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0[00:01:04] <jasonsmr> strange install fails says somethings wrong with DVD 1 on debian 10.5.0 install
1[00:01:14] <Boodie> tomreyn: still 191 broken dependencies in aptitude ... which I'm not sure whether the problem is aptitude itself
2[00:01:21] <jasonsmr> md5 & sha1 pass
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6[00:04:13] <Boodie> tomreyn: replaced-url
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14[00:18:33] <tomreyn> Boodie: sorry, i son't do aptitude
15[00:18:37] <tomreyn> *don't
16[00:19:11] <tomreyn> if apt-get -f install doesn't show problems then i don't think there are any
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19[00:24:23] <oxek> On debian, is package priority 'required' equivalent to 'essential'?
20[00:24:37] <oxek> or are there packages which are 'required' but not 'essential'?
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31[00:37:46] <phogg> oxek: easiest way to find out is to ask aptitude: aptitude search '?and(?essential, ?priority(required))'
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33[00:39:01] <phogg> oxek: or rather aptitude search '?and(?priority(required), ?not(?essential))' for "required but not essential
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36[00:44:34] <oxek> trying it now
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50[00:53:36] <oxek> where is aptitude search documented?
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53[00:56:00] <jmcnaught> oxek: replaced-url
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66[01:16:21] <oxek> all essential packages are required, some required packages are not essential.
67[01:16:45] <oxek> (and I finally learned how to search with aptitude, thanks jmcnaught)
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74[01:27:35] <phogg> oxek: aptitude is a swiss army knife of useful functionality. You might want to take a quick look at dpkg-query, too. Between them that covers most of your package information retrieval wants.
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76[01:33:54] <oxek> for some reason I thought aptitude was obsoleted by apt
77[01:34:02] <oxek> I was wrong
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85[01:46:12] <phogg> oxek: I don't think apt was intended to replace aptitude or apt-get, just to be a friendlier alternative for interactive use by mere mortals.
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89[01:48:46] <beelzebuzz> they're all just frontends
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91[01:49:35] <beelzebuzz> aptitude def has some steroids going on tho. lots of features and the gui part can get pretty intense
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93[01:51:16] <phogg> even after a couple decades of Debian I am intimidated by the aptitude TUI
94[01:53:17] <beelzebuzz> yeah it's no slouch
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269[06:06:55] <torchinz> hey guys, I am stuck at the nvidia driver installation, specifically at this: replaced-url
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272[06:08:49] <klys> torchinz, opena new terminal and run top, to see if something is working on it
273[06:09:43] <torchinz> sorry klys, sorry but what do you mean by "run top"?
274[06:09:50] <klys> $ top
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276[06:11:01] <torchinz> Ran it. I can see a bunch of processes. What should I look out for?
277[06:11:08] <klys> gcc
278[06:11:47] <klys> and high cpu percentages
279[06:12:55] <torchinz> Not seeing gcc or high CPU usage
280[06:13:33] <klys> perhaps $ pstree | less; will help to visualize where dpkg is sitting
281[06:13:51] <torchinz> let me try
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283[06:15:05] <torchinz> nothing there. at least nothing having "nvidia"
284[06:15:21] <klys> you're looking for children of "dpkg."
285[06:15:37] <torchinz> sorry. I found out this "-gnome-terminal--+-bash---sudo---dpkg---frontend---nvidia-installe---nvidia-installe"
286[06:16:25] <klys> $ sudo killall -CONT nvidia-installer
287[06:16:29] <klys> see if that helps
288[06:17:21] <klys> (if you don't have it, killall is in the psmis package.)
289[06:17:25] <torchinz> Got this msg: nvidia-installer no process found
290[06:17:36] <klys> pscmisc*
291[06:17:40] <klys> psmisc*
292[06:18:28] <klys> how about $ ps waux | grep nvidia-
293[06:18:57] <klys> it seems there were two of those, just not sure what specifically they are called.
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295[06:20:18] <klys> if you run $ ps waux | less; the pid is the leftmost number
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297[06:21:14] <torchinz> there are two processes being run at root (1. /bin/sh /var/lib/dpkg/info/nvidia-installer-cleanup.postinst configure 2. nvidia-installer --uninstall --no-runlevel-check --no-x-check --ui=none)
298[06:21:41] <klys> it seems the second process is the one we want the pid for
299[06:21:44] <torchinz> And one process run by the my account "grep nvidia-"
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302[06:22:17] <torchinz> One more process at root: /usr/bin/perl -w /usr/share/debconf/frontend /var/lib/dpkg/info/nvidia-installer-cleanup.postinst configure
303[06:23:07] <klys> the one we want to signal should have the patest pid number.
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305[06:23:14] <klys> latest*
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307[06:23:35] <torchinz> 5090 - grep nvidia-
308[06:24:02] <klys> grep isn't still running and so pid 5090 won't still exist
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310[06:24:41] <klys> you'll need the one before grep
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312[06:24:51] <torchinz> Oh okay. Then that would be 4365 nvidia-installer --uninstall --no-runlevel-check --no-x-check --ui=none
313[06:25:06] <klys> # kill -CONT 4365
314[06:26:46] <torchinz> I ran that
315[06:26:55] <klys> is it still hung
316[06:27:07] <torchinz> and ran ps waux | grep nvidia - still shows 4365 process running
317[06:27:12] <torchinz> yes, still hung
318[06:27:21] <klys> you could try pressing return over there some more
319[06:28:03] <torchinz> should I try killing other processes from ps waux | grep nvidia -?
320[06:28:19] <klys> oh I was just trying to prod it
321[06:28:34] <klys> you can try -CONT on the others, sure
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324[06:29:04] <torchinz> no change :(
325[06:29:15] <klys> may have to kill it then -TERM
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327[06:29:44] <jmaher> i have this ancient mod python cgi file form.py - is there some of just running it from the command line without having to get apache up and running again?
328[06:31:00] <klys> jmaher, that would be a #python question
329[06:31:01] <torchinz> My problem is in two parts: I was trying to install the default nvidia driver on my buster (closing x and installed from there). Once done, I restarted the PC and tried to check if Nvidia control panel worked, which didn't.
330[06:31:21] <torchinz> I tried to run synaptic for "nvidia-driver" which started this current issue.
331[06:31:39] <torchinz> I had force closed it and rebooted, yet it didn't work.
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333[06:32:11] <torchinz> Now, I cannot run synaptic without dpkg --configure -a, which again starts the nvidia process (that we are trying to solve).
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370[07:19:43] <nvz> !bat
371[07:19:43] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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378[07:38:38] <mirrorbird> i upgraded(?) to debian testing, and now apt can't find packages
379[07:38:41] <mirrorbird> all sorts of packages
380[07:39:01] <mirrorbird> can i go back to debian buster using the same method i used to switch to testing?
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382[07:41:58] <jmaher> mirrorbird: short answer, not easily - check your apt sources, maybe you're missing something...
383[07:42:44] <mirrorbird> :/
384[07:42:55] <mirrorbird> apt install libgpg-error (package notfound), also happened with some others
385[07:43:13] <mirrorbird> sigh. so i wasted 3 hours breaking my system and finally getting it (i hope) working, and no i have to spend many hours reinstalling debian 10 from scratch again
386[07:43:56] <mirrorbird> when i changed to testing i lost so many packages, e.g. network-manager, and had no internet connection. why would it remove that and not add back the latest version?
387[07:44:11] <jmaher> mirrorbird: what does apt-cache search libgpg-error say?
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389[07:44:56] <jmaher> mirrorbird: testing isn't guaranteed to work - that's why it's called testing...
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391[07:45:54] <nvz> ,v libgpg-error
392[07:45:55] <judd> No package named 'libgpg-error' was found in amd64.
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394[07:46:35] <nvz> which means it doesn't exist in any branch
395[07:47:01] <themill> mirrorbird: real commands and real output in a pastebin and solving the problem is probably a better option
396[07:47:02] <jmaher> mirrorbird: are you looking for libgpg-error0
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398[07:48:16] <mirrorbird> meh
399[07:48:47] <mirrorbird> libgpg-error-dev worked, at least. how can i update the info that comes when i type "apt install someTAB"?
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401[07:48:52] <mirrorbird> i think that is the problem, it's outdated
402[07:49:31] <themill> that info comes from apt; if you've only just upgraded from buster to bullseye, it's not outdated
403[07:49:53] <mirrorbird> well i tried to install a few different programs, which were visible when i tabbed, but which were not found
404[07:50:08] <themill> mirrorbird: real commands and real output in a pastebin and solving the problem is probably a better option
405[07:50:50] <themill> "a few different programs" is sufficiently vague that no-one can provide you with any assistance
406[07:50:58] <mirrorbird> 1 moment
407[07:51:34] <mirrorbird> paste debian service unavailable
408[07:52:34] <mirrorbird> replaced-url
409[07:53:21] <mirrorbird> replaced-url
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411[07:56:34] <jmaher> mirrorbird: I find replaced-url
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414[07:58:41] <themill> mirrorbird: what does "apt show -a network-manager-applet" say?
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429[08:25:46] <mirrorbird> themill: replaced-url
430[08:26:51] <mirrorbird> jmaher: that is odd indeed
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445[08:56:49] <CryptoSiD> I'm trying to enable Selinux on debian and it's a pain! I'm getting "Failed to determine Selinux label: Function not implemented
446[08:56:52] <CryptoSiD> and the system won't boot
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448[08:57:26] <CryptoSiD> anyone know how to enable Selinux on debian buster?!
449[08:59:34] <bauen1> CryptoSiD: you might want to ask in #selinux on freenode, generally it should boil down to installing selinux-policy-default
450[08:59:52] <bauen1> and running `selinux-activate`
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452[09:00:26] <bauen1> if it won't boot, edit the cmdline in grub and append `enforcing=0` or `security=none`
453[09:01:32] <CryptoSiD> yep I was missing the selinux-policy-default. All good now :)
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459[09:09:58] <Mokshamint20> Hello. I need help with Debian install CDs.. What is the difference between 'debian-10.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso (349 MB)' and 'debian-10.5.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso (641 mb)'? Will I be able to install XFCE offline from the second ISO?
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464[09:15:34] <SpeedyG> jup, thats the general idea
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466[09:17:45] <Mokshamint20> But I tried the XFCE iso and was unable to install xfce offline. It just installed the debian base like the neinst ISO and I landed in tty screen on reboot..
467[09:18:42] <Mokshamint20> What extra step do I need to install XFCE offline from that ISO? I google so much but couldn't find out how. :(
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477[09:35:13] <bauen1> Mokshamint20: do you have internet connectivity ?
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484[09:38:38] <Mokshamint20> bauen1 Only mobile data. Net install is nigh impossible on my connection.
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489[09:41:02] <bauen1> Mokshamint20: that's a bit complicated, you could use e.g. `tasksel` or `apt-get install task-xfce` to install xfce but that would usually pull it over your network
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492[09:41:49] <bauen1> i'm pretty sure it is possible to use the package repository on the xfce install cd
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495[09:42:20] <Mokshamint20> :( Network is my problem.. But.. I have another question.. Why is the ISO named xfce if it'll pull from internet like netinst?
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499[09:43:46] <bauen1> it shouldn't
500[09:44:30] <Mokshamint20> bauen1 Can you please tell me how to install xfce offline from that CD then?
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502[09:44:45] <Mokshamint20> I am unable to figure it out.
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505[09:45:18] <bauen1> i've never done this, but if you look at /etc/apt/sources.list there should be a commented line containing the name of your cdrom
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508[09:47:28] <Mokshamint20> I am unable to find the etc directory on the install CD!
509[09:48:36] <bauen1> i'm sorry i was talking about the installed system
510[09:48:43] <bauen1> are you trying to reinstall using the xfce cd ?
511[09:49:31] <Mokshamint20> Yes. I would like to start from scratch and install XFCE along with the base system, but offline.. I am using debian-10.5.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso (641 mb).
512[09:50:24] <bauen1> are you using the graphical user interface or the text user interface ?
513[09:50:51] <Mokshamint20> bauen1 Graphical
514[09:51:14] <Mokshamint20> After the base is installed, it asks for repo. Then exits.. cuz I am offline
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516[09:53:22] <bauen1> Does it ever prompt you to select "tasks" ? (Desktop Environment, Webserver, SSH Server) ?
517[09:53:49] <Mokshamint20> Nope. Ideally it should, after it connects to a repo.. But..:(
518[09:54:07] <Mokshamint20> If I connect for a brief time to let it connect to repo and then disconnect?
519[09:54:19] <bauen1> That could worj
520[09:54:20] <bauen1> *work
521[09:54:48] <bauen1> but it might fetch a few mb worth of information
522[09:55:02] <shtrb> How do I properly select with jq all objects with a property and still have a json valid output ? I tries "cat messages.json |jq '.conversations[].MessageList[] | select (.conversationid=="8:live:username") " to get all conversation from the skype export with 8:live:username but I {content}{content} instead of [{content},{content}]
523[09:55:29] <bauen1> the other way might be to let it install, and then try to figure out how to access the additional packages on the cd from the installed system
524[09:56:23] <bauen1> Mokshamint20: replaced-url
525[09:56:43] <bauen1> have you tried to "not select" a mirror / repository ?
526[09:57:16] <Mokshamint20> Yes. Nothing happened..
527[09:57:34] <bauen1> actually i'm reading the docs as you need to select a mirror, but the installer will use local packages if available and fall back to network
528[09:58:51] <Mokshamint20> Does that mean, selecting XFCE in installer offerings will download only the packages absent from the ISO?
529[09:59:02] <bauen1> now if only speed of the mobile connection is a problem, then that behaviour is fine, but if data limits are a problem this is a bit tricky
530[09:59:06] <bauen1> it appears so
531[09:59:25] <bauen1> and newer versions (e.g. security updates)
532[09:59:25] <shtrb> Mokshamint20, only if the installer and the mirror have the same version 10.5 vs 10.5
533[10:00:49] <Mokshamint20> I think mirror should be 10.5 too. :)
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535[10:02:11] <shtrb> I don't know if you had been already adivesed , but you can download a DVD (first disk) to install all what you expect to see, and after you finish just to use mobile network to install the missing parts
536[10:02:25] <Mokshamint20> bauen1 What if I ignore the debian installer which by default grabs everything like browser and related packages and use the shell to install minimal XFCE?
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539[10:02:44] <Mokshamint20> Will this behavior be replicated in that scenario too?
540[10:03:19] <bauen1> Mokshamint20: if you only configure the cd repository and disabel every other repository it will only load packages from the cd (no matter the version)
541[10:03:28] <bauen1> i've never tried it, in theory it should work
542[10:03:51] <shtrb> bauen1, are you suggesting for him to make a CDD ?
543[10:03:55] <bauen1> but if the installer installs packages that are more up to date than are available on the cd you might get into dependency hell
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546[10:04:43] <bauen1> shtrb: no, i think it's possible to install the base system without network, then use the repo on the installer from the installed system to install xfce4 without any network connection
547[10:04:57] <bauen1> but i would suggest / advices you use the simpler way of configuring a mirror
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549[10:06:29] <shtrb> yes , that is possible (I did it many times), it is enough to select NO mirrors and continue with the installing (just rmemeber to get a big enough DVD) , you can even use a CDD with preselected packages that need to be installed (100% no internet access and you manually select what you wish to install)
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555[10:10:28] <Mokshamint20> I am sorry my internet connection is just too bad and it decided to disconnect
556[10:10:49] <Mokshamint20> Please resume.. I was asking how to set it to pull from CD repo
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558[10:11:36] <shtrb> Mokshamint20, I think the easist way for you to do would be to download the DVDs , and not to select any mirror at all during install but just use the DVDs as install media.
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561[10:12:22] <shtrb> It would be 100% offline installation, however after you finish install you would need to add a network mirror (and remove the dvd ones) if you like and do apt-get update
562[10:12:47] <Mokshamint20> Um okay. But the DVD will take half a month to download. :(
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564[10:13:55] <Mokshamint20> Will the live CD work or I need to grab one of those mega 4 GB DVDs?
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566[10:15:28] <Mokshamint20> nvm I checked it. I'll grab the live-cd.. Will take at least 7 days to downlad..
567[10:15:44] <shtrb> Mokshamint20, using the d-i installer would requrie a network mirror , but if you have a prefered DE like xfce you can get directly a cd with that DE packages.
568[10:15:44] <Mokshamint20> Anyways, thanks guys for helping me out.
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571[10:16:02] <mujjingun> bad internet connection feels :(
572[10:16:03] <shtrb> Mokshamint20, don't you guys have a LUG close to you ?
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574[10:16:53] <Mokshamint20> What's a LUG? I googled it and found some copper metal..
575[10:17:05] <shtrb> LUG = Linux User Group
576[10:17:29] <shtrb> A group of Linux geeks who used to help install linux , back in the day it was the thing
577[10:17:38] <Mokshamint20> AFAIK, nobody in the 1000 yard radius knows about Linux..
578[10:17:59] <mujjingun> thats not a lot of yards
579[10:18:14] <Mokshamint20> I am bad at maths. :(
580[10:18:33] <shtrb> 1 km is not that much to get a CD :D
581[10:19:01] <shtrb> Oh feces , never mind , just figured out where you are located, you need a bloody boat there (based on the news)
582[10:19:08] <mujjingun> lol
583[10:19:13] <Mokshamint20> It was.. like.. I meant 100,000 yards should do.. >.<
584[10:19:17] <mujjingun> where do they live
585[10:20:04] <Mokshamint20> mujjingun what?
586[10:20:12] <shtrb> how do you even have working network after that event ? your IT people in town must be very good
587[10:20:15] <mujjingun> where do u live i mean
588[10:20:36] <shtrb> TLD .IN
589[10:20:49] <Mokshamint20> Man.. Those were dark dark days..
590[10:21:04] <mujjingun> indonesia?
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592[10:21:39] <Mokshamint20> A lot of electricians got electrocuted while fixing the mess in my city.
593[10:21:48] <Mokshamint20> mujjingun India
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595[10:21:56] <mujjingun> oh man
596[10:21:59] <mujjingun> that sounds bad
597[10:22:41] <Mokshamint20> We have had 3 cyclones in last three years, one in each.
598[10:23:12] <mujjingun> meanwhile, americans: "climate change is not real"
599[10:23:32] <Mokshamint20> Google Fani, Bulbul, Amphan.. And hudhud, too..
600[10:23:37] <shtrb> common you are down playing it, you have a monsoon season , that most of us would think is apocalyptical rain (for us)
601[10:24:11] <Mokshamint20> =(
602[10:24:21] <mujjingun> we have typhoons here but it never gets that bad
603[10:24:36] <mujjingun> although it has been raining for 1.5 months straights here
604[10:25:51] <Mokshamint20> I mean we had this Amphan cyclone after the covid outbreak. Just imagine what people had to go through..
605[10:26:08] <mujjingun> oof
606[10:26:10] <bauen1> Mokshamint20: if you need to download the files in a form anyway you could also just install the bare system and then use the normal process to download the additional packages for xfce4 (should be around 400mb judging from cd size difference)
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608[10:27:05] <bauen1> if 4gb takes you ~7 days this should only take somewhere between a day and 12h
609[10:27:35] <Mokshamint20> bauen1 Yes. I will. I just remembered that Linux has this awesome feature to remember downloaded packages across reboots. That will do.
610[10:27:36] <bauen1> and if you don't need all the bells and whistles you can probably cut the download size down considerably
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612[10:27:56] <bauen1> iirc the "Desktop Environment" task also pulls down things like vlc
613[10:28:01] <bauen1> and libreoffice
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616[10:29:42] <Mokshamint20> I will use the LO appimage. And I prefer smplayer to VLC. So I need the bare minimum.. I just checked the wiki.. Will apt install xfce4 --no-install-recommends do?
617[10:30:20] <bauen1> yes
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619[10:30:43] <Mokshamint20> Thank you! :)
620[10:30:54] <bauen1> you might want to look into what task-xfce-desktop and task-desktop recommend
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622[10:31:12] <Mokshamint20> I am noting that down too. :)
623[10:31:36] <bauen1> i personally can't recommend appimage, but whatever
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625[10:31:51] <bauen1> if your computer is a laptop task-laptop also hase a few quality of life improvements
626[10:32:05] <Mokshamint20> I am on dektop
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629[10:32:11] <Mokshamint20> But what's wrong with appimage?
630[10:32:46] <bauen1> and you've probably already looked into it, but ublock origin for firefox can bring those 50mb news sites down to a reasonable size
631[10:33:05] <Mokshamint20> YES! That's the best thing to ever exist
632[10:33:14] <Mokshamint20> I set it to 10 KB personally
633[10:33:23] <Mokshamint20> :D
634[10:33:44] <bauen1> Mokshamint20: iirc last time i checked you download an appimage and then run the file and the file you downloaded is responsible for setting up any sandboxing
635[10:34:32] <shtrb> Mokshamint20, I can't test for you but I think replaced-url
636[10:35:10] <bauen1> Marbug: if your threat model says that the vendor of the LO appimage is 100% trusted that isn't an issue
637[10:35:28] <bauen1> sorry for the ping, wrong person
638[10:35:28] <Mokshamint20> shtrb That's the exact ISO I have. And I was inquiring if there's a way to actually xfce offline using that..
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641[10:36:29] <Mokshamint20> bauen1 I download it straight from TDF server.. they host it officially with PGP keys.
642[10:37:21] <Mokshamint20> And I thought firejail is used to sandbox all appimages manually.. None actually ship with any sandboxing..
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645[10:38:49] <Mokshamint20> replaced-url
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647[10:39:17] <bauen1> Mokshamint20: but just download a file and run it don't you ?
648[10:40:23] <bauen1> Mokshamint20: you don't really know if it even sets up a sandbox
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650[10:41:12] <Mokshamint20> I am a lil scared now. I am better off using LO from back-ports. Version 7 should arrive soon.
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652[10:41:52] <Mokshamint20> I am bringing this upon their IRC though
653[10:41:54] <bauen1> Mokshamint20: you probably don't need to be, at least not for LO
654[10:42:51] <Mokshamint20> Okay then. I only use official appimages like Kdenlive and LO etc..
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661[10:47:45] <shtrb> Mokshamint20, your fear is about that cd demaning network correct ?
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664[10:48:13] <Mokshamint20> Yes.
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666[10:48:51] <Mokshamint20> Without network, it never installs any DE, at least not on the graphical installer..
667[10:51:57] <Mokshamint20> I really think there should little more info on the wiki.. About what sets this CD apart from the netinst ISO.
668[10:53:11] <Mokshamint20> shtrb Please proceed.
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670[10:53:41] <Mokshamint20> Did you find a workaround?
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675[10:57:02] <Mokshamint20> Okay I will do it as bauen suggested. Thank you all for the help. Have a nice day.
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735[12:09:57] <padhu> How to add graphic.h in codeblocks
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748[12:23:22] <oxek> why does debootstrap automatically download apt-transport-https package, which is a transitional package that is no longer necessary?
749[12:23:51] <another> compatibility?
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753[12:32:27] <oxek> compatibility with what? Debootstrap does not use apt itself, and packages depend on the suite selected. stable suite has apt that already has the functionality of apt-transport-https
754[12:33:04] <oxek> I'm confused about where debootstrap gets the list of packages to install, and why that list includes apt-transport-https
755[12:33:28] <oxek> s/install/download
756[12:34:58] <Unit193> Check /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/debian-common
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762[12:43:56] <oxek> Unit193: I see, thanks. That answers my question.
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766[12:48:29] <oxek> I think apt-transport-https should be split from debian-common then. But I doubt this change will happen.
767[12:48:48] <oxek> its installed size is 156kB, which is an issue on a minimal system
768[12:52:47] <Unit193> replaced-url
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779[13:06:13] <oxek> I am on debian-stable and my ca-certificates package is version 20190110. I see the repo buster-updates has version 20200601~deb10u1. I have buster-updates in my sources.list. Why do I not get offered an upgrade to the newer version?
780[13:07:19] <oxek> apt policy for buster-updates is the default 500
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785[13:14:51] <oxek> !bat
786[13:14:51] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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791[13:21:40] <oxek> this is the entire output replaced-url
792[13:23:36] <themill> you have some wonky looking pinning there. There should be no need for any pinning with that sources.list
793[13:24:13] <oxek> I haven't setup any pinning as far as I know
794[13:24:23] <themill> Remove either the explicit pinning of stable or buster at 990, or remove the "default-release" config
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797[13:25:11] <oxek> I do have APT::Default-Release "buster";
798[13:25:32] <themill> yeah, there's no need for that, and it's what is causing the problem here
799[13:25:53] <oxek> I need it for doing my own backports of packages though
800[13:26:06] <themill> you shouldn't
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802[13:27:25] <oxek> I do backports by adding the deb-src repo for sid, and then downloading the sources and then 'apt -b source PACKAGE/sid'
803[13:27:51] <oxek> but if I don't have the default release of buster, it downloads sid version of sources when I want stable version of sources
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805[13:28:45] <oxek> and yes, removing APT::Default-Release "buster"; made ca-certificates upgrade appear, thanks
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807[13:29:18] <Unit193> 1. You can pin sid. 2. Can't you use `pull-debian-source` to grab the source instead?
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809[13:30:51] <oxek> so the proper solution to my problem is to add deb-src repo for sid, use pinning to make it lower priority than stable, and get rid of APT::Default-Release "buster"; and never use that option again?
810[13:33:36] <themill> I'm yet to see a situation where using default-release is actually the right thing, tbh.
811[13:34:00] <themill> When it comes to source packages, I'd advise always being explicit about which release you want the source from (-t sid or -t buster)
812[13:34:46] <oxek> I created /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00default-release based on some page on the debian wiki
813[13:35:07] <Unit193> /sid will do that, fwiw. Also allows downgrade when using it in the 'install' target.
814[13:35:27] <oxek> and you're right, I will always explicitly state the target when downloading source packages, that's definitely a smart thing to do
815[13:36:16] <bauen1> oxek: the only page on the wiki refering to a `00default-release` is replaced-url
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817[13:36:49] <oxek> bauen1: I might have added the 00 myself
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819[13:39:05] <bauen1> oxek: is replaced-url
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823[13:41:31] <oxek> bauen1: I did not spot that wiki page, had I known about it I would not have run into this problem
824[13:41:32] <oxek> thank you
825[13:41:39] <oxek> my problem has been conclusively solved
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848[14:00:54] <kassle> hi, i'm building unattended debian using simple-cdd. in the preseed parts, is it possible to keep manual partitioning exist ?
849[14:06:52] <nvz> maybe look into fai
850[14:07:04] <nvz> !fai
851[14:07:04] <dpkg> Fully Automatic Installation (FAI) is an automated tool to install or deploy Debian (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> (Red Hat), autoyast and alice (SuSE) or jumpstart (Oracle Solaris). FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. replaced-url
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857[14:16:47] <kassle> @nvz thanks for the recommendation, but after i take a look at fai.me (their online builder), it seem also use simple-cdd. and the web-ui is way more limited function than using simple-cdd directly (cmiiw)
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874[14:38:16] <oxek> I think I messed up
875[14:38:21] <oxek> how do I reset /etc/ca-certificates.conf to default?
876[14:38:48] <oxek> I tried 'apt --reinstall install ca-certificates' but the file is still a mess
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878[14:39:05] <oxek> I tried deleting the file, and then reinstalling ca-certificates, and the file is still a mess (but looks different than before)
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882[14:45:08] <n_1-c_k> oxek, 'dpkg --purge $pkg && apt-get install $pkg' should set it back to packaged defaults. Hopefully.
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884[14:45:40] <dvs> oxek, it looks like /etc/ca-certificates.conf doesn't belong to any package.
885[14:45:44] <kassle> @oxek, it's mentioned in the ca-certificates.conf header
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887[14:46:09] <kassle> blebleble ... This is autogenerated by dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates. ... blablabla
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892[14:49:19] <oxek> n_1-c_k: can't do dpkg purge on ca-certificates, it is an important package
893[14:50:05] <oxek> and I can't do apt install, because i use https repos (and the certs are now invalid). I could switch to http repos though.
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895[14:50:48] <abrotman> dpkg: confmiss
896[14:50:48] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
897[14:50:49] <oxek> dvs: /etc/ca-certificates.conf is generated by the ca-certificate package. apt-file list ca-certificates would not show this file
898[14:51:12] <abrotman> oxek: or, look at the postinst script, run the same steps
899[14:51:17] <dvs> oxek, then kassle gave you the answer
900[14:51:23] <oxek> kassle: unfortunately the header of the file is also messed up
901[14:51:35] <oxek> I'll try your suggestion though
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912[15:01:25] <oxek> all is good now, thanks
913[15:02:06] <abrotman> If we all used DANE, we wouldn't need that file! :)
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917[15:02:40] <oxek> true, I really like DANE, but it does not look like it will gain greater adoption
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919[15:03:08] <abrotman> it's gaining on the email side (along with MTA-STS) .. but be nice if the browsers would support it
920[15:03:28] <oxek> to me, it makes so much sense that a domain owner would set a DNS record with the cert fingerprint they own, and use that as proof
921[15:03:56] <oxek> btw, how can I see the postinst scripts of packages?
922[15:04:03] <abrotman> in /var/lib/dpkg/info/
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937[15:17:41] <discovered> I have two monitors. But the login screen going to second monitor. Where do i configure it so that i can type user/password in main monitor?
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940[15:18:30] <nkuttler> discovered: which dm?
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946[15:20:11] <discovered> nkuttler, GDM
947[15:20:54] <nkuttler> discovered: do you use gnome? in the gnome session the monitors are aligned properly?
948[15:22:02] <discovered> nkuttler, Yes... Using gnome. And everything working fine except the login screen.
949[15:25:04] <nkuttler> discovered: try replaced-url
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965[15:40:16] <marcodiego> I compiled a lib (using meson/ninja) on my machine (buster derived distro) but was afraid of typing "ninja install" because it could break my system. Someone told me that I could just run "ninja install" and it would be installed on /usr/local/ and not overwrite the lib that was already installed through apt; I think that if I had any problem I could just "ninja uninstall" it and the system would use the previous version normally. I tried "ninja
966[15:40:16] <marcodiego> install" and it worked nicely. Is that practice of user compiled libs living under /usr/local/ a standard? Does that means I can install recent or experimental libs on my system and if something breaks I can just "make uninstall" it?
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969[15:41:39] <bauen1> marcodiego: it's a standard, see the "Linux Filesystem Hierachy Standard"
970[15:41:53] <bauen1> marcodiego: but it's not as simple as `make install` and `make uninstall`
971[15:42:25] <bauen1> marcodiego: both are provided by the Makefile and there is no guarantee they are correct and it could be that uninstall misses files or that the uninstall target just doesn't exist
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973[15:43:18] <marcodiego> bauen1, hmmm... I generally check the presence of "make uninstall" before a make install
974[15:43:58] <marcodiego> bauen1, anyway, considering it is a standard, I think I can hope must commonplace (say gtk) support it correctly, right?
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977[15:46:23] <bauen1> marcodiego: welcome to world of packaging
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979[15:47:02] <bauen1> marcodiego: usually projects respect the fhs and install e.g. their libraries to $(PREFIX)/lib
980[15:47:20] <SanchoPensa> hey guys!
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982[15:47:45] <bauen1> marcodiego: most projects will also support setting DESTDIR and PREFIX to configure where things will be installed
983[15:48:02] <bauen1> marcodiego: but not every project will default to installing to /usr/local so you probably need to set PREFIX
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985[15:49:10] <marcodiego> bauen1, that's also what I was thinking of (generating) a .deb package. But that was nowhere near as easy as typing "ninja install". Of course it could have conflicts, but if it respects fhs, conflicts would not hurt apt-installed libs. Nevertheless, I could also specify a dir under my home dir and add it to my LD_LIBRARY_PATH, right?
986[15:49:22] <SanchoPensa> I was wondering, if you could help me with the following question: I am looking for an organizer, that helps me keep track of my day.
987[15:49:22] <SanchoPensa> It should have a calendar with meetings to schedule, also some daily tasks, a general todo list, that persists beyond the scope of a day, and the real hit would be, if it could handle not only notes, but mind-maps. Any of you happen to know such an app?
988[15:49:42] <bauen1> marcodiego: yes and yes
989[15:49:54] <bauen1> marcodiego: but `make install` does not scale well
990[15:50:04] <SanchoPensa> Oh, and I forgot: I need a sort of diary in addition to put daily reports in writing.
991[15:50:25] <bauen1> marcodiego: and at some point you need to remove some files installed by a project but without having access to the original source code
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993[15:50:46] <marcodiego> bauen1, please elaborate more. You say it eventually will have conflict with new versions of the same package, right?
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996[15:51:51] <bauen1> marcodiego: it probably won't "conflict" with apt installed packages and if you build your own stuff libraries in /usr/local/lib will be preferred
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998[15:54:24] <marcodiego> bauen1, tried linux first time in 1999 and being using linux almost exclusively on my own machines since 2006 and always feared breaking my system with a "make install"... good to finally familiarize myself with this concept. Thanks! Should have know that since the day started compiling my own packages
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1000[15:55:02] <discovered> nkuttler, It did not work for me unfortunately!
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1002[15:56:35] <oxek> the gcc-8-base package appears completely useless, would it be a good candidate for removal?
1003[15:56:47] <oxek> it's installed by default on all debian systems
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1005[15:58:26] <abrotman> oxek: it's probably a metapackage
1006[15:58:36] <abrotman> oxek: are you trying to free up space?
1007[15:58:39] <discovered> The grab is showing in primary monitor
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1011[16:01:13] <oxek> abrotman: it does not appear to be a metapackage. I am trying to eliminate useless packages (end goal is to eventually fit a working debian installation entirely into a CPU cache).
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1013[16:01:52] <bauen1> oxek: what debian version are you using ?
1014[16:02:01] <oxek> bauen1: buster
1015[16:02:16] <bauen1> oxek: did you upgrade from a previous release ?
1016[16:02:22] <oxek> bauen1: no
1017[16:03:51] <bauen1> oxek: it only has priority 'optional' and no direct dependencies (at least on a clean unstable install i believe)
1018[16:03:59] <bauen1> oxek: so i'm not really sure why / where it was installed
1019[16:05:16] <Mokshamint20> Hello. I ended up installing KDE minimal.. Only 300 MB total. @bauen1 :D
1020[16:05:20] <marcodiego> SanchoPensa, maybe "getting things gnome". Never used it but I think that is what you want
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1022[16:05:53] <abrotman> dpkg: tell oxek about deborphan
1023[16:06:35] <Mokshamint20> I have a problem.. My monitor has EDID issues.. I forced my resolution 1366x768 using Xrandr.. But it set it up as 1368x768 instead.. Fonts are blurry. :(
1024[16:07:24] <themill> oxek: there is zero chance of removing gcc-8-base from a buster system
1025[16:07:30] <SanchoPensa> marcodiego: thanks, hombre! *looking into it*
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1027[16:08:06] <marcodiego> SanchoPensa, não por isso
1028[16:08:08] <Mokshamint20> I have set the hinting, anti-aliasing, RGB, and DPI settings perfectly.. But thw weird font issue persists..
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1032[16:12:52] <oxek> themill: what do you mean? I know this change would not happen for buster, but perhaps bullseye.
1033[16:14:33] <themill> machines will likely have have gcc-9-base and gcc-10-base kicking around on them in bullseye
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1042[16:22:43] <oxek> good point
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1045[16:23:03] <oxek> but even those packages don't contain anything of value
1046[16:23:09] <oxek> replaced-url
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1180[18:45:46] <oxek> why is it bad advice to set "alias sudo='sudo '"?
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1182[18:46:32] <Wulf> oxek: why would anyone do that?
1183[18:47:12] <oxek> Wulf: because I have some aliases that I want to use with sudo
1184[18:47:32] <oxek> such as "alias rm='rm -v'"
1185[18:47:49] <oxek> it will not use the aliased version if I do "sudo rm"
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1187[18:49:08] <Wulf> but it will if you don't have the sudo alias?!
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1193[18:57:19] <oxek> if I don't have the sudo alias, then 'sudo rm' will act as 'sudo rm' and not as 'sudo rm -v'
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1195[18:57:58] <oxek> problem is that I was told it is not good to use "alias sudo='sudo '" and I don't understand why it is a bad idea
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1197[18:59:26] <JPT> I feel that you're about to build something that will be very unintuitive to anyone who ever uses your shell.
1198[18:59:46] <JPT> If you type 'sudo rm', then sudo is your command and everything after that is an argument for sudo.
1199[18:59:47] <Boodie> Hi everyone: yesterday I tried to install cifs-utils using Aptitude. The package seems installed on the system, however in Aptitude (and not in Synaptic ...) there are packages with broken dependencies, how can I fix that?
1200[19:00:14] <JPT> Now you're building aliases that rewrite arguments instead of your base command.
1201[19:01:00] <JPT> I understand aliases that enhance a base command such as 'mv' -> 'mv -i' and so on, but i would take a lot of time to understand why 'sudo mv' became 'sudo mv -i'
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1205[19:03:15] <JPT> oxek: Maybe consider creating an alias like 'smv' -> 'sudo mv -i' or something. This way, it is more clear what's going on.
1206[19:03:28] <JPT> Or just proceed and do it. But don't complain when things fall apart. :)
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1220[19:13:22] <momoninja> hi
1221[19:13:40] <momoninja> I am running exim and getting unrouteable address as error message.
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1223[19:14:56] <momoninja> the exim channel said I should come here, since I am using a debian system
1224[19:15:20] <momoninja> exim is configured to deliver mails via smarthost and was configured via debconf
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1226[19:18:20] <Boodie> Hi: this is the list of packages allegedly broken in Aptitude (output of aptitude search '.*' | grep ^.B | nc termbin.com 9999): replaced-url
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1251[19:34:02] <oxek> JPT: I'm probably explaining it wrong. The only alias I am creating is "alias sudo='sudo '" Notice the space at the end.
1252[19:34:23] <oxek> do you have any aliases? If you do, try running them with sudo and you'll see the aliases no longer work.
1253[19:35:02] <JPT> I do not expect my aliases to work when i am not using them. Calling 'sudo' is something different to actually using an alias.
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1255[19:35:28] <JPT> sudo is not a prefix, sudo is a grown-adult command
1256[19:35:32] <JPT> Just like vi or rm
1257[19:36:01] <oxek> ok, I'm just bad at explaining
1258[19:36:26] <JPT> You're creating a workaround so your aliases work even though you're actually using sudo and appending your command which still should get aliased.
1259[19:36:38] <JPT> This may work, but there can be situations, in which this may go wrong.
1260[19:36:58] <oxek> yes - I'm looking for explanation of situations where this goes wrong
1261[19:37:13] <oxek> because I can't think of any
1262[19:37:21] <oxek> but was told that there are some
1263[19:37:35] <JPT> I'm not too familiar with aliases, that's an issue on my end for this discussion. :/
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1266[19:38:21] <JPT> The thing is: I do not know the consequences, but i would not want aliases to unexpectedly change my sudo commands, because if i happen to have an alias that makes deleting folders easier, i don't want to accidentally trigger it with sudo
1267[19:39:00] <JPT> Also, i have no clue when the substitution will stop resolving aliases. Will it touch arguments in position 3+ when i use sudo in that scenario?
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1277[19:42:50] <JPT> oxek: How about this: You could use 'sudo -i' to become root and then either keep your aliases or define the same aliases for root. (Not sure about the exact setup, though) This way, you still get aliases with predictable behaviour and everyone understands what's going on.
1278[19:42:57] <oxek> 'help alias' says "A trailing space in VALUE causes the next word to be checked for alias substitution when the alias is expanded". So I guess it only expands an alias in first position by default, and on 2nd position too if the first alias ends with a space
1279[19:43:34] <JPT> Okay, that clears up the behaviour a bit.
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1281[19:44:31] <oxek> doing 'sudo -i' works, but is annoying when I am already doing something like "COMMAND | sudo tee /etc/..."
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1283[19:44:41] <oxek> plus doing 'sudo -i' loses the logging ability of sudo
1284[19:44:56] <JPT> Ah, okay. Auditing goes out of the window in that case, that's true
1285[19:45:01] <oxek> and in my case, entering a sudo shell would make me more likely to do something I don't want to do
1286[19:45:23] <oxek> I prefer every command that needs to be exectuted as root to be done through sudo
1287[19:45:52] <JPT> That's a sane decision and i support your efforts to keep superuser privileges highly visible and obvious.
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1304[20:02:56] <nickotheus> I love Debian replaced-url
1305[20:03:11] <n4dir> this might or might not be related, but any way it seems like a question for bash or whatever shell someone uses: replaced-url
1306[20:03:15] <n4dir> oxek:
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1313[20:10:00] <oxek> n4dir: a useful site, thank you, and it would be a good addition to that site to cover aliasing of sudo, since I don't see it there
1314[20:10:35] <oxek> nickotheus: there's nothing debian specific about that setup
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1316[20:11:15] <n4dir> i sure got no idea. I don't use sudo. What else comes to my mind is "functions" (which are kinda like always recommended over aliases) and then "history completion " in inputrc, which kinda makes aliases for most used commands superfluos
1317[20:11:26] <oxek> nickotheus: the date/time at the mid-top makes it hard to read stuff
1318[20:11:35] <n4dir> i'd ask some people who are deep down in shell problems.
1319[20:12:31] <oxek> aliases have their uses, for very simple stuff
1320[20:12:37] <nickotheus> oxek, I could set it to auto hide but it's supposed to hide intelligently and this is as debian as you can get on a raspberry pi
1321[20:12:39] <oxek> alias tb='nc termbin.com 9999'
1322[20:13:05] <oxek> alias g='gvim --remote-silent'
1323[20:13:22] <oxek> functions or history searching would not help here
1324[20:13:44] <n4dir> why not? I would type n or nc, hit page up and the command would complete
1325[20:14:22] <oxek> n4dir: what about the case: COMMAND | tb ?
1326[20:14:36] <oxek> you could not autocomplete from history if you're already at that point in the line
1327[20:15:43] <oxek> aptitude search '.*' | grep ^.B | nc termbin.com 9999
1328[20:16:35] <oxek> I guess you'd need to use zsh and use a special plugin to autocomplete per pipe
1329[20:16:49] <n4dir> so if you type "aptitude search '.*' | grep ^.B it bugs you a lot having to type another 15 chars?
1330[20:16:58] <oxek> yes
1331[20:17:03] <n4dir> good.
1332[20:17:24] <oxek> especially because I don't remember the URLs, the port numbers, etc.
1333[20:17:38] <n4dir> and pastebinit sucks?
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1335[20:18:46] <oxek> it's just an example of an alias I use
1336[20:18:52] <oxek> I have many more
1337[20:19:19] <n4dir> i see. and for none of them history alternate page-up works and functions don't work either.
1338[20:19:59] <n4dir> anyway: might wanna ask in the according channels what might be the problem with alias and sudo, if you insist on using it.
1339[20:21:27] <oxek> I am not gonna write a function to make cp be verbose by default, when I can just do alias cp='cp -v'
1340[20:21:43] <oxek> I don't know what 'history alternate page-up' is. Sounds interesting though.
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1342[20:22:54] <n4dir> exactly what i said. You type the beginning of a command from history, then hit page up and it will complete from the commands which started with the same chars in history
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1344[20:23:26] <n4dir> so i for one got no need for aliases.
1345[20:23:35] <jasonsmr> hello debian channel
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1347[20:24:24] <jasonsmr> is NetworkManager only GUI based or can it be used and controlled exclusively from command line?
1348[20:24:33] <n4dir> what i do often is in my history, what i don't do often i got no need for an alias
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1350[20:24:44] <another> nmcli, nmtui
1351[20:24:51] <dvs> jasonsmr, it can be controller from the command line
1352[20:24:53] <jasonsmr> I installed debian 10 server on vm and none of the networking is configured
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1354[20:26:00] <jasonsmr> tried to write manually in /etc/network/interfaces and start manually ifup but it only brings up the interface with default hw ipv6 local none of the ipv4 address infor that I specified
1355[20:26:29] <AfterDarkness> hi question regarding dns and lxc; after starting lxc-net; how can i access guests from their hostname
1356[20:26:42] <jasonsmr> I was installing from dvd so no network yet/
1357[20:27:03] <AfterDarkness> i tried nslookup with server 10.0.3.1, it worked but not sure what the next step
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1362[20:29:05] <oxek> n4dir: doesn't work for me. Probably because I use fzf and vi-mode keybindings.
1363[20:29:25] <dvs> jasonsmr, if your interface is in the interfaces file then NetworkManager won't touch it.
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1365[20:31:00] <jasonsmr> yea its still not bringing up the static specified in the interface thou
1366[20:32:00] <dvs> jasonsmr, are you tring to configure a wireless interface?
1367[20:32:32] <jasonsmr> its in a vm so its names enp0s3
1368[20:33:06] <jasonsmr> its bridging to existing wireless, though I think its concidered ethernet interface in the vm
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1373[20:35:42] <another> something, something wireless can't be easily bridged?
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1376[20:37:31] <jasonsmr> im not sure every other vm seems to have no problem, including the installer for debian it finds and configures it correctly but upon install its a no go?
1377[20:37:45] <jasonsmr> strange right
1378[20:39:01] <dvs> it's strange that the installer could use the NIC but on the first system boot the NIC is not configured properly.
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1382[20:40:59] <another> does the installer write a interfaces file?
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1384[20:41:38] <jasonsmr> looks like it required a restart iface is showing a valid ipv4 now just need to config dns server
1385[20:41:48] <dvs> another, it does. At a minimum it adds the lo interface
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1387[20:44:30] <another> hmm
1388[20:44:44] <another> haven't used the installer in ages
1389[20:45:02] <jasonsmr> configured resolv.conf everything works
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1400[20:59:57] <technobi> Hello All, any plans to add dqlite to debian? replaced-url
1401[21:00:22] <sney> check wnpp
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1403[21:02:19] <technobi> the search is silnet... how could I support adding it / contribute to it? It's developed by canonical High-Availability sqlite. The package is made for ubuntu ... compilation from sources suceeded... but I dunno how to support debian by adding it / submitting the idea etc.
1404[21:02:34] <sney> !wnpp
1405[21:02:34] <dpkg> For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at replaced-url
1406[21:03:22] <sney> #debian is a support channel mostly, and people here aren't in charge of adding packages / generally not developers or maintainers at all. that link will give you better information than we can.
1407[21:03:29] <technobi> Thank You very much
1408[21:03:37] <technobi> Sorry if I asked in the wrong place
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1410[21:03:42] <technobi> Thanks for direction
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1429[21:28:27] <nickotheus> can someone recommend a WYSIWYG html editor that is in the debian repos since Komposer is no more?
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1433[21:40:21] <hitest> Seamonkey come with an html editor. I'm not sure if that's available in the repos.
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1441[21:52:15] <alexrelis[m]> I know this is a support channel, but I just wanted to say happy birthday to Debian--the best operating system of all time.
1442[21:52:30] <sney> birthday?
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1444[21:55:17] <alexrelis[m]> sney: replaced-url
1445[21:55:47] <sney> cool.
1446[21:56:28] <nickotheus> hitest, seamonkey isn't available
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1448[21:58:44] <sney> "wysiwyg html editor" is a relic that I didn't think I would ever see again. there are, at least, regular html editors (really just general coding IDEs) that will launch you a browser to preview the code that you wrote, but I think the Dreamweaver analogs are all dead
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1474[22:16:14] <jhutchins> !seamonkey
1475[22:16:14] <dpkg> SeaMonkey is a cross-platform Internet suite, a continuation of the unmaintained Mozilla Application Suite, based on the same source code. Formerly packaged for Debian as <iceape>. For help with upstream issues, ask #seamonkey on irc.mozilla.org. replaced-url
1476[22:16:37] <jhutchins> ,v seamonkey
1477[22:16:38] <judd> No package named 'seamonkey' was found in amd64.
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1480[22:16:51] <jhutchins> ,v iceape
1481[22:16:53] <judd> No package named 'iceape' was found in amd64.
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1483[22:17:16] <sney> ,file bin/iceape
1484[22:17:19] <jhutchins> There's a way to ask why it was dropped, but I can never get the syntax.
1485[22:17:20] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
1486[22:17:45] <hitest> yeah, one will likely need to install seamonkey by downloading a package from the seamonkey site I'm guessing.
1487[22:17:58] <sney> #732314
1488[22:17:59] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1490[22:18:12] <hitest> yep
1491[22:18:40] <jhutchins> It's still under development.
1492[22:19:49] <hitest> replaced-url
1493[22:21:17] <beelzebuzz> ,v bluefish
1494[22:21:18] <judd> Package: bluefish on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.6-2; stretch: 2.2.9-1+b1; buster: 2.2.10-1; bullseye: 2.2.11+svn-r8872-3; sid: 2.2.11+svn-r8872-3
1495[22:23:26] <jhutchins> beelzebuzz: That's an HTML editor, isn't it?
1496[22:23:42] <jhutchins> I liked the one that was integrated in KDE 3.5.
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1498[22:23:45] <beelzebuzz> yes. the only one i can remember the name of
1499[22:24:15] <jhutchins> For some reason a lot of the editor projects fell apart.
1500[22:24:33] <beelzebuzz> people use text editors mostly
1501[22:24:59] <jhutchins> Yeah, I use vi.
1502[22:25:10] <hitest> same
1503[22:25:56] <beelzebuzz> sney isn't kidding about the wysiwig stuff being dead. can't even remember the last time i saw one
1504[22:25:59] <jhutchins> Then again, I strictly HTML, never even got into css let alone java.
1505[22:26:36] <beelzebuzz> yeah i wouldn't bother with an html editor then
1506[22:26:58] <jhutchins> The ability to toggle between text for editing and rendered preview to check for errors was nice.
1507[22:27:04] <sney> I can't remember the last time I edited html with something other than nano
1508[22:27:10] <beelzebuzz> hehe
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