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211 [02:57:25] <foul_owl> I was forced to reboot when my file manager choked on a bad SD card. Now after rebooting, my video card is screwed up. The whole bottom half of my screen starts flickering when I move an x window to a certain region of the screen.
212 [02:57:41] <foul_owl> Any other window doesn't trigger this
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366 [06:24:41] <nvz> foul_owl: sounds to me like you may have a power issue
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370 [06:26:15] <nvz> foul_owl: unless you believe in unrelated coincidences.. power issues could cause a filesystem or sd card to malfunction, as well as a video card.. and any number of seemingly random, seemingly unrelated things
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374 [06:34:17] <jim> hi... what name does debian give to a package that you can install, but has no content, instead, has a depend list of packages?
375 [06:34:29] <bigfluff> meta-package?
376 [06:34:51] <jim> ok, sorta related question:
377 [06:36:37] <jim> what name does debian give to a package that asserts you have a choice of which package to install that would satisfy some requirements, like: exim, sendmail, qmail, postfix, that might "provides: mta"?
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379 [06:38:44] <Nipah> jim: what do the intertubes say?
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381 [06:39:24] <jim> Nipah, they're calling both a "virtual package"
382 [06:39:43] <jim> so I'm trying to resolve the ambiguity
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384 [06:41:48] <jim> I thought intertubes were for going down river rapids
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388 [06:45:27] <bigfluff> Hmmm, not sure
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401 [07:07:52] <Nipah> jim: al gore invented it
402 [07:07:56] <Nipah> also
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417 [07:30:27] <jim> algore invented innertubes?!
418 [07:31:01] <nvz> a virtual package is one that doesnt actually exist.. a meta-package is one that is merely there for depending upon other packages, like the ones equivs creates
419 [07:31:26] <jim> nvz, thanks :)
420 [07:31:55] <nvz> virtual packages are there to allow general dependencies through provides directives like mta, web browser, etc..
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423 [07:32:55] <nvz> virtual doesn't exists, is only referred to by other packages
424 [07:33:05] <nvz> meta just contains metadata, no actual data
425 [07:33:56] <nvz> firefox can provide a web browser, which can satisfy the virtual dependency on a web browser for other packages
426 [07:34:12] <nvz> the "web browser" is the virtual package in such a case
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543 [10:52:00] <KOLANICH> Hi everyone. Why don't we have the latest llvm+clang in the official repos?
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643 [12:52:13] <ScottHDev> Hello, is it the right place to ask about debian packaging
644 [12:52:15] <ScottHDev> ,
645 [12:52:17] <ScottHDev> ?
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650 [12:56:22] <NetTerminalGene> ScottHDev, just ask
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652 [12:56:26] <anonliux> hello
653 [12:56:29] <ScottHDev> ok
654 [12:56:45] <NetTerminalGene> anonliux, hi. sup
655 [12:58:04] <ScottHDev> I'm packaging my own library which is configured with meson-build. So far the build works and I get two .deb files, but there both empty according to `apt-file list <deb file>`
656 [12:58:18] <ScottHDev> *they are
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659 [13:01:01] <ScottHDev> I used dh_make, and debuild -us -uc -b
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687 [13:42:36] <mzajc> I have a slight dependency problem on Debian bullseye/sid: I want to update my system, but it wants to also remove ungoogled-chromium. This is because ungoogled-chromium breaks libavcodec58=7:4.3-2, which appears to be the latest version of both sid and bullseye releases. This is nothing major, but it also means that I can't upgrade ffmpeg, which might cause issues in the future.
688 [13:43:01] <quadrathoch24> !debian-next
689 [13:43:02] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
690 [13:43:05] <quadrathoch24> mzajc ^
691 [13:43:27] <mzajc> oh, sorry, I always forget for some reason
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884 [16:52:30] <Jmabsd> I reinstalled my Debian box twice due to Radeon blackscreening on boot, either as hard kernel crash or just as blackscreen. I'm contemplating one more reinstall now, before giving up or something. Do you have any suggestions for how to make Debian stable, i guess with kernel BPO-5.4 is better, actually work?
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886 [16:53:08] <Jmabsd> It appears to me that maybe a 5.5 kernel upgrade killed the system, also after reverting to 5.4
887 [16:54:40] <Jmabsd> This is an 8 years old Xeon mac desktop however it's a 64bit BIOS/EFI system so should not be a hardware issue, supposedly
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889 [16:55:44] <Jmabsd> one Vega 64, and then one 2012 high-end card :) I only keep one plugged at a time
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893 [16:57:02] <quadrathoch24> Jmabsd so you have issues with 4.19 or why the bpo kernel?
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898 [16:59:25] <Jmabsd> quadrathoch24: i thought for latest KVM security updates i should use 5.4
899 [16:59:28] <Jmabsd> does that make sense?
900 [16:59:42] <Jmabsd> also for latest supposed Radeon stability
901 [17:00:26] <quadrathoch24> Jmabsd what radeon gpu do you have?
902 [17:00:40] <quadrathoch24> as security issues are backported
903 [17:00:57] <quadrathoch24> (as 4.19 is a LTS release)
904 [17:01:49] <Jmabsd> quadrathoch24: i have a Vega64. also alternatively i have a 2012 high end Radeon something
905 [17:02:01] <Jmabsd> i see your point that the 4.19 LTS kernel should be fine, good point.
906 [17:03:36] <quadrathoch24> Jmabsd so with the vega64 in it, it could make sense as it is new enough where the performance gets an upgrade, so now it depends on what you do with that gpu ;)
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908 [17:07:22] <quadrathoch2> Jmabsd did you install the blobs for those gpus btw? just making sure why you got issues with debian
909 [17:07:22] <Jmabsd> quadrathoch24: mostly just the 2d console. :)
910 [17:07:26] <Jmabsd> maybe some OpenCL later
911 [17:07:42] <Jmabsd> quadrathoch2: i only installed nonfree firmware packages, that was all
912 [17:07:55] <Jmabsd> i can see that there miiiight be some newer version out there
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914 [17:09:08] <quadrathoch2> Jmabsd yeah the firmware is pretty old, but shouldnt make it so you get a blackscreen
915 [17:09:20] <quadrathoch2> Jmabsd do you have some log for those?
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931 [17:25:07] <Jmabsd> quadrathoch2: tell me log command. i'll take a step now to make the machine SSH:able after boot with the black screen
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934 [17:26:20] <quadrathoch2> Jmabsd let's see what 'journalctl -p err -b' would give you
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936 [17:26:39] <redbeard72> Would anyone be willing to help me trouble shoot issues with gparted?
937 [17:26:56] <annadane> !ask to ask
938 [17:26:56] <dpkg> Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! If you're unsure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>.
939 [17:26:58] <quadrathoch2> what is your issue? redbeard72
940 [17:27:39] <redbeard72> when I click on /dev/sda2 it say staus Busy(at leas one logical partition is mounted)
941 [17:27:46] <redbeard72> and I went and umounted everything
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943 [17:29:52] <quadrathoch2> did you copy anything or having a directory open? redbeard72
944 [17:30:19] <redbeard72> I'm on a debian live boot disk. Does that answer your question?
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946 [17:32:11] <quadrathoch2> redbeard72 and you want to unmount the usb stick where the live disk is on?
947 [17:33:03] <Ashleee> lsof 2>/dev/null | grep "/mnt/wherever_is_the_thing_mounted" is a good start
948 [17:33:12] <redbeard72> (Its a boot CD). I want to add some partitions to my hard drive, but all the buttons for gparted are greyed out.
949 [17:34:59] <jim> redbeard72, not necessarily :) you could have partitions mounted in a live boot of debian
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952 [17:35:56] <redbeard72> Ashleee I just did your command and the terminal printed out a bunch of data I don't know what to do with.
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954 [17:36:09] <redbeard72> jim pretty sure I didn't do that ;)
955 [17:36:16] <jim> ok ;)
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957 [17:37:33] <jim> my only point is, it may or may not be possible to reason from "I have a live image booted" to "I don't have partitions mounted"
958 [17:38:23] <Jmabsd> quadrathoch2: mce: [Hardware Error]: CPU 1: Machine Check: 0 Bank 8: ea1a6240008000b1
959 [17:38:41] <Jmabsd> mce: [Hardware Error]: TSC 0 MISC 40000 mce: [Hardware Error]: PROCESSOR 0:206c2 TIME 1593272170 SOCKET 1 APIC 20 microcode 1f systemd[1]: Failed to start Raise network interfaces.
960 [17:39:58] <Jmabsd> quadrathoch2: so looking at it now it seems that the Debian is hard-crashing in about 50% of cases
961 [17:40:03] <Jmabsd> the other 50% it boots with blackscreen
962 [17:40:13] <Jmabsd> but in the hard-crash case, it still responds to ctrl+alt+del which is weird
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964 [17:41:30] <Jmabsd> quadrathoch2: here's my /var/log/dpkg.log replaced-url
965 [17:41:35] <quadrathoch2> Jmabsd did you test it with another distribution? as this sounds like a hardware issue
966 [17:41:50] <Jmabsd> did not test any other Linux distro
967 [17:42:08] <jim> could mean somethign is running (but ctrl-alt-del is usually not responded to unless you're in a text console)
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969 [17:43:12] <quadrathoch2> you could look at 'mcelog --ascii' Jmabsd
970 [17:43:14] <redbeard72> The other piece of info I have is that when I try to run the debian installer it doesn't notice my existing 40 gigabyte filesystem on disk
971 [17:43:32] <redbeard72> (my goal is to run multiple instance of debian on separate partitions)
972 [17:43:48] <Jmabsd> quadrathoch2: i don't have mcelog
973 [17:43:58] <quadrathoch2> Jmabsd is it possible to install?
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975 [17:44:12] <banshi> hello all
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977 [17:44:35] <quadrathoch2> oh it's not available :/ Jmabsd
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980 [17:45:08] <banshi> I am trying to install package, but cannot succeed coz of: Error! Your kernel headers for kernel 3.16.0-7-amd64 cannot be found.
981 [17:45:24] <banshi> What to do?
982 [17:45:36] <banshi> Please install the linux-headers-3.16.0-7-amd64 package,
983 [17:45:37] <banshi> or use the --kernelsourcedir option to tell DKMS where it's located
984 [17:45:48] <quadrathoch2> banshi which debian version are you using?
985 [17:46:05] <Jmabsd> quadrathoch2: ok i'll try, sec
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994 [17:48:57] <banshi> quadrathoch2: debian 8
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996 [17:50:39] <Jmabsd> quadrathoch2: collectd2-core was not installed
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998 [17:51:36] <quadrathoch2> Jmabsd the replacement is rasdaemon
999 [17:51:48] <quadrathoch2> banshi so did you install the headers?
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1004 [17:55:33] <banshi> quadrathoch2: I have no that headers in my repos
1005 [17:56:10] <banshi> I'm just trying to install wireguard vpn solution
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1008 [17:56:20] <quadrathoch2> banshi, replaced-url
1009 [17:56:44] <quadrathoch2> oh, i see you are using an outdated linux kernel. maybe you should upgrade first
1010 [17:57:35] <quadrathoch2> banshi the newest one is 3.16.0-11
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1012 [17:58:57] <banshi> ok, thank you
1013 [17:59:02] <banshi> I'll try it
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1018 [18:03:04] <Jmabsd> quadrathoch2: so what should i check
1019 [18:04:54] <Jmabsd> quadrathoch2: haa haa yeah here we go, traditional driver crash with trace.. replaced-url
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1023 [18:08:59] <quadrathoch2> Jmabsd, hm interesting, does it only happen with 5.4? (and btw, it should be 5.6, as that's the newest bpo kernel)
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1025 [18:10:57] <Jmabsd> quadrathoch2: uuuu... oh you're rigt, there's a 5.6 there
1026 [18:10:59] <Jmabsd> shall it ry it?
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1028 [18:11:06] <Jmabsd> also what about download latest firmware from somewhere
1029 [18:11:37] <quadrathoch2> Jmabsd, i would try it for sure, just look into why it didn't update it automatically
1030 [18:11:58] <quadrathoch2> Jmabsd you could try that, using the firmware blobs from kernel.org would probably make sense
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1032 [18:12:14] <Jmabsd> quadrathoch2: they're "unsigned"!
1033 [18:12:21] <Jmabsd> there's no "-amd64" flavor
1034 [18:12:23] <Jmabsd> only "-amd64-dbg" ..
1035 [18:12:28] <quadrathoch2> Jmabsd oO there is
1036 [18:12:45] <Jmabsd> what command do you use??
1037 [18:12:47] <quadrathoch2> Jmabsd 'sudo apt install -t buster-backports linux-image-amd64'
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1039 [18:12:54] <Jmabsd> oh now there is!!
1040 [18:12:55] <Jmabsd> i see
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1042 [18:13:03] <Jmabsd> weird, i only had some
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1044 [18:13:06] <Jmabsd> aptitude update fixed it
1045 [18:13:14] <quadrathoch2> weird :/
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1047 [18:13:44] <Jmabsd> kernel.org firmware would be URL ....
1048 [18:14:18] <quadrathoch2> sorry
1049 [18:14:43] <quadrathoch2> that's the newest replaced-url
1050 [18:15:24] <quadrathoch2> but I don't think that would change much _shrug_
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1053 [18:17:42] <Jmabsd> quadrathoch2: cool, how did you find it?
1054 [18:19:28] <quadrathoch2> take search engine looking for firmware kernel.org and then there should be a git link to it, (and then clicking on refs)
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1056 [18:19:33] <quadrathoch2> in cgit
1057 [18:20:17] <Jmabsd> ..trying linux 5.6..
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1061 [18:23:04] <Jmabsd> quadrathoch2: Woo Linux 5.6 upgrade fixed it, the graphics on boot work!!!! so weird
1062 [18:23:10] <Jmabsd> i should reboot some times tomorrow just to check it really works
1063 [18:24:45] <Jmabsd> bbl
1064 [18:24:58] <Jmabsd> quadrathoch2: thanks for suggesting trying with 5.6
1065 [18:25:04] <Jmabsd> 100x
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1130 [19:49:59] <Casper26> Anyone know how to change the clock format in slick-greeter?
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1134 [19:51:49] <BalooRJ> would anyone happen to know how I could find out the definition of the command "wine" in the default program launcher in Debian
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1148 [20:01:27] <ScottHDev> Hello, I'm packaging a library and a single binary. In dh_make I choosed `l` (for library). So far the deb package builds fine : I get 2 deb files : <packagename>_<version>-<revision>_<arch>.deb and <packagename>-dev_<version>-<revision>_<arch>.deb. But I can't see the binary in the the first one.
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1174 [20:20:06] <premoboss> hi fresh istall of debian amd64. videocard Geforce RTX 2070. debian put on place nouveau driver, but it does not fit all th resolution of display (1920x1080), so i isntall xserver-xorg-video-nvidia, the closed source video driver, then reboot. Wen OC stat again, it work but there is a "missed" part of display: like the frame of a painting, all the perimeter of the display "fall outside" the monitor. how to solve?
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1176 [20:20:25] <premoboss> when I start again*
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1188 [20:37:40] <ScottHDev> Found, I just had to use debian/<packagename>.install
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1255 [21:52:32] <lifostack> i'm wondering if someone can walk me thru adding the android-studio/bin dir to my PATH, i am on debian buster and nearly OEM install and am familiar with the concept of editing the PATH but have never done it myself.
1256 [21:52:44] <lifostack> also the bashrc file looks very "nuanced" in this version of debian
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1258 [21:52:59] <lifostack> not like it is in a "text book" type explanation of the bashrc file and editing it
1259 [21:53:09] <lifostack> or if someone could point me to a video or something that would be helpful
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1261 [21:54:05] <lifostack> also is it proper to edit the .bashrc of the currently logged in user, from that user account, or should you su to root and edit as root?
1262 [21:54:54] <lifostack> im looking at a stackexchange question where it gives a "good and bad" way of adding to the PATH, which i am also unsure of (or the reasoning behind it)
1263 [21:54:54] <lifostack> replaced-url
1264 [21:55:03] <lifostack> BAD export PATH="/less/important/path:/lesser/important/path"
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1266 [21:55:12] <lifostack> GOOD export PATH="${PATH}:/less/important/path:/lesser/important/path"
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1268 [21:56:10] <lifostack> i've looked inside my .bashrc file and there actually is NO path entry at all
1269 [21:56:16] <lifostack> so i was wondering about that as well
1270 [21:56:29] <lifostack> and also if there is a "typical" set of dirs that should be in the path, that i dont currently have
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1275 [21:58:59] <quadrathoch2> premoboss still here?
1276 [22:00:03] <quadrathoch2> premoboss if yes, with that card, you need to install the nvidia-driver package from buster-backports probably to get the newest driver and fix your issue
1277 [22:00:19] <premoboss> quadrathoch2, yes, still here
1278 [22:00:38] <premoboss> ok i will do backports
1279 [22:01:32] <quadrathoch2> premoboss will be back in a bit, so if issues just ping me
1280 [22:01:43] <premoboss> quadrathoch2, ok
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1296 [22:12:44] <premoboss> quadrathoch2, problem still here. but i have suspect: monitor could be setted to be "overscan": if yes, i must set in "underscan" manually with the hardware setup on the monitor.
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1299 [22:14:41] <lifostack> nobody can help me with my PATH deal?
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1301 [22:15:09] <lifostack> alright ill go watch a youtube video of unverifiable accuracy
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1308 [22:21:25] <premoboss> quadrathoch2, yes, it was a hardware setting, ADVANCED SETTING->HDMI SCAN-> underscan, bingo!
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1310 [22:23:29] <quadrathoch2> premoboss :) great
1311 [22:23:36] <quadrathoch2> lifostack what issue do you have?
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1313 [22:24:44] <premoboss> wait
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1315 [22:25:32] <premoboss> the "external" perimeter of screen was not present, like the "frame of a painting"
1316 [22:25:51] <premoboss> difficult to me to explain in english, not motherlangiage.
1317 [22:25:52] <premoboss> wait
1318 [22:25:54] <premoboss> replaced-url
1319 [22:25:58] <lifostack> quadrathoch2, im trying to edit my .bashrc file to add to the path, i've done "echo $PATH" and see the OEM entries in there, but cannot find them in my .bashrc
1320 [22:26:09] <premoboss> this is the solution, so you can undestand the problem :-)
1321 [22:26:36] <lifostack> quadrathoch2, are those gonna be in root's .bashrc ?
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1324 [22:29:28] <lifostack> premoboss are you using an actual monitor or using a TV or some other type of display device?
1325 [22:29:31] <lifostack> just curious
1326 [22:29:47] <lifostack> i often find i have that problem when i'm using a TV as a video source
1327 [22:30:15] <quadrathoch2> lifostack systemwide or userwide?
1328 [22:30:37] <premoboss> lifostack, mi current monitor.
1329 [22:30:39] <lifostack> user wide
1330 [22:31:05] <premoboss> quadrathoch2, are you asking to me?
1331 [22:31:10] <lifostack> quadrathoch2, i dont understand how echo $PATH returns entries but the .bashrc has no PATH
1332 [22:31:29] <lifostack> and i'm just trying to add to the path without affecting whats currently being returned
1333 [22:31:37] <lifostack> i would hate to overwrite it or something
1334 [22:32:20] <lifostack> premoboss, what type of cable are you connecting to your monitor, and are you connecting the monitor to a desktop or laptop?
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1336 [22:32:52] <quadrathoch2> lifostack you just add the path, so it's getting added to the systemwide paths
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1338 [22:33:11] <quadrathoch2> premoboss idk about what you are talking ;)
1339 [22:33:11] <premoboss> lifostack, hdmi cable. from pc to monitor
1340 [22:33:17] <lifostack> ok, so if i su to root and check roots .bashrc i'll find those PATH entries that are being echoed in his .bashrc ?
1341 [22:33:41] <premoboss> now resolution is ok, audio is ok (i used vpau control tool)
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1343 [22:34:05] <lifostack> oh, so you're all taken care of then?
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1345 [22:34:24] <premoboss> lifostack, now all is good
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1347 [22:35:23] <lifostack> quadrathoch2, ok, im good thanks i found PATH for root
1348 [22:35:45] <lifostack> just freaked me out cuz i never seen such a complex .bashrc file for user, most of the stuff i read shows a blank file kinda like whats in root
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1350 [22:35:53] <lifostack> or ~/.bashrc when logged in as root that is
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1356 [22:40:28] <nurupo> anyone knows how to exclude /home from a LVM snapshot, so that when you restore from a previously taken snapshot you would keep the current /home?
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