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• 2[00:00:10] <Lady_Aleena> Fardles! I don't have a removable drive big enough for my $HOME.
• 3[00:00:33] <rander2> by default aws block outgoing 25 tcp port ? how may I do to test it ?
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• 9[00:07:08] <karlpinc> rander2: telnet to port 25 of some smtp server?
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• 11[00:07:56] <rander2> karlpinc, yes it go
• 12[00:08:13] <rander2> karlpinc, but not from vps
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• 16[00:09:40] <rander2> basically from vps : nc localhost 25 go , instead nc FQDN 25 no
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• 30[00:18:35] <Buliarous> Can anyone point me to documentation on how to mount external hard drives in a stable and consistent way, I know that's a loaded question, but just looking for best practices? my method of just mount /dev/sdd1 temp or whatever just isn't cutting it anymore
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• 35[00:20:02] <dvs> Buliarous, is it the same hard drive each time?
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• 40[00:21:56] <Buliarous> dvs: yeah I have probably ten, and i usually just run a shell script to mount them all (sort of a nas i guess...) additionally Ive had problems in the past mounting them with fstab and then my comp won't boot in some cases but dunno if that's tangential
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• 42[00:23:15] <dvs> Buliarous, oh, I was going to say put it in /etc/fstab and specify to mount it on pass 2
• 43[00:23:31] <metbsd> Error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.systemd1.UnitMasked: Unit -.mount is masked.
• 44[00:23:38] <metbsd> got this error when i apt update
• 45[00:24:10] <Buliarous> dvs: I look into that maybe mounting in pass 1 was my problem?
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• 47[00:25:01] <dvs> Buliarous, maybe not but pass 1 are for devices that are cruicial to boot up the system
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• 49[00:26:06] <Buliarous> dvs: is there a way to not cause a failure to boot if it can't mount the drives for whatever reason?
• 50[00:26:49] <dvs> not that I know of
• 51[00:27:45] <dvs> Buliarous, the man page says that there is a "nofail" option
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• 58[00:31:11] <jhutchins> Buliarous: Sren't thinking of *wired* ethernet?
• 59[00:31:38] <jhutchins> Buliarous: start by using the UUID in the FSTAB, list each one.
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• 76[00:43:16] <jhutchins> Sorry for the weird paste.
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• 102[00:59:12] <b1ack0p> sup
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• 106[01:06:43] <Abrax> yo
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• 109[01:09:31] <Abrax> blackop
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• 115[01:12:41] <b1ack0p> yo Abrax
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• 119[01:14:04] <dD_> I need to run a 32 bit app on a live debian USB (it's the kingston firmware updater). I tried add-architecture and then run update, and I'm trying to run a compiled file but when I run it I get a no such file or directory. Not sure how to get the dependencies needed to install or what I should do.
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• 121[01:14:40] <sney> dD_: is the file +x?
• 122[01:16:30] <dD_> sney: yes, and the error I'm getting is not the same error I'd get if the file didn't exist. I'm guessing the no such file or directory is an error that comes from the executable
• 123[01:16:35] <sney> you don't need to do anything with apt to run a 32-bit x86 binary on a 64-bit system
• 124[01:17:00] <sney> try 'ldd /path/to/app'
• 125[01:17:34] <dD_> "not a dynamic executable"
• 126[01:18:16] <sney> ok, so it's probably a shell script with some binary crap tacked onto the bottom. can you 'head' it to check?
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• 129[01:20:19] <dD_> sney: sorry, but I'm a little confused. It has several dependencies, but none of those dependencies would probably be installed on the live USB
• 130[01:20:28] <dD_> sney: it appears it's a full binary
• 131[01:20:35] <dD_> not a script file with some binary stuff
• 132[01:20:46] <dD_> perhaps the "no such file or directory" comes from not finding the dependencies?
• 133[01:20:52] <sney> that's why we did ldd
• 134[01:21:07] <sney> but if it's not a script and it's not dynamic, then it should be statically compiled with everything it needs
• 135[01:21:30] <sney> is there a readme or something? do you have any idea of what the dependencies are?
• 136[01:21:35] <dD_> Yes
• 137[01:21:43] <dD_> Hold on
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• 140[01:22:44] <dD_> There's about 30 library files but I think the name of the dependencies are for another distribution (maybe arch? ) since I couldn't apt get them. Should I search one by one until I find them? Or what would be the best route. replaced-url
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• 142[01:24:12] <sney> ah. yeah, that's a mess. use apt-file to determine the package names for those libs. some of them will be in the same package
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• 145[01:25:11] <dD_> as in: sudo apt-file libc?
• 146[01:25:33] <sney> apt-file doesn't need sudo because it's just search. apt-file search the whole filename. e.g. apt-file search libjpeg.so.62
• 147[01:25:40] <dD_> k
• 148[01:25:54] <dD_> this firmware upgrade better work :|
• 149[01:26:02] <OWFI> Hi Guys, I would like to request some help related with GDM3 and Bugdie customization, is there somebody who can help me about how to change the Login and Lock Screen? I have Debian 10 installed. Thanks.
• 150[01:26:03] <sney> you can also query one of the channel bots, /msg judd file libjpeg.so.62
• 151[01:26:59] <dD_> libc.so.6
• 152[01:27:01] <dD_> libdl.so.2
• 153[01:27:03] <dD_> libexpat.so.1
• 154[01:27:05] <dD_> libfontconfig.so.1
• 155[01:27:07] <dD_> libfreetype.so.6
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• 158[01:27:43] <sney> amazing
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• 162[01:28:17] <dD_> fuck, so sorry i didn't want to do that
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• 165[01:29:40] <OWFI> :-(
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• 168[01:31:56] <OWFI> I got stucked because I followed lot of processes but none of them worked, I don't know what file to edit to finally change the gray picture of lhe login screen
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• 171[01:33:21] <sney> !readme.debian
• 172[01:33:22] <dpkg> README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
• 173[01:33:40] <sney> OWFI: ^ this for gdm3 might point you in the right direction. I don't use gdm3 but just a guess.
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• 179[01:36:30] <OWFI> sney, I checked multiple fonts, last time it worked, but I reinstalled Debian because an Issue, and then when I tried to configure it like last time... it didn't worked :(
• 180[01:37:21] <sney> OWFI: none of that means anything out of context. if you want help you will need to provide more details for those of us who can't see your screen.
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• 183[01:41:01] <OWFI> I have now installed 2 desktop enviroment, GDM3 and Budgie, both has Gnome libraries and that's why is nice to work with them, when I customize the Grub, Login and Lock wallpaper I usually accessed to the themes folders and changed just the file and worked, but now I don't know why the default Debian screen (gray) appears besides I applied all the changes as multiple videos and guides showed.
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• 188[01:47:03] <sney> OWFI: do not private message people without asking. keep all questions in the channel.
• 189[01:47:32] <OWFI> Oh sorry
• 190[01:48:25] <OWFI> :'(
• 191[01:48:42] <sney> anyway, as I said, I don't use gdm3. I don't really know anything about it. if you have a specific question about a specific config file or something specific you tried, I can help you figure out the next step.
• 192[01:49:23] <sney> but I don't magically know the details of whatever video or guide you remember looking at, or what files you changed, etc.
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• 195[01:53:30] <OWFI> If you access to the path /etc/alternatives here you find multiple files, but You also are able to find the following files: desktop-login-background, desktop-grub, desktop-background. THose files are in svg extension, I made the corresponding changes, the Grub picture works fine, but the other ones not, and I don't know why it didn't work this time.
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• 197[01:56:31] <sney> you should be using galternatives or update-alternatives to change those.
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• 203[01:58:49] <dD_> sney: so I've been searching one by one but i cannot find libpng12 anywhere
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• 210[02:00:52] <sney> dD_: ah, looks like libpng12 is only in oldstable. in buster we have libpng16-16, you could try installing that and symlinking the .so file to the one the firmware tool expects
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• 213[02:01:12] <dD_> sney: it asks me for both, do you think it'll be a problem?
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• 218[02:02:29] <sney> both! I think whoever developed this tool didn't clean up their dependencies. but it probably doesn't need 2 distinct versions of libpng to update firmware, you just need to convince the app that they're there
• 219[02:02:30] <dD_> sney: or is it possible to just download the libpng12 file that it needs? Or will this be a terrible idea?
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• 221[02:02:46] <dD_> sney: OK :]
• 222[02:03:05] <sney> on a live environment it doesn't matter what you break, so you could download the libpng12 deb from packages.debian.org if it comes to that. but I doubt you will need to.
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• 237[02:13:25] <dfcnvt> Hello
• 238[02:13:54] <dfcnvt> Is there a way to install a new Debian OS to my new SSD drive -- via on my old Debian system?
• 239[02:14:09] <sney> !debootstrap
• 240[02:14:09] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. replaced-url
• 241[02:14:41] <dfcnvt> Thanks, that's a good start.
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• 243[02:15:16] <dfcnvt> Look like the webpage's down >> replaced-url
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• 245[02:15:41] <dD_> sney: sorry to be so thick, but where should i link the so files?
• 246[02:16:03] <quadrathoch2> dfcnvt working for me
• 247[02:16:43] <dfcnvt> Huh, okay.
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• 249[02:16:58] <dfcnvt> Maybe it's my pia
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• 253[02:18:04] <sney> some ip ranges are blocked by wiki.debian.org. anyway, the install guide has good debootstrap info as well as 'man debootstrap'
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• 278[02:49:07] <BalooRJ> Does anyone know if there is a way to uninstall the Firefox-ESR package without it installing Epiphany browser, or vice versa
• 279[02:51:08] <quadrathoch2> BalooRJ you need to remove both (plus chromium) at the same time
• 280[02:51:31] <BalooRJ> quadrathoch2 - So basically install and purge all three simultaneously?
• 281[02:51:46] <annadane> is that accurate? i thought this was essentially what equivs was meant for
• 282[02:51:58] <dD_> sney: so the symlinking did not work, it caught on. Hope downloading the original file works
• 283[02:52:13] <BalooRJ> I use Pale Moon and ungoogled-chromium, so no need for the other browsers
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• 285[02:52:46] <quadrathoch2> BalooRJ hm i wouldn't say installing but yeah
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• 287[02:53:05] <quadrathoch2> annadane idk, it worked for me ;)
• 288[02:53:14] <dD_> is it possible to download a specific file from a debian repository without downloading the whole package?
• 289[02:53:17] <annadane> i would probably not recommend what you did
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• 291[02:53:41] <annadane> BalooRJ, i'd probably recommend looking into equivs so you can satisfy the replaced-url
• 292[02:53:51] <abrotman> dpkg: equivs
• 293[02:53:51] <dpkg> equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>.
• 294[02:54:18] <BalooRJ> abrotman annadane. Thank you!
• 295[02:54:23] <annadane> it's not good for dependency resolution willy-nilly, but for stuff like the described situation it's fine
• 296[02:54:57] <quadrathoch2> annadane thanks, learned something :)
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• 324[03:30:59] <dD_> Does anyone have any experience with kingston's firmware update tool for gnu/linux? I just spent some time installing the dependencies on a debian live usb and trying to run it. Finally it ran, but it doesn't find the SSD I'm searching for (although I'm running from a live usb, not from the SSD i want to check)
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• 338[03:50:22] <sney> dD_: if you can see the ssd in e.g. 'parted -l' and it shows the right serial/model, and the firmware tool still doesn't find it, then it's most likely a problem with the firmware tool.
• 339[03:50:37] <sney> and... outdated dependencies are a common sign that development has been abandoned.
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• 344[03:54:43] <dD_> sney: Thanks, checking. The tool has been abandoned partially, but at least on AUR (for arch linux) the maintainer is posting, and people have been successful in using the tool as recently as last month.
• 345[03:56:25] <dD_> sney: I can see the SSD, but I'm guessing the tool has to be installed in the same drive the SSD is installed. :(
• 346[03:56:45] <sney> no, linux hardware access doesn't work that way
• 347[03:57:03] <sney> in fact it's recommended *not* to run firmware updaters from inside the device being updated. for safety.
• 348[03:57:31] <dD_> sney: thanks, that's what I thought, but I'm at a loss as to why it won't see anything
• 349[03:58:21] <dD_> actually, on the command line the kingston is shown
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• 351[03:58:29] <dD_> but the GUI won't say anything about it
• 352[03:58:47] <sney> can you update from the command line?
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• 355[03:59:39] <dD_> sney: instructions are not very clear, but from what I can tell, no.
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• 357[04:00:43] <dD_> do you think it matters if they're mounted?
• 358[04:00:55] <warsoul> i just did a fresh install
• 359[04:01:00] <warsoul> cant listen to my speakers
• 360[04:01:01] <sney> it shouldn't. if anything, it should not be mounted
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• 371[04:12:59] <android> using debian irssi it complains about local issuer cert. when attempting to connect to freenode with tls verify what is the problem?
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• 373[04:14:29] <sney> !errors
• 374[04:14:29] <dpkg> If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>.
• 375[04:14:39] <ectospasm> android: could it be the node you're conecting to has a self-signed cert? Try (from your shell): `openssl s_client -connect <hostname_of_irc_node>:<port>`
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• 377[04:15:16] <android> it doesnt need local issuer cert does it?
• 378[04:15:22] <android> try that?
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• 380[04:16:05] <ectospasm> android: you might not have the CA cert/chain for the CA that signed that cert.
• 381[04:16:38] <ectospasm> the openssl command should at least tell you what CA signed it, and there might even be a URL to the CA cert/chain
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• 384[04:17:59] <android_> it is something debian specific
• 385[04:18:09] <jmcnaught> what is the error message?
• 386[04:18:48] <android_> I gave the short of it
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• 388[04:18:59] <android_> loiks for local issuer cert
• 389[04:19:01] <android_> why
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• 391[04:19:52] <dD_> sney: so the way the package works in arch, it installs everything in /opt/kfu/bin and /opt/kfu/firmware and the executable is run from there. I tried copying it to those folders and running it, but still nothing. Do you think there's soemthing else I shoud try in there?
• 392[04:20:29] <sney> well, since it had a stretch-era dependency, maybe it's looking for something specific in the stretch kernel, and you could try a stretch liveusb instead
• 393[04:20:51] <android_> warning Could not verify TLS servers certificate: unable to get local issuer certificate
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• 398[04:22:52] <dfcnvt> How do I change the format to date & time -- instead of just 'Wed 10:22 PM'? replaced-url
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• 401[04:25:12] <dfcnvt> I would like to see something like, "June (6/17/20) Wed 10:23 PM"
• 402[04:25:33] <search_social> hi dfcnvt
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• 405[04:25:44] <sney> dfcnvt: not a lot of gnome users here but I assume there's a clock section in the system settings widget somewhere
• 406[04:25:50] <jmcnaught> dfcnvt: under Tweaks in the Top Bar section there are toggles for weekday, date, and seconds.
• 407[04:27:13] <dfcnvt> jmcnaught: Thanks, I guess that should sufficient. Won't match up to what I wanted.
• 408[04:28:43] <jmcnaught> dfcnvt: there might be something on replaced-url
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• 410[04:32:20] <dfcnvt> Thanks guys -- I think I'm happy with Top-Bar
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• 413[04:33:00] <ectospasm> android_: that looks like you don't have the CA cert/chain for the CA that signed that node's cert.
• 414[04:33:51] <android> X3
• 415[04:34:02] <android> supposed to be all crosssigned
• 416[04:34:11] <android> a big blob of certs
• 417[04:34:56] <ectospasm> android: That means nothing. "Crosssigned?" By whom or what?
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• 419[04:38:09] <sney> android: is it possible that you don't have ca-certificates installed?
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• 449[05:18:04] <dfcnvt> I'm unable to run `gnome-logs` with root permission >> replaced-url
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• 451[05:21:53] <jmcnaught> dfcnvt: if you add your user to the adm and systemd-journal groups you'll be able to read logs without sudo/root.
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• 454[05:26:44] <dfcnvt> jmcnaught: How?
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• 456[05:27:26] <dfcnvt> replaced-url
• 457[05:27:56] <jmcnaught> "sudo adduser dfcnvt adm"
• 458[05:28:07] <sney> usermod -aG adm,systemd-journal youruser
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• 461[05:29:54] <dfcnvt> replaced-url
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• 463[05:30:40] <sney> ..you don't need to use sudo now that you did that
• 464[05:30:50] <sney> though you will need to log out/in for the groups to take effect
• 465[05:31:36] <dfcnvt> replaced-url
• 466[05:31:42] <dfcnvt> Oh okay
• 467[05:31:48] <dfcnvt> Going to restart my comptuer.
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• 470[05:33:42] <sney> some day someone will write a one-liner explaining that sudo is not the magic "do what I want" button and what it's actually for
• 471[05:34:00] <sney> stupid xkcd meme
• 472[05:34:51] <annadane> /usr/sbin/sandwich
• 473[05:36:21] <sney> make: *** No rule to make target 'me a sandwich'. Stop.
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• 651[09:12:40] <r3m1> how can we know when are scheduled the cronjobs in cron.daily ?
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• 659[09:25:29] <r3m1> oskie: oh right..., thanks :)
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• 704[10:02:20] <miskatonic> it's now midterm of the Buster period
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• 707[10:06:11] <ratrace> miskatonic university midterms? :)
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• 714[10:10:41] <miskatonic> no, midterm between two stable releases
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• 771[11:21:06] <PaddyF> somebody told me to stop mentioning the oudated security manual ( replaced-url
• 772[11:21:20] <PaddyF> could somebody explain this situation to me?
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• 774[11:21:58] <PaddyF> ---> excellent resource but the last update was for debian 8 - replaced-url
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• 785[11:33:34] <omenius> could bad actor extract my luks encryption keys from my RAM with local access?
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• 791[11:44:41] <android_> omenius yeah learn C for memory managment
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• 793[11:46:00] <android_> necesarry fir securiry
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• 795[11:46:18] <android_> and find me a machine with edo ram
• 796[11:46:41] <android_> maybe beed to go jack to the 90s
• 797[11:46:55] <android_> hard solder it in
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• 799[11:47:40] <android_> the voltage stays for a couple seconds
• 800[11:48:05] <android_> they put it into a dump device
• 801[11:48:16] <android_> pull it while its running
• 802[11:49:00] <android_> its what the robots did
• 803[11:49:06] <android_> I was attacked
• 804[11:49:40] <android_> and the robots left what they could
• 805[11:50:10] <android_> without hacing access to the physucal layer
• 806[11:51:12] <android_> rememver skynet
• 807[11:51:19] <android_> coding code
• 808[11:51:35] <android_> you may ask wgere all of these oeople cime frim
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• 810[11:52:32] <android_> what now?
• 811[11:52:47] <android_> it didnt go as planned
• 812[11:52:54] <android_> heh what does
• 813[11:53:26] <omenius> the robots?
• 814[11:53:42] <android_> yeah
• 815[11:53:56] <android_> maybe spirits
• 816[11:54:06] <omenius> die roboter
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• 818[11:54:14] <android_> but they begin to have self awarness
• 819[11:54:26] <omenius> man are you okay
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• 821[11:55:06] <android_> is anybody?
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• 823[11:55:58] <omenius> i guess no
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• 825[11:56:19] <android_> but we always ask
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• 827[11:58:23] <android_> I used luks with the backuo headers and found it didnt wirk according to specifications
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• 832[11:59:58] <android_> you could talk a good talk on here but try and get your software to do it
• 833[12:00:48] <android_> did you find what is needed
• 834[12:01:14] <android_> a basic cinsumer pc from the 90s can do eveeythibg you need
• 835[12:01:19] <omenius> yeah I were just wondering about if my keys could be extracted from ram
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• 837[12:01:29] <omenius> i need to start using different passwords
• 838[12:01:31] <android_> everything else is prerty much trash
• 839[12:01:46] <android_> you fould use sun if you didnt want 386 code
• 840[12:02:01] <android_> everything ekse mostly junk
• 841[12:02:26] <android_> omenius yeah try changing your password
• 842[12:02:31] <android_> get locked out
• 843[12:02:53] <android_> useless
• 844[12:03:10] <android_> except to find it doesnt work
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• 847[12:04:47] <android_> maybe she was considered retarded
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• 850[12:05:02] <android_> the girl in the asimiv book
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• 852[12:05:14] <android_> nemesis
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• 854[12:05:29] <omenius> you are very cryptic person
• 855[12:05:39] <omenius> I don't get half of the references
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• 857[12:06:05] <android_> ok
• 858[12:06:18] <android_> get stuck reading
• 859[12:06:18] <omenius> what's the asimiv book
• 860[12:06:40] <android_> not an executuin but not really your hipes is it
• 861[12:06:47] <android_> reading books
• 862[12:07:00] <android_> moar books!
• 863[12:07:13] <omenius> yeah I'm quite young, we don't read books anymore
• 864[12:07:15] <android_> not what you hope for
• 865[12:07:41] <android_> hit your books and get over it
• 866[12:07:42] <omenius> my add is getting the better of me
• 867[12:08:21] <android_> asimov
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• 870[12:08:51] <android_> you get asimov and herbert
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• 872[12:09:09] <android_> read up
• 873[12:09:17] <omenius> i should
• 874[12:10:26] <android_> write some code
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• 876[12:11:53] <android_> s9mething went wring wuth this network
• 877[12:12:32] <android_> then siftware wenr bad
• 878[12:12:55] <android_> you could maybe fix it
• 879[12:13:10] <android_> I could pay you
• 880[12:14:36] <omenius> i doubt i could fix anything
• 881[12:14:42] <android_> you do some hibesr wirk
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• 883[12:14:59] <android_> honest work
• 884[12:15:10] <ayekat> !ops
• 885[12:15:10] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
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• 888[12:16:06] <android_> ok send a memo if interslested
• 889[12:16:20] <android_> interested
• 890[12:17:09] <EdePopede> if you can ignore most of today's web a basic consumer pc from the 90s actually could be enough. maybe also videos, mp3 should be fine.
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• 900[12:19:17] <omenius> i'm no network admin
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• 902[12:19:31] <omenius> btw. have you noticed how birds sound like old phone modem
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• 905[12:20:04] <omenius> i wonder what they are "saying"
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• 909[12:21:10] <apus> hi, i'm using debian stretch and have backports enabled. when i look via apt search i see docker-compose in version 1.8.0-2 all, while packages.debian.org shows version 1.21.0-3-bpo9+1. how can i update to the newer version?
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• 911[12:21:42] <EdePopede> ,v docker-compose
• 912[12:21:43] <judd> Package: docker-compose on amd64 -- stretch: 1.8.0-2; stretch-backports: 1.21.0-3~bpo9+1; buster: 1.21.0-3; bullseye: 1.25.0-1; sid: 1.25.0-1
• 913[12:22:16] <apus> it shows as docker-compose/oldstable,oldstable,now 1.8.0-2 all
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• 915[12:22:33] <BCMM> apus: enabling backports does not generally cause everything to be upgraded to the backports version
• 916[12:22:36] <EdePopede> apt-cache policy docker-compose # what does it say?
• 917[12:22:54] <BCMM> apus: you will need to specifically ask it to use the backports package
• 918[12:23:22] <apus> EdePopede: Version table: 1.21.0-3-... 100 and *** 1.8.0-2 500
• 919[12:23:57] <apus> BCMM: ah i didn't know that, how can I ask it to use the backports version
• 920[12:24:18] <BCMM> apus: apt-get -t stretch-backports install docker-compose
• 921[12:24:20] <BCMM> or something like that
• 922[12:24:23] <BCMM> see replaced-url
• 923[12:24:36] <otisolsen70> I have just upgraded from Debian 9 to Debian 10. After upgrade apache2 will not start. It is likely something in my config. So I have tried doing "mv /etc/apache2 /etc/apache2-bak" and then did "apt reinstall apache2" in order to get a new clean config that just works. Then I can merge in my changes. But it still fails to start. Complaining that it cannot find /etc/apache2/apache2.conf. How do I restore this?
• 924[12:24:48] <otisolsen70> I mean: How do I restore the entire default config that just works?
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• 926[12:25:03] <jmcnaught> !confmiss
• 927[12:25:03] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
• 928[12:25:04] <apus> EdePopede, BCMM: thank you both for your help!
• 929[12:25:11] <BCMM> apus: the whole idea of backports is that you install new versions of specifically-selected packages while leaving the rest of your system as close to stable debian as possible
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• 931[12:25:33] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, aptitude > apt now?
• 932[12:25:34] <BCMM> apus: or, in this case, oldstable debian. you know stretch has now been replaced by a new release, right?
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• 934[12:26:31] <jmcnaught> otisolsen70: aptitude has a reinstall command, you could also try "apt --reinstall install …" instead
• 935[12:26:37] <apus> BCMM: yes, this is an older VM that just has to function at the moment, so i will migrate it later.
• 936[12:26:46] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, apt has reinstall also?
• 937[12:26:48] <BCMM> good good
• 938[12:26:55] <jmcnaught> otisolsen70: or restore your original /etc/apache2 directory and show us some errors or logs.
• 939[12:27:16] <jmcnaught> otisolsen70: no, that's why I said "apt --reinstall install…" or you could just use aptitude like in the factoid.
• 940[12:27:24] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, yeah the problem is I got no errors. Nothing in the logs or anything. That is why I gave up figuring out what was wrong and went for the default config
• 941[12:27:59] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, well man apt says it has a reinstall command. And it also reponds to it. Maybe you think of apt-get?
• 942[12:28:18] <jmcnaught> otisolsen70: probably
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• 944[12:28:53] <otisolsen70> Will just use aptitude to reinstall with confmiss.
• 945[12:29:01] <jmcnaught> otisolsen70: the apt tool that is used isn't important, the dpkg options are.
• 946[12:29:42] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, just reinstalled with the confimiss option. Now it still fails... But now with an actual error: AH00534: apache2: Configuration error: No MPM loaded.
• 947[12:29:54] <otisolsen70> It is a bit strange it fails with a default config, no?
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• 950[12:31:46] <jmcnaught> otisolsen70: what does "dpkg -l | grep apache2" say?
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• 998[13:09:29] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, Sorry, my connection to my IRC client went down for a bit. dpkg -l |grep apache is here: replaced-url
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• 1002[13:18:27] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, I thought mpm was part of apache core
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• 1006[13:20:36] <jmcnaught> otisolsen70: MPMs are in apache2-bin, but you have that installed. When you had your original /etc/apache2/ where did you look for errors?
• 1007[13:21:05] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, /var/apache2/error.log (it was 0 bytes)
• 1008[13:21:26] <jmcnaught> otisolsen70: also noticing you have old versions of php sticking around from jessie and stretch, but you can deal with that after
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• 1012[13:22:06] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, just purged these: apache2.2-bin* apache2.2-common* libapache2-mod-php5*
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• 1015[13:23:27] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, replaced-url
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• 1023[13:27:19] <jmcnaught> otisolsen70: how much was configured in /etc/apache2 before this? If it was more than just a couple of simple tweaks then I would restore that configuration and troubleshoot it.
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• 1025[13:27:30] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, quite a lot
• 1026[13:27:40] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, I can try and restore /etc/apache2
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• 1036[13:29:40] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, this is status now: replaced-url
• 1037[13:29:47] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, restored old config dir.
• 1038[13:29:58] <otisolsen70> And tried to start it
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• 1041[13:30:55] <jmcnaught> otisolsen70: /var/log/apache2/error.log is still empty?
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• 1043[13:31:19] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, yes
• 1044[13:31:27] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, and disk is not full :)
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• 1046[13:35:55] <jmcnaught> otisolsen70: if you run "apache2ctl -S" does it show a different file for "Main ErrorLog"?
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• 1048[13:36:23] <jmcnaught> otisolsen70: or are there any other logs that have changed in /var/log/apache2 since you tried to start apache2?
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• 1055[13:39:44] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, yes. It mentions another log file. I checked this, it says: AH00016: Configuration Failed
• 1056[13:40:13] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, this was from apache2ctl -S
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• 1058[13:40:20] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, that I got the other log file.
• 1059[13:40:33] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, this is because part of my custom configuration is to set a different log location.
• 1060[13:40:40] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, so at least that part of my config works.
• 1061[13:40:54] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, but something in it does not.
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• 1063[13:41:24] <jmcnaught> otisolsen70: are there more detailed errors in the logs?
• 1064[13:41:51] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, no. Not other than from before the upgrade.
• 1065[13:41:57] <otisolsen70> So nothing relevant to this
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• 1067[13:42:34] <otisolsen70> I did an apachectl configtest. It says: Syntax OK
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• 1069[13:42:56] <otisolsen70> So appearently my conf is not completely broken. But something in it fails
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• 1072[13:44:18] <jmcnaught> otisolsen70: a lot of the results coming up for that AH00016 error are related to TLS certificates or keys not being found.
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• 1075[13:44:58] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, ok, but that would fail before the upgrade as well. If I pointed to a cert that was missing. Right?
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• 1077[13:45:19] <jmcnaught> otisolsen70: that's probably just because it's a common mistake. The message actually just means "Configuration failed."
• 1078[13:45:42] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, I agree
• 1079[13:45:55] <jmcnaught> otisolsen70: have you disabled the php5.6 and php7.0 modules?
• 1080[13:46:46] <jmcnaught> otisolsen70: "a2query -m | grep php"
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• 1082[13:47:13] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, produces: php7.0 (enabled by site administrator)
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• 1088[13:50:09] <jmcnaught> otisolsen70: "a2dismod php7.0 && a2enmod php7.3" (might not fix it but you want to do this anyways)
• 1089[13:50:37] <otisolsen70> Tried this actually. And it still fails
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• 1091[13:52:54] <jmcnaught> otisolsen70: you could try increasing LogLevel to get more information out of the logs: replaced-url
• 1092[13:54:21] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, good point!
• 1093[13:54:22] <otisolsen70> [Thu Jun 18 13:54:05.929837 2020] [ssl:info] [pid 11420] AH01887: Init: Initializing (virtual) servers for SSL
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• 1095[13:57:09] <otisolsen70> I checked Openssl is installed
• 1096[13:57:13] <otisolsen70> openssl is already the newest version (1.1.1d-0+deb10u3).
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• 1108[14:10:49] <jmcnaught> otisolsen70: it's too bad that the errors aren't more helpful. Is it possible that you have a SSLCipherSuite specified that is no longer compatible?
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• 1134[14:46:21] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, I found this: /etc/apache2/mods-available/ssl.conf: SSLCipherSuite HIGH:!aNULL
• 1135[14:46:44] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, but this is not something I configured myself. It must have been part of the config that was provided in the debian 9 dist
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• 1137[14:48:04] <jmcnaught> otisolsen70: that should be fine.
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• 1140[14:49:56] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, ok, I just did a2dissite on all sites. Then it does start.
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• 1142[14:50:07] <otisolsen70> So now I guess I just need to enable them one at a time.
• 1143[14:50:11] <otisolsen70> (there are a lot)
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• 1145[14:50:40] <jmcnaught> otisolsen70: well that's progress at least.
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• 1148[14:50:53] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, yes. Thank you very much for your help so far!
• 1149[14:52:06] <jmcnaught> otisolsen70: you're welcome, I hope you figure it out without too much more stress :)
• 1150[14:52:43] <otisolsen70> Is thre a place I cna find an outline of the major differences in config in apache in debian 9 to debian 10?
• 1151[14:53:02] <otisolsen70> I just want to be sure that my config is not entirely unsecure now... Because of cahnged defaults and the like.
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• 1153[14:54:37] <Logg> I don't remember there being major changes.
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• 1156[14:55:40] <jmcnaught> If there was anything major it would be in the package's changelog or /usr/share/doc/apache2/NEWS
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• 1172[15:19:36] <srte> is there some reason why coreutils hasn't been updated in a rather long time?
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• 1176[15:21:38] <jmcnaught> The version in buster is newer than the one in stretch, how ofter should it be updated?
• 1177[15:21:47] <jmcnaught> *often
• 1178[15:21:54] <nkuttler> ,v coreutils
• 1179[15:21:55] <judd> Package: coreutils on amd64 -- jessie: 8.23-4; stretch: 8.26-3; buster: 8.30-3; bullseye: 8.30-3+b1; sid: 8.30-3+b1
• 1180[15:22:43] <nkuttler> looks ~2y old, yeah replaced-url
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• 1182[15:23:34] <nkuttler> hm, it's not a team maintaining it replaced-url
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• 1187[15:29:44] <srte> @nkuttler that's why i'm asking, maybe there is some reason for that
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• 1212[15:46:34] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, found the offending site. It was a virtualhost running Trac.
• 1213[15:46:41] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, not sure what the actual problem is though.
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• 1217[15:47:57] <jmcnaught> otisolsen70: can you make a paste of the virtualhost?
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• 1219[15:48:02] <otisolsen70> I have just upgraded to Debian 10. After the upgrade, the user replaced-url
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• 1241[16:08:21] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, and the ssl certs are there.
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• 1243[16:08:47] <otisolsen70> Maybe this is about mod_fcgid
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• 1362[17:43:34] <search_social> Hi, I am installing from Debian 10.4 and then upgrading the kernel from 4 to 5, is there anyway to directly install the kernel as 5?
• 1363[17:44:27] <greycat> only if you can find an installer where someone has already made that modification
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• 1365[17:46:59] <search_social> Is it hard to make that modification?
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• 1367[17:47:24] <greycat> many years ago, there was a guy named kmuto who used to release installers with newer kernels, but I haven't heard of anyone taking that role recently
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• 1370[17:48:24] <search_social> cool
• 1371[17:48:36] <search_social> but i mean can i just upload the kernal5.deb to the cd or something?
• 1372[17:48:49] <greycat> !d-i
• 1373[17:48:49] <dpkg> Information about the development of the debian-installer is at the developers page replaced-url
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• 1376[17:49:24] <search_social> cool thanks
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• 1483[19:16:29] <borrougagnou> hello ! I come here few month ago and I looking for the link about "check if software is installed or not" (and why "which" is dangerous)
• 1484[19:17:00] <borrougagnou> but I don't remember the link x.x
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• 1487[19:18:12] <annadane> i don't know about which but you can check if you have a package installed with dpkg -l <package>
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• 1490[19:20:10] <borrougagnou> no it's for a bash script and it's about if software exist or not + if it's a build-in or not
• 1491[19:20:21] <borrougagnou> *if package exist
• 1492[19:20:50] <greycat> /msg greybot faq exists
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• 1497[19:21:55] <borrougagnou> yes it's a similar website, but for which command
• 1498[19:22:12] <greycat> /msg greybot which
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• 1504[19:24:53] <borrougagnou> hmmm I see
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• 1507[19:25:43] <borrougagnou> what is the best thing to exit 1 if one command fail into bash script ?
• 1508[19:25:52] <borrougagnou> *so, what is the best
• 1509[19:26:22] <joepublic> might you say that in different words? I am experience trouble parsing it
• 1510[19:26:46] <borrougagnou> because personally I create function, and if $result -eq 0 return; else; exit 1
• 1511[19:27:08] <borrougagnou> but my friend said me I can <command> || exit 1 or use "set -e"
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• 1514[19:27:20] <greycat> He's asking "should I use set -e or not", and the answer is HELL NO YOU SHOULD NEVER USE set -e, but Debian's policy disagrees with me, and the correct bot triggers to show the Bash FAQ URLs would require him to be in #bash rather than #debian.
• 1515[19:27:48] <greycat> /msg greybot faq set -e
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• 1520[19:28:47] <joepublic> nothing wrong with if 0 cool else exit 1, nothing wrong with command || exit 1
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• 1524[19:31:03] <borrougagnou> perfect ! really thank you for the link
• 1525[19:31:37] <karlpinc> greycat: I've occasionally used "set -e" as part of debugging....
• 1526[19:31:38] <jelly> well, debian policy for installation scripts isn't necessarily the best policy for any other type of script
• 1527[19:32:18] <karlpinc> although so infrequently I can't recall the last time I did so.
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• 1531[19:35:13] <jelly> grep set.-e ~/bin/*|wc -l ... 17 :-D
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• 1534[19:35:58] <greycat> you also have to count "#!/bin/sh -e" and variants
• 1535[19:36:26] <greycat> also, grep -c
• 1536[19:36:33] <jelly> that was never my style, I think
• 1537[19:36:55] <jelly> bin/_create_report:#!/bin/sh -e
• 1538[19:37:01] <jelly> well fu..
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• 1546[19:43:33] <annadane> so debian packages (i assume preinst scripts) do use set -e and then patch around it, or something?
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• 1550[19:45:49] <greycat> the common way to patch around set -e's brokenness is to throw ||true everywhere
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• 1561[19:51:20] <Johann> debian packages use set -e and explicitly handle cases where false return values are expected
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• 1626[20:34:38] <karlpinc> annadane: I imgine the idea is to always be notified when there's a bug in the script throwing an unexpected error.
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• 1645[20:49:13] <isuldor> hello. I'm trying to set up postfix. The daemon doesn't appear to read any of my configuration from /etc/postfix/main.cf should I be using a different path?
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• 1647[20:50:33] <dfcnvt> I've installed a new Debian 10 (buster). In my previous Debian's version, I was able to brings both multiple-monitors into the same Desktop-workspace whenever I change it (Ctrl+Alt+Up/Down arrow). However, when I try that in Debian 10 (buster), it only one monitor changes to different desktop-workspace and did not include the 2nd monitor.
• 1648[20:50:38] <dfcnvt> How do I fix this?
• 1649[20:51:22] <n_1-c_k> isuldor, yes /etc/postfix/main.cf is right if you're not doing something weird.
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• 1651[20:52:21] <jmcnaught> dfcnvt: Have you checked the Workspaces section in Tweaks?
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• 1653[20:53:33] <dfcnvt> jmcnaught: Ah, perfect! "Workspaces span displays"
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• 1655[20:53:41] <dfcnvt> Thanks.
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• 1658[20:54:55] <karlpinc> isuldor: That's the right path. What does the log say? How do you know it's not reading the config?
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• 1662[20:56:04] <john_rambo> Just curious. Why isn't Avidemux in the repos ? I miss it badly & at the same time I don't install anything outside of the repos
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• 1668[20:57:55] <isuldor> well I had convinced myself that it was not reading main.cf because `postconf -d mydomain` shows "mydomain = localdomain" but on my other working system it shows the same. let me circle around this and think a bit.
• 1669[20:59:36] <dfcnvt> Is there an automatic solutions that will fill me in on what is missing and required to download and install? Rather than to leave me game-guessing on what's needed to resolve?
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• 1671[21:00:10] <dfcnvt> syslog analysis is one part of a solution but should comes with suggestion feature. (Not sure if it exist)
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• 1674[21:02:08] <jmcnaught> dfcnvt: what do you mean missing?
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• 1679[21:03:51] <karlpinc> isuldor: You could try: postfix check
• 1680[21:03:53] <dfcnvt> jmcnaught: Anything -- something that might be right under my nose.
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• 1682[21:05:36] <dfcnvt> jmcnaught: I'll give one example, an increasing temperature or a constant high temperature (cpu) that is not giving me an alarm or slapping my face and say, "Hey! Your CPU is too hot, you need to re-paste! Add the cooling system! Or patch this to your kernel"
• 1683[21:06:40] <dfcnvt> I mean, I had my experience (yesterday) that my computer will freeze/crash that I wasn't aware that I needed to upgrade to a new nvidia driver.
• 1684[21:06:43] <joepublic> a kernel cooling patch? apt-get dont-be-as-hot-anymore?
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• 1688[21:07:24] <dfcnvt> I had to pain-stakingly research it through syslog file whenever it got frozen, I put down note of the time and find that issues.
• 1689[21:07:54] <karlpinc> dfcnvt: I've used "mon". There's other log monitors. (And of course you need to have things logged, with, e.g., smartmontools, snmp stuff, etc.)
• 1690[21:07:56] <dfcnvt> It's all game-guessing that forced me to think -- why can't there be something automatically and figured itself out that all it need is an upgrade to nvidia driver.
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• 1692[21:08:35] <karlpinc> dfcnvt: Probably because somebody would need to keep up with all the heuristics.
• 1693[21:08:50] <joepublic> I suspect that "crashing due to heat" is almost never solved with a driver update, edge cases excluded
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• 1696[21:09:51] <Azrael_-> hi
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• 1699[21:10:23] <dfcnvt> I have no idea the mechanism behind it due to heat -- but we'll run on the guess that it's the Motherboard's automatic solution to halt all system before it reached to its threshold (protecting its cpu). But my point is -- prompt directly to the user and tell directly what I need to do.
• 1700[21:10:43] <dfcnvt> (Err, sorry for bad grammar)
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• 1702[21:11:03] <jmcnaught> For overheating specifically there is thermald but you still need to configure it.
• 1703[21:11:29] <joepublic> knowing the crash was due to heat assumes that your temperature monitoring has omniscient knowledge of all hardware and its operating temps, which in practice isn't quite the case
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• 1706[21:12:18] <dfcnvt> joepublic: lol -- soon, mate...soon. I predict there will be an AI in its place.
• 1707[21:12:47] <joepublic> That sounds like what you are describing, and I agree that it would tremendously help with usability
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• 1709[21:15:07] <dfcnvt> Completely off the point -- I wonder if there's a Machine Learning that will "act" like an OS -- and we simply just interact with it as if we're on Windows, Linux, OSX...
• 1710[21:16:05] <Azrael_-> i've got 2 preconfigured systems, on both systems the locale is set to "en_US.UTF-8" but on one of them the date format is the 12 hour format, on the other the 24 hour format. how can i switch to the 24 hour format on both?
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• 1712[21:17:37] <dfcnvt> Azrael_-: Maybe not answering to your question -- but do check in 'Tweaks' then navigate to 'Top Bar' Then check the clock
• 1713[21:18:38] <jmcnaught> Actually in GNOME 12 or 24 hour clock is in the main settings, but we don't know what DE (if at all) they are using yet.
• 1714[21:19:08] <Azrael_-> i'm on console, no gui
• 1715[21:19:21] <dfcnvt> Azrael_-: Other than that -- check Settings > Details > Date & Time
• 1716[21:19:45] <Azrael_-> no kde/gnome
• 1717[21:19:51] <dfcnvt> Then Time Format '24-hour'
• 1718[21:19:52] <dfcnvt> Hm
• 1719[21:19:52] <dfcnvt> Oka
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• 1724[21:20:59] <dfcnvt> Azrael_-: (Randomly researched on google) >> replaced-url
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• 1726[21:21:09] <dfcnvt> Maybe this >> # gsettings set com.canonical.indicator.datetime time-format 24-hour
• 1727[21:21:41] <joepublic> Azrael_-, comparing output of `locale` on both systems, is there any obvious difference?\
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• 1730[21:23:16] <CrystalMath> hi all! can the compose key work on the console?
• 1731[21:23:34] <CrystalMath> it seems to respond to it, but it doesn't actually do the character combination
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• 1733[21:24:14] <karlpinc> dfcnvt: Perhaps: dpkg-reconfigure locales I forget.
• 1734[21:24:35] <karlpinc> CrystalMath: Yes. But I don't know how.
• 1735[21:25:15] <Azrael_-> joepublic: already compared it. completely identical. that's why i'm asking here :)
• 1736[21:25:15] <karlpinc> Azrael_-: ^^
• 1737[21:25:40] <Azrael_-> dfcnvt> this is onlz for the ui, not console
• 1738[21:26:13] <joepublic> one of the answers there talked about LC_TIME which seemed potentially helpful
• 1739[21:26:32] <karlpinc> Azrael_-: I'm pretty sure there's _some_ package you can dpkg-reconfigure on, although there should be a setting in a config file too. I think.
• 1740[21:27:00] <Azrael_-> correct, but as both systems have the same LC_TIME and there is still the display difference, want to make it same on both of them
• 1741[21:27:14] <Azrael_-> karlpinc: probably yes, it isn't locale, but no idea what i have to reconfigure :)
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• 1743[21:28:41] <Azrael_-> got it, it was "tzdata" :)
• 1744[21:28:42] <Azrael_-> thanks
• 1745[21:29:37] <joepublic> what did you tell tzdata to get 24-hour time?
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• 1747[21:31:01] <Azrael_-> i didn't. first i reconfigured the time zone with timedatectl to the correct timezone. but this only changed the timezone and nothing else. tzdata offered me the same selections, but also change the date format without any option to set/change anything else beside the timezone
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• 1749[21:31:43] <joepublic> Okay, thanks
• 1750[21:32:00] <dbristow> Is there a "pg" package for debian? It's an older paging program like more or less, SysV era
• 1751[21:32:11] <dbristow> It didn't show up in the obvious search
• 1752[21:32:46] <sney> ,file bin/pg
• 1753[21:32:50] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
• 1754[21:32:55] <sney> doesn't look like it, dbristow
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• 1757[21:34:54] <skyliner_369> I'm writing a bash script. What's the cleanest way to check for installed packages? #bash told me to ask here.
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• 1762[21:36:15] <sney> parse the output of dpkg -l, maybe?
• 1763[21:36:51] <joepublic> skyliner_369, what are you checking for? The answer probably depends on what, specifically, you are checking for, for each case.
• 1764[21:37:58] <miskatonic> ,file /usr/bin/pg
• 1765[21:38:02] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
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• 1769[21:38:47] <skyliner_369> just whether the package is installed or not. mostly libs
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• 1771[21:39:12] <joepublic> bin/pg (no leading slash) will find /usr/bin/pg
• 1772[21:39:17] <HarryChen> miskatonic: you mean by finding a dpkg package or a binary file?
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• 1775[21:39:38] <skyliner_369> a package yeah.
• 1776[21:39:46] <miskatonic> whatever sney was looking for
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• 1779[21:40:21] <skyliner_369> libvorbis, for example
• 1780[21:40:33] <miskatonic> where are judd's commands documented?
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• 1782[21:41:01] <jmcnaught> miskatonic: replaced-url
• 1783[21:41:08] <sney> skyliner_369: try 'dpkg -l libvorbis*' in a terminal, think you could parse that for your script?
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• 1785[21:41:28] <Johann> dbristow: it's supposed to be in util-linux, it's still in the upstream but debian removed it replaced-url
• 1786[21:41:41] <Johann> "Stop shipping the deprecated 'pg' utility"
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• 1789[21:42:18] <joepublic> skyliner_369, perhaps something like `dpkg -l libvorbis0a || echo "Nope, not found"`
• 1790[21:42:39] <miskatonic> why is pg deprecated? security problems?
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• 1792[21:43:56] <skyliner_369> the || seems to be a touch odd. It'll often go to the OR area even upon success so... sigh
• 1793[21:44:24] <Johann> miskatonic: replaced-url
• 1794[21:44:35] <greycat> It's not "deprecated" because it never existed in the GNU world.
• 1795[21:45:12] <greycat> If you want to write one, go ahead and write it, and release it as free software, and see if anyone uses it.
• 1796[21:45:21] <joepublic> what is its behavior, relative to more or less, that more or less would not be a drop-in replacement?
• 1797[21:45:41] <greycat> It's not very similar to more/less.
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• 1800[21:46:28] <greycat> more is standardized by POSIX. pg is not. Nobody cares about pg.
• 1801[21:47:00] <Johann> pg is standardized by POSIX
• 1802[21:47:05] <greycat> It is not. I just checked.
• 1803[21:47:29] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 1806[21:47:51] <Johann> it has been removed from the latest specification, but it *is* standardize by POSIX
• 1807[21:48:12] <Johann> replaced-url
• 1808[21:48:14] <greycat> oh, *was* standardized... ok, I didn't search historical versions
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• 1811[21:50:31] <mason> Weird, never heard of pg before. replaced-url
• 1812[21:50:56] <greycat> "there's a reason for that"
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• 1830[22:17:56] <karlpinc> Doesn't pg paginate text documents?
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• 1832[22:19:04] <karlpinc> (for printing)
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• 1838[22:20:25] <ndorf> does anyone know a package in main that can create charts from InfluxDB data? (grafana is the obvious choice, but was removed from debian)
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• 1859[22:34:19] <darsie> How do I make a complete debian repository on a filesystem?
• 1860[22:34:31] <darsie> I want to copy it to a 64 GB SD card.
• 1861[22:34:47] <mason> darsie: Your own or a mirror of an existing one?
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• 1864[22:35:00] <darsie> no, but I have internet.
• 1865[22:35:13] <dvs> darsie, it won't fit on a 64GB card
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• 1867[22:35:51] <darsie> umm, mason, well, I want to keep it simple, so a mirror, I guess.
• 1868[22:36:18] <darsie> dvs: Aren't there like 6 or 8 DVDs for debian installer?
• 1869[22:36:20] <mason> darsie: You could look at something like replaced-url
• 1870[22:36:36] <dvs> darsie, it's closer to 20 DVDs
• 1871[22:36:41] <sney> !reprepro
• 1872[22:36:42] <dpkg> reprepro (formerly mirrorer) is a tool to produce, manage and sync a local repository of Debian packages. See /usr/share/doc/reprepro/short-howto.gz after package installation to set up a repository. Alternatively, ask me about <dpkg-scanpackages>.
• 1873[22:37:04] <mason> More things that are new to me.
• 1874[22:37:44] <darsie> It's for an offline PC, so I can easily install packages via SD card. It's suboptimal to manually download and sha256 verify packages and dependencies.
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• 1876[22:38:43] <sney> !apt-zip
• 1877[22:38:43] <dpkg> apt-zip has been removed post-wheezy (replaced-url
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• 1879[22:39:31] <darsie> Could I merge the first 10 or so DVDs. They're sorted by most popular packages, IIRC.
• 1880[22:40:08] <mason> darsie: I bet if you just grab the first few images you'd have most of what you want, if not everything. replaced-url
• 1881[22:40:16] <search_social> darsie: i also have interest in this
• 1882[22:40:45] <darsie> mason: Can I merge them onto one SD card?
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• 1884[22:41:12] <search_social> i think you need to mount them and get the .dpkg files out of them
• 1885[22:41:34] <search_social> you can also cache all .dpkg on any online pc with a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d that says
• 1886[22:41:37] <search_social> Binary::apt::APT::Keep-Downloaded-Packages "1";
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• 1888[22:41:46] <dvs> darsie, you can put on double blu-ray iso onto that SD card
• 1889[22:42:11] <darsie> dvs: Copy to one directory?
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• 1893[22:42:35] <search_social> i guess you could also mount all the isos and make each one a repository
• 1894[22:43:12] <darsie> It's our camera's SD card, so I don't want to 'burn' that iso onto the card.
• 1895[22:43:25] <dvs> darsie, the packages aren't stored in one directory. They are grouped together into pools.
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• 1897[22:44:27] <darsie> I want all in one directory. There can be any directory structure there, ofc.
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• 1899[22:45:42] <darsie> Or does the disc have to be copied to the card device, e.g. sdc?
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• 1901[22:46:44] <dvs> darsie, coping the .iso to sdc would overwrite everything on the card. this is what i thought you meant by "burning".
• 1902[22:46:44] <search_social> after you mount the sd card then you can mount the 16 isos inside that card
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• 1904[22:46:53] <mason> darsie: What you're describing seems like way more work that just downloading the images and making them available on separate media.
• 1905[22:46:54] <darsie> dvs: yes
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• 1907[22:47:35] <darsie> mason: I have 2 1 GB SD cards otherwise.
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• 1909[22:48:17] <darsie> I'd like to mount the image, then copy the content to the SD card filesystem.
• 1910[22:48:46] <darsie> Hmm, gotta check what filesystem it is ...
• 1911[22:48:53] <dvs> darsie, that's called a loop device which you can make out of the .iso image.
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• 1916[22:49:39] <darsie> prolly not ext4 or so. Maybe I can copi the .iso to the card filesystem and mount the iso image.
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• 1919[22:50:12] <darsie> If the file system supports that huge files.
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• 1923[22:51:40] <dvs> darsie, you can copy the .iso to your hard drive and mount the .iso using the loop mount option.
• 1924[22:51:48] <darsie> ok
• 1925[22:52:04] <darsie> s/hard drive/SD card
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• 1927[22:53:00] <dvs> no, hard drive
• 1928[22:53:22] <darsie> no, SD card
• 1929[22:53:24] <darsie> :)
• 1930[22:53:30] <dvs> you don't get it
• 1931[22:54:03] <darsie> I can have the iso on SD card, put it in offline PC and loop mount it.
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• 1933[22:54:15] <dvs> ah, I don't get it. ;-)
• 1934[22:54:18] <darsie> :)
• 1935[22:54:36] <darsie> /dev/sdc1 on /media/bernhard/disk type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096,uhelper=udisks2)
• 1936[22:54:47] <darsie> does fuseblk support that large files?
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• 1938[22:56:08] <darsie> Haven't heard of that fs.
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• 1941[22:57:50] <ndorf> it's not an fs, it's the driver that allows userspace fs implementations
• 1942[22:57:57] <darsie> Where are the double BR images?
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• 1945[22:58:16] <darsie> How do I know what fs it is? fdisk?
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• 1947[22:58:48] <EdePopede> file -s /dev/....
• 1948[22:58:51] <ndorf> i think lsblk should tell you
• 1949[22:59:23] <ndorf> oh, lsblk -no name,fstype
• 1950[22:59:30] <darsie> root@b:~# file -s /dev/sdc1
• 1951[22:59:30] <darsie> /dev/sdc1: DOS/MBR boot sector
• 1952[23:00:09] <ndorf> or: lsblk -no name,fstype /dev/sdc1
• 1953[23:00:27] <darsie> sdc1 exfat
• 1954[23:00:37] <ndorf> there you go
• 1955[23:00:49] <darsie> does that support this large files?
• 1956[23:01:12] <darsie> Where are the double BR images?
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• 1958[23:01:23] <ndorf> yes. no idea about that
• 1959[23:01:31] <darsie> thx
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• 1963[23:03:14] <ndorf> (exfat is simply fat32 + large file support)
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• 1969[23:04:46] <darsie> replaced-url
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• 1977[23:08:23] <dvs> darsie, you need to use jigdo to download the double blu-ray isos
• 1978[23:08:31] <darsie> ok
• 1979[23:08:46] <dvs> replaced-url
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• 1981[23:09:31] <dvs> That looks like about 80GB worth of packages.
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• 1983[23:10:12] <darsie> I have 50 GB free.
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• 1986[23:10:34] <dvs> then you should only download the first iso
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• 2031[23:51:17] <|aaron_> Hey all. So i'm in a situation where I need to use a on-prem debian mirror (Artifactory) but Acquire-By-Hash isn't enabled in the repo metadata. I'm working on getting that fixed, but in the meantime shouldn't I be able to just 'rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists && apt-get clean && apt-get update' to work around hash sum mismatches? That does the tricky on my jessie boxes, but not on stretch?
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