt load up anymore ?
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1552 [21:16:14] <xlirate> It is back up. That flush did it
1553 [21:16:17] <xlirate> Thank you
1554 [21:16:45] <xlirate> For how short lived this laptop will be (1 project then into the shredder) I can live with only having ethernet
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1556 [21:17:28] <mason> xlirate: Give it away! Lots and lots and lots of kids behind the eightball with remote learning because their families can't afford gear. It can live a good life as a teaching tool.
1557 [21:17:54] <xlirate> I plan to, but the hdd and the linux install go in the shreder
1558 [21:17:57] <mason> That's fine.
1559 [21:18:26] <mason> Well. Or just find a way you trust to wipe the drive. Difficult, certainly.
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1561 [21:18:39] <xlirate> I have other drives on my shelf to replace it with
1562 [21:18:47] <mason> carbon footprint!
1563 [21:18:49] <xlirate> This is a government contract, they have rules
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1566 [21:19:05] <xlirate> The other drives were reclaimed from dead computers
1567 [21:19:16] <mason> kk, that's some karmic balance then.
1568 [21:19:26] <mason> anyway, I'm drifting off-topic. Sorry.
1569 [21:20:30] <TimMc> mason: Haha yes, blowing out the dust can do wonders. This is for a new (refurbished) machine, though.
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1580 [21:30:08] <xlirate> What are the rules about language/expletives in this channel? Colti's quit message is probably nsfw
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1582 [21:30:57] <sney> afaik it's never been a big enough problem for there to be a serious rule
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1584 [21:31:03] <sney> just keep it to a minimum
1585 [21:31:07] <xlirate> ok
1586 [21:31:10] <greycat> colti's love of barnyard fowl is one of the least offensive things you're likely to see on IRC
1587 [21:31:53] <nkuttler> can confirm, source: been around a while
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1590 [21:34:48] <xlirate> My thoughts on that mater were that the most prolific members moved off to other tools and only us nerds are left on IRC, but I may be mistaken. I have not been in this game all that long
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1595 [21:40:00] <sney> it's kind of true but irc is hard to kill. it's had a little bit of a resurgence in covid times and there aren't many platforms that could truly replace it. most of the contenders need to make money to survive and therefore won't
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1598 [21:43:14] <nkuttler> i haven't seen a contender that can scale well beyond smallish teams tbh
1599 [21:44:55] <sney> yeah that's another problem. irc has so little overhead that here we are in a room with >1000 people and you wouldn't even know it. on slack all of our systems would be chugging even with this low percent of active users
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1623 [22:13:24] <genr8_> Happy 27th Birthday!
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1625 [22:13:48] <dvs> it's not my birthday! Oh, debian, nvm
1626 [22:14:33] <dvs> oh, it should be approaching the linux kernel's 29th birthday soon.
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1634 [22:22:18] <mason> Almost time for Carousel.
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1640 [22:26:27] <alexusono> or making a run for it
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1643 [22:27:28] <xlirate> The same chances as anyone else
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1659 [22:45:25] <danielboston26> hi /ns RESETPASS danielboston26 markdymek@gmail.com
1660 [22:45:31] <danielboston26> whoops
1661 [22:45:44] <danielboston26> no one saw that!
1662 [22:46:44] <danielboston26> i am trying to add debian unstable to my repo however i cannot update apt after doing so it wants the public key for unstable i try to add them but i get a timeout error
1663 [22:47:01] <danielboston26> how do i add unstable to debian stable?
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1665 [22:47:34] <greycat> !don't break debian
1666 [22:47:34] <dpkg> somebody said dont break debian was replaced-url
1667 [22:47:52] <greycat> Do *not* mix stable and unstable binary repositories.
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1669 [22:49:34] <SerajewelKS> there's like one or two cases in which it's okay but only with suitable pinning and a clear understanding of how to do what you're doing. (for example, that is how you get wireguard on oldstable.)
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1671 [22:51:29] <danielboston26> i am doing pinning but i get your point
1672 [22:51:37] <greycat> *plonk*
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1675 [22:52:36] <SerajewelKS> well the point is don't do it. if your question is "how do i add unstable to debian stable" then it's unlikely that you are in a situation where you need to do this.
1676 [22:52:44] <SerajewelKS> if you were you would be asking a more specific and different question
1677 [22:52:55] <SerajewelKS> !xy problem
1678 [22:52:56] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
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1681 [22:54:16] <danielboston26> well i wanted to use the non esr vesion of firefox
1682 [22:55:31] <SerajewelKS> trying to get that from unstable is probably going to upgrade half of your system. i would suspect it will try to pull in a newer libc.
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1684 [22:55:44] <SerajewelKS> use the release binaries from mozilla if you really want to do that. see replaced-url
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1688 [22:57:38] <sponix2ipfw> danielboston26: does the current branch of Firefox really have advantages?
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1691 [23:05:29] <oxek> which package do I need to get ZFS support in debian? I have non-free and contrib enabled.
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1694 [23:08:08] <sney> oxek: zfs-dkms
1695 [23:08:46] <oxek> and that will pull in everything else?
1696 [23:08:54] <sney> yes
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1698 [23:09:02] <karlpinc> oxek: You might want to see: replaced-url
1699 [23:09:03] <sney> make sure you have your kernel headers as well.
1700 [23:09:05] <oxek> thanks
1701 [23:09:26] <karlpinc> oxek: (I don't know why, but it recommends pulling in zfs from backports.)
1702 [23:09:40] <oxek> (this is not for a root installation, this is just to access some ZFS drives)
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1705 [23:11:48] <oxek> can someone explain this line in the output of 'apt show zfsutils-linux': "Breaks: zfs-dkms (>> 0.7.12-2+deb10u2), zfs-dkms (<< 0.7.12-2+deb10u2)"
1706 [23:11:56] <oxek> how does the >> << work?
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1713 [23:17:15] <sney> they are pretty much greater/less than operators
1714 [23:17:16] <sney> !policy
1715 [23:17:16] <dpkg> policy is the document that defines how Debian packages should (and must!) interact with each other and with the user to make sure we have a high-quality, stable distribution. You can find it at replaced-url
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1722 [23:21:12] <oxek> but how can it be both less than and greater than the same version?
1723 [23:21:49] <oxek> oh, I think I get it, it means the version has to be exactly 0.7.12-2+deb10u2
1724 [23:21:52] <sney> it works with that version only and any other will conflict, yes
1725 [23:22:19] <oxek> thank you again for explaining
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