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13 [00:10:24] <EdePopede> tarzeau: yep, ext. using it since my first linux. ext2 the default then, all i knew before was FAT. xfs would be another experiment for the sandbox first. no matter how old it actually is and how many using it. i have to smell it before i eat it.
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26 [00:31:45] <Numero-6> hi all i have question, i have make my service folloing this doc: replaced-url
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31 [00:38:06] <Numero-6> Question3: I can make a log for this service and that can read by journalctl _EXE=myscript ? Because at this moment i have put a line in mysript for that make a log
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46 [00:58:44] <dfacto> i have an user setup with a public ssh key for access, and on the .ssh/authorized_keys file I have a command="xyz" that should run when the user connects using the public key. The command does not seem to be running, also didn't find anything in the logs. Any ideas on how to troubleshoot this?
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56 [01:09:44] <tds> dfacto: can you pastebin the full authorized_keys line?
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60 [01:10:09] <dfacto> one sec
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64 [01:12:37] <dfacto> replaced-url
65 [01:13:59] <tds> hm, that should work ok
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67 [01:14:23] <tds> though depending on what you use exactly, i'd be inclined to use "restrict" rather than the individual no-foo directives
68 [01:15:55] <dfacto> i will check on the syntax to do that, meanwhile i enabled debug3 on sshd to see what's going on
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76 [01:19:26] <dfacto> also wonder if there's anything in sshd_config that i should change from default..
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78 [01:19:54] <dfacto> i uncommented "PubkeyAuthentication yes" and IIRC that was about it
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82 [01:30:22] <LtL> dfacto: PasswordAuthentication no # if it exista and no allow root access
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84 [01:31:05] <dfacto> yeah, that was done when i first set up the box.
85 [01:31:59] <LtL> dfacto: you should be golden than, test it to be sure from another box
86 [01:32:42] <dfacto> so in this case its a debian mirror that i setup as a push master (and this box is the push client) so it can trigger ftpsync only when there's an upstream sync
87 [01:32:50] <dfacto> I guess i could setup a new key and test it myself
88 [01:37:26] <LtL> dfacto: i'm sure you have, but systemctl restart ssh
89 [01:37:47] <dfacto> you know, i did that now after removing no-foo and adding restrict
90 [01:38:11] <dfacto> but maybe i forgot to do this earlier when i first setup authorized_keys, honestly don't remember
91 [01:38:16] <dfacto> it shouldn't have mattered tho
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93 [01:38:42] <dfacto> but i did restart sshd after I changed sshd_config
94 [01:38:49] <LtL> yes it matters
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97 [01:41:02] * Numero-6 find systemd-cat
98 [01:41:02] <LtL> only the server needs the restart 'ssh' not the client, fyi dfacto
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107 [01:43:46] * Numero-6 use this command faur laught: echo "Nous voulons des renseignements" | systemd-cat -t "Numero 2" -p emerg && journalctl -f
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109 [01:49:57] <Numero-6> j'ai encore mieux
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111 [01:51:38] <Numero-6> oups sorry
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158 [02:54:03] <emperorOfTrebiz1> anyone know what the state of software update transparency is for apt?
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163 [02:59:19] <annadane> er... transparency? in what sense
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165 [02:59:32] <emperorOfTrebiz1> like CHAINIAC
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167 [02:59:37] <emperorOfTrebiz1> or these guys: replaced-url
168 [03:00:03] <emperorOfTrebiz1> defending against targeted malicious updates, etc
169 [03:01:01] <annadane> hmm, i'm not an expert in that area but we have (not 100%) reproducible builds and package checksums
170 [03:01:09] <annadane> but someone else can probably answer
171 [03:01:27] <annadane> ,i debsums
172 [03:01:29] <judd> Package debsums (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: tool for verification of installed package files against MD5 checksums. Version: 2.2.3; Size: 48.6k; Installed: 120k; Screenshot: replaced-url
173 [03:01:58] <emperorOfTrebiz1> does this address a malicious build server?
174 [03:02:04] <emperorOfTrebiz1> (thx)
175 [03:02:06] <sney> all package updates are tracked, source is available for audit, it's pretty transparent IME but some parts of the process are the responsibility of individual package maintainers which has at least once historically led to a security flaw.
176 [03:02:42] <sney> in any case, #debian is more of a tech support channel and you may have better results asking a dev mailing list.
177 [03:02:51] <emperorOfTrebiz1> oh right, OK
178 [03:03:00] <emperorOfTrebiz1> thanks on both counts
179 [03:03:07] <sney> np
180 [03:03:38] <annadane> and if you stick to stable i guess you get more security to assuage your paranoia that someone hasn't uploaded a malware package to unstable
181 [03:03:46] <annadane> though i doubt a debian developer would ever do that
182 [03:04:13] <annadane> although if you're using stuff like node packages or external things then the bet becomes less certain
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184 [03:04:36] <annadane> not that that was really your question :P
185 [03:05:09] <sney> it's very unlikely that a debian developer would intentionally ship malware but there's always the possibility of something like this happening again and slipping through the cracks: replaced-url
186 [03:05:37] <emperorOfTrebiz1> thanks much appreciated! I know there is some research interest in this stuff, but I wasn't sure if it ever actually got into use with any of the big distros
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189 [03:06:32] <sney> see tracker.debian.org for a look at how versions, patchsets, etc are tracked within the debian ecosystem
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192 [03:08:37] <annadane> still, debian might benefit from (and i'm not seriously proposing this, more of a fun thought experiment because i can) the equivalent of those companies that hire people to try to break into their systems/offices, have someone occasionally try to upload malware and see how good the system is at catching it
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194 [03:08:59] <annadane> but anyway. :P
195 [03:10:23] <emperorOfTrebiz1> I agree
196 [03:10:38] <FennecCode> Like an emergency drill sort of thing? 🙂
197 [03:11:25] <annadane> there's a filtering process from sid to testing but that's more of a bug thing, not checking each line of code for "hey this is actively malicious"
198 [03:11:30] <annadane> AFAIK, anyway
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200 [03:12:01] <annadane> still, if you did that as a DD you'd be ostracized forever
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204 [03:14:58] <annadane> this is also why 'diff' is good, if i'm the maintainer for WINE and version 4.8 of WINE was 100% vetted but i slip some malware into 4.9, you see that
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212 [03:24:38] <emperorOfTrebiz1> annadane: great point. For sure building for yourself is one way to avoid some problems, but its hard to audit well, and sooner or later almost everyone needs packages, where the problem of targeted malicious updates "rears its ugly head" clearly, I'd say
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214 [03:29:51] <alexrelis[m]> Anyone here flash Libreboot on their computer running Debian?
215 [03:31:18] <alexrelis[m]> How did you set up full disk encryption on an already configured system? I have a Thinkpad X200 with stock BIOS right now with an encrypted / but an unencrypted /boot stored on a separate USB flash drive. I'm going to flash Libreboot on it soon and I'm looking for the best method.
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236 [03:54:43] <zevenar> devuan
237 [03:55:13] <zevenar> reggin
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243 [04:00:59] <zevenar> debian is lgihter weight thna arch?
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268 [04:46:01] <zykotick9> alexrelis[m]: FYI, with Libreboot you have GRUB as a BIOS, thus you can do FULL disk encryption if you want, and not have an unencrypted /boot at all. Most secure option, but a bit of a pain when kernel updates happen as you have to reinstall LB each time. Sidenote #2, I'd strongly suggest you keep a backup of your origional BIOS (can't "really" be replaced, with same MAC) - I'm SO happy I did. Best
269 [04:46:07] <zykotick9> of luck.
270 [04:50:48] <alexrelis[m]> zykotick9: Thanks, friend. Full disk encryption is what I'm trying to accomplish. I didn't know you had to reinstall Libreboot after EVERY kernel update. Do I just simply need to apt upgrade and flashrom it again to get my system running the new kernel?
271 [04:51:49] <zykotick9> alexrelis[m]: ya. Hardware flash only required first time, it's trivial in comparison, you just need to update the "path" to the new kernel/version.
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276 [05:00:42] <zykotick9> alexrelis[m]: from way-back-machine, if you scroll down and see the "libreboot installtion" titled photo, that's me and the creator of libreboot back in 2016 backstage at Libreplanet, that's my t400 in pieces on the desk replaced-url
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287 [05:23:47] <alexrelis[m]> zykotick9: Wow. Very cool. I was considering paying Leah to flash Libreboot for me but I decided to do it myself since it's a special occasion. Not sure if it's a good idea since I easily break things, but we'll see how it goes, lol.
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299 [05:47:57] <zykotick9> alexrelis[m]: best of luck. I actually flashed my x200 myself.
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361 [07:41:38] <jhutchins> ;q
362 [07:41:42] <jhutchins> wzir
363 [07:41:47] <jhutchins> exit
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376 [08:02:04] <SirLagzz> can anyone shed some light on this error message - "(Reason: Unit nginx.service failed to load properly: Is a directory.)" <-- I can't figure out *What* is a directory, the unit file seems ok, I can start nginx by hand as well. I've googled that specific error but haven't found anything useful yet.
377 [08:02:25] <SirLagzz> I haven't modified the unit file at all by hand
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384 [08:16:13] <themill> That might just be something returning errno 21 and it's being interpreted that way, or it might actually be the error :(
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407 [08:37:48] <RoyK> ratrace: IIRC the boot logs are rotated per boot, not daily. But the data should be in the kernel logs as well
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409 [08:38:26] <RoyK> wee bit of mental lag there :) I had scrolled up nd forgotten about it
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415 [08:45:57] <ratrace> RoyK: there's no special "boot log" default config for rsyslog, and /var/log/syslog gets *.* by default (a bit inefficient as several files overlap in messages they store)
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417 [08:46:14] <ratrace> ideally, yes, persistent journal would've been most helpful
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419 [08:47:45] <RoyK> ratrace: /var/log/boot.log is there on my buster box
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422 [08:50:00] <RoyK> ratrace: anywy - I doubt many will rotate logs daily
423 [08:50:10] <ratrace> RoyK: oh... right. but that's not rsyslog doing, is it?
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425 [08:51:22] <RoyK> ratrace: hm… I have no idea wht makes that file :)
426 [08:52:40] <ratrace> indeed me neither, trying to google for it, but nothing's coming up really
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428 [08:53:41] <RoyK> weird
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432 [08:55:14] <ratrace> I know openrc had that ability and config option, to store its early messages into a boot.log, but this is systemd...
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434 [08:56:43] <ratrace> RoyK: plymouth does it
435 [08:57:14] <RoyK> h
436 [08:57:23] <ratrace> plymouth-log.service, apparently
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442 [09:00:31] <RoyK> I see - thanks
443 [09:01:14] <ratrace> I hate these unintuitive, hard to figure out black boxes on linux. HATE them. utterly.
444 [09:01:46] <ratrace> undocumented even
445 [09:04:44] <RoyK> agreed
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535 [10:56:57] <ruffni> sooo, during a dist-upgrade my tiny root partition was filled to 100% (which of course led to the upgrade being halted). is it possible to solve the issue without re-setting-up the whole system?
536 [10:57:55] <ruffni> there aren't any directories with unnecessary data which i could just delete
537 [11:02:08] <ruffni> nvm; was able to resize the partition :)
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621 [12:33:00] <JPT> I upgraded a machine from 9.0.31-1~deb10u1 to 9.0.31-1~deb10u2 and funnily enough, that broke a tomcat application. Is there a way to take a look at the patches between those two versions so i can explore what's going on? Unfortunately, the application logs don't really make sense.
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623 [12:33:24] <JPT> (The application claims the filesystem to be read-only and being unable to read files which clearly exist despite permissions being alright)
624 [12:33:47] <JPT> (sudo-ing into a shell as tomcat also reveals that the permissions are fine, so i'm lost.)
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626 [12:34:15] <JPT> I was already betting on AppArmor or SELinux crashing the party, but those didn't log anything that was denied or blocked.
627 [12:35:50] <ratrace> selinux is not default on debian, you'd have to very knowingly install and break 80% of it. apparmor is, so check journalctl _TRANSPORT=audit | grep "DENIED"
628 [12:36:16] <ratrace> next check filesystem mount options (did it remount ro?) and ACLs with getfacl
629 [12:36:54] <JPT> I'll check getfacl for completeness. :)
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632 [12:38:00] <JPT> getfacl isn't available. That's odd, i expected it to be a standard tool.
633 [12:38:01] <ratrace> oh wait, that's stretch... even apparmor ain't default
634 [12:38:29] <ratrace> getfacl is in package `acl`
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636 [12:39:19] <JPT> I guess i'll install that to inspect acls, but given i sudo into a shell as tomcat, shouldn't all those acls apply for an interactive session, too?
637 [12:39:30] <JPT> I could read, write and create files just fine in that shell
638 [12:39:45] <JPT> Even those that the application complained about that it couldn't in the logs.
639 [12:41:11] <ratrace> ACLs have nothing to do with shell sessions, they're extension to regular DAC permissions
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641 [12:42:40] <JPT> Okay, but ACLs should apply regardless of context. So if tomcat was forbidden to read or write a file, i could verify that by spawning a shell process as tomcat and try it out, right?
642 [12:43:26] <ratrace> assuming that shell also has all the GIDs as the tomcat process
643 [12:43:51] <ratrace> so, you DO have fACLs on those files?
644 [12:44:15] <JPT> I didn't set any, so all that should be there would be setup by debian packages
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646 [12:45:25] <JPT> No ACLs present, just the regular permissions
647 [12:45:40] <ratrace> afaik no debian package installs any fACLs, except systemd/logind that uses them to manage seats and device access
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649 [12:46:26] <JPT> Apart from tomcat9, tomcat9-common and libtomcat9-java only libnss3 was upgraded before the whole thing stopped working.
650 [12:47:06] <ratrace> so, the filesystem didn't remount RO, ther are no fACLs involved, no AppArmor, no SELinux or any other MAC in effect, and you can access files if you run a shell as the same user the tomcat process runs as?
651 [12:47:40] <JPT> That's correct.
652 [12:47:42] <ratrace> did you try with `su -l` just to exclude differences in ENV?
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654 [12:48:06] <ratrace> or sudo -i I think they're equivalent
655 [12:48:16] <JPT> I tried with sudo -u tomcat bash
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657 [12:48:37] <JPT> tomcat has nologin as a shell, so -i and su wouldn't work afaik
658 [12:48:38] <ratrace> right, add -i to that for full login as tomcat
659 [12:48:48] <ratrace> give it a temporary shel
660 [12:49:39] <JPT> That also work's as expected.
661 [12:49:43] <ratrace> which filesystem is that, btw?
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663 [12:49:57] <JPT> Mostly xfs, there's some ext4 in /
664 [12:50:07] <JPT> Pretty sane stuff i think
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666 [12:50:25] <ratrace> well I'm out of ideas then.
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668 [12:50:56] <JPT> That's why i'm curious about the patches for that step from 9.0.31-1~deb10u1 -> 9.0.31-1~deb10u2 for tomcat9
669 [12:50:59] <ratrace> apt get changelog <tomcat or whatever the actual package name is> to see the changelog, if thrre are relevant changes
670 [12:51:04] <ratrace> apt-get changelog ....
671 [12:51:53] <JPT> Those look good. I like fixing security issues. :)
672 [12:53:02] <JPT> But there's nothing mentioned that is related to whatever happened on my machine
673 [12:53:25] <ratrace> oh also... any chroots involved? systemd service unit doing any hardening?
674 [12:54:11] <n1ce> hi, hola
675 [12:54:24] <ratrace> like, ProtectSystem=strict and rw paths NOT marked as such via ReadWritePaths ? PrivateTMP involved somewhere and some process trying /tmp/foo directly?
676 [12:54:50] <JPT> The systemd-unit is unmodified, so it does the usual thing. The ReadWritePaths look fine, they include the paths that the app is complaining about.
677 [12:55:06] <ratrace> JPT: and ProtectSystem=strict?
678 [12:55:15] <JPT> Yup, that's on strict.
679 [12:55:31] <ratrace> try commenting that out, run systemctl daemon-reload and restart your tomcat service. does it still complain?
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683 [12:58:17] <JPT> ... that seemed to have fixed something. I'll track that unit file now, i guess.
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687 [12:58:51] <JPT> Thanks a lot for walking me through this! Now i have to figure out what is going on regarding that. :|
688 [12:59:30] <ratrace> JPT: are CATALINA_* directories mountpoints?
689 [12:59:58] <ratrace> ie. the ones in ReadWritePaths? I'm assuming, as you said the unit file is unmodified, it's identical to this? replaced-url
690 [13:00:04] <JPT> Not directly, but /var is its own partiton, so maybe yes.
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692 [13:00:18] <ratrace> JPT: and this complain is on boot or every time you try to start the service?
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694 [13:01:11] <ratrace> if it's only on boot, there could be a race condition between fs mount and the service starting. which is a bit weird as the unit has RequiresMountsFor
695 [13:01:17] <JPT> The file you linked is 100% the one i'm using (apart from commenting out the ProtectSystem line)
696 [13:01:26] <JPT> The issue comes up everytime tomcat is started
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698 [13:01:53] <JPT> So, no race condition with mounts not being ready
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700 [13:02:20] <ratrace> JPT: well I'd recommend you toy with strace to see what _exactly_ it's trying to access on the filesystem
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702 [13:03:04] <JPT> Good idea
703 [13:04:04] <ratrace> you can add strace to the ExecStart of the unit, use -o to strace into a file, and -f to include children processes, and dont' forget to re-enable ProtectSystem=strict, and systemctl daemon-reload to notice changes
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708 [13:05:57] <ratrace> JPT: alternatively, strace -f -p 1 in one terminal and run systemctl start in the other but that'll have a tiny megaton of extra output from preparing and starting the service itself, which is not what you really need, you need traces AFTER the execve of the ExecStart
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711 [13:06:36] <JPT> strace -o didn't output into /tmp/foo.txt so ... hm.
712 [13:06:45] <JPT> I'll try a readwritepath
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715 [13:07:51] <JPT> Logging that into a file was a wise choice. I already got about 24M worth of strace
716 [13:07:53] <ratrace> oh one more thing.... I don't know if CacheDirectory would implicitly add /var/cache/tomcat9 to the internal list of ReadWritePaths, so perhaps add THAT one as well to ReadWritePaths explicitly, see if it fixes it
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718 [13:08:53] <JPT> I'll try that once i get my exception logged, so i can stop strace :)
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720 [13:09:39] <JPT> 113M of strace. Nice. Now for the next experiment
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722 [13:10:45] <ratrace> you can grep for the paths it's complainig about, see just the syscalls related to them
723 [13:11:53] <ratrace> brb food
724 [13:12:07] <JPT> :)
725 [13:12:27] <JPT> openat() returns with EROFS. What the hell...
726 [13:13:12] <JPT> That file is perfectly writable
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729 [13:16:29] <JPT> Look like adding the cache directory didn't help
730 [13:17:04] <JPT> So to sum it up: ProtectSystem=strict somehow results in syscalls for opening files to come back with EROFS, which is misleading
731 [13:17:23] <JPT> I just realized something.
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733 [13:19:19] <JPT> Let's add the webapp directory to that list which we - for SOME reason - did place in a completely different location.
734 [13:19:36] <JPT> This is pure evil
735 [13:20:16] <JPT> How did this ever work before?
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737 [13:21:47] <JPT> Yep, that helps. Alright, i call my issue solved. ratrace, thank you so much for holding my hand and giving ideas!
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739 [13:28:26] <ratrace> JPT: yw
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741 [13:30:47] <JPT> :)
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795 [15:05:48] <radkos> Hello I'm having trouble with nvme performance under Debian 10
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797 [15:06:50] <radkos> Under ubuntu 20.04 it's better. I'm trying to find the reason in some kind of module - but no luck so far.
798 [15:07:17] <radkos> The NVME model is SAMSUNG MZ1LW1T9HMLS-00003
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802 [15:12:00] <diogenes_> radkos, cat /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler
803 [15:12:04] <diogenes_> what does it say?
804 [15:12:26] <ratrace> radkos: define "better"
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811 [15:27:36] <radkos> well I'm having 8,94 Load avg /1 min on Debian 10 comparing to 1,24 Lavg/1 min under Ubuntu 20.04
812 [15:28:29] <ratrace> radkos: that's a very vague measure that doesn't say anything at all
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814 [15:29:15] <ratrace> if you have 1m load avg of nearly 9, it'd be easy to look up the process tree or top and see which processes are causing it, compared to same on ubuntu, for the same workload you're comparing
815 [15:30:04] <radkos> It's while doing FIO test
816 [15:30:16] <radkos> same command on both OSes
817 [15:30:28] <radkos> date; echo; fio --filename=/dev/nvme0n1 --direct=1 --rw=randread --bs=4k --ioengine=libaio --iodepth=256 --runtime=600 --numjobs=10 --time_based --group_reporting --name=iops-test-job --readonly --output=fio_log.randread4k.log; date
818 [15:31:16] <ratrace> radkos: and aside from load avg that doesn't really saay anything, what are the final numbers in terms of IOPS and bandwidth? same? similar? very different?
819 [15:31:51] <radkos> and ksoftirqd is eating like 70% CPU which is signal for a trouble
820 [15:32:25] <radkos> IOPS are the same just seems that CPU irq can't handle it
821 [15:32:34] <ratrace> don't forget you're running two different kernel versions with a number of releases between them
822 [15:33:02] <radkos> I did install 5.4 from backports
823 [15:33:11] <radkos> the result is still the same
824 [15:33:52] <ratrace> so same IOPS and bandwidth on fio?
825 [15:34:04] <radkos> yes
826 [15:34:58] <radkos> forgot to mention it's happening with XEN hypervisor - the package versions are the same just builder is different
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828 [15:36:39] <ratrace> what ELSE do you have there's that WAY different from your original question :)))
829 [15:37:07] <ratrace> It's debian. Okay, not really it's a dom0 Debian. Okay not really, it's dom0 Debian with backported kernel. Okay not really it's Ubuntu.
830 [15:37:18] <ratrace> sorry, domU. stop confuzing me :)
831 [15:38:06] <ratrace> so, like, is the Ubuntu thing you compared to ALSO a domU?
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835 [15:42:56] <radkos> yes I've compared it with Ubuntu with domU
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837 [15:43:30] <ratrace> radkos: all the relevant firmware loaded in both?
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844 [15:48:48] <radkos> that's the thing I'm trying to find if the firmware regarding this NVMe device is different
845 [15:49:11] <radkos> all I have is installed nonfree firmware on debian and linux-firmware installed by default in ubuntu
846 [15:49:59] <radkos> on third run of FIO I've found calltrace
847 [15:50:00] <radkos> [ 1015.472572] igb 0000:0d:00.0 eno1: Reset adapter
848 [15:50:00] <radkos> [ 1050.769229] rcu: INFO: rcu_sched self-detected stall on CPU
849 [15:50:00] <radkos> [ 1050.769278] rcu: 0-....: (1 GPs behind) idle=3ae/1/0x4000000000000004 softirq=4458/4459 fqs=2187
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852 [15:53:18] <radkos> another possible reason might be availability of linux-modules under Ubuntu - which I thing is an extra package of modules for some devices
853 [15:53:24] <radkos> *think
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857 [15:58:10] <ratrace> radkos: there are three places where the differences could mean something: kernel version, kernel patches (SAUCE patches on Ubuntu that aren't upstreamed), firmware package version
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911 [16:50:39] <genr8_> actually Im having the same issue with NVME performance
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914 [16:51:53] <genr8_> sounds very similar to his
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926 [17:11:40] <genr8_> i see a vastly different result between 2 drives. 140MB/s vs 1200MB/s reads. writes are around 70 at the start but drops down to 15, vs 277 sustained on the other one. gonna change slots on my motherboard.
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930 [17:13:43] <NetTerminalGene> i get 30 MB/s write performance with my ssd
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933 [17:16:15] <ratrace> y'all also check if you've got TRIM enabled, perhaps switch to fstrim daily or weekly runs
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936 [17:19:24] <genr8_> thats not auto enabled?
937 [17:19:58] <NetTerminalGene> ,v thunderbird
938 [17:19:59] <judd> Package: thunderbird on amd64 -- jessie: 1:52.8.0-1~deb8u1; buster: 1:68.7.0-1~deb10u1; jessie-security: 1:68.9.0-1~deb8u2; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:68.9.0-1~deb9u1; stretch: 1:68.10.0-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 1:68.10.0-1~deb9u1; buster-proposed-updates: 1:68.10.0-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 1:68.10.0-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 1:68.10.0-1; sid: 1:68.10.0-1;
939 [17:20:00] <judd> experimental: 1:78.0-1
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941 [17:20:47] <genr8_> whats the deal if i have LVM. where do i set the discard mount ?
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946 [17:25:11] <genr8_> my LVM seems to have discard on it, but it doesnt show that it does...
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949 [17:28:27] <frostschutz> genr8_, lvm has a issue_discards option, but that just means it removes your data when you lvremove. discard for filesystems always works normally, lvm does not change anything there
950 [17:28:50] <genr8_> fstrim[21468]: /home: 336.8 GiB (361649537024 bytes) trimmed on /dev/mapper/HELLOGOODBYE--vg-home
951 [17:28:52] <n_1-c_k> I'm looking for a contacts editor that can import and export .vcf files, any recommendations?
952 [17:28:56] <genr8_> omfg
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954 [17:30:21] <frostschutz> genr8_, that's just how much free space you have, it doesn't mean it wasn't trimmed before, that only the ssd itself knows
955 [17:30:28] <genr8_> oh
956 [17:31:44] <genr8_> actually im not sure about that. I just ran it again, and it came back with 0
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958 [17:32:02] <frostschutz> genr8_, reboot and it'll do all free space again
959 [17:32:14] <genr8_> ok
960 [17:33:02] <frostschutz> that's unless you have a filesystem that remembers these across reboots... ext4 doesn't... xfs always trims everything even if you don't reboot between. you're not supposed to run fstrim that often anyway
961 [17:33:43] <genr8_> I think that fixed it...
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966 [17:35:27] <frostschutz> make sure to have good backups... there is no data recovery after trim
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988 [17:49:34] <ratrace> genr8_: that output means that 336 GB was actually trimmed. I also set fstrim to run daily instead of weekly for more frequent and smaller trims
989 [17:50:38] <ratrace> anyway, problem with online trim is that some/many SSD firmwares are buggy. linux kernel contains a blacklist^W denylist of devices with buggy TRIM and will block them, but that list isn't complete
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999 [18:00:45] <dadinn> hi all
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1002 [18:01:40] <dadinn> Is there a way to test for crypsetup LUKSv2 format support in scripts?
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1007 [18:06:29] <epictetus2> dadinn: cryptsetup --version
1008 [18:06:30] <epictetus2> cryptsetup 2.1.0
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1011 [18:07:25] <dadinn> epictetus2: thanks a lot! exactly what I was hoping! ;)
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1021 [18:14:21] <annadane> a version number can tell you if it has support in scripts? what/
1022 [18:14:23] <annadane> ?
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1026 [18:16:00] <ratrace> cryptsetup support luks2 as of 2.0.0
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1028 [18:17:02] <yanmaani> I ran apt-get dist-upgrade, and I got a few 'no space left on device messages', but the exit code was zero. Is tehre anything I can do to fix it?
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1031 [18:18:10] <ratrace> aside from freeing up space?
1032 [18:18:30] <yanmaani> the space is freed up now; I had some applications that were being updated open, so the old files weren't cleaned properly
1033 [18:18:44] <yanmaani> but did it break my system?
1034 [18:19:18] <yanmaani> It said "dkms: WARNING: Linux headers are missing, which may explain the above failures.", but there weren't any failures above. Should I worry about that?
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1037 [18:22:04] <annadane> sure, but then you have to know it's supported as of luks2 and if you have to ask the question it takes a mental leap to go from cryptsetup --version to "yes, it's supported"
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1039 [18:23:03] <yanmaani> huh? Did my install break and is there anything I can do to fix it?
1040 [18:24:02] <epictetus2> yanmaani: no you are fine. run dist-upgrade again and apt upgrade and see what happens
1041 [18:25:10] <ratrace> yanmaani: frankly I'm not sure if dpkg does fully transactional installations, something tells me it doesn't. to be safe, I'd look up which packages were upgraded via /var/log/apt/history.log, and I'd run a reinstall for them, after trying just dist-upgrade again
1042 [18:26:20] <yanmaani> epictetus2: thanks. nothing happens so it seems fine
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1047 [18:30:23] <ratrace> yanmaani: I'd still re-run the installations. or you can try debsums and check package integrity. for example, I know for a fact that post-inst scripts may fail and the package would not be marked failed
1048 [18:30:30] <ratrace> so it's not fully transactional.
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1050 [18:31:11] <epictetus2> restore your system from backups and do it again. BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE BACKUPS RIGHT?
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1054 [18:33:06] <yanmaani> epictetus2: I keep backups of my home dir but I've never actually bothered with slash. hm maybe I should do that
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1056 [18:33:28] <greycat> /home and /etc are the two most critical thinsg to back up
1057 [18:33:30] <yanmaani> oooh debsums, that seems promising
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1060 [18:34:23] <epictetus2> yanmaani: on personal systems? nah I dont bother either. I only have redundant backups of ~/real_home/
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1062 [18:42:23] <jhutchins> I've never had problems with apt* failing to clean up files for open programs.
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1064 [18:48:16] <ratrace> I'd be more concerned with files not installed or updated due to 'no space left on device'
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1124 [19:39:41] <Regor> how to check recently installed applications in a week ? any filter/ grep witin apt ..?
1125 [19:40:31] <annadane> well you can check /var/log/apt/history.log and scroll to the bottom
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1132 [19:45:40] <erentar> how can i manually trigger an offline upgrade
1133 [19:45:49] <erentar> gnome-software broke
1134 [19:46:47] <Regor> thanks..
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1158 [20:07:20] <mason> Oh... Does the Buster fdisk support gpt well enough to be safe now? I'm wondering if it's time to discard gdisk.
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1160 [20:07:42] <greycat> fdisk has supported GPT for *several* releases... since jessie, I think
1161 [20:07:58] <mason> greycat: Ah, nice nice. One tool to rule them all. \o/
1162 [20:08:25] <greycat> Yeah, just checked the jessie man page and it says it supports GPT.
1163 [20:08:54] <greycat> The wheezy man page explicitly says it doesn't support GPT.
1164 [20:08:57] <mason> If it's been in that long, that's enough time for the sharp edges to have worn away on the flesh of the neophiles.
1165 [20:09:56] <mason> !sns
1166 [20:09:56] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
1167 [20:10:12] <mason> ^ My favourite thing on IRC.
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1173 [20:12:22] <annadane> funnily enough we have two factoids for it
1174 [20:12:25] <annadane> !sns syndrome
1175 [20:12:25] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
1176 [20:12:43] <greycat> dpkg literal sns syndrome
1177 [20:12:43] <dpkg> "sns syndrome" is "<reply> see sns"
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1198 [20:37:08] <annadane> where can i see patches for an already installed package?
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1200 [20:38:13] <towo`> about what patches you speak?
1201 [20:38:23] <rudi_s> annadane: apt-get source package and look in the debian/patches/ directory
1202 [20:38:24] <annadane> just generally
1203 [20:38:25] <greycat> packages.debian.org/yourpkg -> pick a version -> "Download Source Package" menu, you can fetch just the debian.tar.xz or whatever
1204 [20:38:50] <annadane> ah ok i just thought there was an existing way to do it that has escaped my attention beyond apt source package
1205 [20:38:55] <annadane> had*
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1207 [20:40:06] <genr8_> finally I figured out where my default application assosciations were stored: ~/.config/mimeapps.list
1208 [20:40:14] <WizJin> hello, i am facing a weird issue.. i just created a VPS on vultr, installed debian 10.3. Now if i try to connect via Console facility of vultr, the root password works but the very same password does not work while i log in from putty or bitvise
1209 [20:40:45] <greycat> ssh denied root logins by default; you can change that in sshd_config
1210 [20:41:12] <WizJin> ok
1211 [20:41:15] <greycat> grep PermitRoot /etc/ssh/sshd_config
1212 [20:41:21] <genr8_> the console on vultr is a physical terminal
1213 [20:41:28] <genr8_> tty1
1214 [20:42:01] <genr8_> i havent found a way to break that yet :) good feature from Vultr
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1216 [20:42:31] <WizJin> yes, its set as prohibit-password
1217 [20:42:44] <WizJin> what should i change it to ?
1218 [20:42:50] <greycat> yes
1219 [20:43:06] <greycat> and don't forget to remove the # comment character (or copy the line and remove the # on the copy)
1220 [20:43:15] <ZeNEX> Hello guys, weird issue: when I launch Konsole I am in the sudo group. When I launch gnome-terminal I am not in the sudo group, what's going on??
1221 [20:43:27] <genr8_> you should really be using SSH keys for root logins on publicly exposed SSH ports
1222 [20:43:37] <greycat> ZeNEX: did you change your groups since you last logged in to GNOME?
1223 [20:44:11] <rudi_s> WizJin: But be very careful when doing this on a public port like gen<tab> said. There are many scanners out there which will attempt many passwords to gain root access.
1224 [20:44:13] <genr8_> when you add yourself to a group, it doesnt take effect till you re-login or start a new session
1225 [20:44:15] <ZeNEX> Nope, I logged out, then logged in, verified I was in sudo, *then* installed gnome-terminal
1226 [20:44:26] <greycat> or, is your gnome-terminal possibly using a multiplexed persistent session, from the distant past, when you were not in that group yet?
1227 [20:44:30] <rudi_s> So best only consider that as a temporary action and use pubkeys when you can.
1228 [20:44:36] <ZeNEX> greycat, maybe that's it
1229 [20:44:58] <ZeNEX> admittedly, I have no idea what a m. session is
1230 [20:45:55] <greycat> like, tmux or screen ... or whatever the flip gnome-terminal does
1231 [20:46:04] <ZeNEX> I'll reboot, if I don't come back that means it worked, thanks
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1233 [20:47:39] <genr8_> WizJin, if you insist on being lazy and using a password, make it a VERY strong password, 12 chars + and follow the complexity rules. "PermitRootLogin yes" is the directive you're looking for. also make sure "PasswordAuthentication yes" is on.
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1235 [20:48:49] <WizJin> i am not familar with publickey method but i need to usually access this box from multiple other boxes, so i assume for publickey method i will have to generate key for each client right ?
1236 [20:48:52] <greycat> Key logins are strongly advised if it's exposed to the Internet.
1237 [20:49:42] <mutante> WizJin: you don't have to, you could also just copy/paste the same key. usually people recommend using one for each client though
1238 [20:50:19] <greycat> You generally want to avoid ever copying the private key, if possible.
1239 [20:50:35] <WizJin> this is just a temp vps for something i am experimenting with
1240 [20:50:43] <WizJin> i ll probably destory it in 3-4 days
1241 [20:50:55] <WizJin> and host the solution on a full-fledged server
1242 [20:51:02] <mutante> the botnets will start testing your password within the first hour though
1243 [20:51:03] <WizJin> but anyways, i need to learn this private key affair
1244 [20:51:18] <WizJin> so i ll take that road ahead
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1254 [20:55:42] <gordonfish> One of the first thing I do when setting up a new server (often VPSs) for a client that there's any chance I'll need to access again, is set key auth only for ssh (along with some iptables/nftables to further lock it down.)
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1295 [21:33:38] <jhutchins> Also good to run it on an alternative port.
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1321 [22:08:22] <genr8_> is there a way in "ls" to chase down and follow all symlinks when im trying to "ls" a symlink and it leads to like 6 more symlinks (like when related to the "alternatives" system)
1322 [22:08:34] <greycat> ls -lL
1323 [22:09:13] <genr8_> ok that leads me to the end. what about the ones in the middle. bash script time?
1324 [22:09:14] <greycat> depends on what you actually want to see, though
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1327 [22:10:03] <genr8_> actually that didnt even work properly. the path wasnt right
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1329 [22:10:38] <greycat> "ls -lL /usr/bin/vi" for example shows me the size and permissions and so on for the ultimate target of the /usr/bin/vi symlink chain
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1331 [22:10:51] <greycat> but it doesn't show me the *location* of the final target, if that's what you were after
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1333 [22:10:59] <genr8_> yeaaa
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1335 [22:12:52] <NetTerminalGene> when will debian 10 be released?
1336 [22:12:57] <NetTerminalGene> debian 11*
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1338 [22:13:04] <greycat> !bullseye
1339 [22:13:04] <dpkg> The release following Debian 10 "Buster" is codenamed "Bullseye" (Woody's horse in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 11. It is the current "testing" release. Remember that straight after a stable release, all sorts of mess suddenly lands in "testing" and it is best avoided if you don't like debugging things. replaced-url
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1341 [22:13:23] <sney> when it's ready. (probably around this time next year)
1342 [22:13:25] <greycat> pretty sure there's a partial timeline on the wiki page... doesn't seem to be linked from the factoid though
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1344 [22:13:50] <NetTerminalGene> they say gnome 3.16 is very smooth
1345 [22:14:09] <NetTerminalGene> 3.36*
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1349 [22:16:06] <ratrace> like a lubricated giant baloon covered in silk?
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1354 [22:22:58] <annadane> replaced-url
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1356 [22:24:23] <tarzeau> is someone doing npm packages in here? i really like homebridge.io but i just install npm, then npm install the stuff i need
1357 [22:24:35] <tarzeau> (i'm aware of npm2deb thing)
1358 [22:25:40] <tarzeau> NetTerminalGene: i've got a guess of when the next stable release comes out at replaced-url
1359 [22:26:21] <greycat> the announcements of the actual projected timeline by the Debian devs has pretty much killed the "betting pools"
1360 [22:26:55] <tarzeau> where can i read those announcements?
1361 [22:27:09] <greycat> replaced-url
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1363 [22:27:32] <tarzeau> i've got a home in the forest (it's fiber internet connected) but still. /me goes read that up (i never run that old stable stuff, i call it software from yesterday)
1364 [22:27:42] <greycat> which links to ... uh, a broken link, but it shoudl be replaced-url
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1366 [22:28:03] <tarzeau> link worked for me, 2021-02-12 soft freeze, +1 month hard freeze
1367 [22:28:09] * greycat fixes
1368 [22:28:50] <greycat> crap... should be replaced-url
1369 [22:28:57] <greycat> that's what I changed it to, since that's the one that works
1370 [22:29:02] <greycat> I don't know why it pasted the broken one in IRC
1371 [22:29:07] <tarzeau> ah
1372 [22:29:25] <tarzeau> let's release, nice slogan below the title, misses the let's dance
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