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61 [01:03:11] <jaggz> how do you get apt to install dependencies that "is not going to be installed"?
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64 [01:04:30] <jaggz> oh, nevermind. there was another program that had a broken dep. it was refusing because of that one. removing that thing and the other accepted and installed the deps with the normal "yes" answer
65 [01:05:02] <mutante> jaggz: great, was about to ask if you have mixed distros in APT sources
66 [01:05:39] <jaggz> mutante, thanks :)
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130 [02:08:27] <lewie67[p]> has anyone here used foreman to successfully preseed an ubuntu 20.04 host?
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132 [02:08:39] <lewie67[p]> I'm having a networking issue upon first boot after build and I think i'm close to solving it but I don't know enough about ubuntu's networking configuration options to get over the hump
133 [02:08:50] <lewie67[p]> I was seeking help on the #ubuntu channel and they got me close, but i'm still a bit stuck...I think I want to use NetworkManager to manage the wired interfaces, but on first boot after build there is an /etc/network/interfaces file that disrupts NM's ability to manage the interface
134 [02:08:59] <lewie67[p]> I've tried using late_command in preseed to just trash the interfaces file but it still shows up...
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138 [02:12:31] <tinfoil-hat> Hey, does anybody know how a cronjob for newsboat could possibly look like?
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141 [02:15:13] <sney> I think systemd timers are supposed to replace cron, but I always just put shell scripts in /etc/cron.(period) anyway. can't remember the last time I actually made a cron entry manually
142 [02:15:56] <tinfoil-hat> I mean the command that would trigger newsboat to fetch the urls
143 [02:16:06] <mutante> tinfoil-hat: reload ?
144 [02:16:12] <tinfoil-hat> I'd go with crontab -e
145 [02:16:22] <tinfoil-hat> oh ....
146 [02:17:02] <tinfoil-hat> mutante: thank you!
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148 [02:17:52] <mutante> tinfoil-hat: ;)
149 [02:18:44] <tinfoil-hat> I am such a dumbass, I have it right here infornt of me in the manpage :(
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151 [02:19:20] <mutante> tinfoil-hat: np, just remember when you put it in cron you probably want to make it silent and redirect the output
152 [02:19:27] <mutante> or you might get mail spam
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154 [02:19:39] <tinfoil-hat> ok, thanks
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163 [02:39:10] <atlizz> hello , how could i make some service on my own? by executing mongod service with certain parameters?
164 [02:39:33] <atlizz> since it wont read the mongod.conf properly..it just works if i run it with the parameters
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166 [02:39:51] <atlizz> but its over when bash session expires
167 [02:40:11] <atlizz> is it possible to create autorun service with a command?
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179 [02:45:50] <jadax> I have a laptop with 2 physical ethernet interfaces, I need to turn it into a wiretap to sniff traffic between my gateway and ONT. I'm following this tutorial to set up the bridge: replaced-url
180 [02:46:18] <jadax> the question is - why would that bridge need IP address or any of that data? I just want to make it dumb wiretap that doesn't interfere with the traffic whatsoever
181 [02:46:36] <jadax> all I want is to be able to have pass-through between the 2 interfaces and listen on the traffic with wireshark
182 [02:46:40] <jadax> how do I approach it?
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187 [02:56:35] <jak2000> hi all, how to install java8 on a debian10? thanks
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190 [03:08:06] <istrive> hello all, Good to be back!
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193 [03:09:11] <ndegruchy> jak2000: you should just be able to download the tarball and extract it to somewhere like /opt
194 [03:09:26] <ndegruchy> it doesn't look like they have a deb package, just RPM
195 [03:09:28] <istrive> I have a script to send me nofications from logins, either local or remove (ssh/vnc) but locally it only triggers if over tty, what's goin on?
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199 [03:12:02] <oblio> howdy - i'm juggling w trying to use rtl8xxxu and there is this option for your device.
200 [03:12:05] <oblio> Wireless network interface configuration can be performed using a connection manager (such as NetworkManager) or through Debian's /etc/network/interfaces file with a special purpose utility (such as wpa_supplicant). Examples of NetworkManager and wpa_supplicant configuration are described below.
201 [03:12:11] <oblio> oops
202 [03:12:12] <oblio> maligned copy/paste, apologies
203 [03:12:32] <oblio> there is this option RTL8XXXU_UNTESTED for the driver i need to enable, is that a sysctl situation? or kernel arg?
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205 [03:15:23] <ndegruchy> jadax: You would need to have an ip on both ends of the bridge to direct traffic to (in and out). Otherwise you'd want to setup a port on your switch (managed) to trunk the ports your interested in inspecting traffic on
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209 [03:16:33] <istrive> this is the script in the /etc/profile replaced-url
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216 [03:19:38] <oblio> trying to follow this -> and it says "make sure your kernel enables CONFIG_RTL8XXXU_UNTESTED" but i have no direct concept on how to do that
217 [03:19:41] <oblio> If your device is not detected, make sure that your kernel enables CONFIG_RTL8XXXU_UNTESTED
218 [03:20:01] <oblio> wow i'm not typing good, from here -> replaced-url
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221 [03:26:55] <istrive> any ideas?
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271 [04:39:55] <tux_de_botina> hi
272 [04:40:48] <tux_de_botina> somebody can say to me, how I can be a package maintainer ?
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274 [04:42:00] <dvs> !nmg
275 [04:42:01] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
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278 [04:45:14] <tux_de_botina> dpkg: thanks ;D
279 [04:45:14] <dpkg> my pleasure, tux_de_botina
280 [04:45:32] <annadane> you're speaking to a bot
281 [04:45:43] <annadane> thank dvs instead :P
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284 [04:47:04] <annadane> dpkg -r dpkgbot
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286 [04:47:21] <annadane> ow
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305 [05:19:54] <Robby> so I updated a debian buster server that is a Xen host, rebooted it, now the VMs wont come up..... F in the chat
306 [05:22:57] <annadane> no idea where those logs are so can't really help :P
307 [05:23:08] <annadane> maybe the man page can tell you
308 [05:23:59] <Robby> I'm actually looking at all the logs I can
309 [05:24:12] <Robby> dmesg, journalctl -e, /var/log/xen/*
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311 [05:24:23] <Robby> nothing that really says anything useful
312 [05:24:25] <Robby> at all
313 [05:24:26] <Robby> :/
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315 [05:24:58] <Robby> its really odd
316 [05:25:18] <annadane> damn it debian you're supposed to be stable!
317 [05:25:35] <Robby> yeah.... thats what has me stumped
318 [05:25:58] <Robby> i updated as i always did, only today... F
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322 [05:29:08] <Robby> so now I'm skimming through replaced-url
323 [05:29:20] <Robby> seeing if anything there might have caused this
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365 [06:40:07] <Robby> alright, figured it out, sorta
366 [06:40:14] <Robby> its the qemu packages
367 [06:40:34] <Robby> I downgraded those and the VMs are coming back on
368 [06:41:24] <Robby> should probably file a bugreport about this, but idk the cause
369 [06:41:28] <Robby> logs were useless
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396 [07:20:35] <Robby> replaced-url
397 [07:20:36] <judd> Bug replaced-url
398 [07:20:40] <Robby> this is it, fyi
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412 [07:38:02] <jadax> how do I force dhcp release and renew on debian 10?
413 [07:38:22] <jadax> I have stale dhcp lease on ethernet interface
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415 [07:38:47] <jim> what dhcp client do you use?
416 [07:40:45] <jim> jadax, ^^
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424 [07:54:59] <atlizz> guys, after fixing a error on mongod.conf file, service seems inactive and i cant start it anymore. something is wrong with the unit. I can run mongod manually specifying the options as parameters, but everytime i try to use the config file computer says no, it wont give any error message this time
425 [07:55:33] <atlizz> it used to give error of syntax of conf file, but I fixed as valid YAML conf file format
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427 [07:58:39] <Chevver> Probably the file permissions were changed when you didted and saved it
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431 [07:59:39] <atlizz> the conf file?
432 [07:59:44] <atlizz> its 644
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434 [07:59:49] <atlizz> should i change it?
435 [07:59:59] <fredl> Not really a Debian question... but would anybody try 'n help me troubleshoot a DNS problem I'm having?
436 [08:00:01] <Chevver> well what was the original value
437 [08:00:16] <fredl> Coz I'm totally flabbergasted
438 [08:00:18] <atlizz> no idea
439 [08:00:24] <atlizz> but i see other conf files the same values
440 [08:00:39] <Chevver> well I think thats probably it. can you obtain a stock conf and comapre the values?
441 [08:01:00] <atlizz> fred in all cases is better to shoot the question
442 [08:01:13] <Chevver> because if the service wont start it likely cant parse the conf, and if everyhing is kosher in its format like you said it probably cant see it
443 [08:01:27] <fredl> I have a domain, panamaopenair.com, its whois info looks just peachy... querying the NS directly works find, but somehow the TLD servers won't give back any replies
444 [08:02:17] <atlizz> Chevver: if i try sudo systemctl enable mongod
445 [08:02:21] <atlizz> or mongod.service
446 [08:02:24] <atlizz> it wont autocomplete
447 [08:02:37] <atlizz> if i manually type it, it says nothing, like okay
448 [08:02:42] <Chevver> yes I understand that
449 [08:03:04] <Chevver> try opening a terminal and running journalctl -xe -f
450 [08:03:05] <atlizz> if i type nkfosadnf.service it fails
451 [08:03:12] <Chevver> and the trying to start the service
452 [08:03:15] <atlizz> but if i type mongod.service it wont fail, but also dont say nothing
453 [08:03:21] <atlizz> oki
454 [08:03:26] <Chevver> it should spit out the exact error
455 [08:03:35] <atlizz> thanks a lot
456 [08:03:40] <Chevver> might have to look throught the output though
457 [08:03:43] <Chevver> no prob
458 [08:04:33] <Chevver> also found this, seems to be a bug gthat the mongod conf is getting its user/group messed up replaced-url
459 [08:04:58] <hotbot> fredl: it's replying to me
460 [08:05:19] <hotbot> no NS
461 [08:05:26] <Chevver> altlizz: idk if it helps but seems to be the issue I suspected, eitherway looking at the journalctl will help
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463 [08:05:53] <fredl> hotbot - that's the problem, but if you query the DNS servers for this domain you'll see they exist
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465 [08:06:38] <fredl> hotbot: dig panamaopenair.com @auth02.dns.trueserver.nl ns +short
466 [08:07:19] <atlizz> Chevver: that means 2 sessions opened , right?
467 [08:07:32] <atlizz> for the journal test
468 [08:08:40] <hotbot> fredl: where did you configure auth02.dns.trueserver.nl to be its DNS server?
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470 [08:09:18] <fredl> well that's in the whois DB right
471 [08:09:23] <hotbot> nvm I see it in whois
472 [08:09:40] <hotbot> since Updated Date: 2020-07-22T21:21:51Z
473 [08:10:06] <hotbot> ?
474 [08:10:09] <fredl> its almost like this might be a gtld issue
475 [08:10:20] <hotbot> almost
476 [08:10:46] <hotbot> prob only because we're not so smart about DNS, the rest of the internet seems to be fine
477 [08:11:00] <hotbot> I don't know 2 days is a long time
478 [08:11:14] <hotbot> it is a long time for domain NS to propagate
479 [08:11:38] <fredl> TTLS for all the records in that domain is set to 86400 (24h)
480 [08:11:48] <hotbot> ah yeah
481 [08:11:52] <hotbot> that must be it
482 [08:12:14] <fredl> well it's july 24th here :)
483 [08:13:06] <fredl> other than that the NS records haven't changed so even when it's a propagation problem, those records were there
484 [08:13:08] <hotbot> my DNS skills aren't exactly fresh either
485 [08:13:25] <hotbot> ah yeah they were there
486 [08:13:40] <hotbot> but if the gtld removed them they must have not been there for some time no?
487 [08:14:24] <fredl> I'd say, but they were there since inception so somehow gtld got records without NS servers
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492 [08:16:22] <hotbot> fredl: wish I could've been more useful, maybe ask in #bind
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494 [08:17:56] <fredl> no prob, tnx for trying anyway hotbot
495 [08:20:22] <magyar> hi, how can I decrypt tcpdump packets that I capture on a server
496 [08:20:32] <magyar> ?
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507 [08:28:51] <Ashleee> wireshark
508 [08:29:33] <magyar> Ashleee: what about serverside?
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511 [08:31:17] <Ashleee> uh :) never tried that tbh
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513 [08:32:47] <Ashleee> you can probably just use tcpdump to read it back
514 [08:32:55] <Ashleee> via -r flag
515 [08:33:17] <Ashleee> (but scp and wireshark ftw)
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517 [08:34:13] <Unit193> tcpdump?
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520 [08:34:28] <Unit193> Pardon me, I was scrolled up it seems.
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533 [08:50:57] <atlizz> what happen if i did by accident sudo rm -R /var/lib/???
534 [08:51:07] <atlizz> how do i revert this before changes take place? O.o
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536 [08:51:58] <Ashleee> the whole of /var/lib? :)
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538 [08:52:38] <atlizz> Ashleee: yep...
539 [08:52:40] <Ashleee> if you want to try undelete you should stop writing to that drive
540 [08:52:48] <Ashleee> s/should/HAVE TO
541 [08:52:56] <atlizz> okay done but
542 [08:53:05] <atlizz> what to do now ? :S
543 [08:53:11] <Ashleee> now boot off some CD and try extundelete, if it still exists
544 [08:53:33] <atlizz> what if is a server that i access via ssh?
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546 [08:54:01] <Ashleee> I think the fastest option is to reinstall and recover from another replica or backup if possible :)
547 [08:54:03] <Ashleee> and safest
548 [08:54:12] <atlizz> :D
549 [08:54:15] <atlizz> omg
550 [08:54:21] <atlizz> start all ver again lolol
551 [08:54:33] <atlizz> including ssh certificates... allllllll
552 [08:54:37] <atlizz> i want to cry
553 [08:54:40] <atlizz> xDD
554 [08:54:47] <Ashleee> ssh keys are the easy stuff, literally one scp/curl away
555 [08:55:24] <atlizz> its all prefectly re-doable... but heck, half day lost at least
556 [08:55:41] <atlizz> anyway... this is what happens when u delete var/lib and doesnt have any backups :D
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558 [08:56:00] <atlizz> ok thanks Ashleee
559 [08:56:02] <Ashleee> half a day the first time, half an hour the second time :)
560 [08:56:05] <Ashleee> np
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563 [08:58:52] <Ashleee> I mean you could `dpkg -S /var/lib` and reinstall each package and hope for the best but good luck :P
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679 [11:01:08] <atlizz> some help with mongo bug?
680 [11:01:31] <atlizz> even with fresh debian install still having issue with mongod.service
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682 [11:01:51] <atlizz> i have to start it manually , setting the options, otherwise it wont work, and service wont start with error code 14
683 [11:02:02] <atlizz> but i can run mongod manually with parameters and works okay
684 [11:02:16] <atlizz> using same dbpath, same port, all same than the config file
685 [11:02:35] <atlizz> i already check file permissions on dbpath, aswell of mongod conf permissions
686 [11:02:38] <atlizz> and looks okay
687 [11:03:18] <atlizz> the lock file in /tmp is owned by the right user, but permissions are a bit weird, its like srwx------
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689 [11:03:21] <avu> atlizz: mongodb is not available in Debian, if you installed it through the mongo repos, maybe ask around their community how to get it to work?
690 [11:03:23] <atlizz> never seen that s
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692 [11:03:41] <atlizz> avu, okay thanks
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696 [11:04:15] <atlizz> avu what no-SQL database types could I use under debian?
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700 [11:05:22] <avu> atlizz: postgresql can cover most if not any use cases for this "no-sql" fad
701 [11:05:43] <avu> atlizz: look at the JSONB data type if you really need schema-less data
702 [11:06:05] <atlizz> avu i do not need schemaless data
703 [11:06:08] <atlizz> i actually hate it
704 [11:06:14] <atlizz> im just learning it
705 [11:06:37] <atlizz> i prefer mariadb x1000 times over this
706 [11:06:49] <avu> well, if you don't need schemaless data, don't use these schemaless databases :)
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709 [11:07:15] <atlizz> i guess ill need to convert my code :,(
710 [11:07:17] <atlizz> xD
711 [11:07:32] <ratrace> especially needs-multiple-nodes-to-guarantee-consistency mongoDB :)
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713 [11:08:14] <avu> the only good thing about mongodb is their marketing department :p
714 [11:08:21] <atlizz> you mean updating records to keep data consistency? (because of duplicated data everywhere)?
715 [11:08:26] <ratrace> replaced-url
716 [11:09:03] <ratrace> atlizz: I mean mongodb has no guarantees for committing data on disk because it does so once per minute or so, that's why mongo devs recommend you run multiple nodes (like, separate servers) in replication, in case one fails.
717 [11:09:24] <atlizz> lol
718 [11:09:27] <atlizz> didnt know that
719 [11:09:37] <ratrace> watch the video :)
720 [11:09:45] <atlizz> thanks
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723 [11:11:43] <atlizz> xDDDD
724 [11:11:44] <ratrace> (tl;dr devnull is faster than mongodb)
725 [11:11:52] <atlizz> devnull will be way fsaster, true
726 [11:12:08] <atlizz> best bennchmarks ;D
727 [11:12:40] <atlizz> funny stuff
728 [11:12:49] <ratrace> ya :)
729 [11:15:26] <ratrace> postgres is really featureful and can be used for (schemaless) document store via JSON(B) column types. it can also be tuned to relax ACIDity and achieve speeds near those of mongoDB, for the same drawbacks
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731 [11:15:50] <ratrace> BUT if I really needed an in memory, dont-need-consistency datastore layer in front of postgres, I'd use Redis
732 [11:15:50] <atlizz> okay then... why javascript is so friend of mongo ? its because JSON format?
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734 [11:16:45] <atlizz> most of courses with new technologies involving JS (nodejs for example) enforce the use of no-sql databases
735 [11:16:53] <atlizz> its a bit annoying, i dont like the concept at all
736 [11:16:53] <ratrace> possibly, and because someone figured out they can use the mongodb backend directly from client-side javascript and they thought that's cool
737 [11:17:15] <ratrace> read that slowly so it sinks in: database directly accessible from client side.
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739 [11:19:09] <atlizz> how is that? i mean, i manage my database through an API, on the server side (which is js too, but shouldnt be in the client side anyway)
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742 [11:19:20] <avu> ask in #node.js about mongo and you'll quickly revise your oppinion about the js community liking mongo :)
743 [11:19:38] <atlizz> aahh I see
744 [11:19:42] <avu> you'll get slapped with a bot factoid explaining why you should never use it
745 [11:19:50] <atlizz> xD
746 [11:19:58] <atlizz> then im glad about this
747 [11:20:04] <atlizz> because i hate design a database in mongo
748 [11:20:11] <atlizz> it really bad for data, thats what i think
749 [11:20:15] <ratrace> atlizz: it's same as js in the backend, where indeed JSON on both sides removes the need for data conversion layers, and effectively removes any impendance mismatch that might creep in due to that, eg. a generic ORM is not needed
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751 [11:20:27] <atlizz> feel like loose of control of structure, information gets less valiious
752 [11:20:28] <user217_> hello. Is someone use 'displaylink-debian' ? replaced-url
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754 [11:20:55] <user217_> Im try to use third monitor wuth this but stack
755 [11:20:57] <atlizz> valuable*
756 [11:21:15] <ratrace> atlizz: but if you need to store massive amounts of data of the kind that it doesn't matter if some is lost (eg, data series used for interpolation, noncritical logs, ...) ..... use Redis :)
757 [11:21:31] <atlizz> oki ill keep that in mind too
758 [11:21:59] <atlizz> sounds okay for storing application status (properties values, objects, etc)
759 [11:22:20] <atlizz> or any non-structured stuf
760 [11:22:53] <ratrace> you can use postgres for that too, AND benefit from its ACID-ity
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762 [11:25:19] <ksk> user217_: welcome to #debian. See what I wrote in ##linux: Either supply us with a meaningful error-message (notice that this softare is not part of debian, and this is a volunteers channel) or contact the author of the software.
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765 [11:26:26] <atlizz> i see, its like transactional consistency system, right?
766 [11:26:30] <atlizz> this ACID
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768 [11:27:04] <atlizz> my mind always blow up when i come and talk with you guys... you have hugue knowledges and i feel so tiny
769 [11:27:06] <Fox> replaced-url
770 [11:27:39] <atlizz> I wanted to be soft developer since i was 13 year old and im 34 and still dont even know 1/500 compared to what most of you guys know
771 [11:27:53] <atlizz> how is that even possible? what kind of brain do you have'? XD
772 [11:28:25] <atlizz> maybe if i never tried h##h in my life my head would be in a better shape :P
773 [11:29:25] <atlizz> I guess i would rather worked more and played less :) for example
774 [11:29:34] <atlizz> anyway, i want to say u guys thanks
775 [11:29:48] <atlizz> u not only have great knowledge, but share and work in community
776 [11:29:58] <atlizz> big people
777 [11:31:07] <atlizz> sorry i went emotional for a moment
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784 [11:34:16] <atlizz> btw i didnt make it, my dream
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786 [11:34:31] <atlizz> :P im regular IT guy, and not even that nowadays :P
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827 [12:23:12] <tux_de_botina> Robby: the redirect example helps you?
828 [12:23:29] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys how do i get the current setting for the grave key?
829 [12:23:43] <Eryn_1983_FL> i remapped my esc to caps but im not sure where grave went
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835 [12:30:21] <ratrace> the what key?
836 [12:30:55] <Eryn_1983_FL> GRAVE KEY
837 [12:30:58] <Eryn_1983_FL> opps
838 [12:31:00] <Eryn_1983_FL> my bad
839 [12:31:24] <ratrace> oh ` ? had to google that up, didn't know it was called that
840 [12:31:28] <Eryn_1983_FL> yeah
841 [12:31:47] <ratrace> tried altr-gr + caps ?
842 [12:32:23] <Eryn_1983_FL> what altr-gr?
843 [12:32:29] <ratrace> right alt
844 [12:32:31] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
845 [12:32:48] <Eryn_1983_FL> no workie
846 [12:32:52] <Eryn_1983_FL> but its seems its reverted now
847 [12:32:59] <Eryn_1983_FL> no worries let me get it back..
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853 [12:35:37] <Eryn_1983_FL> grrr
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855 [12:37:34] <Eryn_1983_FL> xmodmap -e "clear Lock" -e "keycode 0x42 = Escape"
856 [12:37:39] <Eryn_1983_FL> this is what im doing currently
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871 [12:55:02] <Eryn_1983_FL> whats the difference between difference between ControlMask
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873 [12:55:05] <Eryn_1983_FL> │ | GDK_CONTROL_MASK?
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878 [13:00:54] <tarzeau> anyone up for a typespeed head2head? server is 192.33.96.22
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897 [13:20:24] <lrvick> Seems debian snapshots is sad. Can't wget larger packages like: replaced-url
898 [13:21:01] <lrvick> things that can try/resume like wget and aria2c work, but it sakes several passes. apt-get can't resume so it breaks hard
899 [13:24:20] <Fox> works like a charm for me
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901 [13:29:45] <lrvick> hmm. takes several retries for me from 2 different US ips and apt can't do it at all.
902 [13:29:49] <lrvick> are you in the UA?
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904 [13:30:03] <lrvick> US*
905 [13:30:08] <Fox> I'm french
906 [13:30:25] <lrvick> hmm
907 [13:30:26] <Fox> french IP then
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915 [13:36:53] <ksk> !snapshot.debian.org
916 [13:37:06] <ksk> mhm, not. Wondering if it is anycase-enabled, or not.
917 [13:37:12] <ksk> *anycast
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922 [13:41:38] <tarzeau> is people using ipmi? and not getting confused about the different versions and limitations on usernames?
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954 [14:27:51] <Bushmaster> Hi I am having problem with commands, the book says if I type ls -1 it should provide information about file for example -rw etc including size but in my case it does nothing other that listing all the directory
955 [14:28:20] <Ashleee> you sure?
956 [14:28:33] <oblio> bushmaster: ls -al
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960 [14:30:01] <Bushmaster> oblio, and Ashleee this is what I get replaced-url
961 [14:30:07] <Bushmaster> oblio, let me check
962 [14:30:27] <Ashleee> because
963 [14:30:29] <Ashleee> ls -l vs ls -1
964 [14:30:32] <Ashleee> it is lowercase L
965 [14:30:33] <Ashleee> not ONE :)
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967 [14:31:06] <Ashleee> Bushmaster, ^
968 [14:31:43] <oblio> anyone know how to turn on a Kconfig option in a module on a running system?
969 [14:31:56] <Bushmaster> Ashleee, oblio big thanks, it works, I thought its One (1) replaced-url
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971 [14:32:17] <Ashleee> also on many distros - incl. ubuntu I think - is default alias ll=ls -l
972 [14:32:25] <Ashleee> (that's two lowercase L)
973 [14:32:34] <ksk> oblio: I dont think you can, these are compile-time-options.
974 [14:32:45] <oblio> ksk: i was reading a doc yesterday that implied you could
975 [14:32:55] <oblio> and then i got lost in a rabbithole
976 [14:33:00] <oblio> and i've still not escaped
977 [14:33:18] <oblio> you're suggesting i'd just have to recompile the module
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982 [14:34:27] <ksk> Kind of, yes.
983 [14:34:47] <oblio> ksk: do you know if i can use module-assistant w arbitrary modules?
984 [14:34:53] <Bushmaster> Ashleee, well with ls -lh it gives wrong data, file size or directory size showing 4K, these are large directory in my system so not sure why it showing 4K replaced-url
985 [14:35:08] <Ashleee> because 4k is size of the directory entry
986 [14:35:09] <ksk> oblio: I dont even know what that is, sorry :P
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988 [14:35:23] <Ashleee> you have to do "du -h somedirectory" to get its actual size
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993 [14:38:41] <Bushmaster> Ashleee, thanks a lot, so directory entry means what?
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995 [14:39:39] <Ashleee> basically each entry in a directory has its parameters. The ones you will see the most are name, permissions and date. And this entry contains at least 4k (because that's your HDD's sector size)
996 [14:40:06] <Ashleee> and each of those entries also can contain contents -- for a file it is the actual contents, for a directory it is entries for sub-files/directories again
997 [14:40:49] <Ashleee> so imagine you have a file called "contents.txt" that contains the list of files in another directory. The "contents.txt" will have 4k but the actual content of the directory will be much more
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1000 [14:46:31] <Bushmaster> Ashleee, thanks bit confusing but I think I got the general picture thanks a lot and will ask some more as I am learning Linux commands
1001 [14:46:47] <Ashleee> np :) I'm not here that often so I am sure some other peeps will help
1002 [14:47:11] <Bushmaster> that du -h is good command, it helps but i have to be in that directory or show the path
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1018 [15:05:06] <Ashleee> du -sch ./*
1019 [15:05:11] <Ashleee> or some other variant
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1067 [15:46:09] <vincent-> How can I prevent a package to be update further than a particular version? For instance, I have the package "foo-1.0" installed, and I don't want to upgrade it more than "foo-1.2" even if newer versions are available.
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1072 [15:47:06] <vincent-> I have tried with /etc/apt/preferences.d/foo , with "Pin: version 1.2", but it seemed to be ignored.
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1078 [15:51:28] <annadane> vincent-, apt-mark hold <package>
1079 [15:51:43] <vincent-> annadane, but that's not specifying the maximum version I want to allow.
1080 [15:52:13] <vincent-> I want the package to update, but not higher than version X.
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1083 [15:57:36] <Fox> I don't think that's possible
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1087 [16:00:15] <aaro> vincent-: there's an example for that in apt_preferences man page
1088 [16:01:05] <vincent-> aaro, I have read the man page and I didn't see such a example :/ I'll read it again, just in case.
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1092 [16:01:57] <vincent-> aaro, can you quote a few words I can search in the man page so I can find exactly which example are you referring to?
1093 [16:03:42] <aaro> vincent-: something like "Package: <package name>\nPin: version 5.20*\nPin-Priority: 1001"
1094 [16:04:12] <Delta706> how can I change the command line used to run ircd?
1095 [16:04:18] <vincent-> aaro, that does not prevent the upgrade to higher versions. I've already tried it :-)
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1099 [16:05:54] <ksk> Delta706: Not 100% what you are asking for here, you want to alter the way ircd does start? take a look at its systemd unit file.
1100 [16:07:13] <Delta706> I want to run "ircd -p off"
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1107 [16:12:39] <vincent-> If anyone is interested... annadane, Fox, aaro, I think I've found the way to do it. You can add multiple entries for the same package in /etc/apt/preferences. You can specify the version you want with maximum priority. And in the next entry, match any version with * and set a -1 priority. I'm going to test it now.
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1110 [16:15:45] <cybrNaut> ,v mythtv
1111 [16:15:46] <judd> Package: mythtv on amd64 -- stretch-multimedia: 0.28.2-dmo1+deb9u1; buster-multimedia: 30.0+fixes20200514.gitc6b20b072e-dmo1+deb10u2; bullseye-multimedia: 31.0+fixes20200715.git8212a9b7bf-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 31.0+fixes20200720.git89d1991ef2-dmo1
1112 [16:17:59] <tmroland> im trying to install wine32 and it says it cant install it due to some package that wont be installed (For whatever reason), and if i try to install the package that wont get installed by apt automatically, I get a message that I should be careful how I proceed and list of all packages in the system going to be removed. how to fix this package management clusterfuck?
1113 [16:17:59] <cybrNaut> what does that mean when it's in "stretch-multimedia"? Is that official?
1114 [16:18:27] <Fox> no it's not
1115 [16:18:33] <hexnewbie> What facility in Debian would switch network cards off on ifdown? It wasn't happening on Wheezy, and although I haven't confirmed it happening on Buster yet, it's a problem on Stretch. Would systemd do that, something in the code that handles ifdown, the kernel? What would I look at to change that behaviour?
1116 [16:19:53] <Fox> !deb-multimedia
1117 [16:19:53] <dpkg> We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See replaced-url
1118 [16:20:07] <Fox> cybrNaut: ^^
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1124 [16:24:05] <cybrNaut> Fox: thanks. I'm a bit confused though because I would think the bot in this channel would only mention official resources. And it seems there is a Debian Multimedia repo that is separate from deb-multimedia (ref replaced-url
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1126 [16:25:40] <cybrNaut> Ultimately, I'm trying to work out what's going on with mythTV. I'm told that Debian excludes mythTV due to legal issues with ffmpeg owning patents, but at the same time i see that ffmpeg itself is an official debian package (i think)
1127 [16:26:33] <Fox> I didn't now about that DebianMultimedia team, good to know
1128 [16:26:49] <vincent-> annadane, Fox, aaro, it doesn't work :/
1129 [16:27:38] <Fox> vincent-: I said I think what you're trying to achieve is not possible :)
1130 [16:28:11] <vincent-> Fox, strange, because I think I'm not trying to do something super weird.
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1132 [16:30:32] <Fox> it doesn't sound like, but why do you want to do that ?
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1135 [16:32:31] <vincent-> Fox, on Raspbian they have updated the raspberrypi-kernel package. That installs 5.4 kernels. After that, the v4l2loopback-dkms package fails to install because that module fails to compile for >=5.1 kernels. It has been fixed upstream in 0.12.2, but Debian Buster has 0.2.12.
1136 [16:32:53] <vincent-> So I want to limit the kernel update to the maximum version that I know it's fine.
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1139 [16:33:22] <Fox> go straight to that version then
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1141 [16:33:51] <vincent-> Fox, yeah, I could do that. And after that use apt-mark hold.
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1143 [16:34:07] <vincent-> I'll Google how to install a specific version of a package.
1144 [16:34:19] <Fox> apt install package=version
1145 [16:34:46] <vincent-> Ah, I was missing the =.
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1148 [16:35:04] <vincent-> In some distros you don't need the =. For Python's pip is ==.
1149 [16:35:33] <Fox> cybrNaut: the fact that there is a multimedia team doesn't imply that there's a specific repo, where did you see that ?
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1152 [16:36:49] <EdePopede> !hold
1153 [16:36:50] <dpkg> hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that prior to <stretch> "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771. See also <hold list>, <unhold>.
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1155 [16:36:57] <EdePopede> maybe this may work?
1156 [16:37:05] <cybrNaut> Fox: guess it was a bad assumption.. i'm looking for an official repo and it may not exist
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1158 [16:37:21] <Fox> I'm pretty sure it doesn't :)
1159 [16:37:38] <cybrNaut> i was wondering if I needed to add another token to the "main contrib non-free" line in sources.list
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1162 [16:40:14] <cybrNaut> i really just need the mythTV front-end, and i'd hate to have to get it unofficially. Kodi has a mythTV plugin and kodi is in the official repos, but the Kodi project has jailed all their docs in CloudFlare's walled-garden, so I'd rather not use Kodi
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1167 [16:45:15] <ksk> cybrNaut: I can relate to not liking CF, but you would stop using the web right now if you boycott them :P
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1169 [16:46:36] <cybrNaut> ksk: i indeed avoid the 10%+ of the web that is CF'd. I use the Ss search engine, which filters out CF sites from the results, and I have a browser plugin that automatically redirects to archive.org if I attempt to visit a CF site.
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1174 [16:49:09] <Zathras> how can I live resize a remote VM on LVM please? root+1gb/home-1gb. As I only have access using SSH I cannot unmount home, not single-user boot. so obviously this fails: lvresize --resize --size -1GB /dev/mapper/test643--vg-home
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1177 [16:50:07] <Zathras> I could enable root SSH, but will that be enough
1178 [16:50:38] <ksk> Zathras: If you have no other users logged in you could then unmount /home, so yes, that could help.
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1184 [16:52:37] <ksk> Zathras: just btw, you will kill the filesystem if that is using 100% of the LVM, and you start with shrinking the LVM
1185 [16:52:59] <ksk> if reducing size, always start at the innermost layer.
1186 [16:53:37] <ksk> and even then you can loose data if I remember correctly, as LVM does not know of a filesystem, and it could be either at the beginning or end of that LVM.
1187 [16:54:23] <Zathras> done. thanks
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1198 [17:07:39] <cybrNaut> official debian has mythtvfs, mythtv-status, and kodi-pvr-mythtv. mythtv-frontend is a separate pkg on deb-multimedia.org. So it's bizarre that mythtv-frontend is not official debian.
1199 [17:07:49] <cybrNaut> i wonder what mythtv-frontend does that kodi-pvr-mythtv does not do, which would trigger patent issues
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1216 [17:24:04] <ksk> maybe kodi just does not care? Kind of the same how ubutu ships ZFS, and Debian does not ;)
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1218 [17:29:06] <cybrNaut> it's more a question of why mythTV devs don't make mythtv-frontend official. if it meets Debian's quality and legal standards, then it's in their interest to show that off, theoretically
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1279 [18:08:55] <oerheks> smv *.* is a typo
1280 [18:09:29] <Bushmaster> do you know the command to move file via SSH oerheks
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1282 [18:09:44] <oerheks> mv
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1284 [18:11:00] <Bushmaster> I get this replaced-url
1285 [18:11:17] <Bushmaster> this is SSH not moving file from same computer
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1289 [18:12:32] <oerheks> oh, i think now you are bound to scp
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1291 [18:13:11] <Bushmaster> oerheks, scp is copy
1292 [18:13:26] <Bushmaster> I wanna move and not copy
1293 [18:13:52] <Bushmaster> scp works smv does not, very weird
1294 [18:14:17] <oerheks> rsync ? rsync --remove-source-files (source files) destination
1295 [18:14:37] <Bushmaster> no idea what it means
1296 [18:14:48] <Bushmaster> leave it, I will find someone else to help me
1297 [18:14:50] <Bushmaster> thanks anyhow
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1300 [18:18:24] <eigenfire> Bushmaster: scp and delete the original.
1301 [18:18:49] <eigenfire> Which is what you were told originally before getting rude.
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1304 [18:20:40] <bochku> Bushmaster: no matter what command you'll use, they will effect to the same thing. copy and then delete. so better to do it with two simple commands instead of one complicated command
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1307 [18:23:55] <Bushmaster> bockku so there is not command to move the file in SSH
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1309 [18:24:11] <bochku> scp!!!!
1310 [18:24:35] <Bushmaster> eigenfire, I do not give a damn what you think of me , so do not improvize
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1312 [18:25:00] <Bushmaster> bochku, its copy not move
1313 [18:25:14] <eigenfire> Bushmaster: You do realize that even the mv command is a copy-then-delete, right?
1314 [18:25:24] <eigenfire> (At least, across filesystems.)
1315 [18:25:32] <eigenfire> Bushmaster: scp, then delete the original.
1316 [18:26:05] <Bushmaster> i can move in GUI by getting connected to other machine in GUI
1317 [18:26:14] <Bushmaster> i wanted to do it in command line
1318 [18:26:16] <eigenfire> Bushmaster: Yes. And that is, behind the scenes, a copy and delete.
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1320 [18:26:34] <bochku> Bushmaster: if it pleases you, I can write you a shell script, call it smv, which will literally be two commands
1321 [18:26:52] <Bushmaster> eigenfire, dude, you are good at redundancy, stop entertaining me
1322 [18:26:56] <eigenfire> Bushmaster: Now, please, stop with the combative attitude.
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1324 [18:27:23] <Bushmaster> bochku, so it is possible to get it done?
1325 [18:27:45] <eigenfire> Yes. His shell script will scp, then delete the original. :D
1326 [18:27:51] <Bushmaster> eigenfire, go find someone else who suits you...
1327 [18:27:55] <bochku> ofc... If you really want _one_ command then I guess that's the way to go
1328 [18:27:58] <pablopicasso> hey there, just installed buster. there is no wifi driver.
1329 [18:28:16] <eigenfire> pablopicasso: Which wifi adapter are you using?
1330 [18:28:24] <pablopicasso> I installed firmware-linux and firmware-linux-nonfree
1331 [18:28:47] <bochku> look at the output of dmesg, and see if it's complaining about anything
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1335 [18:32:20] <sney> wifi firmware is not in those packages, you will need the one that corresponds to your nic, the most common are firmware-realtek and firmware-iwlwifi (intel).
1336 [18:32:54] <sney> look for firmware messages in dmesg to find out which, or look at lspci/lsusb etc
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1387 [19:45:08] <luuuciano_> what an odd thing... suddenly some files (of a movies directory) modified their date to 7/2/2106 no idea why!? any idea what is going on? have been searching without luck yet...
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1389 [19:47:22] <mutante> luuuciano_: 2106 seemed special -> replaced-url
1390 [19:47:55] <mutante> so it's basically FFFF FFFF
1391 [19:50:42] <RoyK> I beleive it's quite well described in replaced-url
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1396 [19:55:17] <RoyK> luuuciano_: also, please see replaced-url
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1400 [19:58:10] <annadane> lol ^
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1402 [19:59:40] <luuuciano_> oh yes, I saw that, the max 32 bit date... but no w idea what made that, I did a find /home/me/ -type f -newermt '2021-01-01' just to see what was shown, and found all those files
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1406 [20:00:32] <luuuciano_> there is not a lot... less than 100 files... in 2 or 3 directories... very odd
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1408 [20:00:53] <petn-randall> luuuciano_: filesystem corruption might be one reason for this.
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1412 [20:03:22] <luuuciano_> oh petn-randall, maybe it is that! I remember my system went frozen last night (when adding by mistake a "z" to a krusader input field I think), had to do a hard switch off... it is the first time this happened to me (the odd date)
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1422 [20:09:59] <naptastic> I have a local mirror and PXE install set up, and it's great. It's installing Buster right now. The first thing I do after installing is switch to testing, which currently requires some gymnastics with apt. Is there a way I can have the network installer install testing directly?
1423 [20:11:14] <sney> there's a testing installer. iirc mini.iso lets you choose the version to install as well. or if you're using pxe and a local cache anyway you can probably finagle something with debootstrap
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1426 [20:15:03] <naptastic> mmm, I haven't looked at my bootstrap file in a while.
1427 [20:15:07] * naptastic takes a gander
1428 [20:15:37] <naptastic> er, preseed. Whatever.
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1454 [20:40:44] <lrvick> I have found the debian snapshot repo to be very unreliable, often taking many hours of retries to get my 1000ish packages for my project downloaded every time I build it. Is there a way to configure apt to check mainline mirrors for a package then only fallback to snapshots if the version is missing in well mirrored repos?
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1456 [20:42:45] <sney> if you're consistently using the same set of packages from one snapshot date, why not mirror them locally
1457 [20:43:16] <lrvick> this is for a reproducible builds effort, so I want everyone to be able to build from 0
1458 [20:43:27] <lrvick> that could solve the problem for -me- but I want a best effort for others
1459 [20:43:48] <lrvick> also I bump the snapshot date on every new release, which are frequent
1460 [20:44:01] <lrvick> so the cache would only really help me once actually
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1463 [20:45:41] <sney> well, this is all pretty edge-case-y, but anyway: sources.list is prioritized from top down. theoretically if you put the snapshot entry below the main mirror entry, it should use the main mirror for everything that it can before using snapshot
1464 [20:46:07] <sney> but I don't think that apt "feature" is well maintained so you may see some inconsistency
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1466 [20:47:17] <lrvick> well that is potentially something at least. I'll give it a try
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1468 [20:48:04] <lrvick> Yeah I mean you can't really functionally do reproducible builds without having everyone use the same build container with the same locked packages, so debian snapshots is the closest thing. IMO the fact this is an edge case is kinda sad. Everyone should be doing repo builds but as I am finding the path is pretty rough.
1469 [20:48:06] <sney> you may also want to email the snapshot admins and see if they have any suggestions, or find out if you're being throttled intentionally
1470 [20:48:20] <lrvick> yeah, I suppose that will be my next stop. thanks
1471 [20:49:13] <sney> using snapshot for more than just occasional one-offs is the edge case. reproducible builds are a goal and ongoing project for debian
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1474 [20:50:58] <lrvick> if I want to distribute a debian based toolchain container that itself builds reproducibly for compiling repro builds of other software, do I have any options other than snapshot?
1475 [20:51:49] <lrvick> This ends with me making my own mirrors doesn't it...
1476 [20:51:51] <nkuttler> use stable and pin the packages? i doubt the build toolchain gets lots of security upgrades?
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1478 [20:53:03] <lrvick> nkuttler: that was my initial approach, but packages keep getting deleted from mirrors all the times then the builds are perma-broken
1479 [20:53:35] <lrvick> pulling from snapshot takes hours of failing and retrying but it at least -eventually- works sometimes maybe
1480 [20:53:54] <lrvick> at least the packages still exist there, so it is the only path I am aware of atm. Would love alternatives
1481 [20:54:20] <lrvick> the only other group I could find running into this that was very concerned about supply chain integrity was whonix... and they ended up just making their own mirrors too. meh
1482 [20:54:33] * lrvick reaches out to snapshot guys
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1497 [21:09:44] <graphicsv> How important is linux-libc-dev? System keeps installing it from buster-backports repository?
1498 [21:09:46] <graphicsv> !*
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1500 [21:10:24] <sney> -dev packages are all optional, but that's one of the more fundamental header packages to have if you're ever compiling anything
1501 [21:11:17] <graphicsv> sney: Well, I removed buster-backports and it's fine now. I'm using linux-libc-dev:4.19.139 from pristine custom kernel
1502 [21:12:38] <graphicsv> Shouldn't I need a different version for each kernel I'm using? I have several kernel versions in this system.
1503 [21:13:41] <greycat> No, the exact version of linux-libc-dev is not that important. Could you *imagine* how terrible it would be if you had to recompile everything, every time a minor kernel update happened?
1504 [21:14:05] <graphicsv> greycat: That's how Gentoo does his stuff :'(
1505 [21:15:10] <sney> that's pretty much what dkms does too, except for the most minor binary-compatible kernel updates
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1507 [21:16:43] <graphicsv> My Ryzen is under severe observation. I've tweaked plenty of stuff. For now it seems stable. But I'll only now after days and no crash. I went into the BIOS and disabled PBO. Something changed!
1508 [21:17:07] <graphicsv> I'm not a hardware guy myself. But these days I'm really paying for my sins
1509 [21:17:21] <graphicsv> `BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.19.134-ryzen root=UUID=6ad59cc0-d603-4e56-9c33-032ca56cbc0a ro intel_idle.max_cstate=0 processor.max_cstate=1 idle=nomwait cpuidle.off=1 rcu_nocbs=0-11`
1510 [21:18:05] <graphicsv> `CONFIG_RCU_NOCB_CPU=y` =(
1511 [21:18:17] <naptastic> graphicsv, where'd you get that kernel?
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1514 [21:21:09] <graphicsv> naptastic: I got it from kernel.org
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1517 [21:21:49] <graphicsv> naptastic: Then copied config from 4.19.0-9 and recompiled with `CONFIG_RCU_NOCB_CPU=y`
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1519 [21:22:11] <graphicsv> Also, I've tweaked it with aufs. Very fun
1520 [21:23:05] <graphicsv> a lot of fun**. Later I might remove useless drivers and features and such
1521 [21:24:52] <naptastic> graphicsv, I used to do that. I wish I'd had the time and discipline to keep up with it.
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1523 [21:25:34] <graphicsv> naptastic: I've done it a lot in my Gentoo days. Now I find it very unproductive
1524 [21:26:42] <naptastic> graphicsv, my workload requires low-latency performance, so it was actually really useful for me. Now I just use the Liquorix distribution kernel... it's not as fast, since it's not compiled for the specific processor, but with MuQSS and the modified block scheduler, it's good enough for me.
1525 [21:27:40] <graphicsv> naptastic: I wish I had the knowledge over my hardware to actually make my computer faster. I've always been a software kind of guy
1526 [21:28:39] <graphicsv> naptastic: What exactly means "low-latency performance" in this case? Why'd you need it?
1527 [21:29:09] <mutante> e-sports pro ?
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1532 [21:32:25] <sney> hardware performance has mostly plateaued in the past 5-10 years anyway, any computer from the whole decade is reasonably modern for most normal computing tasks. compare that to the leaps made between 2000 and 2010.
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1535 [21:33:19] <naptastic> graphicsv, I do live audio, so I need the system to copy data from the sound card to user-space, my user-space software to do heavy processing on the data, and then copy the data back to the sound card, and if it's late, there are audible glitches. I normally run at 1.3ms end-to-end latency.
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1538 [21:34:43] <uso> is there any option to restore the previous behavior of rmadison to list the release nicknames instead of stable/oldstable/.. ?
1539 [21:36:31] <mutante> sney: when non-tech people ask for help picking a computer they always seem to say something like "just normal stuff, nothing special, just browsing ... and maybe once a year i need to edit HD video" or some other really hardware-intensive thing that changes the entire setup.. "but not very often" :)
1540 [21:36:59] <graphicsv> naptastic: I didn't know you could use Linux for live audio. Interesting.
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1543 [21:38:15] <sney> mutante: lol, it's true. but even for that stuff, if you've got basically anything made after 2010 and a ssd and enough ram, hd video is well within your reach. (I am typing this on a 2012-era desktop and I do occasionally use it to edit video, with no complaints)
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1547 [21:43:39] <mutante> sney: true, good point
1548 [21:44:23] <naptastic> graphicsv, oh yeah, it's great. I started using it in 2005, and stopped using Windows for audio work in... probably 2007?
1549 [21:44:47] <naptastic> yeah, Linux can be a pain, but what I can do here is simply not possible on Windows.
1550 [21:45:36] <graphicsv> naptastic: I see. Do you use LMMS? I've used a lot of FL Studio on Windows
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1557 [21:54:36] <naptastic> graphicsv, no; LMMS doesn't really integrate well with anything else. I just use Ardour for everything, even if it's total overkill.
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1560 [21:58:41] <Delta706> I am trying to modify how ircd is run. I tried changing /etc/init.d/ircd-irc2 but experiments show that my mods do not work and it seems that the real action may be elsewhere. I want the service to run "ircd -p off"
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1562 [21:58:59] <Ashleee> cat /lib/systemd/system/ircd.service
1563 [21:59:07] <Ashleee> and then read up on systemd service override :)
1564 [22:00:25] <Delta706> I need to run that cat command?
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1566 [22:05:29] <naptastic> Delta706, is there an /etc/default/ircd*?
1567 [22:06:36] <greycat> if catting a unit file terrifies you, you might not be ready for the part where you override one
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1571 [22:11:09] <graphicsv> naptastic: Does it support VSTs? I remember using A LOT of them. I had hundreds of GBs in my computer just with orchestral VSTs
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1573 [22:12:27] <Delta706> no nothing relevant in /etc/default
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1575 [22:13:12] <naptastic> graphicsv, yes, though I've heard some run better than others, since WINE has to be involved. I haven't used any myself; the open-source plugins are adequate for my needs personally.
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1624 [23:20:36] <p4xz> I'm trying to install a single package from testing, so I've added the testing repos to sources.list and told apt to use stable by default with APT::Default-Release "stable";, however now after apt update, apt ist trying to replace packages from buster-backports with the corresponding testing versions
1625 [23:20:45] <greycat> !buster-backports
1626 [23:20:46] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See replaced-url
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1628 [23:21:30] <p4xz> How do I make it not do that?
1629 [23:21:46] <greycat> *plonk*
1630 [23:22:17] <greycat> The moral of the story is, you cannot reason with a frankendebian creator.
1631 [23:22:23] <greycat> It's not even worth tryhing.
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1633 [23:22:44] <p4xz> what?
1634 [23:23:10] <p4xz> I'm installing the package from testing because it doesn't exist in backports
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1636 [23:23:15] <p4xz> is that a wrong thing to do in debian?
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1639 [23:24:24] <ratrace> kinda
1640 [23:24:27] <ratrace> !frankendebian
1641 [23:24:28] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
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1643 [23:25:50] <p4xz> it's a single package I'm installing that has no dependencies. I could see a problem if the testing package pulls more recent versions of dependencies other stable packages use, but it doesn't
1644 [23:26:21] <dvs> !ssb
1645 [23:26:21] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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1647 [23:30:04] <p4xz> this is preferable to installing the package from testing?
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1656 [23:36:10] <ratrace> p4xz: yes and you can update it for security sooner than any such updates would land into testing
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