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1[00:01:35] <freefolk> but there is no obvious firmware for it in firmware-ralink (= firmware-misc-nonfree), which the debian wiki article above says is required.
130[02:33:30] <ozzloy> how do i add a wifi to the list of known wifis? i'm setting up a video chat laptop for my grampa. i know is AP and WPA password, but not how to add it when i'm not currently able to connect to it.
131[02:33:56] <ozzloy> i'm not at his place. i plan on setting up the laptop and dropping it off with him
140[02:43:20] <sney> ozzloy: if you set it up with /etc/network/interfaces you can hardcode the ssid/key transparently. network-manager applets (at least the one for kde) allow you to manually add a ssid and key manually when out of the ap's range as well
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169[02:52:08] <ax562> and just remove "cdrom" from "deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 10.4.0 _Buster_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20200509-10:26]/ buster contri$"
170[02:52:10] <genr8_> the CDrom thing is a known quirk. thats ignorable
171[02:52:19] <genr8_> no, just put a # in front of that whole line
172[02:52:24] <ax562> oh ok
173[02:52:51] <genr8_> but the more troublesome thing is that now you've removed all actual debian repos
174[02:53:30] <tomreyn> apt is fast now, though
175[02:54:11] <ax562> so how can I make this work lol
176[02:54:34] <ozzloy> sney, tomreyn, it appears to have added the wifi. does this just modify the file /etc/network/interfaces ? or is there some other file where this info is stored?
177[02:54:52] <ozzloy> this is actually a pretty neat device. just open it up and *bam* video chat
178[02:54:59] <sney> ozzloy: network-manager has its own database of settings somewhere
179[02:55:03] <genr8_> probably stored in the /etc/networkmanager .connection profiles
212[03:04:06] <genr8_> the tabs and spaces argument will continue till the end of time
213[03:04:12] <ozzloy> oh, an exception is lisp, where indentation is just done the right way
214[03:04:16] <longears> Hmm. Debating if I can just do `chmod 600 /etc/rsyslog.d/*` or if it's going to cause problems, considering that all the files are owned by `root:root`.
215[03:04:53] <ozzloy> what are you wishing to do by chmodding 600?
220[03:05:56] <genr8_> chmod 600 alone will solve nothing
221[03:06:38] <longears> I mean from other users on the system. I have some definitions of remote servers in there. If root can see and edit, it's fine. Just thinking about everyone else.
251[03:16:44] <ozzloy> hmm.. when the computer returns from suspend, i have to hit space bar to clear the lock screen. what needs to happen so merely opening up the laptop (and not then hitting the spacebar) goes back into the desktop?
252[03:17:17] <ozzloy> i want to put a sign on the back of the laptop "open for video chat"
253[03:17:34] <ax562> genr8_ ty! I think that finally did it lol
254[03:17:41] <genr8_> good
255[03:17:43] <genr8_> idk, but its called the "lid switch" though if googling that helps
256[03:17:54] <ozzloy> it's very close
257[03:18:00] <ax562> I used nano but the text didn't copy correctly from the dpkg messenger
258[03:18:40] <ax562> I think there might be a syntax error or nano didn't paste correctly
259[03:19:02] <ax562> I have to admit, this has been the hardes OS install EVER
260[03:19:44] <ax562> I didn't have internet connection when installed, which might be the culprit
261[03:19:47] <genr8_> idk what you managed to do to mess up the file. it should come correctly
262[03:19:53] <genr8_> maybe
263[03:20:04] <ax562> I think so
264[03:21:00] <ax562> where is the default file where I can add my custom func again?
265[03:21:04] <ax562> .bashrc?
266[03:21:16] <genr8_> yep
267[03:21:21] <ax562> ok ty
268[03:22:32] <ax562> where does .bashrc live in debian? In ubuntu it's in the home dir. Should I just create one?
323[03:45:12] <genr8_> ok this reminds me of an issue. When you mount the CDROM so apt works with cdrom entries, as soon as you run an apt-get install command, it auto-unmounts
325[03:45:41] <genr8_> that is so freaking annoying to me, i have to keep mounting the same shit on every time i install a package. how can i stop that ?
327[03:46:54] <ozzloy> i'm curious about the spelling of "ubuntu". it has "u" and no other vowel. i noticed it was just spelled "ubunto". i have noticed a lot of misspellings involving different vowels (eg. "ubanto"). i wonder what's up with that. anyone have guesses?
328[03:47:07] <genr8_> lol
329[03:47:51] <ozzloy> i wonder if there's a name for this phenomononmnnomnom
330[03:48:00] <genr8_> its caused by them not knowing how to pronounce it in their head
331[03:48:08] <genr8_> so when they re-type it back, it comes back out with various vowels
332[03:48:24] <genr8_> probably due to foreign language, or some learning disability, who knows.
333[03:49:12] <genr8_> they arent typing from written memory, they're typing from auditory memory. and theirs is faulty.
334[03:49:20] <ozzloy> i doubt both of those explanations. i've seen it from native english speakers who are neurotypical
368[04:00:04] <genr8_> look in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99synaptic for APT::Install-Recommends "true"; , comment it out with #, and add APT::Install-Recommends 0;
371[04:00:39] <genr8_> then it will say: Stuff Recommended: xxxx , when you install stuff.
372[04:01:17] <genr8_> and you can install it manually if necessary
373[04:02:45] <alexandros_c> genr8_, I have a usb mic it works on other distros but it only shows up in debian but I can get it to work? you have any ideas? thanks
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376[04:03:48] <genr8_> could be due to udev rules (USB devices need to be declared by a ID #, before they can be used by non-root), and if its a weird device, it may not be in the predefined list
450[04:26:12] <nvz> wth are you all even talkin about?
451[04:26:32] <ozzloy> obs-studio
452[04:26:41] <ozzloy> dpkg, obs-studio
453[04:26:41] <dpkg> no idea, ozzloy
454[04:26:45] <nvz> something proprietary?
455[04:26:57] <nvz> ,i obs-studio
456[04:26:58] *** njka is now known as freckles
457[04:27:05] <ozzloy> apt show obs-studio
458[04:27:15] <ozzloy> not proprietary
459[04:27:19] <nvz> just did that.. as you see.. no response :P
460[04:27:25] <ax562> I was tryihg to install apt-fast in debian. I was using this example replaced-url
461[04:27:45] <jmcnaught> judd is missing
462[04:27:53] <nvz> ah
463[04:28:01] <ozzloy> nvz, it works for me. try obsproject.com
464[04:28:21] *** freckles is now known as frecklez
465[04:28:35] <ax562> I get this error when I run update replaced-url
466[04:28:38] <ozzloy> ah OBS = open broadcaster software
467[04:28:44] <nvz> ah I may have to look into it sometime.. I been just using vokoscreen and various other lil gadgets
468[04:28:45] <ax562> any suggestions?
469[04:29:09] <ozzloy> ax562, what is apt-fast helping you do?
470[04:29:10] <nvz> like screenkey or keymon
471[04:29:32] <genr8_> ax562, IPv6 address not found.
472[04:30:03] <ax562> ozzloy I have a shotty internet connection . It helps me by running apt-fast and not restarting connections or losing because of shotty internet
473[04:30:19] <ozzloy> ax562, oh bummer
474[04:30:43] <genr8_> looks like that IPv6 address is blocked. could be due to your bad internet ?
475[04:30:49] <ax562> apt works most times but if file is large it will timeout and restart, basically never install
476[04:30:53] <dvs> ax562, you're mixing Debian and Ubuntu. No, those .deb files are NOT interchangable
477[04:30:57] <ax562> apt-fast helps fix this problem
478[04:31:05] <ax562> dvs oh ok
479[04:31:13] <ozzloy> but at least it's aiding you with a real issue you have
480[04:31:21] <ax562> I thought .deb was universal for both systems
481[04:31:34] <ozzloy> ax562, ah, that's a hard no
482[04:31:35] <dvs> no, they're not
483[04:31:42] <ax562> crap
484[04:31:49] <ozzloy> how boned are you?
485[04:31:57] <dvs> ax562, just like there are .zip files for Windows and Linux.
486[04:31:57] <ax562> boned?
487[04:32:09] <genr8_> "apt-fast is a shell script wrapper for apt-get "
488[04:32:12] <ozzloy> how bad is the situation now?
489[04:32:20] <genr8_> sounds like not very. just get the shell script :)
490[04:32:23] <ax562> yeah, I thought since it was .deb they could be installed on deb system
548[04:50:14] <genr8_> i still think you dont understand the seriousness of downloading 4.5 hours worth of stuff, when half of it is probably already on the DVD-1 you have
549[04:50:33] <genr8_> you could spend an hour to get that working again and save 2
603[06:11:57] <Derlg> ozzloy: so how do you want it to wake?
604[06:12:01] <Derlg> powerkey?
605[06:16:13] <genr8_> hes using a laptop, closing the lid suspends it, opening the lid unsuspends it, but the screen is still off (requiring to hit the spacebar)
606[06:17:35] <genr8_> gnome probably has some power management options to control "blanking the screen"
614[06:24:01] <genr8_> that page lists the X11 settings relevant for that, but gnome's power manager overrides it i believe
615[06:24:38] <mlxprojects> Hi all! I'm trying to run Debian on an ARM device using the Android kernel with some modifications (VT and framebuffer console enabled, for example). The problem is that, after showing the Tux logo and probing (successfully) the framebuffer, the screen fills with garbage and reboots; here is a kernel panic.
638[07:00:34] <ozzloy> Derlg, thanks for your thoughts
639[07:01:14] <ozzloy> Derlg, right now the power key turns it on. i'd like for my grampa to open the laptop to start video chat, and close it to stop video chat
640[07:01:34] <ozzloy> right now he would need to open the laptop, then hit space or enter
641[07:01:46] <ozzloy> which is good, but could be better
646[07:06:16] <uso> I can start an X server from the console with startx, but not anymore with xinit. startx is only a shell script, a wrapper around xinit, as far as I understand it. What is the difference that startx has the permission to start an X server, but not xinit?
651[07:09:19] <uso> jim: yes, that's my question, why does the start succeed with startx, but fails when I run xinit directly (with a permission denied failure).
667[07:23:22] <Portland> evilbug: less mission creep
668[07:23:26] <genr8_> lots of nerds, less noobs, very old, large community, focus on vetting stable packages and actually testing things before its released
669[07:23:32] <jim> evilbug, attention to detail?
670[07:23:51] <genr8_> it might not be the best but its close
671[07:24:12] <evilbug> :D
672[07:24:51] <genr8_> i decided i gotta learn as many distros that have a chance of being good as possible. otherwise i'll never really know whats best. everyone has a different mentality
673[07:25:43] <genr8_> i spent a ton of years ignoring linux and hoping it would sort itself out. it didnt. it just got more splintered
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675[07:26:01] <evilbug> as far as i've seen in the past 10+ years is that it's either debian or cent. arch if you don't have anything else to do other than troubleshoot.
676[07:26:06] <Arahael> In that case, don't forget to try really unique distros, such as ElementaryOS, NixOS, etc.
682[07:28:37] <evilbug> i've tried ubuntu, arch, suse, and gentoo but never as a main os. ubuntu ended up being my main dev vm but then i decided to just go to deb.
683[07:28:38] <genr8_> i'll figure out the best distro by using IRC :P
684[07:28:47] <evilbug> been on deb for the past 5 years.
687[07:30:58] <evilbug> genr8_: so what's your deb and freebsd separation?
688[07:31:59] <orange_romeda> i read biella coleman's book 'coding freedom' and that lead me to Debian and linux in general. I'm still basically a n00b though.
689[07:33:12] <evilbug> it's nice that spotify also has a native deb option.
723[08:09:21] <ozzloy> i also do not enjoy alcohol. however, i do like being drunk with friends from time to time. so when i drink, i drink to get drunk. so i have hard liquor only
727[08:12:48] <genr8_> plain green. i heard they came out with a new 50 flavors mountain dew for MURICA. but im suspicious of it lol. my friend said it tasted chemicaly
729[08:13:33] <SpeedyG> never liked the green ones.. had code red several times when I was in the US but learned they discontinued it (at least for europe :( )
730[08:13:56] <genr8_> I know im gonna get told to go into the offtopic channel so im just gonna go ahead and do that now.
759[08:54:46] <bochku> does anyone know what usb 1-4 even refers to? seems like the bluetooth. It stopped commplaining when I turned off the bluetooth, and everything cooled down
903[12:26:38] <mniip> quadrathoch2, that has the consequence that if the package has already been installed, and it has been manually installed, it will be marked as auto now
1007[15:14:13] <annadane> btw, given your tendency to run... interesting deviations of debian, you should know nano is typically installed by default on a debian system
1010[15:16:58] <kreyren> annadane, this is for enforced apt function replaced-url
1011[15:17:07] <kreyren> so that apt doesn't call apt update when it's not needed (for privacy reasons)
1012[15:17:30] <quadrathoch2> kreyren with no database you can't look up stuff kreyren smh
1013[15:17:48] <kreyren> quadrathoch2, How do i check that there is no database
1014[15:18:09] <kreyren> no database -> apt not synced?
1015[15:18:16] <quadrathoch2> what privacy issues are you trying to solve?
1016[15:18:33] <kreyren> quadrathoch2, pinging apt repositories when you don't need to update apt to install package
1017[15:18:54] <quadrathoch2> kreyren apt policy never updates the database?
1018[15:18:59] <kreyren> also saves around 5 seconds on average
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1020[15:19:05] <kreyren> quadrathoch2, eh?
1021[15:19:40] <ratrace> kreyren: apt doesn't call update on its own, eg through install or upgrade
1022[15:19:44] <quadrathoch2> what is there not to understand. apt policy <package> will never invoke apt update
1023[15:20:09] <kreyren> ratrace, that's what i am trying to avoid (apt failure to install package because it needs apt update)
1024[15:20:24] <quadrathoch2> ... no comment... let's move on
1025[15:20:25] <kreyren> quadrathoch2, eh? how is that relevant?
1026[15:20:26] <ratrace> kreyren: in fact, that's somewhat wrong, there may be apt crons that do nightly updates but I don't think they're installed by default, except through things like gnome (via unattended-upgrades or somesuch)
1027[15:20:51] <ratrace> kreyren: if a package changes eg version since your last update, apt install will fail
1028[15:21:08] <ratrace> but I fail to see the point of using apt install that reaches out to the network, and not allowing update to do that
1029[15:21:10] <kreyren> ratrace, so i have to always invoke apt update to ensure that apt install doesn't fail?
1048[15:24:26] <quadrathoch2> that's what I am trying to understand
1049[15:24:46] <quadrathoch2> kreyren, hope you are better in english than me, as it's not my first language
1050[15:24:51] <kreyren> ratrace, it can be avoided for example if nano is already cached on the system
1051[15:25:06] <kreyren> quadrathoch2, o.o
1052[15:25:20] <ratrace> kreyren: then apt install won't fail
1053[15:25:22] <quadrathoch2> sorry for typing the wrong word
1054[15:25:30] <kreyren> ratrace, wat
1055[15:25:53] <kreyren> ah
1056[15:25:54] <ratrace> kreyren: if you update once, and populate your /var/cache/apt with packages, and the db doesn't change by an explicit update, it can exist like that forever
1057[15:26:21] <ratrace> if you run "apt install foo" and foo exists in the cache, at the version that your apt DB expects it, it won't fail
1058[15:26:39] <quadrathoch2> I am still wondering why we help kreyren as he doesn't use debian
1059[15:26:46] <ratrace> so, technically, in theory, it's possible to prefetch the db and cache and never go out online to fetch an install again
1060[15:26:48] <kreyren> ratrace, so if there is a /var/cache/apt/nano.. then apt can install it? and /var/cache/apt is fetched by 'apt-get update' ?
1062[15:27:14] <ratrace> kreyren: no, by apt-get (note: apt-get vs. apt (that won't cache packages))
1063[15:27:34] <kreyren> quadrathoch2, i use debian, that doesn't mean that i can't make scripts that work on other kernels and distributions, see GNU platforms philosophy
1064[15:27:44] <ratrace> apt update refreshes the databases at I _think_ /var/lib/apt
1067[15:28:39] <ratrace> kreyren: however in light of your tor usage elsewere talked in another chan few days ago, note that you can use apt proxy somewhere.... for "privacy reasons"
1069[15:29:31] <kreyren> ratrace, that's also expected but not a concern atm i just want to avoid invoking `apt{,-get} update` where possible
1070[15:29:52] <ratrace> kreyren: in normal operations that's unsupported
1071[15:30:02] <ratrace> (that == running apt without an up to date database)
1072[15:30:15] <kreyren> ratrace, afaik not unsupported assuming package apt-transport-tor being a thing
1073[15:30:25] <kreyren> ratrace, ah i see
1074[15:30:32] <ratrace> you can do it once for first update, prefetch the cache somehow, but over time versions will change and your local db will deteriorate
1109[15:42:00] <JPT> Unless your requirements actually state timing conditions for your code, you should care about literally everything else first. E.g. documentation, readability and maintainability, ...
1110[15:43:21] <JPT> I recall a student project i was working on, and - while we were still figuring out what we actually wanted to do - i already had to stop other people thinking about performance.
1111[15:43:37] <themill> FTR much of the work I do atm is about nanosecond timing and the priorities are still documentation, readability and maintainability.
1112[15:43:44] <ratrace> premature optimizations usually plagues novice developers
1114[15:44:49] <ratrace> you've wasted 40*60 seconds now, trying to save 5 for each 86400; that means your effort will pay off after 480 days, if you stop NOW
1115[15:45:24] <ratrace> after 40 more minutes of chasing this, your efforts will pay off after 2.63 years....
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1119[15:48:18] <zeroed> Hello, I would like to know the difference between systemd-resolved and resolvconf (similarly as the difference between systemd-networkd and networking) because I would like to understand if they can / should / must be running at the same time on a system. Thank you in advance.
1120[15:50:10] <ratrace> zeroed: systemd-resolved is a stub resolver; resolvconf is a framework that sets up resolv.conf from multiple sources
1125[15:51:55] <ratrace> I think systemd-resolved is making resolvconf obsolete in a way, but in theory they can coexist because they have different roles.
1126[15:52:53] <ratrace> as for systemd-networkd vs networking(.service, which on debian by default uses ifupdown ie interfaces(5) framework) , they're two mechanisms with the same role: to set up networking, and can't really operate at the same time
1128[15:55:19] <zeroed> ratrace: Thank you so much. This makes totally sense. I had the same feeling (not so clearly expressed as you did) and I was indeed looking for confirmation especially about the coesistence.
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1130[15:56:48] <zeroed> I think I stumbled upon a confused situation where too many "network" services were installed and I got confused myself.
1132[15:58:48] <ratrace> they can coexist on disk (and do, systemd-networkd is present on debian even if it uses ifupdown) but can't operate at the same time, at least not on the same NICs
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1153[16:37:09] <graphicsv> Ok. I found out the problem with aufs. aufs-dkms is conflicting with pristine kernel aufs - How can I mitigate this? Should I just not patch my pristine kernel with it or just leave it? This is the error I'm getting: replaced-url
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1186[16:42:47] <quadrathoch2> d3vnull if you say so, go back to ubuntu which is based on debian smh
1187[16:43:21] <graphicsv> Don't you dare compare Ubuntu with Debian. Debian is the father of all distros. It's the only distro that simply works and it's reliable
1234[17:08:33] <ax562> What happens when my gpu is not in replaced-url
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1236[17:13:03] <ax562> Let me rephrase that, What would be the best method of installing gpu drivers for this setup? 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller [8086:0166] (rev 09)01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GK104GLM [Quadro K4000M] [10de:11bd] (rev a1)
1250[17:22:42] <quadrathoch2> it's even the same driver version ax562
1251[17:23:02] <ax562> wait what?
1252[17:23:29] <quadrathoch2> and btw, with installing the sh from nvidia directly, you would have an unsupported debian system ;)
1253[17:23:43] <ax562> I apt-cache search and didn't come up with anything
1254[17:23:55] <ax562> ok cool
1255[17:23:58] <quadrathoch2> ax562 did you enable contrib non-free repositories?
1256[17:24:48] <ax562> I honestly didn't really know what I was getting into with Debian. I thought .deb packages were universal, so I was like hey, lets' try debian, I already have a bunch of ubuntu .deb pakages
1257[17:24:57] <ax562> no
1258[17:25:02] <ax562> let me do that
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1262[17:26:55] <BuzzardBuzz> I have a Hyper-V VM install of Deb10 - it worked fine for many months as a Next Cloud webserver - Now it boot up to a busy box and does not respond to keyboard inputs - is there a way to fix it back to working again or is it best to just reinstall debian 10 again?
1263[17:27:14] <quadrathoch2> you would need to apt update to find the new packages ax562 :)
1274[17:29:39] <BuzzardBuzz> Is that what you recommend?
1275[17:30:18] <quadrathoch2> idk, as we are a debian support channel not windows. and btw, debian uses the windows kernel, so i'm pretty sure it's a windows bug
1276[17:30:23] <ax562> ok, now I have nvidia-detect
1312[17:38:14] <Pr0metheus> Is it possible to mount read/write a ufs2 partition?
1313[17:38:38] <kreyren> quadrathoch2, seems to work, thanks ^-^
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1315[17:39:56] <quadrathoch2> Pr0metheus it should work
1316[17:41:14] <ax562> Who's getting that covid vaccination? or is that way off topic lol
1317[17:41:22] <kreyren> What is the recommended way to remove files generated by debootstrap? i am using 'rm -rf path' which generates: rm: cannot remove 'tarbals/debian/proc/7900/task/7912/sessionid': Operation not permitted'
1342[17:45:18] <kreyren> annadane, my end is debian without systemd~
1343[17:45:26] <themill> kreyren: the fact that you need to add that last line indicates, once again, that you should not be asking things in #debian
1344[17:46:31] <quadrathoch2> I am still wondered why kreyren is not outright banned/autosilenced. As we know he will never be here with a normal debian setup
1345[17:46:49] <kreyren> it's as normal as it gets!~
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1347[17:47:17] <kreyren> but i think my logic in a script is wrong because this is called from a script~
1348[17:47:44] <themill> which leaves us back with deboostrap not touching /proc and you making stuff up. again.
1349[17:48:03] <kreyren> themill, checking..
1350[17:48:18] <kreyren> takes a long time to build a system that i didn't touch and i didn't cache that process yet >.>
1351[17:48:18] <themill> Any thoughts about why #debian is bored of this?
1352[17:48:46] <kreyren> themill, because debian is turning into a darwin den about to ban users who mess with four freedom respecting software~
1353[17:48:53] <annadane> .......
1354[17:49:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1133
1355[17:49:05] <annadane> first of all piss off the the ~, secondly go away
1356[17:49:08] <annadane> with the*
1357[17:49:14] <kreyren> fair enough >.>
1358[17:49:41] <themill> kreyren: no, it's bored with people making up nonsense and not even doing the slightest amount of debugging before claiming it's everyone else's fault
1359[17:49:56] <quadrathoch2> just create your own distro and leave us alone in our totalitarian distribution :p
1360[17:50:02] <kreyren> themill, i woudn't have to do this if debian worked by default without systemd..
1364[17:50:19] *** kreyren was kicked by themill (On the Internet nobody can hear you being subtle.)
1365[17:50:21] <themill> it does
1366[17:50:22] *** themill sets mode: -o themill
1367[17:52:07] <annadane> so kreyren has the wherewithal to research all of his "special sauce" debian stuff but not to research that you actually can use it without systemd
1368[17:52:17] <annadane> perhaps not as smooth, but to not even be aware of the possibility?
1369[17:52:51] <annadane> unless he meant "but not as well as with systemd because systemd has effectively taken over the ecosystem", but then again it's kreyren and he could mean anything
1397[18:03:23] <annadane> cfoch, btw for further questions you can ask #debian-mentors for packages meant for inclusion in debian or #packaging (both on the irc.oftc.net network) for packages for self-use
1398[18:03:40] <annadane> the lintian package among others, can also help you
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1400[18:07:19] <annadane> and devscripts, but presumably all this is mentioned in the guides
1401[18:07:38] <jak2000> how to install Java8 on debian 10?
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1405[18:09:29] <ax562> how long does debian support buster?
1406[18:09:56] <graphicsv> ax562: At least a decade
1407[18:10:09] <annadane> 2 years of full support, then 1 year of full support after bullseye gets released (next summer sometime), then long term support for more server packages
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1416[18:11:52] <ax562> well, what are the benifits
1417[18:12:02] <ax562> I honestly didn't know stretch existed
1418[18:12:17] <ax562> It looks like that version has longer support?
1419[18:12:24] <annadane> well, you get security support for all packages, like i said, lts (which stretch is now under) doesn't get full support for every package
1420[18:12:33] <annadane> plus newer packages generally
1436[18:17:53] <annadane> jak2000, YMMV but there's replaced-url
1437[18:18:20] <jak2000> annadane thanks
1438[18:18:26] <Pr0metheus> Guys any idea why I get this: mount: /mnt/Other: WARNING: device write-protected, mounted read-only. <---in debian website it points to kernel and there it says ufs2 supports r/w (replaced-url
1439[18:18:28] <annadane> although for anything specific you need to run i would suppose you can specify the java version for that specific application
1440[18:18:29] <jak2000> other question, how to remove completly all java ?
1441[18:18:33] <annadane> as opposed to messing around with defaults
1442[18:18:55] <annadane> see what's installed via dpkg -l *jdk* *jre* and just remove them
1443[18:19:24] <annadane> i suppose it's also possible to compile java and do it that way, re: your question about java 8
1444[18:19:31] <ax562> I noticed that when I install any package using apt I get "libdvd-pkg: Checking orig.tar integrity.../usr/src/libdvd-pkg/libdvdcss_1.4.2.orig.tar.bz2: OKlibdvd-pkg: `apt-get check` failed, you may have broken packages. Aborting..."
1445[18:19:34] <ax562> is this normal?
1446[18:19:38] <annadane> though that's probably not great from a security standpoint
1447[18:21:22] <annadane> unless debian has a java manager (like virtualenv's allow you to use different python versions) i'm not aware of
1448[18:21:24] <annadane> it probably does
1449[18:21:28] <annadane> and if it does you should use that
1454[18:27:19] <jim> I want to back up my new laptop, after wiping windows completely and installing linux, can I start wireless networking in single user mode?
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1469[18:37:08] <annadane> jak2000, also make sure the reason you need java 8 isn't because some piece of software you're trying to use says "requires java 8" because that can easily mean "requires at least java 8" when java 11 will work fine
1529[19:37:28] <SanchoPensa> I would kindly like to ask you for assistance with the following rather unsettling issue:
1530[19:38:26] <SanchoPensa> I recently discovered some unexplicable network traffic: I run a router with port forwarding, yet still I keep getting traffic FROM and TO my computer on a port, that isn't even remotely forwarded.
1531[19:39:13] <SanchoPensa> nethogs tells me, the PID of the process is "?" and the owner of the process is root. Which of course gives special reason for concern
1532[19:40:06] <annadane> no idea, but may be time for a reinstall, sadly
1533[19:40:14] <annadane> others can answer more specifically of course
1534[19:40:17] <SanchoPensa> a whois to the periodically chaning source IPs gives rather concise answers, once it is an adress in the netherlands, then again in some business park in new dehli
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1536[19:41:13] <SanchoPensa> the amount of traffic is in extraordinary low rates, according to nethogs and iftop it is around 0,003 KB/s
1538[19:43:26] <SanchoPensa> the destination port, however is always the same: 56576 with google being inconclusive as to what to expect behind that port.
1539[19:43:43] <SanchoPensa> what on earth is going on?
1601[20:52:06] <graphicsv> I installed Liquorix kernel and it has the option that I need plus low-latency settings. Can I remove Debian's default kernel? (4.19.0)
1653[21:51:15] <poet> Hello, I'm trying to update Debian 10. When I run 'apt-get update' I get the following error message (and other similar ones):
1654[21:51:20] <poet> W: Target Packages (main/binary-amd64/Packages) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list:1 and /etc/apt/sources.list:10
1655[21:51:49] <poet> Any help fixing this would be genuinely appreciated.
1656[21:52:29] <jmcnaught> poet: that's just a warning, looks like you have duplicate lines in your sources.list (lines 1 and 10)
1657[21:52:32] <quadrathoch2> poet you have a repository multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list
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1664[21:53:38] <poet> quadrathoch2: Thank you. =)
1665[21:53:57] <sney> !warning
1666[21:53:57] <dpkg> Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy.
1673[21:58:26] <quadrathoch2> poet do you want contrib and nonfree? if yes you would need to edit it (you can just add them after main (all of them))
1674[21:58:34] <somiaj> poet: if you want access to 'contrib' and 'non-free' just append those to each and every line you have in that sources.list
1675[21:58:41] <somiaj> poet: you don't need a new line for that.
1676[21:58:44] <poet> I try to not use non-free but I had to once.
1677[21:59:28] <somiaj> if you have non-free software currently installed, you should at least keep the sources around for updates. Packages in main won't pull stuff from non-free, so you can check if something is free or not before installing it
1678[21:59:57] <poet> quadrathoch2 and somiaj: Okay I will edit accordingly and let you know. Thank you for your help.
1679[22:03:52] <oxek> is anyone seriously running debian without non-free contrib?
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1681[22:05:06] <somiaj> it is hard to escape some of the firmware, but many besides for firmware most likely are, and I'm sure some are using purely open firmware hardware
1682[22:05:43] <somiaj> though it is hard to get away from firmare with microcode, wifi, and modern gpus
1717[22:36:22] <KOLANICH> quadrathoch2: I don't have a salsa account, and since that GH repo looks like a repo of the current maintainer of dpkg, I have sent the patches there
1718[22:36:57] <evilbug> do any of you also use freebsd?
1725[22:40:35] <poet> Okay, I ran 'apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade' yet 'lsb_release -a' says I'm still at 10.0 instead of 10.4...
1726[22:41:01] <sney> what's in /etc/debian_version? lsb_release is deprecated
1727[22:42:30] <poet> sney: Oh, okay! /etc/debian_version says 10.4. I didn't know lsb_release was depreciated. Thank you for your help. =)
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1729[22:42:40] <sney> np
1730[22:43:02] <annadane> i think freebsd's pkg and debian's apt are roughly the same
1735[22:43:37] <annadane> with the caveat that freebsd uses ports that are upgraded independently of the base system
1736[22:43:56] <annadane> you can always spin up a vm and try stuff
1737[22:46:06] <evilbug> annadane: i know, i'm even in #freebsd. upgrading from 12.0 to 12.1 is taking forever on a similar specced vm i have with deb. over 10 minutes now and still stuck on "preparing to download"...
1747[22:52:47] <sney> I was going to say "there's always the kfreebsd port" but I guess there isn't anymore
1748[22:53:31] <quadrathoch2> sney yeah there was not enough interest :(
1749[22:53:41] <annadane> once fbsd has a "quickstart desktop setup guide" that isn't impossible then i will *maybe* consider it
1750[22:54:02] <Jemt> Hi. For some reason clamav-daemon won't start. `systemctl restart clamav-daemon` outputs the following error: "Failed to restart clamav-daemon.service: Unit clamav-daemon.service is masked.". If I do `dpkg --get-selections | grep -i clamav` I get a list where clamav-daemon is marked "deinstall". Is this the cause of the problem?
1751[22:54:26] <quadrathoch2> annadane imho they gave up desktop (they even killed the desktop distribution because of server features)
1756[22:55:44] <Logg> Jemt, purge it and try installing the package again?
1757[22:56:36] <Jemt> I suppose I could - I just wonder what happend. Thanks though, Logg :)
1758[22:56:58] <quadrathoch2> Jemt look into systemctl mask <service> ;)
1759[22:57:02] <Logg> Jemt, I suggested that because I suspect the config file is no longer compatible. If you read the changelog you can see why probably
1760[22:57:40] <evilbug> i wouldn't consider freebsd as a desktop. just tried it a couple of days back and i'm not trying to run arch.
1761[22:58:12] <evilbug> for a headless though i would've expected some basic functions to be easier than they actually are.
1762[22:58:17] <Jemt> Good suggestion - thanks again Logg - and quadrathoch2 :)
1765[22:59:13] <evilbug> not having pkg installed by default for example, then the upgrade process between minor versions feels more convoluted than upgrading deb to a major version.
1766[22:59:33] <evilbug> imagine apt not being there by default in deb.
1767[23:00:04] <quadrathoch2> evilbug oO pkg is in freebsd base install, so no idea what you are talking about, but still offtopic
1768[23:00:40] <evilbug> not from what i've seen. it'll install if you try to run it but it's not there by default.
1783[23:07:31] <istrive> I need to get rid of DHCP. I set my two nicks to Static IP on /etc/interfaces (set the interface down first ip link set eno1/2 down) but when I reboot the nic2 still gets a dhcp address! what am I missing?
1784[23:07:53] <ax562> sney because I boot up dolphin-emu and it tells me im running my intel cpue
1788[23:08:20] <dpkg> The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <stretch> and <buster> and <bullseye>. replaced-url
1789[23:08:31] <ax562> and when I go into settings details, it says im on intel gpu as well
1790[23:08:37] <evilbug> istrive: you mean /etc/network/interfaces
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1792[23:10:18] <sney> istrive: pastebin your interfaces file, please
1793[23:10:33] <ax562> "lspci -nn | grep '\[030[02]\]" does not work
1795[23:11:06] <sney> ax562: if you already know that your laptop has both an intel gpu and a nvidia gpu, then you can skip that step and just read the wiki page.
1796[23:11:17] <ax562> I went on the "optimus" link I was given earlier and my gpu was not listed
1797[23:11:18] <evilbug> sney: loool wasn't pastebin considered the devil for a few years now?
1798[23:11:33] <evilbug> sney: or is that like using "kleenex" for tissue nowadays?
1799[23:11:34] <ax562> sney which one?
1800[23:11:59] <sney> evilbug: "pastebin" is the generic term for a website where you can share text, yes. pastebin.com does not have a monopoly on the term.
1803[23:12:38] <evilbug> sney: i've been away from the scene for a couple of years but i actually used a pastebin link 3-4 years ago for something somebody crucified the living jesus out of me.
1804[23:13:18] <dvs> evilbug, use paste.debian.org
1805[23:13:31] <sney> ax562: quadro gpus are not always documented but they come from the same designs as geforce gpus that probably are listed. REGARDLESS, if your system is multiplexing an intel gpu and a nvidia gpu, bumblebee is what you need. period.
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1807[23:13:59] <evilbug> dvs: i know, just saying :D
1811[23:14:50] <istrive> this is the /etc/network/interfaces
1812[23:15:05] <ax562> so the nvidia-driver does not work?
1813[23:15:21] <sney> ax562: you don't seem to be reading anything, so I'll just leave you to your own devices
1814[23:15:41] <ax562> sney I'm asking a question from what I just read
1815[23:15:47] <ax562> no need for an attitude
1816[23:16:23] <KOLANICH> quadrathoch2: I have sent the patches to the mailing list.
1817[23:16:34] <quadrathoch2> great thanks KOLANICH
1818[23:17:41] <sney> so where did you get "does not work" from? I am now telling you for the 3rd time: your hardware requires bumblebee, which has instructions on wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee, nouveau and nvidia-driver are both options, read the instructions.
1819[23:18:52] <sney> istrive: that should be fine, redacting private addresses is an odd choice, but anyway - which interface is getting a dynamic address against your wishes?
1827[23:24:06] <sney> ax562: some optimus laptop models only support using the nvidia gpu in windows. no optimus laptop supports using the nvidia gpu without bumblebee. you have to try the bumblebee instructions to find out which one you have.
1828[23:24:26] <sney> istrive: which interface is getting a dynamic address? is it the host nic or the virtual one?
1829[23:24:33] <istrive> the eno2
1830[23:25:29] <sney> so that's a bridge supported by the vbox utils, right? network-manager ignores any interfaces specified in /etc/network/interfaces, so unless you have some other network daemon running, it's most likely virtualbox doing something sneaky.
1832[23:27:27] <istrive> it gets the static IP as defined in the interfaces, but also an extra from the DHCP... What is going on? I even removed the NetworkManager
1833[23:27:38] <tomreyn> ax562: you can also use DRI PRIME if using the nouveau drivers.
1835[23:28:09] <sney> istrive: step 1: are you *sure* it is from dhcp? there's more than one way to dynamically assign an address, especially on a virtual interface.
1843[23:29:29] <istrive> this is the host system, the eno2 is shared to the vms to connect to the LAN, but the address here is not linked to any vms (and the network settings to the vms is as bridge)
1844[23:30:23] <RoyK> istrive: have you setup briding? br0, for instance