• 0[00:00:01] <LaScoumoune_> you have make a change before ? and other, for me i use debian since 8years, 3 times that can be slow and i have found the problem very fast, so that strange why is so slow on you're computer. I hop you find fast my friend
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• 3[00:00:24] <LaScoumoune_> and my english is not very good so complicated for me to help you :/
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• 6[00:00:56] <LaScoumoune_> the clock who doesn't update that very warning !!!
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• 8[00:01:13] <foul_owl> How do I kill a process that won't respond to kill -9? The process is thunar
• 9[00:03:39] <rgwu> Did you specify the correct pid?
• 10[00:03:47] <foul_owl> Yes
• 11[00:03:57] <rgwu> Did you issue the command as root?
• 12[00:04:06] <foul_owl> As a normal user and root
• 13[00:04:21] <velix> Highly interesting. What's the limiting factor here? Pipe or cat? `pv /dev/zero > /dev/null` = 9.12 GiB/s but `cat /dev/zero | pv > /dev/null` = 2.55 GiB/s
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• 16[00:05:17] <rgwu> foul_owl: How many instances of Thunar are running? ps aux | grep -i thunar
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• 19[00:06:02] <foul_owl> 1 instance
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• 21[00:06:09] <LaScoumoune_> if multi instances: killall thunar
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• 23[00:06:39] <foul_owl> I believe this is a bug in Linux itself. (Although I'm sure people will say it's not a bug, it's a feature)
• 24[00:06:58] <foul_owl> To the average desktop user, it's a bug
• 25[00:07:08] <velix> Oh, I'm on #debian not on #linux - sorry.
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• 28[00:07:56] <foul_owl> replaced-url
• 29[00:08:05] <foul_owl> "Since the program isn't really using any resources it really doesn't cause any issues."
• 30[00:08:23] <foul_owl> Except I don't want 30 dead thunar windows floating around my desktop
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• 33[00:08:55] <LaScoumoune_> yeaa
• 34[00:09:15] <LaScoumoune_> i have same issue with gnome-file
• 35[00:09:31] <foul_owl> And more importantly, trying to launch a new instance of thunar does not work
• 36[00:09:45] <LaScoumoune_> i have try to kill gnome-file, but that was not gnome-file
• 37[00:10:07] <foul_owl> So I have to reboot my entire system every time thunar chokes on a bad sd card? That's insane
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• 43[00:10:32] <foul_owl> It's simply bad design. Unless there is some secret way to kill the process that I don't know about
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• 45[00:10:57] <LaScoumoune_> try to kill the process you have run before you're file manager
• 46[00:11:04] <rgwu> foul_owl: You failed to mention you have thunar trying to deal with bad hardware.
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• 50[00:11:21] <foul_owl> That's what I've seen happen in the past
• 51[00:11:32] <foul_owl> I'm assuming that is what happened now
• 52[00:11:43] <foul_owl> All I know is that it's unkillable
• 53[00:11:48] <LaScoumoune_> do that look
• 54[00:12:18] <foul_owl> How would I even try to determine that's what the issue is? It's not even possible to know
• 55[00:12:25] <LaScoumoune_> ps -eo pid,ppid,cmd,%mem,%cpu --sort=-%cpu | head
• 56[00:12:31] <LaScoumoune_> ps -eo pid,ppid,cmd,%mem,%cpu --sort=-%mem | head
• 57[00:12:32] <rgwu> foul_owl: There's probably a udiskctl command that would sort things out for you, but I don't know what it would be.
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• 59[00:13:00] <foul_owl> Interesting, thank you! If I know the possible command, I can look it up
• 60[00:13:12] <rgwu> np
• 61[00:13:34] <foul_owl> I don't know for sure that is the cause
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• 63[00:13:52] <foul_owl> But it seems like some thing disk io related can make a process unkillable
• 64[00:14:03] <LaScoumoune_> no possible
• 65[00:14:14] <LaScoumoune_> i have a same problem like you
• 66[00:14:20] <LaScoumoune_> and that not you're file manager
• 67[00:14:33] <LaScoumoune_> I have use a shell, my pc have freez in the past
• 68[00:14:51] <mzajc> I intend to "switch" from debian to bedrock. are there any caveats I must be aware of?
• 69[00:14:55] <rgwu> foul_owl: udisksctl status
• 70[00:15:03] <foul_owl> I didn't launch thunar from a shell, I beleive I lauch it on fluxbox init
• 71[00:15:12] <foul_owl> (Which might use a shell itself)
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• 73[00:16:02] <LaScoumoune_> Ok folk i do eat, but no put you're arm down ! With debian you can all man
• 74[00:16:09] <LaScoumoune_> with windows you like a jail
• 75[00:16:23] <foul_owl> Hmm, that command does not exit, it just hangs
• 76[00:17:06] <LaScoumoune_> look what use all you're memory or cpu for freez you're file manager
• 77[00:17:33] <foul_owl> Thank you, I don't see anything hogging any cycles or ram right now
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• 79[00:18:46] <foul_owl> Looks like the state is "uninterruptible sleep"
• 80[00:19:15] <LaScoumoune_> normaly is you use top or the other commande i have write
• 81[00:19:23] <LaScoumoune_> you do see you're file manager in the top
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• 83[00:19:50] <LaScoumoune_> if not that not you're file manager you do to kill another process
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• 87[00:21:44] <LaScoumoune_> and try to umount you're sdcard correctly
• 88[00:22:35] <foul_owl> The parent process is fluxbox, and I'm unable to restart at this time, just as bad as restarting my entire system
• 89[00:23:20] <foul_owl> I think the issue is the design of the Linux kernel, being unable to kill a process in the D state
• 90[00:23:42] <foul_owl> Thank you everyone
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• 143[01:21:23] <annadane> what package are spice guest tools in in debian?
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• 149[01:27:18] <Casper26> Anyone help with why debian is seeing an internal drive and thinks it's an external drive?
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• 186[02:05:01] <quadrathoch2> Casper26 most of the times it depends how your bios sets up your disk
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• 258[03:13:47] <quadrathoch2> Casper26, hm then sorry, no idea. for me it was always a bios/efi issue
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• 342[04:35:23] <KoaX> having a very simple issues with ssh. just installed fresh copy of Debian 10.4, installed openssh-server and went to /etc/ssh/ssh_confid and added passwordAuthentication yes and permitRootLogin yes but i still cant login via ssh, says permission denied. am i missing something?
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• 344[04:37:09] <Disavowed> KoaX: try passing -vvv to ssh - should give you something to work with
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• 346[04:39:02] <KoaX> says Authentications that can continue: publickey,password, im entering the right password, i dont get it
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• 348[04:40:16] <quadrathoch2> KoaX so the the client reaches the server?
• 349[04:40:37] <KoaX> also, when i login as the user i created during install, it says command not found when i type sudo i never says either of these issues with debian 10.1, 10.2 or 10.3
• 350[04:40:53] <KoaX> quadrathoch2: yes its does
• 351[04:41:20] <quadrathoch2> KoaX just making sure, did you remove the comment # from permitRootLogin?
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• 353[04:41:43] <quadrathoch2> KoaX did you type in a root password during install?
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• 355[04:41:45] <KoaX> yes, its removed
• 356[04:41:59] <quadrathoch2> because if you did, sudo won't get installed
• 357[04:42:20] <KoaX> quadrathoch2: yes and im logging in fine as root into the terminal
• 358[04:42:46] <quadrathoch2> KoaX so to fix the sudo issue, just install sudo and add yourself to the sudo group
• 359[04:43:25] <KoaX> ok got it.
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• 362[04:43:37] <quadrathoch2> for ssh, could you give us a paste of the exact error? (incl the command) as I still don't get when the error happens
• 363[04:44:30] <KoaX> im entering ssh root@10.21.94.172 then its replies ermission denied, please try again.
• 364[04:45:16] <quadrathoch2> KoaX did you restart the sshd service?
• 365[04:45:33] <KoaX> definitely
• 366[04:45:37] <quadrathoch2> firewall?
• 367[04:46:26] <KoaX> no, i also tried from the host directly to the vm, still same error. how can i debug server side ssh?
• 368[04:47:25] <KoaX> this is my first install ever of 10.4, i have dozens of VMs that were installed with 10.1,2,3 and never say this
• 369[04:47:38] <KoaX> saw this*
• 370[04:47:49] <quadrathoch2> hm, I have a dozen of 10.4 and all work fine :)
• 371[04:48:55] <quadrathoch2> KoaX does journalctl say something (if you can connect or not)
• 372[04:49:46] <KoaX> ok interesting, when i try to ssh root@localhost its says line 24: bad configuration option: permitrootlogin, terminating
• 373[04:50:19] <quadrathoch2> so what does that line say specifically? KoaX
• 374[04:51:06] <KoaX> it is -----> permitRootLogin yes
• 375[04:51:40] <KoaX> sorr ---> PermitRootLogin yes
• 376[04:52:05] <quadrathoch2> should work
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• 378[04:56:54] <KoaX> i just downloaded 10.4, installed in a vm added two lines to the config file as normal and it doesnt work. am i crazy?
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• 382[04:57:36] <quadrathoch2> KoaX could you post the config? or should I guess more?
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• 384[05:02:39] <KoaX> quadrathoch2: replaced-url
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• 390[05:03:39] <quadrathoch2> KoaX you edited the wrong file :)
• 391[05:03:40] <quadrathoch2> This is the ssh client system-wide configuration file.
• 392[05:03:49] <quadrathoch2> at the top ;)
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• 394[05:04:14] <quadrathoch2> you need to edit sshd_config not ssh_config
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• 396[05:04:46] <KoaX> ah ok, got it, thank you sir....
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• 428[05:31:31] <bigfluff> Alright friends, what is the best way to run VM's on my Debian laptop? VirtualBox, virt-manager, etc?
• 429[05:31:55] <annadane> !best
• 430[05:31:55] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
• 431[05:32:06] <annadane> but gnome-boxes seems decent or virt-manager for more customization
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• 433[05:33:11] <annadane> virtualbox isn't in debian so if you use it you'll need to get it from oracle
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• 437[05:36:26] <firusa> bigfluff: kvm
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• 440[05:40:27] <annadane> i think systemd-nspawn is also used for virtualization
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• 444[05:43:16] <bigfluff> I'm thinking virt-manager seems the way to go, certainly 'the most Debian way'
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• 475[06:14:34] <dools> anyone else seen problems installing php7.3 on debian 10? for me it's hanging at progress 51% and says "Setting up php-common (2:69) ..."
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• 483[06:31:43] <quadrathoch2> dools working for em
• 484[06:31:45] <quadrathoch2> me
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• 491[06:43:16] <dools> quadrathoch2: someone in ##php suggested that I strace it to see if there were any weird errors and when i ran it under strace it finished successfully :S
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• 493[06:43:36] <annadane> just smile and nod and back away very slowly
• 494[06:43:53] <dools> problem solved! i guess it was just slacking off because it wasn't being properly supervised
• 495[06:43:58] <dools> annadane: haha totally
• 496[06:44:04] <dools> anyhoo, thanks, cya
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• 659[10:11:40] <apurkrt> hello! would somebody know where to get the old debian jessie iso images?
• 660[10:11:50] <ksk> !archive
• 661[10:11:50] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see replaced-url
• 662[10:12:00] <ksk> apurkrt: ^
• 663[10:12:10] <apurkrt> ksk: great, thanks a lot
• 664[10:12:24] <Haohmaru> what's going on lately? everywhere i see people fiddling with museum-grade debian, gcc, whatnot
• 665[10:12:50] <Haohmaru> floppy diskettes, VHS tapes
• 666[10:13:02] <ksk> Yeah..
• 667[10:13:31] <apurkrt> Haohmaru: it's just about installing netdata on an old production server in my case
• 668[10:13:45] <apurkrt> want to try it first in test environment (=virtualbox in my case)
• 669[10:13:58] <apurkrt> ..but nothing against old hardware!
• 670[10:14:07] <Haohmaru> a few days ago a guy was fiddling with gcc v2.x
• 671[10:14:17] <Disavowed> Hey all. Are Optimus and Bumblebee the right way to go if I have intel onboard graphics and an nvidia card or is there something smarter? Debian 10 if that makes a difference
• 672[10:14:17] <apurkrt> I have slackware 3.0 installed in a virtual :)
• 673[10:14:20] <apurkrt> my first linux
• 674[10:14:32] <Disavowed> apurkrt: I hope to do Slackware soon. It looks daunting!
• 675[10:14:36] <Haohmaru> i had slackware when it was version 9 or 10, i don't remember
• 676[10:14:47] <apurkrt> 3.0 is from 1995
• 677[10:14:56] <Haohmaru> but i remember that i decided to install it in "advanced mode" .. such an epic grande mistake x_x
• 678[10:14:57] <apurkrt> the kernel compiles in 10 seconds on present day machine
• 679[10:15:18] <apurkrt> v1.3.27 :)
• 680[10:15:27] <apurkrt> gcc 2.7
• 681[10:15:38] <Haohmaru> i remember having kernel maybe 2.3 or 2.4
• 682[10:15:50] <Haohmaru> didn't know wut a kernel is then
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• 684[10:16:05] <Haohmaru> anyway..
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• 689[10:21:04] <apurkrt> installing now (from mini.iso)
• 690[10:21:11] <apurkrt> installing jessie
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• 692[10:21:47] <apurkrt> not a regular debian user - anyway if I may have a word on the installer
• 693[10:21:50] <apurkrt> (feedback)
• 694[10:22:10] <apurkrt> I would like to install in English, though I live in Czechia
• 695[10:22:19] <apurkrt> to choose czech mirrors
• 696[10:22:39] <apurkrt> if I select English/United states, the installer somehow won't let me to choose czech mirror
• 697[10:22:42] <apurkrt> (afaict)
• 698[10:22:59] <Haohmaru> ,v gcc
• 699[10:23:00] <judd> Package: gcc on amd64 -- jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; stretch: 4:6.3.0-4; buster: 4:8.3.0-1; bullseye: 4:9.2.1-3.1; sid: 4:9.2.1-3.1; experimental: 4:10-1
• 700[10:23:12] <apurkrt> or did I do something wrong
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• 702[10:23:59] <apurkrt> Haohmaru: yep, the gcc 2.7.something is in that Slackware 3.0 from 1995
• 703[10:25:14] <Haohmaru> mine was on 2 CDs iirc
• 704[10:25:15] <apurkrt> oops sorry.. my bad.. it is perfectly possible to chose arbitrary mirror
• 705[10:26:16] <apurkrt> Haohmaru: I got it as a bonus on a CD accompanying Computerworld (14-day IT newspapers back then)
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• 707[10:26:26] <apurkrt> (or rather, my father got it :)
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• 711[10:26:50] <apurkrt> only recently did I download the original CDs
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• 717[10:28:07] <apurkrt> replaced-url
• 718[10:28:24] <apurkrt> (but enough of a chat here, straying away off topic, I know)
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• 722[10:31:09] <apurkrt> oh now the time zone selection - and here is the issue: I want english locale (so I've set it), but the installer won't let me select a timezone outside of US
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• 724[10:33:39] <apurkrt> "If the desired time zone is not listed, then please go back to the step "Choose language" and select a country that uses the desired time zone (the country where you live or are located)."
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• 729[10:34:20] <apurkrt> this is unneccessary and impractical limitation
• 730[10:34:27] <apurkrt> imo
• 731[10:34:39] <themill> The jessie installer is also never going to change
• 732[10:35:08] <apurkrt> yes but I think the same issue is in the newer installers too
• 733[10:35:13] <apurkrt> haven't checked though
• 734[10:35:36] <apurkrt> (I will in a moment)
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• 739[10:38:52] <apurkrt> um, elementary question again - is there "mini.iso" for current debian?
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• 741[10:39:20] <apurkrt> (for jessie, it is 28MiB large - and I like that) - would prefer it to netinst, which is 336MiB or so
• 742[10:39:29] <Haohmaru> i'd think netinst would be the smol-est
• 743[10:39:42] <Haohmaru> or you mean offline installer that is smol
• 744[10:40:18] <apurkrt> Haohmaru: the mini.iso I downloaded is a net install
• 745[10:40:30] <apurkrt> (the mini.iso for jessie)
• 746[10:40:38] <apurkrt> maybe it is not available for current version
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• 748[10:41:55] <apurkrt> and my complains about not being able to set arbitrary timezone concerned the text-mode installer
• 749[10:42:07] <apurkrt> I'm going to try netinst anyway
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• 751[10:43:08] <apurkrt> ha! got it
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• 754[10:43:43] <apurkrt> the mini.iso for current debian - it is 48MiB large - nice
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• 761[10:48:00] <apurkrt> and I got it now - and there is no issue actually - just Select your location/other/...
• 762[10:48:22] <Haohmaru> Zimbabwe
• 763[10:48:46] <apurkrt> really? greetings..
• 764[10:50:00] <apurkrt> ..so the installer is fine
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• 766[10:51:08] <Haohmaru> nah, i'm not from there
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• 783[11:07:39] <apurkrt> ...still the time zone setting would be probably more practical if it was right after the "Select your location" setting
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• 785[11:10:11] <apurkrt> (just a feedback)
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• 855[12:23:02] <iateadonut> if i've got a program, like, e.g. spotify, and i want to see what ip addresses/domain names it's hitting, how could i do that?
• 856[12:24:41] <Haohmaru> could it be that netstat thing maybe
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• 864[12:30:19] <n_1-c_k> iateadonut, try 'conntrack' and do DNS lookups via a local 'unbound' that logs queries.
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• 870[12:39:03] <sussudio> iateadonut: install dnsmasq, do dns lookups through that, turn on logging.
• 871[12:41:19] <sussudio> ... then go "wtf" as you look at all the unnecessary stuff cheap IOT shit does ...
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• 875[12:47:02] <shtrb> Anyone here uses Teams and can share how they integrate it with debian ? (calendar , chat , tasks etc)
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• 877[12:47:40] <this_paradis> iateadonut: try "netstat -natupv" + grep
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• 880[12:54:39] <ksk> shtrb: use a browser? :>
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• 884[12:56:34] <shtrb> ksk , using a browser defeat the integration part, I have akonadi running and working that already have integration to other resources so it would be nice to see it inside (or other tools) .
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• 890[13:04:09] <ksk> but would google want to you integrate their stuff into yours?
• 891[13:04:15] <ksk> *want you to
• 892[13:04:29] <ksk> You either use the cloud, or you dont, imho..
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• 895[13:06:18] <miskatonic> there is no try
• 896[13:06:45] <shtrb> ksk , exactly as we use Contacts and Calendars from other cloud services and integrate it into the existing system using akonadi and evolution , I wished to have the same flow. It's not about using or not using the browser rather using the regular tools I already have .
• 897[13:07:05] <shtrb> ksk, that same thing is for IMAP4 for email usage
• 898[13:07:09] <ksk> shtrb: and I am arguging google does not really want you to be able to do that.
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• 900[13:07:53] <ksk> I suspect google calendar supports caldarv/carddav, but integration is not 100%.
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• 904[13:08:52] <andril> o/
• 905[13:08:56] <shtrb> ksk, Microsoft Teams is not related to google, and you could use caldav/carddav in the past with Google's services and later with the google akonadi resource
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• 908[13:10:05] <miskatonic> Can MS Teams be accessed from standalone linux?
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• 910[13:10:09] <shtrb> yes
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• 912[13:10:38] <ksk> As it also is a browser thingy, what reason would there be for it not to work on linux? :)
• 913[13:10:40] <shtrb> As long you have network access , you can use either the flatpak or the deb packages
• 914[13:11:07] <ksk> also learned Microsoft does offer "Defender" packages for Debian ;)
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• 917[13:13:01] <Haohmaru> wat
• 918[13:13:19] <Haohmaru> M$, pls
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• 923[13:14:41] <Haohmaru> "Windows Defender for Debian." ... it now defends crapdows from the "neighbour's house"
• 924[13:15:01] <iateadonut> this_paradis, sussudio, n_1-c_k, haohmaru, thanks.
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• 926[13:15:13] <Haohmaru> hm? me? what for
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• 928[13:15:41] <Haohmaru> oh, i said netstat, but it looks like that's not the right tool
• 929[13:15:57] <Haohmaru> wasn't netstat even a crapdows thing :/
• 930[13:16:24] <shtrb> long live net-tools
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• 933[13:17:16] <Haohmaru> long live pcmanfm
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• 940[13:24:55] <shtrb> ksk, you are not using common tools like an e-mail client (even mutt) to access your E-Mail account ?
• 941[13:25:33] <miskatonic> I am the last pop3 user
• 942[13:25:55] <shtrb> not really , I wish to move back to pop but my provider does not have pop anymore
• 943[13:26:12] <shtrb> I need to delete files manually because of inbox size :D
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• 949[13:38:58] <otisolsen70> Is it possible to see HEIC images on Debian? If so, what tools do I need?
• 950[13:39:14] <Haohmaru> heic?
• 951[13:39:18] <otisolsen70> After updating to Debian 10/Buster, I get these errors in syslog all the time. replaced-url
• 952[13:39:23] <otisolsen70> HEIC/HEIF
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• 955[13:39:46] <otisolsen70> Haohmaru, photos from apple modern devices are typically .heic
• 956[13:40:01] <Haohmaru> meh, wut is this?
• 957[13:40:19] <Haohmaru> is it similar to a .raw firmat from decent photo cameras?
• 958[13:40:24] <otisolsen70> Haohmaru, replaced-url
• 959[13:40:30] <otisolsen70> Haohmaru, no. A replacement for jpeg
• 960[13:40:36] <otisolsen70> Not raw
• 961[13:40:50] <Haohmaru> if so, then you can use darktable/rawtherapee
• 962[13:40:55] <Haohmaru> bluh then
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• 964[13:42:33] <shtrb> otisolsen70, install libheif1
• 965[13:43:06] <shtrb> that way you could convert it to sane format later
• 966[13:43:13] <otisolsen70> shtrb, then it will "just work" in various apps such as gwenview, thumbnailing in dolphin, etc.?
• 967[13:43:29] <otisolsen70> shtrb, is heif not sane?
• 968[13:44:11] <miskatonic> SANE the scanner programme
• 969[13:45:15] <otisolsen70> After updating to Debian 10/Buster, I get these errors in syslog all the time. replaced-url
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• 972[13:48:10] <shtrb> krita can open (and edit?)
• 973[13:48:33] <ksk> shtrb: I run mutt on my shellhost as a backup, but no, been exlusively using gmail (in browser) now for a while. But please dont tell anyone :P
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• 975[13:49:06] <ksk> Kind of going from "extensive list of filters nobody can comprehend" to "google will notify me on my mobile, if that email is important"
• 976[13:51:21] * shtrb need to download a Microsoft linux kernel upgrade in order to update debian under wsl-2
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• 987[14:01:55] <torchinz> hello guys. I am facing a weird problem during the boot. I am continuously getting errors of "could not load kernel modules" AND "kvm disabled in BIOS". Screenshots here: replaced-url
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• 989[14:02:22] <ksk> torchinz: KVM disabled in bios is just that :)
• 990[14:02:39] <ksk> google that message with "your mainboard" - it should give you the option you need to change.
• 991[14:03:27] <torchinz> hello ksk, 1. I don't know what KVM is. So, the possibility of me experimenting with it is zero.
• 992[14:03:33] <ksk> (and not related to your machine not booting)
• 993[14:03:55] <ksk> You did not state your PC does not boot initially ;) the kvm message has nothing to do with that.
• 994[14:04:16] <torchinz> A couple of weeks ago, I had shutdown my PC, took out the battery and had pushed the power button for 15-20s to reset the RAM. Ever since then, I have been getting this error
• 995[14:05:30] <torchinz> ksk, my PC boots into debian with those errors. In fact, I am chatting from the same laptop, booted into debian.
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• 997[14:06:08] <torchinz> ksk, also, what about the errors on "cannot load kernel modules"? (shared in the imgur link)
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• 999[14:07:22] <ksk> That will be the reason for your pc not booting most likely. I cannot tell you anything about that, nor how to get more information I`m afraid.
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• 1001[14:08:20] <ksk> I would try booting a linux live disk (like grml or so), chroot into the install and see if it logged anyhthing to journal.
• 1002[14:08:47] <torchinz> oh
• 1003[14:09:23] <torchinz> ksk, it's weird that the PC boots and debian works as usual. But the errors are bugging me, making me think something is broken somewhere
• 1004[14:09:42] <tinga> How can I change what IP address is used by default in a dynamically scoped way (env var or other)? Like "prever-ip $someipv6address bash" and then all processes started from that bash prompt are using $someipv6address as the default
• 1005[14:10:22] <qskwood> Interesting question. You mean in situations where the program cannot bind to a user-selected interface?
• 1006[14:11:04] <tinga> qskwood, I'm asking since I'd like to use ipv6 privacy extensions, but those would break long running ssh or IRC connections for example, which aren't private anyway.
• 1007[14:11:31] <tinga> So I want to use randomization by *default*, but then selectively disable it for the scopes where I do non-private work.
• 1008[14:11:52] <qskwood> I'm interested to hear an answer to that question, but I don't have one unfortunately.
• 1009[14:12:05] <qskwood> replaced-url
• 1010[14:12:15] <qskwood> Does the namespace stuff here look like what you're trying to do?
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• 1012[14:13:09] <tinga> Ah, looks interesting.
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• 1018[14:14:30] <tinga> "ip netns exec test_ns ip link set wlp2s0 up" -> Cannot open network namespace "test_ns": No such file or directory
• 1019[14:14:46] <tinga> k missing first step
• 1020[14:15:08] <tinga> I would like it to work as non-root user though
• 1021[14:15:18] <qskwood> My only IPv6 stuff is a single address on a residential connection and technically on some OVH machines.
• 1022[14:15:43] <qskwood> don't actually know how to use IPv6 on the OVH machines but I think they're one-address too.
• 1023[14:16:30] <tinga> qskwood, I've to 3 IPv6 addresses, probably due to me doing echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/default/use_tempaddr; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr
• 1024[14:16:37] <tinga> wait, replace 1 with 2!
• 1025[14:16:46] <tinga> iff you want it to be used by default
• 1026[14:16:54] <tinga> which is one thing I just figured out today
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• 1028[14:17:41] <tinga> Thing is I don't want to bind it to an interface; I want to bind to one of the ips on that interface.
• 1029[14:17:49] <tinga> And I want to do it as non-root.
• 1030[14:18:10] <tinga> And it's ok to just do it by default, if the app decides to explicitly choose another IP that's fine too.
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• 1032[14:22:56] <tinga> Maybe firejail does what I want, checking.
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• 1034[14:24:49] <ksk> tinga: network namespaces.
• 1035[14:25:27] <ksk> you can of course change outgoing IP by target (aka routing), or define a V6-device outgoing or not in general (prefered_lft)
• 1036[14:25:27] <tinga> ksk, that's what qskwood suggested, no?
• 1037[14:25:48] <ksk> seems so :)
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• 1039[14:27:02] <tinga> My understanding is that I have to set up the new namespace as root, and to run a new process with that namespace I'll have to do that as root as well (?) (and then su afterwards). That seems too convoluted to me right now.
• 1040[14:27:41] <tinga> Then there's something said about only 1 namespace can be used per interface, not sure if that makes it straight impossible
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• 1042[14:28:15] <tinga> (Sometimes I'm thinking Linux has become so complex.:( )
• 1043[14:28:38] <ksk> You are asking a rather complex thing :P
• 1044[14:28:50] <tinga> That *should* be something simple, no??
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• 1046[14:29:38] <ksk> Hell no, how could it be easy? There is nothing in IP for that purpose - there are only routes.
• 1047[14:30:20] <ksk> and routes are per target, not per app ( DEST: 8.8.8.8 goes to gateway 1.1.1.1 via device dev/foo )
• 1048[14:30:28] <tinga> I'm asking which of the n IPs on an interface to use by default. The kernel already is allowing me to choose, in a restricted way and globally, by saying 1 or 2 to use_tempaddr
• 1049[14:30:44] <ksk> by default the last added one will be used.
• 1050[14:30:52] <tinga> Now make that overridable per process (similar to env vars), and give me an API to set it, done.
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• 1052[14:31:57] <tinga> Now namespaces may be such an API (I've never studied it in detail). But some things just don't root, so allow me to use it as non-root for those.
• 1053[14:32:06] <tinga> don't *need
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• 1056[14:34:54] <tinga> ksk, re targets, I'm not sure we're misunderstanding each other, I'm talking about the from IP; which *local* IP an app should use for connections to (outside) IPs.
• 1057[14:35:09] <tinga> also, simply, should use as default
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• 1059[14:36:24] <ksk> I understand that, yes. Just trying to tell you why its not easily possible to archive :)
• 1060[14:36:49] <tinga> I still don't understand why not, or we still misunderstand.
• 1061[14:37:34] <tinga> So there are some bits in kernel space that configure the kernel to do things a certain way. Like, use_tempaddr, depending on wehter you put 1 or 2 in there, sets a bit somewhere that says whether the randomized IP should be preferred or not.
• 1062[14:38:30] <tinga> This bit is global. Now this is a bit that makes sense to have per process, inherited. Thats what I wish I had. There are per process data structures. Add to it the possibility to optionally set the bit in there (override the global setting).
• 1063[14:38:53] <tinga> And then give me a way to set that bit; very similar to env vars. Again, *might* be the namespace API, dunno.
• 1064[14:39:07] <tinga> I don't see why what I just described is not possible.
• 1065[14:39:14] <tinga> This has nothign to do with how networks work.
• 1066[14:39:28] <ksk> ask kernel people please. Its not as simple as you think imho.
• 1067[14:39:28] <tinga> The bit is already there--it's just that currently it's global only.
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• 1078[14:45:23] <tinga> For another example of such per-process inherited values see resource limits.
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• 1107[15:18:15] <tinga> ksk, FWIW, the replaced-url
• 1108[15:18:42] <otisolsen70> After updating to Debian 10/Buster, I get these errors in syslog all the time. replaced-url
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• 1111[15:21:42] <ksk> tinga: and they have patches for linux 2.3 - neat!
• 1112[15:22:02] <ksk> (vserver was a fork/patchset that was used before there was openvz, lxc, containers and the likes..)
• 1113[15:22:52] <ksk> okay nevermind, its their versioning, not the kernels :D
• 1114[15:23:00] <ksk> still, its really old and I dont know anyone still using it :P
• 1115[15:23:16] <tinga> My point was, it shows that it's possible to implement.
• 1116[15:23:57] <ksk> by adding something that will never go mailine? most likely!
• 1117[15:24:23] <tinga> You're moving the goal post now.
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• 1119[15:30:41] <tinga> (Here's the docs for the linux-vserver tool in question: replaced-url
• 1120[15:30:59] <tinga> So, again, it's possible and may have *been done and is upstream* and we simply don't understand yet how to use it.
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• 1122[15:31:45] <tinga> I need to go back to urgent work so can't dive into that rabbit hole right now but will get back to it some time.
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• 1129[15:38:18] <MrTrick> I'm loving the bashism (?) of `<(some op)` in a command to operate on temporary files...
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• 1131[15:38:32] <MrTrick> Anyone know if there's a way to create files that have a session lifetime?
• 1132[15:41:09] <tinga> You can create temp files and unlink them immediately but keep around an open file handle to them; when the process exits and the filehandle is closed, their space is deleted, too.
• 1133[15:41:52] <MrTrick> ah true.
• 1134[15:42:15] <MrTrick> if a command expects a file name, will it accept a file handle?
• 1135[15:42:49] <tinga> There's even a flag in Linux now that allows one to create temp files without creating an entry in the file system at all, IIRC. But you'd have to use C probably.
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• 1137[15:43:22] <tinga> MrTrick, you can pass /proc/self/fd/$n
• 1138[15:43:52] <MrTrick> ah okay. :-D I think I'll stop "optimising" now...
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• 1142[15:50:52] <ksk> tinga: did some googleing, seems it is not possible as a user. Guess that leaves you with sudo?
• 1143[15:51:42] <tinga> Vserver leader mentioned it was a question of permissions. But I can't study it now.
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• 1146[15:54:09] <ksk> tinga: I did not read, but replaced-url
• 1147[15:54:09] <ksk> Controlling access to user namespaces
• 1148[15:54:10] <ksk> "
• 1149[15:54:49] <ksk> ah btw, using an unpriviledged lxc container could solve your issue.
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• 1151[15:55:18] <ksk> afaik in debian you kind of tell the kernel "that user is allowd to create X bridges" and then you just use the lxc userspace tools to do some magic..
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• 1154[15:59:12] <tinga> k cool, will have a look, thanks
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• 1183[16:34:19] <dob1> hi
• 1184[16:34:25] <dob1> after updating to debian 10.4 I get a menu with " Daemons using outdated libraries"
• 1185[16:34:27] <dob1> what is this?
• 1186[16:35:20] <greycat> It's a list of daemons that are using libraries that got updated.
• 1187[16:35:24] <dob1> and before this one I got a menu with a warning about a reboot needed for the newer kernel that was installed (and it's ok)
• 1188[16:35:37] <greycat> If you reboot, that'll restart the daemons too.
• 1189[16:36:08] <dob1> ah ok!
• 1190[16:36:10] <dob1> thanks
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• 1192[16:36:51] <dob1> it's not the first update from 10.3 -> 10.4 that I made and it's the first time I saw this menu
• 1193[16:37:15] <greycat> you've got something different installed, or configured differently
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• 1196[16:37:58] <dob1> maybe docker from not debian repository
• 1197[16:38:20] <greycat> ,info needrestart
• 1198[16:38:21] <judd> Package needrestart (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: check which daemons need to be restarted after library upgrades. Version: 3.4-5; Size: 56.0k; Installed: 273k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 1199[16:39:18] <annadane> on that note, is it a good idea to close and restart the "binaries running outdated libraries" stuff? i tend to just let needrestart restart services and ignore the binaries
• 1200[16:40:06] <greycat> "if you have to ask, just reboot" is not a terribly policy in most cases
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• 1216[16:56:21] <dob1> I am a bit confused: I have rebooted but every time I use apt to install a pacakge I get "Running kernel seems to be up-to-date." , "No services need to be restarted." ...
• 1217[16:56:53] <dob1> can I suppress these messages?
• 1218[16:57:01] <raub> One thing I like in yum/dnf is that I can have repos disabled such that I can specify I want to get a package from a specific repo but not everything else (in case said special repo has a newer package than normal repos). How can I do that in debian?
• 1219[16:57:07] <greycat> Sounds like you want to remove or reconfigure the needrestart package.
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• 1222[17:00:15] <greycat> raub: sounds like you want to look at "pinning". But realistically, Debian was not designed to work like Ubuntu with a bunch of crappy repositories that you only half-trust. Debian repositories are massive and comprehensive.
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• 1228[17:02:51] <raub> I was going to ask at the #ubuntu channel but they act like this kind of question is off-topic
• 1229[17:03:41] <raub> greycat: ^^^
• 1230[17:04:37] <raub> BTW, reason of my question is that I am building ansible playbooks and want to make them as transparent regarding repos between centos and debian/ubunu as possible
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• 1234[17:08:26] <greycat> It is utterly preposterous to expect that you can write a single mindless-robot-thing that will treat three completely different operating systems identically.
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• 1256[17:27:20] <Sora> does anyone know what I can use to run my own nameserver (for a domain name), that allows me to quickly change the A records via scripting
• 1257[17:28:17] <greycat> DJB's tinydns would work. I think PowerDNS is a derivative of it, and might have some scriptability, but I've never used it.
• 1258[17:28:53] <greycat> #dns would be a good place to ask, too
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• 1327[18:35:39] <JustTheDoctor> should i put apps in /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin and whats the difference?
• 1328[18:36:09] <greycat> If they're not packaged, you should be using /usr/local.
• 1329[18:36:16] <JustTheDoctor> Thank you greycat
• 1330[18:36:30] <JustTheDoctor> my next task is trying to get OLD packages compiled ;(
• 1331[18:36:33] <miskatonic> /usr/bin is for apps installed by apt*, /usr/local/bin for foreign things
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• 1335[18:37:46] <JustTheDoctor> how would this happen? bash: /usr/local/bin/deviantd: No such file or directory ls /usr/local/bin/ deviant-cli deviantd deviant-qt deviant-tx test_deviant test_deviant-qt
• 1336[18:38:25] <uplime> what does `ls -lA /usr/local/bin/deviantd` say?
• 1337[18:38:37] <uplime> erm, `ls -l /usr/local/bin/deviantd` **
• 1338[18:38:49] <JustTheDoctor> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 11436508 Jun 24 18:36 /usr/local/bin/deviantd and the /usr/local/bin/deviantd is in green
• 1339[18:39:02] <JustTheDoctor> same
• 1340[18:39:23] <greycat> What does "file /usr/local/bin/deviantd" say?
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• 1342[18:39:48] <JustTheDoctor> this -> /usr/local/bin/deviantd: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.24, BuildID[sha1]=e3634f1119128498f401abe23c51d12a3ae500ca, stripped
• 1343[18:40:14] <greycat> Are you on a 32-bit (i386) install, or a 64-bit (amd64) install? If it's an amd64 install, you'll need to enable multiarch, and install some i386 libs.
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• 1347[18:41:50] <JustTheDoctor> greycat is a new server i just got access to, dont know much about the setup yet, how would i find out?
• 1348[18:42:12] <greycat> !multiarch
• 1349[18:42:13] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
• 1350[18:42:13] <dijong_> replaced-url
• 1351[18:44:05] <JustTheDoctor> oh so i have the 32bit on a 64bit machine?
• 1352[18:46:02] <JustTheDoctor> Thank you greycat, i just downloaded the 64bit
• 1353[18:46:05] <greycat> if "file /usr/bin/dpkg" (or similar commands) show 64-bit, then yes
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• 1377[19:03:23] <Georgeoftown> hi some help to do this on debian, the part of /boot/cmdline.txt and the /boot/config.txt
• 1378[19:03:33] <Georgeoftown> replaced-url
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• 1382[19:06:28] <no_gravity> Good Afternoon
• 1383[19:06:30] <no_gravity> I wonder if it is possible to add "Open in vim on the command line" to the Gnome file browser right click menu?
• 1384[19:06:57] <greycat> s/on the command line/in a terminal/
• 1385[19:07:16] <Georgeoftown> for me?
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• 1387[19:08:25] <greycat> figure out whether the GNOME file manager already has a builtin feature to run commands in a terminal. If so, use that. If not, write a wrapper script that launches vim in your favorite terminal emulator.
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• 1398[19:18:38] <JustTheDoctor> how can i find out if there is a firewall running?
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• 1402[19:22:46] <jmcnaught> no_gravity: the nautilus-scripts-manager package might be useful for this, but I haven't used it yet.
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• 1405[19:23:34] <no_gravity> jmcnaught: Hmm.. I have no idea :)
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• 1409[19:25:24] <jmcnaught> no_gravity: actually I just right-clicked on a text file in Nautilus, selected "open with other application", clicked Vim and it opened in vim in gnome-terminal.
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• 1411[19:26:31] <no_gravity> jmcnaught: Hmm.. it does absolutely nothing when I do that here.
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• 1415[19:27:37] <no_gravity> jmcnaught: "ps aux | grep vim" comes back empty. So I guess it either did not start vim or exited immediately.
• 1416[19:27:42] <greycat> jmcnaught: are you sure there's no checkbox for "run in a terminal" or something?
• 1417[19:28:05] <greycat> also, there are multiple vim packages, and maybe you've got one of the fancy x11 backend ones
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• 1424[19:30:47] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. Where do I go to see if mysql-workbench has been renamed in Buster?
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• 1427[19:31:32] <sney> there isn't really a one-stop shop but tracker.debian.org is a good place to start
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• 1429[19:31:41] <Lady_Aleena> Packages for it are only listed for jessie, stretch, and sid.
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• 1432[19:32:33] <miskatonic> Mysql is replaced by Mariadb. Maybe its'n now something with mariadb?
• 1433[19:32:38] <sney> probably.
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• 1435[19:32:55] <jmcnaught> greycat, no_gravity: no "run in terminal", that is set in /usr/share/applications/vim.desktop (in vim-common package)
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• 1438[19:33:25] <sney> and packages are removed from testing automatically; removing from sid has to be done intentionally, so sometimes abandoned/incompatible packages will languish in sid after not being in a couple of stable releases
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• 1440[19:33:51] <Lady_Aleena> miskatonic, I saw that. I am looking for a gui for it.
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• 1446[19:34:42] <no_gravity> jmcnaught: It has "Terminal=true" in that file.
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• 1449[19:34:49] <Lady_Aleena> That is unless MariaDB came with a gui I don't know about.
• 1450[19:35:51] <sney> oh look, a list: replaced-url
• 1451[19:35:52] <miskatonic> a gui client? or a gui tool for server administration?
• 1452[19:35:58] <sney> I'm sure some of those are in debian
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• 1454[19:36:32] <Lady_Aleena> sney, I am on that page now, but I got tired of googling.
• 1455[19:36:41] <sney> just search apt for the names
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• 1458[19:37:32] <Lady_Aleena> miskatonic, I am thinking about learning SQL.
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• 1467[19:41:02] <Lady_Aleena> Oh well, I just finished the list and couldn't find any Buster packages unless my search-fu is really really bad today.
• 1468[19:43:21] <Lady_Aleena> Thanks.
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• 1503[20:11:37] <esaym153> so I need to upgrade a jessie box to buster. Should I upgrade to stretch first or go straight to buster?
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• 1505[20:12:10] <greycat> stretch first
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• 1556[20:41:30] <esaym153> figured, thanks
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• 1563[20:45:42] <annadane> "2 years of updates and paradigm shifts? i know! let's skip a release!"
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• 1567[20:49:48] <greycat> The upgrade process is only tested for single release jumps, never multiple release jumps.
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• 1605[21:18:41] <oerheks> br/clear
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• 1664[21:51:10] <boubou> hey guys
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• 1666[21:51:28] <boubou> paste
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• 1672[21:56:41] <boubou> replaced-url
• 1673[21:57:00] <boubou> anyone can point me in the right ways please ?
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• 1678[22:01:03] <annadane> boubou, what command did you run and are you on debian stable?
• 1679[22:01:17] <annadane> ,v libc-bin
• 1680[22:01:19] <judd> Package: libc-bin on amd64 -- jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u4; buster: 2.28-10; bullseye: 2.30-8; sid: 2.30-8; experimental: 2.31-0experimental2
• 1681[22:01:46] <annadane> 2.30 isn't in buster so you're probably on testing/sid
• 1682[22:01:55] <boubou> # cat /etc/debian_version
• 1683[22:01:55] <boubou> bullseye/sid
• 1684[22:02:00] <annadane> if so, try #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
• 1685[22:02:05] <annadane> (not freenode)
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• 1687[22:04:05] <boubou> otherwise, does it has a forum ?
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• 1691[22:07:16] <annadane> not officially
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• 1693[22:07:30] <annadane> there are debian forums, though, or reddit has a debian subreddit
• 1694[22:08:36] <jmcnaught> The Debian forums don't use https so don't reuse passwords.
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• 1696[22:09:23] <boubou> debian-next is invite only :(
• 1697[22:09:28] <greycat> not sure what "Debian forums" you mean specifically
• 1698[22:09:32] <greycat> boubou: wrong IRC network
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• 1702[22:11:48] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
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• 1707[22:15:09] <annadane> i said, oftc, not freenode
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• 1709[22:15:34] <boubou> yes
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• 1717[22:24:34] <mason> So, Ubuntu as of 20.04 has functionality in grub-efi-amd64 that will let you populate multiple ESPs, much the same way grub-pc would let you select multiple MBRs and keep them up to date. Anyone know if this is being considered for Debian?
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• 1722[22:27:01] <sney> it may be in sid or testing already, have you checked? ubuntu doesn't pioneer many new features so much as they release more often
• 1723[22:28:22] <FightingFalcon> Hello, how do i fix this error: replaced-url
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• 1725[22:28:46] <sney> FightingFalcon: what happens when you run 'apt -f install'?
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• 1727[22:29:18] <FightingFalcon> replaced-url
• 1728[22:29:18] <FightingFalcon> this
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• 1730[22:29:43] <sney> ok, and when you hit enter?
• 1731[22:29:50] <FightingFalcon> Shall i press Y and enter?
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• 1733[22:30:17] <sney> the capital Y means it's the default so enter is enough
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• 1735[22:31:05] <FightingFalcon> replaced-url
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• 1737[22:31:43] <sney> looks like it worked to me. the '-f' is short for --fix-broken, as your first paste suggested *twice*
• 1738[22:31:46] <tomreyn> "5 not fully installed or removed." though, you're not done there, yet
• 1739[22:32:19] <tomreyn> "65 not upgraded"
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• 1741[22:32:44] <FightingFalcon> all done
• 1742[22:32:45] <FightingFalcon> thanks
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• 1745[22:34:40] <mason> sney: I thought I'd checked at first, but I may be confused. I'll check again.
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• 1754[22:41:44] <tomreyn> replaced-url
• 1755[22:41:45] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1759[22:44:12] <alexrelis[m]> I'm Alex. Just thought I'd join the Debian IRC gravy train. I've been using Debian for many years now and I want to start giving back.
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• 1761[22:46:32] <tomreyn> good plan there, welcome alex!
• 1762[22:46:50] <sney> you may want to scrap the matrix bridge and use an actual irc client, the integration can be wonky
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• 1765[22:49:46] <alexrelis[m]> sney: I'll see how it goes, lol.
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• 1781[23:04:06] <annadane> is there any reading material of debian backups, i'm just trying to think what would be best for as close to a faithful full reproduction of a system as possible (same permissions, entire root file system including /home, packages)
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• 1783[23:04:56] <mason> annadane: Look at stuff like Amanda and Bacula.
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• 1788[23:11:05] <annadane> (free software will never cease to amaze me) thanks
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• 1797[23:16:36] * dvs would have said clonezilla
• 1798[23:17:15] <annadane> ABC :P
• 1799[23:17:21] <annadane> i'll look at all of those
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• 1802[23:17:54] <bipul> Hi, i'm unable to update kernel using update-initramfs -c -k 5.6.9
• 1803[23:17:56] <annadane> clonezilla is definitely the one i've seen most recommended though
• 1804[23:18:10] <avu> borgbackup <3
• 1805[23:18:22] <bipul> it says W: but no matching swap device is available.
• 1806[23:18:37] <bipul> gzip: stdout: No space left on device
• 1807[23:18:46] <sney> bipul: is /boot full?
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• 1809[23:19:01] <greycat> Nice clear error message. Not sure why you need our help.
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• 1811[23:20:08] <bipul> ./dev/sda1 ext2 236M 63M 161M 28% /boot
• 1812[23:20:14] <bipul> nops it does not looks to be full
• 1813[23:20:25] <greycat> Then some other file system was.
• 1814[23:20:56] <bipul> other file system was where?
• 1815[23:21:08] <greycat> How would we know? It's your computer.
• 1816[23:21:29] <sney> there also doesn't seem to be a 5.6.9 kernel in debian anywhere
• 1817[23:21:51] <bipul> ./boot is ext2
• 1818[23:22:21] <greycat> ,kernels
• 1819[23:22:22] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.7.0-rc5-686 (5.7~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 5.6.0-2-686-pae (5.6.14-2); bullseye: 5.6.0-2-686-pae (5.6.14-2); buster-backports: 5.6.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.6.14-2~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-9-686 (4.19.118-2+deb10u1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-12-686-pae (4.9.210-1+deb9u1); jessie-backports:
• 1820[23:22:23] <judd> 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1)
• 1821[23:22:25] <sney> maybe your custom kernel is making a >161M initrd and it is running out of space in /boot
• 1822[23:22:45] <bipul> it was huge it tooks to me whole day to compile.
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• 1824[23:22:48] <bipul> 16 GB
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• 1830[23:26:28] <sney> well there you go. if you're going to play with custom kernels you should have a /boot that isn't so tiny you run into this. your kernel image and initrd need to live in that partition.
• 1831[23:26:30] <bipul> greycat, Could you tell me where to figure it out??
• 1832[23:26:42] <sney> ~256M is fine for a normal debian stable system, but lol
• 1833[23:26:42] <apt> okay, sney
• 1834[23:26:53] * sney frowns at the backup bot
• 1835[23:26:57] <sney> apt: forget 256M
• 1836[23:26:58] <apt> sney: i forgot 256m
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• 1839[23:28:14] <annadane> !lart apt
• 1840[23:28:14] * dpkg chops apt in half with a free Solaris 7 CD
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• 1844[23:29:18] <bipul> ??
• 1845[23:29:45] <bipul> sney, How to check and verify that ?
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• 1847[23:30:17] <greycat> Either some *other* file system filled up, which you would learn by running "df" and reading the output, or /boot filled up because you're creating a tremendously large initrd image, in which case you need to free up some space in /boot or relocate/enlarge it.
• 1848[23:30:37] <nvz> it figures, the one time you're NOT trying to get apt's attention..
• 1849[23:30:45] <greycat> This is not rocket science, and if you're building custom kernels, you should be able to figure this out.
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• 1852[23:31:39] <nvz> and yes, tiny /boot/ or such is a common reason you'll get failures to install a kernel
• 1853[23:32:21] <sney> bipul: update-initramfs creates a tmpfs, then compresses it with gzip and puts it in /boot. you can't put a 16GB file in a 236M partition, even compressed, it will not fit. Just look at the numbers and apply a tiny amount of brainpower. it's obvious.
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• 1855[23:32:55] <bipul> 7.8M initrd.img-5.6.9-amd64
• 1856[23:33:24] <sney> and how big is vmlinuz?
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• 1858[23:33:44] <nvz> stock images are about 5mb with 35mb initrd
• 1859[23:33:59] <bipul> 5.9M bzImage-5.6.9
• 1860[23:34:20] <sney> well then what were you saying was 16GB earlier?
• 1861[23:34:34] <bipul> The size of a directory
• 1862[23:34:43] <sney> if you give us crap information how do you expect help. anyway, this is still a non-debian kernel so you are really on your own
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• 1864[23:35:20] <bipul> sorry it's 17GB directory linux-5.6.9/
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• 1866[23:35:29] <greycat> The source directory? That doesn't matter.
• 1867[23:35:38] <sney> !fundamentals
• 1868[23:35:39] <dpkg> You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at replaced-url
• 1869[23:35:41] <bipul> okay
• 1870[23:36:02] <the_sniff> Hey. Got a cifs mount that works with hardlinks on debian 7 and debian 8. I'm trying to mount it to a new Debian 10 server, but can't get hardlinks to be enabled on it
• 1871[23:36:12] <greycat> (Unless, of course, the source directory is where you ran out of space, but again, you would run "df" and SEE THIS. You did run "df", right? And read the whole thing?)
• 1872[23:36:16] <the_sniff> using the same options for both mounts on /etc/fstab
• 1873[23:36:44] <nvz> the_sniff: fwiw options aren't in /etc/fstab
• 1874[23:37:12] <greycat> I think they're saying it's a Debian client mounting a file system exported by Windows.
• 1875[23:37:16] <nvz> they're in /etc/mtab the stuff in /etc/fstab is just the options you've specified
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• 1877[23:37:24] <nvz> there are defaults applied
• 1878[23:37:52] <nvz> you need to examine the output of just "mount" or /etc/mtab to ensure the same options were used
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• 1881[23:38:23] <bipul> greycat, It's okay , but my concern is i'm not able to create the initramfs for a kernel using update-initramfs -c -k 5.6.9
• 1882[23:38:36] <greycat> Ok, bye then.
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• 1884[23:38:50] <bipul> :)
• 1885[23:40:17] <nvz> bipul: df -Th | nc termbin.com 9999
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• 1889[23:40:56] * nvz sees this in the backlog..
• 1890[23:41:05] <the_sniff> nvz thanks, i'll check
• 1891[23:41:21] <nvz> 63M is probably smaller than the initrd its generating.. and it probably needs space to store it uncompressed before compressing it
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• 1893[23:41:52] <nvz> if you just simply want to make that initramfs image you need to add another option..
• 1894[23:42:11] <nvz> -b .
• 1895[23:42:13] <nvz> or such
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• 1898[23:42:27] <nvz> to tell it to make it in the current working directory where you apparently have more space
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• 1900[23:42:41] <nvz> then if its less than 63mb when you're done, you can manually move it
• 1901[23:43:14] <bipul> okay
• 1902[23:43:53] <nvz> really you probably need to remove some kernels you're not using or make a larger /boot
• 1903[23:44:21] <bipul> or may be i can give more space
• 1904[23:44:29] <bipul> at ./boot
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• 1908[23:45:34] <bipul> nvz, I have 161M free in ,/boot
• 1909[23:46:06] <bipul> 63M is being occupied with old kernel data
• 1910[23:46:14] <nvz> yeah well considering you can't even get the syntax right I can't believe any of it
• 1911[23:47:24] <nvz> ./boot is relative to the CWD and typically means to run a executable file called 'boot' that can be found in the CWD
• 1912[23:47:40] <nvz> whatever you're doing is wrong simply because you're doing it
• 1913[23:48:34] <bipul> ok
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• 1920[23:52:16] <bipul> nvz, yes
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• 1922[23:52:27] <nvz> I have a /boot the same size on another machine here.. and I been ignoring a failure to install a 5.6 kernel for months now.. I just removed one of my custom kernels, and it successfully installed the 5.6 one
• 1923[23:52:55] <bipul> -b options revealed the issue
• 1924[23:52:57] <nvz> its the sid 5.6 kernel, its 5.6M and the initrd is 60M
• 1925[23:53:22] <nvz> leaves me with 13M on /boot with 3 kernels installed
• 1926[23:53:38] <bipul> 280M initrd.img-5.6.9
• 1927[23:53:45] <nvz> o.O
• 1928[23:54:15] <bipul> nvz, Thank you for pointing out the issue. :) i'm also new to it
• 1929[23:54:24] <nvz> yeah, we hadn't noticed
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• 1931[23:54:39] * bipul is new to kernel development
• 1932[23:54:43] <nvz> you got issues if your initrd is 280M
• 1933[23:54:52] <bipul> yes sir
• 1934[23:55:07] <nvz> I can put an entire debian base system in a ramdisk image smaller than that
• 1935[23:55:33] <bipul> nvz, Any example or link where i can look for?
• 1936[23:55:35] <nvz> the initrd is only suppose to be a bare minimum environment for doing things absolutely essential to booting, like finding the rootfs
• 1937[23:55:58] <nvz> stuff like lvm, cryptsetup, disk controller drivers.. etc
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• 1939[23:56:38] <nvz> bipul: idk I'm reluctant to support an issue from the arse end..
• 1940[23:56:54] <nvz> wherever you went wrong is likely many steps before where you're focused now :P
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• 1942[23:57:16] <sney> enable all the things!
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• 1947[23:58:50] <bipul> :(
• 1948[23:58:52] <nvz> compiling a kernel isnt a simple task.. even for people like me who have multiple certifications and been using and supporting debian and building kernels for nearly two decades..
• 1949[23:59:00] <nvz> these new kernels got a plethora of options
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• 1951[23:59:17] <nvz> last one I rolled I set a value wrong and was only seeing half my cpus :P
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• 1953[23:59:42] <quadrathoch2> nvz thanks for pointing that out ;) still having issues building kernels :/ and I was trying to tell me I am too stupid for that :(
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