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4 [00:01:41] <tomreyn> XLS202: i see what you mean. it's interesting that the first packet was lost, i had expected it to be randomly, or to the end.
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8 [00:03:45] <XLS202> tomreyn: I just looked at the other tests, and its allways the first one
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11 [00:08:17] <tomreyn> hmm i'm not skilled enough in networking to speculate on possible causes
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14 [00:09:02] <XLS202> the thing that confueses me the most is the second test. Because it sends 5 packets instead of 4...
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78 [01:13:34] <n4dir> if i start gnome-sound-recorder to test a usb microphone, the window is pretty empty. It has on "record" button and a menu entry with preferences. But how would i tell it which microphone to use?
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83 [01:16:53] <tomreyn> if it doesn't have a frontend for selecting the recording device then it probably just uses whatever is setup as the default device in pulseaudio
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85 [01:17:59] <n4dir> and i could check that for pulseaudio with pavucontrol ?
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88 [01:18:31] <tomreyn> yes, probably, or gnome settings
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91 [01:19:28] <n4dir> can't find anything according in pavucontrol
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93 [01:19:57] <tomreyn> input devices -> port
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97 [01:21:14] <n4dir> there is only "video" as port.
98 [01:21:36] <tomreyn> and the device is a video card?
99 [01:22:01] <n4dir> no.
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101 [01:23:22] <n4dir> i had to change "show" to "hardware input devices" to see microphones
102 [01:23:38] <tomreyn> i don't have a usb connected input device here currently, so can't check what it should look like. but i'm convinced it should have shown on the input devices tab
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107 [01:29:55] <n4dir> [ 4070.849308] hid-generic 0003:0D8C:013C.0007: input,hidraw3: USB HID v1.00 Device [C-Media Electronics Inc. USB PnP Sound Device] on usb-0000:00:1d.1-2/input2
108 [01:30:46] <n4dir> is the output of dmesg; pavucontrol has mic1, mic2, line in and analog input. Tried all of them, none worked, what might i be missing?
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120 [01:42:33] <n4dir> ok, *while* recording i had also to make a choice in the "recording" tab of pavucontrol. Jesus, what a nightmare.
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122 [01:42:42] <n4dir> anyway, works now, thanks.
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177 [02:36:29] <hussar> i just downloaded a -dev package. How do I look at the source code?
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206 [03:14:44] <coruja> !source
207 [03:14:45] <dpkg> As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; retrieve dependencies with <apt-get build-dep>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy> <source package>
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241 [03:57:25] <binaryhermit> regarding the burn comment, I understand where it comes from and should have kept my mouth shut
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288 [04:56:03] <hussar> dpkg: what's the point of the libsixel-dev package if i need to download the source anyway?
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290 [04:56:04] <dpkg> hussar: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
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292 [04:56:49] <quadrathoch2> hussar because it's the developer package, not the source
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299 [05:06:46] <CrystalMath> hi all
300 [05:06:56] <CrystalMath> is it possible to run debian without udev?
301 [05:07:02] <CrystalMath> using static device files?
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306 [05:11:46] <ectospasm> udev is part of the kernel, right? You may want to start there.
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308 [05:14:28] <CrystalMath> not really
309 [05:14:30] <CrystalMath> it's userspace
310 [05:14:33] <CrystalMath> DevFS is in the kernel
311 [05:16:29] <joepublic> out of curiosity, is the goal to remove udev itself, or to remove something else that requires removing udev?
312 [05:17:08] <CrystalMath> the goal is removing udev itself and going back to static device files in /dev
313 [05:18:07] <CrystalMath> i think udev should be optional
314 [05:19:10] <CrystalMath> perhaps i will make a package called static-device-files
315 [05:19:13] <CrystalMath> it will provide udev
316 [05:19:27] <joepublic> sounds reasonable on the face of it
317 [05:19:29] <CrystalMath> but it will just extract a ton of predefined device nodes into /dev
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333 [05:46:44] <wugapodes> On sid with kde-plasma-desktop, whenever I use libreoffice the system will freeze up after a few minutes. I can still access tty. How should I diagnose the problem so that I can make a useful bug report?
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341 [05:57:36] <quadrathoch2> !testing | wugapodes
342 [05:57:43] <quadrathoch2> !testing
343 [05:57:44] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <bullseye>. See replaced-url
344 [05:57:54] <quadrathoch2> wrong channel ;)
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347 [06:03:47] <wugapodes> thanks for the lead quadrathoc2
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389 [07:00:34] <bigfluff> Gah, anyone else ever fire up their machine and remember how great Debian is?
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393 [07:07:01] <Logg> i never turn my computer off so that i won't be away from how great debian is
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397 [07:08:08] <bigfluff> Ah, I am a mostly mobile user
398 [07:08:16] <bigfluff> Bedside Debian
399 [07:08:38] <Logg> what phone runs Debian?
400 [07:09:02] <bigfluff> Laptop
401 [07:09:40] <Logg> replaced-url
402 [07:09:43] <Logg> neat.
403 [07:10:29] <bigfluff> I've already told my wife that when our mobile contract is up I'm going to a $15/m Tracfone + a $20 flip-fone
404 [07:10:54] <bigfluff> I carry my laptop with me everywhere, no need for repetitiveness
405 [07:10:56] <bracham> i'm somewhat following the pinephone, and i'm not sure about debian, but the ubuntu version is apparently nearly fully useful
406 [07:11:12] <bracham> not the right term, but i'm tired
407 [07:11:44] <Logg> as long as it has mobile hotspot, bigfluff
408 [07:12:06] <bigfluff> Logg: still not sure on that one
409 [07:12:36] <bigfluff> I can put in for a mobile jet-pack or whatever now, my work would approve it I'm sure
410 [07:13:19] <Logg> Mention me if you find one that does. I've been looking and none of the flip phones seem to offer that functionality. There are routers with sim cards, but they can't make phone calls.
411 [07:14:21] <bracham> the couple flip phones i
412 [07:14:33] <bracham> 've seen the last few years don't even use wifi
413 [07:14:46] <bigfluff> Yeah, I don't want a fancy phone either because I want compatibility with Tracfone and their super-cheap call/sms unlimited
414 [07:15:00] <bigfluff> The jet-pack, I wouldn't pay for personally :>
415 [07:15:24] <bracham> is that just one of those personal hotspot things?
416 [07:15:46] <bigfluff> Yeah, I have no idea what they're called
417 [07:16:06] <bracham> i can't remember
418 [07:16:30] <bigfluff> About the size of a flip-phone, but a little mini-router of sorts
419 [07:16:57] <bigfluff> I've only had a phone for like two years now
420 [07:17:02] <bracham> right. would be kinda handy, but at the same time i'd find it useless as all our phones already have good data packages
421 [07:17:35] <bigfluff> Smartphone == overconnected
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424 [07:18:33] <bracham> that's subject to personal opinion, of course
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426 [07:18:59] <Logg> lol @ this sentence from replaced-url
427 [07:19:06] <Logg> > It would be great if the GNOME, KDE and other GUI communities could come to agreement on a common UI for Debian, to save unnecessary duplication of development effort, both of the Debian UI, and application software for Debian.
428 [07:19:12] <Logg> Gnome can't even agree with itself
429 [07:19:28] <bracham> but i can't wait until the pinephone or such is fully functional and i can mostly ditch alot of the big corp stuff
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433 [07:22:07] <Logg> someone should tell pinephone that the term "haptic motor" is preferred to "vibrator" on this page replaced-url
434 [07:23:41] <bracham> i see vibrator...
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436 [07:24:11] <bracham> oh i see
437 [07:24:14] <bracham> haha!
438 [07:24:18] <bracham> like i said, i'm tired
439 [07:25:02] <quadrathoch2> imho it's just more known than haptic motor ^^
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443 [07:29:17] <mi11k1> i need help. I gotta get this right the first time. I have buster and bullseye installed on 2 seperate drives. its a headless machine. i modified /etc/default/grub and forgot to update grub, so im back to the os I dont want. how do I update the grub on the other drive?
444 [07:29:41] <mi11k1> you know what i mean, lol
445 [07:29:47] <mi11k1> poor explanation, sorry
446 [07:30:07] <mi11k1> like I said, cant access bios to change boot order
447 [07:30:20] <mi11k1> nm
448 [07:30:23] <bracham> will the current grub show the other drive?
449 [07:30:45] <mi11k1> im an idiot. i just need to modify the /etc/default/grub on this os
450 [07:30:52] <mi11k1> and i should be good
451 [07:30:53] <Logg> if you're in the "os you don't want" & both drives are connected to the system, yeah, just update grub
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453 [07:32:27] <bracham> yeah if you just want access to both, and don't care which OS controls grub, just modify and update/install grub from the current
454 [07:32:50] <mi11k1> im rebooting now, hope i hope its # 2
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457 [07:34:04] <mi11k1> good to go. thanks ppl
458 [07:34:34] <mi11k1> now, wheres my car keys?
459 [07:34:40] <bracham> i'm picky and when i have multiple linux distros on a system, i prefer to have a specific distro run grub. some distros allow not installing grub (like debian, IIRC), but others, like ubuntu, force you to install grub
460 [07:35:00] <Logg> on the floor behind your bed
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462 [07:35:02] <mi11k1> i dont usually do. i tried testing and ran into a bunch of stuff
463 [07:35:14] <bracham> don't usually do what?
464 [07:35:26] <mi11k1> for zoneminder, so the 2nd drive is intended for that
465 [07:35:35] <mi11k1> have 2 os's installed
466 [07:36:31] <mi11k1> ive been messing with bootstrap, its what i want to start doing
467 [07:36:34] <bracham> ah ok. i have one system where ubuntu is installed twice, but once is a main, and the second is an experimental setup where i'll play around with it more. then i have windows 7 installed beside them
468 [07:36:55] <mi11k1> i use VM's for most
469 [07:37:34] <bracham> i use older machines that I got either dirt cheap or given to me, so multiboot works better
470 [07:37:48] <mi11k1> me too, but i got lucky recently
471 [07:37:51] <bigfluff> What is the best VM setup (host, i.e. VirtualBox?) for Debian?
472 [07:37:59] <mi11k1> got give an r620 with 256 meg of ram
473 [07:38:12] <mi11k1> i use proxmox
474 [07:38:16] <bracham> 256MB RAM?
475 [07:38:18] <mi11k1> its debian based
476 [07:38:24] <mi11k1> sorry , gig
477 [07:38:28] <bracham> oh wow
478 [07:38:42] <bracham> is that a server unit?
479 [07:38:46] <bigfluff> Ah, I am looking for something to run Windows etc on my lappy :)
480 [07:38:53] <mi11k1> yah rack mounted dell
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482 [07:39:06] <mi11k1> virtualbox is pretty good
483 [07:39:07] <bracham> i would love something like that
484 [07:39:11] <mi11k1> i use it on my i5 laptop
485 [07:39:28] <bracham> my personal/home server is just an old desktop
486 [07:39:40] <mi11k1> i have lots of those
487 [07:39:54] <mi11k1> i got most of my stuff from electronics recycling
488 [07:40:27] <mi11k1> the hardware store had a seacan full of stuff
489 [07:41:08] <mi11k1> this was years ago. ppl dont know you can have a new computer by installing linux
490 [07:41:15] <somiaj> libvirt and kvm-qemu is a nice alternative if you want something fully in debian and native in the linux kernel.
491 [07:41:43] <mi11k1> somiaj, yah it works, but i find theres a learning curve
492 [07:41:48] <bracham> mi11k1, yeah exactly!
493 [07:41:54] <mi11k1> for simplicity virtualbox
494 [07:42:03] <mi11k1> for windows vms especially
495 [07:42:21] <bigfluff> Hmm, I'll have to play around
496 [07:42:32] <bigfluff> Pretty sure I want to do it the 'most Debian' way
497 [07:42:53] <mi11k1> is the machine intended for just vm's?
498 [07:43:31] <somiaj> virt-manager's gui make things fairly similar to virtualbox
499 [07:43:59] <mi11k1> yah, i run it currently and go through ssh
500 [07:44:14] <mi11k1> spice is nice
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502 [07:44:26] <mi11k1> some sugar too
503 [07:45:11] <Jmabsd> I have a curious problem: My Debian stable with the 5.4, will blackscreen on boot. I tested with both an old and a recent Radeon card.
504 [07:45:21] <Jmabsd> Thoughts about how fix? When googling for it I see it discussed online though no obvious solutions.
505 [07:45:31] <mi11k1> Jmabsd, edit the command and add nomodeset
506 [07:45:40] <mi11k1> after the quiet
507 [07:45:40] <somiaj> or add the firmware needed for your gpu
508 [07:46:01] <somiaj> nomodeset is a poor solution, since it just disables all gpu acceleration and uses software solutions
509 [07:46:08] <mi11k1> just to get in
510 [07:46:24] <somiaj> if you just need to boot, swtich to a tty or use multi-user.target
511 [07:46:25] <mi11k1> did you add non-free?
512 [07:46:36] <mi11k1> in sources?
513 [07:46:38] <Jmabsd> mi11k1: Yeah
514 [07:46:42] <mi11k1> whats lspci say?
515 [07:46:46] <Jmabsd> somiaj: exactly nomodeset is poor
516 [07:46:46] <mi11k1> whats the card/
517 [07:47:02] <Jmabsd> mi11k1: yes i added the non-free.
518 [07:47:10] <mi11k1> you might need to flick something in bios
519 [07:47:17] <Jmabsd> one of them is a Vega 64 8GB. the other one is some 2011 Radeon model
520 [07:47:18] <mi11k1> does it have onboard?
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522 [07:47:33] <Jmabsd> the system does not have onboard graphics. also this system does not have a bios.
523 [07:47:43] <mi11k1> no bios?
524 [07:48:23] <mi11k1> did you try with just one card?
525 [07:49:05] <mi11k1> sometimes the slot matter I think. on one of mine it has 2 slots, but only one works with graphics card
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528 [07:50:59] <bracham> Jmabsd, what do you mean by no bios?
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536 [07:56:22] <Jmabsd> mi11k1: indeed it's a special EFI firmware machine.
537 [07:56:31] <Jmabsd> i tried with both cards, separately
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540 [08:01:41] <mi11k1> Jmabsd, whats the board?
541 [08:01:49] <mi11k1> does dmesg tell u anything?
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543 [08:02:58] <Jmabsd> mi11k1: an old dual Xeon
544 [08:03:05] <Jmabsd> i can't see the screen so nothing interesting in dmesg
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550 [08:09:51] <mi11k1> Jmabsd, can somebody please tell Jmabsd to use the mac iso if hes using a mac.
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552 [08:10:15] <mi11k1> its logical I think
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554 [08:10:40] <mi11k1> or whats the diff? am i wrong?
555 [08:11:04] <Jmabsd> mi11k1: i should look into it. but the radeon blackscreen issue seems to be reported online for normal PCs
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557 [08:11:46] <mi11k1> i would start with installing the iso intended for that machine
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559 [08:12:08] <mi11k1> i used one a few years ago, it solved it for me
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561 [08:12:43] <mi11k1> somebody told me to use the mac iso, and i was like, whaaaaa?
562 [08:13:17] <mi11k1> and no shit, there was a mac iso, problem solved.
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564 [08:13:41] <mi11k1> then i instaled windows 10 on it
565 [08:13:52] <mi11k1> it was somebody elses.
566 [08:14:41] <mi11k1> after wasting 12 hours trying to go passed mountain lion or something stupid
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570 [08:16:43] <mi11k1> Jmabsd, maybe its supposed to have matching cards?
571 [08:17:09] <mi11k1> i forget if the one i fixed had 2 cards, but it had 2 outputs for video
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573 [08:17:31] <mi11k1> 4 hd's and 2 cards with ram
574 [08:18:02] <mi11k1> has to be ecc ram i think.
575 [08:18:25] <mi11k1> its worth more in scrap aluminum
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581 [08:25:12] <Jmabsd> mi11k1: nope not supposed to have matching cards
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584 [08:25:29] <Jmabsd> mi11k1: actually i thought the whole radeon thing worked well before i tried to switch to the 5.5 kernel
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615 [08:52:13] <bracham> i just wiped and reinstalled windows 10 on a laptop for a friend, am working through the updates. it's painful.
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643 [09:27:42] <winterflaw> I'm using debootstrap for the very first time. I want to make a bootable SD card for mipsel. This is the command I'm using;
644 [09:27:45] <winterflaw> debootstrap --arch=mipsel --variant=minbase buster ./test replaced-url
645 [09:27:50] <winterflaw> and this is the error I get;
646 [09:27:58] <winterflaw> E: Unable to execute target architecture
647 [09:28:05] <winterflaw> I've googled, but I don't understand.
648 [09:28:10] <winterflaw> Any words of wisdom, please?
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668 [09:51:15] <Muimi> hey can anyone here help me to figure outt how to identify the correct way to make a service exception on my firewall if that's the problem i'm experiencing?
669 [09:51:47] <trinity> what firewall are you using?
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671 [09:53:10] <Johann> what problem are you experiencing?
672 [09:53:48] <Muimi> i think ... it's just the built-in firewall
673 [09:54:01] <Muimi> TASK [cloud-vultr : Creating a firewall group] fatal: [localhost]: FAILED! => {"changed": false, "msg": "The API key is not speicied. Please refer to the documentation."}
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676 [09:56:06] <trinity> I think this refers to the vultr API key.
677 [09:56:28] <trinity> You can specify it as environment variable: VULTR_API_KEY
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679 [09:57:28] <Muimi> okay but do you know how i can figure out how to do that in an Algo VPN setup?
680 [09:57:37] <Muimi> because there's nothing mentioned about this anywhere in the guides
681 [09:58:41] <trinity> You use ansible, right?
682 [09:59:33] <rj1> Muimi: i recommend this over algo vpn - replaced-url
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700 [10:14:38] <Muimi> ugh i disconnected at 57 after
701 [10:14:46] <Muimi> 57:36
702 [10:15:13] <trinity> Muimi: you use ansible, right?
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704 [10:16:46] <Muimi> I don't know what that is
705 [10:17:01] <Muimi> no i don't
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707 [10:18:14] <trinity> oh, ok. Its an automation software. But your error message looks suspiciously like the ones from ansible.
708 [10:18:35] <trinity> What were you doing, when the error occurred?
709 [10:18:47] <Muimi> following the installer steps (step 5 I think)
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711 [10:19:27] <themill> That doesn't look like anything that the Debian installer would output
712 [10:19:44] <Muimi> replaced-url
713 [10:20:00] <Muimi> type ./algo
714 [10:20:03] <Muimi> step 6
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716 [10:20:18] <Muimi> it's a really short guide.
717 [10:20:43] <themill> ah... so "the installer" is some other thing none of us has heard of... good-o
718 [10:21:39] <mi11k1> let me try!
719 [10:22:04] <Muimi> Hahahahahaha! Hilarious.
720 [10:22:27] <Muimi> Hold on. I need some aspirin my sides are hurting from too much laughing.
721 [10:22:39] <mi11k1> i use openvpn , it just works
722 [10:23:14] <trinity> The installer uses ansible internally. You should be able to set the api key via environment variables on the commandline.
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724 [10:23:28] <Muimi> You made an openvpn server? I spent three weeks trying to set that up all day long each day and didn't succeed.
725 [10:23:38] <mi11k1> what is ansible, i need to look this up right now. i keep hearing it.
726 [10:23:44] <miskatonic> I do not use ansible. What is it good for?
727 [10:23:44] <trinity> Do something like this: VULTR_API_KEY=****** ./algo
728 [10:24:02] <Muimi> that's just the full path to algo right?
729 [10:24:07] <mi11k1> replaced-url
730 [10:24:15] <Muimi> or what are the asterisks? Literally those?
731 [10:24:42] <mi11k1> ****** reps yer api key
732 [10:24:47] <trinity> miskatonic: you can declare settings in a .yaml file and ansible will make sure your system is configured that way. Handy if you need to take care of dozens of computers.
733 [10:25:18] <Muimi> where do I get an api key?
734 [10:25:53] <miskatonic> I only take care of one, so I probably never needed anything like that ...
735 [10:26:11] <trinity> Muimi: If you want to deploy a VPN server on Vultr, you must be their customer. Then they will give you an API key.
736 [10:26:13] <mi11k1> Muimi, run that script i just gave you. youll have a vpn in 3 mins
737 [10:27:14] <mi11k1> with the config it spits out just run sudo openvpn --config file
738 [10:27:30] <trinity> miskatonic: It's also handy, if you need to automate things in general, like certificate renewals
739 [10:27:35] <mi11k1> the nmgui doesnt always import it correctly
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746 [10:30:25] <mi11k1> if you want to use the same config simutaneosly you add "duplicate-cn" to server.conf and if you want the clients to be able to see eachother you add "client-to-client"
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749 [10:33:07] <Muimi> ...
750 [10:33:10] <Muimi> and i'm on IRC?
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752 [10:33:20] <Muimi> ping succeeds...
753 [10:33:25] <Muimi> someone bump chat please
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755 [10:33:27] <darsie> yes
756 [10:33:32] <Muimi> ty
757 [10:33:41] <Muimi> do a speed test
758 [10:33:56] <Muimi> wow. 4 1080px videos no lag
759 [10:34:08] <darsie> wrong channel
760 [10:34:10] <Muimi> now i wonder if I can cause china to blacklist my server
761 [10:34:24] <Muimi> mi11k1 yes that worked. thank you.
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764 [10:35:24] <mi11k1> Muimi, did you see the msgs about client-to-client and duplicate?
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767 [10:36:16] <Muimi> i didn't see anything between 1:30:25 and 1:33:06 if it was there
768 [10:36:34] <mi11k1> if you want to use the same config simutaneosly you add "duplicate-cn" to server.conf and if you want the clients to be able to see eachother you add "client-to-client"
769 [10:36:59] <Muimi> what does that mean/do? What would I use it for?
770 [10:37:22] <mi11k1> you can run the script again to make another cert
771 [10:37:46] <mi11k1> if you just want to use the same cert across multiple machines you add the line to server.conf
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773 [10:37:54] <Muimi> yes. i'm trying to run two clients simultaneiously now
774 [10:38:00] <Muimi> oh i see
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776 [10:38:23] <Muimi> that's a good idea. i could make one cert that could be shared by a few guests and cut it if i change companies or something
777 [10:38:26] <mi11k1> so make another cert or edit the /etc/openvpn.server.conf
778 [10:38:58] <mi11k1> you can just run the script again and it will ask you if you want to just add a user
779 [10:39:56] <mi11k1> now, if you have 2 clients connected and you want them to be able to connect to eachother you edit the same file and add "client-to-client"
780 [10:41:51] <Muimi> mi11k1 may I ask if you know how to add one of the configs to the router?
781 [10:42:08] <mi11k1> haha, manually
782 [10:42:28] <Muimi> yeah :P
783 [10:42:29] <mi11k1> its always a bitch. what router?
784 [10:42:53] <Muimi> uhm can i pm that ?
785 [10:42:59] <mi11k1> sure
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840 [12:07:18] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi guys
841 [12:07:46] <Eryn_1983_FL> for named dns files. do i need to use .domain.inv? for reverse lookups?
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843 [12:07:59] <Eryn_1983_FL> cause when did it with centos i only used .domain
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866 [12:34:25] <irreleph4nt> Hi. I am going to migrate to 10.4 soon from either Arch Linux or Ubuntu. I have never used Debian before and was searching for a guideline on how to recompile Ubuntu packages for use on Debian.
867 [12:34:44] <irreleph4nt> I am aware that simply installing a Ubuntu .deb on Debian is a bad idea and not supported
868 [12:34:55] <irreleph4nt> So I am looking for the right way of doing it should it be necessary
869 [12:35:10] <irreleph4nt> What I found so far is this Debian How To: replaced-url
870 [12:35:23] <irreleph4nt> Does it apply to normal packages outside PPAs too?
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873 [12:37:25] <miskatonic> it leads to frankendebian
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875 [12:38:18] <diogenes_> irreleph4nt, compiling from source or using appimages.
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877 [12:40:32] <miskatonic> best not to install it system wide
878 [12:40:32] <irreleph4nt> diogenes_, So I assume that's going to be somewhat similar to what's in the PPA guide already?
879 [12:41:09] <irreleph4nt> miskatonic, what would a recommended prefix look like? Coming from Arch, I have never used alternative prefixes
880 [12:42:16] <miskatonic> the ~/.local directory is often used for one-user-software
881 [12:42:54] <miskatonic> there is a variable which sets this directory, something to do with XDG
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884 [12:45:29] <irreleph4nt> miskatonic, and for making software available for everyone using the system, I assume something like /usr/local/ should it exist on Debian?
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886 [12:45:54] <trinity> Yes /usr/local exists.
887 [12:46:21] <trinity> Personally, I would install it in /opt to avoid overriding system defaults, but you do you.
888 [12:47:20] <irreleph4nt> trinity, /opt I have only ever seen used for non-native software like plex and mattermost. But thank you for the suggestion :)
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894 [12:50:02] <irreleph4nt> trinity, a follow-up if I may.
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897 [12:50:53] <trinity> sure.
898 [12:51:14] <irreleph4nt> trinity, when you install newer versions of something Debian ships to /opt, how do you handle PATH? Or do you simply launch dependent software with a variable pointing to the never version?
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900 [12:53:13] <trinity> someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think debian ships anything in /opt.
901 [12:53:18] <irreleph4nt> An example would be python and an IDE that uses it. If I were to put python 3.8 into /opt I would probably launch something like visual studio code with "PYTHON=/opt/pyton3.8 vscode"
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903 [12:53:43] <irreleph4nt> I would probably try launching*
904 [12:54:41] <miskatonic> PATH can be adjusted in the shell's profile files
905 [12:55:18] <trinity> Python is a special beast of its own. In case you want python3.8 as system default for all users, I would let /usr/bin/python point to /opt/python3.8, but otherwise
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908 [12:56:16] <trinity> I would simply let /opt be it and let each user define overrides to the applications there on a per-application basis
909 [12:57:05] <trinity> You can append it to PATH at the end, making sure that it is used only in case the application has not been found in the default PATHs
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913 [12:57:54] <miskatonic> PATH=$PATH:/opt/bin
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921 [13:05:04] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw you still here?
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924 [13:06:05] <winterflaw> yes, but about to nap
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926 [13:06:17] <winterflaw> so I half fixed the sd card reader problem
927 [13:06:27] <winterflaw> I was able to un-borked the external reader I bought
928 [13:06:32] <winterflaw> but not the internal reader
929 [13:06:42] <irreleph4nt> thank you trinity miskatonic ! :)
930 [13:07:27] <winterflaw> I turned off auto-mount (possibly relevant) and inserted the card into the external reader. I then manually activated and then deactivated the LVM partition - and bingo, that allowed the reader to properly forget the card upon removal.
931 [13:07:33] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw :/ that sounds so so weird. but I just tested the debootstrap, and for me he can find the arch
932 [13:07:51] <winterflaw> ah, so that is expected to work
933 [13:07:52] <winterflaw> okaay
934 [13:07:56] <winterflaw> that's a clue anyway
935 [13:08:20] <winterflaw> however, when I put the problem card into the internal slot, it doesn't show up at all; I have a device for it, but no media is loaded
936 [13:08:31] <winterflaw> so I can't manually activate/deactivated LVM
937 [13:08:33] <quadrathoch2> could you test 'sudo debootrap --variant=minbase --arch mipsel buster /path/to/chroot replaced-url
938 [13:08:50] <winterflaw> one mo - I was about to ask you what mirror you were using
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940 [13:09:15] <quadrathoch2> I always use that 'mirror' as it is a mirrorlist ;)
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942 [13:09:32] <winterflaw> same error
943 [13:09:47] <winterflaw> I think I need to get the latest version of debootstrap
944 [13:09:56] <winterflaw> I'm using the version with buster
945 [13:10:19] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw which should be fine
946 [13:11:59] <winterflaw> what version do you have?
947 [13:12:10] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw same one, as I use buster ;)
948 [13:12:30] <winterflaw> do a debootstrap --version just to make sure for me please?
949 [13:12:42] <winterflaw> I get "debootstrap 1.0.114"
950 [13:12:50] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw me too
951 [13:12:54] <winterflaw> okay
952 [13:12:58] <winterflaw> I won't bother changing :-)
953 [13:13:10] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw if you really want, you can try out the one in backports (if you have that repo active)
954 [13:13:54] <winterflaw> nah, if it works for you, it shouldn't be a version problem
955 [13:14:53] <winterflaw> I have to nap I'm afraid
956 [13:14:56] <winterflaw> just about asleep
957 [13:14:58] <winterflaw> back later
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1047 [14:47:50] <Abrax> k back
1048 [14:48:04] <joze> k
1049 [14:48:11] <joze> yes the k is here
1050 [14:48:20] <joze> i can confirm
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1057 [14:58:26] <otisolsen70> I noticed that in going from Debian 9 -> debian 10, the apache user replaced-url
1058 [14:59:17] <quadrathoch2> otisolsen70 wouldn't it be sufficient to use sudo -u replaced-url
1059 [14:59:37] <otisolsen70> quadrathoch2, some of the stuff logs in remotely using an SSH key and does stuff.
1060 [14:59:58] <otisolsen70> quadrathoch2, for example I have a debian mirror. I have a build script that builds .deb files and updates the mirror.
1061 [15:00:04] <otisolsen70> (just one example)
1062 [15:00:06] <valdyn> otisolsen70: replaced-url
1063 [15:00:20] <quadrathoch2> yeah I would move that to another user
1064 [15:00:33] <otisolsen70> valdyn, ok. So I should instead create a dedicated user to this and make this user member of replaced-url
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1067 [15:01:06] <otisolsen70> Or how do I ensure that both my user can read/write to the files and apache can as well?
1068 [15:01:06] <joze> or chown -R ww.data agfter doing stuff
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1070 [15:01:27] <otisolsen70> joze, that is even worse, because chown must be run by root.
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1072 [15:01:43] <joze> I am so sorry
1073 [15:01:51] <otisolsen70> joze, and also then I will have a problem next time I am trying to update the files...
1074 [15:02:12] <valdyn> otisolsen70: your question is to unspecific. It might aswell be that the files can be globally readable.
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1078 [15:03:06] <otisolsen70> valdyn, for the debian mirror it is fine to have the files globally readable. However, for some other files apache must be able to write to the files. For example: web applications that have an upload folder, etc.
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1083 [15:03:35] <joze> would't be sudoed replaced-url
1084 [15:04:02] <joze> sudone
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1086 [15:05:06] <valdyn> otisolsen70: so create a group called "upload" and put everyone needing to write there in it
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1091 [15:07:33] <otisolsen70> valdyn, so add replaced-url
1092 [15:07:44] <valdyn> otisolsen70: yes
1093 [15:07:50] <otisolsen70> And have the folder 0770 and owned by service_user:upload ?
1094 [15:08:01] <otisolsen70> valdyn, should work. Thanks!
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1099 [15:12:08] <joze> thist thing they tought us in linux class was permission, but I skipped
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1101 [15:14:57] <winterflaw> quadrathoch2 - do you have qemu installed? I think my script is falling over when it tests using arch-test
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1103 [15:15:35] <winterflaw> I'm thinking to boot the MIPS SBC and actually run deboostrap on it, itself
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1105 [15:15:40] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw so I tested it a little myself (it was a while when I used it more often) and I forgot a debootstrap option (which is --foreign)
1106 [15:16:10] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw the only issue I found now myself is, I have no clue what kernel to install :/
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1109 [15:16:22] <quadrathoch2> as there is no mipsel generic kernel one (it seems)
1110 [15:18:16] <winterflaw> ah there we go
1111 [15:18:18] <winterflaw> now it makes sense
1112 [15:18:28] <winterflaw> the --help info doesn't list --foreign
1113 [15:18:37] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw man does ;)
1114 [15:18:43] <winterflaw> but it makes sense and it is needed - on my laptop I can download all the packages
1115 [15:18:46] <winterflaw> but I can't run them
1116 [15:18:55] <winterflaw> foreign will mean I do the first stages only
1117 [15:18:56] <winterflaw> which is correct
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1119 [15:19:07] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw the weird part is, why does it work then on my system? oO I mean i use an amd64 system
1120 [15:19:14] <winterflaw> I then need to complete debootstrap on an actual mips device
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1122 [15:19:37] <winterflaw> so I have my insane card reader problem, you have your insane debootstrap problem :-)
1123 [15:19:45] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw you could theoretically install qemu-user-static copy over the binary and then use your laptop
1124 [15:19:58] <winterflaw> yes
1125 [15:20:13] <winterflaw> but I have Debian 8 running on the mipsel SBC
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1127 [15:20:17] <winterflaw> might be easier
1128 [15:20:25] <quadrathoch2> okay ;)
1129 [15:20:49] <winterflaw> however, the question about the kernel is a good one
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1132 [15:22:42] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw the weird part is, I can't find anything about it, and if I want to emulate a mipsel device in qemu, it literally asks me not for an iso but kernel initrd etc
1133 [15:23:13] <winterflaw> I've never used qemu - but I can understand it's being very strange :-)
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1136 [15:23:41] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw ahh I found it I think, could you tell me what sbc you got?
1137 [15:23:59] <quadrathoch2> i'm dumb, found the info, but didn't make the connection
1138 [15:24:22] <winterflaw> it's called a "ci20"
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1140 [15:25:13] <epony> Abrax, can you stop spamming invites?
1141 [15:25:27] <winterflaw> longer name "Creator CI20"
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1147 [15:29:34] <winterflaw> I've found a long and involved guide here (replaced-url
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1150 [15:34:44] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw honestly it's not hard, the only issue I find is, which kernel to use. the weird part the elinux tutorial is not using a kernel oO
1151 [15:35:28] <quadrathoch2> second one meantions that it's a malta cpu architecture, but not 100% on that
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1153 [15:36:47] <winterflaw> it's not hard if it works :-) it looks long and complex enough that it will not work
1154 [15:38:00] <winterflaw> it's important to know your own limits :-)
1155 [15:38:01] <quadrathoch2> nah, it will work, but if the elinux wiki is up2date we have another issue, (as the last working kernel is 3.18?)
1156 [15:39:10] <winterflaw> that sounds about right - the owning company broke itself up and sold most of itself to a Chinese investor when Apple stopped using its chipsets for graphics
1157 [15:39:19] <winterflaw> they dropped support/work on the board
1158 [15:39:36] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw but sadly that's what happens with most sbc (even today) that's why I am only buying raspberry pis, as they upstream all of it
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1160 [15:40:24] <winterflaw> I *think* I can apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade from 8 to 9 to 10, but the board itself uses a type of NAND which just isn't reliable and you can't actuall upgrade in practise - the board borks itself before you succeed
1161 [15:40:42] <winterflaw> very much so - but I want MIPS as a platform
1162 [15:40:58] <nvz> winterflaw: for what?
1163 [15:41:12] <winterflaw> platform independent lock-free data structure library
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1165 [15:41:22] <winterflaw> for compile, test and benchmark
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1167 [15:42:00] <winterflaw> it's not that I particularly love MIPS, but rather having as many platforms as possible is desirable for test
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1170 [15:42:50] <nvz> only mips device I have is a Netgear WNR3500Lv2
1171 [15:43:11] <nvz> $15 on ebay
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1173 [15:44:16] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw I guess you would need to stay on debian8 if you really want to use that device, as I'm sure, debian10 wouldn't work with 3.18 or even older
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1175 [15:44:44] <winterflaw> hmm interesting comment - one of the guys in ci20 said he has 9 booting off SD card
1176 [15:44:48] <winterflaw> I wondered why he hadn't moved to 10
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1181 [15:45:34] <winterflaw> nvz - bit big - it needs to be something I can carry with me when I travel :-)
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1183 [15:46:02] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw in the forums, there was a guy who compiled gentoo for that at the beginning of 19, with that kernel. and after that gave up probably, as it gets harder and harder
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1195 [15:55:20] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw so did you already fix your other one (the x86 sbc?)
1196 [15:55:26] <winterflaw> well, te board is no longer supported : I have to just take it as it is
1197 [15:55:45] <winterflaw> ah, yes - at the cost of loosing my internal card reader :-)
1198 [15:56:26] <winterflaw> I turned off XFCE auto-mount and I was finally able to mount the LVM volume, get the username and overwrite the shadow passwd to a known password and so could then SSH.
1199 [15:56:53] <winterflaw> however, the card used in that device has rendered my internal card reader defunct with my current OS
1200 [15:57:04] <winterflaw> I paid 15 euro for an external reader, which works
1201 [15:57:07] <winterflaw> crazy
1202 [15:57:15] <winterflaw> afk a few mins!
1203 [15:58:07] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw are you sure that your reader is broken now? as in tested with a live usb for example if it isn't just your install?
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1205 [15:59:50] <winterflaw> I may be wrong, but I think the reader is physically fine
1206 [16:00:30] <winterflaw> but XFCE/Debian are confused, and in a way which survives reboots, and which I cannot fix because even when I insert the card, the machine thinks no card is present
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1208 [16:00:35] <winterflaw> (despite mounting a device)
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1216 [16:03:48] <lupulo> replaced-url
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1309 [17:20:06] <rapidwave> I'm just curious...why is debian still a distro when Ubuntu has commercial support and is based on debian?
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1312 [17:21:06] <darsie> debian is strictly about free software.
1313 [17:21:25] <darsie> It also differes in testing and release cycle.
1314 [17:21:47] <darsie> I think debian is better for servers than ubuntu.
1315 [17:22:13] <imMute> Ubuntu also makes changes on top of what Debian ships.
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1322 [17:24:25] <PETURBG> eeee
1323 [17:24:41] <PETURBG> when run qemu vlan is not supprted
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1325 [17:27:12] <annadane> ...because it's been around since 1993 and people love it for its stability?
1326 [17:27:20] <annadane> like
1327 [17:27:25] <annadane> what a weird question
1328 [17:27:43] <annadane> plus a social contract and well defined policy
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1330 [17:27:54] <annadane> plus not forcing snaps on people or doing silly canonical things
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1340 [17:35:59] <mason> rapidwave: Simple answer everyone missed Canonical would have to hire a ton of people to fill in for universe and multiverse if Debian went away.
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1342 [17:36:23] <mason> Simple punctuation I missed: s/missed/&./
1343 [17:37:48] <mason> Oh, maybe I've misunderstood multiverse. But universe anyway.
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1345 [17:39:57] <rapidwave> So Ubuntu really is mostly branding then?
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1347 [17:40:36] <mason> rapidwave: No, they do a bunch of independent work for the supported portions, and they diverse pretty widely in a couple areas. Ubuntu is mostly about enterprise support, as I see it.
1348 [17:40:46] <rapidwave> Ahh
1349 [17:41:03] <rapidwave> So debian is not "stable" for business....but Ubuntu is.
1350 [17:41:12] <ayekat> it's a bit like fedora/rhel, or opensuse/sles, or... well, debian/ubuntu - though debian/ubuntu is a bit less close, I guess
1351 [17:41:34] <mason> Debian is stable for business, but there isn't a single commercial entity providing the sort of support Canonical does. A ton of businesses use Debian heavily.
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1353 [17:41:57] <rapidwave> Problem with debian/based that I find true is that we are spoiled. I ,at least, don't HAVE to learn deeper understanding and configurations that real power users do know.
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1355 [17:42:20] <mason> That goes even further afield...
1356 [17:42:27] <rapidwave> What do you mean?
1357 [17:42:56] <mason> Oh, alright, no, I missed the stress on "don't HAVE to". No, it does a lot for the user.
1358 [17:43:10] <rapidwave> I just know that everytime I mention Ubuntu to a user of a non-debian distro, they talk about having much more control if they don't use debian/ubuntu
1359 [17:43:33] <mason> Many folks suggest erroneously that all the hand-holding that's available means you can't do intricate things, but you're not suggesting that.
1360 [17:43:42] <mason> Right, that. Erroneous.
1361 [17:43:43] <rapidwave> I'd prefer to know how everything works. But it's also a lot of technical knowledge that is hard to gain
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1364 [17:44:12] <rapidwave> Well..I do not know how to pull deeper control from 'apt'
1365 [17:44:22] <rapidwave> Last I knew aptitude was deprecated.
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1367 [17:44:44] <rapidwave> And everytime I get told about the right command to use to do a distro upgrade, I get a different answer.
1368 [17:45:00] <rapidwave> Some say do-release-upgrade, some say that is the worst way of doing it
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1370 [17:45:27] <mason> I don't think that exists for Debian. But look at what it does and it'll become clear why it's a safe recommendation for Ubuntu.
1371 [17:45:58] <rapidwave> So....are most of the packages for Ubuntu actually debian packages?
1372 [17:46:13] <mason> Universe packages are.
1373 [17:46:28] <rapidwave> What is the difference between Universe and Multi-verse?
1374 [17:47:06] <mason> I was thinking multiverse was equivalent to non-free, but then I noted that Canonical adds some packages to it, but I'm not sure. Universe is effectively Debian packaging.
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1383 [17:51:16] <Acheron> Debian, i think, i has higher standards/requirements for package maintainers
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1385 [17:51:58] <mason> Sounds like FUD. Ubuntu does amazing work. Many times they correct errors in packages that persist for years in Debian.
1386 [17:52:13] <mason> There's really no need to trash either one. The world is better for both Debian and Ubuntu existing.
1387 [17:52:17] <quadrathoch2> mason here is a short explanation replaced-url
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1391 [17:53:31] <mason> quadrathoch2: Yar, but that doesn't say for sure that multiverse maps to non-free.
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1394 [17:54:02] <quadrathoch2> mason oops, yeah you are right :/
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1399 [17:55:42] <mason> bbiab anyway
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1408 [18:03:22] <Laserburn> I used dd to create a duplicate of a disk that was in an mdadm RAID-1 array before messing with the original disk. The duplicate's partitions now have the same UUID as the original disk. I want to later use the new disk in the new RAID-1 array when I rebuild, but believe mdadm uses the UUIDs to track which is which. Is there a way to generate a new UUID for each partition without data loss?
1409 [18:04:07] <Laserburn> I'm currently booted to a live USB with both disks fully unmounted
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1413 [18:06:52] <annadane> well i know uuidgen comes with debian
1414 [18:06:59] <annadane> i can't vouch for its safety though
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1420 [18:11:54] <Laserburn> I went for it, tune2fs reprots bad magic number in super-block while trying to open disk: contains a linux_raid_member
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1427 [18:15:48] <bracham> Laserburn, if you're going to use the new drive to replace the old drive, wouldn't it work best if the UUID was the same?
1428 [18:16:50] <Laserburn> one of my disks failed, I'm trashing that one...the one I mirrored from is going to remain in the system, I just wanted to make sure the data was backed up before proceeding, and want to use the backup in the array once I've successfully booted from the remaining good disk
1429 [18:17:20] <bracham> ah ok i gotcha now
1430 [18:17:50] <Laserburn> yeah so I was able to build a single device array with the new disk and mount the partitions, so I'm good there now
1431 [18:18:04] <Laserburn> but it also now has the same UUID as the good original disk
1432 [18:18:14] <Laserburn> I think that will be problematic
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1435 [18:21:04] <Laserburn> think I'm at a point now where I want to boot from the still-good original, but it boots to a black screen with a blinking cursor - as best I can tell, grub wasn't in a good state on this disk and that's why it won't boot...the bad disk must have been the one the computer was booting from this whole time
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1437 [18:21:33] <bracham> oh that sucks
1438 [18:21:49] <Laserburn> I didn't realize both disks had to have grub installed
1439 [18:22:34] <bracham> hmm. well raid1 is the basic backup raid, isn't it?
1440 [18:22:53] <Laserburn> raid is not backup!
1441 [18:23:07] <Laserburn> mantras aside, yeah, it's 1+1 mirror
1442 [18:23:25] <bracham> data loss prevention?
1443 [18:26:17] <bracham> i haven't read enough about it to know how to boot properly from a raid1 system. it does kinda make sense that both drives be completely identical, with all grub / boot data on both drives, as one drive would boot by default, but if it failed the system would then boot off the good drive. i think...?
1444 [18:26:59] <tomreyn> software raid is often spun across partitions, not raw disks
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1446 [18:27:43] <tomreyn> you can do either, but the latter would prevent installing a boot loader in MBR, because there would be no MBR
1447 [18:27:56] <tomreyn> (or no a separate partition, because there would be no partitions)
1448 [18:28:41] <tomreyn> now the question is: what are oyu working with there?
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1488 [18:54:17] <Laserburn> tomreyn: I'm booted to a GRML USB disk
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1490 [18:55:35] <Laserburn> non-UEFI system
1491 [19:00:13] <tomreyn> Laserburn: and?
1492 [19:00:26] <Laserburn> lots of context above
1493 [19:00:50] <tomreyn> not enough
1494 [19:00:56] <Laserburn> one of the drives my mdadm RAID-1 array failed, system boots up to blinking cursor on black screen
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1496 [19:01:33] <Laserburn> I used dd to create a duplicate of the remaining disk using GRML USB boot disk
1497 [19:01:33] <tomreyn> i read what you wrote here during the past hour, but i didn't read what you didn't write.
1498 [19:02:07] <Laserburn> I'm trying to figure out why I can't boot from the remaining good disk
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1501 [19:02:44] <tomreyn> how are you device layers set up? on the bottom, there will be two physical storages, i assume, then somewhere above that you have some software raid. what's in between?
1502 [19:02:53] <Laserburn> just created an array and mounted it, checked /boot/grub/grub.cfg, and it refers to the UUID of the remaining good disk, from what I can tell
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1506 [19:03:34] <Laserburn> 1 ext4 partition on each physical disk, which are each members of the mdadm RAID-1 array
1507 [19:04:01] <tomreyn> ext4 is a file system. a file system is not a backend for an mdadm raid.
1508 [19:04:28] <Laserburn> when you create an mdadm array, you create it using file systems
1509 [19:04:35] <tomreyn> no
1510 [19:04:48] <Laserburn> partitions
1511 [19:04:56] <tomreyn> that's an option, yes
1512 [19:04:59] <Laserburn> they are ext4 partitions, I'm not sure what' controversial about that
1513 [19:05:05] <Laserburn> anyway
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1515 [19:06:10] <tomreyn> ext4 is a file system, partitions are sections of a partition table, which can contain other layers such as file systems OR mdadm RAID devices. there are no "ext4 partitions"
1516 [19:06:26] <Laserburn> gotcha
1517 [19:06:44] <Laserburn> so I guess the layers are physical disk > partition > mdadm array > file system
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1519 [19:07:23] <tomreyn> so you have a partition table on this disk. which one is it? an mbr/msdos or GPT partition table?
1520 [19:07:46] <tomreyn> fdisk -l can tell
1521 [19:08:11] <tomreyn> parted -ls, too
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1523 [19:09:13] <Laserburn> it's gpt
1524 [19:09:19] <Laserburn> wait no
1525 [19:09:22] <PsynoKhi0> trying* (great start... typo on the second word)
1526 [19:09:30] <Laserburn> sorry, that's a different array - this one is msdos
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1529 [19:10:37] <tomreyn> Laserburn: so we're slooowly approaching the complete summary you should have had before you stated working on this (or getting help with it, if you could gather it yourself)
1530 [19:10:53] <tomreyn> Laserburn: which other partitions are there?
1531 [19:11:17] <Laserburn> just a 4g swap
1532 [19:11:34] <tomreyn> Laserburn: the one partition you're saying contains the mdadm RAID device - does it have more layers in between the partition and the raid device?
1533 [19:11:46] <Laserburn> the main partition has flags: boot, raid
1534 [19:11:48] <Laserburn> type: primary
1535 [19:13:14] <tomreyn> and this main partition contains a full debian installation (ignoring the fact that it's just a single device out of a RAID-1 array)?
1536 [19:13:25] <Laserburn> yes
1537 [19:13:45] <PsynoKhi0> (side note: the installer asking if it should use dhcp at all would be nice)
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1539 [19:14:14] <tomreyn> Laserburn: so it must have more layers on top of the raid layer, file systems and others, such as LVM? which ones are there?
1540 [19:14:34] <Laserburn> there's no LVM, it's an ext4 partition
1541 [19:15:05] <tomreyn> i already told you there are no "ext4 partitons"
1542 [19:15:23] <tomreyn> maybe it's a single ext4 file system on top of the raid-1
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1545 [19:15:29] <Laserburn> yeah
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1547 [19:16:01] <tomreyn> "yeah maybe", or "yeah, that's exactly how it is"?
1548 [19:16:11] <Laserburn> yeah, that is exactly how it is
1549 [19:16:28] <tomreyn> yeay, details
1550 [19:17:02] <Laserburn> yeah, we already went over that above
1551 [19:17:27] <tomreyn> so you have this single raid device and want to reconstruct the raid array by re-comnbining it with a different storage, to serve as the second mandatory raid device in this raid-1 array?
1552 [19:18:09] <Laserburn> eventually yes, that part I am sure I can handle as I have many times before - the problem is, I can't boot from the remaining good member successfully right now
1553 [19:18:32] <tomreyn> and you already seemed to have understood whyy that is
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1556 [19:19:22] <tomreyn> grub or a proper version of grub does not seem to be installed on the MBR of this disk at this time.
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1558 [19:20:11] <Laserburn> I thought that was the case, but when I create the array and mount the file system in the live USB environment, /boot/grub is there, and grub.cfg looks like it refers to the UUID of this disk
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1562 [19:23:57] <tomreyn> the boot loader always needs to be stored outside of software RAID (there are some dirty hacks you could use to store it within it but that's not something i'd recommend)
1563 [19:24:09] <tomreyn> so it's not mirrored across the disks automatically
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1566 [19:25:52] <Laserburn> do you think grub-install could handle that with things as they currently are?
1567 [19:26:00] <tomreyn> /boot/grub is not the MBR but the location where the grub configuration file (amongst other) is stored. in the grub-mbr scenario the grub bootloader sitting in the mbr loads this configuration file from this file system (which is apparently the / (root) file system which is on top of the raid array in your case)
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1571 [19:27:23] <tomreyn> you'd need bring up the array (with a failed disk if needed), then chroot into the existing installation, then grub-install to the MBR
1572 [19:27:54] <tomreyn> may need to update-grub and maybe to update-initramfs as well (if different hardwarE).
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1574 [19:28:27] <Laserburn> ok, going to give it a shot
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1577 [19:29:59] <tomreyn> alternatively oyu could just see if you can boot it from the grub menu you have on the bootable usb. but this will only work if it's a compatible grub variant with sufficient modules
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1579 [19:30:55] <tomreyn> i mean grub CLI, not menu
1580 [19:31:13] <Laserburn> I'll try the chroot method
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1583 [19:35:38] <Laserburn> hrm, weirdness: /usr/sbin/grub-install: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?).
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1585 [19:36:46] <Laserburn> dev/ doesn't have any sata disks in it, rather a bunch of ram disks
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1606 [19:58:54] <bracham> Laserburn, you're booted to USB, right? you'll need to mount the drive you're wanting to install grub on
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1610 [20:00:16] <bracham> i've had to use this a couple times to fix grub after a windows install or update, and it might not be perfect for your problem but should be close: replaced-url
1611 [20:01:32] <Laserburn> those are the steps I tried, but update/install grub fails, I think because the disk isn't in /dev when I'm in the chroot
1612 [20:01:47] <Laserburn> I'm not sure why that is
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1617 [20:05:19] <bracham> hmm...every time i've followed those steps to the letter (slight error though in the "for i...unmount" line, it works perfect
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1649 [20:34:33] <BiafraJello> interesting on one machine I can youtube-dl -U but not on another, I believe both are package installs
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1651 [20:36:21] <coruja> should not be a matter of belief but of evidence
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1654 [20:37:22] <BiafraJello> actually their identical installs
1655 [20:37:29] <BiafraJello> cloned
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1687 [21:03:18] <asarch> This morning when I started up the blind printer server it hanged up, after several tries now I get "fsck.ext2: Input/output error while trying to open /dev/mapper/lucy-home"
1688 [21:04:14] <asarch> This is the output of smartctl -t long /dev/sdc: replaced-url
1689 [21:06:30] <asarch> Which one should I use? "e2fsck -b 8193 <device>" or "e2fsck -b 32768 <device>"?
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1754 [22:41:34] <tatsumaru> hey guys, I seem to have a problem. my user is already in group sudo and I rebooted the machine, but I still get username is not in sudoers file. any ideas?
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1757 [22:44:14] <n4dir> !sudo
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1759 [22:45:00] <n4dir> hmm. i'd assume you have to use "visudo" as root and edit the sudoers file, but what exactly to add there depends on what you want.
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1761 [22:46:07] <tatsumaru> fixed it I am an idiot - I had deleted the % by mistake
1762 [22:46:09] <tatsumaru> thanks
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1770 [22:52:48] <Azrael_-> hi
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1775 [22:54:54] <bigfluff> Hello
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1777 [22:56:31] <Azrael_-> i've got 2 machines with identical "locale" output and have the same timezone. but on one machine the date output is e.g. 10pm, the other one is 22 o'clock. locale is configured to "en_US.UTF-8" for everything. how can i get the first machine to also always use the 24h-format?
1778 [22:57:59] <Azrael_-> the only obivous difference: the one with current 24h output is debian 8, the other is debian 9
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1797 [23:16:55] <quadrathoch2> Azrael_- could you give us the output of localectl? (maybe on both?)
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1799 [23:17:04] <quadrathoch2> on paste.debian.net
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1801 [23:18:52] <quadrathoch2> Azrael_- if I remember correctly 8 should have no localectl, so it's just locale
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1811 [23:29:41] <zu22> Running Buster with up to date package definitions. I need to install 32-bit libgdbm-dev in 64-bit Debian. I tried 'apt install libgdbm-dev:i386' and it complains it can't find such a package. Any solution?
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1815 [23:31:51] <HarryChen> dpkg --add-architecture i386
1816 [23:31:51] * dpkg gets an architect to start planning a new gothic palace
1817 [23:31:55] <hussar> mpv and vlc are giving a segmentation fault. what's going on?
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1819 [23:32:21] <hussar> XD
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1821 [23:33:18] <zu22> HarryChen: Thanks I'll try that.
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1841 [23:51:14] <annadane> hussar, have you tried strace or starting and running them with the terminal so you get error messages?
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1846 [23:54:37] <Azrael_-> quadrathoch2: sorry for the delay: replaced-url
1847 [23:54:55] <Azrael_-> localectl worked on both
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1852 [23:57:39] <Enissay> What is the default ftp service used for debain ?
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1855 [23:58:05] <Enissay> all the sudden my ftp is unreachable yet my ssh is still
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1857 [23:58:25] <ectospasm> Enissay: is your ftp service still running?
1858 [23:58:45] <ectospasm> Not sure if there's a "default" ftp service, don't think it's installed in the base Debian system.
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1861 [23:59:05] <dvs> ectospasm, in base Debian, I doubt it
1862 [23:59:52] <ectospasm> dvs: me too
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