33[00:36:08] <saveNexit> hello, wifi symbol was shown on upper tray when I was not connected and thus no web page could be opened, either. also locally installed pages were browseable in this time.
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35[00:36:36] <saveNexit> I wonder how both have been possible
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39[00:37:19] <sney> actually, there are a few ways you can be connected to a wifi network and not have access to the rest of the internet. but dns is usually the worst offender
40[00:38:21] <saveNexit> I have no wifi to connect to. there is no possibility. and I see "Wifi not connected" when I click on the right corner.
41[00:38:34] <saveNexit> but just the symbol is shown as if I am connected
42[00:38:49] <sney> probably something weird with the icon then.
45[00:39:11] <sney> I don't use gnome 3 regularly so I don't have anything more specific than that
46[00:39:23] <saveNexit> ok, if that is the icon, how can I browser a locally installed page?
47[00:39:31] <saveNexit> when I have no internet
48[00:39:57] <sney> because your browser doesn't need a network connection to render html if it's on your computer
49[00:40:48] <saveNexit> ah ok, of course...my sleep
50[00:41:56] <saveNexit> but the icon thing is not the first time. I witnessed erratic behaviour before on different occasions after/before turning on-off the wifi
51[00:42:05] <saveNexit> wifi
52[00:44:05] <saveNexit> I just wanted to let know in case someone may look at it...thank you for helping
177[03:45:49] <Astro_Flow> Is openvpn specific to companies, or can it be used by an every day user? If so could somebody direct me to how to emplement it?
178[03:46:49] <sney> anyone can use openvpn, but if you're setting up a vpn for the first time and you can use any software, wireguard is more modern and more simple
192[03:49:01] <nvz> hmm.. I may consider trying this out at some point.. I've read up on it and it does seem a lot simpler than openvpn
193[03:49:06] <Astro_Flow> I'll look to it, thank you.
194[03:49:15] <Astro_Flow> afk
195[03:49:32] <nvz> openvpn strictly p2p between two machines is simple enough.. its when you want multiple endpoints it gets more complicated with the cert setup
196[03:50:39] <nvz> though many router firmwares out there support openvpn
197[03:50:49] <Astro_Flow> In your opinion, would "wiregaurd" be better than openvpn?
198[03:51:00] <sney> better for what?
199[03:51:33] <nvz> other than typical concerns I have about code maturity.. wanting things to be more mature and tested first.. wiregaurd is probably a better choice for almost any use case or definition of "better"
205[03:52:45] <nvz> implement, and yes.. wiregaurd looks much simpler to setup and because its kernel level, seems far more secure
206[03:52:59] <Astro_Flow> That' good news @nvz
207[03:53:17] <nvz> also we dont use the social media conventions like usertags in IRC
208[03:53:26] <nvz> Astro_Flow: we just do this
209[03:53:35] <sney> it's basically the same steps for either one (or ipsec/strongswan for that matter) and you do need to understand the basic networking concepts involved. but I have found openvpn unnecessarily complicated in the past
210[03:53:46] <nvz> irc clients pay no attention to @username stuff
211[03:54:32] <nvz> yes openvpn especially without some kinda web frontend is a bit cumbersome to setup
237[04:23:09] <karlpinc> nvz: I don't suppose wireguard works on other OSs? (Just curious, I can go look it up but am lazy.)
238[04:24:01] <karlpinc> The trouble with openvpn is that it tries to do "everything" all in one package. Routing, etc, etc. They have the MS Windows mindset.
310[05:20:23] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
455[08:26:02] <nvz> mind you I know pretty much nothing about nftables or the crap it replaced.. but I think once a set is bound to a rule it cannot be modified like that
456[08:26:39] <nvz> so if I'm correct you must delete the rule, modify the set, then recreate the rule
469[08:31:30] <rk4> you can add/delete-all/delete-one/update entries to named sets from the command line, but only add/update from within a nft rule...as far as i can tell
470[08:31:49] <rk4> its quite neat, but has some annoying bits
473[08:32:18] <rk4> like i don't think you can have a set of IPs, that has both ipv6 and ipv4 addresses, you'd need 2 sets
474[08:32:19] <nvz> idk I know a lot more about udev than nftables and udev def provides for removing stuff in rules
475[08:32:45] <nvz> nftables I have not really fooled with yet
476[08:32:56] * nvz has magic for that
477[08:33:33] * rk4 looks up when debian switched to iptables
478[08:33:46] <nvz> dpkg, iptables?
479[08:33:46] <dpkg> [iptables] The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter. Ask me about <netfilter docs>. For a proper Debian-way of setting up iptables, see replaced-url
490[08:38:28] <nvz> and afaik is in transition with some sort of shim/compatibility
491[08:39:17] <nvz> and the legacy iptables is still an option
492[08:41:34] <nvz> !woody
493[08:41:34] <dpkg> Woody is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10, ISOs are available from replaced-url
494[08:41:40] <nvz> !potato
495[08:41:40] <dpkg> Potato is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 2.2, released August 14th, 2000. It is no longer supported. Ask me about <potato->woody> for upgrade information. See also <potato sources.list>. replaced-url
496[08:41:50] <nvz> yeah potato may have used ipchains
508[08:52:45] <nvz> I dont think it could've been in potato cause potato still had linux 2.2 and afaik iptables wasnt until linux 2.4
509[08:52:57] * nvz shrugs
510[08:53:06] <nvz> those years are fuzzy to me now :D
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512[08:55:06] <nvz> I've oft wondered crap like this though myself.. I think I'm gonna put some effort into automating this crap so I can have a clear timeline of debian history.. my lil manually done info on stretch/buster installs is sparse
515[08:55:56] <nvz> my idea would entail automatically generated vms with actual look at various stats, benchmarks, package lists, etc.. from each release
516[08:56:42] <rk4> hmm potato, must have been when i started using debian again :)
517[08:56:58] <rk4> s/again//
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520[08:59:15] <nvz> yeah potato is when I found debian and woody had released wihin a month after iirc
521[09:01:16] <nvz> I did this manually with virtualbox running the same script on each install type and captured screenshots manually replaced-url
522[09:01:45] <nvz> I'd like to have that and more auto-generated for every release and on a more permanent location than a free subdomain
523[09:02:12] <nvz> I think it could be a useful resource
524[09:02:56] <nvz> and really doing it manually wouldnt be too difficult of a task, but it'd be better to have it all done with each point release and stuff automagically
526[09:03:32] <nvz> just gotta think about what all I wanna include in the information and how to organize it then figure out how to go about scripting the creation
527[09:03:56] <nvz> may be better to use qemu or something
536[09:06:03] <rk4> quite the journey, gentoo rose and fell, that drained some of the community, ubuntu rose, we lost a fair few users to that [or gained? if you count ubuntu users as distant debian users]
540[09:08:55] <nvz> for me I'd had a reboot loop after updating windows media player to watch embedded video on a news site with win2k and that was the last straw.. I'd gone to Best Buy and bought a 2disk redhat 5.2 for $24, it sucked, tried corel, sucked too, found mandrake, had lots of nice GUI config tools, used that for 7.x-8x and realized linux had potential.. went in search of a better distro and almost became a slackware
541[09:09:01] <nvz> user cause it was nice but took a lot to setup and configure.. then I found the rather plain lookin debian.org, read the Why Debian? and Social Contract and I was sold.. burnt 2.2r6 on 3 cds and installed, then woody released like a week later and I been here ever since :D
542[09:11:50] <rk4> yeah, the social contract and DFSG were a good foundation, and i think are a big part of why i kept using it :)
545[09:13:20] <rk4> that and somehow, i don't understand it, but the non-deb packaging systems never worked as well for me. even with RH behind it, RHEL went through years of rpm hell before up2date, yum, soon[?] dnf,
546[09:13:49] <nvz> I was used to the EULAs and crap.. I read that Social Contract and I was just floored
547[09:14:15] <nvz> and things like systemd knocked me for a loop, but as long as they uphold their end of that contract.. I'm not going anywhere
548[09:14:36] <rk4> i think we got a bit lucky, having things like 'No Discrimination Against Persons or Groups
550[09:15:18] <nvz> yeah there are some very /diverse/ debian users and developers thats for sure..
551[09:15:47] <rk4> today, that sort of idea is falling out of fashion. people drag their local politics in, try to punish rightfully or wrongly, people they perceive as evil [like US border control]
554[09:20:25] <nvz> yeah.. debian has kept their focus where it belongs.. and while I'm still struggling to get back into things and familiarize with all the changes recently, I see why they were made and they havent breeched any contractual obligations
555[09:21:24] <nvz> people bitch like crazy about systemd, and I really didnt like it at first.. but I can see now that things like udev, systemd, nftables, etc.. have addressed huge issues we've had for a long time
557[09:22:08] <nvz> its a pain to learn all the news systems, but really the transitions have only gotten better.. the whole hal, defvs, hotplug, etc stuff back in the day was very rocky..
559[09:22:42] <nvz> there was a point when that crap was going on that routine dist upgrades felt like the worst case scenarios on sid
560[09:23:06] <rk4> i think when systemd became the default, i removed it and used the sysvinit stuff, worked pretty well. but today, well the namespacing and cgroup stuff in systemd interests me, so i'll poke around and start using it :>
561[09:23:08] <nvz> they're doing a great job at smoothing transitions right now
563[09:24:29] <nvz> I still miss sysvinit and not having the all encompassing systemd.. but I can't deny sysvinit was just taken from a completely different system and in no way has properly ran a modern linux system..
640[11:07:32] <ksk> nvz: compare "I want to run my app daemonized" from a beginners perspective: With systemd you kind of only need to create a unit with ExecStart= and you are done. If it does need special handling, there will either be an option, or you are doing it wrong (granted, there will be exceptions)
643[11:08:53] <nvz> idk with sysvinit I could just drop a regular shell script in there and create symlinks.. it was basic linux shell knowledge
644[11:09:10] <nvz> now I need to actually understand how to write a unit, how to enable it, etc..
645[11:09:39] <ksk> back to SysVinit: I dont even know where to start. Maybe you just copy that one ancient bash script from your coworker, that has 30k LoC, but is rocksolid!
646[11:10:08] <ksk> Haha yeah, I think we see the same things, but weight them differently ;)
647[11:10:41] <nvz> I got the basics of unit creation but its not as natural to me.. I still have to pull up manpages and crap every time I do it
648[11:11:35] <ksk> I think this is the transition phase then. Wait till you created like 5 to 10 of them and done some things you did with bash before - and think about it again then maybe.
649[11:11:43] *** luna_is_here is now known as luna-is-here
650[11:11:44] <ksk> I know lots of people who got an "Ah! -effect"
651[11:12:00] *** luna-is-here is now known as luna_is_here
652[11:12:41] <nvz> and its not just about sysvinit anyhow systemd is FAR more than an init system.. and exactly how far THAT rabit hole goes and how it all works really baffles me
653[11:13:02] <ksk> I do agree on that :/
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655[11:13:45] <ksk> some things they invent are nice, and needed overhaul just like the init system. But forcing us to use systemd for ever, not sure.
673[11:20:52] <nvz> I can't even comprehend what systemd DOES much less how and how to use it effectively.. and this is AFTER reading a bunch of docs
674[11:21:16] <nvz> its definitely not an init system replacement.. thats just one of the MANY things it does
675[11:21:36] <nvz> and a lot of what it does we never had before so you can't compare all its pieces to something you're familiar with
676[11:22:33] <nvz> I have certs in linux, been using and supporting debian for nearly two decades, have been reading systemd docs and using it a couple years now.. and I still can't honestly begin to answer without making some sort of joke what systemd does
677[11:23:04] <nvz> as in I could make some joke about it being an OS.. but I dont really /know/ what it does
678[11:23:09] <nvz> heh
679[11:23:32] <nvz> learn more of it all the time and just can't believe I haven't seen the extent of it yet
681[11:25:10] <nvz> Deknos: nothing other than the extensions virtualbox provides for install and enabling virtualization extensions on the hosts hardware..
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699[11:47:37] <luna_is_here> @Deknos If that helps you: the last time I tried, KDE was working nicely inside QEMU without the need of any customization (if you have sufficient RAM).
700[11:47:49] <luna_is_here> @Deknos Are you using QEMU?
751[12:18:10] <judd> Package apt-build (devel, optional) in buster/amd64: frontend to apt to build, optimize and install packages. Version: 0.12.47; Size: 40.1k; Installed: 145k; O: #365427
752[12:19:14] <ksk> Never heard of that one. But if its a frontend to apt it will, most likely, not differentiate from any other apt-ish method of installing.
753[12:19:37] <ksk> I am not quite sure if "default hardening" is a thing anyways.
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816[13:02:37] <Deknos> luna_is_here, i use kvm/qemu and virtualbox
817[13:03:31] <Deknos> i just thought perhaps there's something like the tasks for the DEs a task for running the system inside these popular virtualization solutions so i do not have to look at the minutiaes myself
818[13:04:24] <luna_is_here> Deknos: When using qemu with qcow2 disk images, the IO performance can be a problem when not using preallocation. Slow IO can make the whole desktop unresponsive.
819[13:04:39] <luna_is_here> Deknos: Maybe that is something you might consider.
824[13:06:01] <Deknos> yeah, but for instance the task could (if installed) deactivate 3d acceleration and/or install guest utils and stuff like that :)
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830[13:11:27] <Miles8of9> nooo..!! buster 10.5 delayed with no date.... -_-
831[13:13:08] <ratrace> Deknos: that'd be one hell of a task as there's no singl switch to flip it on or off. each program may or may need gpu-required opengl functions
832[13:13:20] <ratrace> may or may *not
833[13:13:51] <ratrace> and then without gpu, opengl will happily render in cpu, so some of those functions are still available, albeit slow, and some aren't at all
843[13:18:19] *** kreyren_ is now known as kreyren
844[13:18:42] <Capone> Hi, I am unable to do an apt update of a fresh install of debian 10.0. a whole lot of connection time outs starting with: connection timed out Could not connect to klecker-ftp.debian.org:80 (2001:67c:2564:a119::148:12)
845[13:19:46] <H4ndy> Looks like your IPv6 connection is not properly configured and does not route into the internet
846[13:20:00] <ratrace> or the mirror is busted
847[13:20:10] <Capone> hmmm... That is what I thought initially. Thanks. Re: IPV6
848[13:20:51] <Dagger> OR you're on a busted v4-only connection
850[13:21:23] <Dagger> apt only reports the *last* connection failure, which will be over v4 on a connection with v6, so the fact that it's reporting an error with a v6 address suggests that it tried v4 first
922[14:30:18] <Capone> stumped me that I was able to ping out etc...
923[14:30:32] <RoyK> Capone: nice
924[14:31:33] <g0zzy> Trying to admin a printer remotely. For some reason the printer is 'paused' and the cups command line is showing no default destination. How can i resume it? And why is my user (in sudo group) no able to admin through the gui?
971[15:24:30] <siiky> hi everyone! is there a way to pin the default kernel to boot with? when i boot with 5.7.0-1 something goes wrong, and the DM doesnt start, i can only use the TTYs; im now using the previous version, 5.6.0-2, chosen from the grub boot menu
972[15:25:14] <siiky> i suppose that if the kernel is upgraded again, 5.6 will be automatically uninstalled, and will only be left with the 5.7, and the next available version
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974[15:28:40] <siiky> oh, forgot to mention... with 5.7 shutting down doesnt work either, it hangs on something (dont remember what)
975[15:29:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1178
976[15:29:09] <siiky> its really weird, i dont understand why, since nothing changed...
979[15:32:09] <diogenes_> siiky, as a quick workaround you can put your custom entry with the desired kernel into /etc/grub.d/40_custom and boot only from there.
980[15:32:12] <towo^work> there is no kernel 5.7.x in debian stable
998[15:45:16] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
1005[15:56:25] <Regor> i am using rxvt-unicode which doesnt load settings from /.Xresources ..i have to manually run " xrdb ~/.Xresources " after login.. i saved this command in ~/.xinitrc but it didnt work ...
1006[15:57:04] <nkuttler> Regor: my rxvt loads stuff from .Xdefaults
1007[15:57:19] <greycat> The only thing that reads .xinitrc is xinit (startx). If you do not use startx, you should be using .xsession instead. Even if you DO use startx, on Debian, you should still be using .xsession instead.
1034[16:16:27] <Regor> greycat: i purged xfce desktop completely yesterday..but it removed everything even network-manager was gone too..! i wasback to tty session... then i restored bspwm session. using /.xinitrc file . so yes i use startx .. i would set lightdm later though.
1068[16:40:13] <zapatista> Hello! Trying to fix a dual head problem on my debian box.
1069[16:42:24] <zapatista> Recently I decided to move my debian machine to my bedroom (as a veteran geeks must do :)). I have Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Cedar [Radeon HD 5000/6000/7350/8350 Series BGA card.
1070[16:42:56] <zapatista> The card has 1 HDMI, 1 VGA and 1 DVI port.
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1072[16:43:21] <zapatista> I connect my HDMI port to my 3D TV to watch movies.
1073[16:43:59] <zapatista> I connect my VGA port my monitor (an LG something) VIA a long VGA cable.
1074[16:44:35] <zapatista> If I connect it with a shorter one, the debian gnome perfectly recognizes the device.
1075[16:45:12] <zapatista> However if I use the 15 m (50 ft) extension VGA cable, the things goes tupsy turvy.
1076[16:45:28] <zapatista> I cannot change the default monitorç
1077[16:46:07] <ksk> zapatista: I suspect you do not want to hear that, but dont use a freaking 15m VGA cable :P
1078[16:46:13] <zapatista> If I try to use desktop app for accessing the monitor (in both cases) the desktop becomes unresponsive, although I can continue to move the mouse around.
1079[16:46:25] <zapatista> Probably.
1080[16:46:32] <zapatista> You are right KSK.
1081[16:46:48] <zapatista> But I wan to be a true geek, using debian box in his bed.
1082[16:47:03] <ksk> I think there might be stuff like repeaters available, which might be able to give you a working experience. I dont suspect it to be software or Debian related.
1083[16:47:46] <ksk> If you have fast wifi try out some remote screen sharing stuff, would need a second computer, but no cables.
1084[16:47:54] <zapatista> After alllthe problems, I used the short cable (and I am using the short cabl right now), the monitor app problem continues.
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1225[19:09:02] <secretpow> I'm running unstable and for a while now I've been having some (kernel-related) issues that never went away, even though I regularly upgrade my kernel. The dmesg entries range from kernel NULL pointer dereferences over "unable to handle page fault for address" to "[Firmware Bug]: Page fault caused by firmware". Symptoms include unkillable zombie processes which are not reaped by pid 1, the kernel failing to freeze processes
1226[19:09:02] <secretpow> when trying to suspend the system, and the system not shutting down after "sudo poweroff". I originally suspected faulty RAM, but I've been running memtest86+ for 14 hours now, and no errors were reported so far. Any ideas on how to diagnose/debug this?
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1230[19:12:29] <annadane> secretpow, sometimes we do get sid questions that are general enough we can answer them here but i'd advise #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for that one
1241[19:20:16] <RoyK> dpkg: tell secretpow about debian-next
1242[19:20:35] * annadane kicks RoyK
1243[19:20:40] <_DeLa_> I am trying hard to get my HP Probook x360 11 G1 EE to work with latest debian 10, although installation always freezes when grub is installed (google search confirms this issue with grub). Still, after rebooting at this point and running repair options via replaced-url
1250[19:24:08] <secretpow> moldy: might be, I guess... but I'm already running the latest BIOS version provided by my mainboard manufacturer. Also, suspend/resume is one thing, but I've also had these issues simply running the system without suspending once after booting up
1251[19:24:49] <secretpow> At some point it starts acting strangely, and then I can usually find some suspicious messages in dmesg
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1258[19:32:53] <chaslinux> Trying to get debian-installer (PXE boot install) to install a custom grub file I created at the end of an installation. If I remove the ;\ on line 4 installation works (with lines 5-8 commented out). Is there a better way to include a custom grub file (earlier in the debian-installer?)?
1263[19:33:28] <dpkg> pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, is full of js, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like replaced-url
1282[19:46:45] <_DeLa_> It seems like the debian expert install option would enable me to maybe skip grub installation and then see if users will be created afterwards. Will try this tomorrow!
1297[19:58:18] <_DeLa_> nvz: yeah...well...for now it feels like it's my best bet
1298[19:58:50] <nvz> the first conclusion I'd jump to is not something like one of the first steps takes place after one of the last.. but that using some random boot/repair image from a site almost nobody uses anymore to fix a completely unrelated system is whats f'n up your users
1309[20:00:55] <Emil> nvz: terminal emulator, in particular putty ssh to Debian vm
1310[20:01:01] <Emil> (from Windows)
1311[20:01:08] <_DeLa_> nvz: Okay... I see what you're getting at ....but this "random boot/repair" is obviously still maintained, with the last iso from june 2020...also what got me interested in this boot/repair software was the following post: replaced-url
1312[20:01:09] <greycat> Failure to display line-drawing characters properly could be that your TERM variable is set wrong, or the application only works with certain terminals and not others, or you're inside tmux/screen and that's interfering....
1313[20:01:16] <Emil> I see that iftop is also broken, so perhaps it's just my borked settings instead of hexcurse
1317[20:01:52] <Emil> Where could I ask about trying to make sure my config is right and correct?
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1319[20:02:08] <greycat> Can you configure putty to be as close as possible to an xterm? Emulate *everything* about an xterm as faithfully as the options allow. See if that helps.
1334[20:12:16] <nvz> Emil: yeah its probably some encoding mismatch somewhere.. I can run putty on here in wine/crossover easily but dont really feel like setting up keys and such at the moment to try reproduce the error.. all I know is the app ran fine natively for me and I dont see any options related to any meaningful terminal settings in putty
1335[20:13:17] <nvz> it ran fine in screen and in my xterm.. I'd think putty is where the problem lies
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1337[20:15:23] <_DeLa_> nvz: Downloads: 7,220 This Week – Last Update: 2020-06-13 – 109 reviews for 4/5 stars ...seems legit to me ... there seems to be a .deb file on launchpad as well for the live distro of your choice...should it make a difference?
1338[20:17:07] <_DeLa_> nvz: btw: I know that users are to be configured during first few steps of debian install...but could it be that they are written to the system at the very end?
1339[20:18:03] <_DeLa_> nvz: "the way I repair, and I'm sure others here do, is boot the installer, chroot into the system" – do you have a link / URL for me to look into that?
1340[20:18:11] <nvz> it could very well be but you're still applying fuzzy logic.. a well 10,000 lemmigs are jumping.. might as well jump too
1343[20:19:11] <dpkg> somebody said rescue was at replaced-url
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1345[20:19:24] <nvz> dpkg, rescue mode
1346[20:19:24] <dpkg> Debian-Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the <install guide> ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details: replaced-url
1353[20:20:16] <dpkg> Debian-Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the <install guide> ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details: replaced-url
1362[20:22:21] <chaslinux> My d-i grub question wasn't to rescue grub, I want to include a modified grub, but I'm 90% of the way there, just the last 2 lines to deal with now. I have the custom grub copying to the right /target/etc/default directory, just need to grub-update it with d-i.
1363[20:22:37] <nvz> one more time now..
1364[20:22:41] <nvz> dpkg, rescue mode
1365[20:22:41] <dpkg> Debian-Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the <install guide> ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details: replaced-url
1366[20:23:03] <nvz> meh.. I'm too exhausted for this :P
1391[20:40:10] <Emil> I ssh'd to another server, and then back into my own, and magically it works :D there's a screen in between, so perhaps that's doing some translation
1392[20:40:16] <Emil> but this is bloody ridiculous
1393[20:40:50] <Emil> But at least it should confirm that it's not my end that's the issue, but the config on my vm, or something
1394[20:41:32] <greycat> This is about the line-drawing chars, still? I can at least tell you the specific instance of this issue that I can immediately remember is mutt. The line-drawing characters in mutt's threaded subject display didn't work for me inside screen, sometimes.
1395[20:41:41] <greycat> screen or tmux *definitely* matters, as I said earlier
1408[20:48:02] <dacencora> The reason I am asking is because I am getting some bad screen tearing
1409[20:48:24] <diogenes_> dacencora, what DE?
1410[20:48:43] <dacencora> I'm using MATE currently
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1412[20:49:22] <Emil> greycat: yeah still about line drawing characters
1413[20:49:26] <nvz> Emil: screen also will not magically effect changes to things like locale.. it typically has to be restarted
1414[20:50:25] <greycat> With Putty being involved, I imagine Windows is involved, and therefore there's a super-likely conflict between encodings (WIN1252 vs. UTF-8 or whatever you're using on the Linux side).
1415[20:50:30] <diogenes_> dacencora, try compiz or compton.
1417[20:51:13] <greycat> At some point, when Windows is involved, one just gives up and accepts the ugliness.
1418[20:51:57] <nvz> dacencora: I doubt there is a seperate driver called nvidia-drm thats probably just the name of the kernel param.. all drivers use drm
1419[20:52:46] <nvz> dacencora: I can't say for sure cause I have no systems with nvidia, but you can check by looking at lsmod output.. you'll see a "drm" driver that should be "in use by" "nvidia" and you could modinfo nvidia-drm
1420[20:52:49] <dacencora> nvz: not drm in the proprietary sense
1421[20:52:59] <dacencora> direct rendering mode
1422[20:53:06] <nvz> dacencora: _I_ know what it is.. I dont think _you_ do
1423[20:53:09] <towo`> dacencora, nvidia as kernel module will allways used
1424[20:53:10] <nvz> if you think you were not using it before
1464[21:00:11] <croddy> is there any tool in debian that can show thumbnails of a directory filled with raw photo files? i have several hundred raw images that are badly disorganized and i need to find something among them visually within the next few hours, which is not long enough for me to open them one by one in ufraw.
1469[21:01:06] <dpkg> Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. replaced-url
1470[21:01:57] <nvz> croddy: is there any reason you cant just convert them all?
1473[21:02:33] <croddy> i guess i could use ufraw-batch but i was hoping there might be something that could just thumbnail them in place like file managers do with jpg, png etc
1474[21:02:54] <nvz> idk.. I'm not certain what a raw photo is offhand in this context
1476[21:03:11] <nvz> I'm sure that could vary in composition
1477[21:03:50] <croddy> it's an uncompressed image file taken directly from a camera, it is an intermediate format between the actual sensor data and a finished raster image file. they tend to be hardware vendor specific, but there is support for a wide range of raw image formats in debian
1490[21:06:28] <nvz> croddy: cause /that/ file will not thumbnail in caja (MATE's filemanager) but DOES in geeqie..
1491[21:06:29] <croddy> yes, it's true, DNG is an example of a raw format but like i said there are libraries in debian that know how to read many of them. my problem is i am looking for something that uses those libraries and will thumbnail a hundred of them at once so i can look at them
1492[21:06:43] <croddy> i am going to start writing a script that will just do it for me, please do not be offended that i have stopped replying
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1494[21:06:51] <jhutchins> Is there a php backport for stretch?
1495[21:06:56] <nvz> croddy: I believe I just answered your question
1496[21:07:11] <nvz> croddy: geeqie seems to thumnail that image just fine
1515[21:16:32] <greycat> I think that was more of a "look at this, learn from this" than a "please tell me what this says on your box because I think something is wrong" response
1518[21:17:04] * annadane throws computer into a lake
1519[21:17:09] <greycat> nvz: #bash advice would usually be "turn off the completion, see if that fixes it". It usually does. "complete -r" will disable all completions in the current shell.
1520[21:17:35] <nvz> I never did get around to learning how that stuff worked.. this is all news to me :D
1544[21:23:07] <greycat> they are definitely bash *code* but it's a huge sprawling ugly mess of who knows what
1545[21:23:10] <nvz> but I'd imagine someone who knows how they work could probably tweak it to allow completion of file names in certain cases
1546[21:23:13] <nvz> heh
1547[21:23:18] <nvz> thats what it LOOKS like
1548[21:23:46] <nvz> annadane: there is of course another simpler option..
1549[21:23:46] <annadane> the correct answer by the way is "who cares what the wallpaper is, if you can see wallpaper you're not using the computer properly"
1550[21:24:10] <nvz> you just write a script that calls the gsettings command and plops in the filename.. even use zenity or such with a file chooser dialog
1551[21:24:30] <nvz> pass the filename as the argument to the script or select from a zenity dialog
1554[21:26:04] <nvz> often the easiest way to fix a shell problem is to just try another angle :P
1555[21:26:44] * annadane blames greycat for not programming bash to be easier
1556[21:27:08] <nvz> it'd be a trivial thing to alias the whole gsettings command and add an argument to the alias when you type it.. or make a oneliner with $1 in it, or use a zenity file selector dialog in such a script to provide the filename
1557[21:27:22] <annadane> oh right, aliases do that properly
1558[21:27:27] <annadane> totally forgot about that
1559[21:27:28] <greycat> or disable bash-completion
1615[22:11:53] <jottr> Hi all. smartd is reporting errors on my SSD since a few days. It seems I have a low number of errors. Selftest and overall health tests passed. Should I be concerned? Here's the full output of the long smart selftest replaced-url
1618[22:16:15] <dvs> jottr, if it was a spinning disk, I'd say start moving stuff off of the drive now. For an SSD, I'm not sure but that sure does look like a lot of errors for Hardware_ECC_Recovered
1622[22:21:56] <jottr> dvs: For Hardware_ECC_Recovered higher values are actually better, since it is the delta between ECC-correction. See replaced-url
1627[22:24:27] <dvs> jottr, "Although this parameter is not considered critical by the most hardware vendors, degradation of this parameter may indicate electromechanical problems of the disk." This tells me that the drive is failing.
1657[22:41:49] <dvs> jottr, it means that the data being written/read was not correct and the extra bit of correction data had to be used to determine what the correct value was
1667[22:54:58] <sney> if smartd is giving you *any* kind of repeat notifications it's a good indication that the disk is failing, even if there's some caveat about high/low values. A healthy disk doesn't have any smart notifications.
1668[22:55:27] <sney> (and if it was a bug in smart, it would have started happening when the disk was new, rather than x time into the disk's life)
1690[23:11:25] <jottr> sney: The smartd warnings relate to pending (1) and reallocated (2) sectors. Which seem to be very low numbers. None of the self tests report failures. I am trying to make an informed decision here.
1699[23:12:49] <jottr> This is not the issue here. I am trying to understand what the values mean.
1700[23:13:07] <genr8_> it means the drive is suffering errors and its trying to tell you its not happy
1701[23:13:19] <jottr> doh
1702[23:13:52] <genr8_> as you said, 2 or 1 error is not enough to do anything about, but this will escalate until it DOES manifest as problems you'd care about
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1705[23:16:17] <chaslinux> So solved my debian-installer issue by eliminating the other stuff I had in the pastebin (5-8) and above that adding d-i debian-installer/add-kernel-opts string nomodeset vga=text.
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1711[23:22:32] <genr8_> jottr, there are things you can do to the drive when you suspect its in a weird state. A) backup, you did that. B) wipe the drive 2 times, first with all 1's, then with all 0's. this may clear the 1 current pending sector, or it may find more uncorrectable ones. or re-allocate from the spare area. either way it would be a stress test, and you'd check the SMART after to get a verified answer on what its doing C) then restore the backup. this will
1712[23:22:32] <genr8_> refresh the drive and avoid bitrot