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15 [00:12:20] <alexrelis> I've been having this problem for quite some time now with VLC. If I ever close it, it just kind of stays as a process. And if I ever try to kill it, it just stays there as if it was a zombie process. This happens most of the time, if not always. I believe there was an update to VLC recently but the update didn't fix the issue. Could it be a bug?
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98 [01:30:01] <warsoul> no updates all this days?
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101 [01:30:22] <yazgi> bienvenue a stable ?
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124 [01:56:57] <petn-randall> warsoul: Yes, no, maybe? Not sure what you're asking for
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126 [01:57:57] <warsoul> petn-randall doing apt update
127 [01:58:09] <warsoul> and there is no update for few long days
128 [01:58:10] <warsoul> :P
129 [02:00:15] <petn-randall> warsoul: Well, that command doesn't install any updates.
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136 [02:03:14] <warsoul> whats the command?
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138 [02:03:37] <quadrathoch2> apt upgrade
139 [02:03:38] <apt> Upgrading is easy! Go that way, really fast. If something gets in your way, turn.
140 [02:03:56] <petn-randall> warsoul: `man apt` will show you the documentation for that program.
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142 [02:04:04] <petn-randall> apt: Are you a bot?
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144 [02:04:46] <coruja> apt update
145 [02:04:47] <apt> i heard update is to refresh the mirrors
146 [02:04:55] <coruja> looks like
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148 [02:06:03] <coruja> and btw, 'apt update' shows if there are any updates to install, and it's quite normal that there aren't any for days while running stable
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151 [02:09:46] <avu> apt moo
152 [02:09:47] <apt> mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.
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163 [02:29:13] <annadane> ...worst. invention. ever.
164 [02:29:36] <alexrelis[m]> apt: this made me chuckle. Very funny apt, very funny.
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175 [02:45:53] <yazgi> apt moo hamburger
176 [02:45:53] * apt moos at hamburger
177 [02:46:25] <yazgi> apt-get moo steak
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186 [02:56:26] <alexrelis[m]> avu is trying to turn this entire channel into cows!
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196 [03:12:15] <sponix> Anyone have suggestions on making an Qanba Obsidian Fight Stick work with Linux Steam for Street Fighter 5 ?
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208 [03:23:29] <annadane> sponix, no but the only thing i can possibly think of is use dmesg -w when you plug it in and see if it's detected and if it isn't look for any missing firmware and/or try a backported kernel
209 [03:25:44] <annadane> if it doesn't Just Work already
210 [03:25:57] <annadane> or ask steam support
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221 [03:37:21] <sponix> annadane: thanks.. I am on an odd route that might work. Someone else say qjoypad -- It maps everything on the stick to keyboard inputs. And Street Fighter 5 does work with the keyboard. So having my Fight stick mapped to that _should_ work lol
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223 [03:39:23] <plt> Does anyone know how to change mariadb bind to 0.0.0.0 please?
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227 [03:44:31] <sponix> plt: that is likely a my.cnf config variable setting. sure the online manual makes references to it
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232 [03:47:38] <plt> I am using this replaced-url
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236 [03:49:36] <plt> what <sponix> plt: that is likely a my.cnf config variable setting. sure the online manual makes are you refering to please?/
237 [03:55:06] <quadrathoch2> plt did you look into /etc/mysql/mariadb.conf.d/50-server.cnf ?
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241 [04:02:47] <plt> Thanks. That is weird place to put the cnf
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358 [06:48:10] <somiaj> Is there a name for the convention to make all webiste locations foo/bar/index.html instead of just foo/bar.html (this way all links look like replaced-url
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362 [06:49:30] <sney> not that I can think of, besides "supports better url rewriting" I guess
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364 [06:53:51] <somiaj> I was just trying to search for a write up on it (for some documenation) and was wondering if it had a name/convention I could use as a keyword
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480 [09:30:55] <Haohmaru> bluh, can't seem to find a tool for debian that can write a crapdows.iso onto a usb flash stick
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484 [09:31:57] <Pampeano> Meu local: null, Brasil
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487 [09:33:37] <quadrathoch2> look at woeusb, on GitHub, sadly afaik right now the GUI is broken, but the cli script is working
488 [09:33:50] <quadrathoch2> haohmaru ^
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524 [10:04:02] <kiwiirc> does debian run .AppImage files natively?
525 [10:05:30] <quadrathoch2> kiwiirc it should work fine
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543 [10:30:19] <hattkunskapz> hi, can i update a kernel many version apart?
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546 [10:30:57] <apollo13> kiwiirc: define "natively", an appimage is "just" a binary shipping all the dependencies
547 [10:31:09] <apollo13> it is basically system indepedent and doesn't require external tooling
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557 [10:34:16] <kiwiirc> apollo13 i thought it wasn't working but i just needed to +x it
558 [10:34:19] <kiwiirc> ty
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597 [11:14:42] <NetTerminalGene> ,v firefox
598 [11:14:43] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- sid: 77.0-1
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600 [11:15:03] <NetTerminalGene> ,v firefox-esr
601 [11:15:04] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch: 68.4.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 68.7.0esr-1~deb10u1; jessie-security: 68.9.0esr-1~deb8u2; stretch-proposed-updates: 68.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 68.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster-proposed-updates: 68.9.0esr-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 68.9.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye:
602 [11:15:05] <judd> 68.9.0esr-1; sid: 68.9.0esr-1
603 [11:15:25] <NetTerminalGene> next version will be 78 ESR, right?
604 [11:15:33] <NetTerminalGene> soon
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645 [12:24:18] <kiwiirc> what's wrong with the sed command in my bash script pls? replaced-url
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648 [12:25:20] <nkuttler> kiwiirc: please use paste.debian.net
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650 [12:26:04] <nkuttler> kiwiirc: also what's the '' supposed to be there?
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654 [12:33:27] <kiwiirc> oh sorry about that. and i don't remember, i wrote it a long time ago on macos
655 [12:33:36] <kiwiirc> should i try it with that removed?
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659 [12:38:10] <kiwiirc> ty nkuttler!
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661 [12:38:58] <nkuttler> perhaps a different sed version? bsd..
662 [12:39:31] <kiwiirc> ya
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684 [12:52:56] <XATRIX> Hi ,can you advice ? I can't get updates for repositories. replaced-url
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686 [12:53:24] <XATRIX> I did apt-get clean all. But it doesn't help me so far
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700 [13:06:25] <jelly> XATRIX: which version of debian-archive-keyring package is installed?
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702 [13:07:38] <XATRIX> jelly: Installed: 2017.5+deb9u1
703 [13:07:39] <XATRIX> Candidate: 2017.5+deb9u1
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709 [13:08:30] <dawg_> Alex_001:
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712 [13:09:20] <jelly> XATRIX: the key NO_PUBKEY 9D6D8F6BC857C906 for security.debian.org should be in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-jessie-security-automatic.gpg file, do you have that on the system?
713 [13:10:13] <XATRIX> jelly: yea, i have that file
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716 [13:10:38] <XATRIX> jelly: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.1K May 25 2017 /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-jessie-security-automatic.gpg
717 [13:10:47] <XATRIX> sounds if it's not dated
718 [13:11:45] <jelly> that seems fine
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730 [13:19:00] <Alex_001> Hello there, I would like to know how do I add ipv6 aaddresses on ssh?
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733 [13:19:46] <Alex_001> I have a Debian 9 minimal installed
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741 [13:31:10] <nkuttler> Alex_001: what do you mean by add?
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743 [13:34:21] <rjsalts> how do you stop aptitude from trying to solve dependencies. it's just eating cpu trying to figure out a resolution and I'm trying to fix it manually
744 [13:36:12] <Alex_001> nkuttler: what I meant was adding it to iptables
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762 [13:53:26] <dff> im running a daemon that outputs to console, how do i pipe that output to a file while also having the output still going to console?
763 [13:53:38] <dff> i know how to pipe it to a file but not still have it going to console
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768 [13:56:58] <XATRIX> Seems like i have a crash of repositories
769 [13:56:59] <XATRIX> replaced-url
770 [13:57:07] <XATRIX> Any idea how to switch to native debian ?
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773 [14:00:58] <XATRIX> [root@meds ~]# apt-get update
774 [14:00:58] <XATRIX> Err:1 replaced-url
775 [14:00:58] <XATRIX> Temporary failure resolving 'deb.debian.org'
776 [14:01:07] <XATRIX> But i can ping it O_o
777 [14:01:12] <XATRIX> [root@meds ~]# ping deb.debian.org
778 [14:01:12] <XATRIX> PING debian.map.fastly.net (151.101.86.133) 56(84) bytes of data.
779 [14:01:12] <XATRIX> 64 bytes from 151.101.86.133 (151.101.86.133): icmp_seq=1 ttl=56 time=30.6 ms
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793 [14:09:53] <sgi_> QQ ALL
794 [14:10:32] <sgi_> Is anyone here?
795 [14:10:52] <dvs> !ask
796 [14:10:52] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
797 [14:11:12] <XATRIX> dvs: any idea why apt can't resolve official repositories
798 [14:11:13] <XATRIX> ?
799 [14:11:19] <XATRIX> Err:1 replaced-url
800 [14:11:19] <XATRIX> Temporary failure resolving 'deb.debian.org'
801 [14:11:30] <XATRIX> but i ping it well
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804 [14:13:27] <dvs> XATRIX, works for me
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807 [14:14:26] <XATRIX> Yes, but something is wrong on my setup
808 [14:14:41] <XATRIX> dvs: replaced-url
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810 [14:14:54] <dvs> I don't deal with frankendebians
811 [14:15:26] <XATRIX> replaced-url
812 [14:15:31] <XATRIX> the native repos
813 [14:17:10] <Acheron> could be a networking setting got hosed
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815 [14:18:48] <XATRIX> but the dns server works OK
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818 [14:20:14] <XATRIX> chmod o+r /etc/resolv.conf
819 [14:20:19] <XATRIX> fixed the problem O_O
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822 [14:22:11] <jelly> how did you manage to get resolv.conf permissions broken is a good question
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909 [16:00:44] <hejux> it is weird that permission of my $HOME is drwxr-xr-x, is this normal?
910 [16:01:00] <greycat> very normal
911 [16:01:13] <hejux> any user can read my $HOME?
912 [16:01:17] <greycat> Yup.
913 [16:01:25] * hejux feel unsafe
914 [16:01:30] <greycat> Then change it.
915 [16:01:49] <hejux> chown -R 700?
916 [16:02:08] <greycat> Just remember that if you have a ~/public_html/ and you expect the web server to be able to read it, you'll need to retain at least 711 on $HOME and $HOME/public_html
917 [16:02:20] <greycat> No, do NOT use -R 700.
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919 [16:02:49] <greycat> If you want to isolate yourself and not let anyone in (not even web servers), just chmod 700 $HOME.
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921 [16:03:19] <ruben23> hi guys anyone can help. when i start my newly installed mariaDb i got this error -----> replaced-url
922 [16:03:30] <greycat> Unix was built around communities where sharing is the norm, so having a world-accessible $HOME lets you tell your coworkers "hey, check out my new foobar.c file".
923 [16:03:51] <hejux> i see.
924 [16:03:59] <hejux> ok, i'll let it be.
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927 [16:06:53] <hejux> greycat: dude, you're everywhere, thank you.
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935 [16:11:00] <rrn> hejux: Ha, I got shocked from that as well!
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939 [16:11:37] <rrn> hejux: That's a sensible default for a strictly-work environment (where much of *nix usage occurs), though.
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962 [16:36:51] <gpunk> is just me tripping, or aptitude has been removed from Debian ?
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964 [16:40:10] <greycat> ,v aptitude
965 [16:40:11] <judd> Package: aptitude on amd64 -- jessie: 0.6.11-1+b1; stretch: 0.8.7-1; buster: 0.8.11-7; bullseye: 0.8.13-1+b1; sid: 0.8.13-1+b1
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970 [16:40:27] <greycat> you may need to install the package
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972 [16:43:05] <gpunk> Yes, it is me tripping ! thank you
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980 [16:49:41] <annadane> if aptitude is randomly removed i'd be *very* concerned
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982 [16:50:26] <greycat> Most likely they did a new install and for whatever reason, they didn't select one of the tasks that brings in aptitude.
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1049 [17:45:46] <ruben23> hi guys any idea where to find the logs aside from mysql log coz my database isnot starting up at all -------> Starting MariaDB database server mysqld [fail]
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1051 [17:46:16] <greycat> "systemctl status mariadb" and "journalctl -u mariadb" might be good starting points
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1083 [18:18:48] <lifostack> hi all, can someone tell me the best way to change my user login password i'm on debian 10 buster using wayland
1084 [18:19:06] <nkuttler> open a terminal and use passwd?
1085 [18:19:19] <lifostack> ok just wanted to make sure that was the /best/ way to do it
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1088 [18:19:56] <greycat> !best
1089 [18:19:56] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
1090 [18:20:26] <greycat> It's the way most unix veterans would choose, probably.
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1094 [18:21:48] <jelly> it's also the easiest to explain over irc
1095 [18:21:57] <lifostack> thats what i usually mean by best, i'll have to start saying "how unix vets would do" instead
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1101 [18:26:26] <lifostack> ok so i've just updated my password(s) and they're all very long, like 20+ chars, is there anything i can do about sudo and having to retype ultra long passwords everytime i want to use something that requires sudo or elevated permissions?
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1107 [18:32:08] <greycat> if you run two sudo commands in the same terminal within 15 minutes of each other, you won't have to type the password a second time
1108 [18:32:38] <greycat> that timeout period is configurable. you can also configure specific commands to not require a password at all, but that can be dangerous if people can walk by your desk
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1112 [18:36:28] <lifostack> greycat gotcha.
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1128 [18:57:28] <RoyK> greycat: NOPASSWD: ALL also works, if you really trust everything, but usually not recommended. Raspbian comes preconfigured with that for the pi user, which ironically is preconfigured with a known password :þ
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1130 [18:58:39] <SerajewelKS> NOPASSWD also has implications for RCE
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1134 [18:59:36] <RoyK> SerajewelKS: RCE?
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1136 [19:00:01] <greycat> usually stands for remote code execution
1137 [19:00:09] <greycat> !rce
1138 [19:00:09] <dpkg> rumour has it, rce is Remote Code Execution, a type of security bug
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1145 [19:07:04] <RoyK> well, NOPASSWD won't do that alone, but if you have a bug in some other software - well
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1167 [19:28:30] <SerajewelKS> right, i mean that NOPASSWD can create a secondary exploit
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1171 [19:29:44] <Shadur> No more so than deliberately leaving the keys in the lock means the lock is suddenly flawed.
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1191 [19:42:33] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys does debian have a GUI to burn ISO to Memory Card.
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1193 [19:43:44] <jelly> what, like etcher.io
1194 [19:44:08] <Psil0Cybin> kind of , but anything in the repos or would i use dd?
1195 [19:44:17] <Psil0Cybin> i do not want to install the file off the website
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1201 [19:46:13] <jelly> I know not of one, but it's quite possible GUI file managers these days have that functionality.
1202 [19:46:41] <quadrathoch2> Psil0Cybin what DE are you using?
1203 [19:46:52] <leorat> there is a etcher .appimage here replaced-url
1204 [19:46:55] <jelly> Also you'd avoid dd and use cp instead, maybe, or be careful to give dd a nice large obs=
1205 [19:47:14] <jelly> or pv because PROGRESS BAR
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1210 [19:50:06] <Psil0Cybin> okay
1211 [19:50:09] <Psil0Cybin> im using xfce4 quadrathoch2
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1214 [19:50:18] <Psil0Cybin> i found the app to burn iso -> CD gui but no memory stick.
1215 [19:50:19] <GNULinuxPay> I'm selling GNU/Linux licenses. $99 for single user, $49 for each computer if purchasing for 25 or more machines. Bitcoin payment only!
1216 [19:50:22] <Psil0Cybin> or usb device.
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1219 [19:50:52] <quadrathoch2> Psil0Cybin, hm on xfce is only imho gnome-disks
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1221 [19:50:59] <quadrathoch2> that's mostly native
1222 [19:51:49] <greycat> If your intention is to get the entire irccloud.com gateway banned, you're doing a terrific job of it.
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1233 [19:54:49] <jelly> slightly better to ban the account than just the session
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1235 [19:55:02] <Psil0Cybin> quadrathoch2, would i ned to install gnome disks
1236 [19:55:07] <Psil0Cybin> and is gnome disks different than xfburn?
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1239 [19:55:32] <jelly> greycat: but they seem to be registering new accounts quickly, and were a right PITA a week or so back
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1242 [19:57:37] <quadrathoch2> Psil0Cybin xfburn burns images to cds as it is a cd burner. gnome-disks is a disk utility for internal drives and usb sticks (where SD cards are also included)
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1254 [20:03:19] <Psil0Cybin> okay
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1257 [20:03:39] <Psil0Cybin> E: Unable to locate package gnome-disks
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1261 [20:04:08] <Psil0Cybin> i think quadrathoch2 gnome-disk-utility
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1267 [20:05:56] <quadrathoch2> Psil0Cybin, yup, sorry they renamed it later to gnome-disks :)
1268 [20:06:51] <Psil0Cybin> quadrathoch2, sorry so last question
1269 [20:06:59] <Psil0Cybin> does burning ISO = Restoring ISO?
1270 [20:07:06] <GNULinuxGenuine> I'm GLAT agent too.
1271 [20:08:12] <quadrathoch2> Psil0Cybin yes so you image the data onto the disk
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1280 [20:11:36] <Psil0Cybin> thanks quadrathoch2.
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1302 [20:23:37] <bjarne333> it's my birthday
1303 [20:23:49] <N0SSH> hb2u
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1305 [20:24:22] <bjarne333> im unable to print birthday cake: php -r 'print "congrats: \u{1F382}\n";'
1306 [20:24:29] <bjarne333> congrats: 🎂
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1318 [20:33:43] <Lady_Aleena> Quick question, is the .cache dir in my $HOME like a temporary dir that I can empty out without problems occurring?
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1321 [20:34:37] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: you can probably clean out the contents; not necessarily the directories therein, if it's anything like /var/cache
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1326 [20:39:15] <Lady_Aleena> So I want to remove all the files and not directories. Got it. Now, I looked on the web to see how to do it and found `find . ! -type d -exec rm '{}' \;` on replaced-url
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1328 [20:40:12] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: if you want to remove files... remove files.
1329 [20:40:24] <greycat> you can use -delete instead of -exec rm {} +
1330 [20:40:32] <greycat> it's a GNU extension, but this is #debian so it's there
1331 [20:41:00] <Lady_Aleena> Okay, just checking before I do something stupid and screw up my system (any more than it already is).
1332 [20:41:12] <jelly> find ~/.cache -type f -print to confirm what it is you're selectiing, and then replace -print with -delete
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1334 [20:42:14] <jelly> I'd also verify no running processes used any of those, lsof is your friend
1335 [20:43:24] <greycat> Logging out of X and logging in on a plain console is also a friend.
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1339 [20:46:14] <jelly> so my .cache is 1.5GB
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1341 [20:47:00] <Lady_Aleena> I played it safe and just deleted the mozilla and chromium directories' files. Thank you for your help.
1342 [20:47:18] <jelly> browsers by far, then apt-file the distant third
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1344 [20:47:39] <greycat> The nice thing about knowing you're nuking a browser's cache is you only have to close the browser, not X.
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1347 [20:48:17] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, vlc has a dir in .cache and I didn't want to turn off my music at the moment.
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1366 [21:07:00] <nvz> Lady_Aleena: is your concern freeing up disk space?
1367 [21:07:50] <nvz> because ~/.thumbnails and ~/.cache/thumbnails are typically the larger of the dirs for people who use a GUI file manager..
1368 [21:08:00] <Lady_Aleena> nvz, I was working on something else and thought getting the .cache cleared would help. It did not, though it is nice to have the browsers' caches cleared.
1369 [21:08:34] <Lady_Aleena> It appears that the browsers are NOT clearing the caches when they close.
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1371 [21:09:02] <nvz> Lady_Aleena: you can also do crap like making a dir like "mkdir tmp; HOME=tmp/ mycommand" and run something in a clean home to see how it functions
1372 [21:09:18] <nvz> you'll know then what dirs it creates and how it behaves with no data
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1374 [21:09:53] <greycat> Not everything will blindly respect the HOME variable, though.
1375 [21:10:00] <nvz> this wont typically effect other things like the env, the dbus/dconf, stuff in /tmp etc..
1376 [21:10:31] <greycat> also, you would want HOME to be an absolute path
1377 [21:10:35] <Lady_Aleena> However, I do want to get $HOME as small as possible when I go to back it up somewhere. I am thinking about taking out my current hard drive soon and doing a fresh install of Buster on a new drive.
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1387 [21:16:52] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: the usual solution for backups is to backup everything by default and add careful, specific exclusions
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1389 [21:17:10] <roo-> Should "start-stop-daemon --stop --pidfile file.pid" send a TERM to both the process and its child processes? If not, is there a standard way to achieve this?
1390 [21:17:25] <greycat> Why on earth are you using start-stop-daemon in 2020...
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1393 [21:17:56] <jelly> roo-: a decently written daemon will tell all its children to die and wait for them to do so
1394 [21:18:06] <roo-> greycat: My bad... what's recommended?
1395 [21:18:22] <greycat> Set up the service as a systemd unit, and use Type=forking.
1396 [21:18:30] <dreamer> hmm, having lots of issues with X lately (buster, nvidia driver)
1397 [21:19:12] <dreamer> usually with some video chat it ends up b0rking heavily, but right now I didn't do anything with the computer. and X is using one full core. load on the machine is like 3
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1400 [21:25:59] <dreamer> must be something with the nvidia driver (running one from backports), nvidia-smi is really slow and shows errors
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1402 [21:26:38] <dreamer> starting any gui program uses a full cpu core and takes ages to load
1403 [21:27:22] <dreamer> only way to restorte the machine is to do a hard reset
1404 [21:27:42] <dreamer> can't even restart x, it'll just hang
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1424 [21:50:10] <nvz> dreamer: SAK
1425 [21:52:48] <dreamer> SAK ?
1426 [21:53:00] <nvz> Sysrq+Alt+K
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1428 [21:53:05] <nvz> dpkg, sak?
1429 [21:53:06] <dpkg> bugger all, i dunno, nvz
1430 [21:53:28] <dreamer> oh, not: replaced-url
1431 [21:53:28] <dreamer> :P
1432 [21:53:35] <nvz> probably
1433 [21:54:00] <nvz> ah no thats archaic
1434 [21:54:09] <nvz> its now a function of the magic sysrq key
1435 [21:54:19] <nvz> it instructs the kernel to kill processes
1436 [21:54:29] <dreamer> and then what?
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1438 [21:54:49] <nvz> well usually results in being sent back to your display manager as systemd restarts it..
1439 [21:55:00] <nvz> but its a good way to get hold of a run away system
1440 [21:55:16] <dreamer> hmm
1441 [21:55:18] <RoyK> replaced-url
1442 [21:55:37] <dreamer> well, this sometimes happens multiple times a day .. so really need to look for a more permanent solution
1443 [21:55:49] <dreamer> but this might help to prevent a hard reset
1444 [21:55:54] <dreamer> will try it next time
1445 [21:56:37] <nvz> yes and even if that is required there is a sysrq mantra to do it more safely
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1447 [21:57:02] <RoyK> alt+sysrq S U B
1448 [21:57:03] <nvz> you can flush disks, unmount them, stop processes, and issue a reboot and such all with sysrq commands
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1450 [21:57:04] <RoyK> for instance
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1452 [21:57:23] <dreamer> yeah I've always remembered the 'raising skinny elephants is utterly boring' mnemonic
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1454 [21:57:35] <dreamer> but recently someone said it should be different hehe
1455 [21:57:41] <dreamer> don't remember the 'proper' one though :#
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1457 [21:57:56] <RoyK> for cmd in S U B ; do echo $cmd > /proc/sysrq-trigger ; sleep 3 ; done
1458 [21:57:58] <dreamer> but afaik I tried it some time ago when this happened and it didn't work
1459 [21:58:04] <nvz> it also is goot in my opinion cause it tells you how bad the situation is
1460 [21:58:13] <nvz> the kernel should be able to sysrq no matter what
1461 [21:58:19] <nvz> if that doesnt work you know its really hung
1462 [21:59:21] <nvz> until I've tried things like toggling keyboard lights like numlock and a sysrq I dont consider a machine hung
1463 [21:59:44] <nvz> and the SAK is handy if you know you just did something stupid like accidentally opened a bunch of really HD images in the gimp and you're gonna OOM
1464 [21:59:55] <dreamer> well things are still 'running' sort of. but somehow X is incredibly slow. any graphical process is like a snail on opium
1465 [22:00:02] <dreamer> I'll try the SAK thing next time anyway
1466 [22:00:12] <dreamer> I'm definitely not OOM
1467 [22:00:25] <dreamer> have 32GB and htop showed only ~1.5GB in use
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1469 [22:00:35] <dreamer> but somehow a load of 3
1470 [22:00:48] <dreamer> and anytime I do anything graphical Xorg uses a full cpu core
1471 [22:00:56] <nvz> also persistent journaling is off by default so a SAK will preserve journal so you can investigate
1472 [22:01:22] <RoyK> some distros won't allow killing processes with sysrq - see replaced-url
1473 [22:01:58] <RoyK> some, like rhel/centos, disables magic sysrq altogether, which is rather annoying
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1475 [22:03:03] * dreamer will try upstream nvidia driver to see if it's more stable -_-
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1478 [22:04:15] <metbsd> when will there be major version upgrade?
1479 [22:04:24] <metbsd> like moving testing to stable process
1480 [22:04:30] <jelly> when it's ready
1481 [22:04:32] <greycat> releases are usually 2-3 years apart
1482 [22:04:51] <jelly> !when will bullseye release
1483 [22:04:51] <dpkg> REALLY!!1!? We've got to release buster first.
1484 [22:05:01] <jelly> we did that, dpkg
1485 [22:05:01] <greycat> um.
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1487 [22:05:10] <nvz> !buster
1488 [22:05:10] <dpkg> Buster is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 10, released 2019-07-06. "Buster" is Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story, see replaced-url
1489 [22:05:14] <greycat> poor dpkg, nobody tells it nothin'
1490 [22:05:23] <nvz> you got probably another year at least..
1491 [22:05:31] <greycat> replaced-url
1492 [22:05:33] <metbsd> the next version will be bullseye stable right?
1493 [22:05:46] <nvz> !bullseye
1494 [22:05:46] <dpkg> The release following Debian 10 "Buster" is codenamed "Bullseye" (Woody's horse in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 11. It is the current "testing" release. Remember that straight after a stable release, all sorts of mess suddenly lands in "testing" and it is best avoided if you don't like debugging things. replaced-url
1495 [22:05:48] <metbsd> how did you get those names, lol
1496 [22:05:57] * jelly adds "when will release+1 release" to the list of factoids that need to be fixed for every release
1497 [22:05:59] <greycat> !release history
1498 [22:05:59] <dpkg> Named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25), Stretch (9; 2017-06-17), Buster (10; 2019-07-06). Next: Bullseye. replaced-url
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1503 [22:06:55] <annadane> that factoid is just about out of space
1504 [22:07:24] <greycat> I guess we'll have to split it into two factoids when that happens.
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1506 [22:07:42] <annadane> or stick dpkg in a matrix bridge
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1508 [22:07:52] <annadane> * dpkg[m] sent a long message:
1509 [22:07:55] <nvz> or make two digit dates, or remove the hyphens in the dates..etc
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1511 [22:09:06] <metbsd> toy story, haha
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1513 [22:09:59] <greycat> because Bruce Perens worked at Pixar
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1515 [22:11:38] <metbsd> amazing. looking at this guys resume
1516 [22:11:52] <SerajewelKS> Shadur: wasn't saying the lock was flawed, just pointing out that people walking by one's desk (as was mentioned before) aren't the only entities who might be able to use NOPASSWD lines maliciously
1517 [22:12:36] <annadane> !wwbur
1518 [22:12:36] <dpkg> Bullseye?! GO AWAY!! I've just finished releasing Buster!
1519 [22:12:51] <annadane> i should probably delete that
1520 [22:13:00] <annadane> dpkg, forget wwbur
1521 [22:13:01] <dpkg> i forgot wwbur, annadane
1522 [22:13:01] <greycat> "and boy is my uterus tired"
1523 [22:13:16] <dreamer> well that failed horribly. now I'm without a working graphics driver :D
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1526 [22:14:14] <jhutchins> dreamer: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead?
1527 [22:14:34] <jhutchins> dreamer: What guide were you following?
1528 [22:14:56] <greycat> 15:18 dreamer> hmm, having lots of issues with X lately (buster, nvidia driver)
1529 [22:15:03] <dreamer> I decided I would remove the bpo driver and use the upstream driver
1530 [22:15:09] <dreamer> and that failed :)
1531 [22:15:12] <greycat> My first question, which I didn't actually ask, was "what happened 'lately', what did you change..."
1532 [22:15:42] <dreamer> I didn't change anything. it's been going off for the past months. usually after I've been doing lots of video chats (lockdown etc.)
1533 [22:16:02] <dreamer> but the past week it's been multiple times a day. typically during team meetings (we use google meet at work)
1534 [22:16:25] <dreamer> X grinding to a halt and I'm unable to do anything until I hard reset the machine
1535 [22:16:33] <jhutchins> I don't know of anyone who has had a problem with the driver from Nvidia if they followed the instructions from Nvidia.
1536 [22:16:35] <dreamer> so, I figured: lets try the latest upstream driver
1537 [22:17:04] <dreamer> I removed the bpo driver and related packages and then ran the nvidia installer
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1540 [22:17:14] <jhutchins> dreamer: Does the "latest" support your chipset?
1541 [22:17:15] <greycat> Drivers that *worked* don't suddenly *stop* working.
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1543 [22:17:32] <dreamer> jhutchins: yes
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1545 [22:17:51] <dreamer> "worked" is a relative term
1546 [22:17:55] <dreamer> it works "until"
1547 [22:18:01] <dreamer> and I can't say what exactly 'changed'
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1549 [22:18:20] <dreamer> I regularly update this machine, but I don't always inspect all packages that get updated
1550 [22:19:11] <dreamer> all I can say that it's been getting progressively worse
1551 [22:19:59] <dreamer> I can play video games for days on end (with ie. steam proton), but right now if I have a team meeting over video chat there is a good chance that within 20 minutes X will grind to a halt
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1553 [22:20:20] <dreamer> even if I kill the browser all of X is b0rked
1554 [22:21:13] <jhutchins> dreamer: Did you say what release you're running?
1555 [22:21:19] <dreamer> buster
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1557 [22:21:36] <dreamer> (I did say that I think?)
1558 [22:21:46] <jhutchins> dreamer: Also, which browser?
1559 [22:21:54] <greycat> They said buster, but they also said "bpo driver", never said what kernel, what card/chipset, ...
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1561 [22:22:01] <dreamer> both chromium and google-chrome
1562 [22:22:08] <dreamer> RTX-2060
1563 [22:22:36] <dreamer> 4.19.0-8-amd64
1564 [22:22:42] <jhutchins> dreamer: You might try firefox, see if the behavior is any different.
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1566 [22:22:59] <dreamer> firefox won't work, because I don't have pulseaudio
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1568 [22:23:07] <greycat> you're using a backported nvidia driver but *not* a backported kernel?
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1570 [22:23:19] <dreamer> and what got me ticked off tonight was that X had frozen without even doing anything!
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1572 [22:23:44] <dreamer> I was away from the computer for a few hours. came back to this
1573 [22:23:58] <dreamer> computer wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary
1574 [22:24:07] <jhutchins> I'd start taking a look at what else was running. I've seen a bitcoin miner that ran underneath the browser to mask the load.
1575 [22:24:29] <dreamer> htop didn't show anything out of the ordinary
1576 [22:24:30] <jhutchins> dreamer: That kind of behavior sounds thermal.
1577 [22:24:36] <dreamer> thermal?
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1579 [22:25:01] <jhutchins> dreamer: Thermal issues change over time, unlike digital issues.
1580 [22:25:16] <dreamer> maybe, this machine is less than a year old
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1582 [22:25:32] <dreamer> and temperatures are always very nominal
1583 [22:25:53] <jhutchins> dreamer: When was the last time you cleaned it out? Re-seated cards, chips, and cables?
1584 [22:26:01] <dreamer> system temps are between 15 and 30 degrees C
1585 [22:26:21] <dreamer> gpu temp no clue, because I can't use the gpu atm
1586 [22:26:41] <dreamer> but usually like 40-45 degrees
1587 [22:27:05] <dreamer> (I remember checking this morning, when it also happened during team meeting)
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1589 [22:27:14] <dreamer> again: this doesn't happen when I play video games for hours on end
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1591 [22:27:38] <dreamer> greycat: mja, maybe I should try bpo kernel and see if they play better together eh? :#
1592 [22:27:47] <jhutchins> dreamer: Just to be thorough, what DE?
1593 [22:27:56] <dreamer> none
1594 [22:28:00] <dreamer> I use fluxbox
1595 [22:28:14] <dreamer> so no compositing stuff going on
1596 [22:28:22] <Delta706> I just plugged in a usb stick. Is there a command I can use to list all available usb devices?
1597 [22:28:26] <greycat> I'm not an nvidia guy, but jelly and others have said that you want the kernel, X driver, and mesa(??) components to be in sync.
1598 [22:28:29] <dreamer> Delta706: lsusb
1599 [22:29:12] <Delta706> okay, hold on a moment while I run "lsusb"
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1601 [22:29:17] <dreamer> greycat: makes sense I guess
1602 [22:29:32] * dreamer fire up laptop to get some sort of browser nearby
1603 [22:29:44] <jhutchins> Delta706: You should also see something near the end of dmesg.
1604 [22:30:10] <Delta706> okay I see the device. It is a DataTraveller
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1606 [22:30:41] <tomreyn> does it take all your data and travel abroad then?
1607 [22:31:09] <Delta706> lol tomreyn
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1620 [22:38:42] <Delta706> okay, I can see the device which appears in the output of lsusb
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1623 [22:39:37] <Delta706> now, what command can I use to format the device and put a filing system on it
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1626 [22:40:30] <petn-randall> Delta706: Most comfortable way is to use gparted.
1627 [22:40:51] <Delta706> so I need to use a partition tool, then?
1628 [22:41:46] <Delta706> okay I will see if gparted works for me
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1630 [22:42:17] <jhutchins> It probably already has a partition on it.
1631 [22:42:23] <petn-randall> Delta706: You can also do it all via command line, but you'll have to read up on a few tools.
1632 [22:42:48] <Delta706> okay, I will first need to install gparted command
1633 [22:42:53] <jhutchins> I thought it was common to just use the raw device without a partition...
1634 [22:43:04] <dreamer> jhutchins: back to my previous situation (bpo nvidia module)
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1636 [22:43:21] <jhutchins> dreamer: With bpo kernel?
1637 [22:43:29] <dreamer> no, not right now
1638 [22:43:32] <dreamer> but probably should?
1639 [22:43:36] <jhutchins> Yes.
1640 [22:44:28] <dreamer> linux-image-5.6.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 or something?
1641 [22:44:43] <dreamer> (looks to be the latest one)
1642 [22:45:05] <dreamer> and then the headers to go with it I assume
1643 [22:46:06] <dreamer> er: Error! The dkms.conf for this module includes a BUILD_EXCLUSIVE directive
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1645 [22:46:50] <dreamer> (doesn't say which module)
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1647 [22:49:09] <Delta706> okay so lsusb is providing info the device
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1649 [22:50:46] <dreamer> ok, lets see how this bpo kernel will hold up
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1657 [22:56:12] <Delta706> okay parted is now complaining about the missing partition table
1658 [22:56:47] <Delta706> Is this just empty complaining?
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1661 [22:58:03] <Delta706> I think it must be. So now I am going to try to get "parted" to create a file system
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1664 [22:59:36] <tomreyn> you shouldn't, it's really just trying to be a partitioning tool nowadays
1665 [22:59:47] <greycat> parted doesn't create file systems. it creates partition tables, and partitions.
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1667 [23:00:26] <Delta706> well it is also complaining about creating a partition
1668 [23:01:14] <greycat> Did you create a partition table (disk label) first?
1669 [23:01:21] <Delta706> Error: The device /dev/bus/usb/006/003 is so small that it cannot
1670 [23:01:22] <Delta706> possibly store a file system or partition table. Perhaps you selected
1671 [23:01:30] <Delta706> the wrong device?
1672 [23:02:31] <Delta706> I wonder if I should just mount the device somehow
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1674 [23:03:22] <Delta706> or I could just treat the usb device as a single file
1675 [23:03:51] <greycat> that does not sound like a disk device to me
1676 [23:04:08] <greycat> if it's a USB disk, it should eventually show up as /dev/sdb or /dev/sdc or something
1677 [23:04:28] <Delta706> it is a thumb drive
1678 [23:04:43] <tomreyn> also in /dev/disk/by-id/
1679 [23:04:48] <greycat> so, you plugged it in, and waited a few seconds, and you ran "dmesg | tail", and the kernel said...?
1680 [23:05:00] <petn-randall> Delta706: Is there a reason you're not using gparted as recommended?
1681 [23:05:30] <Delta706> I tried gparted and it did not like the device
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1683 [23:05:43] <greycat> That's two votes against whatever random device you gave it.
1684 [23:05:51] <greycat> Maybe you should find out what the correct device is.
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1686 [23:06:09] <b1ack0p> hi
1687 [23:06:13] <Delta706> I did not give it a random device
1688 [23:06:20] <b1ack0p> where can i find old versions of debian?
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1690 [23:06:32] <Delta706> the device comes from lsusb output
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1692 [23:08:10] <nkuttler> !tell b1ack0p about archive
1693 [23:08:10] <annadane> !tell b1ack0p about snapshots
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1695 [23:09:13] <annadane> oops.
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1697 [23:09:48] <annadane> (oops as in nkuttler is more correct, not oops @ the identical factoid calling)
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1704 [23:11:52] <annadane> s/identical/simultaneous
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1714 [23:18:05] <Delta706> okay I have run gparted with the device indicated by dmesg output. it seems to have a fat32 file system already
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1721 [23:21:30] <jhutchins> Delta706: THat is the usual case.
1722 [23:21:51] <jhutchins> Delta706: So you should mount it, or let your file manager mount it.
1723 [23:22:28] <jhutchins> Delta706: If you leave it as fat32 both Linux and Windows can use it.
1724 [23:22:31] <Delta706> great stuff. I have it working now
1725 [23:22:48] <Delta706> thanks for the help
1726 [23:23:42] <Delta706> I managed to write a cat picture to the drive
1727 [23:23:56] <Delta706> so my "hello world" test works
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1751 [23:42:33] <gpunk> hi! need an opinion, I used to use snort in the earlies 2000' , now I see suricata , anyone has a word on that ?
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1753 [23:45:50] <jhutchins> gpunk: What are you trying to do? Not everybody knows what those programs are.
1754 [23:46:03] <gpunk> ok, my bad
1755 [23:47:29] <gpunk> I want harvest and display (web ui) trafic data, my server is under constant attack for many days now, bac in the day we had snoft/snaft combination if I remember
1756 [23:47:45] <gpunk> and I saw suricata in my apt search output
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1758 [23:47:55] <gpunk> so i looked on the web ... looks different
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