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14[00:08:24] <jhutchins> Well, there are logs and log analysers, that's what most people use.
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26[00:15:57] <snwfdhmp> how can I create a tun interface on debian (or debian-based) that is fully able to handle an openvpn connection ?
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28[00:18:40] <gpunk> NetworManager should do that for you ...
29[00:18:44] <gpunk> install the plugin
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31[00:19:20] <gpunk> unless maybe you are on a server
32[00:19:47] <gpunk> even then, the openvpnserver software, loads and create it for you too
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34[00:20:29] <gpunk> if you really want to do it manually
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36[00:20:49] <gpunk> it is a matter of typing ifconfig tun0 up .. i think
37[00:20:56] <gpunk> etc
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48[00:25:39] <gpunk> <gpunk> even then, the openvpnserver software, loads and create it for you too < if you configure it to do so !
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56[00:38:11] <b1ack0p> can i use debian iso to repair/install grub?
57[00:38:19] <b1ack0p> even different distro is installed?
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98[01:12:29] <alexrelis[m]> b1ack0p: yes
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105[01:18:33] <b1ack0p> alexrelis[m]: thanks
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143[02:02:40] <vvande> irc.linux.farm 6697 ssl only
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206[03:25:51] <lawr3nce> nvidia-installer-cleanup : Conflicts: nvidia-driver-binary
207[03:25:57] <lawr3nce> nvidia-settings : Depends: screen-resolution-extra (>= 0.17~) but it is not installable
208[03:26:03] <lawr3nce> how do I fix?
209[03:26:21] <annadane> ,v screen-resolution-extra
210[03:26:22] <judd> No package named 'screen-resolution-extra' was found in amd64.
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217[03:31:05] <dvs> !ubuntu
218[03:31:05] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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220[03:33:15] <lawr3nce> how do you install cuda toolkit in debian?
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226[03:36:48] <detly> Is there a page somewhere that tells me what the "standard" live image is here: replaced-url
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228[03:37:47] <detly> I don't need a desktop environment for this project, so if there's a live image without one I'd go for that
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230[03:39:34] <bigfluff> detly: 'standard' boots right to a live-environment shell, sounds to be exactly what you're after
231[03:39:55] <detly> bigfluff: great! thank you
232[03:40:01] <bigfluff> np
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258[03:59:53] <detly> also it looks like the trackers for the bittorrent image downloads are not accepting connections
259[04:00:05] <detly> ie. replaced-url
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314[04:37:18] <z14> hi, is there a way to stop /etc/bash.bashrc being sourced? Even --rcfile won't stop it.
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318[04:40:20] <z14> and u can't mix --norc and --rcfile, right?
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323[04:45:12] <LaScoumoune_> Hi all, how can i find the /dev/name with only this info: Bus 003 Device 095: ID 0d7d:1620 ? If i try to have more info about /dev/bus/usb/003/095,that dont show the major and minor for find in /sys/block
324[04:45:50] <dvs> ,usbid 0d7d:1620
325[04:46:30] <LaScoumoune_> i dont have this tool wait i try to install
326[04:47:14] <LaScoumoune_> i have try udevadm info -d /dev/bus/usb/003/095 that show 0:6
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328[04:48:48] <LaScoumoune_> dvs: which tool is it usbid ? i try to pt search usbid but no found
329[04:49:20] <LaScoumoune_> *apt
330[04:50:06] <LaScoumoune_> ok that python
331[04:50:08] <LaScoumoune_> wait
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338[04:56:58] <LaScoumoune_> yea that more complicated with python and usbid
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341[04:57:59] <annadane> ,pciid 0d7d:1620
342[04:58:00] <judd> [0d7d:1620] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in stretch or in sid. See also replaced-url
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344[04:59:16] <LaScoumoune_> pciid ? ok wait i show
345[04:59:28] <annadane> no not necessarily, i'm just trying to guess
346[04:59:39] <LaScoumoune_> ok
347[04:59:50] <annadane> i don't know how things get populated in /dev
348[05:00:18] <LaScoumoune_> yea i trying to find i just need the good info in order and i think i can
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351[05:02:07] <annadane> i wonder if dmesg trickery would get you that
352[05:02:26] <LaScoumoune_> i have look but no ahah
353[05:03:03] <LaScoumoune_> no link with /dev/name and Bus 003 Device 095: ID 0d7d:1620
354[05:03:55] <annadane> probably findable via a search engine but i'm lazy
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357[05:04:30] <LaScoumoune_> yea i try but i try to find good word in english for find
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361[05:06:58] <annadane> btw why do you ask? do you need that information for another goal you're trying to accomplish?
362[05:08:43] <LaScoumoune_> yes i just need to find the /dev/name for mount it and make a backup
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364[05:08:59] <LaScoumoune_> i have write /etc/udev/rules.d/60-auto-backup-on-usb.rule && /usr/local/bin/auto_backup_on_usb
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366[05:09:26] <LaScoumoune_> but next step is mount and cp file on
367[05:09:45] <LaScoumoune_> and umount
368[05:09:50] <LaScoumoune_> in mayb 5s
369[05:09:53] <LaScoumoune_> maybe*
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374[05:17:08] <LaScoumoune_> or i can change the /dev/name for the id usb maybe
375[05:19:25] <jelly> LaScoumoune_: instead of searching for device, search for the filesystem by uuid or label, perhaps?
376[05:20:10] <jelly> /dev/disk/by-uuid/ /dev/disk/by-label/ and similar
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379[05:21:59] <LaScoumoune_> oh yea that can work especialy by label
380[05:23:26] <LaScoumoune_> ls -l /dev/disk/by-label/ and i catch the dev name and mount /dev/name
381[05:24:42] <jelly> you can probably catch it with an udev rule directly, no ls
382[05:25:09] <jelly> no idea about specifics, I have never written one
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384[05:26:09] <LaScoumoune_> yea i read that actualy, because i have make a rule for usb ID 0d7d:1620 when i add that make backup of my script
385[05:26:48] <LaScoumoune_> and i read maybe i can rename like /dev/backup* blabla
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388[05:27:39] <LaScoumoune_> but i keep you're info
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400[05:47:53] <LaScoumoune_> yea i change the symlink in udev rules and after i do ls -l /sys/block | grep $(udevadm info -q path -n /dev/backup1)
401[05:48:08] <LaScoumoune_> that can work, thank all see you later
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504[08:16:58] <amercan> Hey, I have heard that systemd-boot doesn't play with Debian nicely because of its requirements with the boot partition. Can someone confirm or deny this as I couldn't find that much information when I searched the internet?
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521[08:47:12] <awal1> !systemd-boot
522[08:47:33] <awal1> dpkg: systemd-boot
523[08:47:33] <dpkg> awal1: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
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526[08:49:26] <Haohmaru> dpkg where's muh package?
527[08:49:27] <dpkg> Haohmaru: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
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531[08:54:22] <jelly> the package was returned to sender, you did not answer the door
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555[09:09:50] <budlight> hi
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575[09:35:13] <timothywcrane> No problems with system boot here. Use boot loader EFI "to disk" due to NVMe usage so I may just be missing the issue. From potato to buster. V or D, haven't had booting issues without my own fault in driver/kernel borking
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577[09:36:18] <timothywcrane> amercan: 2 u
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641[11:01:13] <beinbliss4> Hello, how to allow routing to external ip? I want some marked packets to go to different external gateway, what i am missing here? replaced-url
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646[11:09:35] <huma> i'm currently on debian 8.7. is the best practice for an upgrade going to 9 first and then 10?
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649[11:11:15] <Unit193> Yes, skipping versions isn't really supported.
650[11:12:11] <ScottHDev> Hello, I'm troubleshooting my raspberrypi NFSv4 server and I'm unsure of the validity of its /etc/idmapd.conf file. From what I understand, the Domain needs to be the same in server:/etc/idmapd.conf as in all clients : clients:/etc/idmapd.confAnd the Nobody-User and Nobody-Group should stay respectively : nobody and nogroup ?
651[11:13:01] <huma> Unit193: ok, thanks. so i'll go to the latest 8.11 and then hop through the releases.
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654[11:15:08] <ScottHDev> from running ` ps aux | grep rpc` on the server, I can't see the rpc.nfsd processus.
655[11:15:41] <ScottHDev> Should I run it manually?
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659[11:18:10] <ksk> !raspbian
660[11:18:10] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
661[11:18:27] <ksk> nevermind that, should you actually be running Debian.
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694[11:57:06] <NetTerminalGene> ,v firefox-esr
695[11:57:07] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch: 68.4.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 68.7.0esr-1~deb10u1; jessie-security: 68.9.0esr-1~deb8u2; stretch-proposed-updates: 68.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 68.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster-proposed-updates: 68.9.0esr-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 68.9.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye:
696[11:57:08] <judd> 68.9.0esr-1; sid: 68.9.0esr-1
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893[14:56:30] <montxero> I created a ~/.xsessionrc file which only sources ~/.profile. Now I can't log in graphically
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895[14:56:43] <montxero> Ideas?
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898[14:57:27] <diogenes_> montxero, to remove it?
899[14:58:11] <Haohmaru> rename it so it doesn't get picked up?
900[14:59:48] <montxero> diogenes_: No, I want my environment variables available in apps lunched via the gui
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902[15:00:28] <diogenes_> montxero, isn't it bashrc for that purpose?
903[15:00:32] <abrotman> isn't it just .xsession ?
904[15:00:38] <montxero> Haohmaru: renaming it allows me login graphically, but I want it to work for the reason I just said.
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906[15:00:56] <montxero> diogenes_: no, I don't think so
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908[15:01:11] <juhop> source ~/.profile in ~/.xsession
909[15:01:50] <montxero> juhop: I do not have a .xsession
910[15:02:13] <montxero> shall I rename ~/.xsessionrc to ~/.xsession
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913[15:02:32] <juhop> montxero: replaced-url
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915[15:02:55] <montxero> diogenes_: The idiom can be found in replaced-url
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919[15:06:36] <montxero> juhop: my ~/.bashrc already sources my ~/.profile and everything works great in the terminal.
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921[15:07:04] <montxero> Infact, the sourcing does not happen until the first time I open a terminal
922[15:07:09] <montxero> not on login
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925[15:09:47] <montxero> IIUC, .xsession is more involved than .xsessionrc, in that I have to specify what window manager to use and things like that
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980[15:46:12] <sgo11> Are there any photo viewer app which supports both scan directory recursively and webp animation? For webp animation, so far, I only found nomacs supported it. But it doesn't support scan directory recursively. For recursive photo viewer, the best I can find is geeqie Pan view, but it doesn't support webp and webp animation. Thanksa.
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986[15:48:59] <ScottHDev> Hello, I'm issuing this lintian error : arch-dependent-file-not-in-arch-specific-directory. And I'm wondering what's my best option to fix it. Hard coding the install dir in the meson.build? or something in debian directory?
987[15:49:59] <petn-randall> !debian-mentors
988[15:49:59] <dpkg> Find packaging help for the Debian project in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net. If the channel is invite-only it's because you missed it being on OFTC.
989[15:50:32] <petn-randall> ScottHDev: You have a good chance to get an answer here. ^^^
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993[15:52:52] <ScottHDev> This is an invite only chanel
994[15:52:59] <ScottHDev> *channel
995[15:53:30] <Ede|Popede> the factoid has 2 (TWO) sentences.
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997[15:55:59] <ScottHDev> From what I understand, #debian-mentors is more for people who want reviews/help to get their package in the debian repo. Which is not my case so I won't bother them with my package
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1000[15:58:09] <Unit193> ScottHDev: Basically, you want to install the thing to /usr/lib/$(DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH)/ rather than /usr/lib/, most likely.
1001[15:58:15] <Ede|Popede> from the topic: Get help contributing (especially packaging, infra) | Join #packaging for other packaging
1002[15:58:50] <Unit193> #debian-mentors is for stuff that goes to Debian, #packaging for personal stuff. Yeah.
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1037[16:21:44] <ScottHDev> There is litterally nobody in #packaging
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1042[16:24:22] <themill> There's literally 63 people there...
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1046[16:24:56] <ScottHDev> That must be a bug, I really see nobody
1047[16:25:00] <quadrathoch2> ScottHDev it's on another IRC server
1048[16:25:23] <ScottHDev> Ow
1049[16:26:01] <ScottHDev> and may you tell me at which IRC server it's located?
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1052[16:26:29] <quadrathoch2> is reading that hard?
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1055[16:27:46] <ScottHDev> is it irc.oftc.net/packaging ?
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1061[16:31:05] <Ede|Popede> it is #packaging on OFTC, reachable through irc.oftc.net (i suppose some round robin). the exact procedure may depend on your client, but connecting to that network and then joining the channel there would be the way to go.
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1072[16:41:06] <rander2> hello
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1074[16:41:46] <rander2> I don't find /dev/lp0 interface , why this ?
1075[16:42:00] <rander2> I have a text parallel printer connected
1076[16:42:27] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys what app can i use to crop a pic please and dont say gimp
1077[16:42:51] <Haohmaru> Eryn_1983_FL KolourPaint if you want that vintage MSPaint-like eggsperience
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1079[16:43:08] <Haohmaru> imagemagick if you feel like a commandline h4x0r
1080[16:43:11] <rander2> Eryn_1983_FL, I use irfan_view with wine
1081[16:43:18] <rander2> it work finely
1082[16:43:20] <ksk> Eryn_1983_FL: replaced-url
1083[16:43:29] <ksk> ,info xpaint
1084[16:43:30] <judd> Package xpaint (graphics, optional) in buster/amd64: simple paint program for X. Version: 2.9.1.4-3.2+b1; Size: 480.0k; Installed: 1681k; Homepage: replaced-url
1085[16:43:31] <ksk> maybe that one?
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1087[16:44:32] <Haohmaru> kewl, i didn't know you can find b00bz in debian screenshots
1088[16:44:33] <Haohmaru> >:)
1089[16:45:05] <ksk> Haohmaru: official debian source? Worth a bugreport (violation of code of conduct, imho)
1090[16:45:13] <rander2> dmesg | grep parport
1091[16:45:13] <rander2> [ 5.515675] parport_pc 00:05: reported by Plug and Play ACPI
1092[16:45:13] <rander2> [ 5.515734] parport0: PC-style at 0x378, irq 5 [PCSPP]
1093[16:45:20] <Haohmaru> Synaptic (NSFW)
1094[16:45:34] <rander2> I have module , but /dev/lp0 don't exist
1095[16:45:49] <Eryn_1983_FL> nm i got it
1096[16:45:56] <Eryn_1983_FL> immagick
1097[16:46:08] <Haohmaru> ksk replaced-url
1098[16:46:12] <Eryn_1983_FL> just used display on the .jpg
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1100[16:46:24] <ksk> rander2: what are you tryint to do? As far as I know the whole /dev/lp* stuff is fairly archaic?
1101[16:46:25] <Haohmaru> well, if that counts as a b00b
1102[16:46:48] <ksk> Haohmaru: oof :P
1103[16:46:51] <Haohmaru> there are worse things on MTV
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1105[16:47:13] <rander2> ksk , I'm trying to use a parallel tetxt printes
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1107[16:47:22] <ksk> I would think this is okay since its a) a picture b) art c) classic? - not sure though..
1108[16:47:35] <Haohmaru> yeah, i was semi-joking
1109[16:47:36] <ksk> eh, s/picture/drawing
1110[16:47:58] <Haohmaru> it's ancient-grade "realistic" tho
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1112[16:48:24] <ksk> There have been cases in the past where some tools were removed for being offensive to various genders ( the female one, actually.. )
1113[16:48:38] <Haohmaru> really?
1114[16:48:45] * Haohmaru deploys an ear
1115[16:48:55] <ksk> like some "funny quotes" tool having sexist quotes in it upstream, and the maintainers did not want to remove them. Forgot its name..
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1117[16:49:25] <Haohmaru> huh
1118[16:49:47] <rander2> hello
1119[16:50:33] <ksk> Haohmaru: replaced-url
1120[16:50:46] <Haohmaru> rander2 is your parallel port disabled or not properly configured from BIOS? is it a different name than lp0 maybe?
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1122[16:51:10] <rander2> Haohmaru, it's enabled from bios
1123[16:51:57] <rander2> -- /dev/lp0 interface exist by default if parallel port is enabled from bios ?
1124[16:52:09] <Haohmaru> no idea.. but it might be a different name
1125[16:52:43] <Haohmaru> i've used my parallel port before (maybe on debian9) i could try to see how it was named then.. but after some hours
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1147[17:11:55] <annadane> i've exported/imported my feed list in liferea a bunch of times and now i have a ton of nested subfolders, is there a way to "collapse" the list? if my question makes sense
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1155[17:19:28] <tmroland> hi, i have a drive on which i have 2 partitions, sda1 and sda2, sda2 is debian and sda1 was created to copy sda2 to so i can resize it to take up the whole disk because i was running low on space on sda 2. i used rescue mode on debian usb to dd sda2 to sda1 and when i rebooted it boots and gets stuck at the disk detection phase in the kernel log
1156[17:19:28] <tmroland> bufferused dd if=/dev/sda2 of=/dev/sda1 from live usb and it fails to boot now
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1162[17:25:06] <FIUBOT> Hi guys, how are you doing?
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1164[17:25:58] <FIUBOT> I have a question
1165[17:26:18] <FIUBOT> uptime 15:11:12 up 855 days, 5:44
1166[17:26:25] <bjarne333> good. i just upgraded a server from 8 to 9 and it went fine
1167[17:26:34] <FIUBOT> uptime -p up 2 years, 18 weeks, 1 day
1168[17:26:55] <FIUBOT> How is the years uptime calculated?
1169[17:27:20] <FIUBOT> Cause I did the math and if I consider a 365 days year, it does not add up
1170[17:27:38] <petn-randall> FIUBOT: Not all years have 365 days.
1171[17:27:42] <Ede|Popede> we had 366 days this year
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1173[17:28:04] <greycat> will have.
1174[17:28:09] <Ede|Popede> so halftime is this midnight though we're in july already.
1175[17:28:38] * petn-randall reads greycat's comment and knocks on wood.
1176[17:28:50] <Ede|Popede> i was afraid it was mostly over already, since christmas isn't so long away...
1177[17:29:40] <greycat> FIUBOT: rather than worrying about how some obscure uptime option that nobody has ever used before works, you should worry about why that system hasn't been rebooted in 2 years, and what kernel bugs are unpatched
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1181[17:30:33] <petn-randall> Probably missed all the CPU bug patches, too.
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1183[17:31:19] <FIUBOT> Sadly I am not root on that system and the admin dismissed all my concerns
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1190[17:32:33] <ratrace> that's no longer the original admin. that server is so compromised, the haxxor bots took over the admin too, T-1000 style.
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1192[17:33:56] <FIUBOT> Anyway, I did the math and 18 weeks and 1 days add up to 127 days
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1194[17:34:59] <FIUBOT> 855 minus 127 equals 728, divided by 2 is 364
1195[17:35:02] <petn-randall> ratrace: Maybe if it's on a public network. But unlikely on a private one.
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1220[17:55:46] <metbsd> hey when i apt update and upgrade, does it upgrade the backports too?
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1223[17:58:58] <rgwu> If I add contrib and non-free just to get intel-microcode, is it safe to then remove those components from sources.list? What do I need to do afterwards, if anything? Another 'apt-get update'?
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1227[17:59:46] <eventhorizon5> rgwu: yeah it's safe to remove those afterwards. After removing them, just do an apt-get update to refresh.
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1229[17:59:56] <rgwu> eventhorizon5: Thanks
1230[18:00:04] <metbsd> i thought intel ucode is in stable?
1231[18:00:11] <metbsd> not in contrib or nonfree
1232[18:00:48] <eventhorizon5> intel-microcode is in nonfree
1233[18:01:08] <metbsd> intel-microcode/stable,now 3.20200609.2~deb10u1 amd64 [installed]
1234[18:02:05] <eventhorizon5> not sure - I use aptitude, and in that it said that the section is non-free/admin
1235[18:02:53] <rgwu> intel-microcode could not be found via 'apt-cache search' without adding contrib and non-free on debian stable for me
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1240[18:06:06] <metbsd> i'm having problem with realtek 8822b wifi and bluetooth
1241[18:06:19] <metbsd> it asks for rtw88 and it's not in any firmware-realtek
1242[18:06:26] <metbsd> i have to download rtw88 from kernel.org
1243[18:06:32] <metbsd> i have to download rtw88 from kernel.org to get wifi to work
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1246[18:07:32] <metbsd> actually what does cpu microcode fix
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1251[18:10:36] <rgwu> For Intels, x86_64 machine instructions are converted to an unpublished RISC machine architecture set of instructions. That's what is actually executed. The microcode updates essentially update that RISC architecture.
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1672[19:35:45] <ksk> metbsd: do you know about nonfree?
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1674[19:36:08] <ksk> (I do not know if solves your problem, or if the hardware is too new to be part of debian its kernel?)
1675[19:36:22] <ksk> !tell metbsd about nonfree
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1677[19:36:48] <ksk> (its kind of normal to need nonfree repos for network, sound, whatnot firmware)
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1705[19:59:59] <mark566> what is the best way to wipe the swap partition on each shutdown, with a systemd service?
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1707[20:00:40] <pasiz> mark566: with dd?
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1711[20:00:50] <pasiz> mark566: and swapoff before wipe
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1714[20:01:28] <rudi_s> mark566: Why do you want to wipe it?
1715[20:01:36] <pasiz> mark566: encrypted swap removes the need for wipe
1716[20:02:12] <pasiz> so cryptsetup package is also your friend
1717[20:02:14] <mark566> pasiz: i understand, performance overhead is not acceptable with encryption
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1719[20:02:34] <greycat> but taking an hour to shut down is...
1720[20:02:52] <mark566> greycat: 15 seconds for 1gb is acceptable thanks
1721[20:03:07] <rudi_s> Did you measure the performance overhead? Which system are you using? And we're talking about swap here, the disk will be the slow path, not the encryption.
1722[20:03:42] <pasiz> i would not talk about performance overhead if i need swap
1723[20:03:44] <greycat> maybe you just want to remove the swap partition altogether, and stop using so much RAM. or buy more RAM.
1724[20:03:58] <pasiz> adding ram is more performance wise than wiping swap
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1726[20:05:21] <rgwu> Ram has come down in price recently
1727[20:05:24] <mark566> rudi_s: encryption is quite slow here when i used a full disk encryption solution...my cpu doesnt benefit from aes-ni...maybe just encrypted swap would be ok
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1731[20:07:36] <pasiz> mark566: or buying hardware on this century would also help on performance...
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1733[20:07:41] <JyZyXEL> package "secure-delete" has a: "sswap - secure swap wiper (secure_deletion toolkit)
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1756[20:23:00] <autofsckk> hi guys, i recently installed debian on a test box, /usr/sbin path is not working, any ideas on how to fix this?
1757[20:23:38] <greycat> !buster su
1758[20:23:38] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
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1764[20:25:30] <autofsckk> greycat: ok thanks, i was reading this replaced-url
1765[20:25:31] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1769[20:27:41] <greycat> su to a non-root user isn't *supposed* to include /usr/sbin in the PATH, unless the user configured their profile that way
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1774[20:32:33] <Ede|Popede> btw, is there *any* case where sudo would ask for the root password?
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1777[20:33:30] <ksk> if root calls it? :P
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1779[20:33:34] <pasiz> Ede|Popede: no, why you would need sudo if you are identifying yourself root
1780[20:33:45] <greycat> you can use sudo to *reduce* privs also
1781[20:33:46] <Ede|Popede> ksk: heh, why did i expect this? ;)
1782[20:33:51] <greycat> (but you shouldn't)
1783[20:34:26] <ksk> I think there is something in the manpage about sudo asking for root password instead of the calling users - but nobody with a sane mindset would want that ;)
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1785[20:34:55] <Ede|Popede> i was reading some install instruction recently of a piece of software, they have their own repo. can't remember atm. but it started already with sudo curl | sudo sh. and then explained that it would ask for the root password. and some more of this.
1786[20:35:31] <ksk> "sudo curl" for when "pipe to sudo" is not insecure enough!
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1789[20:36:02] <Ede|Popede> yeah, took me some time after i've been confronted with sudo for the first time (iirc it was some Knoppix), but it was a good reasoning.
1790[20:36:07] <Ede|Popede> you say it!
1791[20:36:12] <pasiz> but with rootpw flag you could make sudo ask root passwd
1792[20:36:33] <Ede|Popede> they only mentioned it as if it was the normal behaviour
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1794[20:36:49] <pasiz> like "Defaults rootpw" in sudoers file
1795[20:37:12] <Ede|Popede> the issue with sudo is i forget the root pw regularly
1796[20:38:03] <pasiz> Ede|Popede: sudo passwd maybe?
1797[20:39:00] <Ede|Popede> i don't need it usually, and this is not a high security area, so no cameras in the room, no secured access, even the pc is bootable by whatever
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1801[20:39:39] <pasiz> Ede|Popede: but if you have user that can elevate to root, root can change roots password, i cannot follow whats the problem
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1803[20:40:12] <Ede|Popede> would just be fine to remember it :/
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1806[20:41:57] <pasiz> this is #debian, not #alzheimer
1807[20:42:39] <annadane> it isn't? damn it. /part
1808[20:43:18] <Ede|Popede> but... isn't it based on debian?
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1811[20:43:40] <pasiz> Ede|Popede: alzheimer? i don't think so...
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1814[20:44:57] <pasiz> if its starting slowly and gradually worsens over time, i would guess it's something created in microsnort
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1817[20:46:10] <Ede|Popede> i'd like this on a t-shirt
1818[20:46:26] <ksk> Ede|Popede: I know some companies have a locked up box with root passwords for emergency cases. So the Admin on Duty can access systems he should, but does not have to know all the passwords.
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1820[20:46:53] <ksk> have a determined workflow for what happens if an admin needs that box (like, reset all the passwords, build a nex box..)
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1824[20:47:43] <pasiz> ksk: if you cannot remember one root password, there is high risk you wouldn't find the box when needed...
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1829[20:49:52] <ksk> I am talking multiple root passwords here, but yes, that sounds reasonable :D
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1835[20:51:46] <hejux> wow, channel created 19 years ago
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1837[20:52:24] <greycat> I'm positive it's older than that. You're just seeing some event like "the channel was registered".
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1841[20:53:46] <greycat> Of course, the IRC network was called OPN back then, not Freenode, but still. We were here.
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1844[20:54:09] <hejux> greycat: were you there at the time
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1846[20:54:33] <greycat> yes
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1956[22:07:55] <n4dir> hi. How can i run gui applications as root, gparted.
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1959[22:10:06] <diogenes_> n4dir, pkexec env DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY appname
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1962[22:10:59] <n4dir> thanks. let me try
1963[22:13:46] <n4dir> running it as user i am told "not authorized", as root i get the same error as before
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1965[22:18:24] <n4dir> replaced-url
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1972[22:25:44] <xiculan> hello :)
1973[22:25:56] <n4dir> hm. i exited openbox and used xfce, there i can simply run it from the app-menu.
1974[22:26:19] <annadane> i imagine due to xfce having polkit and openbox not
1975[22:26:28] <annadane> openbox does have a polkit package though IIRC
1976[22:26:37] <xiculan> I have a trouble, i'm in debian 10 with eclipse and openjdk, I'm doing a little project, with "file.exists()==true", i export to .jar, and when i execute from console, all works, but when I execute from graphic system, It doesnt recognize the file, like it doesnt recognize his path. Can u help me?
1977[22:26:56] <n4dir> annadane: what a shit. but thanks
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1980[22:28:08] <annadane> gparted maaaay be an exception, i don't know, but in general you should not run gui programs as root (or stuff as root in general), and instead use polkit to elevate privileges
1981[22:29:04] <n4dir> gparted *is* an exception.
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1984[22:30:45] <n4dir> but then: i got no clue what polkit might be
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1992[22:33:08] <greycat> !polkit
1993[22:33:08] <dpkg> PolicyKit or polkit is a Gnome-inspired permission control framework, implemented in javascript and/or [XXX]XML Its configuration files will be found in many more directories than described in any single documentation. Start with man 8 polkit
1994[22:33:31] <n4dir> sounds awesome already
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1996[22:34:26] <annadane> and this can be a problem with running bare WMs, as much as people like them
1997[22:34:34] <annadane> i like a lot of the automagic things that DEs do
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1999[22:35:00] <annadane> it's up to the user to figure it out, not everything is going to be as smooth
2000[22:35:12] <n4dir> running a DE to be able to start one application sounds a bit overdressed for me.
2001[22:35:28] <greycat> Those of us who run normal WMs tend to not use graphical sysadmin tools in the first place. We grew up in the era where they just didn't exist, so we never learned them. We learned the standard unix tool set.
2002[22:36:53] <n4dir> i think that is a bit of a stretched picture of WM users.
2003[22:37:02] <JustASlacker> isnt that handled by systemd nowadays
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2005[22:37:08] <JustASlacker> like everything else
2006[22:39:41] <dbristow> Does anybody know of a tool (commandline, or whatever) that will tell you the contents of a *.torrent file?
2007[22:39:59] <JustASlacker> cat
2008[22:40:00] <tomreyn> cat
2009[22:40:04] <JustASlacker> ^_^
2010[22:40:07] <annadane> meow
2011[22:40:19] <sney> unless you mean the contents of the torrent itself, which aren't in the .torrent file.
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2013[22:40:30] <dbristow> The filenames in the *.torrent
2014[22:40:34] <ryouma> dbristow: there is somethign there that can get you the filenames
2015[22:40:51] <tomreyn> strings?
2016[22:41:17] <ryouma> i have it in my notes but do not know what to search for
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2018[22:41:40] <ryouma> you'd think file would do it
2019[22:41:50] <dbristow> No, file just says "Bittorrent file"
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2021[22:42:33] <ryouma> i know it exists is all
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2023[22:42:49] <ryouma> wish i knew what it was
2024[22:43:32] <JustASlacker> gee, if we only could search the internet for that
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2026[22:43:33] <JustASlacker> replaced-url
2027[22:43:58] <ryouma> forgot about the internet
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2029[22:44:07] <gekkou> how can i add programs to my start menu on debian?
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2034[22:46:06] <annadane> gekkou, this might help replaced-url
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2094[23:36:38] <jhutchins> ,v chromium
2095[23:36:39] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 70.0.3538.110-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 73.0.3683.75-1~deb9u1; buster: 80.0.3987.162-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 80.0.3987.162-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 81.0.4044.92-1; sid: 83.0.4103.116-2
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