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10 [00:08:24] <|aaron_> I figured it out: clear the cache and then apt-get update -o Acquire::CompressionTypes::Order::=gz
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37 [00:38:59] <search_social> that seems counterintuitive
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62 [00:58:53] <aeWessan> might be the wrong place but - does anyone have any idea how to create a virtualenvironment WITHOUT using sudo? If I create it using sudo then i can't install packages in the venv and if i don't use sudo i can't create the venv??
63 [01:00:12] <nkuttler> aeWessan: which error do you get without sudo?
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65 [01:00:44] <aeWessan> Could not install packages due to an EnvironmentError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
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67 [01:01:22] <nkuttler> aeWessan: paste.debian.net, full command + output please
68 [01:01:35] <nkuttler> aeWessan: but, basically, create the env in a location you can write to
69 [01:02:03] <aeWessan> do i just need to create the virtualenvironment as root? is that it? that's the only way i can think to create a virtual environment without using sudo...
70 [01:02:14] <nkuttler> aeWessan: no, you don't need to be root
71 [01:03:02] <aeWessan> so..... how do you create a virtual environment without being root or using sudo?
72 [01:03:09] <aeWessan> there is clearly something fundemental that i am missing here
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74 [01:04:11] <nkuttler> aeWessan: basic permissions, yes
75 [01:04:14] <nkuttler> aeWessan: paste.debian.net, full command + output please
76 [01:04:44] <aeWessan> where can i read about basic permissions?
77 [01:04:50] <aeWessan> i dont know what paste.debian.net means
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80 [01:05:42] <dvs> !paste
81 [01:05:42] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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110 [01:47:21] <aeWessan> @nkuttler, thanks for the point to permissions. much appreciated.
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153 [02:36:25] <jadax> do you know what's the best in terms of low latency vnc viewer?
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155 [02:37:22] <sney> jadax: does it need to be vnc? rdp is a more efficient protocol overall
156 [02:37:31] <jadax> could do rdp
157 [02:37:35] <jadax> I'm connecting to windows host
158 [02:38:00] <jadax> will I get lower latency over RDP?
159 [02:38:28] <sney> your remote desktop interface will seem less laggy. it's not really a latency thing, but basically yes
160 [02:38:53] <sney> rdesktop is a good standalone client. there's also remmina for a more "modern" approach
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168 [02:51:17] <jadax> can I open up single application over RDP?
169 [02:51:23] <jadax> just like I would normally do over ssh -X
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171 [02:53:08] <sney> afaik no, but some windows versions let you have a separate terminal server-style remote login with minimal ui elements and a clean session apart from the local login. check MS's docs for details
172 [02:54:53] <jadax> well, I have GUI application
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247 [04:07:52] <ndorf> is there a way to preclude apt from leaving debs in /var/cache/apt altogether?
248 [04:08:16] <ndorf> (i have an apt-cacher-ng on the local network, so keeping them separately on each machine seems really redundant)
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254 [04:11:10] <sney> ndorf: apt(1) already deletes debs from /var/cache/apt/archives after installing them, by default. so maybe use that tool instead of apt-get or aptitude
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257 [04:12:53] <ndorf> oh perfect, thanks. old habits die hard, but there's an extra reason to remember to use the newer tool
258 [04:13:59] <sney> also it's shorter!
259 [04:15:54] <ndorf> hehe, yup
260 [04:16:06] <ndorf> just been using apt-get a decade or two too long, i guess
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281 [04:49:28] <jmcnaught> I'm using the kernel from buster-backports and apt wants to upgrade some of the packges from the linux source package (libcpupower1, linux-compiler-gcc-8-x86, linux-cpupower, linux-libc-dev) to 5.6.14-2~bpo10+1, but the others like linux-image-amd64 it wants to leave at 5.5.17-1~bpo10+1. replaced-url
282 [04:50:14] <jmcnaught> Is it okay to upgrade the ones that want to upgrade, or should I wait until linux-image-amd64 etc reach 5.6.14-2~bpo10+1 as well? It's been like this for three days.
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394 [07:15:36] <Jmabsd> Hi guys, on my Debian latest stable, i switched kernel from bpo-5.4 to bpo-5.5.
395 [07:15:40] <Jmabsd> This crashed my computer, it wouldn't boot.
396 [07:16:07] <Jmabsd> Booting to the 5.4 worked, BUT, the text console now wouldn't work! (AMDGPU graphics card)
397 [07:16:11] <Jmabsd> derp derp derp
398 [07:16:28] <Jmabsd> so this way, the only way I could boot was to 5.4 with the "nomodeset" kernel option.
399 [07:17:01] <Jmabsd> i'm now asking myself if and how I can cause Debian to be healed/recovered from the disaster that the 5.5 kernel upgrade caused. any ideas?
400 [07:17:17] <Jmabsd> jmcnaught: ^ :)
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463 [08:52:03] <Jmabsd> Anyone? :)
464 [08:52:18] <Jmabsd> Re system meltdown after installing kernel version that crashed and then uninstalling it
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466 [08:56:20] <annadane> sorry, no clue
467 [08:56:26] <annadane> i did read it earlier and i don't know
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544 [09:53:54] <annadane> why do i get this while installing vrms? replaced-url
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546 [09:54:47] <annadane> (and how can i fix it?)
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550 [09:56:00] <themill> annadane: looks unrelated to vrms; what does "apt update" do?
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553 [09:56:29] <annadane> replaced-url
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556 [09:58:03] <themill> uhuh
557 [09:58:29] <annadane> well i tried it again, now it's fine
558 [09:58:32] <themill> Do you have another apt/aptitude/apt-get/synaptic/unattended-upgrades running
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563 [09:59:38] <annadane> let me try reinstalling vrms just for fun, see if it throws any errors now
564 [10:00:01] <annadane> seems to be fine
565 [10:00:09] <annadane> i had synaptic running earlier but i'd long since closed it
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567 [10:00:58] <annadane> well, i'll mark this as "unimportant; going to bed"
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571 [10:04:38] <PaddyF> !vrms
572 [10:04:38] <dpkg> The Virtual Richard M. Stallman (vrms) will list the <contrib> and <non-free> packages installed on your system and for some explain why they are non-free; its list of "reasons" is horribly unmaintained however. You could just run "aptitude search '~i?or(~scontrib,~snon-free)'" to get the same package list.
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574 [10:05:59] <droid_> been a while since Ive seen rms
575 [10:06:11] <droid_> maybe it was a direct hyper v
576 [10:06:16] <droid_> wad it vrms
577 [10:06:45] <annadane> i have the "other" vrms installed, anyway: emacs. :P
578 [10:06:46] <droid_> hello paddyf
579 [10:07:10] <PaddyF> o/
580 [10:07:20] <annadane> ok, night
581 [10:07:28] <PaddyF> night
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583 [10:08:03] <droid_> am I still playing chedd against death
584 [10:10:01] <droid_> what phone is this tje stefan molyneux phone
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587 [10:13:56] <droid_> did somebody turn on a celeron hours are going by fast
588 [10:14:27] <droid_> paddyf what is the market looking like for buyers of my memwars
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590 [10:15:12] <PaddyF> no idea
591 [10:15:21] <droid_> was that 20 year irc cloud
592 [10:16:12] <droid_> paddyf its like utopia planitia fleetyard empathic echoes
593 [10:16:28] <droid_> remember that episode
594 [10:16:39] <themill> droid_: wrong channel?
595 [10:16:40] <PaddyF> i am not sure whether i understand what you are rambling about
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597 [10:16:59] <droid_> paddyf pick a channel
598 [10:17:05] <PaddyF> ##Linux-offtopic
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617 [10:32:37] <simplicius> Hello
618 [10:34:18] <simplicius> I've written some card games I don't know if they can be of any interest to debian
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625 [10:41:56] <awal1> !mentors
626 [10:41:56] <dpkg> somebody said mentors was the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. replaced-url
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628 [10:42:21] <awal1> simplicius, ^
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632 [10:46:48] <simplicius> in GNOME game collection there was a blackjack game that has been discontinued I've written mine + another card game
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645 [10:58:16] <oxek> I am having problems downloading files such as replaced-url
646 [10:58:20] <oxek> wget says ERROR: The certificate of ‘dl5.oo-software.com’ is not trusted.
647 [10:58:29] <oxek> I checked it using replaced-url
648 [10:58:39] <oxek> and it seems one of the possible paths has expired
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650 [10:58:51] <oxek> here is a post about it replaced-url
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652 [10:59:07] <oxek> how do I fix this on my end so that I can download files using wget?
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658 [11:02:10] <blurkis> oxek: --no-check-certificate ?
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661 [11:03:12] <oxek> blurkis: that's a workaround yes, but the certificate is valid and I should not have to disable this security feature
662 [11:03:29] <oxek> the issue is possibly in the cacertificates distributed in debian
663 [11:03:41] <blurkis> oxek: file a bug against wget?
664 [11:04:05] <oxek> blurkis: wget supplies its own certificates? I thought it uses the debian ones.
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668 [11:05:05] <blurkis> oxek: Well, wget in debian obviuosly does not work with that site, right? And its not the sites fault, right? Then first file a bug against wget in debian and perhaps they will get the ball in motion..
669 [11:05:30] <blurkis> Not saying its right, but thats what I would have done.
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674 [11:09:26] <wrksx> Hey there
675 [11:10:03] <wrksx> Is there a way to see the content of all the locale related vars?
676 [11:10:09] <wrksx> Without having to echo them all
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683 [11:15:12] <blurkis> !nmg
684 [11:15:12] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
685 [11:15:51] <simplicius> btw, these are the 2 games blackjack and briscola replaced-url
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688 [11:17:31] <oxek> I fixed the issue by editing /etc/ca-certificates.conf to remove mozilla/AddTrust_External_Root.crt and then running update-ca-certificates
689 [11:17:57] <oxek> so the issue is not in wget but in whatever provides /etc/ca-certificates.conf in debian
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691 [11:22:55] <blurkis> oxek: it might be ca-certificates
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698 [11:28:41] <oxek> blurkis: perhaps. I solved the issue so I don't think there's much point in reporting it as a bug anymore.
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814 [13:30:23] <winterflaw> I have an SD card. It has three partitions (512m/244m/14.1g). It contains in the main partition an LVM volumme, which in turn contains a Debiann 8 partition for an SBC and also a swap partition.
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816 [13:31:02] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw yes?
817 [13:31:12] <winterflaw> When I put this card into a card reader, the second and third volumes show up on the desktop. I can mount the second, but not the third. When I remove the card, the third volume *remains*, and now that SD card reader *will see no other cards*.
818 [13:31:39] <winterflaw> When other cards are inserted, they get a device, but always "no medium present', and lsblk will only show their device if I use lsblk -a.
819 [13:32:11] <winterflaw> I have a built-in reader showing this behaviour (this is on Buster) and I bought an external, which came today, which was absolutely fine until I put this weird SD card in.
820 [13:32:20] <winterflaw> And now it's behaving in the same way as the internal reader.
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822 [13:33:02] <winterflaw> I guess I need to find a way to tell Buster to really actually forget about that third volume.
823 [13:33:06] <winterflaw> Any ideas?
824 [13:33:08] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw what do you mean by: the third volume *remains*
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827 [13:33:24] <winterflaw> By 'remain' I mean to say the icon remains on the desktop.
828 [13:33:32] <winterflaw> The device is not present in lsblk.
829 [13:33:57] <winterflaw> So right now, with the card plugged in, I have two icons - one for the second volume, one for the third.
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832 [13:34:16] <winterflaw> When I pull the card, the second volume icon disappears, the third does not. lsblk no longer shows the device.
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834 [13:34:57] <winterflaw> Perhaps related - I have tried activating the LVM and mounting the Debian volume in there - but I get I/O errors.
835 [13:35:06] <winterflaw> However, the card when used in the SBC boots successfully.
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838 [13:35:53] <winterflaw> A reboot BTW does not resolve the problem - the third volume icon goes away but the reader device remains borked; it will not successfully take any new cards.
839 [13:36:14] <winterflaw> It seems like Buster is 'remembering' this volume, as if it were not removed, and not allowing new cards in the reader devices.
840 [13:36:29] <winterflaw> I tried udisksctl, didn't work.
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851 [13:39:28] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw how do you try to mount the lvm?
852 [13:39:42] <winterflaw> well, it's not mounted now
853 [13:39:51] <winterflaw> I only did that once or twice to look
854 [13:39:56] <winterflaw> that was yesterday
855 [13:40:32] <winterflaw> the usual - can't remember the exact commands but I can dig them up - activate the volume group, then mount the volume on the inside
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860 [13:41:25] <winterflaw> I just did eject /dev/sdf3 (the problem partition), the device disappears from /dev, but the third volume icon remains on the desktop
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862 [13:41:43] <winterflaw> if I try to open it, I'm asked for root password
863 [13:41:45] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw what DE are you using?
864 [13:41:54] <winterflaw> XFCE
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867 [13:42:01] <winterflaw> I'm just wondering about that too...
868 [13:42:10] <winterflaw> maybe turning off auto-mount will help
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871 [13:42:26] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw shouldn't really interfere with that (imo)
872 [13:42:40] <gvth> Hi; I installed thermald because my laptop occasionally automatically shuts down when it has to process an intensive ffmpeg job to convert a media file. I run it as root and the output showed that the process was daemonizing. But I can't find a process when I issue "ps aux | grep -i thermald". Does the process have another name or isn't it running at all?
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874 [13:42:47] <winterflaw> I recall it's a normal config option, so it's not too risky?
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876 [13:43:00] <winterflaw> yeah
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878 [13:43:06] <winterflaw> "removable drives and media"
879 [13:43:19] <winterflaw> going to reboot
880 [13:43:20] <winterflaw> brb
881 [13:43:22] <quadrathoch2> k
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883 [13:43:35] <miskatonic> ehy does winterflaw not know what DE he is using? (or whethere he's using any)
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886 [13:44:37] <xaa> hi, any ideas why a fresh Debian10 (remote webserver) take 2'45 for booting? When looking at systemd-analyze the results are "good" (50s). Could you tell me how to log what' happens before systemd, please ?
887 [13:44:51] <n_1-c_k> gvth, I don't know thermald but try 'pgrep -f thermal', 'systemctl status thermald'
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889 [13:45:49] <winterflaw> rehi
890 [13:46:06] <quadrathoch2> miskatonic he answered with xfce
891 [13:46:09] <quadrathoch2> wb winterflaw
892 [13:46:33] <winterflaw> hmm, ain't dat interesting
893 [13:46:41] <winterflaw> so, I plugged in a normal card
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895 [13:46:54] <winterflaw> I've got a mount for /dev/sde *and* /dev/sdf, as if there are two cards in the system
896 [13:47:00] <winterflaw> but both are "no medium found"
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898 [13:47:29] <winterflaw> so I see the device creation in dmesg and I see the devices is lsblk -a, but no in lsblk
899 [13:47:36] <gvth> n_1-c_k: 'pgrep -f thermal' gives '109' and 'systemctl status thermald' says 'Failed to get properties: No such interface'
900 [13:47:38] <winterflaw> the OS is "remembering" the borked card across reboots
901 [13:47:55] <n_1-c_k> gvth, 'ps -f 109'
902 [13:48:55] <winterflaw> putting in the borked card gives me icons and lsblk shows it
903 [13:49:01] <gvth> n_1-c_k: this gives 'root 109 2 0 Jun10 ? I< 0:00 [acpi_thermal_pm]' but it seems to be another process
904 [13:49:06] <winterflaw> lsblk also now shows the lvm volumnes inside the third partition
905 [13:49:09] <winterflaw> which it did not do before
906 [13:49:44] <winterflaw> off
907 [13:49:45] <winterflaw> bugger me
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909 [13:49:53] <winterflaw> I can now mount the Debian 8 LVM volume
910 [13:50:02] <winterflaw> I was still asked for root pwd, but now it works
911 [13:50:05] <n_1-c_k> gvth, ah I think the [..] means it belongs to the kernel, unsure. The systemctl message suggests it failed to start. Look under /usr/share/doc/thermald, try man page, etc. G'luck.
912 [13:50:07] <winterflaw> this is weird shit, man :-)
913 [13:50:24] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw :) lol hopefully you can fix your sbc now :p
914 [13:50:37] <gvth> n_1-c_k: thanks
915 [13:50:38] <quadrathoch2> and maybe move it to a non lvm partition ;)
916 [13:50:44] <winterflaw> well I wanted to get into the Debian volume because I've no idea of the SSH username/password
917 [13:50:58] <quadrathoch2> yeah I remember winterflaw
918 [13:51:08] <winterflaw> yeah
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920 [13:51:21] <winterflaw> so I do actually want to try the Buster live image
921 [13:51:30] <winterflaw> if it does run, I think that's a better way to go
922 [13:51:38] <winterflaw> but to do that I need to get the card readers working!
923 [13:51:46] <winterflaw> Linux -> recursive descent into problems :-)
924 [13:51:49] <winterflaw> always
925 [13:51:50] <winterflaw> amen
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927 [13:52:10] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw, it's just showing you ways how to learn new stuff :p
928 [13:52:32] <winterflaw> but I'm really curious to see the username in /etc/passwd and also try a rainbow on the password itself
929 [13:52:42] <winterflaw> I'm mainly learning it takes a long time to fail :-)
930 [13:52:59] <winterflaw> username is "minnow"
931 [13:53:18] <quadrathoch2> password is minnow? ;)
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933 [13:53:34] <winterflaw> tried that, duh ;-) :-)
934 [13:53:58] <winterflaw> I may be hopeless at Linux but I can try obviously username/pwd combos :-)
935 [13:54:03] <winterflaw> -ly
936 [13:54:42] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw maybe you changed it back in the day
937 [13:54:55] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw oh well, it should be easy to reset the password :)
938 [13:55:10] <winterflaw> nah, this is a fresh dd of the stock image I had
939 [13:55:14] <winterflaw> I couldn't change the .img file
940 [13:55:39] <winterflaw> what's the /etc/shadow hash used in Jessie?
941 [13:55:40] <winterflaw> sha1?
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945 [13:57:57] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw see it yourself replaced-url
946 [13:58:07] <winterflaw> yeah been googling
947 [13:58:12] <winterflaw> just reading man passwd
948 [13:58:18] <miskatonic> why is debian allowed to use all the toy story names for its releases?
949 [13:58:25] <winterflaw> sadly it looks like they did a decent job
950 [13:58:29] <winterflaw> can't rainbow that
951 [13:58:39] <winterflaw> don't even know the salt
952 [13:58:43] <quadrathoch2> wouldn't it maybe easier to chroot into it?
953 [13:59:14] <winterflaw> you mean me, quad?
954 [14:00:10] <quadrathoch2> chrooting into the system so you got root priv, and then you can change the password of the user
955 [14:00:28] <winterflaw> I've actually never used chroot and I have only a hazy idea about what it does.
956 [14:00:39] <winterflaw> I was thinking to generate a new password and just edit the shadow file.
957 [14:01:02] <winterflaw> but I've just realised to do this I will need to generate a Jessie-compatible password hash
958 [14:01:20] <winterflaw> and actually to do that I'll need to find out the salt
959 [14:01:21] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw, it should be sudo chroot /path/to/mounted/lvm /bin/bash (and after that you are logged into the system)
960 [14:01:38] <winterflaw> that seems surreal :-)
961 [14:01:43] <winterflaw> let me try it one mo
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963 [14:02:32] <winterflaw> well my prompt changed from root@book9: to root@book9:/
964 [14:02:33] <winterflaw> =-)
965 [14:03:24] <quadrathoch2> huh? btw why are you root on the laptop ;)
966 [14:04:05] <winterflaw> I had a term open to look around in the mounted LVM and most of the files were owned by root
967 [14:04:14] <quadrathoch2> ahh makes sense
968 [14:04:47] <quadrathoch2> I remember wasn't dash the default shell in 8?
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972 [14:05:10] <winterflaw> really??
973 [14:05:32] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw hm? you could also try /bin/sh which should always work
974 [14:05:40] <winterflaw> I only heard of dash recently, I think when I was building the SD card image for the RISC-V board
975 [14:05:58] <winterflaw> well, bash is working fine - no problems
976 [14:06:26] <quadrathoch2> inside the chroot?
977 [14:06:45] <winterflaw> yups
978 [14:06:46] <winterflaw> seems fine
979 [14:06:58] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw nice, weird that it's the same hostname :/
980 [14:06:59] <winterflaw> just changing the pwd for minoow
981 [14:07:15] <winterflaw> I'm sure it's not the same hostname
982 [14:07:20] <winterflaw> something else is happening
983 [14:07:27] <winterflaw> but I'm definitely chrooted
984 [14:07:33] <quadrathoch2> what is happening?
985 [14:07:41] <winterflaw> I did ls -l /usr/bin/passwd and compared to when I'm not in chroot
986 [14:07:46] <winterflaw> different binaries
987 [14:07:48] <winterflaw> so it's working
988 [14:08:40] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw nice, so one step further to your buster system :p
989 [14:08:53] <winterflaw> okay - changed the pwd to 'minnow'
990 [14:09:00] <winterflaw> now I need to try to rescue my card reader device
991 [14:09:22] <winterflaw> hmm
992 [14:09:34] <miskatonic> /bin/sh -> dash also on stretch. Did Buster change that?
993 [14:09:56] <winterflaw> well this is a Debian 8 of unknown provenance
994 [14:09:59] <winterflaw> it may be modified
995 [14:10:20] <winterflaw> so how do I manally unmount/remove devices from Linux?
996 [14:10:39] <quadrathoch2> sudo umount /path
997 [14:10:52] <winterflaw> ah sorry - I spoke loosely
998 [14:10:54] <winterflaw> they're not mounted
999 [14:11:02] <winterflaw> but I still have icons and lsblk -a lists them
1000 [14:11:06] <winterflaw> I need to get rid of the devices
1001 [14:11:45] <quadrathoch2> that's so weird, they should be gone
1002 [14:11:54] <winterflaw> well auto is turned off
1003 [14:13:00] <winterflaw> but while I'm working on this I can try booting the SBC
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1010 [14:18:12] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw so I just tested it with a vm, and here it just throws out the device perfectly normal :/
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1015 [14:25:51] <winterflaw> back
1016 [14:26:04] <winterflaw> yeah - there's something screwy or there was about this particular SD card image
1017 [14:26:27] <winterflaw> I'm thinking to try one more reboot now I've told XFCE not to do auto mounting - maybe it will forget about that card
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1021 [14:29:49] <winterflaw> cool :-) I have successfully SSHed to the SBC
1022 [14:29:57] <winterflaw> now I need only to rescue my card readers :-)
1023 [14:30:05] <winterflaw> going to eat a celebratory red gratefruit, bbs :-)
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1025 [14:30:41] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw :)
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1029 [14:38:36] <Deano59> anyone know if I can use xfce4 and "keyboard" shortcuts???
1030 [14:38:50] <Deano59> I don't see anything in my options...
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1033 [14:39:39] <EdePopede> Deano59: what kind of shortcuts? start a terminal, close the active window, switch desktop? sure, all of these.
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1035 [14:40:18] <Deano59> EdePopede: like "ctrl, alt, k" opens a bash script etc.
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1037 [14:40:36] <EdePopede> window manager > keyboard and keyboard > application shortcuts
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1039 [14:40:46] <EdePopede> this one would be the latter
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1041 [14:41:41] <Deano59> I don't see an "add" option EdePopede...
1042 [14:42:03] <winterflaw> okay going to try another reboot brb
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1044 [14:42:15] <EdePopede> below the list? add/edit/remove/reset
1045 [14:42:36] <Deano59> edit, clear and reset. no add option...
1046 [14:42:49] <EdePopede> odd. never seen this.
1047 [14:43:17] <EdePopede> is your session in some kind of emergency mode or something?
1048 [14:43:24] <Deano59> nope...
1049 [14:44:05] <EdePopede> i get this sometimes, i think it's during login (doesn't happen too often) that i'm missing the panel. it is started then but i'm warned i won't be able to change things. well, i can :)
1050 [14:44:29] <Deano59> I'll reboot. :)
1051 [14:44:42] <EdePopede> may help, may not ;)
1052 [14:44:55] <EdePopede> if not, maybe #xfce has an idea
1053 [14:45:00] <EdePopede> good luck anyway
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1056 [14:47:14] <Deano59> EdePopede: tried a reboot and still no option :(
1057 [14:47:24] <miskatonic> what dowes the edit option do?
1058 [14:48:07] <Deano59> I can edit but not add.
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1063 [14:48:53] <winterflaw> rebooting didn't help, but I am beginning to think this is an XFCE issue
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1065 [14:49:35] <miskatonic> lots of xfce issues today, it seems
1066 [14:49:55] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw could very well be
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1069 [14:52:14] <EdePopede> miskatonic: same as a doublecklick on the command
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1072 [14:53:21] <Deano59> EdePopede: hahaha, I done it. xD
1073 [14:53:25] <winterflaw> the new XFCE bug site on GitLab appears to lack a search
1074 [14:53:49] <Deano59> I was chosing the wrong option. it's not > window manager > keyboard. it's > settings > keyboard. I see an add option now. :D
1075 [14:54:15] <EdePopede> 2nd one, told you so :D
1076 [14:54:21] <winterflaw> aah I'm in fact looking at the source code
1077 [14:54:23] <Deano59> haha sorry, thank you. :)
1078 [14:54:29] <EdePopede> there were discussions already about merging them
1079 [14:55:03] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw replaced-url
1080 [14:56:43] <EdePopede> andyone else noticing increased CPU usage by just opening that page?
1081 [14:57:18] <EdePopede> even with full noscript right after browser restart
1082 [14:57:35] <winterflaw> thankyou! how did you find that? the link from the old XFCE bugzilla goes to GitLab, but GL has only "projects", "groups", "snippets", "help"
1083 [14:59:03] <winterflaw> sigh - enter a search for text "SD card" and the page... refreshes
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1085 [14:59:20] <winterflaw> select "SD card" from "recent searches", now I get actual search results
1086 [15:00:11] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw went to source code, and then on the left was a menu item with "Issues"
1087 [15:01:04] <winterflaw> oh! the little icon shaped like a coffee mug
1088 [15:01:06] <winterflaw> christ
1089 [15:01:10] <winterflaw> *facepalm*
1090 [15:01:14] <winterflaw> coffee mug icon
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1092 [15:01:42] <winterflaw> cross cultural icon which only has one obvious meaning, right?
1093 [15:01:48] <miskatonic> the separation of settiings and wm makes sense. For wm, there is only a limited set of actions, and they use internal functions of xfce and xfwm. For settings, there are infinitely many possibilities, including user-provided scripts
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1096 [15:02:51] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw so if you figured out your issue, let's move on deboostraping buster? ^^
1097 [15:02:56] <EdePopede> yeah. you have to hover it and even look to the bottom of your browser window for the url since there's not even a hint appearing what the icon means.
1098 [15:03:05] <winterflaw> you trying to kill me? :-)
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1103 [15:04:42] <quadrathoch2> it's super easy :)
1104 [15:04:47] <quadrathoch2> just a few commands away
1105 [15:05:03] <winterflaw> I'm way too fragile for that after the last two days :-)
1106 [15:06:30] <quadrathoch2> ha :) excuses excuses :p winterflaw
1107 [15:07:05] <winterflaw> you don't know it but I also spent all last evening and this morning preppring all my tax paperwork!
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1109 [15:07:16] <EdePopede> »Tsjakka, du schaffst es!«
1110 [15:07:16] <winterflaw> like having your soul drained!
1111 [15:07:26] <EdePopede> or maybe... YES YOU CAN
1112 [15:08:06] <LCRERGO> Is it possible to install the build-dependecies out of a control file?
1113 [15:08:23] <LCRERGO> without specifying it hand by hand I mean
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1115 [15:08:36] <quadrathoch2> I can imagine winterflaw :) but you see today is friday, so there is time for bootstrapping :P
1116 [15:08:50] <winterflaw> Is it Friday?
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1118 [15:09:24] <winterflaw> one of the nice things about long breaks between gigs is the distinction between week/weekend goes away
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1124 [15:11:24] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw well it is friday, at least here in europe ;)
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1138 [15:17:27] <winterflaw> well I think I need a nap now, so please excuse me for a little while :-)
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1140 [15:17:40] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw no problem, have a nice nap
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1233 [16:34:46] <annadane> if steam complains about missing libGL.so.1 what do i need?
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1235 [16:37:01] <diogenes_> annadane, to install the GPU driver i suppose.
1236 [16:37:57] <annadane> ah, i think i need nvidia-driver-libs-i386
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1239 [16:39:20] <graphicsv> Why exactly do I have to `sudo modprobe -r r8169; sudo modprobe r8169` whenever my computer comes back from sleep? I loved this feature because I have a loud fan but everytime, the wired connection stops working. Also I got white spots on the screen (I use NVIDIA driver)
1240 [16:39:37] <graphicsv> replaced-url
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1252 [16:50:46] <graphicsv> I even tried `plasmashell --replace` and `kwin_x11 --replace` but it didn't fix the problem :(
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1289 [17:16:51] <Laserburn> My boot disk is an mdadm RAID-1 array, and one of the disks failed. I removed it from the array and rebooted, then physically removed the drive (verified by serial number). Now, the machine boots to a blinking cursor on a black screen. I tried creating a boot USB to do some triage, but the motherboard isn't UEFI capable, and I haven't been able to get any of them to work
1290 [17:17:12] <Laserburn> I've used Rufus and dd on another linux machine to create the USB sticks. They work fine on EFI computers, but not this one
1291 [17:17:16] <Laserburn> any ideas?
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1530 [17:58:58] <tharkun> Last time I used I encountered such a situation I used a Knopix CD (yes CD) and I mirrored the hdd onto a different machine and reinstalled on a new set of hdds. Hope this at least gives you some new idea/path to solve the problem.
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1532 [17:59:42] <graphicsv> Laserburn: Burn a USB for legacy boot and test it?
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1535 [18:02:23] <binaryhermit> burn might... umm... not be the right word for a usb
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1537 [18:02:48] <binaryhermit> given that usbs can generally be rewritten
1538 [18:03:57] <Laserburn> I did try legacy (MBR) with Rufus
1539 [18:04:21] <Laserburn> Tried DD mode and ISO mode, and also tried the "fixes for legacy BIOS" checkbox
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1541 [18:05:30] <JyZyXEL> grml image should work on both MBR and UEFI machines and is based on debian buster
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1544 [18:09:45] <JyZyXEL> or one of debians official live images should also work: replaced-url
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1548 [18:11:13] <Laserburn> thanks, I'll try one of the debian images
1549 [18:11:14] <JyZyXEL> or you could use the recovery mode on debian install media
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1554 [18:13:48] <zumba_addict> hi all, how do i run shutdown without going thru init?
1555 [18:14:33] <jmcnaught> Unplug the computer.
1556 [18:15:38] <jmcnaught> Seriously though, what do you want to do? Are you having trouble shutting down?
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1566 [18:20:57] <zumba_addict> jmcnaught: it's on a remote area about 60 miles away
1567 [18:21:35] <zumba_addict> replaced-url
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1569 [18:24:26] <zumba_addict> an no one is in the building due to covid
1570 [18:24:27] <jmcnaught> zumba_addict: try "systemctl --force reboot" and if that doesn't work add a second --force (see systemctl(1) about --force first).
1571 [18:24:50] <zumba_addict> cool
1572 [18:24:55] <zumba_addict> i hope it won't halt it but reboot
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1574 [18:25:31] <jmcnaught> zumba_addict: systemctl has separate halt, reboot, poweroff commands
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1576 [18:27:02] <zumba_addict> wow!
1577 [18:27:07] <zumba_addict> second --force worked
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1579 [18:28:17] <jmcnaught> nice
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1588 [18:34:59] <zumba_addict> thank you! You saved us! :)
1589 [18:35:06] <zumba_addict> our server is back up and running now
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1592 [18:38:31] <jmcnaught> You're welcome, glad you got it resolved.
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1614 [18:57:18] <karlpinc> I like ansible, but would like to know what else is out there aside from puppet and chef.
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1616 [18:58:44] <sney> !salt
1617 [18:58:44] <dpkg> Salt is a tool used for remote mass system management. A vulnerability has recently become public (March to May 2020) and is being actively exploited. See <replaced-url
1618 [18:58:50] <sney> haha maybe they've secured it
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1621 [19:00:07] <karlpinc> Any advantages you'd like to plug for salt?
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1623 [19:00:28] <sney> no, I'd prefer ansible
1624 [19:00:39] <sney> but salt is pretty popular so I assume there's a reason
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1629 [19:06:28] <graphicsv> binaryhermit: Yes. I'm from an era where there was a CD ROM reader drive
1630 [19:08:58] <graphicsv> binaryhermit: Yes. I'm from an era where there was a CD ROM reader drive
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1664 [19:44:56] <balleyne> I just noticed that journald has been offline on one of my Debian servers since I upgraded from Debian 9 to Debian 10 a month ago. systemctl status is saying: "code=exited, status=227/NO_NEW_PRIVILEGES" Any idea what to do? Can't seem to find much by searching the web...
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1666 [19:45:57] <tyzef> hi guys! how do you deb? last night I unplugged my two HDD to test a third one(windows is on it due to another issue...), after plugging again, the HDD with debian partition " / " do not start anymore... and the label UEFI is not more visible on that disc like on the following example : replaced-url
1667 [19:46:51] <tyzef> grub2 reinstalled but still the same
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1669 [19:47:41] <tyzef> I don't know what is wrong, I work on it from last night, and full day today...
1670 [19:47:55] <tyzef> I am a bit lost of ideas now
1671 [19:48:21] <tyzef> I am wondering how to get back that UEFI label sticker...
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1775 [20:51:50] <newbsduser> Hi team, do you know a remote mgmt supported log collector client for linux? I want to collect /var/log/messages, audit logs and some additional custom logs, I want to monitor agent status, and I want to remotely configure these agents.
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1811 [21:20:39] <Lady_Aleena> How do I restart apache2 from the command line correctly?
1812 [21:20:51] <greycat> systemctl restart apache2
1813 [21:20:58] <Lady_Aleena> Thank you greycat.
1814 [21:20:59] <greycat> or several other synonyms
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1831 [21:31:02] <daishun> can someone please point me to the location of the checksum files for the net install iso? replaced-url
1832 [21:32:08] <jmcnaught> daishun: they're in the same directory as the ISO itself: replaced-url
1833 [21:32:26] <daishun> I have the iso mounted but I can't find them.
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1835 [21:32:48] <greycat> they wouldn't be *on* the ISO, obviously
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1837 [21:33:16] <greycat> dpkg, images =~ s/stretch/buster/
1838 [21:33:16] <dpkg> that doesn't contain 'stretch', greycat
1839 [21:33:21] <greycat> dpkg, literal images
1840 [21:33:22] <dpkg> "images" is "<reply> see install debian"
1841 [21:33:29] <greycat> dpkg, install debian =~ s/stretch/buster/
1842 [21:33:30] <dpkg> that doesn't contain 'stretch', greycat
1843 [21:33:36] <greycat> dpkg, literal install debian
1844 [21:33:36] <dpkg> "install debian" is "<reply> see install stable"
1845 [21:33:43] <greycat> dpkg, install stable =~ s/stretch/buster/
1846 [21:33:44] <dpkg> OK, greycat
1847 [21:34:10] <greycat> (and it *still* doesn't lead you to the directory URL)
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1849 [21:35:55] <greycat> OK... actually, there *is* a link to the directory on the "Installing Debian 10.4" page. It's under the heading that says "full CD sets", which in turn is beneath the heading that says "netinst CD image". But one of these things points directly to a file, and the other, to a directory. So it's confusing.
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1851 [21:36:53] <daishun> ok, I understood it to mean the files were inside the iso. which would work as I can still verify the signitured with a a public key
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1856 [21:38:05] <greycat> You can't put a checksum file inside of the thing that it's supposed to be a checksum *of*. That wouldn't work.
1857 [21:38:28] <greycat> The checksum has to be obtained from the same place that the original image comes from.
1858 [21:38:44] <daishun> yeah that makes sense XD
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1861 [21:39:40] <greycat> It would be nice if the Debian web site had a more obvious link to the directory where the checksum/signatures are.
1862 [21:40:43] <daishun> yeah it hurts my brain because I've just spent the last 2 hours editing config files for x XD
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1865 [21:44:31] <greycat> dpkg, no, images is <reply> see install stable
1866 [21:44:32] <dpkg> greycat: okay
1867 [21:44:45] <greycat> cut down the symlink path by a step or two
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1948 [23:04:31] <XLS202> Hey, I have a question about the ping command. If I use for example this command "ping -c 4 -w 10 1.1.1.1" it sends 5 packets but only waits for 4, so it tells me I have packet loss. If I use it without the -w flag it only waits for 3 packets to recive and also shows packet loss. Can someone explain me what I am doing wrong?
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1960 [23:11:29] <XLS202> But only if the Ping is higher
1961 [23:12:04] <tomreyn> start by describing what you are trying to do.
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1963 [23:12:45] <XLS202> I am trying to monitor my internet connection (with telegraf and Grafana)
1964 [23:13:38] <Lady_Aleena> It should not have taken me two hours to find the problem I was encountering prior to banging my head on my desk. Now I feel like an idiot.
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2003 [23:48:10] <tomreyn> XLS202: i mean what you're trying to do with ping. i would expect -c4 to send exactly for echo requests, whether or not -w (deadline) is used.
2004 [23:48:34] <tomreyn> *foUr
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2006 [23:52:54] <XLS202> tomreyn: I pasted the output here: replaced-url
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2008 [23:53:31] <Lady_Aleena> So, I have two versions of Debian on my system. Buster is on sda and jessie is on sdb. I would like to remove all the files related to jessie from sdb the right way and turn it into a straight back up drive for files on sda ($HOME and /etc mainly). What would be the best way to do this without having to reformat it?
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