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• 68[00:23:40] <blurkis> v3nus: the gnome software app?
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• 77[00:26:56] <v3nus> blurkis: I use MATE, gnome software wouldn't be that integrated... but it was only for curiosity, I just wanted to avoid installing build-essential since it's an indirect dependency of gdebi
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• 90[00:34:03] <Ooze> Proc is supposed to be 'full' right? I have no space in /proc
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• 103[00:43:06] <ratrace> Ooze: well, procfs isn't even supposed to show "diskspace", where do you see it as "full"?
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• 127[01:03:37] <Ooze> ratrace: Not full -- just 0. Troubleshooting and wanted to be sure
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• 135[01:11:54] <Randolf> I just found out that VirtualBox is no longer available on Debian. What should I use to virtual Windows 7 on Debian? Xen doesn't do VGA passthrough, so I can't use it, although I'd like to. Thanks.
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• 138[01:12:30] <Unit193> See also: replaced-url
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• 140[01:13:45] <Randolf> Oh. Unstable? Hmm.
• 141[01:14:14] <Randolf> Is virt-manager a reasonable alternative that will run a Windows 7 VM in fullscreen mode?
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• 144[01:16:43] <annadane> probably
• 145[01:17:11] <annadane> although it depends on your definition of reasonable, it does have a lot of dependencies
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• 147[01:18:32] <Randolf> I'm not concerned about installing dependencies as apt seems to take care of all of that quite well.
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• 149[01:25:32] <annadane> up to you, some people have space concerns and/or want a cleaner system
• 150[01:25:58] <Randolf> Well, virt-manager seems to be working very well. It also has a GUI that's a lot like VirtualBox, and it will run Windows 7 in full screen mode for me. So far so good. :)
• 151[01:26:27] <Randolf> I'm virtualizing Windows -- if disk space was a big concern, I wouldn't be running Windows at all.
• 152[01:26:42] <annadane> yeah, it's quite good for 'plug and play' without having to deal with too many configuration options
• 153[01:27:18] <Randolf> For end-user stuff, it looks great.
• 154[01:28:08] <Randolf> I've got a user on new hardware who needs to run Windows 7 (because of old apps that won't run elsewhere or even under WINE), so I've installed Debian with the intention of running Windows 7 virtualized.
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• 158[01:30:17] <Randolf> Windows always installs so much faster under virtualization. Debian is particularly good at handling it too.
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• 169[01:39:54] <Randolf> Hmm, when I disconnect from SPICE, the screen doesn't come back on the host.
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• 184[01:53:12] <Randolf> Darn it, installing Windows 7 updates crashed the whole system.
• 185[01:53:48] <annadane> sounds about right
• 186[01:54:11] <dvs> ...and the problem is...? ;-)
• 187[01:54:29] <Randolf> The problem is that Debian shouldn't be crashing just because a VM crashes.
• 188[01:54:51] <sney> windows update is very i/o heavy so it probably maxed out the disk or something along those lines
• 189[01:54:51] <annadane> oh. yeah, *that* is an issue
• 190[01:56:10] <sney> if you're using the virtio disk and net drivers, try switching back to ide and e1000. if you aren't using virtio, use it. (I've seen windows vms go both ways.)
• 191[01:56:35] <Randolf> sney: Yes, but that should all be contained within a VM. Under Xen or VirtualBox this never happens.
• 192[01:57:28] <sney> I've definitely seen win7 guests misbehave on xen so watch out with that "never" lol
• 193[01:58:08] <Randolf> On Xen 3.x on NetBSD there were such problems, but on current Xen those problems seem to be resolved.
• 194[01:58:25] <Randolf> Let's see... Network is e1000e already.
• 195[01:58:34] <oiaohm> Running as a VM under KVM/qemu really should not take out the complete system unless you hit a bug but if you have set priorities the complete system can stall out due to load.
• 196[01:58:42] <oiaohm> Please note stall out is not crash.
• 197[01:58:46] <Randolf> Disk bus is SATA -- a qcow2 file.
• 198[01:58:50] <oiaohm> Looks like crash.
• 199[01:59:04] <oiaohm> Ie system coming completely non responsive due to too much load.
• 200[01:59:20] <oiaohm> But given enough time recover.
• 201[01:59:26] <Randolf> oiaohm: No, Debian dumped a bunch of errors on a text mode screen and froze up. I know these are definitely not Windows errors.
• 202[02:00:01] <Randolf> Windows Updates were only downloading -- we're currently at 80% of 170 updates.
• 203[02:00:29] <oiaohm> Really need to see those errors. stall out can be tripping a stack of watchdogs before screen froze up in in stall out.
• 204[02:00:52] <oiaohm> That normally that you have given the VM way too much priority.
• 205[02:00:58] <oiaohm> over the host.
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• 207[02:01:11] <Randolf> The VM has 4 CPUs. The host has 8 total.
• 208[02:01:26] <Randolf> The VM has 8 GBs of RAM. The host has 16 total.
• 209[02:01:54] <oiaohm> What was your IO priority for access to discs.
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• 211[02:02:07] <oiaohm> Its the common one people miss.
• 212[02:02:12] <Randolf> It's all set to "Hypervisor default."
• 213[02:02:22] <Randolf> I guess I missed it.
• 214[02:03:34] <Randolf> I'm not seeing a place to set defaults for the hypervisor.
• 215[02:03:46] <Randolf> I can override on the VM.
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• 217[02:04:23] <Randolf> Wow, these updates are installing fast. They never go this quickly on baremetal.
• 218[02:05:03] <Randolf> (I'll be back in 20 minutes.)
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• 233[02:18:27] <oiaohm> Randolf: when you say hypervisor defaults I guess you are using KVM. Remember redhat one usage the KVM itself end up with no disc IO for it self. So it well and truly possible to configure KVM to have total host OS disc IO stavation.
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• 238[02:22:16] <trysten> Hello friends. I'm trying to setup debian on a small laptop: HP 2133
• 239[02:23:05] <sney> trysten: looks like debian i386 should support that, do you have a specific question?
• 240[02:23:16] <trysten> It uses Via chipset and the xserver-xorg-video-openchrome package mentions the chipset specifically. i've installed the package but it's not loading the driver when I reboot. I'm not sure where to go from here. /etc/Xsession.d/ is a bit to convulted but I didn't find anything about loading video drivers
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• 242[02:23:49] <trysten> what i mean is, the package description matches the line in lspci, which is strong evidence to me that it contains the proper driver
• 243[02:24:54] <sney> linux video drivers are 2 components, a kernel module and a x11 driver. if the kernel module doesn't load then the x11 driver won't either. and there are various other things that can get in the way.
• 244[02:25:36] <sney> you *can* force xorg to load a specific driver but that's unlikely to be the problem as modern x11 is very good at detecting the right driver automatically.
• 245[02:25:41] <sney> please pastebin your Xorg.0.log.
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• 248[02:29:21] <trysten> Sorry, I was reading it instead of pasting it. one moment
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• 251[02:31:08] <trysten> replaced-url
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• 253[02:32:45] <sney> yeah, so x11 is clearly loading the chrome driver there, so it's a different problem.
• 254[02:33:33] <sney> cheapie: you familiar with this model?
• 255[02:33:51] <SerajewelKS> what kernel version is in buster-backports? the package has two conflicting version numbers: 5.5.0 and 5.5.17
• 256[02:33:59] <SerajewelKS> i'm not sure which to believe
• 257[02:34:23] <SerajewelKS> uname -a says: Linux liz 5.5.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.5.17-1~bpo10+1 (2020-04-23) x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 258[02:34:37] <trysten> The driver is quite talkative. My test was loading a youtube video in firefox, which didn't change after I installed the driver package.
• 259[02:34:46] <trysten> Maybe I need a better test
• 260[02:34:59] <sney> SerajewelKS: 5.5.0-2 is the debian package version and 5.5.17 is the upstream kernel version.
• 261[02:37:22] <SerajewelKS> okay. hmm.
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• 263[02:37:35] <SerajewelKS> just having really weird USB issues since upgrading to it. might have to go back to the buster kernel.
• 264[02:37:52] <sney> trysten: if you do 'lsmod |grep drm' do you get anything?
• 265[02:38:02] <cheapie> trysten: Lots of laptops of that sort are pretty weak, which CPU is in yours?
• 266[02:38:58] <cheapie> If it's a C7 like this suggests here... yeah, YT isn't going to work well, no matter what.
• 267[02:39:02] <SerajewelKS> if i open a crypt container in "plain" mode with a random key against a USB HDD partition, then dd /dev/zero over it (64K block size) the USB HDD eventually stops responding to all commands and the "usb-storage" process shows 100% CPU in top.
• 268[02:39:11] <SerajewelKS> this does not happen if i dd /dev/urandom over the partition
• 269[02:39:19] <SerajewelKS> and i'm at a total loss to explain why this might happen
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• 272[02:40:20] <sney> SerajewelKS: that does sound like it could be a driver bug, particularly if the behavior isn't the same in 4.19. if you feel like hunting down what change produces the issue, these are the instructions for doing that within debian: replaced-url
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• 274[02:40:53] <SerajewelKS> i want 5.5 for more stable btrfs but this might be a deal breaker because the plan is to put crypt on the partition
• 275[02:41:03] <SerajewelKS> but i've no idea why adding the crypt layer causes the drive to hang
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• 277[02:42:01] <SerajewelKS> why would the drive even notice that layer
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• 279[02:42:30] <SerajewelKS> i checked and the crypt layer is aligned
• 280[02:42:31] <sney> the drive controller wouldn't but there may be something different in how the kernel is talking to it
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• 283[02:43:51] <SerajewelKS> hrm. just really weird.
• 284[02:44:16] <SerajewelKS> unfortunately i can't bisect on this machine but maybe i can try one of my spare laptops and if i can repro on there, i could bisect
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• 286[02:44:35] <SerajewelKS> if the USB controller is a factor then that might not work
• 287[02:47:04] <trysten> Thanks a lot for the help. I came at a really good time. Now i'm going to go try to figure out what codecs it handles so I can use it to play movies
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• 293[02:57:45] <cheapie> trysten: Usually MPEG-2 is the best bet for stuff that low-powered - it seems to be quite commonly (but not always) hardware-accelerated, and doesn't take much power to do in software either.
• 294[02:59:47] <cheapie> Granted, it's not bitrate-efficient in the slightest, but that doesn't matter that much unless you're streaming it.
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• 321[03:36:18] <cpach> hi folks. i'm considering strategies for handling web server access logs. (my web server is nginx.) does anyone have experience with utilizing systemd's journal for collecting web server access logs?
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• 324[03:36:58] <cpach> my goal is to persist the log data to file in some way, and then feed it to a log analyzer such as GoAccess or similar.
• 325[03:37:27] <cpach> i could also use logrotate(8) but it seems cleaner to use the service manager instead, i.e. systemd.
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• 383[05:05:48] <hussar> how do i install a .psfu font?
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• 397[05:24:19] <SerajewelKS> sney: there is definitely something very wrong with the 5.5 kernel in backports
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• 399[05:25:05] <SerajewelKS> sney: running exactly the same set of commands on the 4.9 stable kernel (set up plain crypt layer over device, write zeroes to it) i'm getting nearly 85MB/sec. on 5.5 i was barely getting 20MB/sec.
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• 402[05:25:47] <SerajewelKS> no device hanging so far either
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• 404[05:27:07] <SerajewelKS> shame since i'm sure 5.5 has better btrfs support
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• 458[06:52:12] <Randolf> oiaohm: That's probably what happened -- disk I/O starvation.
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• 476[07:46:10] <Randolf> How can I get my .desktop files to show up on the desktop? I created a .desktop file in ~/Desktop/ but it's not appearing. Thanks.
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• 481[07:50:47] <efloid> it's funny i have a hard drive in a machine which started out with over 600 "offline uncorrectable sectors". over time the count went down to under 150. now, many months later the count is down to 80.
• 482[07:51:16] <jmcnaught> Randolf: put it in ~/.local/share/applications
• 483[07:51:22] <efloid> i wonder if something happened because the drive was maybe jarred while running?
• 484[07:54:26] <Randolf> jmcnaught: Okay, and now I can add it to "Favourites" and it shows. Thanks.
• 485[07:55:52] <Randolf> jmcnaught: Now, when I click on it, nothing happens. I even have "Terminal=true" in there, but nothing shows up.
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• 487[07:56:12] <Randolf> Do I need to set permissions or something?
• 488[07:56:30] <jmcnaught> Randolf: I'm not a .desktop expert but if you can put it on replaced-url
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• 493[08:02:38] <jmcnaught> Randolf: I don't see anything obviously wrong with it. If you run "journalctl --user --follow" in a terminal and then launch it, what are the messages?
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• 499[08:05:00] <Randolf> That's a new command to me. I had to use sudo, and I get "No journal files were found." Nothing shows up when I click on that icon.
• 500[08:05:10] <Randolf> Ditto for other icons too.
• 501[08:05:17] <Randolf> ...that do work.
• 502[08:06:18] <Randolf> The "Exec" command, by the way, works just fine from the terminal.
• 503[08:06:33] <jmcnaught> Randolf: maybe copy one that works from /usr/share/applications to ~/.local/share/applications and add Terminal=true to it, see if it works there.
• 504[08:08:03] <jmcnaught> Randolf: you could also try putting the command in quotes, though someone here the other night had trouble with using quotes in Icon=. Also are you sure that you need sudo to run virt-viewer?
• 505[08:08:04] <Randolf> There are no other .desktop files anywhere to be found.
• 506[08:08:20] <Randolf> Yes. It can't find the display without sudo.
• 507[08:08:36] <Randolf> It reports a "no protocol" error.
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• 509[08:10:06] <jmcnaught> Randolf: no other .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/ ? What window manager or desktop environment are you using? Are no other GUI applications installed?
• 510[08:10:26] <Randolf> GNOME.
• 511[08:10:43] <Randolf> I didn't check /usr/share/applications/
• 512[08:11:28] <Randolf> Okay, I copied one of the game ones. It just loads up in the text editor when clicked on from the Desktop.
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• 515[08:13:53] <jmcnaught> Randolf: another approach to what seems to be the ultimate goal here is what I use, virt-manager, which can run without being root and can connect to VM graphical consoles very easily. Worth considering at least.
• 516[08:14:15] <jmcnaught> Randolf: did you try adding Terminal=true to the .desktop file you copied, and putting it in ~/.local/share/applications?
• 517[08:14:54] <Randolf> I tried that, and it doesn't work. It won't start the VM automatically, so I want to create an icon for the user to just double-click.
• 518[08:15:44] <Randolf> With Terminal=true no terminal shows up. I'll try renaming it just in case there's caching...
• 519[08:16:01] <Randolf> Okay, there is a terminal now. It's blank.
• 520[08:16:40] <Randolf> But that's only for the game.
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• 525[08:19:57] <jmcnaught> Okay so Terminal=true in your .desktop probably isn't the issue. It's probably that the Exec= key cannot handle two commands &&'ed together, or at least cannot without escaping.
• 526[08:20:15] <jmcnaught> Randolf: replaced-url
• 527[08:21:08] <jmcnaught> Randolf: however I would advise against running virt-viewer as root, it was not designed to be run as root. There is probably a different way that you have not found yet, but the virt-viewer man page is a good place to start.
• 528[08:23:21] <jmcnaught> Randolf: to auto start libvirt VM, as a user in the libvirt group run: virsh -c qemu:///system autostart vmname
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• 530[08:23:47] <Randolf> Okay, it works when I move the command to a script. Stupid .desktop can't understand what ~ means, so I have to put the full path in.
• 531[08:24:03] <Randolf> The VM autostarts, that's not the problem.
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• 533[08:24:27] <Randolf> When I'm trying to achieve is to have the user automatically get to the Windows 7 VM in fullscreen mode upon login.
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• 536[08:27:38] <Randolf> Okay, it's working now. Even the Startup Applications can't handle normal commands -- referencing the script with those commands does the job.
• 537[08:27:38] <jmcnaught> Randolf: like I said I use virt-manager, but according to the virt-viewer man page you can tell it to connect directly to a libvirt domain (aka virtual machine). Something like "virt-viewer --connect qemu:///system vmname" should work. You might also be interested in --kiosk.
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• 539[08:27:57] <jmcnaught> Randolf: is your user in the libvirt group? That could be why it didn't work without root.
• 540[08:28:14] <Randolf> Yes, I saw that. I don't need --kiosk at this site, but it will be useful at some others in the future.
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• 543[08:31:05] <annadane> Randolf, unrelated but you may also be interested to know virt-manager comes with its own shell, virsh
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• 545[08:31:28] <annadane> jmcnaught, virt-manager asks me to provide a password; should i not give it to it and just add myself to the libvirt group instead?
• 546[08:32:02] <jmcnaught> annadane: yes. If you're in the libvirt group it won't ask for a password, or at least it doesn't for me.
• 547[08:32:17] <annadane> but my question is *should* i do that if "virt-viewer is not meant to be run as root"
• 548[08:32:48] <annadane> i launch it normally - unprivileged - but it then asks for root pw
• 549[08:34:08] <jmcnaught> I would rather be in the libvirt group than have to type root's password every time I run virt-manager. I don't see any downside to it.
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• 552[08:34:51] <annadane> i just wondered if it posed an inherent security risk but surely it wouldn't do that if it did
• 553[08:35:21] <jmcnaught> However when virt-manager prompts for a password it's doing it through PolicyKit, so the whole program isn't escalated to root.
• 554[08:35:26] <annadane> (if you have a long root pw then yeah it's certainly more convenient to just add yourself to the group)
• 555[08:35:27] <annadane> ah, all right
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• 559[08:35:49] <annadane> right, makes perfect sense
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• 563[08:39:57] <jmcnaught> annadane: even libvirt members are handled by PolicyKit, see the rule at /usr/share/polkit-1/rules.d/60-libvirt.rules
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• 596[09:30:58] <Randolf> Thanks jmcnaught. I used that command a few times to get things sorted out earlier on.
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• 608[09:45:09] * grummund has a problem with sound which *was* working but recently went awry...
• 609[09:45:25] <grummund> after startup i now must manually go into alsamixer and unmute S/PDIF
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• 611[09:45:51] <grummund> also the keyboard volume controls (working before) now control master volume but actual sound output is unaffected
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• 613[09:46:17] <grummund> this is with xfce destop on debian 10.
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• 645[10:21:16] <Randolf> Which viewer does the virt-manager actually use? The virt-viewer one, even in kiosk mode, doesn't work the same and has a different interface.
• 646[10:21:58] <Randolf> Also, virt-viewer doesn't capture the Windows key or Alt-F2, and others.
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• 649[10:24:57] <grummund> Randolf: spice-client-gtk is what i have installed
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• 651[10:27:29] <Randolf> That's not installed on my system.
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• 653[10:28:57] <grummund> Randolf: try it, maybe?
• 654[10:29:11] <Randolf> Yeah, I'm going to. Just rebooting because the system froze.
• 655[10:29:25] <Randolf> I think this virt-manager isn't quite production ready.
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• 657[10:29:51] <grummund> this is my KVM install list: libosinfo-bin libvirt-daemon-system libvirt-clients qemu-kvm qemu-utils spice-client-gtk virt-manager virt-viewer virtinst
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• 660[10:31:00] <Randolf> I think the only thing I'm missing is spice-client-gtk.
• 661[10:32:14] <Randolf> So, I installed it with apt, but how do I use it? I don't seem to have a man page for spice-client-gtk.
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• 671[10:40:40] <Bushmaster> Hi folks, seeking some suggestion/feedback : My Filesystem (root) is left with less than 2GiB of space, not sure whether I need to expand my hard drive to create room for the root or delete some files that are not needed ....
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• 673[10:42:03] <Randolf> Bushmaster: Whatever you decide to do, get backups first.
• 674[10:42:14] <grummund> Randolf: i just double-click on the VM in Virtual Machine Manager
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• 676[10:43:13] <Randolf> grummund: Yeah, that works, but I need to make it simple for the user so I'm trying to set this up to automatically take them to using the VM immediately upon login.
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• 678[10:43:25] <Randolf> The manager is an admin tool, not an end-user tool.
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• 684[10:44:42] <Bushmaster> Randolf, not sure, its root that is running out space
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• 688[10:46:18] <Randolf> Bushmaster: You probably need to expand your partition.
• 689[10:46:26] <grummund> Bushmaster: are there partitions with plenty of free space? put up "df -h" at paste.debian.net
• 690[10:46:52] <Randolf> Bushmaster: How long has it been low on space?
• 691[10:46:54] <grummund> Randolf: you need the command that VMM is calling spice-client with.
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• 693[10:47:15] <Randolf> grummund: Yes, that would be fantastic. I can't find anything in online documentation though.
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• 697[10:49:19] <Bushmaster> Randolf, grummund replaced-url
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• 699[10:51:59] <Randolf> Bushmaster: I've run systems with much less free space than that, and didn't have a problem. If you're worried about log files growing, they normally get cycled through automatically to prevent that from happening.
• 700[10:52:52] <grummund> Bushmaster: potentially you could reduce the size of /dev/sdb8 (/home) and then expand /dev/sdb7 (/).
• 701[10:52:54] <Bushmaster> Randolf, good suggestion, yes because I have running Debian server, log files may be taking up space
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• 703[10:54:50] <Bushmaster> grummund, expansion via gparted?
• 704[10:57:42] <grummund> Bushmaster: not by itself. the file systems also would need re-sizing, and all in the correct order.
• 705[10:58:33] <cpach> if i run "apt-get update && apt-get -y upgrade" is there any way for me to check if package "foo" was upgraded by that operation?
• 706[10:58:33] <Bushmaster> grummund, so basically i am in a shit situation
• 707[10:58:42] <grummund> Bushmaster: it's probably easier to re-install, or live with what you have until it's a problem.
• 708[10:58:57] <Bushmaster> oh no cant reinstall
• 709[10:59:01] <Bushmaster> too many work
• 710[10:59:12] <Bushmaster> reinstall is not option for me
• 711[10:59:32] <cpach> Bushmaster: what kind of computer/server is it? virtual or physical?
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• 713[11:00:23] <grummund> Bushmaster: there's also a tone of space free on /dev/sdb9, do you need all taht?
• 714[11:00:44] <Bushmaster> cpach, Apache web server for media
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• 716[11:01:03] <Bushmaster> cpach, grummund i need to send you a image, hold on cheifs
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• 721[11:02:36] <cpach> Bushmaster: ok but is it a server mounted in a physical rack or a vm guest running under kvm/vmware/etc?
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• 723[11:02:59] <shtrb> I'm having the strangest issue with rdesktop in libvirt , I'm running rdesktop via ssh -X into a VM. then my keyboard is being hijacked by something (rdesktop? libvirt ? ) and on the host only sysrq and moving to tty work until I kill rdesktop, even in rdesktop my key press have no effect. both of host and guest are buster amd64. I have no problem like that running rdesktop from the host machine. does anyone have a clue ?
• 724[11:03:03] <aiRness> hello, is there any ETA when libgcc-9-dev will be ready for debian sid ?
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• 728[11:03:45] <Bushmaster> cpach, no, well its complicated to explain,
• 729[11:03:56] <Bushmaster> grummund, hold on chief
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• 732[11:05:30] <cpach> i mean it's either a physical machine or a vm guest. *if* it is a vm guest then the hypervisor might be able to help you to expand your space.
• 733[11:05:51] <Bushmaster> grummund, cpach replaced-url
• 734[11:05:56] <cpach> if it's a physical machine, it might support inserting a new SSD/HDD without rebooting.
• 735[11:06:02] <cpach> all depending on the circumstances.
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• 743[11:07:42] <Bushmaster> grummund, sdb7 is my Debian root
• 744[11:07:44] <grummund> Bushmaster: do NOT reduce any partition sizes until until the filesystem is first resized.
• 745[11:07:55] <cpach> another option could be to move large files over to an external drive; then do some resizing; then transfer back the large files from the external drive to your main drive.
• 746[11:08:07] <Bushmaster> and sdb9 is one of the partition I use as book server but yes, I can shrink it grummund
• 747[11:08:30] <Bushmaster> cpach, your knowledge is very advance for me,
• 748[11:08:57] <Bushmaster> grummund, how i am gonna resize the filesystem
• 749[11:09:06] <grummund> Bushmaster: there are many guides showing how to rezise a file-system and partition (both are needed in correct order).
• 750[11:09:12] <cpach> Bushmaster: i haven't done any resizing in a long while though, so i'm afraid i can't guide you there
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• 752[11:09:30] <Bushmaster> cpach, i understand
• 753[11:09:38] <cpach> Bushmaster: may i ask what window manager/desktop environment you are using? it looks nice :)
• 754[11:09:44] <Bushmaster> grummund, so it is messy work
• 755[11:09:59] <cpach> Bushmaster: yup, it's gonna be messy :-p
• 756[11:10:02] <Bushmaster> cpach, i think its Cinnamon in my Debian
• 757[11:10:07] <cpach> Bushmaster: nice!
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• 759[11:10:31] <Bushmaster> Debian is probably the best OS and I been using it for 10 years with no issue what so ever
• 760[11:10:37] <grummund> Bushmaster: it requires understanding and patience! ;)
• 761[11:10:59] <grummund> Bushmaster: but the process is straight forward.
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• 763[11:11:55] <Bushmaster> grummund, so if I shrink sdb9 and expand sdb7 by dragging it from left, it wont work that way, instead it will mess the root file system basically I will be screwed right?
• 764[11:12:28] <grummund> Bushmaster: don't do that. yes it will lose you the filesystem(s).
• 765[11:12:34] <cpach> and as Randolf said, backups are strongly recommended
• 766[11:13:13] <Bushmaster> i worry cos I am running out space, how about going to etc, apachec and logs and then delete all the log files? will it create some space
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• 768[11:13:31] <Bushmaster> cpach, i do not know how to do advance work my friends
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• 770[11:14:14] <cpach> if you run "du -sh /var/log/apache2/" that should give you an idea of how much space apache's logs are using
• 771[11:14:28] <Bushmaster> grummund, cpach because I am running multiple servers utilzing Apache, it may be the reason, filessystem space is taking up fast
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• 773[11:14:39] <cpach> could be
• 774[11:14:41] <Bushmaster> cpach, let me check
• 775[11:15:18] <Bushmaster> cpach, root@bushcat:/# du -sh /var/log/apache2/
• 776[11:15:18] <Bushmaster> 144K /var/log/apache2/
• 777[11:15:18] <Bushmaster> root@bushcat:/#
• 778[11:15:30] <Bushmaster> thats nothing
• 779[11:16:08] <Bushmaster> is there a way to find out which elements of fiesystem is actually taking up most of the space, or even list them in space size order?
• 780[11:16:19] <grummund> Bushmaster: install ncdu and use it to find the culprit.
• 781[11:16:20] <ksk> Bushmaster: ncdu -x /
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• 783[11:16:51] <Bushmaster> grummund, what is that North Carolina and Dakota University?
• 784[11:17:05] <Bushmaster> ksk and grummund hold on
• 785[11:17:47] <Bushmaster> grummund, ksk it says root@bushcat:/# ncdu -x /
• 786[11:17:47] <Bushmaster> bash: ncdu: command not found
• 787[11:17:47] <Bushmaster> root@bushcat:/#
• 788[11:18:05] <ksk> "sudo apt install ncdu"
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• 790[11:18:13] <Bushmaster> ksk hold on chief
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• 793[11:19:20] <Bushmaster> ksk grummund done, i ran that last command and its scanning, god knows what it is doing
• 794[11:19:50] <Bushmaster> you folks know lot of advance stuffs dont you
• 795[11:21:51] <ksk> Bushmaster: the ncdu command now accounts for all the files in /, their size, and prints them to you after its done.
• 796[11:21:54] <grummund> Bushmaster: try to understand instead of blindly following instructions. learn to do 'man ncdu' and 'apt show ncdu' for example.
• 797[11:22:04] <ksk> ++
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• 799[11:22:23] <Bushmaster> grummund, ksk replaced-url
• 800[11:22:46] <Bushmaster> ksk or grummund how am i get out from the screen to command prompt?
• 801[11:22:53] <ksk> press q.
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• 803[11:23:25] <grummund> no, hit return on /var and track down to find the culprit(s).
• 804[11:23:36] <grummund> same with /usr
• 805[11:24:12] <Bushmaster> hold on grummund i need to put cold water in my face, i am bit overwhelemd
• 806[11:25:22] <Bushmaster> grummund, and ksk replaced-url
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• 809[11:26:05] <Bushmaster> grummund, and ksk replaced-url
• 810[11:26:20] <Bushmaster> these two screen shots are from ver and usr as suggested
• 811[11:26:29] <grummund> Bushmaster: are you capable of finding where the space is used for yourself?
• 812[11:26:42] <grummund> Bushmaster: because if not we should stop here.
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• 814[11:27:39] <Bushmaster> i can carry on exploring directory from that NDSU yes by pressing enter grummund
• 815[11:28:07] <grummund> look under /var/cache and see what is worst case.
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• 818[11:29:41] <grummund> also 10GB is a bit much.
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• 820[11:29:54] <grummund> i mean, 10GB for /usr is a bit much.
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• 822[11:30:38] <Bushmaster> grummund, for example replaced-url
• 823[11:31:27] <Bushmaster> also same for SkypeForLinux, no i can delete all of it, as long as it does not ruin the Skype software
• 824[11:31:54] <ksk> Bushmaster: do _not_ delete random files as root
• 825[11:31:57] <Bushmaster> same with Mailspring, i do not even use that program
• 826[11:32:09] <ksk> it will totally break your system.
• 827[11:32:42] <ksk> use the package manager if you want to remove packages - do not partly remove stuff from a package (like its documentation)
• 828[11:32:45] <grummund> Bushmaster: generally you would not delete files under /usr, instead uninstall the packages they belong to.
• 829[11:32:48] <Bushmaster> ksk, okay, so even though i am 100% sure that SkypeForLinux and Mailspring are files that i do not use, it can still screw up the system
• 830[11:33:19] <ksk> if you do not use skypeforlinux, uninstall it.
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• 833[11:33:49] <Bushmaster> grummund, so lets think throgh it
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• 835[11:33:53] <ksk> Of course deleting a single file from /usr/share does not screw up your system. not understandind what you are doing does.
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• 837[11:35:12] <grummund> Bushmaster: these are just small fry. look for instances where GB is used in a single case.
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• 839[11:35:45] <grummund> but yes, if you do not use skypeforlinux, uninstall it.
• 840[11:36:29] <Bushmaster> grummund, and ksk replaced-url
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• 842[11:37:10] <Bushmaster> grummund, ksk I need skype and i use it yes, but i do not use mailspring but not sure how to uninstall it
• 843[11:38:09] <grummund> 'sudo apt remove mailspring' or just google how to remove a package!
• 844[11:39:17] <Bushmaster> okay thanks grummund
• 845[11:39:35] <grummund> Bushmaster: and look under /usr/share/doc also look see worst cases under /var
• 846[11:39:38] <ksk> !debian handbook
• 847[11:39:38] <dpkg> The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at replaced-url
• 848[11:39:46] <Bushmaster> much appreciated the help i think i got the idea in terms of may be getting rid of some of the software to make space
• 849[11:39:46] <ksk> Bushmaster: maybe take a look at that. ^
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• 851[11:40:23] <Bushmaster> grummund, i did look, there are over 3000 directory under doc, no idea which one to delete, but its dangerous
• 852[11:40:57] <grummund> Bushmaster: do not delete any. but you may uninstall packages if not in use.
• 853[11:41:23] <Bushmaster> let me try uninstall that mailspring i do not use it
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• 855[11:43:26] <grummund> Bushmaster: explore and find worst cases under /usr/share/doc and /var/cache and /var/lib.
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• 857[11:44:12] <Bushmaster> grummund, replaced-url
• 858[11:44:45] <Bushmaster> what do you mean by worst cases grummund
• 859[11:44:57] <grummund> 'sudo apt clean' ( i think)
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• 861[11:46:13] <Bushmaster> hold on grummund
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• 863[11:47:56] <Bushmaster> grummund, looks like i have just made 400 MB of space woo hoo replaced-url
• 864[11:48:20] <ksk> try apt autoremove also
• 865[11:48:44] <grummund> Bushmaster: what else doe sit say...
• 866[11:48:51] <grummund> "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:"
• 867[11:48:55] <Bushmaster> apt clean return prompt the back grummund
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• 869[11:49:28] <Bushmaster> ksk hold on
• 870[11:49:40] <grummund> Bushmaster: did you just type that command without checking what it does?
• 871[11:49:54] <ksk> ksk: it is btw not needed to tell me to hold one, I just assume you do read what I write :)
• 872[11:50:16] <ksk> again, ++ for what grummund says..
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• 876[11:51:01] <Bushmaster> grummund, ksk replaced-url
• 877[11:51:18] <Bushmaster> i do use Python hence it has lot of python i can see in that list
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• 879[11:51:38] <grummund> Bushmaster: if in doubt say No.
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• 881[11:51:45] <Bushmaster> grummund, yes i implemented your command
• 882[11:52:14] <grummund> ... and without first checking what it does?
• 883[11:53:08] <Bushmaster> so No for the auto remomve ksk
• 884[11:53:22] <Bushmaster> you asked me to utilize the command and i did grummund
• 885[11:53:55] <Bushmaster> grummund, now i have 7GiB free space in Root, woo hoo
• 886[11:54:36] <Bushmaster> ksk shall I say Yes or No to that auto remomeve, as long as it does not break my Python, i am good to say yes
• 887[11:54:41] <grummund> and obviously no idea why.
• 888[11:55:00] <Bushmaster> grummund, well, i just need space in root, i told you i am not in advance level
• 889[11:55:25] <Bushmaster> hence I am relying on your suggestions
• 890[11:55:36] <ksk> Bushmaster: man apt
• 891[11:55:45] <Bushmaster> shall I say no then
• 892[11:55:54] <ksk> search for autoremove (hint: press / -type "autoremove" - press enter)
• 893[11:56:50] <grummund> Bushmaster: replaced-url
• 894[11:57:01] <Bushmaster> ksk, oh okay, it says they were once needed but not anymore so i can utilize autoremover
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• 898[11:59:30] <Bushmaster> ksk its doing some serious work hope everything work out grummund
• 899[12:02:53] <Bushmaster> grummund, and ksk this is the output, i hope it did not break my system especially Python 3 that I use most. replaced-url
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• 901[12:03:16] <ksk> Debian (stable) is very stable. If you undestand whaty you are doing, and you are doing it correct, the chance of someting breaking unexpectedly is close to none.
• 902[12:04:06] <grummund> Bushmaster: sorry i gave up at the point where you typed my commands without checking what they did.
• 903[12:04:17] <ksk> so that command will not break anything. It will only do something you do not desire - when you do not use it correctly.
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• 906[12:05:05] <Bushmaster> ksk good answer, and it did not break anything, you are right, i just tested Python and it is working fine and I now have 7.8GiB space free
• 907[12:05:24] <Bushmaster> grummund, i just did not know how to check my friend
• 908[12:05:49] <Bushmaster> the point is i have lots of space in root now, i just hope it works out and when i reboot the machine, it works out
• 909[12:06:05] <grummund> Bushmaster: replaced-url
• 910[12:06:11] <Bushmaster> hold on
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• 913[12:07:10] <Bushmaster> grummund, oh, you meant, your command, i need to google? I usually do not use google if I am consulting with good folks in the channel, cos I know they know a lot
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• 915[12:07:49] <grummund> you waste others time.
• 916[12:10:28] <Bushmaster> well I apologize, I want to thank you grummund and ksk for resolving my issue though, I now have 7.8 GiB free space in root system, Mission Accomplished, thanks to you folks. Once again, sorry I did not google your command grummund
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• 918[12:11:54] <klaas> anyone got an idea what could be a bottleneck for tcp (http) traffic on debian buster, a single transfer won't go above 10mb/s, it should reach 100mb/s easily
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• 921[12:12:57] <klaas> even happens when writing to /dev/null, no cpu is hitting any limits, hundreds of gb memory free
• 922[12:13:36] <ksk> klaas: how to you write (to /dev/null)?
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• 924[12:13:58] <ksk> also, "mb/s" is not really a think. What are we talking here? mbit/s or MB/s? :>
• 925[12:14:09] <ksk> not really a thing*
• 926[12:14:30] <klaas> MB/s :) curl -o /dev/null url -- wanted to make sure it's not my disks
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• 928[12:14:58] <klaas> single transfer only reaches ~100mbit on a gbit line
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• 930[12:15:45] <klaas> networks are up with proper speeds according to ethtool
• 931[12:16:12] <klaas> and network people claim it's not the router/switch :D
• 932[12:16:44] <klaas> I personally think it's outside the system, but I need to cover all my bases before complaining :D
• 933[12:19:43] <shtrb> anyone about krdc + rdesktop ?
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• 944[12:32:44] <ksk> klaas: did you root out a faulty cable?
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• 946[12:34:17] <efloid> klaas: maybe try a tool like traceroute or mtr and see if there's latency in the path somewhere
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• 950[12:40:07] <Rembo> Would it be possible to get the mail logs of all incoming mail to test@domain1.com<mailto:test@domain2.com> between 19:00 on Sunday 07/06/20 and today at 9am? i'm using postfix
• 951[12:40:33] <ksk> Rembo: sure. one-click? no.
• 952[12:40:52] <Rembo> ksm, via grep
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• 1012[13:31:05] <klaas> I ruled out a faulty cable, I ruled out a NIC, it could only be setup within debian buster (weird defaults anywhere?) or router configuration :)
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• 1015[13:31:55] <klaas> but if its a router configuration I wuold not understand how multiple transfers can add up to ~500mbit, any limit there should be a total limit I would guess
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• 1017[13:34:03] <klaas> efloid the download is from another server on the network, I have more testservers (not running debian though) on the same network that reach full gbit speeds (with that same download)
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• 1019[13:35:52] <grummund> klaas: test transfer speed between your test servers on the same network
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• 1022[13:39:26] <klaas> grummund same issue
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• 1024[13:40:23] <grummund> then it says the issue is at least inside the network.
• 1025[13:40:48] <klaas> let me phrase it a little differently, I can expect debian to be way faster than 100mbit with defaults on any current hardware, right?
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• 1027[13:44:03] <ksk> sure.
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• 1035[13:51:48] <klaas> oxek ls -al /
• 1036[13:51:50] <klaas> :)
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• 1050[14:06:15] <Bushmaster> hi, i followed this link to install Aptana and it did not work now i wanna remove it cos its taking lot of space in my root, i cant do it, can anyone help replaced-url
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• 1053[14:10:03] <efloid> klaas: try ethtool?
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• 1055[14:10:29] <efloid> will at least give some info on the config of the interface
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• 1057[14:13:50] <efloid> also check syslog to look for possible device errors
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• 1109[14:52:47] <Bushmaster> howdy, i am seeking some help, can anyone consult
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• 1111[14:53:54] <Haohmaru> !ask
• 1112[14:53:55] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 1116[14:57:09] <Bushmaster> Haohmaru, i need to install Apatana Studio 3 in Debian and I cant do it
• 1117[14:57:14] <Bushmaster> can you help me
• 1118[14:58:01] <Haohmaru> did you mean aptana?
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• 1121[14:59:49] <Bushmaster> Haohmaru, yes something like that, its a shit name
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• 1126[15:01:22] <Bushmaster> Haohmaru, i followed this link and it installed and pissed things off and i cant even remove it now, it took almost 1 GiB of space and now I cant remove it either
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• 1130[15:02:36] <Haohmaru> aww, looks nasty
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• 1132[15:02:59] <Haohmaru> i try to avoid installing stuff that doesn't come from debian/synaptic/apt
• 1133[15:03:08] <sklv1> +
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• 1136[15:03:18] <Bushmaster> it f*cked things off Haohmaru
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• 1139[15:03:29] <Haohmaru> cuz that's an easy recipe to make a mess and break the OS
• 1140[15:03:52] <Bushmaster> Haohmaru, dude, not everything is in Synaptic
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• 1145[15:04:43] <Haohmaru> Bushmaster dude, i'm saying that i probably don't have much experience with installing foreign sh*t, so i probably can't help you
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• 1149[15:05:59] <sklv1> it looks like the answer tells you to install a few packages, add a desktop icon entry and unzip some stuff to /opt
• 1150[15:06:19] <Bushmaster> Haohmaru, foreign shit, no idea what the hell you mean by that, i have been advised to install it from Murach bastard who write books
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• 1152[15:07:00] <Haohmaru> foreign == stuff that comes from random .zip or .deb files from the internetz
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• 1155[15:07:06] <sklv1> foreign = outside package manager. regardless of the advice installing stuff is your choice. I think it's likely you can remove it by deleteing the /opt folder it created and removing the webupd8team ppa repo it added
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• 1157[15:08:01] <sklv1> the folder *in* /opt to be clear
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• 1163[15:10:59] <Bushmaster> sklv1, let me see
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• 1165[15:11:55] <Bushmaster> sklv1, that /opt folder has other software in it already
• 1166[15:12:01] <sklv1> Bushmaster: to be clear, the above is based on reading the stackoverflow link you pasted. I don't have a thorough understanding of what's wrong with your system
• 1167[15:12:11] <sklv1> Bushmaster: right, but there'll be like /opt/Aptana or something
• 1168[15:12:31] <sklv1> paste the output of ls -lah /opt to a pastebin (ideally not pastebin.com)
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• 1174[15:13:41] <Haohmaru> huh, i didn't see any link
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• 1176[15:14:08] <sklv1> Haohmaru: 1306 just before your !ask message
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• 1178[15:14:41] <Haohmaru> oh, that's much earlier, i see
• 1179[15:15:01] <Bushmaster> sklv1, replaced-url
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• 1182[15:16:07] <klaas> grummund I would walk over, it's not local :D
• 1183[15:16:07] <Bushmaster> sklv1, replaced-url
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• 1185[15:16:41] <Bushmaster> tell me how i can delete all these goddamn apatana files takng up space
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• 1187[15:17:13] <sklv1> using rm -rf, as root, but don't forget to delete the ppa repo you added
• 1188[15:17:49] <sklv1> it looks like aptana unzipped into the root of the /opt directory meaning aptana things are interleaved with the other softwares installed in /opt
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• 1190[15:18:25] <sklv1> maybe see what's in the file full_uninstall.txt
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• 1194[15:21:26] <Bushmaster> you want me to type command called rm -rf? sklv1
• 1195[15:21:49] <Bushmaster> that full_uninstall.txt is shit, it gives some link, thats all
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• 1197[15:22:07] <Bushmaster> i did not add ppa
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• 1199[15:22:25] <Bushmaster> java is already installed hence i did not needed it sklu
• 1200[15:22:50] <sklv1> then just delete the files - you can tell which ones are aptana by the permissions and the timestamps
• 1201[15:22:58] <sklv1> they are owned by root so you need to be root to delete them
• 1202[15:23:30] <Bushmaster> sklv1, i get this one root@bushcat:/home/bushcat# rm -rf
• 1203[15:23:31] <Bushmaster> root@bushcat:/home/bushcat#
• 1204[15:24:05] <Bushmaster> sklv1, just take me through process to delete all the Apatana shit please
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• 1206[15:24:45] <sklv1> rm -rf will delete anything you pass as an argument
• 1207[15:24:54] <sklv1> e.g. rm -rf /some/file will delete /some/file
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• 1209[15:25:24] <Bushmaster> no idea what it means sklv1
• 1210[15:25:29] <sklv1> if you want to remove e.g. /opt/AptanaStudio3 you can do that by running # rm -rf /opt/AptanaStudio3
• 1211[15:25:38] <Bushmaster> the time is fucked up too, it says 2018
• 1212[15:25:43] <sklv1> Bushmaster: ok i have no idea how to help you then. Good luck.
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• 1215[15:25:56] <Bushmaster> hold on sklv1
• 1216[15:27:17] <Bushmaster> that command only delete that small kb apatana file
• 1217[15:28:02] <sklv1> you need to run it on all aptana files
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• 1219[15:28:27] <sklv1> *which* files those are, you will have to work out for yourself - you can make a decent guess based on dates and permissions
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• 1224[15:30:04] <Bushmaster> sklv1, well dates are all fucked up, no idea why, but yeah, i just made a guess and deleted it, fucking ubuntu caused all that issue
• 1225[15:30:09] <Bushmaster> fuck Apatana
• 1226[15:30:33] <sklv1> the date being wrong is a separate issue
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• 1228[15:30:51] <sklv1> what i do is run date, take the output, change what i want and then run date --set="<paste the fixed versoin>"
• 1229[15:31:16] <sklv1> very quick and dirty
• 1230[15:33:32] <ksk> sklv1: ntpdate comes in handy if you have internet.
• 1231[15:33:46] <Bushmaster> anywqay i followed some of your advice and guess and deletes those shit
• 1232[15:33:59] <Bushmaster> i will just use sublime for html editor
• 1233[15:34:17] <Bushmaster> fuck apatana and shit, that Murach bastard is crazy asking apatana to use
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• 1241[15:38:30] <nvz> bluefish isnt too bad
• 1242[15:38:37] <nvz> ,i bluefish
• 1243[15:38:38] <judd> Package bluefish (web, optional) in buster/amd64: advanced Gtk+ text editor for web and software development. Version: 2.2.10-1; Size: 273.4k; Installed: 781k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 1244[15:39:06] <Bushmaster> nvz is it hard to install ?
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• 1246[15:39:24] <nvz> gives you some GUI widgets to automate things like table creation and stuff, built in previews, but works just like a decent programmers editor
• 1247[15:39:34] <nvz> no, apt install bluefish
• 1248[15:39:38] <nvz> ,depends bluefish
• 1249[15:39:39] <judd> Package bluefish in buster/amd64 -- depends: bluefish-data (= 2.2.10-1), bluefish-plugins (= 2.2.10-1), gvfs-backends, libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libc6 (>= 2.14), libcairo-gobject2 (>= 1.10.0), libcairo2 (>= 1.10.0), libenchant1c2a (>= 1.6.0), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.37.3), libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.19.12), libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.22.0), libpangocairo-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libpython2.7 (>=
• 1250[15:39:40] <judd> 2.7), libxml2 (>= 2.7.4).
• 1251[15:39:55] <nvz> typical gtk, cairo, pixbuf, python stuff
• 1252[15:39:58] <Bushmaster> you confusing me with all these technical info
• 1253[15:40:18] <nvz> if you already use a desktop environment with gtk you probably have all the dependencies already
• 1254[15:40:28] <nvz> just apt install bluefish and check it out
• 1255[15:40:30] <Bushmaster> with blue fish, i can work in HTML, PHP, JavaScript, CSS, ?
• 1256[15:40:40] <nvz> yes, you can do em all
• 1257[15:40:59] <Bushmaster> hold on
• 1258[15:41:05] <nvz> it has different tabs for some helpful features in each language and I believe you can user define things too
• 1259[15:42:20] <Bushmaster> i am installing it
• 1260[15:42:28] <Bushmaster> may be heard to learn
• 1261[15:42:57] <nvz> not really if you know how to program
• 1262[15:43:17] <nvz> all it does is give you some extra stuff to automate or template things
• 1263[15:43:44] <nvz> it'll show up under Programming > Bluefish Editor in your menu
• 1264[15:45:09] * nvz wanders off to make hay while the sun shines
• 1265[15:45:30] <Bushmaster> nvz i see it, its installed
• 1266[15:45:38] <Bushmaster> i will see i can use it
• 1267[15:45:41] <Bushmaster> thanks
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• 1365[17:21:15] <grummund> Can anyone help explain the differnce in purpose of systemd alsa-state.service and alsa-restore.service ? - replaced-url
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• 1367[17:22:28] <puppy> unclear in the manual whether a local ssh configuration replace the original one completely or only the specific configuration lines when different. Anyone got an old hand with this and know for sure? I would test it but don't know how at the moment.
• 1368[17:22:31] <greycat> You can look at the commands that each one runs, and reverse engineer the purpose from those.
• 1369[17:23:00] <greycat> one of them has /usr/sbin/alsactl -E HOME=/run/alsa restore and the other has /usr/sbin/alsactl -E HOME=/run/alsa -s -n 19 -c rdaemon
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• 1371[17:23:35] <greycat> puppy: ~/.ssh/config overrides specific settings from /etc/ssh/ssh_config, not the *entire&* thing
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• 1374[17:25:09] <puppy> I personally thank you greycat
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• 1385[17:31:03] <puppy> seems like they removed IdentityFile from the default global ssh_config file. Is it being deprecated or something? Can't find anything else suggesting that
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• 1390[17:33:50] <greycat> who's "they", and what issue are you having?
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• 1392[17:35:04] <greycat> IdentityFile is documented in ssh_config(5) and has a default list of pathnames that it uses, without need to be in the global config file
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• 1397[17:37:22] <greycat> in addition, the default list is in comments in Debian's ssh_config
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• 1407[17:41:15] <puppy> can you wildcard hosts in configurations somehow? I want all subdomain in nsa.gov to use my nsa-privided private key
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• 1409[17:41:52] <greycat> Use a "Host" command with a pattern.
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• 1413[17:42:41] <greycat> ssh_config(5), look for "Host", then look for "PATTERNS"
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• 1428[17:47:26] <puppy> thanks! didn't think of looking for that
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• 1472[17:59:02] <Eryn_1983_FL> has anybody dealt with ovirt before? i keep getting this error to mount a nfs server, it works fine manually
• 1473[17:59:04] <Eryn_1983_FL> replaced-url
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• 1476[17:59:41] <sney> does it work fine manually as the service account?
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• 1478[17:59:54] <Eryn_1983_FL> mmm
• 1479[17:59:57] <Eryn_1983_FL> that i dont know
• 1480[18:00:03] <Eryn_1983_FL> like kvm user or something
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• 1482[18:00:31] <sney> yes, the systemd unit will tell you what it is. possibly _ovirt
• 1483[18:01:55] <Eryn_1983_FL> hmm
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• 1486[18:02:27] <Eryn_1983_FL> hmmm
• 1487[18:02:35] <Eryn_1983_FL> let me sudo to ovirt and get it a go
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• 1513[18:17:18] <bthomas> Does Debian/Buster support hardware acceleration for Intel UHD 620 GPU ?
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• 1519[18:23:05] <towo`> bthomas, it should, meybe you need the kernel and firmware-misc-nonfree from backports
• 1520[18:23:45] <bthomas> Could be firmware since I am using 5.5 kernel from backports
• 1521[18:23:58] <towo`> but since that gpu was introduced in 2017, i would try the buster kernel 1st
• 1522[18:24:24] <bthomas> let me try. Thanks towo`
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• 1526[18:25:19] <miskatonic> what happens if trying to run the UHD 620 without proprietary firmware?
• 1527[18:25:33] <towo`> it would not work
• 1528[18:25:46] <towo`> skylake and above needs firmware
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• 1535[18:29:27] <miskatonic> what is the latest intel gpu without proprietary firmware requirement?
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• 1543[18:33:12] <H4ndy> Broadwell came before Skylake. So HD5000/6000 series probably (no clue tho)
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• 1576[18:55:03] <Sora> my syslog is being spammed with this replaced-url
• 1577[18:55:04] <Sora> bad?
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• 1579[18:55:36] <sney> yep you have a hard drive problem
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• 1581[18:56:08] <Sora> sdm is a sd card i think
• 1582[18:56:10] <Sora> running the host os
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• 1584[18:56:41] <sney> sd cards die, this is why we make sure to have a few
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• 1596[19:04:33] <jeroenimo> Anyone run this problem too?: in stretch wget and curl both do not accept the COMODO ssl certs please run on your stretch install this "wget replaced-url
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• 1598[19:04:59] <jeroenimo> in the browser it works fin though
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• 1609[19:11:17] <CrazyTux> while updating I got this message. What does it mean? "E: Repository 'replaced-url
• 1610[19:11:18] <CrazyTux> N: This must be accepted explicitly before updates for this repository can be applied. See apt-secure(8) manpage for details."
• 1611[19:11:41] <CrazyTux> please help
• 1612[19:11:43] <jmcnaught> jeroenimo: using ca-certificates 20200601~deb9u1 from stretch-updates?
• 1613[19:12:09] <greycat> CrazyTux: it means run "apt update" once instead of your regular "apt-get update", at least if your Debian is new enough for that to work.
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• 1615[19:12:22] <ratrace> jeroenimo: purge ca-certs? do you have it installed now? because you need it, and up to date.
• 1616[19:12:39] <greycat> if wheezy's apt doesn't support it, and if you're on wheezy, then... oh well?
• 1617[19:13:13] <CrazyTux> greycat, thank. That worked.
• 1618[19:13:43] <greycat> I don't know why they don't say that in the error message.
• 1619[19:14:18] <CrazyTux> greycat, what is the difference between apt update and apt-get update?
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• 1621[19:15:08] <greycat> dpkg apt vs. apt-get
• 1622[19:15:08] <dpkg> apt is promoted over apt-get for interactive use. It uses fancy colors and has output format differences. It removes the .deb files that it downloads during an install or upgrade. It installs new packages during upgrades. apt-get has a stable command-line interface and is promoted for scripting.
• 1623[19:15:51] <CrazyTux> greycat, thanks
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• 1641[19:28:25] <Mykeje> Hello guys!!
• 1642[19:28:35] <Mykeje> I'm a newcomer
• 1643[19:29:08] <sney> !ask
• 1644[19:29:08] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 1659[19:39:23] <nvz> !noob
• 1660[19:39:23] <dpkg> Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not.
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• 1662[19:40:18] <greycat> Not that there's any shame in being new. Just ask whatever your question is.
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• 1664[19:40:39] <greycat> ... unless you already left, in which case we're talking to your ghost.
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• 1666[19:41:18] <nvz> heh.. yeah apparently they did leave.. I've thought though not hard about an alternative to just ignoring joins/parts/quits on high volume channels
• 1667[19:41:27] <nvz> like maybe redirecting them to another window or something
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• 1669[19:42:05] <nvz> or making a more intelligent script that knows when it might be important for me to see a quit message
• 1670[19:42:09] <nvz> like if I'd been talking to the person
• 1671[19:42:10] <greycat> I wonder if any clients have a setting to ignore parts *unless* the person spoke in the channel in the last 20 minutes.
• 1672[19:42:20] <jmcnaught> weechat does that
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• 1678[19:44:42] <jmcnaught> irssi also has a recentdepart.pl script. I just set join/part/quit messages to be dark grey so they're still visible but real messages stand out.
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• 1682[19:48:21] <ratrace> I rely on tab completion usually
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• 1697[19:58:43] <outoftime> Asking for link about how to understand "must", "have to" and "should" in docs.
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• 1699[19:59:43] <jmcnaught> outoftime: replaced-url
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• 1701[20:00:46] <jmcnaught> outoftime: there's also apparently an RFC 6919.
• 1702[20:00:49] <outoftime> jmcnaught, RFC2119 thx.
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• 1704[20:02:27] <bthomas> Will be greatful for any help interpreting this ( replaced-url
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• 1706[20:03:02] <devrikx> Hi all - I'm a little stumped and embarrassed as I've not had this problem with nvidia in all the years I've used/developed with Debian. However, I'm having problems getting ANY nvidia card working with Debian 10. I've tried disabling wayland (which gets me a solid terminal) but I have to ctrl+alt+f[X] to do so, I do not get GDM running. I'm forced to use nouveau.. has anyone managed to get a 1070 working with debian 10?
• 1707[20:03:06] <bthomas> Looks like the kernel modesetting module is being unloaded. I see 'UnloadModule: "modesetting"' in X.org logs (full log at replaced-url
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• 1713[20:05:40] <jelly> bthomas, that log looks as if normal 4.19 kernel is booted, not 5.5
• 1714[20:05:53] <jelly> [ 4.864] Current Operating System: Linux debian 4.19.0-9-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.118-2 (2020-04-29) x86_64
• 1715[20:06:14] <nvz> bthomas: the kernel doesnt have a modesetting module.. thats the x log telling you the x module modesetting is unloaded
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• 1717[20:06:28] <jelly> bthomas, that that module in xorg log is xorg module
• 1718[20:06:53] <nvz> if you do "modinfo modesetting" as root you'll see, there is no such module in the kernel
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• 1724[20:08:24] <jelly> I am not sure whether just the upgraded kernel will be enough to make 10gen i7 gpu work
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• 1730[20:13:22] <greycat> The best way to find out would be to try it.
• 1731[20:14:05] <jelly> bthomas, make sure you also have backported firmware packages installed
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• 1744[20:23:21] <bthomas> thanks jelly
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• 1762[20:31:04] <eboladoc> Hey Guys I just updated 2 of my computers (Debian Bullseye) and the following error occured
• 1763[20:31:13] <eboladoc> Setting up python3-distutils (3.8.3-2) ...
• 1764[20:31:15] <eboladoc> find: ‘/usr/lib/python3.7/distutils’: No such file or directory
• 1765[20:31:18] <eboladoc> find: ‘/usr/lib/python3.7/distutils’: No such file or directory
• 1766[20:31:19] <eboladoc> find: ‘/usr/lib/python3.7’: No such file or directory
• 1767[20:31:25] <eboladoc> How can I verify that this is harmless?
• 1768[20:31:46] <greycat> by running the programs you normally run
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• 1770[20:32:09] <greycat> if you want a more detailed answer, see...
• 1771[20:32:12] <greycat> !debian-next
• 1772[20:32:12] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
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• 1778[20:34:39] <eboladoc> Thanks, I will just get back to the people on #debian-next if something broke :)
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• 1807[20:59:30] <ayjay_t> can one apt over ssh
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• 1809[20:59:44] <ayjay_t> like can i set up a debian repo that's only accessible over ssh
• 1810[21:00:34] <ayjay_t> seemsl ike the answer is no
• 1811[21:00:38] <ayjay_t> that seems like an oversight
• 1812[21:01:04] <ayjay_t> nvm i take it back
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• 1815[21:01:53] <ayjay_t> replaced-url
• 1816[21:01:56] <ayjay_t> looks v nice
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• 1830[21:20:27] <ddsys> debian10 not seeing my wifi adapter but it works fine on windows dual-boot. im using stable with backports 5.5.0 kernel. any ideas?
• 1831[21:21:22] <sney> check dmesg for missing firmware messages. most wifi nics require non-free firmware from userspace
• 1832[21:21:41] <ddsys> i have firmware-iwlwifi installed
• 1833[21:22:11] <ddsys> new laptop and i had to get newer kernel to boot
• 1834[21:22:52] <sney> ok, and if you do 'dmesg |grep iwlwifi' does it report that the firmware was loaded and show you the correct model number etc?
• 1835[21:23:52] <ddsys> iwlwifi 0000:00:14.3: firmware: failed to load iwlwifi-Qu-c0-hr-b0-52.ucode
• 1836[21:24:14] <ddsys> about 20 lines like that
• 1837[21:24:18] <sney> ,file iwlwifi-Qu-c0-hr-b0-52.ucode
• 1838[21:24:22] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
• 1839[21:24:30] <sney> ,file iwlwifi-Qu-c0-hr-b0-52.ucode --release buster-backports
• 1840[21:24:31] <judd> No packages in buster-backports/amd64 were found with that file.
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• 1842[21:24:59] <shtrb> ,file iwlwifi-Qu-c0-hr-b0-52.ucode
• 1843[21:25:00] <sney> ok. the non-free firmware in debian is about a year old and we've been seeing this a lot. the firmware for your nic should be available from upstream, one sec
• 1844[21:25:03] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
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• 1847[21:25:38] <ddsys> ok
• 1848[21:26:44] <sney> about 20 lines like that, including other file names?
• 1849[21:26:50] <ddsys> yes
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• 1852[21:27:29] <sney> ok. go here replaced-url
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• 1856[21:28:13] <ddsys> sney: thank you
• 1857[21:28:53] <sney> np
• 1858[21:29:12] <ddsys> ill reort in a bit
• 1859[21:29:16] <ddsys> report
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• 1881[21:41:19] <ddsys> sney: worked perfect thanks again
• 1882[21:42:12] <sney> np
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• 1900[22:05:31] <ddsys> sney: updating the firmware fixed my wifi adapter being found but now my audio is out :(
• 1901[22:05:47] <ddsys> dmesg hass no error for audio
• 1902[22:06:10] <greycat> Are you using pulseaudio? If so, try running pavucontrol.
• 1903[22:06:16] <ddsys> yes
• 1904[22:07:07] <ws2k3> once i put some traffic on my debian machine i get a flapping network interface. dmesg shows me the following: replaced-url
• 1905[22:07:22] <ddsys> pavucontrol looks okay
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• 1907[22:08:19] <greycat> What exactly does "audio is out" mean? What program are you running, and what error/problem do you get?
• 1908[22:08:27] <sney> ws2k3: is that a real nic or virtualized?
• 1909[22:08:33] <ws2k3> sney: real nic
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• 1911[22:09:05] <ddsys> greycat: youtube and also playing an mp3
• 1912[22:09:11] <ddsys> no sound
• 1913[22:09:17] <ws2k3> sney: and before people start saying this is the nic of cable/switch. it does not happen for 24 hours when we do not put any traffic on the box. so i suspect kernel/driver or something in that direction
• 1914[22:09:34] <sney> ws2k3: try forcing the speed/duplex instead of using autoneg
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• 1923[22:11:09] <greycat> ddsys: Standard shotgun, then: make sure pavucontrol "Output Devices" shows the right device. Make sure the speakers/headphones are plugged in the right jack. Make sure the speakers are powered on. Make sure volume isn't set to 0. Make sure it's not muted.
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• 1925[22:12:02] <sney> ws2k3: ok... try forcing the speed/duplex instead of using autoneg
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• 1927[22:12:23] <ddsys> greycat headphones get sound
• 1928[22:12:41] <ws2k3> sney: no difference
• 1929[22:13:14] <ddsys> greycat: pavucontrol says speakers unavailable
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• 1931[22:13:27] <devrikx> Regarding my 'no desktop with nvidia-driver on a 1070' issue - I went ahead and updated to 5.5 kernel and installed the 440 driver from backports... I tried to manually start the session (wayland is disabled, ran 'startx') and I got the following Xorg.0.log file: replaced-url
• 1932[22:13:27] <devrikx> runs and builds the module for the installed kernel and blacklists nouveau... just it doesn't work. >.>
• 1933[22:13:54] <ddsys> greycat: i think its the firmware i just upgraded
• 1934[22:14:18] <sney> ws2k3: sorry to disappoint you but it probably is the cable. if it negotiates a speed but can't actually pass traffic that's the most likely culprit.
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• 1938[22:16:37] <sney> devrikx: that's still trying to load nouveau. did you confirm that the nvidia module actually built? you can find them in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms
• 1939[22:18:27] <greycat> ddsys: more shotgun: is "timidity" running? it's known to seize control of audio devices.
• 1940[22:19:15] <devrikx> sney: I watched the process succeed in terminal - if it reported incorrectly I'm stumped, but I'll have to reinstall the driver to check -> some moments on that please. I was going to argue that if it didnt detect and create the device perhaps that's why its not trying to load the nviida module.. but then again I remember the order is actually along the lines of the module loading and then the device being created... makes sense
• 1941[22:19:15] <devrikx> - thanks I'll get back to you.
• 1942[22:19:54] <ddsys> greycat: timidity as a service? no timidity service found
• 1943[22:20:16] <sney> devrikx: if you look in the directory I just told you to look in, you don't have to rebuild anything. if the module did not successfully build then the nvidia .ko files will not be there.
• 1944[22:21:52] <ddsys> greycat: timidity not installed
• 1945[22:22:14] <devrikx> sney: I don't have an 'updates' directory - only build,kernel,source. I suggested needing to retry because I uninstalled and purged *nvidia* and dkms seemed to have done something at the end of _that_ process.
• 1946[22:23:51] <ws2k3> sney: gonna make a ticket at the ISP and we shall see
• 1947[22:23:56] <jeroenimo> jmcnaught: I have Version: 20161130+nmu1+deb9u1
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• 1949[22:25:21] <sney> devrikx: ok, make sure the linux-headers package for your kernel is installed (for a bpo kernel this is apt -t buster-backports install linux-headers-amd64)
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• 1953[22:29:54] <devrikx> sney: I can confirm the modules exist after the install process completes. I have to imagine they did before, but just in case my many purge and reinstall attempts through the stable kernel and my deviation through testing and then to backports drivers, and then moving to backports kernel and subsequently trying the backports driver had some sort of issue with - for instance - not completely doing a clean attempt some how...
• 1954[22:29:54] <devrikx> I'll go ahead and attempt to reboot.
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• 1956[22:31:24] <jeroenimo> jmcnaught: I think I found it.. ;-)
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• 1959[22:32:22] <jeroenimo> jmcnaught: thanks...
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• 1961[22:34:06] <devrikx> sney: I"m not using an xorg conf, I have wayland enabled set to false in gdm3, (modprobe files) nouveau blacklist: replaced-url
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• 1963[22:34:38] <devrikx> If there's anything else you can think of for me to post before I reboot and go through that process, I'll wait a few and see if you think of something (and check a couple things)
• 1964[22:35:16] <sney> did you update the initramfs as instructed in the nouveau blacklist? (apt should do this automatically, but to be sure)
• 1965[22:35:56] <devrikx> sney: just now I did since you mentioned it (it did look like apt did it though)
• 1966[22:36:08] <sney> that should be everything
• 1967[22:36:15] <devrikx> alright, I'll report back
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• 1993[22:58:56] <devrikx> sney: unfortunately it was the same thing. I did verify that the module was still there, that there were no devices created under /dev, I tried 'startx' after ctrl+alt+f2 as root and normal user, and I copied the log to my home directory before having to do a stale start (usb freezes gui the first reboot after these trials for some reason) to preserve it: replaced-url
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• 1996[22:59:40] <annadane> is there any particular reason to use firejail vs apparmor for sandboxing firefox (not firefox-esr that comes with debian, the upstream one from mozilla)?
• 1997[22:59:42] <devrikx> The log file is from _before_ doing a startx - it was literally the same thing in the log from the manual start attempt though
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• 1999[23:00:26] <greycat> !xorg.0.log
• 2000[23:00:26] <dpkg> Xorg.0.log is in /var/log/ unless you are on stretch-or-later and running X as non-root. Then it's in ~/.local/share/xorg/ instead.
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• 2002[23:01:04] <sney> devrikx: is xserver-xorg-video-nvidia installed?
• 2003[23:01:07] <devrikx> I copied the log to my home directory to ensure it wasn't overwritten - it was taken from there however
• 2004[23:02:02] <devrikx> At this very moment - no, I'm not sure how to blacklist nvidia and unblacklist nouveau, so I do apt-get remove --purge *nvidia* to get my desktop back
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• 2007[23:02:38] <devrikx> sney: if you know how I could switch back with out uninstalling, I'll do that - but I can try to find the apt log
• 2008[23:02:48] <sney> calm down and stop running ahead.
• 2009[23:02:54] <sney> install xserver-xorg-video-nvidia.
• 2010[23:03:21] <sney> and furthermore,
• 2011[23:03:24] <sney> !why recommends
• 2012[23:03:24] <dpkg> From Debian 5.0 "Lenny" onwards, apt-get and aptitude both install "Recommended" packages by default. From <policy> section 7.2, Recommends, "declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations." You're not that unusual, trust us. By not installing "recommended" packages you will be missing functionality.
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• 2016[23:04:41] <devrikx> sney: It was installed, even though it isnt at this moment. As I said I only uninstalled to get my desktop back so I could report back to you.
• 2017[23:05:46] <devrikx> sney: replaced-url
• 2018[23:07:00] <sney> that list from apt looks fine, you can accept
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• 2021[23:09:51] <sney> and you can use a console irc client like irssi to come back here when X isn't starting, that way the question of "is this installed?" doesn't get mired in confusing "well I had it before but not the other time" nonsense
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• 2023[23:10:32] <sney> nobody's memory is perfect - least of all mine - so best to troubleshoot what *is.*
• 2024[23:10:33] <devrikx> beautiful let me get _that_ installed and configured
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