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6 [00:05:07] <sney> brabo: yep, and as documented at replaced-url
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9 [00:05:49] <sney> I'm not sure why the package depends on py3 specifically, and *that* might be a bug, except that it won't matter as soon as bullseye is released and nobody except the lunatics who disable Recommends from the get-go will even notice.
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12 [00:07:32] <brabo> sney: probably because whoever packaged it had the sanity to not let it depend on an obsolete python version?
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14 [00:08:13] <sney> except that package is for buster. if it were my package I would have it depend on python-defaults and let it follow the rest of the system
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24 [00:12:27] <brabo> sney: well, i guess this is an edge case in general, i get that debian for the stable doesn't mid-life want to switch python default to 3. even though now it's been 11 months since the eol of py2 was announced over a decade ago to be 5 years ago, and in 2014 set for 2020
25 [00:12:39] <brabo> damn
26 [00:13:00] <brabo> scratch the 11 months, that wa shalf thought about the 01/01/2020 exact date
27 [00:14:39] <sney> announcing an EOL and having a reasonable transition for one of the most popular OSes in the world are quite different things. This has been a long time coming and it can't be done casually. If you want to get into the weeds of the developer discussions on this, I'm sure there are a few novels on lists.debian.org
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31 [00:16:03] <sney> even after bullseye releases in mid-2021 or so, we'll likely still have a huge volume of people trying to support py2 code in various situations
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33 [00:16:41] <brabo> sney: uhm. 2014 the eol of py2 was announced for 2020
34 [00:16:43] <brabo> so uhm
35 [00:17:05] <brabo> and if anyone wants to support py2 code atm, then i think it's clear who to blame ^^
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37 [00:19:02] <sney> yeah and if every linux user was a solitary nerd doing their own thing then it wouldn't matter, but that is not the case. you don't seem to know the lengths that enterprises will go to in order to keep using legacy apps that they paid for.
38 [00:19:43] <sney> bullseye will have python3 as the default, and indeed won't have python2 available in the repos, and I predict there will be some 3rd party repo with python 2.7.100 that we'll all be arguing about for years to come
39 [00:20:12] <ksk> haha, agreeing on that :D
40 [00:20:17] <sney> "blame" is irrelevant when the software is still there and there are juggernauts still trying to use it.
41 [00:20:35] <ksk> if not a "deb27ian" fork ;)
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43 [00:21:25] <sney> we had this on the small scale with hexchat-python switching to 3 as the default and that's an irc client! but there are hundreds of py2 scripts from the 90s and early 00s where the developer is MIA and people still want to use the scripts
44 [00:21:58] <brabo> sney: oh i don't doubt it. but considering the first announcement of retirement of py2 was in.. 2008? i'd say blame is not unwarranted :)
45 [00:22:14] <sney> it's not unwarranted, it's just meaningless irl.
46 [00:22:29] <sney> may as well go yell at the ocean
47 [00:23:12] <ksk> I know it was a big effort for sabnzbd (usenet client) to switch to python3
48 [00:23:59] <ksk> brabo: just because upstream EOLs something does not mean its not enterprise standard still for ten years ;)
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50 [00:24:15] <karlpinc> cobol
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56 [00:34:21] <brabo> ksk: ;)
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78 [00:58:44] <orion> Hi. What is the proper IRC network/channel to ask RockPro64-related questions?
79 [00:58:58] <orion> (Specifically, I am trying to get Debian to boot off of the eMMC)
80 [00:59:40] <sney> if it's actually debian and not some weird vendor image, probably #debian-arm on OFTC
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86 [01:02:15] <orion> Thank you.
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153 [02:22:42] <gimmel> Hi everyone, I'm trying to build a new drive layout to then dd/rsync my install across (HDD -> SSD is the why). My target drive is to be LVM and LUKS. I'm just trying to get my head around what order to do things. I thought: 1/ fdisk, create partition with 8e type (LVM); 2/ LUKS the partition; 3/ open the LUKS; 4/Start the pv/lv create process. The issue is that pvcreate whinges that the filesystem is
154 [02:22:48] <gimmel> mounted. What process should I be following instead?
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156 [02:23:14] <ksk> why not just copy over the data (cp)?
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158 [02:24:12] <ksk> I dont really understand what you are trying to do tbh.
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160 [02:26:13] <gimmel> ksk: Well to cp I need a filesystem to cp to. What I'm trying to ascertain is how to setup a new drive paritioned and formatted with LVM and LUKS.
161 [02:27:18] <dvs> gimmel, but if you format a file system, won't those new partitions be empty?
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163 [02:28:41] <gimmel> dvs: yes, and then I'll copy the data from the old drive - most likely using either dd or rsync.
164 [02:29:14] <dvs> gimmel, I don't think you can do it with dd
165 [02:30:18] <gimmel> dvs: I can't dd an lvm partition to another?
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167 [02:31:34] <dvs> gimmel, I'm not that familiar with LVM but I thought the source partition was a "normal" partition.
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182 [02:47:11] <BalooRJ> Question for anyone using them
183 [02:47:23] <BalooRJ> does HDMI output work with a hybrid graphics setup on Debian yet?
184 [02:47:27] <BalooRJ> I'm using Optimus
185 [02:47:33] <BalooRJ> Er, Bumblebee.
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193 [02:55:37] <velix> Anyone with an idea, why I'm getting a permission denied here? replaced-url
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205 [03:07:09] <velix> Got it working.
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207 [03:12:15] <abrotman> BalooRJ: /msg dpkg bumblebee
208 [03:12:40] <abrotman> BalooRJ: you'd probably have to ask the project directly if the site isn't clear
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238 [03:40:42] <BalooRJ> abrotman - thanks
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275 [04:18:07] <jvwjgames> I'm having issues authenticating users on my RADIUS server I add the user to the users file like it says too and I even just to test added the user to users in the Web GUI. But my RADIUS server still cannot auth them. :(
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323 [05:29:03] <bigfluff> Aha, I've been using Debian-based distros for years and years, finally gave Debian Stable a go and can't see looking back :)
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330 [05:37:59] <seventwo> google is failing me... anyone know why i'm getting weird signature issues on apt-get update? this is happening on replaced-url
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372 [06:54:46] <jjakob> do I need to run systemd daemon-reload in postinst if installing or modifying systemd service files?
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427 [07:58:10] <Abrax> how do you view the list of chans you have registered
428 [07:58:31] <uplime> like irc channels?
429 [07:58:40] <Abrax> ya
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431 [07:58:48] <uplime> /msg nickserv listchans
432 [07:58:49] <Abrax> is there a chanserve command for that
433 [07:59:19] <Abrax> ah nice
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436 [08:01:48] <CrazyTux> hello..
437 [08:02:16] <CrazyTux> is there any gui tool to split audio files into multiple files?
438 [08:03:23] <nkuttler> CrazyTux: audacity
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440 [08:03:46] <CrazyTux> nkuttler, ok. How to do that on audacity?
441 [08:04:10] <nkuttler> read the manual?
442 [08:04:30] <CrazyTux> I'll install that package first
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446 [08:05:46] <CrazyTux> nkuttler, ok. Installed.
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451 [08:07:36] <Haohmaru> CrazyTux you do it by loading your audio and then clicking around
452 [08:07:49] <CrazyTux> Haohmaru, ok
453 [08:08:25] <CrazyTux> I got some info in the help documents
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462 [08:16:09] <CrazyTux> thanks a lot.
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506 [09:00:55] <Haohmaru> ,v inkscape
507 [09:00:57] <judd> Package: inkscape on amd64 -- jessie: 0.48.5-3; stretch: 0.92.1-1; buster: 0.92.4-3; buster-backports: 1.0-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1.0-1; sid: 1.0-1
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573 [09:47:27] <FesterJester> Hello all. I have a Debian 10 lxc container and I am trying to install "checkinstall", but I get "E: Unable to locate package checkinstall"
574 [09:48:06] <FesterJester> Google Fooing tells me it should be in the repo, but I have not had any success. What am I doing wrong here?
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581 [09:53:24] <nkuttler> FesterJester: did you run apt-get update?
582 [09:53:52] <nkuttler> ,v checkinstall
583 [09:53:53] <judd> Package: checkinstall on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.2-4; stretch: 1.6.2-4; buster-backports: 1.6.2+git20170426.d24a630-2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1.6.2+git20170426.d24a630-2; sid: 1.6.2+git20170426.d24a630-2
584 [09:54:05] <nkuttler> !tell FesterJester about backports
585 [09:54:08] <FesterJester> Ran apt update and apt dist-upgrade
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589 [09:56:35] <FesterJester> also rebooted the container
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594 [09:59:00] <nkuttler> FesterJester: you need backports
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603 [10:06:16] <FesterJester> Thanks!
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621 [10:28:18] * kreyren adds this on the vandalized wall of frankendebian cult in #debian replaced-url
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623 [10:32:28] <ratrace> kreyren: but how much franken is it?
624 [10:32:47] <kreyren> ratrace, all the way! replaced-url
625 [10:33:44] <kreyren> also on custom OS that is sandboxing kernels and userlands so it also has stablebian on the same system -> #debian has to provide support ahahah and custom exherbo linux with arch, fedora, redhatDeprecatedThing, Guix and gentoo on demand with custom modifications that are optimized on this system =~=
626 [10:33:47] <kreyren> and no SYSTEMD!
627 [10:33:58] <kreyren> well systemd on demand using custom sub init step if needed
628 [10:34:01] <kreyren> but no SYSTEMD!
629 [10:34:45] <ratrace> that's terrible, then :)
630 [10:35:27] <kreyren> ratrace, it's perfect!
631 [10:35:49] <kreyren> it only has identity disorder with devuan, debian and that weird cow from exherbo logos everywhere
632 [10:36:09] <ratrace> I don't even! :)
633 [10:36:20] <kreyren> and also no apt
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635 [10:36:24] <kreyren> because apt commited suicide
636 [10:36:33] <kreyren> We warship the cult of aptitude now
637 [10:36:46] <kreyren> you warship by pressing `?` and praying
638 [10:37:15] <kreyren> breaks only very often!
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643 [10:41:23] <ratrace> what if you submarine instead of warship?
644 [10:41:42] <kreyren> ratrace, i don't want to piss of the god of `?`
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647 [10:42:09] <kreyren> he was already very angry about me using -systemd
648 [10:42:18] <kreyren> you should see the errors!
649 [10:42:40] <ratrace> I can imagine them :)
650 [10:42:55] <ratrace> inb4 offtopic bannu hammeru tho... hint hint ;)
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652 [10:43:07] <kreyren> not too many though~
653 [10:43:11] <kreyren> replaced-url
654 [10:43:15] <kreyren> and they fixed itself O.o
655 [10:43:20] <kreyren> ish
656 [10:43:34] * kreyren runs away so that none can touch him with ban hammer then
657 [10:44:11] * kreyren is also pretty sure that greycat would invoke `/ignore *k*r*e*y*r*e*n*@*` if he saw this~
658 [10:44:58] <ratrace> unless he had a heart attack first :)
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660 [10:45:24] <kreyren> ratrace, nah he got used handling these when he saw my posix sh
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664 [10:46:59] <kreyren> peer-review for this would be nice though replaced-url
665 [10:47:23] <kreyren> ehh
666 [10:47:39] <kreyren> this replaced-url
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699 [11:29:26] <kreyren> Where is the debian on darknet page?
700 [11:29:31] * kreyren is looking for a pool for ntp
701 [11:30:18] <kreyren> onion.debian.org
702 [11:30:21] <kreyren> thanks kreyren
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704 [11:31:03] <kreyren> aaaahhh it doesn't have that~
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707 [11:33:52] <ratrace> unthank yourself now.
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764 [12:36:14] <ratrace> kreyren: because you gave yourself, and thanked for it, wrong info? :)
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768 [12:38:00] <gimmel> Hi all, I'm in the process of moving my LUKS/LVM install from one hard drive to another. I'm pretty sure I'm about 95% there. Everything is on the new drive, and grub launches. However, after the grub selection screen I get "Volume group 'vgssd' not found; Cannot process volume group vgssd" (vgssd is my *new* LVM vg). Then the same two lines repeat with my *old* LVM vg. Finally a line that says
769 [12:38:06] <gimmel> "cryptsetup: Waiting for encrypted source device" followed by the UUID of my boot partition. I've updated grub.cfg and fstab. What have I missed?
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772 [12:41:11] <gimmel> Huh, and after a while it times out and says that sda5_crypt couldn't be unlocked. That's a reference to the old drive. I think I need to update intramfs - any clues on how?
773 [12:41:34] <gimmel> s/intramfs/initfamfs
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776 [12:42:04] <tomtastic> Woop!, it's building finally after about four days! - replaced-url
777 [12:42:35] <tomtastic> Here's hoping mips build ok
778 [12:43:37] <RoyK> gimmel: check update-initramfs(8)
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782 [12:45:49] <gimmel> RoyK: Yeah I figured that's where I'm looking. I'm just not sure how to get into the system enough to access update-initramfs
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788 [12:47:22] <RoyK> gimmel: I don't have much experience with LUKS, but perhaps a live cd/usb/something might help out here?
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798 [12:54:23] <gimmel> RoyK: I've got Rescatux (a debian-based boot tool) that I can boot to on usb. It has update-initramfs built in, however when I run it it complains that it's on read-only media. Is there a way to tell it to update, say, /mnt/tempboot ?
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801 [12:55:30] <gimmel> aha "-b set alternate boot directory" never mind, let's try this
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803 [12:57:32] <gimmel> hm, no change after running update-initramfs -u -b /mnt/tempboot
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819 [13:13:24] <RoyK> gimmel: are you able to mount root?
820 [13:13:32] <RoyK> gimmel: and boot?
821 [13:13:46] <RoyK> if so, just chroot into them and run update-initramfs -a from there
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832 [13:17:14] <gimmel> RoyK: yes I can. I'm also thinking though that crypttab might be the culprit.
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846 [13:22:48] <gimmel> RoyK: so to make sure I follow you right - I need to do something like: mount /dev/mapper/vg-root /mnt/tmproot && mount /mnt/sda1 /mnt/tmproot/boot && chroot /mnt/tmproot ?
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866 [13:29:20] <gimmel> RoyK: I've chrooted into the /mnt/tmproot successfully. But update-initramfs is whinging about locale settings, and then fails with "mktemp: failed to create directory via template '/var/tmp/mkinitramfs_XXXXXXXX': No such file or directory
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873 [13:34:09] <gimmel> Also mounted the var partition, that seems to have been more successful.
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875 [13:34:15] <gimmel> time to reboot and try it
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882 [13:41:11] <gimmel> Ugh, similar issue. There must be something else that needs to be updated / changed
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893 [13:51:33] <kreyren> ratrace, true >.> Help me fix it !
894 [13:51:49] <kreyren> i need timesync through TCL o.o
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898 [13:55:41] <RoyK> gimmel: I'd say, make a backup of what's important and start an "upgrade" from a live thing or just run an automatic "repair". Better backup first. And make a backup ;)
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903 [13:59:35] <gimmel> RoyK: what's an automatic repair?
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912 [14:06:21] <StyXman> replaced-url
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914 [14:07:31] <StyXman> what it seems to be missing is AddType application/x-httpd-php .php, but my nextcloud is working perfectly without it
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918 [14:10:46] <RoyK> gimmel: rescue mode usually
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921 [14:11:08] <abrotman> StyXman: dont' you have to a2enmod php or something like that?
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929 [14:17:43] <StyXman> yes, it was actually this: replaced-url
930 [14:18:25] <StyXman> abrotman: thanks for helping
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932 [14:19:01] <ratrace> kreyren: sure, what do you need?
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944 [14:33:06] <kreyren> ratrace, some way to sync time ideally through tor assuming privacy being a concern~
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946 [14:33:18] <kreyren> where NTP seems to be using UDP that doesn't have tor support
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950 [14:33:30] <kreyren> and debian doesn't have timesync on onions
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954 [14:38:22] <ratrace> kreyren: not really sure how that would even work, given the huge latency of tor
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956 [14:38:48] <kline> kreyren: whats the use case where ntp is a privacy issue?
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965 [14:44:27] <kreyren> ratrace, true i have latency of 423ms atm but i guess that i could offset the fetched result with the latency ?
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967 [14:44:57] <kreyren> kline, Me researching into a privacy and this is currently a major leak O.o
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997 [15:06:24] <ksk> gimmel: cant you just use the installer to install debian to that new set of disks builtin to your computer?
998 [15:06:55] <ksk> gimmel: and then copy over stuff from old hdd. helps you avoid creating all that lvm and luks stuff.
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1000 [15:07:04] <ksk> *by hand.
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1018 [15:16:17] <kilobyte_ch> Is there a good guide to run debian wheezy with armhf on qemu arm emulator?
1019 [15:17:03] <kilobyte_ch> If I use vexpress I'm unable to get network connectivity. It shows the dialog "Detect network hardware" on installation without any option for virtio.
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1030 [15:21:48] <kline> kreyren: interesting to hear, whats the mechanism of the leak and what information can be gleaned from it?
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1032 [15:22:41] <kreyren> kline, It seemingly exposes the end-user using Debian that requires timesync at X amount of time to server X
1033 [15:22:54] <JDBugy> Why is my system with Kernel mitigations=off over 50% CPU faster?
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1035 [15:23:19] <kreyren> JDBugy, measured how
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1038 [15:23:36] <kline> kreyren: that there is a user who wants the time isnt exactly a big loss of data, though?
1039 [15:24:00] <kreyren> kline, it is for me assuming that this is the only thing that bleeds through clearnet on my system atm O.o
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1046 [15:28:15] <JDBugy> kreyren: Kernel compilation, iperf and many other things.
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1048 [15:28:45] <kreyren> JDBugy, i don't see how you can get +50% performance above the advertised
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1051 [15:28:57] <kreyren> assuming that the science conflicts here
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1056 [15:30:48] <JDBugy> kreyren: yes but the differences are huge. And you can feel it!!!
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1061 [15:31:17] <A4L> hello! Why, after installing telnetd with `apt install telnetd`, I still do not get telnetd available from bash? I mean I get I tried `find / | grep telnetd` and found no telnetd binary. Is the apt package telnetd by any chance just a service or can I use it directly from the commandline?
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1063 [15:31:31] <A4L> * I mean I get a telnetd command not found error.
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1077 [15:41:49] <floogy> Hi, I transferred an old virtuozzo vserver to a local virtualbox instance and upgraded the jessie system i386 to buster amd64 with
1078 [15:41:49] <floogy> lighttpd/1.4.53. I got issues with php-fpm. I receive 500 and 503 http server errors.
1079 [15:41:49] <floogy> ERROR: Another FPM instance seems to already listen on /run/php/php7.3-fpm.sock
1080 [15:41:49] <floogy> ERROR: FPM initialization failed
1081 [15:41:50] <floogy> I uncommented out the fastcgi server config in lighttpd.conf # "socket" => "/var/run/lighttpd/php7.3-fpm.sock",
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1084 [15:42:28] <A4L> floogy permissions?
1085 [15:42:39] <A4L> and don't paste here, you'll get kicked.
1086 [15:43:06] <floogy> I was kicked. How much lines appeared?
1087 [15:43:39] <floogy> ERROR: Another FPM instance seems to already listen on /run/php/php7.3-fpm.sock
1088 [15:43:39] <floogy> ERROR: FPM initialization failed
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1090 [15:44:06] <floogy> I uncommented out the fastcgi server config in lighttpd.conf # "socket" => "/var/run/lighttpd/php7.3-fpm.sock",
1091 [15:44:07] <floogy> /etc/php/7.3/fpm/pool.d/replaced-url
1092 [15:44:16] <floogy> replaced-url
1093 [15:44:16] <floogy> config replaced-url
1094 [15:44:39] <floogy> All permissions seem to have replaced-url
1095 [15:44:56] <floogy> top shows lighttpd with replaced-url
1096 [15:45:56] <floogy> It's due to misconfiguration I guess, because something changed in lughttpd and/or php-fpm from jessie to buster.
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1099 [15:49:48] <floogy> I really don't have a clue, which second instance are already listening on run/php/php7.3-fpm.sock
1100 [15:50:41] <floogy> There are only threaded instances of php-fpm itself inherited from the fpm master
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1105 [15:57:06] <floogy> tail /var/log/lighttpd/error.log
1106 [15:57:06] <floogy> 2020-06-11 15:56:01: (gw_backend.c.476) unlink /var/run/lighttpd/php.socket-0 after connect failed: Connection refused
1107 [15:57:06] <floogy> 2020-06-11 15:56:01: (gw_backend.c.328) child exited: 70 unix:/var/run/lighttpd/php.socket-0
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1109 [15:57:45] <floogy> ls -ld /var/run/lighttpd/*
1110 [15:57:45] <floogy> srwxr-xr-x 1 replaced-url
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1115 [15:59:25] <floogy> replaced-url
1116 [15:59:40] <floogy> I don't get it.
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1120 [16:04:21] <floogy> lighttpd/conf-enabled replaced-url
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1123 [16:07:06] <Abrax> why does BX install not work on debian
1124 [16:07:28] <greycat> !errors
1125 [16:07:28] <dpkg> If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>.
1126 [16:07:33] <Abrax> Makefile:185: recipe for target 'ctcp.o' failed
1127 [16:07:33] <Abrax> make[1]: *** [ctcp.o] Error 1
1128 [16:07:33] <Abrax> make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/zuberlan/BitchX/source'
1129 [16:07:33] <Abrax> Makefile:201: recipe for target 'BitchX' failed
1130 [16:07:33] <Abrax> make: *** [BitchX] Error 2
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1133 [16:07:41] <Abrax> that is what i was afraid of
1134 [16:07:46] <greycat> Find the *first* error.
1135 [16:08:43] <Abrax> its the target ctcp.o failed
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1140 [16:09:23] <greycat> There has to be a *reason*, though. What does "recipe failed" mean? I've been compiling shit for decades and I've never seen that. Find the *cause*.
1141 [16:10:10] <Abrax> thats all it says after stuff flies by and it just stops
1142 [16:10:12] <greycat> Hmm, it's repeated at the end. Sounds like a generic "something failed" message from make. Must be new wording.
1143 [16:10:35] <greycat> Run "make >log 2>&1" and then go through the log file and find the first error, or nobody can help you.
1144 [16:10:41] <floogy> I exchanged "socket" => "/var/run/lighttpd/php.socket", to "socket" => "/var/run/lighttpd/php7.3-fpm.sock", in /etc/lighttpd/conf-enabled/15-fastcgi-php.conf, but without any effect.
1145 [16:12:13] <Abrax> that run doesnt do anything
1146 [16:12:29] <greycat> It creates a file named "log".
1147 [16:12:37] <Abrax> ah k
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1150 [16:14:16] <Abrax> ah ok what does the 2>&1 do
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1152 [16:14:32] <Abrax> is that a formatting for the log file?
1153 [16:14:34] <greycat> Makes sure you get stderr and not just stdout.
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1155 [16:15:24] <Abrax> ctcp.c:179:14: error: static declaration of ‘ctcp_type’ follows non-static declaration
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1157 [16:15:44] <greycat> Much better!
1158 [16:16:04] <Abrax> not sure what that means
1159 [16:16:07] <greycat> Now you get to discuss this with the bitchx developers, or learn enough C to fix the error yourself.
1160 [16:16:20] <Abrax> so bitchx is just broke then
1161 [16:16:39] <greycat> It's possible that you may need to comment out something, or replace a definition with an #include, or who knows what. Or better still, stop trying to use bitchx.
1162 [16:16:51] <Abrax> hah
1163 [16:17:01] <Abrax> maybe it doesnt work with debian very well
1164 [16:17:10] <greycat> Maybe it doesn't work in the 21st century.
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1166 [16:17:18] <Abrax> could be
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1168 [16:17:42] <Abrax> you cant even apt-get install it
1169 [16:17:45] <Abrax> the package doesnt even exist
1170 [16:18:01] <flayer> your package doesn't even exist
1171 [16:18:04] <greycat> It did, many years ago. It was deleted so long ago that it's not even on the tracker. (I just checked.)
1172 [16:18:06] <beardy> "ctcp_type" sounds very bitchx and IRC-related, nothing to do with which distro you are compiling it on. Use irssi instead too.
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1176 [16:18:50] <randy408> if a new, comaptible release of a debian package is available and it depends on an unpackaged library and is bundled, what's the timeline for that library to be packaged?
1177 [16:18:50] <Abrax> k i will take a look at irssi
1178 [16:19:38] <Abrax> hah geeze
1179 [16:19:44] <Abrax> BX really is out of life then on debian
1180 [16:19:49] <Abrax> that is pretty crazy
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1182 [16:20:27] <greycat> !bitchx
1183 [16:20:27] <dpkg> rumour has it, bitchx is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. It was abandoned by its upstream, has known security issues, and was removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #451373. Ask me about <irssi>, <hexchat>, <konversation>, <weechat> for alternatives. To ignore BitchX quit messages in irssi, ask me about <literal bitchxignore>.
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1185 [16:21:03] <Abrax> hm ok
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1191 [16:23:03] <beardy> ircii is also still packaged if you want that ancient experience.
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1193 [16:23:06] <Abrax> ya irssi ran flawlessly
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1201 [16:25:52] <beardy> I have a colleague who I suspect uses BitchX, he uses a public awaylog with BX-MsgLog messages all the time.. sigh.
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1203 [16:26:31] <beardy> But so few of us are still using IRC at work, so I let it pass.
1204 [16:26:55] <beardy> msg dpkg literal bitchxignore
1205 [16:27:03] <beardy> Bah..
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1207 [16:29:06] * beardy might need to trim his ignorelist which has looked mostly the same for >10 years.. 48 entries
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1213 [16:30:28] <annadane> !literal bitchxignore
1214 [16:30:29] <dpkg> "bitchxignore" is "/ignore -regexp -pattern (BitchX|BX) * QUITS"
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1219 [16:31:14] <greycat> ahhhh. yeah, ok, that's failing because of a conflict between bot syntax and -regexp syntax.
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1222 [16:31:46] <greycat> I think dpkg needs a <literal> or something that you can put at the start of a factoid to suppress the bot randomizing stuff.
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1229 [16:33:41] <beardy> greycat: There is <reply> ?
1230 [16:33:53] <greycat> that doesn't turn off (a|b) stuff afaik
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1232 [16:34:05] <greycat> it just turns off the "rumor has it" prefixes
1233 [16:34:27] <beardy> It does, only cmd: does (eval|uation) afaik?
1234 [16:34:35] <greycat> !bitchxignore
1235 [16:34:35] <dpkg> [bitchxignore] /ignore -regexp -pattern BitchX * QUITS
1236 [16:34:40] <beardy> Or, no.. nvm.. no.
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1239 [16:34:59] <greycat> We've had this problem with other factoids before. Anything that wants (foo|bar) in it.
1240 [16:35:06] * beardy nods
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1242 [16:36:14] <beardy> Speaking about ancient IRC-applications..
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1256 [16:48:53] <dreamer> hmm, probably useless complaint, but I often have that my X-session gets really slow. I have an nvidia card with the proprietary driver. one thing I notice is that if I run `nvidia-smi` it'll be very slow to produce output, and some of the sensor readings just say `ERR!`
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1258 [16:49:04] <dreamer> I guess it's a "nvidia sucks, live with it" kind of deal
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1262 [16:49:36] <dreamer> only way to resolve it is hard-reset the machine, because just restarting the X session just hangs everything
1263 [16:50:01] <dreamer> (even with a plain 'reboot' it hangs in the shutdown procedure)
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1266 [16:52:03] <metbsd> how do i list all packages in a repo
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1268 [16:52:30] <greycat> it'll be in /var/lib/apt/lists/ after you do "apt-get update" or equivalent
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1271 [16:54:41] <metbsd> including those haven't been installed yet
1272 [16:54:56] <greycat> correct
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1279 [16:58:48] <brutser> for my linux distros i always use ext4 filesytem, now i bought a synology nas and i wonder what to use as synology recommends btrfs, i know i need one volume with btrfs for virtual machine as it won't function with ext4, but for example to backup my files from my various linux machines, should i use ext4 or btrfs and trust its working?
1280 [16:59:05] <greycat> I have zero trust in btrfs, personally.
1281 [16:59:24] <greycat> I think most of the people who *would* have chosen btrfs have gone zfs instead.
1282 [16:59:41] <brutser> ok
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1284 [16:59:49] <brutser> well i can use ext4 where possible
1285 [16:59:59] <brutser> and put the vms on a separate volume with btrfs
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1312 [17:20:40] <metbsd> what is btrfs
1313 [17:20:45] <greycat> !btrfs
1314 [17:20:45] <dpkg> Btrfs (B-tree file system) is a copy on write filesystem for Linux, aimed at implementing advanced features while focusing on fault tolerance, repair and easy administration. Merged in mainline at Linux 2.6.29, utilities are packaged in btrfs-tools. replaced-url
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1358 [17:46:24] <floogy> A4L, ERROR: Another FPM instance seems to already listen on /run/php/php7.3-fpm.sock
1359 [17:46:48] <floogy> The culprit was to configure unix socks over port 9000
1360 [17:47:23] <floogy> ERROR: Another FPM instance seems to already listen on /run/php/php7.3-fpm.sock
1361 [17:47:24] <floogy> Solved: The culprit was to configure unix socks over port 9000
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1363 [17:48:04] <floogy> sorry for the noise.
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1367 [17:51:17] <annadane> !win floogy
1368 [17:51:17] <dpkg> Congratulations, floogy! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
1369 [17:51:22] <rpifan> seems im missing support for some german symbols
1370 [17:51:25] <rpifan> how do i install those
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1372 [17:51:57] <petn-randall> rpifan: Do you mean the German keyboard layout? Or what symbols are you talking about?
1373 [17:52:19] <rpifan> well i opened something in irc and it was missing the scharfes S in the title bar it only displayed a question mark
1374 [17:52:22] <rpifan> on hexchat
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1379 [17:55:23] <floogy> annadane, I noticed. It happended unintentionally due to a right mouse click, though.
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1384 [17:58:49] <annadane> i didn't mean it to poke fun :( just wanted to congratulate floogy on identifying the issue
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1408 [18:08:40] <n4dir> hi. in some how-to's i was told for audio stuff like ardour i'd need a low-latency kernel. A search told me debian has the rt kerne for that. Two question: is it correct what the how to's told me and is this the mentioned rt kernel: linux-image-4.19.0-0.bpo.6-rt-686-pae - Linux 4.19 for modern PCs, PREEMPT_RT (signed)
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1415 [18:14:01] <jmcnaught> n4dir: are you sure you don't want a 64-bit kernel? I would also install a kernel meta-package so it keeps getting upgraded too.
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1418 [18:14:59] <jmcnaught> n4dir: linux-image-rt-amd64 is probably the package you want, unless you do have a 32-bit CPU.
1419 [18:15:04] <n4dir> yes i am sure. But what about the rt thing. Is that what is called low latency?
1420 [18:15:32] <n4dir> or rather: the according thing in debian?
1421 [18:16:02] <sney> rt stands for realtime. it is the one usually recommended for audio editing etc
1422 [18:16:10] <n4dir> sney: thanks.
1423 [18:16:12] <jmcnaught> n4dir: linux-image-rt-686-pae then for 32-bit.
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1425 [18:17:12] <jelly> jmcnaught, amd64 kernels require adding amd64 as foreign arch, there are no such kernel packages available on 32bit install by default
1426 [18:17:26] <n4dir> oh. once i am at it: all my hardware is pretty bad. Is audio stuff like ardour ressource intensitive? slow is ok, but is it possible, does it make any sense with lousy hardware?
1427 [18:17:52] <jelly> n4dir, low latency is always a complex requirement
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1429 [18:18:21] <jelly> it really depends on how many moving bits your audio stack is going to have
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1431 [18:18:44] <jelly> n4dir, what kind of CPU do you have
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1433 [18:18:53] <jelly> (model)
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1435 [18:19:00] <n4dir> jelly: not sure if i understand you correct, you saying it is not something like install the rt-kernel and be done with it, but having to do quite a bit other stuff? (second for the actual cpu)
1436 [18:19:09] <jelly> yes.
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1438 [18:19:53] <jelly> might need tuning the apps and audio routing services (jackd?)
1439 [18:20:19] <n4dir> model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU P6100 @ 2.00GHz
1440 [18:20:44] <sney> also, you don't need to go nuts if you're just tracking one thing at a time. it doesn't sound like you're going to be using this in a recording studio or anything
1441 [18:20:53] <n4dir> enough info regarding the cpu? and yes, the how-to's all speak of jack. To me all this is very new.
1442 [18:21:04] <jelly> that sounds 64bit
1443 [18:21:14] <n4dir> sney: main thing is trying to just get the head in it. easy stuff.
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1445 [18:21:24] <n4dir> jelly: it is. but i usually install 32
1446 [18:22:15] <jelly> software builds for i386 use less capable CPU instructions
1447 [18:22:49] <jelly> it might be worth trying 64bit as well and see which one uses less CPU time
1448 [18:23:08] <n4dir> i try it now and then, but i never really consider it to be more snappy, au contraire.
1449 [18:23:15] <jelly> amd64 usually uses a bit more RAM, how much exactly depends on the app
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1451 [18:23:43] <n4dir> i see.
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1454 [18:25:04] <jelly> but your CPU has 3MiB cache, that is decent enough so I guess 64bit should not suffer too much
1455 [18:26:16] <n4dir> i sure can't say it. Might well be that it just feels less snappy but is just prejudicy
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1459 [18:30:39] <jelly> it might be. Then you can do what I do, mix and match only some 64bit apps into a mostly 32bit installation
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1461 [18:31:18] <n4dir> ah, i remember people speaking of it in the past. haven't been at the pc for quite a while.
1462 [18:31:41] <jelly> to do that you need to add amd64 multiarch and install and boot the 64bit kernel that someone suggested above
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1464 [18:31:48] <jelly> !multiarch
1465 [18:31:48] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
1466 [18:31:49] <dijong_> replaced-url
1467 [18:31:58] * jelly blinks
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1469 [18:32:01] <jelly> !multiarch
1470 [18:32:01] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
1471 [18:32:02] <dijong_> replaced-url
1472 [18:32:04] <n4dir> ah, multiarch. thanks.
1473 [18:32:32] <jelly> dijong_, disable that, please, then ask in #debian-ops to be unquieted
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1476 [18:33:13] <n4dir> thanks all. i think for now i am ready to investigate a bit further.
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1478 [18:34:19] <jelly> of course you would need to dpkg --add-architecture amd64
1479 [18:34:28] <jelly> and install linux-image-rt-amd64:amd64
1480 [18:35:01] <n4dir> got you
1481 [18:35:10] <jmcnaught> (and run 'apt update' between those two steps)
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1484 [18:36:30] <jelly> and after booting into that, experiment with :amd64 or normal audio related packages
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1487 [18:38:05] <n4dir> i installed jessie as it was the only way for me to get the application "linthesia". Was multiarch already a thing for jessie?
1488 [18:38:26] <n4dir> might just as well try it on this installation, of course.
1489 [18:38:51] <greycat> if the add-architecture step works for you, then you have your answer. if it does not, then you also have your answer.
1490 [18:38:54] <jelly> yes it was
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1492 [18:39:07] <jelly> ,v linthesia
1493 [18:39:08] <judd> Package: linthesia on amd64 -- jessie: 0.4.3-1
1494 [18:39:10] <n4dir> greycat: lol. yes, sure.
1495 [18:39:14] <jelly> ouch
1496 [18:39:26] <jelly> judd, bug rm linthesia
1497 [18:39:30] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1499 [18:40:32] <greycat> tracker led me to replaced-url
1500 [18:40:33] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1501 [18:40:47] <jelly> greycat, it is the apt-get update step that is the actual confirmation, --add-architecture does not really do much at all except for adding into a dpkg config file
1502 [18:41:20] <jelly> you can dpkg --add-architecture surelyimjoking
1503 [18:41:41] <jelly> it will not fail
1504 [18:41:50] <n4dir> iirc linthesia is there for sid, but only the arm(*) architecture.
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1506 [18:43:24] * jelly may or may not have added arm64 at some point
1507 [18:43:49] <n4dir> replaced-url
1508 [18:43:58] <phogg> jelly: only if dpkg understand the --add-architecture switch
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1557 [19:30:07] <qaz101> How to find the differences between debian non free and ubuntu?
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1559 [19:30:31] <qaz101> life which packages are present and what changed are made my cononical
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1561 [19:30:54] <qaz101> life which packages are present and what changed are made by Canonical
1562 [19:31:03] <qaz101> like which packages are present and what changed are made by Canonical
1563 [19:31:08] <greycat> if all you want to know are what packages are installed, use dpkg -l, or dpkg --get-selections
1564 [19:31:25] <sney> broadly, you could probably compare the contents of the respective apt mirrors
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1566 [19:32:01] <sney> tracker.debian.org also links the ubuntu source for individual packages
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1568 [19:32:31] <qaz101> sney please explain, how to do it?
1569 [19:32:38] <dD_> I changed an SSD from one port to another port, and now my operating system is booting but it doesn't appear that everything is in there. And I'm kind of confused because now that I'm booting it appears that my system is booting but my external drive is set as root and the drive I booted from is not even available. What could be happening?
1570 [19:33:08] <sney> qaz101: get the mirror url from sources.list and open it in a browser, then figure out which file has the information you need and do some text processing
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1573 [19:34:54] <qaz101> like, find packages that are present in ubuntu 20.04 but absent in debian bullseye.
1574 [19:35:14] <greycat> Feel like this is a troll.
1575 [19:35:30] <qaz101> i no
1576 [19:36:14] <qaz101> i want to learn , how Canonical
1577 [19:36:25] <sney> nobody has that answer prepared for you. the information is on the mirrors but you will need to figure out how to get it yourself.
1578 [19:36:36] <greycat> Then ask the freaking #ubuntu channel. How do you expect us to know "how Canonical".
1579 [19:36:40] <sney> it's not a common question.
1580 [19:37:39] <qaz101> all the changes made my Canonical
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1582 [19:38:34] <greycat> We do not know or care what Canonical changed. Ask #ubuntu.
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1590 [19:40:25] <qaz101> a bug is fixed by cononical in ubuntu in kernel, but it is still present in debian testing. How to report/fix it?
1591 [19:40:34] <EdePopede> they have so many docs, so there should be some on "how we take debian packages and what we do to them"
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1595 [19:41:19] <quadrathoch2> qaz101: waiting till the new version hits from sid
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1599 [19:42:52] <qaz101> quadrathoch2 it was fixed in kernel 4.13
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1603 [19:46:06] <greycat> If this is a real question, then the answers are (1) file a bug report, (2) ask #debian-next on the OFTC network about testing/unstable issues.
1604 [19:46:20] <kreyren> greycat, heyo ^-^
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1606 [19:46:35] <qaz101> it is still present in debian 10 too
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1608 [19:47:06] * kreyren wanted to show greycat his config (replaced-url
1609 [19:47:21] <ratrace> !bts
1610 [19:47:21] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, replaced-url
1611 [19:47:23] <ratrace> qaz101: ^^
1612 [19:47:28] <n4dir>
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1614 [19:47:42] <sney> qaz101: you can see debian kernel changelogs and commits here replaced-url
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1616 [19:48:40] <qaz101> it was fixed in v4.13 ML , isnt debian synced with that?
1617 [19:49:18] <NetTerminalGene> i want someone break my debian
1618 [19:49:22] <greycat> replaced-url
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1623 [19:49:44] <sney> qaz101: why are you still asking questions in the channel when we have given you links to find out the answer yourself? this is not a "we will look up the answers for you" service. go read websites.
1624 [19:50:13] * greycat wonders what the hell "4.13 ML" means, but it's not a stable kernel series, so it's not a thing Debian would be using....
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1626 [19:50:32] <qaz101> i am new, i dont know how to use those links
1627 [19:50:47] <greycat> Then you should not be using testing or unstable.
1628 [19:50:57] <sney> just open them in a browser and click stuff and try shit
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1630 [19:51:12] <sney> you'll never get anywhere if you need strangers on irc to hold your hand for every step
1631 [19:51:20] <sney> the website will not hurt you
1632 [19:51:24] <qaz101> replaced-url
1633 [19:51:50] <qaz101> isnt mainline , the main kernel by linus ?
1634 [19:52:13] <greycat> now we're supposed to know what the term "mainline" means to Ubuntu?
1635 [19:52:37] <qaz101> kernel by linus
1636 [19:52:43] <greycat> if you say so.
1637 [19:52:46] <qaz101> without any destro specific changes
1638 [19:52:57] <Abrax> why is ubuntu mainline?
1639 [19:52:59] <greycat> oh, that must be what "ML" stands for
1640 [19:52:59] <EdePopede> you could get it and the one from kernel.org and compare
1641 [19:53:02] <Abrax> there have been many before ubuntu
1642 [19:53:10] <ratrace> > doesn't know how to open links > logs into IRC tho yeah, seems legit.
1643 [19:54:15] <qaz101> ratrace How to use those links.
1644 [19:54:43] <greycat> I'm calling it. Troll. *plonk*
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1647 [19:56:08] <EdePopede> qaz101, you were told already. just read what others on irc channels write in response to you.
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1655 [20:02:42] <n4dir> dD_: is there an operating system like a backup on the external drive? does it boot even with the external unplugged? such info might be usefull. My first uneducated guess would be to reinstall grub (or the bootloader you are using).
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1658 [20:04:20] <n4dir> might also be /etc/fstab must be edited. but, again, just guessing from me, i don't fully understand the problem.
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1664 [20:14:03] <qaz101> how to find /drivers/pci/pci.c in replaced-url
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1667 [20:14:54] <qaz101> tried
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1683 [20:21:49] <qaz101> replaced-url
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1691 [20:24:07] <dD_> n4dir: that's exactly what happened. I had an OS on the HDD drive that I installed yeaars ago and I completely forgot. But now I'm seeing that my SSD isn't being seen by the motherboard, before it was connected through an LSI SAS controller. I then connected it to sata 3 to the motherboard and now it cannot see it.
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1699 [20:28:04] <L0aD1nG> hello i am trying to install debian 10 on a dell laptop and i am hanging on the step "Detect network hardware", it says "No ethernet card was detected", laptop has no port for ethernet cable... It has only wireless.
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1702 [20:28:29] <L0aD1nG> How should i troubleshot it??
1703 [20:28:46] <quadrathoch2> L0aD1nG: are you using the non-free iso?
1704 [20:28:55] <greycat> !firmware images
1705 [20:28:55] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
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1709 [20:29:47] <L0aD1nG> so i should try with that iso?
1710 [20:29:55] <qaz101> where is source code of debian kernel ?
1711 [20:30:08] <sney> L0aD1nG: yes, most wifi drivers need non-free firmware to work
1712 [20:30:51] <L0aD1nG> okay i will try that
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1715 [20:31:29] <L0aD1nG> and another question is, the laptop has only UEFI option not legacy will grub do the job?
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1717 [20:31:48] <quadrathoch2> L0aD1nG: yes
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1721 [20:34:35] <L0aD1nG> the iso of the link dpkg says netinst, does this differ from the normal installation?
1722 [20:34:48] <greycat> !netinst
1723 [20:34:48] <dpkg> it has been said that netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See replaced-url
1724 [20:34:57] <greycat> For most of us, netinst *is* the normal installer.
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1726 [20:35:42] <qaz101> a bug is fixed in kernel by linus but present in debian kernel. How can i fix it? i know what changes i have to do in source code. Where is debian kernel source code?
1727 [20:35:54] <L0aD1nG> greycat: i am asking this cause i am doing it first time
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1729 [20:36:42] <L0aD1nG> i mean the netinst
1730 [20:36:43] <greycat> The images with non-free firmware have filenames like firmware-10.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso
1731 [20:37:05] <L0aD1nG> greycat: i am downloading exactly that one
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1733 [20:37:26] <greycat> The ones without firmware are named like debian-10.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso
1734 [20:37:36] <L0aD1nG> but i have no cd available, will dd do the job to write it on a usb?
1735 [20:37:41] <greycat> yes
1736 [20:38:04] <L0aD1nG> okay thank you very much
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1739 [20:40:37] <L0aD1nG> oh will i be able to install gnome or xfce for example with netinst like the normal iso?
1740 [20:40:50] <quadrathoch2> yes L0aD1nG :)
1741 [20:41:11] <quadrathoch2> netinstall is just downloading the right packages (you need)
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1744 [20:41:58] <L0aD1nG> ohh thats the difference?
1745 [20:42:05] <L0aD1nG> okay thanks a lot
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1748 [20:43:42] <solo__> netinstall is better option when u have internet connection
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1754 [20:45:16] <shibboleth> how come gnuradio3.8.1 is compiled against libboost1,67?
1755 [20:45:46] <qaz101> is debian kernel cource code present in .tar.xz file ?
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1758 [20:46:46] <qaz101> is it possible to browse debian kernel source code like main kernel source code ? on any repo?
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1760 [20:47:41] <mezzo> L0aD1nG: replaced-url
1761 [20:47:53] <mezzo> at some point you'll have the choice
1762 [20:48:17] <mezzo> add '*' with space
1763 [20:48:24] <shibboleth> qaz101, replaced-url
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1765 [20:49:01] <shibboleth> unfortunately they use gitlab so the site is just about useless without javascript
1766 [20:49:45] <L0aD1nG> mezzo: okay i know that i just started the installation
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1768 [20:50:08] <mezzo> enjoy netinst then :)
1769 [20:50:13] <L0aD1nG> :P
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1772 [20:50:35] <qaz101> shibboleth in linus kernel , /driver/pci/pci.c , How to find that file in replaced-url
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1776 [20:50:55] <shibboleth> replaced-url
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1778 [20:51:15] <shibboleth> i dunno. i can't use the site since gitlab insists on javascript
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1789 [20:53:51] <qaz101> the dir structure is very different from main kernel
1790 [20:53:56] <qaz101> replaced-url
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1792 [20:56:03] <qaz101> shibboleth are you able to see the picture ?
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1799 [20:59:02] <L0aD1nG> guys on the manual partiotioner it has partion 680MB that says EFI system partion, any idea if i should delete this? The laptop had widnows before..
1800 [20:59:23] <greycat> Leave it alone.
1801 [20:59:32] <L0aD1nG> s/partion/partition
1802 [20:59:35] <L0aD1nG> okay
1803 [20:59:40] <mezzo> Oh yeah
1804 [20:59:50] <quadrathoch2> L0aD1nG: not really as linux also uses that partition to boot from
1805 [20:59:55] <mezzo> other you'll spend your evening trying to boot :)
1806 [21:00:24] <L0aD1nG> all other partions was ntfs and i deleted them
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1808 [21:00:35] <L0aD1nG> this is saying ESP though
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1812 [21:03:52] <dD_> In case anyone was wondering, sata was not enabled in my BIOS, just had to enable it.
1813 [21:04:21] <argusbr> how to make this script run in crontab? how to replaced-url
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1820 [21:07:16] <L0aD1nG> laptop's ram is 4giga is it enough to run gnome smoothly what do you think??
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1823 [21:08:06] <qaz101> it needs vram
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1826 [21:09:35] <qaz101> L0aD1nG processor, gfx card?
1827 [21:10:21] <L0aD1nG> qaz101: i dont know man i am installing debian right now i cant see.. its my father's laptop
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1829 [21:10:35] <shibboleth> L0aD1nG, 4g is more than enough for the desktop environment and base system
1830 [21:10:38] <L0aD1nG> i should check this before the installation but forgot it
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1832 [21:10:49] <qaz101> you can find using modal number
1833 [21:11:11] <shibboleth> L0aD1nG, this in no way means that 63209381092389128 open tabs in the-spyware-also-known-as-chrome is a good idea
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1836 [21:11:19] <L0aD1nG> its a new laptop he bought it like 1 year ago but cost was 400euros
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1840 [21:11:54] <L0aD1nG> shibboleth: he will use firefox :D
1841 [21:11:56] <L0aD1nG> i got it
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1844 [21:12:19] <L0aD1nG> he opens one tab though
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1846 [21:12:41] <L0aD1nG> but he will use firefox anyway why to pick chrome
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1850 [21:13:19] <L0aD1nG> i wont install chrome i never did to anyone who installed debian for him
1851 [21:13:54] <ska> I have a friend having issues with graphics and freezing on his asrock b450 gaming-itx/ac mobo installing Deb10. Anyone know anyting about that or a fix?
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1854 [21:15:11] <ska> He claims if freezes during even non-graphical installer.
1855 [21:15:29] <quadrathoch2> ska: is he on the latest firmware (as in bios) I had issues when my board was new (b450 aorus pro)
1856 [21:15:44] <shibboleth> if you could post some logs that would make the difference between us helping you and you asking us to guess
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1859 [21:16:06] <shibboleth> 42!
1860 [21:16:09] <shibboleth> did i win?
1861 [21:16:24] <annadane> !win shibboleth
1862 [21:16:24] <dpkg> Congratulations, shibboleth! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
1863 [21:16:34] <ska> quadrathoch2: I think so, but Ill re-check. About logs: he says he's not able to get any at this point.
1864 [21:16:38] <annadane> (also i have to ask: is your screen name because of the xkcd comic?)
1865 [21:16:48] <shibboleth> noooo
1866 [21:16:53] <shibboleth> also: no
1867 [21:18:28] <L0aD1nG> guys on the select and install software it hasnt have the "laptop" choice, is this out on debian 10?
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1871 [21:19:05] <ratrace> I think "laptop tools" group of packages are long gone in desktop linux
1872 [21:19:44] <L0aD1nG> also if i just pick "Debian desktop enviroment" will install Gnome as default?
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1875 [21:21:05] <annadane> yes
1876 [21:21:19] <annadane> (so avoid it :P)
1877 [21:21:30] <L0aD1nG> i mean to install gnome i need to pick both "Debian desktop enviroment" and "... Gnome"??
1878 [21:21:38] <annadane> no, either one works
1879 [21:21:45] <annadane> desktop environment is just there if you select nothing
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1881 [21:22:08] <L0aD1nG> annadane: its for my fathers laptop he will do fine with gnome
1882 [21:22:16] <mezzo> too bad openbox is not in the choices... (for me)
1883 [21:22:26] <L0aD1nG> mezzo: i3 either
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1886 [21:23:02] <sney> neither one of those is a desktop environment.
1887 [21:23:03] <mezzo> I do it manually after removing all the *
1888 [21:23:16] <L0aD1nG> right its window managers
1889 [21:23:35] <sney> besides, if debian put every single choice in the installer menu, it would be pretty unusable. if you want a minimal wm setup it is assumed that you know how to install it yourself
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1892 [21:23:51] <mezzo> indeed
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1894 [21:24:34] <L0aD1nG> you just select "standar system utilities" and the install what you want manually.
1895 [21:24:43] <L0aD1nG> i do like that in my own computers
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1897 [21:26:06] <greycat> Many of us do that.
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1899 [21:27:18] <annadane> xfce's in the installer but i also don't need libreoffice or ristretto or... whatever else comes with the xfce tasksel so i do it that way as well
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1902 [21:29:11] <annadane> (but it's great if you're just starting out and don't know how to do that; one offputting thing about freebsd is always-console-by-default)
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1906 [21:30:54] <greycat> I feel like... if you can't type "startx", you are not going to be happy with FreeBSD to begin with. So it's fine.
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1908 [21:31:35] <annadane> yep
1909 [21:32:14] <annadane> and also it's probably not the panacea that the fanboys say it is but that's another conversation
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1911 [21:33:24] <greycat> No installer is going to make everyone happy. The developers choose what kind of installation experience they want to create. If a given user isn't happy with that, there are MANY other operating systems out there.
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1914 [21:33:47] <neilthereildeil> how do i install mongodb on debian?
1915 [21:33:51] <neilthereildeil> i dont see a package for it in apt
1916 [21:34:21] <greycat> I get a LOT of hits on apt-cache search mongodb
1917 [21:34:28] <annadane> ,v mongodb
1918 [21:34:29] <judd> Package: mongodb on amd64 -- jessie: 1:2.4.10-5+deb8u1; stretch: 1:3.2.11-2+deb9u1
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1920 [21:34:34] <annadane> there's a bug report on this somewhere
1921 [21:34:49] <neilthereildeil> apt-get install mongodb
1922 [21:34:54] <neilthereildeil> that gave an error
1923 [21:34:59] <annadane> replaced-url
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1925 [21:35:00] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1926 [21:35:21] <annadane> i don't know how else one gets it
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1928 [21:36:33] <greycat> dpkg, mongodb is <reply>mongodb was removed after stretch; see replaced-url
1929 [21:36:34] <dpkg> greycat: okay
1930 [21:36:50] <annadane> probably from upstream
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1933 [21:39:00] <joshh> greycat: do you use apt-cache vs apt out of old habit or technical reasons? i recently switched after noticing the offical debian docs now say apt is the most preferred
1934 [21:39:17] <greycat> dpkg, mongodb =~ s#for details#and replaced-url
1935 [21:39:17] <dpkg> OK, greycat
1936 [21:39:18] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1937 [21:39:29] <greycat> joshh: use whichever one you like more
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1951 [21:48:37] <qaz101> how to join #debian-next ? it ask for invite
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1955 [21:49:07] <sney> !invite only
1956 [21:49:07] <dpkg> Many debian channels are on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you try to join one and you see "Cannot join (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
1957 [21:49:09] <neilthereildeil> what about mysql?
1958 [21:49:16] <annadane> qaz101, oftc
1959 [21:49:17] <annadane> not freenode
1960 [21:49:26] <greycat> !mariadb
1961 [21:49:26] <dpkg> MariaDB is a community-developed fork of <MySQL>, intended as backward compatible drop-in replacement. Packages are available for Debian 8 "Jessie" and later releases. replaced-url
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1963 [21:49:38] <neilthereildeil> "apt-get install mysql-server"
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1965 [21:49:39] <greycat> that's... incomplete.
1966 [21:49:43] <neilthereildeil> that gives an error also
1967 [21:49:51] <annadane> because it's replaced by mariadb
1968 [21:49:53] <neilthereildeil> i followed this: replaced-url
1969 [21:49:58] <qaz101> thanks
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1971 [21:49:59] <neilthereildeil> ok
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1973 [21:50:22] <neilthereildeil> so ur saying mariadb is the debian package for mysql?
1974 [21:50:38] <sney> practically speaking
1975 [21:50:45] <sney> ,i mariadb-server
1976 [21:50:46] <judd> Package mariadb-server (database, optional) in buster/amd64: MariaDB database server (metapackage depending on the latest version). Version: 1:10.3.22-0+deb10u1; Size: 30.1k; Installed: 66k; Homepage: replaced-url
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1978 [21:51:06] <greycat> so, replaced-url
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1980 [21:51:24] <greycat> They didn't even spell Oracle correctly.
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1982 [21:52:10] <annadane> the wiki's quality is... variable
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1990 [21:56:53] <greycat> well, I edited one of the pages
1991 [21:57:37] <karlpinc> neilthereildeil: If you're starting out with relational databases and don't have legacy implementations I'd strongly recommend considering postgresql.
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1994 [22:00:26] <greycat> It's kind of a broad topic. The choice of a database engine depends greatly on what you plan to do with it.
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1996 [22:01:31] <greycat> If you're really just *starting*, sqlite(3) might be a great intro.
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2000 [22:04:02] <ratrace> +1 on postgresql :: sqlite is not really easier to work with because it has no daemon, it must be created and used from within some code
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2002 [22:04:49] <ratrace> (and its command line interface suxx compared to postgresql's)
2003 [22:05:19] <sney> and if you're installing a database because you're trying to deploy a CMS that recommends mysql, 'apt install mariadb-server' and proceed to the next step in the CMS's docs
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2006 [22:06:05] <greycat> that's a valid point, but remember that this user *started* by asking how to install mongodb
2007 [22:06:17] <greycat> they don't appear to be following a script
2008 [22:06:29] <sney> ah, I missed that part.
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2018 [22:11:49] <L0aD1nG> the installation completed but even that i removed all the windows files grub still detects windows boot loader
2019 [22:11:53] <L0aD1nG> how is that?
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2021 [22:12:28] <greycat> Because the boot loader is not part of the Windows data partitions. It's part of the EFI partition, and maybe other places.
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2026 [22:14:37] <L0aD1nG> i will remove the option from the grub.cfg
2027 [22:15:31] <sney> update-grub will add the entry back next time you have a kernel upgrade if you do that. but you can comment out/disable the relevant stuff in /etc/grub.d
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2030 [22:16:51] <greycat> you could remove os-prober, or you could remove whatever lingering pieces of Windows os-prober is finding
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2039 [22:22:43] <L0aD1nG> okay my father's laptop is ready and steady :D
2040 [22:22:50] <L0aD1nG> guys thanks a lot for all the help
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2050 [22:29:21] <neilthereildeil> hello. how do i install the mariadb connector from pip under debian?
2051 [22:29:28] <neilthereildeil> for pythong development
2052 [22:29:32] <neilthereildeil> python*
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2057 [22:33:17] <BCMM> neilthereildeil: which connector? aren't there a bunch of those?
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2059 [22:34:10] <neilthereildeil> wait, ipip install mysqlclient worked to connect ot mariadb
2060 [22:34:21] <BCMM> if it's with pip, it will work just the same as on any distro
2061 [22:34:32] <BCMM> neilthereildeil: but you could install that with apt instead
2062 [22:34:50] <BCMM> mysqlclient is in Debian as mysqlclient
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2064 [22:35:01] <BCMM> sorry, in debian as python-mysqldb
2065 [22:35:28] <BCMM> (or, more likely perhaps, python3-mysqldb)
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2092 [22:54:18] <gimmel> Hi all, I'm looking for someone with a good head for LUKS/LVM and general boot repair. I've moved the data from my old HDD to a new SSD. Old LVM vg was hostname--vg; New LVM vg is vgssd. /boot in both cases is a separate primary partition (old=sdb1 and new=sda1). I'm trying to figure out what needs updating for the new vg. I've updated fstab and grub.cfg. I think I then need to chroot into the new drive to
2093 [22:54:24] <gimmel> run update-initramfs. Is there anywhere else I need to update either for the new vg or new /boot?
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2106 [23:03:02] <no_gravity> I wonder if this is a good coinflig oneliner: if (( RANDOM % 2 == 0 )); then echo Yes; else echo No; fi
2107 [23:03:10] <no_gravity> When I put it in a loop and ouput a million decisions, it looks good.
2108 [23:03:17] <no_gravity> But in my daily use, it has produced 130 No and 90 Yes.
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2124 [23:09:47] <blurkis> no_gravity: did you assume that with only 220 times, you would get 110/110? Surely many times it will be odd outcome. Unless you run it milions of times,
2125 [23:10:28] <no_gravity> I have the feeling 130/90 is pretty unlikely.
2126 [23:10:56] <r3> replaced-url
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2128 [23:11:41] <ratrace> also: replaced-url
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2136 [23:16:07] <r3> no_gravity: see this comment on this page [ replaced-url
2137 [23:16:18] <r3> "By moduloing your random input, you are "pigeon-holing" the results. "
2138 [23:16:39] <r3> but may not hold true for simply 0 and 1
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2140 [23:17:41] <r3> no_gravity: maybe try 'shuf' instead?
2141 [23:18:25] <no_gravity> r3: But how to judge the approaches? In a loop, the %2 approach is fair.
2142 [23:18:34] <r3> (with shuf, remember to add -r)
2143 [23:18:51] <r3> well, I'm not sure - I would use /dev/urandom
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2155 [23:30:32] <no_gravity> The wald test might be the right one: replaced-url
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