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0 [00:00:20] <annadane> ,v ansible
1 [00:00:21] <judd> Package: ansible on amd64 -- jessie: 1.7.2+dfsg-2; jessie-security: 1.7.2+dfsg-2+deb8u3; stretch: 2.2.1.0-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.2.1.0-2+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 2.7.5+dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.7.7+dfsg-1; buster-backports: 2.9.6+dfsg-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 2.9.9+dfsg-1; sid: 2.9.9+dfsg-1
2 [00:00:25] <annadane> CarlFK, ^
3 [00:00:41] <CarlFK> annadane: bingo! thank you
4 [00:00:43] <annadane> 2.7 in stable and 2.9 in backports
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33 [00:35:04] <Swift110-mobile> I've already got the bluez package installed as well as blueman
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38 [00:36:38] <annadane> i didn't see the question but if bluetooth isn't working you might be missing the firmware for it
39 [00:36:42] <annadane> sudo dmesg | grep -i firmware
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64 [01:06:23] <Unit193> CarlFK: While it may not help you, `rmadison` from pkg:devscripts is a commandline utility that can also show you that information.
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66 [01:07:19] <CarlFK> Unit193: thanks for that too
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68 [01:08:24] <Unit193> Happy to help.
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115 [01:58:25] <tomreyn> CarlFK: also replaced-url
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193 [03:35:49] <nvz> o/
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258 [05:19:20] <sponix> Anyone in here use jellyfin and have it setup to scrape metadata for adult content ?
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260 [05:26:23] <nvz> heh
261 [05:26:36] <nvz> thats the 2nd media server thing I've not heard of this week
262 [05:28:08] <nvz> they got IPDB now? Internet Pr0n Database?
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274 [05:44:33] <mirandale> Hi everyone, Im trying to install debian with a non-free iso, durinf the installlation ask me about my wifi drive iwlwifi
275 [05:45:33] <nvz> an den?
276 [05:45:50] <mirandale> im only wifi and im trying to put the iwlwifi*.deb into a usb file but still give me an error with is not the specific core
277 [05:46:51] <mirandale> for my laptop the wiki said only to put the iwlwifi into a usb but something is missing
278 [05:47:09] <nvz> !firmware images
279 [05:47:09] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
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290 [06:01:51] <mirandale> the same thing
291 [06:02:16] <mirandale> my laptop is a lenovo thinkpad x1 7th
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293 [06:02:37] <mirandale> something happen with the iwlwifi
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295 [06:02:58] <mirandale> Im tried with the non-free netinstaller
296 [06:03:32] <mirandale> I put the package in a usb also but is not recognice
297 [06:04:47] <sponix> nvz: pretty close "data18" has most everything
298 [06:05:11] <sponix> nvz: Jellyfin is a fork off of Emby that is a Plex type media server
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300 [06:06:08] <mirandale> can anyone help me please? Im installing debian but the iwlwifi driver is missing, I tried with non-free but the same thing
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302 [06:06:43] <mirandale> also I put the iwlwifi*.deb in a usb but still something missing
303 [06:07:21] <sponix> mirandale: what specific kind of wifi chipset is this ?
304 [06:07:34] <mirandale> intel
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306 [06:07:42] <mirandale> iwlwifi driver
307 [06:07:55] <mirandale> lenovo thinkpad x1 carbon 7th
308 [06:08:09] <sponix> is that a super new laptop ?
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310 [06:08:29] <mirandale> pretty much
311 [06:09:08] <nvz> yes just took me the last 5 minutes googling to even figure out what wifi it may have and what the pciid might be
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313 [06:09:22] <sponix> mirandale: does it actually have an ethernet port ?
314 [06:09:30] <mirandale> no my friend
315 [06:09:33] <mirandale> only wifi
316 [06:09:54] <sponix> nvz: Yeah, I was thinking it has to be super new to not have Intel support in the kernel by default
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318 [06:09:58] <nvz> likely intel wireless ac 9560 with either 8086:a370 or 8086:0034
319 [06:10:42] <sponix> hmm... Well here goes
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322 [06:11:17] <mirandale> replaced-url
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324 [06:11:40] <mirandale> does not work for me
325 [06:11:43] <sponix> mirandale: download the latest MX Linux "AHS" image, make a USB Stick of it, and boot that, see if you have wifi on the Live USB
326 [06:12:36] <nvz> @.@
327 [06:12:55] <nvz> !mx linux
328 [06:12:55] <dpkg> MX-18 Linux is based on Debian stretch; MX-19 is based on Debian buster. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at replaced-url
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330 [06:14:03] <alexrelis[m]> mirandale: Try using `linux-image-amd64` and `firmware-iwlwifi` from the official backports repository. You can add the backports repo here: replaced-url
331 [06:14:04] <mirandale> sponix: thank you Im gonna doi it
332 [06:16:13] <nvz> well, I guess I'll stop looking for a real solution and go back to watching netflix.. since we're just going with stupid here
333 [06:16:40] <nvz> fwiw the backports thing probably wont work
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336 [06:16:52] <nvz> and even if it did, its irrelevant DURING the install
337 [06:17:12] <nvz> and the mx linux thing is just ignorant cause they have like no support community
338 [06:17:16] <nvz> and we don't support it here
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340 [06:17:54] <mirandale> :(
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342 [06:19:35] <sponix> alexrelis[m]: it is hard for him to do that with no networking available -- isn't it ? ... This thing has no ethernet port
343 [06:20:57] <alexrelis[m]> sponix: It can be done if he makes a hotspot on his phone or uses an external network card.
344 [06:22:09] <sponix> alexrelis[m]: so he need to purchase an USB-to-Ethernet adapter like I used for my Hackintosh prior. Or another USB Wifi option... To make his internal Wifi work ?
345 [06:22:27] <sponix> This is the standard... And my option was stupid - LOL
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347 [06:23:07] <sponix> mirandale: MX AHS branch likely ships with kernel 5.4 or even 5.6 - with much better chances of supporting your Wifi on the live install and out of the box on the system after
348 [06:23:29] <sponix> Warning though: It is NOT pure Debian 10
349 [06:24:09] <mirandale> sponix, Im gonna check, I have a usb wifi also
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351 [06:24:21] <mirandale> im gonna try with the usb wifi
352 [06:24:31] <alexrelis[m]> nvz: What do you suggest if what we're saying is so ignorant?
353 [06:24:37] <sponix> mirandale: well, if you already have one of those handy -- sure, might as well give it a shot
354 [06:25:07] <mirandale> thank you my friend
355 [06:25:09] <sponix> mirandale: backports has kernel 5.6 in it right now
356 [06:25:13] <mirandale> Im gonna reboot now
357 [06:25:31] <mirandale> ok thank you
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359 [06:25:35] <nvz> idk its goin on 1am, I'm tired, funny asian man is on netflix.. and I dont have any clue what hardware we're even talkin about here
360 [06:25:38] <sponix> alexrelis[m]: I just have my fingers crossed that his USB wifi dongle is well supported :)
361 [06:26:13] <alexrelis[m]> sponix: I wish you luck. If not, try using a USB hotspot on your phone,
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363 [06:27:02] <nvz> the debian wiki and lenovo.com disagree.. this could be any of a long list of cards supported or not supported by iwlwifi is all I know.. and since you were throwing around silly solutions I saw no reason to keep trying to figure out what the actual card was and what would actually work
364 [06:27:25] <sponix> alexrelis[m]: oh... like plug the phone into the Linux computer and try to get internet to the computer that way ? I've not ever done that method before
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382 [06:42:48] <alexrelis[m]> sponix: Yes.
383 [06:44:30] <alexrelis[m]> Btw, sponix. Open up a terminal and type in `lspci`. If you are able to find the name of your wireless card, tell us. I will try to look to see which binary firmware you'll need. Thanks.
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390 [06:48:57] <sponix2ipfw> alexrelis[m]: read up. It was mirandale who needed help
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458 [09:05:57] <AquaL1te> is there a way to disable the feature that a package starts a service when it's installed? it's really a flawed default. since default configurations are rarely secure to simply start right after installing it.
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462 [09:08:29] <ksk> AquaL1te: No, there is not as far as I know.
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464 [09:08:45] <ksk> But configurations in debian _should_ be secure by default, in contrast to your assesment.
465 [09:08:49] <ratrace> AquaL1te: for systemd services iirc you can precreate a devnull symlink so it's disabled
466 [09:09:25] <TuxCrazy> hello.. I need to install an application on Debian. Can someone help me in doing that?
467 [09:09:50] <TuxCrazy> I want to install this package. replaced-url
468 [09:10:00] <AquaL1te> ratrace: unless debian also does an 'enable'. but i'm not really looking for such a fix. the root cause is debian's default to simply launch anything that's installed
469 [09:10:02] <TuxCrazy> replaced-url
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471 [09:10:47] <TuxCrazy> it requires a web server with PHP installed.
472 [09:10:51] <ratrace> AquaL1te: that's a very valid fix. if you run systemctl mask some.service that's exactly what it would happen, a symlink to devnull
473 [09:11:35] <ratrace> AquaL1te: if you're looking for changing the behavior at the package manager level, there's no config option for that, no
474 [09:12:10] <ratrace> it also restarts services on update, which is _my_ pet peeve, sometimes you need to orchestrate restarts of several services and the package manager is messing that up
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478 [09:17:57] <AquaL1te> ratrace: are you sure? after each update i have to run 'needrestart' to check and restart services with links to deleted memory addresses AKA didn't restart while software is updated
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480 [09:18:26] <ksk> AquaL1te: you are referring to cross references, so to say.
481 [09:18:40] <ksk> we are talking about "service A" restarts if you update "Package A"
482 [09:19:04] <AquaL1te> ksk: you're right, my bad
483 [09:19:54] <ratrace> AquaL1te: yes, the package'd service _will_ restart. dependencies won't unless configured so via systemd units. also, it won't restart services on library updates, which is also a major reason why unattended upgrades is inefficient and shouldn't be used
484 [09:20:41] <AquaL1te> not to sound like a complaining b$$#% but, automatic restarting services is also a wrong default. especially with sensitive HA setups and in general. but i guess it's a hard default that can't be changed in this distro
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486 [09:22:12] <ratrace> AquaL1te: I fully agree with you
487 [09:22:35] <themill> (that's also configurable with policy-rc.d)
488 [09:22:48] <ratrace> does policy-rc.d affect systemd services too?
489 [09:23:16] <themill> yes
490 [09:23:25] <ratrace> oh that's new to me
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493 [09:26:43] <AquaL1te> themill: i'll check it out, thanks!
494 [09:27:58] <ratrace> from reading about it, apparently that should work, but it's global. by masking services you can affect only selected.
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496 [09:31:08] <themill> replaced-url
497 [09:32:02] <ratrace> just tried a test with simple "exit 101" in the policy-rc.d script, indeed I get "invoke-rc.d: policy-rc.d denied execution of restart." when installing a service
498 [09:32:22] <ratrace> (a systemd service)
499 [09:32:48] <ratrace> I always thought that was pre-systemd api. TIL
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502 [09:37:24] <themill> it has been around for a long time indeed; the debian packaging for touching services files just learnt how to deal with it when systemd was added
503 [09:37:26] <ratrace> themill: your link, why does it check for existence of dpkg in ps tree? are there any other scenarios where policy-rc.d is invoked and 101 should _not_ be returned?
504 [09:38:34] <themill> Not these days, but people used type "invoke-rc.d" to start things under sysvinit and you don't want that to be prevented from working
505 [09:38:45] <ratrace> ah I See
506 [09:39:18] <themill> tbh they probably should have used "service" not "invoke-rc.d" but some feigned an allergy to 'service' as it might have had something to do with redhat...
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508 [09:40:10] <themill> !invoke-rc.d
509 [09:40:10] <dpkg> [invoke-rc.d] a way of starting or stopping daemons such as a mail server, cron, etc. invoke-rc.d has advantages over running the init script directly in that it is easier to tab complete, it will play nicely with dependency-based init systems like <insserv> and <upstart>. It can also be controlled with a <policy-rc.d> script. invoke-rc.d *must* be used in maintainer scripts -- see policy s9.3.3.2.
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511 [09:40:31] <themill> dredging through history there
512 [09:41:04] <ozfalcon> How would I force write all pending inode updates to disk?
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514 [09:43:01] <ratrace> ozfalcon: `sync` perhaps?
515 [09:44:02] <ozfalcon> ratrace, Nah that doesn't do it.
516 [09:44:23] <ratrace> ozfalcon: then what _exactly_ do you want to achieve? what are "pending inode updates"?
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519 [09:44:49] <ozfalcon> The long answer?
520 [09:44:57] <ratrace> if they're pending due to dirty page commits, then sync is what you want. if they're pending due to other reasons, I doubt there's a way, as the kernel decides
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522 [09:47:13] <ozfalcon> (Yesterday) After fsck cleaned up the drive, I copied about 73GB back to it. I then used the sync command flush any pending data.
523 [09:48:22] <sussudio> what caused the fsck event
524 [09:48:32] <ratrace> themill: AquaL1te: looking at this, it's possible to write policy-rc.d such that it allows starts but disallows restarts, which is what I'd want. not sure if there's edge cases here by packages stopping and starting instead of restarting... replaced-url
525 [09:48:50] <ozfalcon> After that, There was another power outage. Then when I did fsck again, There were many inode discrepancies from the files I just copied.
526 [09:48:56] <ratrace> ozfalcon: that'd be the dirty page commit flush.
527 [09:49:17] <sussudio> did you run a long smart test
528 [09:49:36] <ratrace> well you can flush them but they won't be committed instantly. it's limited by io bandwidth and some other factors
529 [09:49:38] <sussudio> also, UPSes are not that expensive anymore.
530 [09:49:42] <ozfalcon> sussudio, no, the drive is fine.
531 [09:49:49] <ratrace> sussudio: irrelevant for the issue at hand
532 [09:50:00] <ozfalcon> sussudio, My ups is out on the table awaiting new batteries.
533 [09:50:40] <ozfalcon> Just my luck to have a power out while i am servicing the ups.
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535 [09:51:14] <sussudio> didn't elon musk's company build a very large ups-like thing in australia for events like these
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537 [09:51:33] <ozfalcon> (Actually I have 3 ups's one for the server, one for my workstation and one spare)
538 [09:51:37] <ratrace> ozfalcon: one of my pet peeves with the linux kernel is the lie of cached writes. you dd or cp something, it exits but the drive is still churning. you sync, but it's still going strong. and not all tools or filesystems will allow O_DIRECT and similar access modes
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540 [09:52:08] <ratrace> in case of removable media, you're not always sure when it's safe to remove...
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542 [09:53:15] <ozfalcon> sussudio, The power outage was due to a power breaker tripping (A power supply failed and shorted the mains)
543 [09:53:36] <sussudio> i have a broken zip-like drive here, speaking of "not safe to remove"...
544 [09:53:55] <sussudio> ozfalcon: at least it didn't set half a town on fire, like in california.
545 [09:54:28] <ozfalcon> ratrace, I found this. But not sure it's safe or relevant: replaced-url
546 [09:55:16] <ozfalcon> ratrace, Specifically section 2. Clear dentries and inodes.
547 [09:55:32] <ratrace> ozfalcon: no that's irrelevant, that's for cached pages
548 [09:55:54] <ratrace> (orthogonal to pages being dirty or not)
549 [09:56:23] <ozfalcon> I could force it by unmounting the filesystem
550 [09:56:44] <ozfalcon> But that seems a very hacky way to do it.
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553 [09:57:40] <ratrace> umouting implies a fsync, so calling `sync` first does it
554 [09:57:43] <sussudio> there was a power outage in a newly built area here last month, and one of the buildings had a brand new backup generator, that had apparently never been tested after install. it exploded.
555 [09:58:36] <ozfalcon> ratrace, sync -f ?
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557 [09:59:46] <ratrace> with -f you just specify the filesystem you wanna flush yes
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559 [09:59:50] <ozfalcon> ratrace, So would that be: sync -f /mnt/WAD
560 [10:00:05] <ratrace> wihtout -f it commits all dirty pages in all filesystems
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563 [10:00:21] <ozfalcon> WAD=Where's All the Data ;)
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565 [10:01:20] <ozfalcon> except that it doesn't (As I found out after the second power drop)
566 [10:02:01] <ratrace> ozfalcon: it does. but you can't prevent new data to become dirty
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569 [10:03:04] <ozfalcon> I wonder if I should just unmount and run a fsck just to be sure it's ok after writing 73GB to it.
570 [10:03:40] <ratrace> I would.
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573 [10:04:05] <ozfalcon> yeah, Just have to stop the nfs server 1st
574 [10:05:48] <ratrace> oh you were copying over nfs?
575 [10:06:24] <ozfalcon> No, thats just for read only access. I have smb setup for login/password writing.
576 [10:07:26] <ozfalcon> Yeah that was doing something (writing) when unmounting cause it took about 10-15 seconds to unmount.
577 [10:09:03] <ozfalcon> fsck was clean. Better do a forced check as well.
578 [10:11:38] <ozfalcon> forced check was clean
579 [10:12:59] <ozfalcon> That's really dodgy on the inodes/dentries (???) the copy finished about 4-5 hours ago and it appeared (By how long it too to unmount) to still not written them.
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604 [10:38:42] <AquaL1te> ratrace: how did you test the disabled auto-start feature for systemd services? i don't even have /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d installed. i did find something like this: replaced-url
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609 [10:42:07] <brutser> i tried updating to 5.6 kernel, also xanmod kernel at 5.7.9, sometimes the error disappears, but on a clean install i always get: AMD-Vi: Unable to read/write to IOMMU perf counter
610 [10:42:07] <ratrace> AquaL1te: create the file, then (re)install something you know has a systemd service
611 [10:42:50] <brutser> so many reports of this, but not a real solution i can find, iommu=soft kernel parameter is useless and i need IOMMU, so turning it off is also not an option ^
612 [10:43:09] <brutser> anyone here experienced this error and has an actual solution found?
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616 [10:44:56] <ratrace> AquaL1te: create the file with a shebang and exit 101, I mean
617 [10:45:01] <AquaL1te> ratrace: true, but it just seems weird to put something in /usr/sbin to configure something. just checking if you did the same or found a more sane solution. i guess i'll place this file in ansible and hope for the best that it doesn't destroy anything :)
618 [10:45:31] <ratrace> AquaL1te: no that's pretty much it
619 [10:45:44] <ratrace> or use systemd service symlinks to target specific services
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624 [10:47:54] <AquaL1te> ratrace: no the problem is that a package manager is not a service manager. so i'll just disable it as a whole :)
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627 [10:48:37] <ratrace> AquaL1te: well, it's convenience, and I don't mind starts, only REstarts.
628 [10:49:36] <ratrace> especially if you run ansible, it's dead easy to _first_ set up config files, and _then_ install the service, and last step is firewall, so I really don't see any problem with starting upon installation
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631 [10:51:21] <AquaL1te> my firewall is open for certain services. when reinstalling a system it happily starts those services with the default configs. which is absolutely horrible as a default. there are many fixes, yes. but the root cause is that apt wants to be a service manager. it's not its business at all.
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663 [11:19:52] <AquaL1te> ratrace: i guess that this solution will stop working 'soon' as well. since i don't see any package that maintains /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d (checked with apt-file). invoke-rc.d does look for this path, but to me that's a bug then. because that path can't exist, since no package manages that file. but i guess for debian 10 it will work. but i don't think it's going to be the solution for the longterm
664 [11:21:20] <BCMM> needrestart (specifically the apt hook) seems to have a list of services that should not be restarted by default, like display managers. where does this list come from, and how can i add to that list? i want to avoid accidentally interrupting my backups again.
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672 [11:33:13] <ratrace> AquaL1te: you're assuming too much, wrongly. policy-rc.d is not maintained by a package, it's consuled by invoke-rc.d, which is apparently a _must_ for all packages to use if they wanna (re)start services
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674 [11:33:52] <ratrace> it works now, and will continue to work for the lifetime of buster and probably bullseye and probably even beyond since there's no talk of discontinuing it
675 [11:33:54] <brutser> i keep getting boot error on Asrock B450m Pro4 with 2400G AMD : AMD-Vi: Unable to write to IOMMU perf counter << i need IOMMU for gpu passthrough on this system, so disabling it is not a solution (also iommu=soft kernel parameter will kind of disable it with software emulated poor performance) - is there any way how i can fix this? been googling
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677 [11:33:54] <brutser> for hours, but cannot find any proper solution.
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681 [11:36:37] <brutser> inxi shows this bios is installed: Type: Desktop Mobo: ASRock model: B450M Pro4 serial: <filter> UEFI [Legacy]: American Megatrends v: P3.90 date: 12/09/2019
682 [11:36:52] <brutser> that was BIOS version already on the board when i bought it
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684 [11:37:26] <brutser> there is a newer version, but asrock says it is best NOT to upgrade if using raven
685 [11:37:37] <brutser> so updating bios is also not really any help
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697 [11:42:06] <brutser> lopid: ok saved that one, thanks - do you expect any IOMMU failing because of the error "AMD-Vi: Unable to write to IOMMU perf counter" - usually i feel that any IOMMU error will prevent it from working 100%
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704 [11:44:12] <AquaL1te> ratrace: thanks for clearing that up! /usr/share/doc/init-system-helpers/README.policy-rc.d.gz clears it up a bit as well. okay, i'm starting to find this solution less of a hack
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708 [11:46:24] <ratrace> AquaL1te: it'd be more... intuitive if it were /etc, but eh...
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719 [11:54:29] <AquaL1te> ratrace: except for that when you now remove a service, it's not stopped. in __that__ case, it is legit to first stop the service, then remove :) sigh. maybe i should just switch distro :P
720 [11:55:03] <ratrace> AquaL1te: I'm sorry, I thought you said it's not package manager's domain to manage services :) ;)
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723 [11:57:30] <AquaL1te> ratrace: true :) but i do believe my fedora workstation does this, but only when removing it
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725 [11:58:37] <AquaL1te> i'll mess around with the 'fallback' options
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727 [11:58:52] <ratrace> AquaL1te: you'll be dissappointed then to hear: replaced-url
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733 [12:02:10] <ratrace> to me, service restart is much more vile than start upon installation, as I actually want the service that I'm installing. What I don't want is services to REstart without proper orchestration upon upgrade.
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738 [12:06:18] <AquaL1te> ratrace: true, the fallback exit code (106) could make that possible. you can provide a list of actions that are allowed to try. e.g. "start stop" it will first start a service, if it's not installed anymore, it will fail, so it will stop the service. in theory anyway. i'm not sure what is meant in the docs. as in do they mean: exit 106 start stop
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903 [12:10:03] <annadane> wow, the netsplit got both dpkg and apt
904 [12:10:08] <annadane> and now dselect
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925 [12:12:03] <dreamer> oh noes
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936 [12:14:27] <AquaL1te> ratrace: well, this "returning status 106 and "restart stop" in stdout (without the quotes) will cause invoke-rc.d to attempt action "restart", and then only if "restart" failed, attempt action "stop"." doesn't work. at least, putting: "exit 106 stop" in there. creates erorrs such as "initscript apache2, action "" failed.". however, the symlinks are still set for systemd, so the service is enabled at
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938 [12:14:33] <AquaL1te> that point. so after a reboot you can have services running you never knew about.
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943 [12:15:50] <AquaL1te> wait, "return", so, no "exit". let's try
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961 [12:28:00] <AquaL1te> ratrace: got it. this: replaced-url
962 [12:29:13] <ratrace> AquaL1te: why don't you parse $2 and exit with appropriate code on that?
963 [12:29:31] <ratrace> /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d [options] <initscript ID> <actions> [<runlevel>]
964 [12:30:06] <ratrace> (actually use argparse or whatever that shell framework thing is, to separate from non-positional options)
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993 [13:06:40] <AquaL1te> ratrace: not sure if i follow. because i don't know the initscript ID, i just did an "echo $*" and nothing was returned. so i also don't receive that information. /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d is who should get those parameters. so, not sure how to do that properly
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997 [13:09:10] <AquaL1te> so far the `echo "force-reload reload stop"; exit 106` seems to work fine
998 [13:09:32] <AquaL1te> i'll to 'reload' first :)
999 [13:10:40] <AquaL1te> final list: echo "reload force-reload stop force-stop"
1000 [13:10:48] <AquaL1te> i guess that's the best fix
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1002 [13:11:16] <ratrace> AquaL1te: you don't need to know the script ID. The intention here is to allow stop, and disallow re/start
1003 [13:11:17] <AquaL1te> if it's not started, then it won't start. if it is started, it will stop the service
1004 [13:12:04] <AquaL1te> ratrace: i don't want to maintain it and pro-actively update it. or think about it :)
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1014 [13:21:37] <themill> ,i policy-rcd-declarative
1015 [13:21:38] <judd> No package named 'policy-rcd-declarative' was found in buster/amd64.
1016 [13:21:49] <themill> ,i policy-rcd-declarative sid
1017 [13:21:51] <judd> Package policy-rcd-declarative (admin, optional) in sid/amd64: policy-rc.d script with declarative syntax. Version: 0.3; Size: 10.6k; Installed: 31k
1018 [13:21:57] <themill> ,i policyrcd-script-zg2
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1020 [13:21:58] <judd> Package policyrcd-script-zg2 (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: policy-compliant interface from invoke-rc.d to local config files. Version: 0.1-3; Size: 5.4k; Installed: 18k; Homepage: replaced-url
1021 [13:22:11] <themill> (I assume you've already noticed these)
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1025 [13:25:25] <AquaL1te> themill: i'll check them. one other thing, what's vim.nox? in update-alternatives it's set for vi. but i can't find any info about it
1026 [13:25:43] <ratrace> no xorg bindings
1027 [13:25:48] <themill> vim compiled without any Xorg stuff
1028 [13:26:15] <themill> ,i vim-nox
1029 [13:26:16] <judd> Package vim-nox (editors, optional) in buster/amd64: Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor - with scripting languages support. Version: 2:8.1.0875-5; Size: 1368.5k; Installed: 3136k; Homepage: replaced-url
1030 [13:26:36] <ratrace> iirc it was gtk related binding for the gVim
1031 [13:26:57] <themill> "This package contains a version of vim compiled with support for scripting with Lua, Perl, Python 3, Ruby, and Tcl but no GUI."
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1045 [13:44:35] <AquaL1te> themill: thanks! i couldn't find in fo in man pages, help output, debian package info online. but at least i know now what vim.nox is :) about the policy-rcd-declarative, i checked it. but it lacks documentation. it has a man page, but no clear instructions. this might be the best solution: replaced-url
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1059 [14:00:20] <AquaL1te> i guess this give a nice summary: replaced-url
1060 [14:00:26] <AquaL1te> i have to jump ship to another distro i guess, since this isn't that easy to fix. they're all hacks around the root cause, which is that apt wants to manage services.
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1111 [14:56:51] <rander2> hello
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1113 [14:58:14] <rander2> is it possible add another host in tor over exit node ? all tor exit node are in blacklist
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1131 [15:15:19] <ratrace> rander2: tor publishes exit node IPs, so even if you add one, it'd be listed and blacklisted by any system sourcing those lists
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1137 [15:27:56] <NetTerminalGene> can i read debian mailing list on thunderbird's newsgroup feature?
1138 [15:31:08] <ratrace> NetTerminalGene: this seems to suggest that linux.debian.* newsgroup is a gateway to mailing lists: replaced-url
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1172 [16:14:54] <brutser> this seems to be a very common error with ryzen cpu on b450 platform: AMD Vi error: unable to write to iommu perf counter < i got the same issue, but I cannot simply disable IOMMU as i need it with virtualization. is there anyone here who experienced the same error or perhaps knows what to try to fix it?
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1184 [16:28:05] <rander2> hello
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1200 [16:44:03] <rander2> can I use proxychains to add a proxy at tor ?
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1204 [16:46:21] <ws2k3> pkill -f is that a kill or a kill -9 ?
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1207 [16:47:21] <JazHambo> Hey folks! I'm running Debian 10 on a Thinkpad T450 that includes a Intel 7265 wireless card. I've had this computer running different versions of debian for a few years and wifi has always been slightly unstable, but mostly usable. Over the past month (maybe longer) the wifi has become really bad and only works occasionally. None of my other devices have any trouble with this wifi network, so I know
1208 [16:47:27] <JazHambo> the problem is with either the card itself of the drivers. So my questions are: 1. Has something changed in the iwlwifi driver that may have caused things to break recently? or 2. Has anyone ever had wifi hardware physically break? I'm contemplating just physically replacing the card with a new one. Any ideas/thoughts/recommendations would be helpful because I'm burning through my cellphone data plan
1209 [16:47:33] <JazHambo> by teathering via usb :O
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1213 [16:48:50] <Fox> ws2k3: did you read the man page ?
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1219 [16:50:23] <f1lsh3nn> hi
1220 [16:50:44] <f1lsh3nn> I am new
1221 [16:51:04] <diogenes_> hi
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1223 [16:51:27] <diogenes_> we all were at some point.
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1228 [16:54:51] <annadane> why does the skype flatpak keep asking for a keering password?
1229 [16:54:56] <annadane> keyring
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1233 [16:56:23] <jelly> that's a great question for microsoft
1234 [16:56:56] <diogenes_> annadane, that's common with deb package too.
1235 [16:56:57] <rany> annadane: that's because your DE isn't auto logging into the keyring. You could use seahorse to delete password for the keyring
1236 [16:57:37] <diogenes_> you can use pamd to autologin.
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1239 [17:00:32] <greycat> Is it common that pulseaudio never starts up correctly on the first try? I *always* have to start it, kill it, and start it again before it actually works. And by "doesn't work" I mean "I run pavucontrol and it says waiting to connect, forever".
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1241 [17:02:10] <annadane> sometimes yeah it can be a bit glitchy
1242 [17:02:27] <annadane> if you're starting it every time manually and not letting your wm/de do it for you
1243 [17:02:36] <rany> it could be that your login manager spawns a pulseaudio before you get a chance to start one yourself
1244 [17:03:03] <annadane> pulse 12 fixed some of the issues i had with pulse 11 in deb 9, i wonder if pulse 13 in deb 11 will be any better
1245 [17:03:22] <rany> I've had an issue with gdm starting pulse before me (for accessibility )
1246 [17:03:29] <greycat> I login on console, and run "startx". I have a .xsession file, and in there, I try to start pulseaudio. But I've also reproduced it by running "startx fvwm" bypassing the .xsession file altogether, then starting pulseaudio in a terminal.
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1251 [17:08:25] <diogenes_> greycat, add this to startup in /etc/xdg/autostart/pulseautio.desktop
1252 [17:08:31] <diogenes_> [Desktop Entry]
1253 [17:08:31] <diogenes_> Name=PulseAudio Sound System
1254 [17:08:31] <diogenes_> Type=Application
1255 [17:08:31] <diogenes_> Exec=start-pulseaudio-x11
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1259 [17:09:48] <diogenes_> oops i though 4 lines are allowed.
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1261 [17:10:33] <annadane> 3 are
1262 [17:10:37] <annadane> 4 tends to get you kicked
1263 [17:11:03] <greycat> diogenes_: what am I actually supposed to change? I have a file with a similar name (after fixing the typo) and the four lines showed are already in it, albeit not contiguous.
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1265 [17:11:59] <greycat> And it's not even clear to me that a *.desktop file would be used. I'm literally running the command "pulseaudio --start" in my .xsession file (or in the terminal).
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1268 [17:14:11] <diogenes_> greycat, well i'm not familiar with how fvwm starts the services.
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1277 [17:23:14] <greycat> So I guess the answer is "no, that's not common" (I couldn't find it in a quick google search either). Probably related to the fact that fvwm *doesn't* start services in the XDG way.
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1279 [17:24:36] <greycat> Should I be running "start-pulseaudio-x11" instead of "pulseaudio --start"?
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1282 [17:25:30] <diogenes_> greycat, that's what XFCE does and i've never had any issues.
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1290 [17:28:00] <annadane> oh is that why?
1291 [17:28:02] <annadane> TIL
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1300 [17:32:03] * Haohmaru whispers: And there it is, you can see the rare greycat, asking a question...
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1334 [18:10:22] <uniqdom> Hello, Is there any way to enable WIFI on demand automatically? I mean, I want it to be off almost all the time, but to be enabled only when there is a network need.
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1337 [18:13:30] <jhutchins> uniqdom: Initiallizing the connection is a lot of overhead. You could use network manager to turn it of and on as requred, but I don't know of any automation.
1338 [18:14:22] <uniqdom> can I run a script on certain activity through iptables?
1339 [18:14:27] <jhutchins> uniqdom: Back in the modem days, there was a daemon (diald?) that would control a dial-up connection on demand. Iirc I was able to set up on-demand networking with it.
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1342 [18:15:18] <uniqdom> maybe i can catch traffic on udp port 53 (dns)
1343 [18:15:39] <uniqdom> jhutchins: thanks I will try to read about diald
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1350 [18:17:27] <uniqdom> jhutchins: could it be pppd instead of diald, or wvdial
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1353 [18:22:53] <jhutchins> Yes
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1384 [19:04:00] <ska> Anyone know how to fix igb i211 ethernet driver ? It goes down after dhcp timeouts,.
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1391 [19:09:24] <ska> Can I set valid_lft in /etc/network/interfaces ?
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1430 [20:30:01] <Sia-> genr8_ i'm here again to tell you, that debian wiki about cups is old, because the issue that i had was caused with Port 631 section in cups conf. next time instead to try insult ppl, try it self
1431 [20:30:19] <Sia-> and dont play smart with hidden nick name
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1437 [20:39:21] <gvth> Hi; a few days ago I received an email from Laura Arjona Reina <larjona@debian.org> (because I receive the newsletter) about the point release of Debian Stretch 9.13. It is stated that "After this point release, Debian's Security and Release Teams will no longer be producing updates for Debian 9." This bewilders me bacause this site replaced-url
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1439 [20:39:27] <gvth> Buster until June 30, 2022.
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1441 [20:40:22] <greycat> The LTS team is different from the Security team.
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1506 [21:52:36] <GNU\colossus> my Debian 10 samba server announces itself on the local network via avahi/mDNS. recently, it began advertising itself with "$HOSTNAME-2" instead of "$HOSTNAME" - does anyone have an idea why that would be the case?
1507 [21:52:59] <GNU\colossus> (its addresses and/or hostname did not change)
1508 [21:53:22] <greycat> check the smb.conf fiel?
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1512 [21:54:06] <GNU\colossus> greycat, afaict, that's not where that string is derived from... smb.conf reads "server string = Samba file server on %h" (or are you referring to another key?)
1513 [21:54:19] <greycat> that one, yes.
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1515 [21:54:32] <GNU\colossus> `avahi-browse -a` coughs up this here: "+ enp9s0 IPv4 Files on nas-2 Microsoft Windows Network local"
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1523 [21:58:33] <GNU\colossus> I hard-coded "host-name=nas" in /etc/avahi/avahi-daemon.conf and restarted avahi-server on the host; that seems to have fixed it.
1524 [21:58:40] <GNU\colossus> strange nevertheless
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1527 [21:59:19] <Rozha> hallo
1528 [21:59:22] <Rozha> need help
1529 [22:00:22] <GNU\colossus> with what? state your problem, please.
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1532 [22:01:22] <Rozha> GNU\colossus , whant to install shellinabox
1533 [22:01:43] <Rozha> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
1534 [22:01:43] <Rozha> make[1]: *** [Makefile:708: shellinaboxd] Error 1
1535 [22:01:47] <Rozha> but have this problem
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1538 [22:02:41] <greycat> Find the FIRST error.
1539 [22:02:44] <GNU\colossus> that's not the underlying reason of your problem; please paste the complete output your last invoked command (and that command, of course :)) to replaced-url
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1541 [22:02:54] <greycat> What you pasted is make's summary that indicated something bad happened EARLIER.
1542 [22:03:28] <Rozha> greycat moment
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1546 [22:06:57] <Rozha> greycat
1547 [22:06:58] <Rozha> replaced-url
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1551 [22:07:30] <greycat> /usr/bin/ld: ./.libs/libhttp.a(ssl.o): in function `sslMakeContext':
1552 [22:07:30] <greycat> /root/shellinabox/libhttp/ssl.c:642: undefined reference to `SSL_CTX_set_options'
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1554 [22:08:15] <greycat> But ... that linker command it's using looks weird. How come there are no -lssl or anything?
1555 [22:08:18] <Rozha> what i must do ?
1556 [22:08:32] <greycat> Did the ./configure fail to find your SSL libs? Did you neglect to install the -dev package for it?
1557 [22:08:39] <Rozha> yes
1558 [22:08:41] <greycat> Does it require an older version of libssl-dev? A newer version?
1559 [22:09:06] <gvth> greycat: If the security team is no longer producing updates for Debian 9 buster, is it still somewhat secure to use it (apart from it being composed of outdated software)?
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1561 [22:09:41] <greycat> You have to decide how willing you are to live with "only" LTS support, which tends to favor server packages and not desktop packages.
1562 [22:11:01] <gvth> greycat: are critical bugs being updated by the LTS team?
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1564 [22:11:28] <Rozha> greycat what is there other not shellinabox ?
1565 [22:11:42] <greycat> Don't assume I know what "shellinabox" is.
1566 [22:11:46] <GNU\colossus> gvth, I guess that remains to be seen ;) they did a very good job with jessie imho.
1567 [22:11:51] <greycat> I'm just reading your error message for you.
1568 [22:12:22] <greycat> Please read the installation instructions. They should tell you what version of SSL libs is expected. Make sure you have it. Also make sure your ./configure *worked*.
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1570 [22:12:28] <Rozha> greycat whant install some web ssh
1571 [22:12:35] <gvth> greycat GNU\colossus yesterday, there was an update for qemu for buster but not for stretch. So I am wondering whether the bug did not affect stretch or it just not being fixed...
1572 [22:12:39] <greycat> Sounds hideous.
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1574 [22:13:55] <gvth> greycat GNU\colossus: and the report said the the bug in qemu could result in denial of service...
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1586 [22:19:03] <jelly> gvth, Debian publishes all info they know about whether a specific security issue is relevant for a specific debian release. If you have a CVE number you can look it up easily on the
1587 [22:19:07] <jelly> !tracker of doom
1588 [22:19:08] <dpkg> The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at replaced-url
1589 [22:19:09] <dijong_> replaced-url
1590 [22:19:19] <jelly> !tracker
1591 [22:19:20] <dijong_> replaced-url
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1595 [22:20:25] <jelly> dijong_, disable ! character automation in here. Also , character as well.
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1598 [22:21:50] <jelly> dijong_, I'll mute your client temporarily for 48 hours. If you fix your !foo thing before that, complain in #debian-ops and someone will unmute you
1599 [22:22:00] <gvth> jelly: thanks
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1603 [22:22:30] <gvth> GNU\colossus greycat thanks
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1613 [22:34:09] <darsie> Does debian run on Amiga?
1614 [22:34:48] <greycat> !m68k
1615 [22:34:48] <dpkg> [m68k] Motorola 680x0 CPU family. Used in old world Apple Macintosh, Amiga, Palm, old Sun workstations and various VME bus systems. Linux m68k runs on some of these, ucLinux should run on the less powerful models. As of Debian 4.0 "Etch", the m68k port is not a release architecture. replaced-url
1616 [22:34:51] <towo`> what sort of AMiga? 68k? ppc?
1617 [22:35:02] <greycat> I didn't know there was a PPC Amiga.
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1619 [22:35:08] <towo`> there is
1620 [22:36:07] <darsie> thx :). Model not specified.
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1622 [22:37:39] <darsie> IIRC some OS (linux) required some CPU feature like memory protection or virtualization, which the 68000 didn't have.
1623 [22:37:46] <ws2k3> i would like to compare one folder with another folder. but in the destination. directory listing is insanely slow cause its a clustered filesystem. would it possible to print a list of the source folder. and only check if the fullpath of the file/folder exsists. if not. create/sync it?
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1625 [22:38:12] <towo`> darsie, that's why you need a 68030, 040 or 060
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1627 [22:38:45] <towo`> and not the EC variants of them
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1629 [22:43:09] <tarzeau> i had seen linux on amiga!
1630 [22:43:20] <tarzeau> with the amiga native font!
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1633 [22:43:55] <tarzeau> replaced-url
1634 [22:44:11] <tarzeau> replaced-url
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1637 [22:45:02] <tarzeau> so cool that i had written a script to make my linux look great: replaced-url
1638 [22:45:39] <towo`> wow 404
1639 [22:45:57] <tarzeau> for which link?
1640 [22:46:00] <towo`> oh, harder, server does not exist
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1643 [22:47:16] <tarzeau> towo`: what link are you telling me server does not exist? your dns is broken?
1644 [22:47:24] <towo`> hm, now the link is working
1645 [22:47:44] <tarzeau> that's myabe because my 2nd dns server is yaku-ns (an experimental thing that didn't get 10 years of update :)
1646 [22:47:54] <tarzeau> replaced-url
1647 [22:48:08] <EdePopede> yep, gifs suck. and not only for patent reasons. btw, the page has a typo ;)
1648 [22:48:12] <tarzeau> i'm fine if the link is working sometimes (and sometimes not :)
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1650 [22:48:27] <tarzeau> EdePopede: which page? i can fix it. and gif patens long have expired
1651 [22:48:40] <tarzeau> EdePopede: that's why i re-introduced gifsicle 10+ years ago into debian
1652 [22:49:18] <EdePopede> oh whoops, it was on asciipr0n already. (i just can't resist vintage links)
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1654 [22:49:54] <EdePopede> tarzeau, i had to block some animated gifs on github recently. slowed down my whole system.
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1658 [22:50:53] <tarzeau> what browser do you use???
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1672 [23:02:14] <EdePopede> firefox
1673 [23:02:43] <EdePopede> would be surprised if i'd have *any* kind of acceleration here
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1679 [23:05:19] <tarzeau> yuck, worst. tried netsurf or links2 yet?
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1682 [23:08:17] <EdePopede> not really a solution for sites using tons of JS and advanced CSS
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1685 [23:09:04] <tarzeau> true. links2 used to have a javascript interpreter which got removed lately
1686 [23:09:11] <tarzeau> and netsurf just doesn't have js afaik
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1688 [23:10:40] <EdePopede> table like lists are off limits. and they are a really nice feature, nobody said lists have to be purely vertical
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1690 [23:12:05] <EdePopede> for some reason i don't even get old youtube on netsurf, though youtube-dl can fake an alternative UA to avoid being served webp instead of png
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1693 [23:13:15] <tarzeau> EdePopede: what version of netsurf?
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1695 [23:14:23] <EdePopede> 3.6, i'm still on oldstable. the update is burried under a stack of things i have to do before
1696 [23:14:48] <tarzeau> EdePopede: that's like 5-10 years old, you got to try 3.10
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1700 [23:15:29] <tarzeau> ok 2016, only 4 years old
1701 [23:15:40] <EdePopede> and now with the user recently with the "CPU#1 stuck for 23s" issue which i had on squeeze i'm seriously concerned it may return with stable
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1703 [23:16:07] <tarzeau> which linux kernel you got with oldstable? (that's jessie?)
1704 [23:16:22] <greycat> oldstable is Debian 9, now (stretch)
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1706 [23:16:29] <tarzeau> i can't even imagine something older than sid or unreleased ubuntu
1707 [23:16:44] <EdePopede> ah right stretch. can't even remember the codename of the release i'm using right now :/
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1709 [23:16:52] <EdePopede> Linux tardis 4.9.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.144-3.1 (2019-02-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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1711 [23:17:00] <EdePopede> i know, i should rebbot
1712 [23:17:07] <tarzeau> even on the latest sid i keep adding experimental and a bunch of unpackaged packages
1713 [23:17:16] <greycat> -8- is 5 ABI releases behind current stretch
1714 [23:17:29] <tarzeau> 4.19.0-6 313 uptime, i should reboot also
1715 [23:17:41] <greycat> damn y'all ;-)
1716 [23:17:57] <EdePopede> but with that issue i had multiple reboots on the same day sometimes
1717 [23:18:03] <tarzeau> i'd replace linux without a blink with a microkernel
1718 [23:18:10] * tarzeau really misses his openstep 4.2
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1720 [23:18:38] <EdePopede> i may have memorized REISUB until my last day on earth even if i should stop using computers tomorrow
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1722 [23:19:28] <EdePopede> had to place a fan in front of the open box to cool the cpu. even then it wasn't sure it wouldn't freeze...
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1725 [23:20:10] <tarzeau> EdePopede: does sensors return values > 80?
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1727 [23:20:14] <EdePopede> i'm not even sure it was (only) the °C, but i had the impression that cooling it down helped. and it was worse during summer months.
1728 [23:20:40] <tarzeau> EdePopede: it's not placed in direct sun light?
1729 [23:20:53] <EdePopede> it did. and i threw the output into conky displaying it on the side of the screen
1730 [23:20:58] <tarzeau> EdePopede: i fix computers by opening the one side of the case for fresh air ;)
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1732 [23:21:25] <tarzeau> and loud fans with an item whatever is laying around, sticking it into the fan (in emergency cases, cut the cable)
1733 [23:21:30] <EdePopede> not at all. it's a long room with the window at the other end. on winter days i have more sunlight here :)
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1736 [23:22:48] <EdePopede> normally a good situation. the balcony is a heat trap with low sun during winter, and during summer i don't have direct sunlight on it, but the ground gets really hot. maybe is should get some sand into it just for the beach feeling *g*
1737 [23:23:09] <EdePopede> but later it would even cause trouble with 50+°C. and that's really nothing.
1738 [23:23:26] <tarzeau> EdePopede: the age of that thing?
1739 [23:23:33] <EdePopede> missed jessie, installed wheezy when it was out, and BANG. the problems were over.
1740 [23:23:36] * EdePopede chuckels
1741 [23:23:50] <EdePopede> tarzeau, you may want to get a drink before
1742 [23:24:01] <EdePopede> just as a hint, it's a K6-2
1743 [23:24:06] <tarzeau> EdePopede: replacing PSU's does wonders, and i've seen broken power strips
1744 [23:24:25] <tarzeau> EdePopede: always got a fruit juice bottle with wodka with me ;)
1745 [23:24:46] <EdePopede> heh, good. the bios date is actually from 11/2007
1746 [23:24:47] <tarzeau> advantage is, that's the only alcoholic that doesn't stink
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1749 [23:26:09] <EdePopede> of course the swapping is a PITA, of course 2GB RAM aren't really much.... but if i don't point the browser to the 2020's web everything is pretty fine
1750 [23:26:09] <tarzeau> EdePopede: something with 266-500 mhz? seriously in 2020
1751 [23:26:27] <tarzeau> wait it's got no SATA but ide drives?
1752 [23:26:30] <EdePopede> lol no. 500 was my P3 20 years ago
1753 [23:26:35] <EdePopede> both
1754 [23:26:50] <tarzeau> EdePopede: replaced-url
1755 [23:27:00] <EdePopede> the system drive is a 80GB barracuda. one of 2 i bought to increase my disk space back then ;)
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1757 [23:27:47] <efloid> can anyone help with wriitng a udev rule for a bluetooth keyboard?
1758 [23:28:03] <EdePopede> CPU: Topology Dual Core model AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ bits 64 type MCP L2 cache 2048 KiB
1759 [23:28:03] <EdePopede> Speed 1000 MHz min/max 1000/3200 MHz Core speeds (MHz) 1 1000 2 1000
1760 [23:28:24] <EdePopede> tarzeau, i think the K6-2 was the one this one replaced.
1761 [23:28:40] <EdePopede> after all it's another name
1762 [23:29:31] <efloid> ide drives :-|
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1764 [23:30:18] <tarzeau> efloid: better than scsi... my SPARCclassic doesn't want to boot anymore :(
1765 [23:30:44] <tarzeau> and i've got that chiptune music software with webinterface that'd play chipsongs randomly, controllable with mouse, without screen :(
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1767 [23:31:12] <EdePopede> the first of my 4TB SATA died already after just a few years. seeing this stoneage drive still working doesn't really found a trust into newer hardware
1768 [23:31:24] <tarzeau> :'( that's so sad. and i also got that other machine where i've run mkfs.ext2 on / that also waits a rescue of the filesystem (18+ years old)
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1770 [23:32:34] <EdePopede> never again. with the reboots i mentioned before i had to do the fsck dance after every reboot on that one big partition. and i have no clue why i didn't put ext4 to it like on all the other ones...
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1774 [23:36:37] <tarzeau> EdePopede: ext filesystem???
1775 [23:36:56] <tarzeau> ext4? yuck slowest. /me moved to xfs 15 years ago, btrfs since 5 years
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1784 [23:43:37] <JonJ> Has anyone here gotten ktechlab to run on Debian stable? I'm trying to compile it, but it's stopping with some errors in /usr/include/KF5/KConfigCore/kconfiggroup.h
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1787 [23:47:39] <efloid> found udev rule help on github. amazing.
1788 [23:47:59] <efloid> it helps to have a keyboard used by geeks
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