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25 [00:20:29] <Ede|Popede> ws2k3: or watch
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31 [00:26:44] <Ede|Popede> $ while $cmd; do : ; done
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33 [00:27:06] <Ede|Popede> or the other way round
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35 [00:27:50] <srged> my usb stick doesnt show up unless i manually mount it. how do i fi it?
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38 [00:31:01] <Ede|Popede> srged: in the desktop? at least on xfce it's in the Advanced tahb of File Manager Preferences, other DEs should have something similar.
39 [00:31:30] <Ede|Popede> !automount
40 [00:31:31] <dpkg> If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <kde automount>, <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <usbmount>, <pmount> or <halevt>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>.
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43 [00:35:11] <srged> Ede|Popede: im running lde
44 [00:35:14] <srged> lxde
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49 [00:39:48] <srged> Ede|Popede: maybe is a format it differently ?\
50 [00:40:22] <srged> Ede|Popede: maybe if i format it differently, maybe will work and auto mount ?
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56 [00:50:55] <MESSIAH> Hi
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59 [00:52:08] <tds> MESSIAH: hello
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61 [00:52:46] <MESSIAH> Hi I have problem with apache2 redirection from http to https
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64 [00:55:00] <tds> MESSIAH: you'll need to provide a little more info than that... :)
65 [00:55:28] <MESSIAH> tds OK. What information do you need?
66 [00:56:54] <tds> some details of the actual problem, what your config looks like, etc
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69 [00:58:20] <MESSIAH> I set up few VHosts all working fine just first one don't work normally. When I type replaced-url
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71 [00:59:11] <MESSIAH> I'm using Redirect permanent / replaced-url
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76 [01:00:25] <tds> ok, that should work fine - what does `apache2ctl -S` output?
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80 [01:01:37] <MESSIAH> replaced-url
81 [01:02:05] <alexrelis> Hey guys, so I'm on replaced-url
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83 [01:02:56] <tds> MESSIAH: that doesn't list my.website as a vhost
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85 [01:03:21] <tds> so it'd just match the my.site vhost, and presumably redirect to replaced-url
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87 [01:04:50] <MESSIAH> tds I changed real hostname
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90 [01:05:14] <annadane> alexrelis, 1) yeah, this is a problem i assume they've been informed about 2) FWIW those forums are not official
91 [01:05:22] <annadane> they're not affiliated with the debian project
92 [01:05:37] <tds> well if you're editing the output, there's not a great deal i can do to understand it, sorry
93 [01:05:45] <annadane> we don't really have official forums but salsa.debian.org does have a bunch of stuff
94 [01:06:05] <annadane> we do have mailing lists though :)
95 [01:06:09] <annadane> lists.debian.org
96 [01:06:37] <MESSIAH> tds Here's correct output replaced-url
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98 [01:06:43] <alexrelis> annadane: Thanks. I had no idea they weren't official. Guess I'll stick with Salsa.
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103 [01:08:17] <tds> MESSIAH: you have the kupui.pl vhost defined twice
104 [01:08:46] <tds> replaced-url
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107 [01:09:18] <MESSIAH> 000-default config it's default values I didn't change nothing in this file
108 [01:10:33] <tds> MESSIAH: can you pastebin 000-default as well?
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111 [01:11:19] <MESSIAH> tds DOne - replaced-url
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114 [01:12:24] <tds> ok - well if you're not using that vhost, just get rid of it entirely
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124 [01:16:47] <MESSIAH> tds What about access to server apps? I have PhpMyAdmin etc and now I have access by IP if I disable or delete 000-default then I lost access by IP all apps will be available on first default VHost
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128 [01:17:51] <tds> MESSIAH: do you not want to access those things over https anyway?
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133 [01:19:03] <MESSIAH> @tds Yes I prefer it that way but I don't want mix them with shop hostname
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135 [01:19:36] <MESSIAH> Can I set hostname (subdomain) given from my host provider?
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145 [01:29:28] <foul_owl> I'm having some problems with my display flickering after a reboot. nvidia card, proprietary driver. Everything was working fine for 2+ years on Debian 8, and 6+ months on Debian 10. Made no changes besides rebooting
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152 [01:33:21] <sney> foul_owl: if you truly made no software changes (no kernel/video driver etc updates particularly) then that sounds like it's probably hardware. hdmi cable going bad maybe, or a loose connection somewhere
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158 [01:37:15] <alexrelis> foul_owl: Did you retrieve the Nvidia drivers from Debian's repos, or from Nvidia's website? Also, what OpenGL version are you using for your compositor? On KDE I believe, selecting an OpenGL version that doesn't work best with your hardware will cause screen tearing.
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164 [01:42:02] <foul_owl> Drivers are from debian's repos
165 [01:42:32] <foul_owl> It's very suspicious to me that this error started happening after a reboot, after 30 day uptime
166 [01:43:50] <foul_owl> I check the opengl version by going to "nvidia-settings" "graphics information" "openGL" ?
167 [01:44:09] <foul_owl> If that is correct, then 4.6.0
168 [01:44:11] <sney> look at your apt history for those 30 days. there might have been an update from that time that didn't actually get loaded until you rebooted, if it was a smaller library and the older one just stayed in memory the whole time
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170 [01:44:39] <foul_owl> Ahh good idea, thank you
171 [01:44:46] <foul_owl> I did notice two things also
172 [01:45:00] <foul_owl> 1. If I turn my refresh rate down to 30 hz, the issue goes away
173 [01:45:14] <foul_owl> Obviously very undesireable but it's a workaround for now
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175 [01:45:40] <sney> that's got me thinking the cable again
176 [01:45:45] <foul_owl> I noticed also that the screen tearing / flickering can be reproduced by dragging my terminal emulator to a certain location
177 [01:46:05] <foul_owl> So I can trigger it purely in x.org...
178 [01:46:19] <foul_owl> That's what makes me think it's a debian issue, not a hardware issue
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181 [01:47:03] <foul_owl> If a certain window is moved to certain screen coordinates...crazy bug imo
182 [01:49:29] <foul_owl> And conversly, if I move the window away from the "bad area" the flickering doesn't happen
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184 [01:49:46] <foul_owl> Keep in mind also that my entire screen is in use, and no other window can trigger this bug
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186 [01:49:59] <foul_owl> Some sort of bug with x.org memory?
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208 [02:08:25] <kreyren> What is the debian-way to get wine-staging? replaced-url
209 [02:09:42] <sney> wine-staging is only distributed by wine upstream, so follow their instructions. replaced-url
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213 [02:13:17] * annadane hopes this is debian, not kreyrenfrankenwtfisthisshitdebian
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216 [02:14:12] <petn-randall> annadane: As long as kreyren doesn't ask for support for their Frankendebian, they're fine.
217 [02:15:10] <kreyren> annadane, my franken ain't no shit! :c
218 [02:15:12] <kreyren> sney, thanks
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251 [03:09:57] <Phase_> #debian I disabled PING REPLIES and it disabled them for IPV4 but not for IPV6 what can I do?
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266 [03:24:18] <luuuciano> wich is the most usual sans serif font used at linux?
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270 [03:27:03] <Bugz000> hey i have a problem where the default route keeps changing, i've set it all to manual etc etc no matter what i do i keeps switching back to another default route and it's highly frustrating
271 [03:27:07] <Bugz000> why won't it just stay where i put it
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274 [03:27:49] <annadane> Bugz000, you haven't specified what file you edited
275 [03:28:02] <Bugz000> i'm using the UI, debian 10 buster
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277 [03:28:18] <Bugz000> network section of settings, editing the "wired" connection
278 [03:28:22] <annadane> network-manager, i guess
279 [03:28:37] <Bugz000> though i'm happy to use CLi if that's what's required
280 [03:28:37] <annadane> i think that's what gnome uses which i assume you're using if you didn't specify
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282 [03:28:54] <Bugz000> it's whatever comes pre-packaged with debian 10, i would assume gnome yes
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287 [03:32:26] <Bugz000> as i said, if you prefer using the CLi i can use that too
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291 [03:34:06] <annadane> Bugz000, not specifically, no; just trying to level-1-help-desk trying to identify the problem by seeing what you've already done
292 [03:34:19] <annadane> i'm an idiot and can't really help you, someone else may be able to
293 [03:34:35] <annadane> i suspect i've heard the answer to this before but i'd rather someone who *knows*, answer.
294 [03:34:43] <Bugz000> fire away because i'm lost
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296 [03:35:12] <Bugz000> basically i want default route to go 192.168.2.254
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298 [03:35:35] <Bugz000> when i disconnect and reconnect, it states, 192.168.2.254 as default route, but only for a second or so
299 [03:35:50] <Bugz000> then it will revert to 192.168.1.254
300 [03:35:55] <Bugz000> and break many things by doing that
301 [03:36:04] <Bugz000> everything in the network settings is set to manual
302 [03:36:47] <Bugz000> i told it specifically what routes i want, the routes are manual, what IP and gateway for the server to use, that's manual, and what DNS to use, that's manual
303 [03:37:16] <Bugz000> and it just goes ahead and "FiXeS" it itself i figure because it sees it as a more direct route...
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305 [03:37:31] <Bugz000> do i really need to resolve 192.168.1.254 to localhost in the damn host file
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325 [03:49:50] <Bugz000> i think i fixed it
326 [03:49:52] <Bugz000> route add default gw 192.168.2.254 enp1s0
327 [03:50:11] <Bugz000> i just put that in a cron job every 5 seconds aswell so if it ever decides to pull that crap with me again it'll get reset pretty fast
328 [03:50:34] <annadane> i'm just trying to remember what can override user settings
329 [03:50:46] <annadane> it's been talked about before on #debian i just can't remember
330 [03:50:57] <Bugz000> it's still doingi t
331 [03:51:01] <Bugz000> HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE
332 [03:51:39] <annadane> one sec
333 [03:51:55] <Bugz000> i am honestly so confused
334 [03:52:30] <Bugz000> i have set everything to manual, i have written files, i have even set a damn cron job and it's STILL resetting to that damn gateway why won't it just stay as i set it
335 [03:52:49] <Bugz000> each time it shifts it breaks every service my server provides
336 [03:53:27] <annadane> nope, no ideas, sorry. i was going to suggest (based on pure, hair-brained random remembering) chattr +i on /etc/network/interfaces but per replaced-url
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338 [03:54:05] <Bugz000> i appreciate the help regardless, it seems to have stopped for now but you bet anything happens in my network, a device connects to wifi or anything it's going to shift over and break everything again
339 [03:54:30] <annadane> (you may want to just skim the wiki page in case you stumble on a solution anyway)
340 [03:54:40] * annadane really has to learn networking
341 [03:54:54] <Bugz000> networking is great so long as devices stay where you put them
342 [03:54:56] <Bugz000> :D
343 [03:55:48] <annadane> you *can* tell network-manager to use e/n/i and then i suppose chattr +i would be a hack
344 [03:55:53] <annadane> i don't know the proper solution
345 [03:56:13] <Bugz000> evict the debian gremlins
346 [03:56:28] <annadane> but the proper solution may involve digging whereas the hack may 'just work' as long as you remember you've done it
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348 [03:57:33] <annadane> Bugz000, if you come back tomorrow morning/afternoon (meaning eastern time) it's a monday so more folks will be around
349 [03:57:38] <annadane> or ask lists.debian.org
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355 [04:01:38] <annadane> (lurking is also a great way to have people answer your question though, don't just leave :P)
356 [04:02:04] <Bugz000> i may leave if this damn thing switches again
357 [04:02:09] <Bugz000> but that's beyond my control rofl
358 [04:02:36] <Bugz000> it looks relatively stable now
359 [04:02:42] <Bugz000> time will tell...
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361 [04:03:05] <Bugz000> i've dealt with this problem for months, usually just switching it once after boot is enough but just now it put up a fight
362 [04:03:09] <Bugz000> it was NOT staying
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373 [04:09:53] <Bugz000> annadane what is lists.debian?
374 [04:10:25] <annadane> Bugz000, lists.debian.org, the mailing lists
375 [04:10:41] <Bugz000> yeah i don't see how to ask a question on here, just logs from as far back as 1999!
376 [04:10:42] <Bugz000> hahah
377 [04:10:43] <annadane> find one that's most appropriate to you - many people use debian-user - and ask and you may get a reply
378 [04:10:57] <annadane> yeah, find the email and send an email using an email account
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380 [04:12:12] <Bugz000> wow there is a lot here
381 [04:12:18] <Bugz000> this is the main debian support route?
382 [04:12:36] <annadane> not necessarily but typically people use either irc or the mailing list
383 [04:13:09] <annadane> no one else seems to really be here now so it's up to you, worth a shot to fire off an email
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391 [04:21:28] <annadane> i should spend more time lurking on there too...
392 [04:21:36] <annadane> lot of good info
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395 [04:24:42] <redbeard72> I need a live boot disk for stretch. I found the netinst CD images here, replaced-url
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397 [04:26:48] <sney> redbeard72: replaced-url
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399 [04:28:15] <jmcnaught> Bugz000: have you found anything in the logs related to your problem?
400 [04:28:40] <Bugz000> what logs should i be looking at?
401 [04:29:08] <jmcnaught> I would use journalctl, but you can also look at /var/log/syslog to start
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404 [04:30:53] <Bugz000> replaced-url
405 [04:30:57] <Bugz000> there's something here
406 [04:31:16] <redbeard72> sney, thanks
407 [04:31:51] <sney> np
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409 [04:32:47] <jmcnaught> Bugz000: did you install dhcpcd? Is this Raspbian by chance?
410 [04:33:04] <Bugz000> nope, debian 10 buster
411 [04:33:07] <Bugz000> at least i dont think i did...
412 [04:33:19] <Bugz000> replaced-url
413 [04:33:20] <Bugz000> interesting
414 [04:33:30] <Bugz000> so let's assume it is installed
415 [04:33:46] <Bugz000> puzzling as to how it got on there, probably come packaged with some other networking stuff i installed tbh
416 [04:34:31] <jmcnaught> Bugz000: "systemctl status dhcpcd" can show you what the service is doing right now. "aptitude why dhcpcd5" might tell you why it's installed.
417 [04:34:33] <Bugz000> well actually this is the dhcp server for my network
418 [04:34:49] <Bugz000> replaced-url
419 [04:34:58] <Bugz000> well look at that
420 [04:35:08] <Bugz000> look at my cron commmand fighting with it
421 [04:35:38] <jmcnaught> Yeah that cron job was a bad idea, it would just be in a constant race with whatever was causing the problem.
422 [04:35:50] <annadane> i'd probably comment out the cron entry and restart the connection so you can narrow down what caused the issues in the first place
423 [04:35:56] <Bugz000> it was a very dirty bandaid, it's just to keep me connected for now
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425 [04:36:06] <annadane> ah, well, unless it results in immediate disconnect
426 [04:36:23] <Bugz000> i lose connection with my DNS resolver
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428 [04:36:37] <Bugz000> and quickly many services run to their TTL and request new IP and well
429 [04:36:46] <Bugz000> it's bad news for many things i run if that happens lol
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431 [04:37:58] <Bugz000> the thing is this server shouldn't be requesting anything from a dhcp
432 [04:38:05] <Bugz000> it should be providing dhcp service to others but that's it
433 [04:38:28] <Bugz000> is there a config file for this
434 [04:38:32] <jmcnaught> dhcpcd is not a server, it's a DHCP client
435 [04:38:59] <Bugz000> oh well then it can be disabled surely
436 [04:39:20] <Bugz000> i set all my adresses manually
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438 [04:39:48] <Bugz000> i guess dhcpcd has better ideas that disagree with my own haha
439 [04:39:51] <jmcnaught> "systemctl --now disable dhcpcd.service" should stop and disable it, and like I said "aptitude why dhcpcd5" might tell you why it is installed.
440 [04:40:08] <Bugz000> oh let me try that first yah
441 [04:40:33] <Bugz000> -bash: aptitude: command not found
442 [04:40:35] <Bugz000> huh
443 [04:40:44] <Bugz000> i did spell it right?
444 [04:40:54] <sney> aptitude isn't installed by default anymore
445 [04:40:55] <jmcnaught> 'apt install aptitude'
446 [04:41:11] <Bugz000> ah righto
447 [04:41:34] <Bugz000> i am getting some proper rack servers soon so will be starting fresh
448 [04:41:41] <jmcnaught> Sorry I probably should have mentioned that, I forget it's not default anymore.
449 [04:41:46] <Bugz000> this server is a cumulative mess of 3 years of me learning how2linux
450 [04:42:01] <Bugz000> i'm sure you can imagine what kind of environment that creates
451 [04:42:36] <oerheks> apt now has the same or more benefits like aptitude over apt-get
452 [04:42:39] <Bugz000> i ifupdown Recommends isc-dhcp-client | dhcp-client
453 [04:42:39] <Bugz000> i dhcpcd5 Provides dhcp-client
454 [04:43:14] <Bugz000> i have no idea what ifupdown is
455 [04:43:55] <jmcnaught> Bugz000: it looks like dhcpcd5 was installed manually at some point.
456 [04:44:27] <Bugz000> i honestly don't recall doing this but it's entirely possible
457 [04:44:31] <Bugz000> i won't rule it out by any means rofl
458 [04:45:19] <jmcnaught> Bugz000: it is missing the 'A' flag for an automatically installed package. If it has been pulled in as a dependency the line would start with 'i A dhcpcd5 Provides…"
459 [04:45:25] <Bugz000> this is the first i heard of it but my early days of linux were comprised of a lot of copy/paste from techadvisor guides
460 [04:45:50] <Bugz000> which as i learned the hard way is a quick road to disaster
461 [04:45:53] <Bugz000> hahahha
462 [04:46:28] <Bugz000> these days i always go to the package developer source for the install/usage guides, always more up to date etc etc but yah
463 [04:46:41] <Bugz000> so i figure it's okay to uninstall this?
464 [04:47:29] <jmcnaught> Just make sure to read what else it wants to remove along with it, in case it wants to remove important stuff.
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466 [04:48:42] <Bugz000> The following packages will be REMOVED:
467 [04:48:43] <Bugz000> dhcpcd5*
468 [04:48:49] <Bugz000> just seems to be the one
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470 [04:49:29] <Bugz000> cool, i've disabled the cron job now
471 [04:50:05] <jmcnaught> Nice.
472 [04:50:15] <Bugz000> yup, i reset the connection on the server (which previously invoked it to switch defaults) and it's not changing :D
473 [04:50:18] <Bugz000> it's fixed!
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475 [04:50:35] <Bugz000> thankyou <3
476 [04:50:41] <jmcnaught> You're welcome.
477 [04:50:48] <annadane> !beer jmcnaught
478 [04:50:48] * dpkg pulls out an exquisite Batch 50 GFAR for jmcnaught
479 [04:51:10] <Bugz000> loop 50 {
480 [04:51:11] <Bugz000> !beer jmcnaught
481 [04:51:11] * dpkg pulls out an excellent Jever for jmcnaught
482 [04:51:23] <Bugz000> :D
483 [04:51:33] <Bugz000> you will be crawling home tonight
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515 [05:48:29] <tyzef> Hi guys ! How are you today?
516 [05:49:01] <tyzef> Here I am stuck with that: replaced-url
517 [05:50:18] <tyzef> I am on Buster, using kernel 5.6 from backport, due to my computer is new and not fully supported
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544 [06:28:03] <Wulf> Typhon: Hi. There's a link in your screen shot. Did you have a look at it?
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549 [06:37:34] <raub> So I setup the IP for eth0 using /etc/network/interfaces.d/eth0 but I noticed that that interface is listing 2 IPs (the static one I assinged and a dhcp one).
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552 [06:43:59] <raub> I noticed it is running dhcpcd.service. DOes that mean it is cheerfully running it in parallel with the static IP I created?
553 [06:44:25] <Wulf> raub: that's a dhcp server.
554 [06:44:39] <Wulf> or... maybe not
555 [06:44:46] <Wulf> sorry, it's a dhcp client
556 [06:45:00] <Wulf> raub: so, yes.
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567 [07:10:58] <ArmedGunman> ALLAH AKBAR
568 [07:11:00] <ArmedGunman> ALLAH AKBAR
569 [07:11:05] <ArmedGunman> ALLAH AKBAR
570 [07:11:23] <ArmedGunman> If you ban me, you're an islamophobic piece of shit
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722 [10:11:45] <awal1> how can i open pdf documents like this one replaced-url
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724 [10:12:15] <awal1> firefox, chrom/chromium, evince, sakura, pdftk ... won't
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726 [10:12:55] <awal1> Adobe on window$s it opens it
727 [10:13:07] <this_paradis> okular perhaps will work
728 [10:13:24] <awal1> any tip, apart installing official adobe or wine?
729 [10:14:18] <awal1> okular is like evince, kde pdf reader, probably it won't
730 [10:14:21] <awal1> hmmm
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740 [10:31:48] <ksk> I would rather write them, if all these readers are unable to open the PDF canada.ca is doing it wrong..
741 [10:32:25] <ksk> The link tells me: "The document you are trying to load requires Adobe Reader 8 or higher" in Browser.
742 [10:32:40] <ksk> afaik such a document would violate EU laws, but you are in canada, of yoursse ;)
743 [10:33:03] <ksk> like, I would expect the EU to not publish a PDF that can only be displayed by adobe tools.
744 [10:33:15] <diogenes_> awal1, replaced-url
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746 [10:33:49] <diogenes_> this app can open any PDFs ^^^^
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748 [10:34:37] <nkuttler> awal1: i'd assume it's malware
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751 [10:36:37] <diogenes_> i know gov of Canada uses those proprietary crap they even got so far that you nees ms silverlight in order to open some web pages.
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755 [10:39:01] <alexrelis> Hmm... I thought pdf was a libre format for years now. What's the deal?
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758 [10:39:54] <alexrelis> I was gonna say to use LibreOffice Draw, but it seems like that doesn't properly open the file either.
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760 [10:40:13] <awal1> diogenes_, thank you . i will check that link :)
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762 [10:40:51] <awal1> nkuttler, everything is possible with propietary software :D
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768 [10:50:53] <alexrelis> awal1: GAAAHHHHHH!! HOW DARE YOU!?
769 [10:52:11] <awal1> alexrelis, hi
770 [10:52:43] <awal1> trolling here = ass kicking
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786 [11:03:43] <alexrelis> awal1: Phew, I'm glad it was just a troll. You almost had me there.
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790 [11:05:07] <awal1> !ops alexrelis tolling
791 [11:05:08] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: awal1 complains about a problem (see above)
792 [11:05:18] <awal1> trolling
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810 [11:38:52] <dmr104> hello.I have got debian on android. can I get a GUI? Where do I learn more?
811 [11:39:45] <ksk> dmr104: I suppose by looking at the app which brought debian to you - as far as I know its not an official debian release.
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813 [11:40:00] <Logg> last time I used "Debian" on android, it wasn't really fully implemented or stable. Didn't seem like there was X support.
814 [11:40:23] <Logg> was a couple years ago though.
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853 [12:17:31] <MESSIAH> Hi
854 [12:17:44] <MESSIAH> I have problem with SSH
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860 [12:20:25] <Logg> !ask
861 [12:20:25] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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870 [12:23:20] <alexrelis[m]> MESSIAH: What seems to be the problem?
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875 [12:25:47] <MESSIAH> alexrelis[m] I add login Notification using mail system. I add code "echo 'NOTIFICATION - Access SSH on ROOT from `hostname` at:' `date` `who` | mail -s "NOTIFICATION - Connection on ROOT via SSH from: `who | cut -d"(" -f2 | cut -d")" -f1`" " to root folder to file .bashrc
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877 [12:27:13] <MESSIAH> When I use PHPStorm to login at SFTP then I see message about wrong hostname (is not valid) but when I delete notification from .bashrc then warning message in PHPStorm not showing
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882 [12:33:43] <ksk> Moonspell: still having problems parsind your actual problem. If you want to log users that login to your system, I would rather recommend hooking into PAM or so - much more stable (like, what happens if a user has a shell that is not bash, or uses "ssh -t" etc pp)
883 [12:33:50] <ksk> sorry, wrong highlighting.
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892 [12:40:08] <MESSIAH> ksk I need only notification email with IP and what time has been user logged. Do you have stable and simple solution for this case?
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894 [12:40:32] <ueb> Hello
895 [12:40:48] <ueb> I'm trying to downlaod Debian ISO
896 [12:41:03] <ueb> but the download never starts
897 [12:41:08] <ueb> replaced-url
898 [12:41:40] <ksk> MESSIAH: google is your friend: replaced-url
899 [12:41:44] <ksk> not sure about simple though.
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901 [12:42:39] <ksk> ueb: can confirm, does not work over here, either.
902 [12:42:45] <MESSIAH> ksk thank you bro
903 [12:43:16] <ueb> is there any mirror?
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908 [12:49:40] <ksk> eh, to "Problems with Debian infrastructure" you have to the "cdimage.debian.org" pseudopackage :/
909 [12:49:46] <ksk> *to report
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919 [12:53:56] <Kari> yo
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921 [12:55:39] <ksk> ueb: I did open a bugreport, maybe someone will re-enable the service shortly :)
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923 [12:55:55] <ueb> ksk thanks :)
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927 [12:56:40] <McFloss> I had the same problem... I used a mirror: replaced-url
928 [12:57:25] <Kari> heya folks
929 [12:57:29] <ueb> is it a secure and safe mirror?
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931 [12:58:35] <McFloss> it is listen in Debian web site
932 [12:58:51] <McFloss> replaced-url
933 [12:58:58] <McFloss> sorry
934 [12:59:05] <McFloss> replaced-url
935 [12:59:07] <McFloss> here
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937 [13:00:31] <Kari> anyone got a sec to answer a quick Q?
938 [13:01:16] <ksk> !ask
939 [13:01:16] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
940 [13:01:36] <Kari> didn't wanna barge in to someone elses queston time lol, thanks
941 [13:02:02] <Kari> i'm currently running Kali, which is debian based, and since the kali room is pretty quiet, thought i'd come try my luck here
942 [13:02:53] <ueb> McFloss thanks :)
943 [13:03:08] <ksk> !kali
944 [13:03:09] <dpkg> Kali Linux replaced-url
945 [13:03:44] <ksk> Kari: As long as its not a really basic question (how do I use `ls') we cannot help you with Kali.
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949 [13:05:14] <Kari> Using the "apt update" command, shows "3 not fully installed or removed", which are "linux-headers-5.6.0-kali2-amd64" "linux-headers-5.6.0-kali2-amd64" and "linux-image-amd64", there's the same stuff installed for kali1-amd64 etc, my question is probably somewhat universal
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953 [13:07:00] <Kari> what's throwing me tho, is it's complaining about the file /var/lib/dkms/rtl8812au/5.2.20/source/dkms.conf doesn't exist, i use realtek-rtl88xxau, not specifically 8812, so would i even have this file anyway?
954 [13:07:34] <Kari> the dpkg output is showing dependancy issues for the aforementioned 3 files, and dpkg --configure -a doesn't fix it
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956 [13:10:09] <banshi> hello all
957 [13:10:31] <Kari> yo
958 [13:10:38] <towo^work> Kari, this is #debian, not #kali
959 [13:10:39] <ksk> Kari: sorry, totally kali specific, Im afraid you will have to contact the kali support.
960 [13:11:02] <banshi> what is going on? How do I fix this? : replaced-url
961 [13:11:14] <MESSIAH> ksk I do all from tutorial and now I have error "/etc/pam.scripts/ssh_alert.sh failed: exit code 2"
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963 [13:11:31] <towo^work> banshi, ask ubuntu, this is #debian
964 [13:11:54] <banshi> oops
965 [13:11:55] <banshi> yep
966 [13:11:57] <banshi> sorry
967 [13:12:08] <ksk> MESSIAH: maybe call it with "-x" and write the debug output somewhere.
968 [13:12:19] <ksk> or add debug output in general.
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972 [13:14:04] <McFloss> Kari: what is the output of apt-get -f install?
973 [13:14:35] <MESSIAH> ksk You mean this: "session required pam_exec.so /etc/pam.scripts/ssh_alert.sh -x"
974 [13:15:01] <ksk> rather "session required pam_exec.so bash -x /etc/pam.scripts/ssh_alert.sh "
975 [13:15:20] <ksk> or, rather: "session required pam_exec.so bash -x /etc/pam.scripts/ssh_alert.sh &>/tmp/login.log"
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977 [13:15:49] <ksk> just guessing, please make sure you do not shut yourself out from that box.
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990 [13:23:55] <Kari> okay, thanks guys
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992 [13:25:15] <MESSIAH> ksk This make unable to login: 'session required pam_exec.so '
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1074 [15:19:58] <temp80009> when I type "/names #debian" I get nothing. When I type "/who" I get to much. How do I find the names of bots on #debian?
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1078 [15:24:46] <somiaj> The two bots for users are dpkg (factoids about debian) and judd (can return debian package information)
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1081 [15:28:19] <temp80009> is there a bot to ask where to find FAQ on Debian?
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1083 [15:29:45] <dvs> !faq
1084 [15:29:45] <dpkg> [faq] Frequently Asked Questions. The #debian FAQ is at replaced-url
1085 [15:30:26] <temp80009> thanks
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1088 [15:31:40] <choice> Hello
1089 [15:32:06] <choice> The Gnome terminal seems to do word-wrap by default. Is it possible to turn that off?
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1092 [15:33:23] <choice> Ah no, it is vim
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1094 [15:35:31] <LtL> choice: :set linebreak
1095 [15:36:14] <LtL> choice: if i recall, that will work.
1096 [15:36:39] <choice> LtL: Does nothing here
1097 [15:38:04] <LtL> choice: try :set nowrap
1098 [15:38:28] <choice> LtL: Then the line is not wrapped.
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1100 [15:39:04] <LtL> i thought that's what you want?
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1102 [15:41:05] <choice> I want it to wrap at the end of the terminal.
1103 [15:41:27] <choice> Figured it out: :set breakat=
1104 [15:41:47] <choice> That seems to tell vim "Break at whatever character is the last in the line" :)
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1106 [15:42:26] <choice> This has many benefits. For example that urls still work when going over the line end.
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1108 [15:42:32] <Rozha> hallo
1109 [15:43:00] <Rozha> hallo, need help, when i add user, doesnot add public_html , automaticly
1110 [15:44:35] <choice> Rozha: U a web dev?
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1112 [15:45:09] <Rozha> apache2 debian Debian 4.19.118-2
1113 [15:45:23] <Rozha> if i add public_html new user, it works
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1119 [15:46:26] <Rozha> but if i add new user doesnnot add public_html
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1131 [15:50:21] <n_1-c_k> Rozha, 'man adduser' and look for adduser.local.
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1207 [16:58:28] <udet> hi all
1208 [16:58:38] <udet> which package contains the boost generic image library?
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1214 [17:01:15] <ksk> ,info libboost-all-dev
1215 [17:01:16] <judd> Package libboost-all-dev (libdevel, optional) in buster/amd64: Boost C++ Libraries development files (ALL) (default version). Version: 1.67.0.1; Size: 3.9k; Installed: 10k; Homepage: replaced-url
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1217 [17:01:38] <ksk> udet: ^ (leave out -dev I suppose, if you just want the library)
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1222 [17:02:27] <udet> no, want the dev, but would prefer to not install everything
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1224 [17:02:40] <ksk> udet: then see: replaced-url
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1226 [17:03:09] <ksk> or replaced-url
1227 [17:03:32] <udet> ksk, yes, am already there, but what package contains GIL? or does anyone contain GIL?
1228 [17:03:52] <udet> I'm on parrot, so its debian testing
1229 [17:04:12] <annadane> !based on debian
1230 [17:04:12] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
1231 [17:04:48] <ksk> udet: sorry, no Idea.
1232 [17:05:26] <udet> annadane, parrot is pretty much just a snapshot of testing repos with some additional packages... as far as I know
1233 [17:05:44] <udet> ksk, np thanks
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1235 [17:06:42] <giaco> when is dkms triggered? On kernel upgrade, or on kernel-headers upgrade?
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1237 [17:08:16] <udet> giaco, dkms depends on linux-headers
1238 [17:08:32] <udet> so it should be triggered after linux-headers is upgraded
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1240 [17:09:25] <rickserrat> hi udet , what's GIL ?
1241 [17:09:36] <udet> rickserrat, generic image library
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1243 [17:10:07] <udet> seems to be some adobe stuff which found its way into boost...
1244 [17:10:40] <udet> but there would then for sure also be the licensing thing... I want to link it into some AGPL stuff
1245 [17:10:57] <udet> so I'm also thinking about libjpeg
1246 [17:11:06] <udet> just want to load images
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1248 [17:14:07] <giaco> udet: thanks!
1249 [17:14:17] <udet> giaco, ?
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1251 [17:14:23] <udet> ah yes
1252 [17:15:54] <giaco> :D
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1258 [17:18:38] <udet> how is that licensing thing anyway? iso nly linking against libs deployed with debian a guarantee to stay out of conflicts when writing agpl licensed software?
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1261 [17:20:00] <ksk> udet: is agpl in general compatible to GPL? (that is after all, what debian uses, no?)
1262 [17:21:55] <udet> ksk no, gpl is compatible with agpl but agpl is more restrictive
1263 [17:22:12] <udet> so linking gpl into agpl code is ok vice versa not
1264 [17:22:38] <udet> you also can relicense gpl as agpl
1265 [17:23:48] <udet> and yes I would think that debian contains only gpl compatible stuff and therefore also agpl compatible
1266 [17:24:38] <udet> the problem is the "more restrictive" thing probably there is some problem?
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1272 [17:30:58] <ksk> I see, thanks for explaining. I suspect you wont get much help on that in here though, maybe try asking a lawyer :X
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1275 [17:33:08] <rrn> Hi, I powered on a Dell PowerEdge R200 and went into the BIOS (so virtually zero load), yet the fan noise is ridiculously loud. Is the fan subsystem typically controlled by the OS by default, and if so, is it likely that Debian will support this subsystem?
1276 [17:34:23] <ksk> rrn: for normal computers yes, most likely. For a server it is kind of normal to be loud as hell, and I would suspect even at like 10% fan speed it wont get that much quieter..
1277 [17:34:45] <ksk> because these have builtin very small, very fast spinning fans.
1278 [17:35:08] <rrn> ksk: Hmm... I understand that it's a server, but it's virtually at 0 load, just running BIOS... And moreover I disabled two cores to save electricity...
1279 [17:35:53] <ksk> Did you close the case, and checked it sees itself as closed? there is a switch IIRC, and it turns fans to 100% if case is opened.
1280 [17:36:12] <rrn> ksk: yes, it is closed, and the intrusion detection switch does engage
1281 [17:37:02] <ksk> replaced-url
1282 [17:37:52] <rrn> ksk: Hmm you know I do run an existing server (that's in the desktop form factor, not rackmount), also Dell, as a workstation. At initial powerup, the noise is loud, but on any boot therafter it's pretty quiet, even during the BIOS phase of startup.
1283 [17:38:25] <ksk> rrn: I can tell you, its quite normal for dell servers :)
1284 [17:38:33] <ksk> or, for servers / rack mounts in general.
1285 [17:38:49] <rrn> ksk: Well it's also a Dell server...as in, an actual server (just not in the rackmount form factor).
1286 [17:39:14] <ksk> yeah, but as I said, that rack form factore dictates that you only use small fans..
1287 [17:39:23] <rrn> ahh, ok
1288 [17:39:44] <ksk> compare its diameters :)
1289 [17:40:07] <rrn> though still, this existing server is also somewhat loud intially, but thereafter it's quite acceptable (significantly louder than a consumer desktop, but I don't care, totally reasonable for me).
1290 [17:40:24] <rrn> but this new one...insanely-loud, even for me...
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1293 [17:41:12] <ksk> I can only repeat myself: expeted behaviour :P
1294 [17:41:15] <ksk> expected*
1295 [17:41:19] <rrn> Hmm IMPI would be a hassle... So it's likely that Debian won't slow down the fan(s)?
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1302 [17:44:22] <rrn> ksk: Ok then, it would have to go into an unmanned room then...I wanted to put it into an office as a fallback server, just in case something happens to the server room.
1303 [17:44:29] <teclo-> rrn: depend of the generation of the server
1304 [17:44:41] <rrn> teclo-: Dell PowerEdge R200
1305 [17:44:54] <ksk> ooold and end of life for a long time :)
1306 [17:44:58] <jhutchins> rrn: You do have the case closed?
1307 [17:45:13] <rrn> jhutchins: yes, yes, and the intrusion detection sensor is engaged
1308 [17:45:13] <ksk> I asked that already :D - Seems so.
1309 [17:45:30] <teclo-> rrn: forinstance HP Proliant DL380 G1 through G5: very very noisy, so had to put it in the basement. DL380G8: very silent, almost nothing
1310 [17:45:48] <teclo-> rrn: sorry never used Dell servers (but I have nothing against Dell servers ;) )
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1312 [17:45:57] <rrn> ksk: yes, I'll try to do everything to reduce its power consumption
1313 [17:46:00] <jhutchins> Dell does support Linux.
1314 [17:46:17] <jhutchins> There are some fan control programs available.
1315 [17:46:41] <jhutchins> I do remember the first time we fired up a 1U Dell with the lid off the case.
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1318 [17:47:03] <rrn> ksk: hopefully the idle power draw isn't high...otherwise, yes, it would be junk, unless it's used as a fallback server that starts up only when needed
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1322 [17:47:33] <rrn> ksk: otherwise, I see nothing wrong with older servers, I don't need the latest specifications
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1417 [19:16:57] <Casper26> Anyone help with transmission-daemon will save to /var/lib/transmission-daemon/downloads just fine but if i switch it to save anywhere else with mirrored permissions it gets permission denied?
1418 [19:17:35] <greycat> if it starts by a systemd unit, check whether the unit file has any restrictions... also, check whether it has an apparmor profile
1419 [19:18:13] <greycat> also make sure the user it runs as can actually open files in that directory, which means it needs +x perms on all the PARENT dirs, and +w and +x on the leaf directory
1420 [19:19:40] <sney> worksforme saving to an arbitrary zfs owned by the debian-transmission service account
1421 [19:20:24] <greycat> open a shell as the service's user and see if you can cd to the directory and touch a file there
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1446 [19:40:19] <Casper26> Thank you greycat the user shell has pointed out some permission issues upward in the path
1447 [19:41:42] <Casper26> i thought adding my user to the debian-transmission group would remedy that but it seems it hasn't changing the permissions now to test
1448 [19:41:58] <greycat> you need +x on every parent directory
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1461 [19:54:41] <Casper26> Thank you!! greycat it works now i was missing a +x on parent directory would have never thought to try the user shell and test write. I have worked on this 3 days lol
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1475 [20:15:52] <Rozha> hallo, need help, when i add user, doesnot add public_html , automaticly
1476 [20:15:59] <Rozha> apache2 debian Debian 4.19.118-2
1477 [20:16:03] <Rozha> if i add public_html new user, it works
1478 [20:16:14] <Rozha> but if i add new user doesnnot add public_html
1479 [20:16:47] <n_1-c_k> Rozha, 'man adduser' and look for adduser.local.
1480 [20:17:08] <Rozha> n_1-c_k can u explain ?
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1482 [20:19:20] <greycat> Rozha: mkdir /etc/skel/public_html
1483 [20:19:38] <Rozha> i know
1484 [20:20:00] <Rozha> but if i adduser, can i make it automate
1485 [20:20:35] <N0SSH> adduser --home /home/public_html
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1488 [20:22:54] <greycat> Rozha: mkdir /etc/skel/public_html
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1490 [20:23:24] <greycat> N0SSH: that is not what's desired. They want all new users to have a ~/public_html directory created for them.
1491 [20:23:43] <Rozha> greycat a want to adduser neme
1492 [20:24:05] <greycat> You want to do "adduser fred" and then adduser will create /home/fred/public_html for you, yes?
1493 [20:24:09] <Rozha> and he will have tith public_html
1494 [20:24:13] <greycat> Rozha: mkdir /etc/skel/public_html
1495 [20:24:23] <greycat> Third time. Next time is an /ignore.
1496 [20:24:49] <Rozha> greycat i make
1497 [20:24:54] <N0SSH> put directory in skel
1498 [20:25:33] <Rozha> greycat what next ?
1499 [20:25:40] <greycat> Now do your adduser.
1500 [20:25:51] <Rozha> greycat mom
1501 [20:25:55] <N0SSH> The /etc/skel directory contains files and directories that are automatically copied over to a new user's home directory when such user is created by the useradd program.
1502 [20:27:25] <Rozha> thanks
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1505 [20:28:23] <Rozha> greycat , hw add ld users, ? public_html
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1508 [20:28:29] <diogenes_> is adduser and useradd the same?
1509 [20:28:45] <Rozha> i hva old users,
1510 [20:29:00] <Rozha> or they can only add ,, mkdir
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1512 [20:30:09] <greycat> adduser is a friendly front-end wrapper that calls useradd with all the crazy arguments for you
1513 [20:30:11] <N0SSH> diogenes_: useradd is systm binary, adduser is perl script use useradd as backend
1514 [20:30:28] <greycat> read "man adduser" and "man useradd" to see the exact details
1515 [20:30:48] <greycat> Rozha: for existing users, you just have to create the directories. adduser only applies when creating new users.
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1518 [20:31:10] <Rozha> okey thanks u >
1519 [20:31:12] <diogenes_> N0SSH, greycat thanks!
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1522 [20:32:43] <tomreyn> diogenes_: this hints on their relation, too: file $(readlink -f $(which adduser)); file $(readlink -f $(which useradd))
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1525 [20:34:14] <greycat> tomreyn: is that just a crazy-bad way of writing "ls -l /usr/sbin/{useradd,adduser}" ?
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1528 [20:34:49] <tomreyn> greycat: no
1529 [20:35:27] <tomreyn> that's (a) pretending not to know where those are located and (b) running file against them
1530 [20:35:56] <greycat> it'll fail because /usr/sbin probably isn't in the person's PATH, and if there are any spaces in any of the resulting pathnames, the lack of quoting will make it fail more
1531 [20:36:42] <greycat> on Debian, at least, neither one is a symlink anyway
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1533 [20:37:32] <tomreyn> i agree on the quoting remark.
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1546 [20:46:25] <lifostack> hi all, i added a dir to my path by running a cmd like "export PATH="${PATH}:/android-studio/bin" from the command line and i thought this exported and updated the PATH variable (permanently?) after rebooting the machine it seems to not be working
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1548 [20:46:53] <sney> nope, it's only permanent if it's in a file that your shell sources when it starts
1549 [20:47:00] <lifostack> ok
1550 [20:47:02] <greycat> That only affects the current shell. If you want it to be permanent, you have to make it run when you login, or when you start a new shell.
1551 [20:47:50] <lifostack> I get that, something new that has me concerned is, how does the path know where the directory is? Should i have put PATH="${PATH}:~/android-studio/bin
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1553 [20:47:58] <lifostack> if the dir is in my home directory
1554 [20:48:15] <greycat> Do you login by ssh, text console, or a graphical login (display manager)?
1555 [20:48:20] <lifostack> GUI
1556 [20:48:31] <greycat> replaced-url
1557 [20:48:52] <lifostack> i'm on debian buster so i think its wayland, if that makes a difference at all
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1561 [20:51:39] <sney> you can also stick it in a file in /etc/environment.d so it's applied even if you're not logging in to a gui, e.g. via ssh or whatever. see 'man environment'
1562 [20:51:39] <lifostack> greycat, how do i know when to put a full path to a directory in my path versus when i can use "shorthand" paths or w/e?
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1564 [20:52:27] <lifostack> im a little concerned now, when i did that temporary path export, that it worked, since i didnt specify a full path to the file
1565 [20:52:36] <lifostack> and want to make sure i do it correctly next time
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1568 [20:53:02] <sney> lifostack: it's best to always use full paths when adding to the PATH variable.
1569 [20:53:20] <lifostack> the install readme said "Add "{installation home}/bin" to your PATH environment"
1570 [20:53:44] <lifostack> i dont know the proper way to give full path, should i pwd it?
1571 [20:54:10] <lifostack> nvm its /home/username/android-studio
1572 [20:54:22] <lifostack> so should i have put that in the path?
1573 [20:54:32] <sney> yes
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1576 [20:56:59] <sney> though if you want android-studio accessible to users other than your own (e.g. root, in a login shell) then it's smarter to put it in /opt or /usr/local than your home directory. and then your PATH addition would be e.g. /opt/android-studio/bin
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1579 [20:58:56] <lifostack> oh ok
1580 [20:59:23] <sney> !fhs
1581 [20:59:23] <dpkg> Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See replaced-url
1582 [20:59:29] <sney> for more on this stuff.
1583 [21:00:40] <lifostack> sney, the link greycat gave me it seems to suggest that i could put my custom path in ~/.xsessionrc , is there any big diff between doing that versus putting it in ~/.bashrc ? or is it just two ways to skin a cat?
1584 [21:01:01] <greycat> if you put it in .bashrc it will only work when you open bash
1585 [21:01:15] <greycat> if you put it in .xsessionrc it will work in things that you launch from your desktop or whatever
1586 [21:01:22] <lifostack> oh
1587 [21:01:23] <sney> lifostack: .xsessionrc is only used in an X (gui) session. .bashrc is only used by bash. /etc/environment.d works everywhere, but for all users. and so on.
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1589 [21:01:46] <lifostack> ok i think i get it now
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1591 [21:02:25] <greycat> you can't append to PATH in /etc/environment though
1592 [21:03:39] <lifostack> and just so im 100% though, this appends to path regardless of where i put it? so that im not overwriting the path thats set by the root account?
1593 [21:04:10] <sney> wherever you set it, if you start with ${PATH}: that means you are including the existing PATH variable.
1594 [21:04:10] <greycat> because (1) /etc/environment only does literal strings, not things like $PATH:/foo and (2) /etc/environment is read too early in the login, and the shell's initialization will overwrite PATH later in /etc/profile or whatever
1595 [21:04:46] <greycat> lifostack: everything depends.
1596 [21:05:18] <lifostack> ok that makes sense
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1599 [21:05:49] <lifostack> does the path directories found in /root/.bashrc "trickle" down into all other subsequent user accounts?
1600 [21:06:02] <greycat> No.
1601 [21:06:15] <greycat> /root/.bashrc is only read when you run bash as root.
1602 [21:06:18] <lifostack> ok
1603 [21:07:02] <lifostack> Sorry, then im still slightly confused here, because when i type echo $PATH on my non-root user account it returns a bunch of directories, but i cant find the file those directories are listed in
1604 [21:07:13] <sney> /etc/profile
1605 [21:07:16] <lifostack> oh ok
1606 [21:07:57] <greycat> /etc/profile is read by SHELL logins (and not even all shells), but not by GUI logins
1607 [21:08:08] <lifostack> thanks that was very helpful i think i finally understand it now
1608 [21:09:11] <lifostack> there's a line here, the first few lines is an if/else statement, it says if id -u eq 0 ... (paraphrase) what does id -u mean?
1609 [21:09:24] <greycat> run "id -u" in a terminal and see, or read "man id"
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1612 [21:09:50] <lifostack> oh ok
1613 [21:10:05] <lifostack> ok, so its asking if user is root
1614 [21:10:09] <greycat> yup
1615 [21:10:14] <lifostack> darn this was super helpful
1616 [21:10:31] <lifostack> lots of options here but i think i know enough to be dangerous
1617 [21:10:38] <jmcnaught> Debian 10 GNOME/Wayland /etc/profile and ~/.profile are read at login.
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1619 [21:10:55] <greycat> Not all logins, I promise you.
1620 [21:11:07] <greycat> But I know almost nothing about Wayland.
1621 [21:11:33] <lifostack> jmcnaught: and if a .profile exists, lots of other files are skipped right? like .bash_profile and such?
1622 [21:11:42] <lifostack> i read something like that yesterday when i was trying to figure this out the first time
1623 [21:11:43] <greycat> Other way around, actually.
1624 [21:11:51] <lifostack> oh ok, thanks for clearing that up
1625 [21:12:00] <greycat> When bash is run as a login shell, it looks for ~/.bash_profile first, then ~/.bash_login, then ~/.profile
1626 [21:12:05] <diogenes_> greycat, does fvwm have wayland support?
1627 [21:12:09] <greycat> no
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1629 [21:13:07] <lifostack> what does the "rc" mean for files like .xsessionrc and .bashrc ?
1630 [21:13:16] <greycat> "run commands"
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1637 [21:17:10] <lifostack> ok well thanks a lot for the help, i've got my path edited and updated, but android-studio is still not launching, in fact its acting like its not even installed... the quick launch icon has disappeared from the gnome applications menu entirely
1638 [21:17:16] <lifostack> the folder is still there
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1645 [21:21:37] <lifostack> nvm its working
1646 [21:21:39] <lifostack> thanks again for the help
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1656 [21:25:51] <jim> hi... when I apt install kde-full from a debian buster, what version of kde is it?
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1660 [21:26:21] <jim> let's see if judd knows, I'll msg it
1661 [21:26:38] <greycat> replaced-url
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1665 [21:27:44] <jim> greycat, thanks for looking
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1669 [21:29:32] <nulleip> libfreerdp2-2 is brooken, impossible to connect to windows xp sp3 host
1670 [21:29:56] <nulleip> [ERROR][com.freerdp.core.update] - [0x01] PatBlt - update_read_dstblt_order() failed
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1674 [21:32:27] <jelly> nulleip: or maybe xp is broken
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1676 [21:32:48] <nulleip> jelly, nop, is perfect
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1678 [21:32:56] <nulleip> jelly: i even restore to a perfect point
1679 [21:33:11] <jelly> ,v xfreerdp-x11
1680 [21:33:12] <judd> No package named 'xfreerdp-x11' was found in amd64.
1681 [21:33:12] <nulleip> jelly: libfreerdp2-1 works perfectly
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1683 [21:33:25] <jelly> ,v freerdp-x11
1684 [21:33:26] <judd> Package: freerdp-x11 on amd64 -- jessie: 1.1.0~git20140921.1.440916e+dfsg1-4+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1.1.0~git20140921.1.440916e+dfsg1-13~deb8u3; stretch-security: 1.1.0~git20140921.1.440916e+dfsg1-13+deb9u1; stretch: 1.1.0~git20140921.1.440916e+dfsg1-13+deb9u3
1685 [21:33:35] <jelly> ,v freerdp2-x11
1686 [21:33:36] <judd> Package: freerdp2-x11 on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 2.0.0~git20190204.1.2693389a+dfsg1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.0.0~git20190204.1.2693389a+dfsg1-1+deb10u1; buster-proposed-updates: 2.0.0~git20190204.1.2693389a+dfsg1-1+deb10u2; buster-backports: 2.0.0~git20190204.1.2693389a+dfsg1-2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 2.1.1+dfsg1-1+b1; sid: 2.1.2+dfsg1-1
1687 [21:33:48] <jelly> bah, zillion different packagenames
1688 [21:34:35] <nulleip> jelly: will try to downgrade
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1691 [21:38:48] <nulleip> there got to be an easy way to find packages on debian portal...
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1693 [21:39:58] <sney> tracker.debian.org is good for stuff like this where there's 1 source package and a bunch of variably named binary packages. tracker.debian.org/freerdp
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1695 [21:40:27] <sney> append a '2' for the current one
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1697 [21:40:54] <nulleip> replaced-url
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1699 [21:41:04] <nulleip> c'mon ....I need 2-1
1700 [21:41:10] <sney> !snapshot
1701 [21:41:10] <dpkg> replaced-url
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1703 [21:41:23] <sney> previous versions live here ^
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1711 [21:46:06] <Ede|Popede> xdg-mime query default text/plain → libreoffice-writer.desktop
1712 [21:46:11] <Ede|Popede> is this the default?
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1714 [21:47:09] <nvz> I doubt it
1715 [21:47:31] <nvz> xfce has mousepad, gnome has gedit, mate has pluma, kde has kate.. etc
1716 [21:47:40] <nvz> there are simpler things for plain text
1717 [21:48:02] <Ede|Popede> i'm pretty sure i did never ADD anything to LO, on the contrary i tried to rip everything i need out of its greedy claws
1718 [21:48:26] <Ede|Popede> what if the DE text editor is added and office after this?
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1720 [21:49:36] <nvz> idk cause LO is usually included in any desktop install
1721 [21:49:48] <Ede|Popede> i didn't even realize this specific case before, usually i'm on xterm+mc. but now i started doublecommander and my mouse created a doubleclick again
1722 [21:49:57] <Ede|Popede> srsly: why?
1723 [21:50:09] <nulleip> jelly: and now it works!
1724 [21:50:21] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
1725 [21:50:24] <nulleip> downloaded replaced-url
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1727 [21:50:36] <Ede|Popede> i was asked nearly 30 years ago already how i write my texts if i don't have word
1728 [21:50:55] <nulleip> sney: thank you for the link
1729 [21:51:01] <sney> np
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1732 [21:51:21] <jelly> I suspect some security patch broke connectivity to xp RDP
1733 [21:51:28] <Ede|Popede> i can't even imagine a need for office on home PCs, and if i'd need something for a thesis or scientific paper i'd rather learn to use TeX properly
1734 [21:51:41] <jelly> because xp very likely uses outdated crypto
1735 [21:52:05] <jelly> OTOH it might be an actual regression
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1770 [22:17:18] <Bugz000> who helped me the other day i worked out what brought dhcpcd5 in
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1774 [22:18:52] <BuzzardBuzz> Bugz000, it was not me that hepled you, are you setting up DHCP server and clients?
1775 [22:19:32] <sney> no they just had dhcpcd getting route information from dhcp and it was breaking their reachability
1776 [22:19:42] <Bugz000> ah i have no issue before, the kind person who helped me last time fixed it :)
1777 [22:19:44] <sney> Bugz000: do you have a new question or are you just following up
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1779 [22:20:05] <Bugz000> i am just following up, dhcpcd5 got on my server somehow, i don't remember installing but he could tell it was manually installed!
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1781 [22:20:29] <Bugz000> i feared a security breach of sorts, not sure why someone would install that but either way i was certain i hadn't installed it
1782 [22:20:31] <greycat> *sigh*
1783 [22:20:37] <sney> I thought you already determined it was probably because you pasted some command from stackexchange
1784 [22:20:51] <Bugz000> yup, i thought but i'd never seen it before, i just worked it out though
1785 [22:20:53] <sney> anyway, if you don't have a support question, you don't need to let us know the rest of the story.
1786 [22:20:55] <Bugz000> it was pihole! :)
1787 [22:21:02] <greycat> You "could tell" it was manually installed... how? Beacuse apt mark said so? Apt mark is well known to lie about the packages that were installed by the installer.
1788 [22:21:12] <greycat> And dhcpcd5 is a DEAD GIVEAWAY that this is Raspbian.
1789 [22:21:17] <Bugz000> i couldn't tell anything, helper person could though
1790 [22:21:22] <Bugz000> it's not raspbian
1791 [22:21:39] <sney> greycat: it's not raspbian, it's a kludge from someone who pastes stuff without reading it.
1792 [22:21:55] <Bugz000> hahahha, USED TO, not anymore
1793 [22:21:55] <greycat> Oh wonderful. A frankendebian.
1794 [22:21:59] <Bugz000> i really do need to start fresh
1795 [22:22:04] <sney> you should.
1796 [22:22:12] <Bugz000> it is debian 10 buster on a quad core AMD pc
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1799 [22:22:53] <Bugz000> the pihole dev is uh... let's say me and him have had disagreements
1800 [22:23:04] <Bugz000> and i am now banned on the reddit
1801 [22:23:08] <sney> !offtopic
1802 [22:23:08] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
1803 [22:23:15] <Bugz000> oooh nice :D i shall hop over
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1815 [22:34:12] <yazgi> I got a popup message in tbird saying enigmail will be part of tbird in the future, but don't follow the language
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1817 [22:34:39] <yazgi> says something like 'if critical' then don't manually update the add-on, if 'not critical' then do ?
1818 [22:35:20] <sney> ,i enigmail
1819 [22:35:21] <judd> Package enigmail (mail, optional) in buster/amd64: GPG support for Thunderbird and Debian Icedove. Version: 2:2.1.3+ds1-4~deb10u2; Size: 1096.7k; Installed: 8973k; Homepage: replaced-url
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1822 [22:36:02] <sney> sounds like it'll be included directly in thunderbird rather than being a separate addon, maybe?
1823 [22:36:39] <yazgi> sney: yes I think it said version 72 , but not sure how that translates to debian 10
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1825 [22:37:08] <sney> if you're using the tbird package from debian stable then it won't affect you at all
1826 [22:37:20] <sney> but just make a mental note for next year when the next stable comes out
1827 [22:38:22] <yazgi> maybe during tbird upgrade to 72 there will be some warning to uninstall enigmail? I was surprised to see a popup in debian
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1832 [22:40:20] <sney> if the popup was *in* thunderbird it's probably just part of the upstream source
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1834 [22:41:27] <yazgi> upstream source? yes, I'm assuming it was *from thunderbird
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1849 [22:51:56] <yagi> ART ho provato ad entrare su #trash di azzurra, ma il chanserv mi dice "vietato l'ingresso, chan "proibito"" o una cosa del genere
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1855 [22:52:55] <sney> !it
1856 [22:52:55] <dpkg> Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. - debian-italian@lists.debian.org
1857 [22:53:34] <yazgi> sney: maybe tbird allows push messages?
1858 [22:53:44] <alexrelis[m]> yazgi: The popup was from the Enigmail plugin, I believe.
1859 [22:53:47] <sney> I mean, it is an email client.
1860 [22:54:17] <yazgi> oh nevermind, looks like enigmail self-updated june 27 must be It
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1866 [23:00:28] <Delta706> alexrelis: are you here?
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1868 [23:01:04] <alexrelis[m]> As a side-note, Thunderbird is an amazing program and I'm really glad they're moving to native PGP support. I use it for my four mail accounts, IRC, more than 100 RSS feeds, and calendar/contacts/reminders syncing via the tbsync plugin it may be the best mail I ever used.
1869 [23:01:12] <alexrelis[m]> Delta706: Yes. What do you need?
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1871 [23:02:10] <Delta706> you asked for feedback. I reduced the timeout to 2 seconds and it seemed to work. thanks for the help
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1874 [23:03:31] <alexrelis[m]> Delta706: No prob! Have a nice day.
1875 [23:04:22] <Delta706> alexrelis, so you can supply the same solution to other people who experience this hang on shutting down
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1879 [23:05:37] <alexrelis[m]> Delta706: Yes!
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1882 [23:06:37] <yazgi> alexrelis[m]: you've compared tbird rss vs. others like quiterss?, never tried irc on tbird
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1884 [23:07:30] <yazgi> for a while iirc tbird almost died before mozilla seemed to sync the versions with ff
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1891 [23:11:49] <alexrelis[m]> yazgi: I've tried both. They feel very similar (replaced-url
1892 [23:11:49] <alexrelis[m]> I ultimately ended with Tbird because it meant opening up less programs, as I already used Tbird for mail.
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1894 [23:13:25] <jhutchins> What options are there to do an automatic daily check for updates? I think there's a widget in gnome, but this is for a headless server.
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1896 [23:13:54] <independent> replaced-url
1897 [23:15:14] <jhutchins> independent: Ok. What is it?
1898 [23:15:50] <independent> Clone of the website I made for the model I want to marry and have kids with
1899 [23:18:04] <alexrelis[m]> jhutchins: You can configure unattended-upgrades to update your repos and download (not install) the upgrades. You can also make it automatically install security upgrades, but this is not recommended at all on a production server.
1900 [23:18:04] <alexrelis[m]> Check out the documentation: replaced-url
1901 [23:19:03] <jhutchins> alexrelis[m]: Thanks. Yeah, don't want automated installs, just want to know when there are updates. I do get security announcements.
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1906 [23:21:23] <alexrelis[m]> I do have my server set to automatically download the packages, but not install. I find that quite handy.
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1912 [23:27:06] <yazgi> do i need a/the rss feed for security updates, i just have deb news which shows point releases
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1916 [23:27:49] <greycat> you can subscribe to security announcements by email, or you can simply do "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" once in a while, or you can set up unattended-upgrades
1917 [23:28:24] <greycat> or any combination of the above
1918 [23:28:56] <coruja> or replaced-url
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1923 [23:30:23] <yazgi> if one must wait for the point releases anyway, maybe thats enough?
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1926 [23:31:40] <petn-randall> yazgi: Point releases are just roll-ups of previous security updates and major bugfixes. You probably want them earlier, like when they're released, not months later.
1927 [23:31:43] <petn-randall> (IMHO)
1928 [23:32:16] <yazgi> oh right sorry dist-upgrade is point releases , nm
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1932 [23:34:54] <alexrelis[m]> I use full-upgrade instead of dist-upgrade. Not sure if there is a difference, but I just thought I'd mention it.
1933 [23:35:11] <petn-randall> yazgi: no, `dist-upgrade` allows removal or addition of packages during upgrade, this has nothing to do with point releases.
1934 [23:35:36] <petn-randall> `apt-get dist-upgrade` being the full command.
1935 [23:36:55] <greycat> Using dist-upgrade is sometimes *necessary* on point releases because there's a new kernel ABI version. Hence, I can see why people would start conflating them.
1936 [23:37:48] <greycat> It can also be needed on regular old security updates, particularly when the kernel is being patched, but I've seen it with Samba, with Firefox....
1937 [23:38:12] <greycat> *cough* bind9 and its utilities
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1944 [23:44:54] <yazgi> er so what Is the point release invokation, not unlikely i've been using debian wrong for forever
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1946 [23:46:20] <petn-randall> yazgi: `apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade` is what I run by hand. You of course need a properly configured sources.list (if it's untouched it's right).
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