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• 2[00:02:11] <sney> are any of the security issues you're thinking of listed in replaced-url
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• 4[00:02:45] <notahackerlol> >chromium
• 5[00:02:53] <sney> the ~deb10u* version string indicates that patches were added, in this case it looks like a lot of security fixes in deb10u1
• 6[00:03:48] <notahackerlol> chromium tho
• 7[00:03:49] <oxek> sney: no they are not
• 8[00:04:24] <sney> notahackerlol: #debian is a support channel, if you don't have anything support-related to contribute please chat somewhere else
• 9[00:04:26] <oxek> I see they are fixed in debian-experimental though replaced-url
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• 13[00:05:25] <sney> oxek: hm, have you checked open bugs for any of the issues you're thinking of? there may be a message from the maintainer explaining what's going on
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• 15[00:05:58] <oxek> sney: I'm still struggling with navigating the tracker.d.o page. Is there a link to the mailing list on it?
• 16[00:06:43] <sney> bugs are listed in the upper-right panel, click any of those numbers to be taken to the list
• 17[00:07:18] <oxek> ah, I see it now
• 18[00:07:22] <oxek> thanks
• 19[00:07:32] <sney> it might also be related to this message about chromium still depending on python2
• 20[00:07:38] <sney> replaced-url
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• 22[00:09:32] <oxek> that bug is from oct 2019
• 23[00:09:43] <oxek> there have been many updates of chromium since then
• 24[00:10:02] <sney> what bug? the panel says there are 50
• 25[00:10:11] <oxek> replaced-url
• 26[00:10:12] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 27[00:10:56] <oxek> it shouldn't affect stable though, python2 is scheduled to be removed only in bullseye, no?
• 28[00:10:58] <sney> just because it's been known for a long time that we were getting rid of python2 doesn't mean that everyone was on top of it, unfortunately
• 29[00:11:15] <sney> python2 has already been removed in bullseye and sid. so any source packages that still rely on it can't build.
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• 32[00:13:59] <sney> new versions of packages are always built and uploaded to sid before they go anywhere else. there may be some rare exceptions but this is the policy.
• 33[00:14:33] <oxek> I see, I understand that
• 34[00:14:39] <oxek> that would certainly affect chromium
• 35[00:15:06] <oxek> does that mean that chromium is essentially abandoned on debian until google fixes python2 dependency?
• 36[00:15:24] <sney> not abandoned since it still has a maintainer, but definitely stuck
• 37[00:15:37] <oxek> yeah, my english is not best, sorry
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• 39[00:17:43] <sney> I'm surprised that a project with google money is this far behind on a transition that everyone knew was coming, but I guess anything's possible. hopefully the patches are coming soon.
• 40[00:18:40] <oxek> I think google is committed to supporting python2 on their own for a while
• 41[00:19:12] <oxek> until 2023, if I can find the link
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• 45[00:23:08] <sney> mozilla layoffs, now this, are we even going to have browsers a year from now? /ot
• 46[00:23:23] <oxek> makes sense, they probably have lots of python2 code internally, so they need to support it internally
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• 50[00:31:11] <oxek> yeah I can't find that info, maybe I am wrong and am thinking of some other big player committing to supporting python2 internally for a while
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• 209[04:29:28] <Oberon4278> All of the instructions I can find on how to make my wireless USB card work require that you connect to the Internet to download packages.
• 210[04:29:32] <Oberon4278> This must be some kind of sick joke.
• 211[04:30:15] <sney> there's an installer that includes the firmware for most wifi adapters, if a reinstall is an option for you
• 212[04:30:40] <sney> otherwise, you're apparently on the internet somehow, and you can download packages manually from replaced-url
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• 214[04:30:45] <sney> !firmware imag
• 215[04:30:49] <sney> !firmware image
• 216[04:30:49] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
• 217[04:31:53] <sney> (the sick joke is by the hardware vendors, who decided to black-box the parts of the driver that control radio frequencies for no good reason. debian's policy prohibits distributing these binary components and has since before wifi was invented)
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• 219[04:33:36] <Oberon4278> I'm on a different machine
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• 223[04:35:12] <Oberon4278> I've got iw, but it doesn't seem to recognize the USB nic. Is that a driver issue most likely?
• 224[04:35:28] <sney> you can probably usb a file to your other machine. firmware packages are usually one and done, their dependencies are already on your system. do you know what the wifi controller is?
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• 226[04:36:06] <Oberon4278> I don't have a USB driver either :D
• 227[04:36:25] <Oberon4278> Yeah, I do, I'll check that ISO and see if it's on there.
• 228[04:36:30] <Oberon4278> TP-LINK something
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• 230[04:38:13] <sney> the controller is not the tp-link model name, but sometimes you can find it based on that
• 231[04:39:57] <Oberon4278> I want to find the chipset for the tp-link model, right?
• 232[04:40:20] <sney> yes. the brand name for the chipset is typically enough, like realtek or atheros
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• 235[04:42:29] <Oberon4278> it's Atheros, probably AR9271
• 236[04:43:10] <sney> all of the atheros nics are supported by the firmware in the atheros-firmware package, which has no extra dependencies
• 237[04:43:29] <Oberon4278> kk
• 238[04:43:37] <sney> oh, I got the name backwards. replaced-url
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• 241[04:47:11] <Oberon4278> So I'll need to tell aptitude to check my USB drive for packages, right?
• 242[04:48:06] <Oberon4278> never mind, I can figure that out on my own
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• 304[05:37:16] <b-04> hi
• 305[05:37:37] <b-04> im to try dist-upgrade
• 306[05:37:41] <b-04> and i have this error
• 307[05:38:02] <b-04> mount : Depends: util-linux (>= 2.29.2-3~) but 2.25.2-6 is installed
• 308[05:38:03] <b-04> systemd : Depends: libsystemd0 (= 215-17+deb8u13) but 246-2 is installed Recommends: libpam-systemd but it is not installed
• 309[05:38:06] <b-04> any ideas?
• 310[05:38:16] <b-04> its debian 8
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• 314[05:40:05] <annadane> have you read the jessie -> stretch release notes by any chance?
• 315[05:40:10] <annadane> dpkg, jessie->stretch
• 316[05:40:10] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
• 317[05:40:33] <b-04> thanks, i go to read annadane :)
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• 321[05:45:01] <Oberon4278> alright, I've got the drivers working
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• 323[05:50:28] <Oberon4278> but I'm having a hell of a time actually getting it to connect
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• 335[06:19:17] <skered> Google is failing me but is there a web interface to debian source packages? Like git.centos.org
• 336[06:19:38] <Oberon4278> hoooooly shit I actually got the damn thing online
• 337[06:20:19] <Unit193> skered: A lot of packages are maintained in git, and there's also sources.d.o.
• 338[06:20:21] <skered> er... nm I think I got it. replaced-url
• 339[06:20:39] <Unit193> Not everything is on Salsa, whether in git or not.
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• 341[06:20:57] <skered> So maintainers pick where the source of the package is located?
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• 343[06:21:33] <skered> I see replaced-url
• 344[06:21:56] <Unit193> Some people maintain it in teams, their personal section, on another git host, not in git at all, etc.
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• 347[06:25:33] <Oberon4278> well, that's weird. I had it up for a second, but then it went down.
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• 349[06:26:02] <efloid> i just set up a dual boot system. windows was using EFI and Debian was using legacy. I removed grub-pc and installed grub-efi as primary bootloader. i see that inside /boot/efi/EFI there is a Microsoft folder. there is also a 16 MB "microsoft reserved" partition.
• 350[06:26:25] <efloid> are those still necessary?
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• 353[06:31:56] <Unit193> skered: Err, lastly if you `apt-cache showsrc $pkgname` you'll often see Vcs-* fields. Is there something specific you're looking for?
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• 356[06:32:44] <skered> Unit193: Yeah, thanks.
• 357[06:35:56] <efloid> oh i see there is bug 963475 for efibootmgr
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• 362[06:40:02] <efloid> once grub takes over booting, does windows still need the Microsoft folder in the EFI partition? does it also still need the 16MB "microsoft reserved" partition? I've also read that for grub there should be a 1MB unformateed partition ater the EFI partition (which is where the 16MB 'microsoft reserved' partition currently is. grub2 seems to be working fine.
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• 366[06:46:05] <locknet> Hi guys!, is there any chance that a cifs mount makes hang a Windows Server? i mount 5 shared folders (36GB total) in a debian system to backup the data, today the server (Windows Server 2012) gets frozen(after almost a complete day to be mounted)
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• 372[07:01:44] <mirrorbird> how do i get security updates for debian testing?
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• 385[07:11:59] <efloid> !tell mirrorbird about testing security
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• 389[07:17:43] <mirrorbird> thank you
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• 418[07:56:02] <Sora> hi slight emergency
• 419[07:56:07] <Sora> how do I bring a network interface up without ifup
• 420[07:56:17] <Sora> the system drive is in a state of failing and the ifup folders cannot be read
• 421[07:56:26] <Sora> due to i/o error
• 422[07:56:38] <Sora> run-parts: failed to open directory /etc/network/if-pre-up.d: Input/output error
• 423[07:56:55] <cheapie> Sora: ip link set ethwhatever up
• 424[07:58:00] <Sora> its not setting the ip
• 425[07:58:08] <Sora> in /etc/network/interfaces
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• 427[07:58:18] <cheapie> Right, that just brings it up.
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• 429[07:58:34] <Sora> so how do I give it the ip
• 430[07:59:37] <cheapie> Looks like: ip addr add ip:address:goes::here dev ethwhatever
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• 433[08:01:10] <Sora> thanks
• 434[08:01:11] <Sora> seems to work
• 435[08:01:42] <cheapie> Try "ip help", "ip addr help", and "man ip" if you need more.
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• 456[08:48:01] <jasonsmr> hello debian channel
• 457[08:48:27] <diogenes_> !welcome
• 458[08:48:27] <dpkg> Welcome to #debian, the larger but unofficial support channel for Debian GNU/Linux stable releases. Official channels have moved to OFTC (irc.oftc.net) see replaced-url
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• 485[09:39:36] <rgr> Dropbox is unilaterally adding the user "w" attribute to files. Is there a way around this? eg I "chmod 444 t", check it and its yes 444, a second or two later and it's back to 644. The naive answer is of course dropbox needing write permission to sync files, but thats nonsense and also very dangerous as anything in Dropbox can not be masked as readonly.
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• 499[10:04:58] <keropok> i got this error when trying to updating my laptop -> replaced-url
• 500[10:05:50] <keropok> my laptop already connected to internet, network is unreachable
• 501[10:05:54] <ratrace> keropok: looks like the mirror you're accessing is not available, or, that being ipv6, you have ipv6 connectivity issues
• 502[10:06:55] <keropok> Acquire::ForceIPv6 "false";
• 503[10:07:10] <ratrace> keropok: try ForceIPv4 "true"
• 504[10:07:21] <keropok> ok tq ratrace
• 505[10:07:36] <ratrace> it's "force" so you have to do it the other way around, of course remove that ForceIPv6 then
• 506[10:08:18] <ratrace> the Linux network stack by default always tries ipv6 first
• 507[10:08:39] <keropok> 53 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them
• 508[10:08:53] <keropok> ok its work. thanks :)
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• 510[10:10:47] <keropok> just remove 99-force-ipv6 file
• 511[10:10:49] <tomreyn> instead of slamming the door shut and yelling "there is no problem", a better approach may be to sort out what is breaking ipv6 connectivity, though. you'll need it sooner or later.
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• 622[13:40:21] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys
• 623[13:40:39] <Eryn_1983_FL> i am doing an install on a laptop where i can dl some athk drivers?
• 624[13:40:45] <Eryn_1983_FL> its not on the disk i got.
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• 626[13:47:34] <Eryn_1983_FL> so I went and grabbed this one
• 627[13:47:35] <Eryn_1983_FL> replaced-url
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• 646[14:10:23] <abrotman> Eryn_1983_FL: so it all works now?
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• 654[14:19:12] <Eryn_1983_FL> nope
• 655[14:19:19] <Eryn_1983_FL> i found a nic card on the laptop
• 656[14:19:22] <Eryn_1983_FL> so i used that for now
• 657[14:19:32] <Eryn_1983_FL> and did a net install w/o net
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• 660[14:21:05] * abrotman wonders which one is the bot
• 661[14:21:19] <Eryn_1983_FL> eh?
• 662[14:21:22] <Eryn_1983_FL> oh
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• 668[14:23:12] <Eryn_1983_FL> so hopfully i can install some packages for the wifi now
• 669[14:23:23] <Eryn_1983_FL> trying to get a gui cause wifi in the cli is not fun
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• 671[14:23:33] <Eryn_1983_FL> nmcli is cool but its not even installed
• 672[14:23:35] <CrystalMath> 1983!
• 673[14:23:40] <CrystalMath> my favorite year ever
• 674[14:23:45] <Eryn_1983_FL> haha
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• 676[14:24:15] <CrystalMath> btw, i connect to wifi using ifupdown :P
• 677[14:24:32] <Eryn_1983_FL> well no driver
• 678[14:24:44] <Eryn_1983_FL> i tried putting that file on a seperate usb but that didnt work
• 679[14:24:55] <Eryn_1983_FL> so i just did a minimal install and i realized i got a wire nic
• 680[14:24:55] <CrystalMath> oh, had that problem too, on my old laptop
• 681[14:25:00] <CrystalMath> SiS 163U wifi card
• 682[14:25:08] <CrystalMath> no linux driver for it, at all....
• 683[14:25:11] <Eryn_1983_FL> mines an athk
• 684[14:25:13] <CrystalMath> not even proprietary
• 685[14:25:34] <Eryn_1983_FL> yeah i know
• 686[14:25:41] <Eryn_1983_FL> but i had no wifi to install it,
• 687[14:25:43] <Eryn_1983_FL> lol
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• 690[14:29:11] <Eryn_1983_FL> whats the amd driver package?
• 691[14:29:18] <Eryn_1983_FL> gui is not coming up yet..
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• 694[14:30:10] <Eryn_1983_FL> keeps screaming about amdgpu firmware sigh
• 695[14:32:16] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok got gui now woot
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• 738[15:10:20] <mirrorbird> i upgraded to debian testing
• 739[15:10:24] <mirrorbird> now wifi doesn't work
• 740[15:10:32] <mirrorbird> things seem broken in general. i use MATE, but there's no network manager anymore
• 741[15:10:52] <mirrorbird> they removed that for some reason?
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• 746[15:19:04] <mirrorbird> E: Unable to locate package network-manager-applet
• 747[15:19:04] <mirrorbird> but it seems to exist when i type it out and press tab :s
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• 752[15:22:33] <abrotman> judd: versions network-manager-applet
• 753[15:22:34] <judd> No package named 'network-manager-applet' was found in amd64.
• 754[15:23:52] <beelzebuzz> nm-applet?
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• 809[16:35:47] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. What are the list of commands to install a .deb again? I don't do it enough to have it memorized yet.
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• 819[16:43:28] <nkuttler> Lady_Aleena: dpkg -i the.deb
• 820[16:43:44] <Lady_Aleena> nkuttler, thanks!
• 821[16:44:32] <tds> apt install ./the.deb can also be handy if you want to drag in dependencies at the same time
• 822[16:44:33] <Lady_Aleena> I knew it was dpkg <something>
• 823[16:44:54] <oxek> If I want to prevent firefox from upgrading next month, is 'sudo apt-mark hold firefox-esr' still the recommended way of doing it?
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• 833[16:54:38] <Lady_Aleena> By the way, I heard of a program called Slack where people can chat, so I installed something called slack from Debian packages. However, it installed so fast that I was suspicious. It looks like the slack I installed is not the Slack I was told about.
• 834[16:56:01] <JPT> If you followed the instructions on slack.com i assume you installed the right one.
• 835[16:56:56] <Lady_Aleena> JPT, I just `sudo apt install slack`. I didn't go to slack.com.
• 836[16:57:07] <JPT> Oh, okay. And it successfully installed something?
• 837[16:57:40] <Lady_Aleena> JPT, yes. The first line of the man is: slack - Sysadmin's lazy autoconfiguration kit
• 838[16:57:44] <JPT> Oooh :D
• 839[16:57:45] <JPT> replaced-url
• 840[16:57:50] <JPT> Yeah, that's something different
• 841[16:58:10] <JPT> You can use 'apt purge slack' to get rid of it.
• 842[16:58:21] <Lady_Aleena> JPT, it was a poke-and-hope installation.
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• 844[16:59:19] <JPT> If you want to get the Slack Chat "App", you can try the .deb package offered on their website.
• 845[16:59:25] <Lady_Aleena> JPT, I don't think it is hurting anything by being installed. I don't know if I'll ever use it, unless the Slack that I was told about is also called by the command "slack".
• 846[16:59:45] <JPT> Spoiler: It's probably a web app, so you'll end up some kind of electron-app
• 847[17:00:01] <Lady_Aleena> JPT, I'll tias.
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• 849[17:00:21] <JPT> Sure, you can keep the other package installed. It's probably not going to hurt you.
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• 853[17:02:40] <padhu> How can I add graphics in code blocks in debian 10 32bit
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• 856[17:05:05] <Lady_Aleena> JPT, I take it if there were errors when installing, the package was not installed.
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• 859[17:06:17] <Lady_Aleena> replaced-url
• 860[17:07:00] <JPT> That's odd, but it appears that there's a conflict with whatever the "slack" package installed. Perhaps it helps to remove it.
• 861[17:07:27] <JPT> So, yes, the installation of slack-desktop was aborted.
• 862[17:08:07] <Lady_Aleena> Also, it appears the Debian pastebin is down.
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• 864[17:08:42] <JPT> I agree, looks like that to me, too
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• 867[17:09:50] <Lady_Aleena> And boy was this installation a pita.
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• 876[17:28:48] <RoyK> Anyone that can recommend a good email solution that is free, open source and well supported in debian? I have an old and struggling zimbra server atm, but it doesn't seem zimbra development is what it used to be. Also, upgrading zimbra between distro versions can be a real PITA
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• 881[17:35:33] <abrotman> RoyK: required features?
• 882[17:36:18] <abrotman> If I were doing OSS, I'd probably go Postfix/Dovecot/Roundcube
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• 885[17:41:44] <sney> +1 to postfix/dovecot/roundcube/(amavis, etc) on debian, I ran a server like that in prod for 4 years and it was very smooth
• 886[17:42:17] <sney> there's also iredmail that has the same components but is combined under one admin umbrella, if you don't feel comfortable setting everything up manually
• 887[17:42:20] <JPT> +1 to that, plus you learn a lot about why email is pure pain.
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• 889[17:42:58] <abrotman> Setting up email is easy .. setting up email correctly is hard :)
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• 891[17:43:01] <sney> yes, learning the internals of smtp is definitely valuable and annoying hahaha
• 892[17:43:29] <JPT> Once you're done with the basics and got it set up correctly, enjoy the hell of spam vs antispam.
• 893[17:43:53] <sney> indeed
• 894[17:44:06] <abrotman> It's my $DAYJOB
• 895[17:44:15] <JPT> And if you're in for a big setup (hundreds of mailboxes or more), be prepared for a really big chapter of "How to store emails"
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• 899[17:44:49] <RoyK> sney: any experience with iredmail? I found it while googling, but I've never heard of it before
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• 901[17:45:51] <sney> no first-hand experience, I've just heard good things, and I confirmed via their docs that it's the same components with a postgresql backend
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• 903[17:48:19] <abrotman> Also, +1 to Zimbra being a PITA
• 904[17:48:58] <sney> so iredmail has the unified web panel for convenience but if you need to you can go into /etc/postfix and tweak something or look at /var/log/mail.log directly, etc
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• 906[17:49:29] <RoyK> sney: I'll give it a try - thanks
• 907[17:49:47] <sney> np
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• 944[18:21:39] <McErroneous> Hi ..., i am looking for a command to control screen blanking in tty.... , i forgot it
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• 948[18:22:24] <nvz> McErroneous: setterm
• 949[18:22:36] <McErroneous> nvz: thanks..
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• 955[18:23:56] <nvz> McErroneous: I used to run it in a loop from /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh something like for vc in 1 2 3 4 5 6; do setterm ... > /dev/tty$vc... kinda deal but idk if that works now due to systemd and tty being setup on the fly
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• 957[18:24:09] <RoyK> nvz: unless it's the console screensaver that kicks in, that is, then see the consoleblank=0 kernel argument
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• 961[18:25:03] <nvz> o.O
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• 967[18:30:52] <GrayGhost> when ever I try to run software updates it opens and when I close it it asks to refresh cash and never finishes : replaced-url
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• 970[18:32:05] <RoyK> GrayGhost: might be a glitch in the matrix ;)
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• 972[18:32:28] <RoyK> GrayGhost: try to open a terminal and run "sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade && sudo autoremove"
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• 974[18:35:38] <GrayGhost> that brings up another problem : mhc is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
• 975[18:35:49] <GrayGhost> I have to run su frist
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• 979[18:38:42] <GrayGhost> replaced-url
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• 981[18:40:37] <GrayGhost> I seem to have several things messed up in my install :(
• 982[18:41:19] <JPT> Don't worry too much. You can use visudo to edit your sudoers file
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• 984[18:41:54] <JPT> You can learn more about sudo over here: replaced-url
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• 986[18:43:19] <beelzebuzz> GrayGhost: not having users in sudoers is also used for security reasons
• 987[18:45:08] <GrayGhost> beelzebuzz, i understand that and it is not a problem .. just use su and continue
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• 989[18:45:44] <GrayGhost> but not being able to update can become a problem
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• 1009[18:59:39] <McErroneous> Hi, what is the meaning of "udeb" in a package name ? (like kbd package ) ?
• 1010[19:00:37] <sney> those are installer components
• 1011[19:01:04] <JPT> The wiki just has two sentences about that: "The 'u' stands for micro. An udeb is a stripped down deb file for use by the DebianInstaller . It removes the naughty bits (the documentation, as well as some checksums, etc.) to save space. "
• 1012[19:01:32] <McErroneous> i have a system running knoppix with kernel 2.6.32 which version of kdb should i install , in order to my system clean ?
• 1013[19:01:53] <McErroneous> in order to keep the system tidy..
• 1014[19:03:05] <JPT> If you don't need manpages for that, a udeb could be fine. I assume udebs are mostly used where every byte counts (embedded devices, live cd images, ...)
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• 1016[19:03:23] <nvz> does knoppix even still exist?
• 1017[19:03:27] <nvz> dpkg, knoppix
• 1018[19:03:28] <JPT> So if you have 10G+ of free disk space, you maybe don't want to bother too much
• 1019[19:03:28] <dpkg> Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. replaced-url
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• 1021[19:04:18] <sney> wow, 2.6.32, *indiana jones voice* it belongs in a museum
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• 1024[19:05:30] <nvz> dpkg, knoppix =~ s#unofficial: replaced-url
• 1025[19:05:31] <dpkg> OK, nvz
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• 1028[19:06:20] <McErroneous> sney: give your grandma a saying like that ! And tell her where she belongs..., what would she answer you..
• 1029[19:07:35] <JPT> 2.6.32? Good memories. KDE3, Beryl for fancy 3d cube desktops, Wine for GuildWars1, Dual Core CPU, ...
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• 1031[19:07:38] <sney> your comments about my deceased grandparents have no bearing on the fact that you're using a kernel that was released in 2009 and hasn't even had LTS in over 4 years
• 1032[19:08:02] * nvz gets out a ouiji board
• 1033[19:08:04] <sney> and we're allowed to be as rude as we want about derivatives in here. it's a deterrant.
• 1034[19:08:23] * McErroneous LOL...
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• 1041[19:11:42] <beelzebuzz> McErroneous: sney has a valid point about the derivatives. same reason arch channels will tear you up for asking about anything but arch. that being said, trying to breathe life into old systems is sometimes fun
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• 1043[19:12:09] <McErroneous> should i go for "try and error" to find the right package to install .. ? There are kbd-versions ranging from 1.06 to 1.15...
• 1044[19:12:49] <sney> for anything based on debian 6, trial and error is probably your only option, as most of us don't even remember the specifics from that era even if we were inclined to help
• 1045[19:12:52] <sney> !based on debian
• 1046[19:12:52] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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• 1052[19:16:12] <sney> I'm sorry you're upset that your ancient derivative livecd isn't supported in here, but it's an old established rule that exists for very good reasons. No amount of whining or splitting hairs will change that. go to ##linux or something if you need a rubber duck
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• 1058[19:20:01] <boodie36> Hi everyone. I need some help with package dependencies; I tried to install cifs-utils and now I have ~200 broken dependencies in aptutude ...
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• 1060[19:20:20] <sney> !bat
• 1061[19:20:20] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 1062[19:20:24] <boodie36> I believe it's because of conflict with samba4
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• 1075[19:31:13] <annadane> or just leave, that's fine too
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• 1078[19:34:42] <oxek> what's the difference between 'busybox' and 'busybox-static' packages?
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• 1082[19:36:10] <diogenes_> oxek, the latter one most likely uses static libraries, not shared.
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• 1084[19:38:51] <oxek> diogenes_: both are a single binary though
• 1085[19:39:03] <oxek> with no other dependencies
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• 1088[19:40:47] <marcodiego> I'd just compiled mesa 2.1.5 on my rockpi4 on armbian buster. I didn't type "ninja install" since this may break my system. How do I create a debian package from it?
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• 1092[19:43:42] <RoyK> marcodiego: I guess that's a nice question for #armbian
• 1093[19:44:10] <marcodiego> RoyK, tried there. They told me to ask here
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• 1095[19:44:56] <oxek> I see, busybox-static does not depend on libc6
• 1096[19:45:10] <oxek> so it probably includes it, that's what the static means
• 1097[19:45:40] <karlpinc> oxek: Staticlly linked.
• 1098[19:46:48] <beelzebuzz> oxek: another example; using static arm binaries on x86 to chroot into a raspbian install
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• 1100[19:53:05] <oxek> beelzebuzz: wow, that's possible? Despite it being different architectures?
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• 1102[19:54:39] <beelzebuzz> sort of, i am referring more to static qemu-arm binary that i can toss on a usb stick when i need to chroot into an sd card install or whatever
• 1103[19:55:44] <oxek> Installing busybox-static replaces busybox, I guess that should not be a problem then.
• 1104[19:56:13] <oxek> I'm asking because I want to install lxc to learn it, and when I do apt install it tells me it will replace busybox package
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• 1106[19:56:17] <beelzebuzz> like if you compare a distros version of virtualbox to the ose version, the qt libraries are static in the ose version
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• 1110[19:58:44] <beelzebuzz> the qemu-arm thing is probably a bad example but i use that scenario often
• 1111[19:58:53] <Boodie> Hi everyone, I tried to install cifs-utils and now I have conflicting dependencies in aptitude. According to a quick search it seems that the problem is the clash between cifs-utils and samba4
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• 1113[20:00:57] <oxek> !bat
• 1114[20:00:57] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 1118[20:04:17] <Boodie> oxek: OK, so, how do I perform 1 (complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run)? I use the aptitude utility, which is examining dependencies at the moment ...
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• 1120[20:04:59] <beelzebuzz> wait til it stops. your pkg will be locked
• 1121[20:05:11] <beelzebuzz> pkg database i mean
• 1122[20:05:20] <Boodie> OK
• 1123[20:05:22] <GrayGhost> how do I fix this error : replaced-url
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• 1125[20:07:19] <JPT> Isn't it supposed to be 'buster-updates' instead of 'buster/updates'?
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• 1127[20:07:31] <JPT> Check your /etc/apt/sources.list
• 1128[20:11:49] <GrayGhost> replaced-url
• 1129[20:12:08] <GrayGhost> should it have the spaces ?
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• 1131[20:14:55] <Boodie> beelzebuzz: how serious is the problem ... e.g. if I turned the PC off and restarted it tomorrow, let's say, is it likely that the whole system won't start?
• 1132[20:15:54] <Boodie> The way it's going it might take all night ...
• 1133[20:16:32] <JPT> GrayGhost: The format is explained in here: replaced-url
• 1134[20:16:44] <JPT> (I might be wrong)
• 1135[20:17:13] <JPT> But i don't expect the official mirrors to come back with a 404
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• 1137[20:18:27] <GrayGhost> JPT, how did it get to be wrong .. the system set it up , i never changed it
• 1138[20:19:11] <JPT> In that case, it's probably correct and i was guessing wrong. Perhaps the mirror is currently in process of doing maintenance or something. Try again later?
• 1139[20:19:48] <GrayGhost> it happenes no mater what mirror I select
• 1140[20:20:25] <JPT> Okay, so according to the examples, it is "buster/updates" for debian security updates, but "buster-updates" for the usual repo
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• 1142[20:21:18] <JPT> Check the examples on the wiki article and compare them carefully
• 1143[20:21:45] <jmcnaught> buster/updates and buster-updates are two different repositories
• 1144[20:22:13] <GrayGhost> what if I just replace the file with the one on that site
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• 1147[20:23:00] <JPT> Perhaps read the article about SourcesList first, so you know what to expect.
• 1148[20:23:53] <jmcnaught> GrayGhost: the example here is good to use: replaced-url
• 1149[20:24:28] <jmcnaught> GrayGhost: regarding the original 404 error, are you behind a proxy?
• 1150[20:25:46] <GrayGhost> how about this : replaced-url
• 1151[20:25:58] <another> hello there
• 1152[20:26:18] <jmcnaught> GrayGhost: that looks okay, do you still get errors with "apt update"?
• 1153[20:26:21] <GrayGhost> no I dont have a proxy ... just comcast
• 1154[20:26:26] <another> i was trying to use rdomain in openssh-server
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• 1156[20:27:25] <another> apparently openssh was build without it for some reason
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• 1159[20:28:10] <cybrNaut> i've created /etc/udev/rules.d/999-run_my_script.rules. It runs my script when the matching USB drive is connected, but it seems to be running too early (before the drive is mounted). my script needs the drive to be mounted first. How can I make sure that happens? I thought naming the rule "999-*" would work but apparently not.
• 1160[20:28:39] <GrayGhost> jmcnaught, now it seems to run without errors
• 1161[20:29:02] <another> could someone explain why configure couldn't find linux/if.h ?
• 1162[20:29:44] <jmcnaught> GrayGhost: good.
• 1163[20:30:30] <GrayGhost> jmcnaught, but i still get an error when opening software manager
• 1164[20:30:35] <another> cybrNaut: udev doesn't handle mounting
• 1165[20:32:27] <Boodie> Hi everyone, sorry I had to reboot buster ... as I said before I have 200 broken dependencies, after attempting to install cifs-utils
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• 1167[20:32:45] <cybrNaut> another: udev seems to handle mounting when there is no /etc/fstab line, but you make a good point-- in my case, i have an /etc/fstab line. How can I control the sequence so that the udev script runs after the mounting?
• 1168[20:33:06] <GrayGhost> jmcnaught, seems to be working correctly now .. I hope :)
• 1169[20:33:24] <cybrNaut> i suppose i can remove the /etc/fstab line, but then I lose control over the mountpoint
• 1170[20:34:13] <cybrNaut> maybe i'll have udev do an "at" command instead
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• 1173[20:36:20] <Boodie> The problem seems common to Ubuntu, CentOS, RedHat, etc ...
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• 1184[20:52:01] <GrayGhost> jmcgnh, I changed to a local server here in CA and now it is back again :
• 1185[20:52:07] <GrayGhost> replaced-url
• 1186[20:52:58] <GrayGhost> I can fix it again and not change mirrors ... just thought someone might be interested in my experances
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• 1188[20:54:01] <jmcnaught> GrayGhost: FYI deb.debian.org is a content delivery network (CDN) so for most people it will probably be the fastest.
• 1189[20:54:27] <GrayGhost> seems something is wrong with the software updater or with the local mirror
• 1190[20:54:45] <jmcnaught> GrayGhost: are you getting the same 404 error? Also I'm not sure if you can end lines in sources.list with comments (#Added by software-properties…) I thought that comments needed to start on their own lines.
• 1191[20:54:47] <tomreyn> GrayGhost: it would seem that either you or software-properties reinstroduced the "/" vs "-" mistake again
• 1192[20:55:40] <GrayGhost> all the chages were interduced by the software updater
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• 1194[20:56:03] <tomreyn> just delete the last line
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• 1201[21:00:33] <Boodie> Sorry guys, which is the official paste site?
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• 1203[21:01:32] <tomreyn> type /topic
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• 1206[21:01:43] <tomreyn> note it says: /msg dpkg paste
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• 1208[21:01:47] <tomreyn> type that
• 1209[21:02:02] <tomreyn> and then read the private message you receive
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• 1211[21:03:17] <tomreyn> Boodie: ^ also consider a better irc client than libpurple
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• 1215[21:06:44] <Boodie> tomreyn: I am using pidgin
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• 1217[21:07:14] <Boodie> /msg dpkg paste
• 1218[21:07:24] <tomreyn> without the leading space
• 1219[21:07:43] <tomreyn> pidgin uses libpurple, yes
• 1220[21:08:29] <Boodie> replaced-url
• 1221[21:08:56] <Boodie> tomreyn: so which IRC client is preferred?
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• 1223[21:09:55] <tomreyn> oh i wasn't aware that paste.debian.net is still unavailable.
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• 1225[21:11:32] <jmcnaught> !termbin
• 1226[21:11:33] <dpkg> you can paste to termbin.com from terminal via: cat /path/to/file | nc termbin.com 9999
• 1227[21:11:50] <jmcnaught> nice, useless use of cat
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• 1231[21:13:40] <Boodie> However, in Aptitude I have 200 conflict dependencies, none in Synaptic and this is the output of "dpkg --configure -a" : replaced-url
• 1232[21:13:42] <oxek> jmcnaught: what would be the proper way of writing it without cat?
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• 1235[21:14:24] <another> < /file
• 1236[21:14:30] <jmcnaught> oxek: "nc termbin.com 9999 < /path/to/file"
• 1237[21:14:39] <oxek> oh right
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• 1241[21:15:42] <jmcnaught> Boodie: use "su -l" to get a root login shell and proper PATH variable that includes /sbin
• 1242[21:17:05] <oxek> is there any good reason to use cdebootstrap instead of debootstrap?
• 1243[21:17:08] <Boodie> OK, thanks; no broken packages
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• 1245[21:18:14] <Boodie> jmcnaught: Could the problem be aptitude? Synaptic doesn't signal any anomaly ...
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• 1247[21:19:29] <jmcnaught> Boodie: this happens when you try to install a package in the aptitude interface? Can make a paste of installing that package on the command line, and the other info requested by "/msg dpkg bat"? "aptitude install PACKAGE | nc termbin.com 9999" for example.
• 1248[21:21:36] <Boodie> replaced-url
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• 1250[21:22:03] <jmcnaught> Boodie: looks like cifs-utils is installed already
• 1251[21:23:11] <Boodie> Indeed, this is when things started going wrong
• 1252[21:24:16] <Boodie> then, into aptitude, it says that ntfs-3g has a broken dependency
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• 1254[21:24:52] <Boodie> which is another package linked to cifs-utils
• 1255[21:25:36] <Boodie> now I have ~ 200 of these broken dependencies
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• 1257[21:27:22] <Boodie> No idea of how serious this problem is, however, I tried to backtrack and uninstall cifs-utils but it warns me that other basic packages will be removed
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• 1259[21:28:19] <tomreyn> Boodie: run this to gather some info: sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -y update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog && rm /tmp/aptlog
• 1260[21:28:32] <tomreyn> it wont modify your system
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• 1267[21:31:59] <Boodie> replaced-url
• 1268[21:32:00] <McErroneous> how do i check which version of kbd to install manually ?
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• 1270[21:33:25] <tomreyn> Boodie: okay, that doesn't look too bad. can oyu install apt-forktracer and show its output? sudo apt install apt-forktracer && sudo apt-forktracer 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
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• 1273[21:36:15] <Boodie> replaced-url
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• 1275[21:37:54] <tomreyn> Boodie: so all of these packages listed there are not part of your running debian release (buster/10)
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• 1277[21:38:34] <tomreyn> they look like they can be leftovers from a release upgrade which was carried out without following all the steps documented.
• 1278[21:38:48] <tomreyn> at least some of them
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• 1280[21:39:04] <tomreyn> you should uninstall these packages, which may help you with resolving dependencies
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• 1282[21:39:51] <tomreyn> some of them you might want to keep, if you intnentionally installed them, such as 'zoom', but note that noner of these packages have a way to receive security updates through apt
• 1283[21:40:08] <Boodie> hmmm, so, I installed zoom manually but the others are a leftover from stretch?
• 1284[21:40:09] <tomreyn> which may very put your system at risk.
• 1285[21:40:47] <tomreyn> some of them seem like leftovers from stretch, yes. i can't say for sure for all of them
• 1286[21:40:52] <Boodie> Interesting, ok, how do I "purge" them?
• 1287[21:41:03] <tomreyn> sudo apt purge package1 package2
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• 1290[21:41:16] <tomreyn> you may want to add --autoremove
• 1291[21:41:31] <Boodie> one by one or (presumably) using a command?
• 1292[21:41:45] <Boodie> just apt-get -autoremove?
• 1293[21:41:52] <tomreyn> sudo apt purge --autoremove package1 package2
• 1294[21:42:24] <Boodie> ok, ... no risks?
• 1295[21:42:28] <tomreyn> this will purge both the packages listed and their dependencies (which are not needed by other packages)
• 1296[21:42:57] <tomreyn> read the output before you confirm. if unsure, share it
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• 1316[21:56:57] <jasonsmr> hello debian channel
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• 1320[21:57:58] <tomreyn> hello jasonsmr
• 1321[21:57:58] <jasonsmr> question why when I install installer asks me for root password , why dosent actually work when fully booted
• 1322[21:58:29] <jasonsmr> I mean it asks me so I assumed it created password. also no sudo installed?
• 1323[21:58:40] <jasonsmr> debian buster
• 1324[22:00:51] <asymptotically> if you leave the root password blank, it will disable the root account and install sudo
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• 1327[22:02:44] <jmcnaught> jasonsmr: how are you trying to become root? Logging into tty? "su -l"?
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• 1332[22:05:30] <tobylane> Is there a linter/checker for appdata.xml?
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• 1335[22:06:15] <tobylane> There's one as part of the appstream site but I want to check before it gets there
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• 1337[22:07:46] <Oberon> Okay, super noob question here -- how can I check whether vi has been aliased to vim?
• 1338[22:08:05] <Oberon> I put the alias in .bashrc and started a new shell but which vi still shows vi
• 1339[22:08:57] <tomreyn> alias vi
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• 1341[22:09:13] <Oberon> ahh thank you
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• 1355[22:25:29] <sunyibo> Hi, when I type "/msg dpkg guidelines", nothing happens. How can I acces this?
• 1356[22:25:51] <Oberon> I'm sorry sunyibo, I don't know.
• 1357[22:26:02] <annadane> it works for me
• 1358[22:26:05] <annadane> !guidelines
• 1359[22:26:05] <dpkg> 1) Read the /topic, the FAQ, and google before asking us. 2) Don't ask to ask, just ask. 3) Don't repeat; show that you have tried to help yourself by refining the question. 4) Reading documentation (man/info pages, READMEs) is a worthwhile skill, practice it. 5) Use /msg to talk to the bots (not the people), see <msg>. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste into a <pastebin>, not here. 8) No trolls or spam. 9) see <code of conduct>
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• 1361[22:26:28] <Oberon> I'm trying to install the package hyperspec: replaced-url
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• 1363[22:26:51] <Oberon> Is there a place that shows which source I need for this package? Please say it's not right on that page and I just didn't see it.
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• 1369[22:28:57] <Oberon> I think I may have found it -- I clicked on the Source link at the top of that page, then scrolled down. Two Debian Package Source Repositories are listed, one VCS: Git, the other Browsable. Presumably I want one of these.
• 1370[22:29:19] <sunyibo> Thanks. I don't know how to boot my system from a drive on passthrough mode on a raid controller. where can I ask this question more targeted?
• 1371[22:29:22] <jhutchins> !debian next
• 1372[22:29:35] <jhutchins> dpkg: debian-next
• 1373[22:29:35] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
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• 1384[22:36:09] <another> Oberon: you don't need the source unless you want to build it yourself
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• 1387[22:36:24] <another> Oberon: make sure you have contrib in your sources.list
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• 1390[22:37:24] <BCMM> Oberon: you don't need to get it from Git or a website. you just need to enable the contrib section in your sources.list
• 1391[22:37:38] <BCMM> (and then you can install it with apt or your favourite frontend)
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• 1405[22:44:53] <Boodie> tomreyn: I'm back, removed the offending packages but the conflicts in aptitude are still there ...
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• 1412[22:50:29] <Oberon> Thanks BCMM
• 1413[22:51:50] <Oberon> Sweet, worked like a charm.
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• 1416[22:56:20] <BCMM> Oberon: no problem. for future reference, stuff that isn't redistributable by the debian project will never be in main
• 1417[22:56:48] <BCMM> (and this package is basically a script to download and install it from somewhere that *is* allowed to distribute it)
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• 1422[23:02:25] <Oberon> Makes sense. I'm still getting used to Debian.
• 1423[23:02:57] <Oberon> Also it's been... maybe 15 years (?) since I last did anything sysadmin-ish
• 1424[23:03:22] <Oberon> and that was on FreeBSD and SPARCs
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• 1428[23:06:45] <tomreyn> Boodie: okay, i don't personally support aptitude, but if you wantr to show the problem while running apt or apt-get, by means of showing both the command you run and the output it procudes, i'll try to help.
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• 1431[23:08:21] <tomreyn> Boodie: also note how you've been pointed to "/msg dpkg bat" earlier, but haven't showed those outputs, yet, as far as i could tell.
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• 1434[23:09:58] <Boodie> tomreyn: Hi, thanks for the help so far
• 1435[23:10:54] <tomreyn> you're welcome, Vladimir
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• 1438[23:11:11] <Boodie> I wasn't using apt-get but aptitude, so I don't know how to proceed further
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• 1445[23:12:25] <Boodie> this was on output: replaced-url
• 1446[23:12:56] <Boodie> And that was another replaced-url
• 1447[23:13:46] <Boodie> I purged (+ autoremoved) all the offending packages, but aptitude still shows unresolved dependencies
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• 1451[23:17:35] <Boodie> This is the output of "apt-cache policy", if it provides any meaningful insight
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• 1457[23:21:54] <tomreyn> Boodie: did you mean to post a url of where you posted this output to?
• 1458[23:22:27] <Boodie> Yes, sorry replaced-url
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• 1462[23:24:38] <tomreyn> so the package you said initially you could not install easily with aptitude was cifs-utils. what is the output of sudo apt-get --simulate --assume-no install cifs-utils 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
• 1463[23:25:15] <tomreyn> Boodie: ^
• 1464[23:26:05] <tomreyn> or make this instead, if you haven't started, yet: sudo apt-get -V --simulate --assume-no install cifs-utils 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
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• 1468[23:30:40] <Boodie> replaced-url
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• 1470[23:32:14] <Boodie> this is the output of sudo apt-get -V --simulate --assume-no install cifs-utils 2>&1 replaced-url
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• 1472[23:34:48] <oxek> debootstrap downloads .deb packages, which means that I cannot use the files on the current system to bootstrap a new system, because the current system no longer has .deb packages. Correct?
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• 1475[23:37:28] <n4dir> i'd assume apt-get clean removes the deb-packages, and if you didn't run that, they are still to be found at /var/cache/apt/archives, oxek
• 1476[23:37:40] <oxek> n4dir: I did the clean
• 1477[23:38:18] <n4dir> i'd say then they are gone, but i wouldn't bet.
• 1478[23:38:58] <n4dir> as in: i don't know for sure. Thats how i see it, but it never is a problem to me (hence i never care)
• 1479[23:39:36] <oxek> my /var/cache/apt/ contains nothing of use
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• 1481[23:39:47] <oxek> it's ok, I just thought I would save myself a download
• 1482[23:39:55] <n4dir> wild guessing: i'd assume you can rsync the whole system to a partition or folder and then chroot into that
• 1483[23:40:15] <AfterDarkness> hi, i just installed libvirt, and virsh net-list shows nothing; is it not reading /etc/libvirt/qemu/networks/? the default.xml file exist there
• 1484[23:40:21] <n4dir> depends what exactly you want to do, oxek
• 1485[23:40:32] <oxek> n4dir: that might be possible, but I don't know if it would copy all sorts of special files, permissions, etc. that are setup during normal installation
• 1486[23:40:47] <oxek> I'll just run debootstrap and let it do its thing
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• 1489[23:41:04] <n4dir> it would copy the operating system as is without what is excluded in the rsync command
• 1490[23:41:14] <n4dir> oxek: probably the best choice.
• 1491[23:41:45] <oxek> I only thought about this because the manpage mentions that mirror can be file:/// URL
• 1492[23:42:38] <n4dir> ah, i see.
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• 1495[23:44:17] <AfterDarkness> i have to use virsh --connect=qemu:///system net-list --all
• 1496[23:44:18] <AfterDarkness> my bad
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• 1505[23:57:53] <tomreyn> Boodie: oh, i keep missing your replies since you don't mention my name. so it's installed, you're good. any other issues?
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• 1507[23:58:17] <tomreyn> "it" being cifs-utils
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