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96 [01:25:13] <jaesreswrkk> I hate sed.
97 [01:25:16] <jaesreswrkk> so much right now.
98 [01:25:25] <jaesreswrkk> It is willing to modify all but one string.
99 [01:25:30] <jaesreswrkk> :|
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101 [01:25:49] <jaesreswrkk> But I am finally working with bash instead of automating my system with PHP
102 [01:25:51] <jaesreswrkk> so, there' sthat.
103 [01:26:28] <nkuttler> congrats for graduating from php
104 [01:26:35] <jaesreswrkk> I found it.
105 [01:26:38] <jaesreswrkk> I'm a moron.
106 [01:27:01] <jaesreswrkk> I'm lazy and instead of just escaping single quotes for sed I replaced them with double as my modification is contained in single quotes
107 [01:27:04] * jaesreswrkk facepalms
108 [01:27:10] <jaesreswrkk> Do I get the idiot of the year award yet?
109 [01:27:24] <jaesreswrkk> Or do I need to screw up something simpler
110 [01:28:04] <jaesreswrkk> Wait, that's not it
111 [01:28:27] <jaesreswrkk> nkuttler, I'm going to assume you understand sed, this is what's killing me:
112 [01:28:28] <jaesreswrkk> sed "s/'username' => 'root',/'username' => '$limeSurveyDatabaseUsername',/g" "$limeSurveyLocation/application/config/config-sample-mysql.php" > "$limeSurveyLocation/application/config/config.php"
113 [01:28:46] <jaesreswrkk> All my variables are set, but sed just keeps it as root instead of editing it
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115 [01:30:19] <jaesreswrkk> This works:
116 [01:30:25] <jaesreswrkk> sed "s/'password' => '',/'password' => '$LIMESURVEY_USER_PASS',/g" "$limeSurveyLocation/application/config/config-sample-mysql.php" > "$limeSurveyLocation/application/config/config.php"
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118 [01:31:41] <jaesreswrkk> Also enjoy the little macro I modified to generate secure passwords in bash and pass them to variables
119 [01:31:54] <jaesreswrkk> I *fucking* love head
120 [01:32:10] <jaesreswrkk> you can do stupid stuff like yes | head -c 1 | ufw enable
121 [01:32:11] <IanJ> lol
122 [01:32:40] <jaesreswrkk> oof. I realized what I said
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125 [01:35:36] <jaesreswrkk> So any suggestions for SED?
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128 [01:36:46] <annadane> i hear if you randomly mash your keyboard it will work eventually
129 [01:36:49] <jaesreswrkk> oh thank god
130 [01:36:51] <annadane> or at least that's what sed looks like to me
131 [01:36:56] <jaesreswrkk> It only has root once.
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133 [01:36:57] <jaesreswrkk> in the entire file
134 [01:37:02] <jaesreswrkk> I can just blindly change root
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136 [01:37:08] <jaesreswrkk> annadane, are you judging me....
137 [01:37:15] <annadane> no i'm judging me
138 [01:37:21] <jaesreswrkk> you just described me
139 [01:37:22] <annadane> for my lack of knowledge
140 [01:37:28] <jaesreswrkk> I feel very personally attacked
141 [01:37:55] * jaesreswrkk offers annadane a beer
142 [01:37:59] <jaesreswrkk> want a beer for SED
143 [01:38:11] <annadane> \*[-
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145 [01:38:58] <jaesreswrkk> I'll pretend I understand that
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147 [01:39:31] <jaesreswrkk> sed is amazing and awful
148 [01:39:33] <jaesreswrkk> It's like a spork
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150 [01:40:35] <jmcnaught> I almost read that as "sed is amazing and awkful"… but if nobody here can help there's also a ##sed channel.
151 [01:40:55] <jaesreswrkk> Ty
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154 [01:42:20] <FuzzyByte> AWK is superior to sed in some ways.
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157 [01:43:27] <jaesreswrkk> This is for a one off project
158 [01:43:37] <jaesreswrkk> The goal is to just made setting up a few pieces of software quicker
159 [01:45:05] <jmcnaught> jaesreswrkk: have you tried using something like Ansible for this instead of a bash script?
160 [01:45:45] <jaesreswrkk> The people using the script are expected to not know how to use things like ansible
161 [01:45:49] <jaesreswrkk> we're giving them a oneliner
162 [01:45:58] <jaesreswrkk> I want to use ansible as it looks fun
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188 [02:13:01] <jaesreswrkk> I think I found a bug
189 [02:13:11] <jaesreswrkk> sed 4.7 on Debian 10 can't change the word root
190 [02:13:49] <jaesreswrkk> echo "root" | sed "s/root/noroot/"
191 [02:13:49] <jaesreswrkk> returns the intended results
192 [02:13:58] <jaesreswrkk> But if you try and do it to a file from disk it wont change root
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194 [02:14:35] <jaesreswrkk> what
195 [02:14:40] <jaesreswrkk> Now it's willing to
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242 [03:08:18] <GenTooMan> hmm for what reason would usb drives not mount suddenly?
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249 [03:18:52] <GenTooMan> oh ... hmm ... should I look at dmseg to see which of the many I have it was?
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323 [04:16:34] <dd> debian testing all was fine. now no audio. audio works fine on dual boot windows. any ideas?
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326 [04:17:35] <annadane> !debian-next
327 [04:17:35] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
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377 [05:31:57] <GenTooMan> can I access the consoles via CTRL-ALT-F12 then do root things and reboot? I would have to unmount several partitions (except maybe the swap)
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379 [05:33:53] <kristopolous> Hi suppose I am stepping through some code in gdb, and it say uses a function from a header in libxrandr-dev and I want to step into the .c file associated with it. Is there a convenient debian way to install the source files corresponding to these -dev packages so that gdb will find it without much hassle?
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381 [05:35:34] <kristopolous> I can of course manually do this by apt-src'ing something to my local directory, then setting things up etc ... but I have a high suspicion there is a better and semi-magical way
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384 [05:45:11] <somiaj> !dbgsym
385 [05:45:11] <dpkg> Packages that end in '*-dbgsym' contain the symbols required for debugging executables and libraries. The dbgsym packages are automatically generated packages that are in a separate archive; add a line like "deb replaced-url
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389 [05:45:36] <somiaj> kristopolous: install the -dbgsym package should give you info for that
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505 [08:57:08] <rohanrhu> hi
506 [08:57:34] <rohanrhu> is there a package for php-pcntl?
507 [08:57:53] <rohanrhu> php-cli includes pcntl but apache-php does not
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509 [09:00:55] <jelly> rohanrhu, which debian release are you using?
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511 [09:01:47] <jelly> it is probably better to use php fpm with apache than mod_php
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523 [09:10:55] <rohanrhu> jelly: buster
524 [09:11:10] <rohanrhu> jelly: thank you im looking to fpm
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527 [09:12:01] <oxek> I use debian-stable xfce. How do I change the lightdm wallpaper (the one shown on the login screen)? Currently it shows the default debian 10 buster wallpaper and I want to change it to a company wallpaper.
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530 [09:14:19] <rohanrhu> jelly: is there a posibility to some uncompatibilities when i switch to fpm?
531 [09:14:25] <rohanrhu> for php apps
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535 [09:25:19] <bouzu_> rohanrhu, shouldnt matter. i have migrated some php apps from mod_php to fpm and didn't have trouble regarding the app functionaliy itself. would recommend not doing this on a production envirionment first. but this tip applies to all major changes. also check out replaced-url
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537 [09:26:16] <rohanrhu> bouzu_: nice thank you
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647 [10:41:26] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi guys
648 [10:41:34] <Eryn_1983_FL> how can i build libxtf with a patch for debian
649 [10:42:02] <Eryn_1983_FL> i want to get this on debian replaced-url
650 [10:42:04] <Eryn_1983_FL> buster
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674 [10:59:39] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: replaced-url
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676 [11:01:47] <Eryn_1983_FL> thanks
677 [11:02:28] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: basically, you install the deb src, add the patch in the debian/patches dir, and use quilt to manage the patch addition, and then you build it. If you want you can also change the package version and add a ~ modifier or something to make it different from upstream...
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679 [11:03:03] <Eryn_1983_FL> how would i roll back if it borks my x?
680 [11:03:11] <Eryn_1983_FL> apt remove?
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683 [11:05:26] <ratrace> forcing apt reinstall would reinstall from the official repos, not from your local .deb, so that's one way. if you bumped version, you can specify upstream version like apt install youpackage=1.2.3 or whatever the upstream version
684 [11:05:33] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
685 [11:05:42] <Eryn_1983_FL> sweet ty ratrace
686 [11:05:46] <Eryn_1983_FL> ill give it a go
687 [11:06:13] <ratrace> just note that usually apt doesn't support downgrades due to possible post-inst scripts that may do one-way changes (eg. trigger database tables changes).
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690 [11:06:45] <oxek> ,v youtube-dl
691 [11:06:46] <judd> Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- stretch: 2017.05.18.1-1; stretch-backports: 2019.01.17-1.1~bpo9+1; buster: 2019.01.17-1.1; bullseye: 2020.05.08-1; sid: 2020.05.08-1; bullseye-multimedia: 2020.06.06-dmo1; buster-multimedia: 2020.06.06-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 2020.06.06-dmo1
692 [11:06:47] <oxek> What is buster-multimedia?
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694 [11:06:56] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: so if you're patching out THAT part of the installation, you might not be able to easily downgrade like that
695 [11:07:10] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
696 [11:10:16] <oxek> !deb-multimedia
697 [11:10:17] <dpkg> We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See replaced-url
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723 [11:37:18] <grammoboy> ok this must be the first time since Windows XP, that I've a huge urge to slam my keyboard! Is this why people freak about systemd? A stopping job is running for 1:30 min! when reboot/shutdown. Wtf! I thought this was Windows only behavior
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725 [11:37:43] <grammoboy> freaking f*ck
726 [11:38:48] <grammoboy> :)
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729 [11:39:56] <grammoboy> aptitude search watchdog
730 [11:40:11] <grammoboy> sudo apt install watchdog
731 [11:40:23] <grammoboy> sudo systemctl enable watchdog.service
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733 [11:41:14] <grammoboy> needed to give a password 3(!) times, to change on runtime... cool
734 [11:42:15] <grammoboy> wtf is going on with debian
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736 [11:42:48] <grammoboy> this starts to feel like windows... ubuntu at best
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744 [11:47:19] <iwkse_> hi, I have an issue on a debian server, on boot nginx and php are not started. I checked systemctl configuration and seems okay. When I see in logs I see nginx.service: Failed with result 'timeout'. Running manually just works fine. Any hint?
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748 [11:51:35] <ratrace> well, it's not systemd's fault but whoever MISCONFIGURED it to run 1:30 on (re)boot where it doesn't need to
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750 [11:52:23] <ratrace> iwkse_: that was not for you :) for you is this: can you pastebin the relevant journal logs please? journalctl -u nginx.service
751 [11:53:18] <iwkse_> ratrace: ah ok:-) I'm trying increasing the TimeoutStartSec
752 [11:53:26] <iwkse_> ratrace: it's just the timeout..actually
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761 [12:00:20] <iwkse_> ratrace: doesn't work, that's the log replaced-url
762 [12:00:22] <ratrace> iwkse_: timeout of what
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764 [12:01:00] <iwkse_> this is starting nginx
765 [12:01:05] <ratrace> iwkse_: StartPre times out, so that'd be the nginx -t test. I'm guessing your network is not up yet at that point
766 [12:01:18] <iwkse_> ratrace: yes
767 [12:01:31] <iwkse_> but there's a after network.target
768 [12:01:38] <ratrace> iwkse_: make it start After=network-online.target .... or, how are you defining the network?
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770 [12:01:46] <iwkse_> oh..ok
771 [12:01:55] <iwkse_> it's network but not network-online
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773 [12:03:26] <ratrace> iwkse_: technically network.target should work too, does here. How are you setting up the network?
774 [12:05:50] <iwkse_> ratrace: it's a server, last thing I did I installed l2tp server, but I think this issue was also at the very beginning
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776 [12:08:35] <ratrace> iwkse_: "it's a server" doesn't answer the question of how the network is set up. could be static, dhcp, NM controlled, networkd controller, ifupdown controller, ....
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783 [12:13:51] <iwkse_> ratrace: yeah, meant I didn't set it up myself
784 [12:13:53] <iwkse_> moment
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786 [12:14:22] <iwkse_> ratrace: static ip
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788 [12:15:25] <ratrace> iwkse_: using ifupdown?
789 [12:15:32] <ratrace> pastebin please
790 [12:15:42] <ratrace> you can censor the IPs, don't care about them
791 [12:16:59] <Yruama> hi, can someones explain me how to search a bug reports by keyword in subject ?
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794 [12:18:54] <Yruama> i'm using this page replaced-url
795 [12:19:22] <Yruama> but i never get result, even for a bug i reported
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798 [12:20:04] <iwkse_> ratrace: I think it's using networkd
799 [12:20:10] <iwkse_> not ifupdown
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806 [12:28:12] <ratrace> iwkse_: look I really don't have the time nor inclination to ask you ten thousand times the same thing over and over
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809 [12:29:43] <iwkse_> ratrace: sorry, I didn't get what you were asking for. You want the content of /etc/network/interfaces without IPs?
810 [12:29:52] <ratrace> iwkse_: I asked you to pastebin your config
811 [12:29:58] <iwkse_> ratrace: which?
812 [12:30:07] <ratrace> if you're using networkd, then no, not /etc/network/interfaces
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815 [12:31:58] <iwkse_> ratrace: I've checked, it's not on networkd as well. I don't have a deep knowledge on what is managing the network on this server. I checked and it's not ifupdown and networkd
816 [12:32:07] <ratrace> iwkse_: oh another thing, by default there should be /var/log/nginx/error.log, so check/pastebin that to for additional clues
817 [12:32:37] <ratrace> iwkse_: it's not ifupdown? /etc/network/interfaces(.d/) doesn't set up your config?
818 [12:32:53] <Yruama> i really don't understand how to search bugreport in debian database. For example, i reported a bug this week, and the only way to find it back is by it's number
819 [12:33:10] <iwkse_> ratrace: yes, it's empty that folder
820 [12:33:15] <ratrace> iwkse_: is this debian?
821 [12:33:18] <iwkse_> yes
822 [12:33:24] <ratrace> iwkse_: you 100% sure? it's not like ubuntu with netplan?
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824 [12:33:38] <neox_> Bichou
825 [12:33:46] <ratrace> iwkse_: and "empty folder" .. but what bout /etc/network/interfaces _file_ ?
826 [12:33:51] <iwkse_> /etc/network/interfaces is there
827 [12:34:10] <ratrace> iwkse_: and that is configured for static IP?
828 [12:34:26] <iwkse_> ratrace: yes
829 [12:34:28] <ratrace> WOULD YOU KINDLY PASTEBIN THAT LIKE I ASKED A FEW TIMES ALREADY
830 [12:34:32] <ratrace> also... that IS ifupdown.
831 [12:34:51] <iwkse_> ok thanks, I know it, sorry if for you is trivial, for me is not
832 [12:35:03] <iwkse_> if you need to get altered I don't need your helf
833 [12:35:04] <iwkse_> help
834 [12:35:08] <iwkse_> I don't want to hurt your health
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836 [12:35:30] <ratrace> iwkse_: I want you to pay attention to what you're being asked to provide, after you're asking us to provide our free time and knowledge to help you
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838 [12:35:53] <ratrace> also, if that's a public server, you should NOT be running one without basic knowledge of how to set it up
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840 [12:36:13] <iwkse_> ratrace: ok I will shut down the server, thanks for the advice
841 [12:36:26] <ratrace> please do and save us the trouble of fighting another pwned botnet later.
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843 [12:36:35] <iwkse_> ok I will
844 [12:37:24] <ratrace> iwkse_: and next time when someone asks oyu if you /etc/network/interfaces sets up your network, and you say NO, and later you say YES... think twice who is wasting whose time here...
845 [12:37:41] <iwkse_> ratrace: next time learn to READ
846 [12:37:49] <iwkse_> I wrote it's static ip
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848 [12:38:03] <ratrace> static IP can be set up in a NUMBER of ways
849 [12:38:13] <iwkse_> now please stop replying to me and get calm in some way, It's not my business anymore to deal with your nerves. Thank you
850 [12:38:15] <ratrace> like I said... via ifupdown, networkd, NM, ...
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852 [12:38:26] <ratrace> "static ip" means nothing in context of WHAT is defining your network.
853 [12:38:36] <ratrace> iwkse_: good luck with that then.
854 [12:38:46] <iwkse_> good look with your nerves as well
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907 [13:02:00] <oxek> I use debian-stable xfce. How do I change the lightdm wallpaper (the one shown on the login screen)? Currently it shows the default debian 10 buster wallpaper and I want to change it to a company wallpaper.
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924 [13:08:23] <jim> hi, saga continues about my laptop running below even the minimum sometimes, I need it running fast so it can deal with audio streams
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927 [13:09:19] <jim> is this the best place to ask about that (since that laptop is running debian stable)?
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930 [13:10:06] <jim> question would be, what form do governors take? can I compose one?
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933 [13:10:59] <aaro> jim: what governor are you using?
934 [13:11:08] <ratrace> jim: was that that <800MHz issue?
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951 [13:13:52] <jim> ratrace, yeah, from yesterday... aaro, switched to performance (I think: let me boot it and see if it's still on performance)
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953 [13:14:15] <jim> if not, it's on powersave
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961 [13:17:39] <ratrace> jim: from yesterday? weren't you the one asking several days ago about cpu going below declared min of 800MHz ?
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964 [13:19:50] <jim> yeah, I did ask, and yeah, it could have been several days ago
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966 [13:20:03] <aaro> jim: if you want max freq all time the governor would be "performance" even though that may cause heating issues
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968 [13:21:11] <jim> so laptop finished booting, and it is on the performance governor, and when I looked at the report, it said it was running at 610mhz
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970 [13:21:24] <jim> (and min is 800mhz
971 [13:21:24] <ratrace> jim: ah, k. so one idea came to mind since then, try disabling Intel Power Management in your bios and see if that pegs the cpu to stock max frequency
972 [13:21:25] <jim> )
973 [13:21:44] <f8e4> hi, how do you call those things run in a terminal ?
974 [13:21:47] <f8e4> eg awk
975 [13:21:59] <ratrace> f8e4: command line programs?
976 [13:22:13] <jim> userland programs?
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978 [13:22:27] <jim> well not all userland are command line
979 [13:22:32] <f8e4> those or long impresicse terms
980 [13:22:32] <ratrace> nah, even GUI apps are userland (as opposed to in-kernel)
981 [13:22:51] <ratrace> f8e4: your question is unclear then.
982 [13:22:53] <f8e4> CV name?
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984 [13:23:26] <jim> ratrace, anyway thanks, I'll try that
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992 [13:26:37] <f8e4> is there graphviz for debian, i cant find a simple as good tool to express graphs via tex
993 [13:27:04] <ratrace> jim: thing is, I never heard of an Intel CPU of i3/5/7 generation operating at below declared minimum, or even below 800MHz, under normal conditions
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998 [13:28:07] <ratrace> jim: so short of an unlikely (but possible, I guess) kernel bug (intel pstate is well supported here, it's unlikely to report wrongly), I believe it's a hardware issue
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1000 [13:28:41] <ratrace> jim: bios maybe, or incompatible/faulty memory sticks forcing unnatural downclocking.... PSU/voltage issues even but those would result with likely visible data corruption.
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1003 [13:29:29] <ratrace> jim: also you could try userland governor with cpufrequtils
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1006 [13:30:04] <ratrace> !info cpufrequtils
1007 [13:30:13] <dpkg> cpufrequtils: (utilities to deal with the cpufreq Linux kernel feature), section admin, is optional. Version: 008-2 (sid), Packaged size: 36 kB, Installed size: 176 kB
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1026 [13:55:28] <omeniux> are people using workspaces?
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1028 [13:55:48] <omeniux> I always turn them off after accidentally switching between them
1029 [13:56:49] <omeniux> maybe if you really have two different context that you are working with they would be cool
1030 [13:57:54] <AimHere> I used to use them a lot more when I only had one monitor
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1037 [13:59:30] <quadrathoch2> It makes more sense if only using with 1 monitor, but I do have to say, on gnome for example, the way it works with multiple monitors is horrible :/
1038 [13:59:52] <jim> ratrace, I'm in the bios settings now, I didn't see a setting for intel power management... would you know where it is for an HP probook 650 g1?
1039 [13:59:54] <RhineDevil> With gpg --sign $file, how do I select the position of resulting $file.gpg?
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1041 [14:00:19] <ratrace> jim: I wouldn't, sorry
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1044 [14:00:52] <ratrace> omeniux: yes, especially if you're using tiling WMs
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1048 [14:07:02] <omeniux> I have to try those tiling WM's. I always find myself doing that manually and it needs to be perfect because my tiling ocd
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1051 [14:09:36] <g0zzy> I want to change the mysql server bind address. Is it the case that ALL files in /etc/mysql/mariadb.conf.d will be read? I'd like to be able to create something like 50-server.cnf.old
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1054 [14:14:12] <g0zzy> Should be OK: "All option file names must end in .cnf on Unix-like operating systems." (MariaDb docs)
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1060 [14:21:47] <narutowaifu> hi, /etc/mime.types does not have an entry for jsonld. This is a problem because programs such as lighttpd and apache rely on this file, and when I server a static file.jsonld they do not return any header, and clients libraries will refuse to parse it. Where can I open an issue for this
1061 [14:22:16] <narutowaifu> I've added it manually but I think it should be there by default
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1064 [14:25:27] <ratrace> omeniux: i3-wm ftw. I'm using it.
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1066 [14:26:24] <ratrace> narutowaifu: file a wishlist type bug report against mime-support package
1067 [14:26:59] <ratrace> narutowaifu: btw, I'm sure ligthy and apache can reconfigure which mimetypes file they use, if you don't wanna mess with packaged etc files
1068 [14:28:10] <oxek> ratrace: is i3 planning on moving onto wayland, or is sway designed to be the direct replacement for i3?
1069 [14:28:41] <ratrace> oxek: afaik sway is supposed to be the next-gen wayland i3 thingy
1070 [14:28:59] <miskatonic> are there no files in /etc/ designed to be not overwritten by a reinstall or upgrade?
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1072 [14:29:15] <ratrace> oxek: but you know FOSS.... anything can happen :)
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1074 [14:29:31] <miskatonic> Sway is a waylandish substitute for i3 ... kind of sort of
1075 [14:29:55] <ratrace> miskatonic: none are afaik, without package management asking to replace or merge changes
1076 [14:30:39] <oxek> ratrace: thanks
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1078 [14:31:16] <oxek> I currently do this when I want to kill all processes with some name: kill `pidof firefox`
1079 [14:31:26] <oxek> but was told this is the wrong way, and there's a more efficient command for it
1080 [14:31:48] <oxek> is using `` bad?
1081 [14:32:27] <ratrace> oxek: you can use pkill
1082 [14:32:44] <miskatonic> $(command) is sometimes better than the backticks
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1084 [14:34:00] <ratrace> depends on the shell, but I doubt it has anything to do with shell syntax, and more with executing a subcommand to output something as argument for another command, whereas pkill was designed to regex directly
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1087 [14:35:03] <floogy> Hi, ssh takes up to a minute to ask for a password.
1088 [14:35:40] <ratrace> floogy: sounds like either lack of entropy or DNS lookup for your client's IP hostname
1089 [14:36:38] <ratrace> ideally, look through logs to see if sshd is complaining about something, and you can use -v on the client side (if that's openssh on linux) to see where exactly it hogs
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1091 [14:37:45] <floogy> ratrace, hm, I guess it's not due to DNS. So where can I find the logs? It seems, that I only find auth.log
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1093 [14:38:15] <ratrace> floogy: journalctl -u ssh.service, or yes, the auth.log, but that only filters by auth or user facilities
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1097 [14:39:10] <oxek> pkill it is then, thanks
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1100 [14:41:00] <floogy> ratrace, sshd serves on non standard port
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1103 [14:41:40] <floogy> in sshd_config: LoginGraceTime 60
1104 [14:42:10] <floogy> But i already tried to set it to 5, and I think it is not related.
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1107 [14:43:35] <ratrace> floogy: is there anything in dmesg, kern.log or journal, complaining about entropy?
1108 [14:43:58] <ratrace> I don't remember the exact wording, but iirc sshd _would_ complain about the lack of entropy
1109 [14:44:07] <floogy> replaced-url
1110 [14:44:14] <ratrace> or you can just install haveged anyway, it's a good thing to have nonetheless
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1113 [14:45:06] <quadrathoch2> oxek, just to give you another view ;). the author of i3 moved on to other projects and doesn't want to rewrite i3 to wayland. that's why there is sway by another guy, but both still work together, and some work is done in i3 (for example merge i3 blocks)
1114 [14:45:18] <ratrace> floogy: btw which debian is that?
1115 [14:46:09] <miskatonic> i never succeed in creating a gpg key, it always fails for lack of entropy
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1117 [14:46:25] <floogy> nope, only from apache log munin localhost.localdomain-entropy-week.png
1118 [14:46:38] <floogy> dztetch
1119 [14:46:47] <floogy> lol stretch
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1121 [14:47:50] <oxek> quadrathoch2: I think that settles it then. If I am to learn a tiling wm, I might as well go sway instead of i3
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1123 [14:48:52] <quadrathoch2> oxek, sway is a i3 replacement, so when you learn one, you know the other (you can even use the same config file)
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1125 [14:51:12] <floogy> I don't know haveged
1126 [14:51:15] <floogy> Jun 07 14:49:22 pv10.foo.selfhost.eu haveged[10221]: haveged: ver: 1.9.1; arch: x86; vend: GenuineIntel; build: (gcc 6.3.0 ITV); collect: 128K
1127 [14:51:15] <floogy> Jun 07 14:49:22 pv10.foo.selfhost.eu haveged[10221]: haveged: cpu: (L4 VC); data: 32K (L4 V); inst: 32K (L4 V); idx: 24/40; sz: 32606/55335
1128 [14:51:15] <floogy> Jun 07 14:49:22 pv10.foo.selfhost.eu haveged[10221]: haveged: tot tests(BA8): A:1/1 B:1/1 continuous tests(B): last entropy estimate 7.9988
1129 [14:51:16] <floogy> Jun 07 14:49:22 pv10.foo.selfhost.eu haveged[10221]: haveged: fills: 0, generated: 0
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1131 [14:52:35] <metbsd> my debian keeps rebooting every other day. is there way to find out why
1132 [14:52:45] <metbsd> where is log for it
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1137 [14:56:01] <ratrace> metbsd: you can look through /var/log/messages or (...)/kern.log specifically. or even better enable journald persistent logging to have journalctl facilities at your disposal
1138 [14:56:35] <ratrace> but logs assume whatever the crash, there was enough time to commit to disk any complaints about it, before actual reboot. if that was kernel panic, there might not be any logs
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1141 [14:57:07] <floogy> ratrace, replaced-url
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1144 [14:58:33] <ratrace> floogy: btw, as long as you have PasswordAuthentication yes and don't disable ChallengeResponseAuthentication, that pubkey you use is only convenience, it doesn't improve security.
1145 [14:58:43] <ratrace> floogy: meanwhile, you started flodding about haveged ... you have it installed?
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1148 [14:59:38] <floogy> yes. last entropy estimate 7.9988 Sorry, about flooding. i thought four lines are ok.
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1151 [15:00:38] <ratrace> floogy: is that a VM? OpenVZ?
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1160 [15:04:29] <floogy> yes, virtualbox
1161 [15:05:00] <floogy> It was openvz, I migrated it with rsync. On openvz it was the same.
1162 [15:05:31] <ratrace> floogy: does using pubkeys behave differently?
1163 [15:05:53] <ratrace> floogy: also, it's not visible from that client side log, where the hog is. idk if there's a way to enable timestamps for -v , I don't see it in the docs
1164 [15:05:53] <metbsd> is calltrace a bug
1165 [15:06:04] <ratrace> metbsd: ENOCONTEXT
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1167 [15:06:23] <floogy> I'm not sure, if I already configured it ...
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1180 [15:23:21] <velix> Does anyone know some websites for destroying debian, f.e. removing all standard commands, like tar, dpkg etc. for container hardening?
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1184 [15:29:41] <EdePopede> velix: you want to remove all standard commands from your installation or what's the goal?
1185 [15:30:24] <velix> EdePopede: container hardening (research, no production).
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1188 [15:32:42] <EdePopede> definitely interesting, i did this with suse maybe 15 years ago. unselected everything manually before install, doublechecked it, and it still installed some packages. of course. basic filesystem, some system libraries, a shell. such things. they were tagged as indispensable or such. and why did i do it? just because.
1189 [15:33:08] <velix> EdePopede: Actually, I could also find all binaries and just remove them ;)
1190 [15:33:28] <velix> I don't think, the is a Debianish way
1191 [15:33:32] <EdePopede> so you want to go the "less files, less attack vectors" path?
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1195 [15:34:18] <rohanrhu> pcntl functions still does not exists with fastcgi :/
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1197 [15:34:40] <RhineDevil> With gpg --sign $file, how do I select the position of resulting $file.gpg?
1198 [15:35:01] <rohanrhu> jelly bouzu_ do you have an idea?
1199 [15:35:04] <velix> EdePopede: Actually, my containers are already running rootless, daemonless and read-only. But an intruder still could download files to tmpfs.
1200 [15:35:17] <velix> EdePopede: Oh, a friend just linked me here: replaced-url
1201 [15:35:23] <velix> It also has Debian10. Interesting.
1202 [15:35:37] <velix> 8 MB Debian10 :D
1203 [15:36:02] <EdePopede> ah, i remember some guy posted some attacks to his httpd, trying to put some shell script into /tmp and run it from there.
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1205 [15:36:32] <EdePopede> back to boot disk + root disk
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1207 [15:36:55] <ratrace> that's a known vector of attack via web apps that use /tmp to store temporary stuff... , uploads usually
1208 [15:37:09] <ratrace> bad apache configs lead to execing anything with .php suffix, which only facilitated the attack
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1210 [15:38:29] <velix> I don't know why I container should have any standard tools in it.
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1213 [15:38:37] <velix> That's why I want to get rid off them ;)
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1215 [15:39:01] <velix> I think, dash cannot be uninstalled at all?
1216 [15:39:04] <EdePopede> i googled the string he posted, it was popular at that time. again. iirc it had peaked before last year.
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1218 [15:40:08] <EdePopede> kernel, shell, and then boot into it. and some libs and drivers. shouldn't this be enough just to get a blinking cursor?
1219 [15:40:24] <velix> EdePopede: A kernel in a container? God :D
1220 [15:40:37] * EdePopede never containered ;)
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1222 [15:41:08] <velix> Hell, that's insane: replaced-url
1223 [15:41:16] <miskatonic> the topic of #dash channel gives out a command to remove dash and use bash as /bin/sh
1224 [15:41:49] <velix> Oh, I thought Debian standard shell is dash?
1225 [15:41:57] <ratrace> velix: many, many people (ab)use containers as lightweight VMs
1226 [15:42:30] <ratrace> I prefer the other way around, debootstrap + AppArmor policy on what may or may not be used, and in what way.
1227 [15:42:42] <velix> replaced-url
1228 [15:42:46] <velix> "Debian uses Dash as the default non-interactive shell."
1229 [15:43:04] <ratrace> (though recently I rather to ultra-minimal gentoo chroots/containers on debian host, that's even lighter than debootstrap)
1230 [15:43:16] <ratrace> *do
1231 [15:43:30] <velix> ratrace: For interactivity (building, testing), I'm also using deboostrap + systemd-nspawn
1232 [15:43:56] <velix> ratrace: I just wanted to figure out (research, no production), if it's possible to get rid of all those useless stuff.
1233 [15:44:28] <velix> I think, Google did it with "distroless".
1234 [15:44:37] <velix> It's more insane than I thought. I'm trying it at the moment.
1235 [15:45:07] <ratrace> velix: it is, not using the package manager though
1236 [15:45:19] <ratrace> (on debian)
1237 [15:45:42] <velix> ratrace: Yeah. Maybe I cano find a tool somewhere. I mean I'm not the first one having this idea.
1238 [15:45:57] <miskatonic> I do use dash interactively, just not as login shell
1239 [15:46:00] <ratrace> too many things are deemed critical dependencies and thus must be present... otherwise, sure, all you need is glibc and some helper files for user management and dns
1240 [15:46:51] <velix> ratrace: I think, that's what Google did. Wow, only 5 approx. packages installed.
1241 [15:46:58] <ratrace> infact, I had a tool that did this on freebsd for jails. started with literally empty dir and libc, and added bins that are wanted, ldd'ed for abi dependencies
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1243 [15:47:42] <ratrace> velix: paxutils has tools to help with copying only what's needed (abi deps), and look into initramfs tools that also have functions that copy only minimal required files for execution, and kernel modules
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1246 [15:48:00] <velix> ratrace: Yeah, I remember this, too. But that's not the way I want to go. it was using "ldd" and stuff.
1247 [15:48:27] <velix> ratrace: Actually, I just need to wipe out all binaries or make them executable by root or no user at all.
1248 [15:48:43] <ratrace> velix: well that's the best wya to go. define what you need (eg. /bin/sometool) and then ldd recursively, plus config files
1249 [15:49:05] <ratrace> it's WAY better to build grounds up from an empty dir, than trying to cull down from, say, debootstrap'd environment. been there, done that
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1251 [15:49:36] <ratrace> I mean it's easier. build up until it starts to work, rather then delete until it stops working
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1253 [15:50:02] <velix> ratrace: If it would be easy, the container guys would do it ;)
1254 [15:50:07] <velix> If it were easy*
1255 [15:50:10] <velix> Sorry, not native.
1256 [15:51:22] <ratrace> but it is, I did it. I don't know why "container guys" aren't doing it
1257 [15:51:36] <ratrace> it is LITERALLY the same thing as building the initramfs
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1259 [15:52:13] <ratrace> but "container guys" are usually the same people that abuse containers as lightweight VMs (ie. want a to ssh into them!), so that's very moot point :)
1260 [15:52:25] <velix> ratrace: I don't want to be impolite, I'll be back in 5 minutes. I'm just trying out this Google stuff. Please way 5 minutes.
1261 [15:52:34] <ratrace> sure, np
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1264 [15:53:22] <velix> My god. I think they did what I want. "-sh: 3: ls: not found"
1265 [15:53:38] <velix> Debian10 with Python3: 68 MB unpacked :D
1266 [15:54:02] <velix> -sh: 1: dpkg: not found
1267 [15:54:09] <velix> apt not found ;)
1268 [15:54:11] <ratrace> velix: side note, I'm using gentoo for containers these days because its emerge package manager can work with a target directory and installs only minimum requirements there. I add the glibc package, and whatever else I need.
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1271 [15:54:40] <velix> ratrace: I'm using Alpine for containers, since creating packages in there is damn nice ;)
1272 [15:54:50] <ratrace> it won't pull in the shell or any bloat like that, unless I explicitly tell it to, or a pacage has a bug and pulls in something without being told via USE
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1274 [15:55:27] <velix> The container contains nothing: ls, find, top - nothing in there.
1275 [15:55:31] <ratrace> velix: to my dismay, my recent attempts to containerize a PHP app like that, forced me to install shell because PHP's mail() command spawns a SHELL (!!!) inside which it invokes /bin/sendmail
1276 [15:55:40] <ratrace> I insta-lacked enough palms to face
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1278 [15:56:03] <velix> cat, more. But it has `echo` and `>` of course.
1279 [15:56:20] <ratrace> velix: well that's a shell
1280 [15:56:30] <ratrace> *shell commands
1281 [15:56:43] <velix> ratrace: yeah. But I had to copy in "dash" to access it at all.
1282 [15:56:53] <velix> ratrace: When removing dash, you cannot connect to the container.
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1284 [15:57:01] <ratrace> velix: which kinda IS the purpose :)
1285 [15:57:03] <velix> and then echo is gone, too :)
1286 [15:57:17] <ratrace> "connect to the container" is the ABUSE I was talking about earlier. one should never need that
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1288 [15:57:42] <ratrace> you spawn a process in a namespace. that's ALL the container must do. and since it's a filesystem namespace (chroot kinda) too, then you need a directory with all the paths that the application will invoke.
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1290 [15:58:21] <velix> ratrace: I'm thinking it the other way around. An intruder, who uses an 0day remote execution and accesses the shell.
1291 [15:58:29] <velix> ratrace: When there's no shell, you cannot execut it.
1292 [15:58:33] <velix> ratrace: When there's no binary*, you cannot execut it.
1293 [15:58:47] <ratrace> velix: but you can execve, so your protection fails
1294 [15:59:48] <ratrace> basically you need W^X policy. where process can write, it MAY NOT execute from. where it may execute from, it MAY NOT write to.
1295 [16:00:00] <ratrace> shell is irrelevant here
1296 [16:00:05] <velix> execve ?
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1298 [16:00:32] <ratrace> velix: replaced-url
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1300 [16:01:09] <ratrace> like, it's a syscall. any threat actor with ability to RCE can exploit a number of syscalls to persist itself
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1303 [16:02:08] <velix> ratrace: Actually the container has highly limited capabilities.
1304 [16:02:36] <ratrace> velix: there's no CAP for that
1305 [16:02:46] <ratrace> ability to execute code is a container's primary function
1306 [16:03:26] <ratrace> you'd need selinux or seccomp to filter those out, or even apparmor
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1310 [16:04:09] <ratrace> but then that's highly theoretical. many programs spawn sub processes, so they wouldn't work at all in such ultra constrained environment
1311 [16:04:21] <velix> Okay, thanks for the information
1312 [16:04:25] * velix wrote it down
1313 [16:04:47] <ratrace> (especially older daemons that prefer privsep and spawn themselves into a number of processes, each with a specific role)
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1318 [16:08:59] <velix> Gnar... Google left pip in /venv/bin - I now can install stuff. But of course, you need to know where the venv directory is. This is just an example from them.
1319 [16:09:06] <velix> When you move it to a random folder, you're lost.
1320 [16:09:08] <ratrace> velix: I'd also recommend you to play with apparmor or selinux. write a few policies for some programs. you'd be surprised how many /bin/ stuffs programs need.
1321 [16:09:33] <ratrace> infact, by writing such policy you can then see which files are needed at minimum, to build your hardened containers from grounds up
1322 [16:09:33] <velix> ratrace: What's the default Debian uses? apparmors?
1323 [16:09:37] <velix> appamor**
1324 [16:09:37] <ratrace> yes
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1327 [16:10:40] <velix> Wow, I'm getting insane this container. It's like a darkroom restaurant.
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1329 [16:10:49] <velix> in this container*
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1332 [16:10:58] <miskatonic> apparmor is auto-installed in buster, not yet in stretch
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1334 [16:11:37] <alice2677> hello. i'm fresh(noob) debian user, just installed it yday, and i have a problem with installing nvidia graphic card driver. anyone has time to help me out?
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1338 [16:11:49] <ratrace> I prefer AppArmor and lately toying more with SELinux, instead of containers. At the end, to achieve what you want is exactly what you're getting with an AppArmor policy, for example. ALL DENIED until you explicitly state which path may be accessed in what way (read, write, exec, lock, ...)
1339 [16:11:54] <ratrace> velix: ^
1340 [16:12:16] <velix> ratrace: Okay, I really have to dig in this. Thanks.
1341 [16:12:31] <velix> I hope, AppArmor also works in containers without systemd and dbus?
1342 [16:12:47] <ratrace> alice2677: state your problem, be ready to pastebin logs and outputs, and someone might help
1343 [16:12:50] <ratrace> !pastebin
1344 [16:12:50] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
1345 [16:13:10] <ratrace> velix: it does, but resolves to absolute, host-side paths, not relative paths inside container (which is good!!)
1346 [16:13:28] <ratrace> so technically you apply AA profiles to containerized (namespaced really) processes from "the outside"
1347 [16:13:37] <velix> ratrace: Thanks, I'll google this
1348 [16:14:25] <ratrace> velix: one thing though, I don't know how it behaves with detached, namespaced bind mounts that aren't visible from the host. I never tried apparmoring those.
1349 [16:14:39] <alice2677> ok. i have followed instructions on replaced-url
1350 [16:15:21] <alice2677> then i had to start live from usb and delete all those extra files i created/edited to be able to start x again
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1352 [16:16:03] <velix> ratrace: Really thanks for your knowledge. Write it down somewhere!
1353 [16:16:15] <ratrace> alice2677: do you specifically need optimus? ability to use both GPUs interchangeably?
1354 [16:16:50] <alice2677> no i would very much like to disable intel completely and use only nvidia
1355 [16:17:12] <alice2677> but even after following only normal instructions for nvidia driver i still get the same issue
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1357 [16:17:29] <ratrace> alice2677: then you don't need any special setup. you define the "primary" GPU in bios, say nvidia, and just install the nvidia-driver package, if you want the proprietary driver (and not the open source'd nouveau that's default, and part of the kernel)
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1359 [16:18:11] <ratrace> alice2677: question is only if the current nvidia-driver in debian stable supports your GPU. I have GTX960 myself, and I know some GTX 10xx ones do work, but I don't know how "new or fresh" your GPU is
1360 [16:18:18] <alice2677> but the thing is as soon as nvidia-xconfig creates xorg.config i cant get back into debian gui anymore
1361 [16:18:21] <ratrace> ie. if it needs newer drivers or kernel
1362 [16:18:30] <alice2677> i tried with 390 driver first and then with 418 and got same issue
1363 [16:18:36] <ratrace> alice2677: you don't need xorg config at all, it's auto-detecting
1364 [16:18:46] <ratrace> (unless you need to force a specific xorg option)
1365 [16:19:50] <alice2677> ok, so i have now installed 418 driver, deleted the xorg.config. how can i see if the driver is active?
1366 [16:20:11] <ratrace> so I'd recommend you remove the /etc/X11/xorg.conf you created with nvidia-xconfig (or copy it elsewhere as backup), and try again. startx is special way of starting X these days, where it's recommended not to use it, but use one of login managers
1367 [16:20:28] <ratrace> alice2677: ideally reboot for a clean modprob'd slate
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1369 [16:20:44] <alice2677> yes i do normaly use login manager, just when it didnt want to show up i tried startx command to see whats going on
1370 [16:21:15] <ratrace> alice2677: as root?
1371 [16:21:27] <alice2677> no as user
1372 [16:21:34] <ratrace> eh well then you need to tell it to use the current vty. eg startx -- vty1
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1374 [16:21:46] <ratrace> or vt1 (without y), can't remember now
1375 [16:22:22] <ratrace> alice2677: but I'm not sure that's supported due to special permissions needed for audio, input and video /dev devices
1376 [16:22:24] <alice2677> after deleteing xorg.conf i managed to start debian normally, i just dont know if its now really actively using the nvidia driver or still intel
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1378 [16:22:41] <ratrace> alice2677: install mesa-utils and run glxinfo | grep renderer
1379 [16:22:50] <alice2677> and in bios i dont have any option to choose only nvidia gpu
1380 [16:23:24] <ratrace> alice2677: but then you know which port your monitor cable is plugged into, the nvidia thingy or on-board thingy
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1382 [16:24:16] <alice2677> this command shows only intel graphics. and like i mentioned earlier, its a laptop
1383 [16:24:25] <miskatonic> does X even start up if the wrong driver is selected?
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1385 [16:24:42] <ratrace> miskatonic: no
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1387 [16:24:59] <ratrace> it autodetects and uses best available, without a forced xorg.conf
1388 [16:25:17] <ratrace> "best" being... idk what, how it decides among multiple gpus available.
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1390 [16:25:38] <ratrace> alice2677: if there's no bios setup, I'm afraid that might require that optimus thingy. sorry, I missed where you mentioned that was laptop.
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1392 [16:26:13] <ratrace> my knowledge of setting up and using nvidia ends at plugging it into a decent desktop motherboard. laptops are... often way different.
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1394 [16:27:30] <alice2677> hmmm, ok... is there any other way i can then get the hdmi port to work?
1395 [16:29:33] <ratrace> alice2677: so that's a single hdmi port and you need a way to use nvidia, yeah I think that's the optimus thingy
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1398 [16:30:53] <ratrace> alice2677: maybe you can start with running nvidia-xconfig again, or reusing that X11 xorg.conf from earlier. when it fails to start xorg, alt-Fx into another tty and try to pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log as well as `dmesg`
1399 [16:31:05] <alice2677> yes but the instructions on wiki.debian about optimus thingy are not working. just mess everything up
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1402 [16:31:35] <ratrace> alice2677: let's take it step by step then, see why xorg fails with nvidia-defined xorg.conf
1403 [16:32:04] <alice2677> ok. will take pictures coz i dont know how to use tty in that extent
1404 [16:32:35] <alice2677> see you soon
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1410 [16:33:39] <no_gravity> Is there a more bare bones way to see disk activity then "%util" in iostat?
1411 [16:34:13] <ratrace> no_gravity: /proc/diskstats
1412 [16:34:44] <no_gravity> ratrace: Woopie doopie. What do I see there?
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1415 [16:35:15] <ratrace> no_gravity: replaced-url
1416 [16:35:51] <no_gravity> ratrace: Thanks
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1418 [16:36:40] <ratrace> no_gravity: that's as bare bones as it gets. but maybe you need something in beetween a single number and kernel structs dump, try iotop
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1420 [16:36:43] <ratrace> !iotop
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1423 [16:36:46] <ratrace> !info iotop
1424 [16:36:48] <dpkg> iotop: (simple top-like I/O monitor), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.6-24-g733f3f8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 100 kB
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1426 [16:37:52] <no_gravity> ratrace: Well, I am trying to figure out why my Raspberry PI is sluggish. One theory is that the SD card is busy doing wear levelling. I am not sure how to test that hypthesis.
1427 [16:38:15] <ratrace> no_gravity: using trim/discard on your filesystem?
1428 [16:38:46] <no_gravity> ratrace: I have no idea. It is a plain raspian installation.
1429 [16:39:02] <ratrace> trimming SSDs is very simple :) if it's not enabled and you have performance issues, try enabling it. if it IS enabled and you're having performance issues, try disabling it :)
1430 [16:39:16] <no_gravity> ratrace: How so?
1431 [16:39:39] <ratrace> buggy SSD firmware that messes things up with TRIM, or locks down until it's done
1432 [16:39:53] <no_gravity> I mean how to check if it is enabled/disabled.
1433 [16:40:08] <ratrace> and on SSDs that do behave ok, lack of trimming may cause performance issue due to erase block displacement
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1435 [16:40:28] <no_gravity> It's an *SD* card. Not sure if that counts as an SSD.
1436 [16:40:40] <ratrace> no_gravity: oh, check /etc/fstab or look up options on your rootfs (I assume) mountpoint with `mount | grep " on / "`
1437 [16:40:57] <ratrace> no_gravity: does it have a spinning rust disk? no? it's solid state :)
1438 [16:40:59] <no_gravity> ratrace: Ok, will do when it becomes responsive again.
1439 [16:42:06] <ratrace> also, sd cards are usually notoriously slow and of underwhelming performance. idk why raspberry would even try to use one for system disk
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1441 [16:42:35] <ratrace> I guess it's fine to boot off from, but for any typical linuxian randm rw i/o workload it's a big no-no
1442 [16:42:44] <ratrace> also:
1443 [16:42:47] <ratrace> !raspbian
1444 [16:42:47] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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1447 [16:43:02] <doubledutch> Thanks all
1448 [16:43:07] <doubledutch> Fixed it
1449 [16:43:13] <dvs> damn!
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1452 [16:45:21] <alice2677> so im back...got the pics from the log but dmesg couldnt coz it was a long list and i didnt know how to scroll up through it in tty
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1454 [16:45:33] <alice2677> where can i post the pictures?
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1456 [16:46:20] <ratrace> alice2677: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999 and post here the URL you get
1457 [16:47:02] <ratrace> assuming you've got networking... assuming you're here now on that laptop, so that's a yes :)
1458 [16:47:36] <alice2677> nc command not found
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1460 [16:47:59] <ratrace> alice2677: apt install netcat
1461 [16:48:31] <alice2677> replaced-url
1462 [16:49:08] <ratrace> alice2677: okay, now please the same but for /etc/X11/xorg.conf
1463 [16:49:31] <ratrace> I'm assuming that's the conf file that nvidia-xconfig created?
1464 [16:49:50] <alice2677> i had to delete xorg.conf to be able to come back
1465 [16:50:28] <alice2677> like i said, if i dont delete it i cant start the gui up again
1466 [16:50:51] <alice2677> i can send you pictures i took with my phone from tty when xorg.config was still there
1467 [16:51:00] <ratrace> alice2677: recreate it and pastebin it. I just wanna se why xorg thinks it wants "nv", and i'm guessing wrong xorg.conf
1468 [16:51:22] <ratrace> I mean you don't have to reboot with it. just pastebin what you're trying to use for xorg.conf
1469 [16:51:28] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys whats the password thing i need for nm-applet..
1470 [16:51:34] <Eryn_1983_FL> gnome-keyring or somesuch
1471 [16:51:40] <Eryn_1983_FL> it use to prompt me to unlock it,
1472 [16:51:42] <ratrace> alice2677: because from the output you posted, xorg log, the nvidia driver was found and loaded fine
1473 [16:51:47] <Eryn_1983_FL> now it does not seem to be,
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1475 [16:51:58] <ratrace> failed on "nv" which is iirc way, way, way older kind of nvidia driver from long time ago
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1477 [16:52:11] <alice2677> replaced-url
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1479 [16:53:01] <ratrace> alice2677: huh... also, wait. you pastebinned /var/log/Xorg.0.conf from your _current_, working xorg?
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1481 [16:53:29] <alice2677> yes
1482 [16:53:46] <alice2677> give me link where i can post pictures so i show you log from not working xorg
1483 [16:53:49] <ratrace> alice2677: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old then please
1484 [16:53:54] <ratrace> alice2677: imgur.com
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1486 [16:55:21] <alice2677> replaced-url
1487 [16:56:07] <ratrace> alice2677: fyi, you can post additional pics under the same "imgur post", so you only have to deal with one URL
1488 [16:56:14] <alice2677> replaced-url
1489 [16:56:30] <alice2677> the last link is log.old
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1491 [16:57:31] <ratrace> I guess it is, see the (EE) entries near the end
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1494 [16:59:15] <alice2677> yes i see but what can i do to fix that?
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1497 [17:00:00] <dD__> Stupid question: what happens if I have openmediavault (debian based) installed, and I use a live USB with debian, chroot and run an upgrade?
1498 [17:00:39] <ratrace> alice2677: I think the problem is that intel gpu is already active and enabled when xorg is trying to bind the nvidia device to Screen 0
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1501 [17:01:29] <ratrace> alice2677: blindly guessing here, maybe someone with more optimus knowledge might know better, but I'd start by comparing the xorg.conf in wiki and what nvidia-xconfig gave you, and add missing bits, eg. Inactive "intel" under ServerLayout, and maybe forcing the nvidia BusID
1502 [17:01:59] <ratrace> dD__: you should ask the OMV people, they would know what kind of changes they made
1503 [17:02:02] <ratrace> !based on debian
1504 [17:02:02] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
1505 [17:02:45] <alice2677> optimus instructions on wiki.debian does give instructions to change xorg.conf and xsession startup scripts, but it doesnt work either.
1506 [17:02:47] <ratrace> alice2677: also Option "AllowEmptyInitialConfiguration" under Screen
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1508 [17:03:30] <ratrace> alice2677: well the key is to pin-point what "doesn't work" really is
1509 [17:04:00] <ratrace> for starters, get the xorg using nvidia for ouput, and you can then tune it with ~/.xsessionrc if need be
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1511 [17:04:18] <alice2677> so should i make the optimus steps all over again and then post the pictures of the log?
1512 [17:04:20] <ratrace> xsessionrc won't matter unless xorg can start and get to the point of sourcing the session file
1513 [17:05:40] <ratrace> alice2677: no, I'd start by adding the options I mentioned above. Inactive "intel", BusID ... and AllowEmptyInitialConfiguration . you also don't have to post pics, you can cat | nc via termbin and jot down the URLs... also, consider installing irssi so you can irc through another TTY without the need to reboot
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1515 [17:06:02] <ratrace> you can test with startx until the error becomes about permissions, meaning the driver and screen are bound, and xorg is at the next phase
1516 [17:06:17] <ratrace> (or just start it as root, it does so anyway by default)
1517 [17:06:22] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys so my previous way of running systemctl reboot was do put gtk-sudo in front so i could prompt from gui for root password
1518 [17:06:44] <Eryn_1983_FL> i had all there in my dmenu, but not there is not gtk-sudo or gsudo etc..
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1520 [17:06:55] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: gsudo is long deprecated
1521 [17:07:00] <Eryn_1983_FL> so how should i be doing this..
1522 [17:07:15] <Eryn_1983_FL> i am running dwm, maybe add my user to a group to run systemctl reboot?
1523 [17:07:20] <ratrace> you don't need any.... systemctl reboot will do just fine as unpriv user if you have dbus available and default polkit policies (which you probably do if that's a desktop or a WM)
1524 [17:07:27] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: ^
1525 [17:07:30] <Eryn_1983_FL> dwm
1526 [17:07:42] <Eryn_1983_FL> not sure all that fancy stuff going on
1527 [17:07:57] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: easy to check, just run systemctl reboot as your user
1528 [17:08:02] <Eryn_1983_FL> systemctl
1529 [17:08:04] <Eryn_1983_FL> bash: /usr/bin/systemctl: Permission denied
1530 [17:08:05] <ratrace> see what error it gives..... or reboots
1531 [17:08:06] <alice2677> ok will try all that. not sure i'll manage all that stuff over tty though
1532 [17:08:34] <Eryn_1983_FL> its root:root
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1534 [17:09:14] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: by default, on Debian, systemctl can be exec'd by unpriv user
1535 [17:09:24] <ratrace> so you either don't have Debian there, or you messed it up real bad
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1537 [17:09:42] <Eryn_1983_FL> its pretty damn fresh install
1538 [17:09:55] <Eryn_1983_FL> i just ran my salt-stack on it, soo
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1540 [17:10:04] <Eryn_1983_FL> let me see if there some systemctl thingie going on
1541 [17:10:13] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: oh salt... doing what, systemctl bin should have +x (like, ugo+x)
1542 [17:10:28] <Eryn_1983_FL> -rwxrwx--- 1 root root 868696 Apr 27 13:02 /usr/bin/systemctl
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1544 [17:10:31] <crn__> nick crn
1545 [17:10:33] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: yea that's wrong
1546 [17:10:43] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: you have ug+x and you need ugo+x
1547 [17:10:53] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: and wtf w+g !
1548 [17:10:55] <Eryn_1983_FL> now maybe i dont want all users to run it..
1549 [17:10:59] <ratrace> messed up real bad, like I said :)
1550 [17:11:24] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: then write a polkit policy for that, don't mess up with systemctl perms
1551 [17:12:24] <Eryn_1983_FL> sure
1552 [17:12:30] <Eryn_1983_FL> ill learn something new :)
1553 [17:12:37] <Eryn_1983_FL> and then put that in salt..
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1556 [17:13:06] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: thing with systemd and dbus is that you can forget what you know about (unix) permissions
1557 [17:13:30] <ratrace> with dbus present, you can limit all you want, but someone with dbus access and a polkit policy to allow, will instrument your system behind your unix DAC back.
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1559 [17:14:02] <joepublic> CVE-2020-11651 and CVE-2020-11652.
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1561 [17:14:41] <ratrace> fixed already, innit?
1562 [17:15:08] <joepublic> it is. was rapidly, in fact.
1563 [17:15:59] <ratrace> yeah iirc debian had it the next day. nasty stuff, though.
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1566 [17:17:30] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok so..
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1568 [17:17:45] <Eryn_1983_FL> now that any user in the whole box can run systemctl..
1569 [17:17:50] <alice2677> so im over irssi now here
1570 [17:18:01] <Eryn_1983_FL> i need to write a polkit.
1571 [17:18:35] <alice2677> the start x still has screen not found error and the xorg.conf incomplete error
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1573 [17:19:52] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: systemctl must normally be available to users due to user services and namespaces that may be run.
1574 [17:20:07] <alice2677> replaced-url
1575 [17:22:35] <alice2677> btw this time didnt even get the stuck black screen when starting up, went automatically to tty
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1577 [17:24:25] <ratrace> alice2677: right, so that option then is wrong for your use case. can you pastebin the output of lspci | grep -E "VGA|3D"
1578 [17:24:41] <Eryn_1983_FL> rules.d/ i dont got this dir. can i make it
1579 [17:24:49] <Eryn_1983_FL> ls /etc/polkit-1/
1580 [17:24:51] <Eryn_1983_FL> localauthority localauthority.conf.d nullbackend.conf.d
1581 [17:26:04] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: yes, you can create the dir, /etc/polkit-1/rules.d/
1582 [17:26:14] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
1583 [17:26:33] <alice2677> can i somehow go over the text here to copy paste it? cant find the vertical line on my keyboard -.-
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1587 [17:28:51] <ratrace> alice2677: lspci | grep -E "VGA|3D" | nc termbin.com 9999
1588 [17:30:04] <alice2677> but how can i select text here in tty so i can copy paste the command? sorry im stupid. i tried everything and this vertical line is nowhere on my keyboard layout
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1590 [17:31:06] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: btw.... grepping through some docs on this, maybe you won't need a polkit rule at all. apparently, the default is to allow "admin" which is defined by member of the "wheel" group
1591 [17:31:08] <EdePopede> you should be able to use the mouse, just by dragging. maybe also pressing Shift
1592 [17:31:43] <EdePopede> insert with midclick or even shift+ins. but may also depend on the terminal you use.
1593 [17:31:46] <ratrace> copy & paste don't exist in tty I think. mouse neither unless something something gpm
1594 [17:31:58] <EdePopede> ah, tty. hmkay.
1595 [17:32:09] <alice2677> replaced-url
1596 [17:32:14] <ratrace> those are really xorg terms... primary and secondary selection as well as "clipboard" (the traditional Ctrl+C|V)
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1598 [17:32:55] <Eryn_1983_FL> ohh
1599 [17:33:11] <Eryn_1983_FL> sweet ratrace ty
1600 [17:33:14] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: yes, by default polkit policies, I mean. so you won't need to override, just don't add unpriv users to wheel
1601 [17:33:23] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: careful tho, no wheel, no su !
1602 [17:33:26] <EdePopede> though i've seen a mouse cursor not too long ago, may have been on the other machine, and i remembered that there used to be exclusive use of either X mouse or erm... tty mouse, something with G iirc
1603 [17:33:36] <EdePopede> gpm?
1604 [17:33:52] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: I'm not 100% sure on this, so test it, if non-wheel members can exec systemctl reboot without a password prompt
1605 [17:34:24] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
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1608 [17:35:23] <velix> ratrace: The Debian wiki really s***cks: replaced-url
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1610 [17:35:56] <oxek> How do I change the login screen wallpaper in lightdm (debian xfce default)?
1611 [17:35:59] <ratrace> velix: yeah, AA is badly documented anywhere. even upstream is totally lacking :: replaced-url
1612 [17:36:17] <velix> ratrace: Can you recommend a book?
1613 [17:36:27] <ratrace> velix: there's isn't any afaik
1614 [17:37:07] <velix> Okay, so it's learning by doing / learning by trial and error?
1615 [17:37:09] <ratrace> AA is SELinux' ugly cousin. the unwanted child. canonical is the upstream. but even so it's good enough for simple MAC rulesets and not really complicated at all once you learn it
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1618 [17:37:57] <ratrace> velix: there's the official wiki + yes, trial and error + existing policy examples you can learn from (eg. those in the package apparmor-profiles and -profiles-extra)
1619 [17:38:25] <velix> I remember AuFS and OverlayFS in the past... one of it died.
1620 [17:38:39] <velix> Or HD-DVD and BluRay
1621 [17:38:50] <ratrace> oxek: if I'm not mistaken, background= of /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf
1622 [17:39:19] <alice2677> so i dont have much time left so i guess i'll try asking for help with this issue on some forum.can you recommend some?
1623 [17:39:37] <ratrace> velix: AA is actually picking up in use, but very slowly. Debian enabled it by default only with Buster, but probably to make it simpler for Ubuntu devs that actively rely on it. Ubuntu is AA upstream, btw.
1624 [17:40:25] <velix> Interesting. Most of the files in /etc/apparmor.d/* are empty. So AA is activated, but not configured.
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1626 [17:40:36] <velix> Yeah
1627 [17:40:46] <ratrace> velix: you need apparmor-profiles package
1628 [17:40:51] <velix> I've installed it.
1629 [17:41:03] <velix> Ah, it did /usr/share/apparmor/extra-profiles
1630 [17:41:14] <velix> pff...
1631 [17:41:16] <alice2677> thanks. have a nice evening.bye
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1633 [17:41:46] <ratrace> velix: it does install some into /etc/apparmor.d/ too btw, that it does NOT install many is a good thing. I find the official upstram policies terribad, I wrote almost all of my own
1634 [17:41:53] <velix> Copyright (C) 2002-2005 Novell/SUSE :D
1635 [17:42:11] <velix> It only took 15 years to get into Debian ;)
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1637 [17:42:29] <ratrace> AA originated there I think yes, but Ubuntu is now the upstream afaik
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1639 [17:42:46] <ratrace> velix: it was available even before buster, just not enabled by default
1640 [17:43:03] <velix> okay, I'l play with it.
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1648 [17:48:21] <velix> ratrace: Ah, there's a profile for TOR, which is already in use.
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1650 [17:48:44] <velix> ratrace: So, when I make it read the config from another directory than /etc/ it AA should trow an error?
1651 [17:49:44] <velix> or even easier: set the config to write the log anywhere else.
1652 [17:49:58] <Eryn_1983_FL> ratrace: so i checked and i got no wheel group and unpriv users can reboot
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1655 [17:53:46] <oxek> ratrace: it worked, thanks!
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1657 [17:55:10] <velix> ratrace: Yipee: apparmor="DENIED"
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1671 [18:07:19] <velix> Wow, it's really about impossible to work with this "super crazy mini debian". I've tried to get dpkg working, but I'm getting hundret warnings, since rm, tar, diff and others are missing :D
1672 [18:07:26] <velix> This will drive an intruder crazy.
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1675 [18:09:29] <SerajewelKS> i've been writing random data over an external hard drive in preparation to create a luks container on it. i did this by opening a plain crypt volume with a random key, and dd'ing /dev/zero over the crypt container.
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1677 [18:10:13] <SerajewelKS> the drive is 1.9TB. writing has stopped at 891GB and i haven't seen any progress for over an hour. nothing suspicious in dmesg. there is a process in top "usb-storage" that is using 100% CPU in R state.
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1680 [18:10:39] <SerajewelKS> i can't really find anything about this particular issue. no idea if it's a drive issue or a kernel issue.
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1686 [18:12:48] <ratrace> velix: those are rather conflicting demands... most minimal container and yet you want to "connect in" and use dpkg!
1687 [18:13:10] <ratrace> velix: btw, dpkg can be used from outside a chroot dir, with an option to set the chroot to work within
1688 [18:13:27] <velix> ratrace: Yeah, but doesn't dpkg chroot into the chroot before?
1689 [18:13:37] <velix> ratrace: or does it work from outside?
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1693 [18:14:14] <ratrace> velix: works from outside, but I don't know what all files it wants to have within the chroot
1694 [18:14:20] <ratrace> but again.... this is all pointless :)
1695 [18:14:22] <velix> ratrace: I'll try this out for you :)
1696 [18:14:29] <velix> ratrace: I know, but I'm just curious.
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1700 [18:17:50] <oxek> funny, this exists in debian xfce by default /usr/share/themes/ZOMG-PONIES!/
1701 [18:18:07] <klaas> anyone got an idea why a single curl won't go above 100mbit/s even when outputing to /dev/null? I can run multiple curls and reach 500mbit/s total but the single connection doesn't want to go above 100mbit/s
1702 [18:18:11] <velix> ratrace: it worked :D
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1708 [18:25:55] <cha18> SerajewelKS: you can make dd output it's status by sending it a signal: `pkill -USR1 -x dd`
1709 [18:27:09] <cha18> sometimes there's write indicator lights on the SSD or the usb->hdd cable you are using, might indicate whether something is happening vs not
1710 [18:27:55] <SerajewelKS> cha18: i ran with status=progress (that's how i know it's not writing any new data)
1711 [18:28:01] <cha18> you could also check `dmesg` for errors. `dmesg | grep "sd*"` would hopefully show anything drive related.
1712 [18:28:19] <SerajewelKS> i covered that too ("nothing suspicious in dmesg.")
1713 [18:28:50] <SerajewelKS> i ran smartctl against the drive and it's not responding. guess the drive itself is stuck. will have to try replugging it. i've just never seen usb-storage consume 100% CPU when this happens before.
1714 [18:29:02] <cha18> I see that now. I would try the pkill before unplugging and see if it returns anything
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1721 [18:30:25] <SerajewelKS> dd doesn't respond to USR1. can't kill the smartctl process either.
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1723 [18:30:53] <SerajewelKS> none of them respond to SIGKILL which is a sure sign of stuck I/O ;?
1724 [18:30:56] <SerajewelKS> :/ *
1725 [18:31:23] <SerajewelKS> the 100% CPU of usb-storage is what's really weird to me
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1727 [18:32:10] <cha18> Sounds not good. :( I agree, is it possible to have the drive fail during your writing? Maybe check S.M.A.R.T for health of the drive
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1734 [18:35:43] <velix> ratrace: So `execve` is the really bad guy in your eyes?
1735 [18:36:32] <ratrace> padhu: ask in #ubuntu
1736 [18:36:50] <floogy> Hi, I cannot connect to replaced-url
1737 [18:36:57] <ratrace> velix: no, I didn't say that. I only meant removing shell is pointless as there's other ways to execute code
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1739 [18:37:53] <padhu> ratrace: asked. Waiting for reply.
1740 [18:38:13] <ratrace> padhu: shouldn't really crosspost either.
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1742 [18:38:45] <petn-randall> floogy: Can you connect to any other site?
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1744 [18:39:33] <velix> ratrace: But removing shell and all the standard tools make it much harder for an intruder to act badly, do you agree?
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1746 [18:40:08] <floogy> Yes the example shows the ping to google.de
1747 [18:40:31] <ratrace> velix: yes, definitely. the primary purpose is to reduce attack surface. eg, a bug in suid ping (which used to be suid before the fcaps) could be exploited to elevate privilege, if /bin/ping is available.
1748 [18:40:37] <padhu> ratrace: okey. But I need Linux compactable and conformed one.
1749 [18:41:11] <ratrace> padhu: you should really ask in Ubuntu. Ubuntu does additional Ubuntu-only kernel drivers for hardware enablement. only ubuntu devs and users can answer your ubuntu questions.
1750 [18:41:14] <ratrace> !based on debian
1751 [18:41:14] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
1752 [18:41:17] <EdePopede> have a suid program open a shell
1753 [18:41:27] <petn-randall> floogy: Oh, just saw your paste. Seems as though you only have routing for IPv6 working?
1754 [18:41:32] <floogy> ~# LANG=en wget --spider replaced-url
1755 [18:41:50] <velix> ratrace: AA seems to work here. But it needs knowledge about the tool. Where it reads, where it writes ec.
1756 [18:42:25] <petn-randall> floogy: Try `ping 8.8.8.8`, if that doesn't work, I'm guessing you don't have IPv4 routing set up.
1757 [18:42:40] <ratrace> velix: there are AA tools to help with that, eg. aa-genprof. it creates an empty profile for a binary in "complain" mode and logs access violations that it then interactively turns into rules
1758 [18:42:44] <floogy> petn-randall, Something like that might be the case. But I think only ipv4?
1759 [18:42:54] <ratrace> velix: same as audit2allow for selinux, if you're familiar with that
1760 [18:43:03] <petn-randall> floogy: You can also verify it by running `ip route` and checking if a default route is set.
1761 [18:43:12] <velix> ratrace: I'm not, but I'll read into aa-genprof. Thanks.
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1763 [18:43:26] <padhu> ratrace: but I am using debian 10 32bit
1764 [18:43:31] <ratrace> velix: parses /var/log/audit/audit.log, or syslog, check the manpages for options too
1765 [18:43:39] <ratrace> padhu: then why ask about ubuntu
1766 [18:43:43] <velix> ratrace: That actually sounds a bit like firejail ;)
1767 [18:44:07] <floogy> petn-randall, hm, seems you're right.
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1769 [18:45:12] <padhu> ratrace: I am asking all debian and it's derivatives.
1770 [18:45:13] <floogy> petn-randall, replaced-url
1771 [18:45:35] <ratrace> velix: it's similar. firejail and containers work with namespaces which is basically chroots on steroids. AA and selinux are MAC, "Mandatory Access Control" which work at syscall level
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1774 [18:45:43] <ratrace> padhu: read again the factoid about that:
1775 [18:45:45] <ratrace> !based on debian
1776 [18:45:45] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
1777 [18:45:54] <floogy> Maybe it's blocked in my avm fritz.box router?
1778 [18:46:10] <petn-randall> padhu: Please don't, this is a huge waste of everyone's time.
1779 [18:46:30] <petn-randall> padhu: If you want to know if something generally works on Linux, ask ##linux.
1780 [18:46:43] <ratrace> velix: I prefer MACs, because containers/namespaces are blanket "chroots", where even inside a container certain access can be modified by a MAC
1781 [18:46:59] <velix> ratrace: ok
1782 [18:47:08] <ratrace> velix: for example, your app needs to READ your containers /etc/shadow but MAY NOT under any circumstance modify it. you need a MAC for that
1783 [18:47:31] <ratrace> because the file is already inside the container, and is needed, but "needed" doesn't specify in what way. A MAC policy does.
1784 [18:47:31] <petn-randall> floogy: Yes, that's default gateway looks wrong. I'd check with the virtualbox host how the network is set up.
1785 [18:47:41] <velix> ratrace: Actually, I'd use chattr or chmod/chown on this? ;)
1786 [18:47:41] <petn-randall> *that
1787 [18:47:54] <ratrace> velix: and what if your process somehow elevates privilege?
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1789 [18:48:04] <ratrace> velix: see with MAC, "root" doesn't exist, and MACs don't care if you're root or not.
1790 [18:48:23] <floogy> petn-randall, I got a bridged setup
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1792 [18:48:33] <ratrace> velix: it only cares if subject (eg. process) in certain context (eg. policy profile) may access an object (eg. a file, or socket) and in what way (read, write, exec, ...)
1793 [18:48:50] <floogy> since yesterday. So it might be the culprit
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1795 [18:49:00] <velix> ratrace: I think, if it elevates privilege, I'm doomed at all - can't he just change the profile then?
1796 [18:49:06] <ratrace> velix: nope
1797 [18:49:13] <padhu> petn-randall: It's not waste of time. I am unable make trail with all printers.
1798 [18:49:26] <ratrace> velix: I mean.... unless there's a bug in the kernel or apparmor module itself, of course, but being just "root" doesn't mean anything
1799 [18:49:47] <ratrace> that's the beauty of Mandatory Access Control, versus Disctretionary Access Control, ie. unix permissions
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1801 [18:51:02] <ratrace> *Discretionary or *Discreete, depending whom you ask
1802 [18:51:09] <velix> ok
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1808 [18:51:56] <petn-randall> padhu: It is wasting *our* time, and still considered bad netiquette. Please make yourself acquainted with common netiquette before asking such further questions.
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1811 [18:54:07] <padhu> petn-randall: wasting your time? :-(
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1823 [19:02:28] <floogy> petn-randall, some config and tests replaced-url
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1826 [19:03:18] <petn-randall> !crosspost
1827 [19:03:18] <dpkg> Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
1828 [19:03:25] <petn-randall> padhu: yes, please read this. ^
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1831 [19:03:56] <floogy> petn-randall, ipv6 route replaced-url
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1835 [19:04:46] <padhu> petn-randall: not in this case
1836 [19:04:48] <petn-randall> floogy: AFAICS your ipv6 route is all good, it's the ipv4 routing that's broken. You need to figure out why.
1837 [19:04:54] <petn-randall> padhu: How so?
1838 [19:06:08] <dD__> I'm trying to run smartctl on an Kingston SSD with a live usb, but get an error saying that the disk is not in the smartctl database even though it is. I tried running update-smart-drivedb but the command is not found (and I'm unsure if it even matters). I ran the test anyway and it was completed without error, even though I'm getting input output errors from the SSD. Is there a way to update
1839 [19:06:10] <dD__> the database? And is there an additional check I should be running to check the SSD?
1840 [19:06:26] <padhu> petn-randall: not solved yet. However I stop this conversation here.
1841 [19:06:27] <petn-randall> floogy: If you set up the network via DHCP, then your DHCP server on the network is giving out a broken gateway address.
1842 [19:06:59] <petn-randall> padhu: Read the factoid again. It says nothing about being solved or not.
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1847 [19:09:48] <padhu> petn-randall: Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved.
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1849 [19:10:19] <SerajewelKS> cha18: btw i had smartctl running and that was hanging too. replugging the drive fixed the problem. guessing these drives aren't build to handle writing the entire surface in one go. it seems like the controller threw a fit... the drive doesn't seem to be malfunctioning after replugging.
1850 [19:10:51] <SerajewelKS> not the first time i've had a USB drive controller act weird during extensive writing
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1852 [19:11:17] <SerajewelKS> oh. fun. now it's doing exactly the same thing at exactly the same position.
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1854 [19:11:48] <floogy> petn-randall, some config and tests replaced-url
1855 [19:13:06] <floogy> maybe the line "iface dhcp inet dhcp" in interfaces is wrong then?
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1857 [19:13:59] <SerajewelKS> very odd that the controller just stops responding instead of returning an I/O error
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1859 [19:14:41] <padhu> petn-randall: bye
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1864 [19:16:43] <floogy> Is there an ncurses program to configure the network? dpkg-reconfigure?
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1866 [19:17:39] <sney> wicd has a curses frontend
1867 [19:17:44] <sney> ,info wicd-curses
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1869 [19:17:46] <judd> Package wicd-curses (net, optional) in buster/amd64: wired and wireless network manager - Curses client. Version: 1.7.4+tb2-6; Size: 51.6k; Installed: 175k; Homepage: replaced-url
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1871 [19:19:21] <petn-randall> floogy: line 55 is the problematic one. The gateway is set to 0.0.0.0. You need to figure out why this is getting set up.
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1875 [19:21:08] <floogy> I cannot figure out wheere it comes from
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1881 [19:23:17] <petn-randall> floogy: How are you setting up enp0s3 on the stretch guest?
1882 [19:23:31] <SerajewelKS> interesting, the USB hang doesn't happen when writing to the device directly instead of through the crypt wrapper
1883 [19:23:55] <petn-randall> floogy: Ah, you're using ifupdown.
1884 [19:24:23] <petn-randall> floogy: Well, your paste shows the problematic line 101. You're setting up the problematic route by hand!
1885 [19:25:04] <petn-randall> floogy: `route add default dev enp0s3` will set up the broken routing you're seeing. Try removing that line.
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1934 [20:13:39] <floogy> petn-randall, Thx. It works! I commented out `route add default dev enp0s3`
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1938 [20:16:21] <cha18> SerajewelKS: congratulations on not having to replace a drive
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1940 [20:17:46] <heller_> hey guys
1941 [20:18:04] <heller_> i want to monitor some logs with zabbix. the logs are located at /home/backups/logs/pc1.log etc
1942 [20:19:16] <heller_> i've added zabbix to group logs and changed the /home/backups/logs group and *.log to 'logs'
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1945 [20:20:12] <heller_> i'm kinda lost here on how does the permissions and folder tree work
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1962 [20:30:15] <joepublic> heller_, what you describe sounds like it should be enough to read the logs
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2012 [21:09:40] <heller_> joepublic: mmm but does not work
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2020 [21:13:09] <heller_> replaced-url
2021 [21:13:13] <heller_> does that look correct?
2022 [21:13:42] <heller_> the /home/backup is only for root
2023 [21:13:53] <heller_> does the whole path need to have permissions?
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2032 [21:19:58] <quadrathoch2> heller_, what are you trying to accomplish?
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2046 [21:29:49] <heller_> i want a user in group "logs" to read files in folder /home/backup/logs/
2047 [21:31:10] <uplime> hi! I just installed debian as a virtual machine (vmware) with two interfaces: ens33 (bridged) and ens38 (private to the host). I can enable one or the other, but not both in network manager. if I try to run `ip link set ens33 up` (when ens38 is the active one), it doesn't print any error messages, but the interface doesn't come up. Is there some way to enable both at the same time?
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2052 [21:33:14] <quadrathoch2> heller_, you would need permission to read the contents of the backup folder before you can read logs
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2056 [21:34:57] <heller_> also to point out that the backup is a symlink to another folder
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2059 [21:36:10] <quadrathoch2> heller_, shouldn't matter, but as long as the user can't know what's inside the directory, he can't enter the directory below it
2060 [21:36:26] <heller_> what if he knows the full path?
2061 [21:36:37] <heller_> i even dont need to ls the file, i just need to read certain log files from it
2062 [21:36:57] <quadrathoch2> uplime, it should be possible, I do it all the time (not with vmware though). can you see if both network devices are configured in the interfaces file?
2063 [21:37:11] <uplime> yeah, where is the interfaces file?
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2065 [21:37:24] <quadrathoch2> uplime, /etc/network/interfaces
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2068 [21:38:33] <uplime> quadrathoch2: doesn't look like it: replaced-url
2069 [21:39:52] <quadrathoch2> huh, weird, as debian uses ifupdown to configure the network devices. I assume the vm is just installed fresh?
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2071 [21:39:58] <uplime> yeah
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2073 [21:40:12] <uplime> oh, forgot to mention, i added ens38 after the fact
2074 [21:40:33] <uplime> (so install, then shutdown, then realized i needed another interface, then added ens38(
2075 [21:40:44] <quadrathoch2> that shouldn't matter too much
2076 [21:40:49] <uplime> ok cool
2077 [21:40:58] <quadrathoch2> does ip a find all devices?
2078 [21:41:08] <uplime> i also tried using ifup before ip link, but it couldn't find the interface
2079 [21:41:12] <uplime> yeah, ip a shows all devices
2080 [21:41:28] <quadrathoch2> probably one of them is not configured? (as in no ip?)
2081 [21:41:37] <uplime> yeah, currently ens33
2082 [21:42:11] <quadrathoch2> let me just hook up a vm quickly
2083 [21:42:15] <uplime> sure
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2086 [21:43:51] <quadrathoch2> could you both configure them with replaced-url
2087 [21:43:57] <quadrathoch2> in the interfaces file
2088 [21:43:57] <petn-randall> uplime: You can either use network-manager *or* ifupdown to configure your interfaces. You need to pick one. Also, `ip link` is a low-level diagnostic tool, so `ip link set ens33 up` will just set the link status to active, without configuring it in any way.
2089 [21:44:09] <uplime> i see
2090 [21:44:16] <uplime> im fine using ifupdown then
2091 [21:44:23] <quadrathoch2> oh networkmanager is installed :/ kk that changes it a little
2092 [21:44:39] <uplime> yeah, i installed cinnamon as a DE, but i intend to primarily use it for server stuff
2093 [21:44:45] <uplime> the DE is just to play around with
2094 [21:44:45] <petn-randall> uplime: If you configure the interface via ifupdown, n-m will detect this and leave it alone.
2095 [21:45:01] <uplime> ok cool, that's good to know
2096 [21:45:13] <petn-randall> uplime: Either way works fine. ifupdown is simpler, but n-m works a lot better in dynamic environments.
2097 [21:45:19] <uplime> enp1s0 should be changed to both of the interfaces right?
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2099 [21:45:43] <petn-randall> uplime: yes
2100 [21:46:40] <uplime> \o/ that worked
2101 [21:46:56] <uplime> thanks petn-randall, quadrathoch2
2102 [21:47:18] <quadrathoch2> uplime, no problem :)
2103 [21:47:20] <heller_> so is +x to use ls on the folder?
2104 [21:47:43] <heller_> so rwxr-xr-x mean anyone can ls?
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2110 [21:51:26] <heller_> so rwxr-xr-x mean anyone can ls?ah, chmod 750 was the correct one
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2117 [21:52:36] <quadrathoch2> heller_, yeah you probably want to also read the contents of the directory not only enter it ;)
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2125 [22:01:43] <dijong> hi, i'm having a weird network issue where i can ping 8.8.8.8 (google's IP) fine, but when i ping google.com i get "ping: connect: Network is unreachable". my /etc/resolv.conf reads "nameserver 8.8.8.8" and other DNS lookups seem to work, only google's doesn't. how can i debug or fix this?
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2129 [22:04:22] <quadrathoch2> dijong, did you verify with another nameserver if you still have the same issue?
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2132 [22:06:00] <dijong> quadrathoch2: yes, it happens also with my router's nameserver at 192.168.1.1 and with Rackspace's nameservers in my /etc/resolv.conf, it also is happening on every computer in my network right now
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2135 [22:07:20] <quadrathoch2> dijong, so could it be an issue with google?
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2137 [22:07:33] <quadrathoch2> or are you talking about can't pinging every single domain?
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2143 [22:10:50] <dijong> quadrathoch2: i don't think it's an issue with google because i can curl 172.217.12.132 (ip for replaced-url
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2148 [22:12:10] <quadrathoch2> dijong, did you already look in the logs what happens if you curl/ping google?
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2153 [22:13:09] <dijong> quadrathoch2: which logs? dmesg? dmesg doesn't seem to have anything related
2154 [22:13:41] <quadrathoch2> so it happens at nameserver lvl hm
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2159 [22:14:55] <dijong> yes i think it's a router problem but it's very odd especially considering i thought i'm overriding my router's dns with my resolv.conf? if i connect via proxy then google.com works oddly enough but not without the proxy
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2164 [22:16:01] <quadrathoch2> well so it seems your isp has issues, cause I'm sure that the router is just redirecting to the isp nameserver
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2170 [22:17:32] <quadrathoch2> maybe they are even intercepting the 8.8.8.8 nameserver? dijong idk
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2187 [22:23:17] <dijong> quadrathoch2: yes, i think it's an isp issue that i've been having for a while now. i called my isp and they weren't able to fix it though. i guess i'll have to just continue to use a dns proxy, hm
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2191 [22:24:39] <quadrathoch2> dijong, oh man, hope that they fix it at some point. If even a ISP has issues fixing something like that :/
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2194 [22:25:10] <dijong> i don't think it has to do with 8.8.8.8 nameserver because i do get the same with any other (working) nameserver in resolv.conf, it seems like they're just taking all the packets with google.com in them and throwing them out? going to look into this more
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2196 [22:26:06] <quadrathoch2> dijong, hm, I think they just intercept every single nameserver to redirect it to their own nameserver, and because they have issues with their own one, you have those problems *shrug*
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2198 [22:26:36] <dijong> quadrathoch2: oh, that's very annoying, i didn't even know that was possible
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2200 [22:27:13] <quadrathoch2> dijong, same thing how you can redirect every single dns query to your own one ;) to circumvent google getting all the data from android devices ^^
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2217 [22:34:10] <uplime> quadrathoch2: so, the setup works, except for one thing - when i reboot the system, it uses the dns servers from ens33 (which is what im after), but after a while, /etc/resolv.conf gets overwritten with dns servers from ens38 (the interface to the private host, which can't actually resolve anything). is there anyway in the interfaces file to tell it which interface to get dns servers from?
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2219 [22:35:08] <quadrathoch2> uplime, if I remember correctly it should be in /etc/resolve.conf
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2223 [22:37:15] <uplime> I don't have a resolve.conf but `apropros resolve` lists a /etc/systemd/resolved.conf would that work?
2224 [22:38:12] <quadrathoch2> uplime, idk right now if debian uses systemd to resolve stuff. :/ maybe another one can jump into this issue :/
2225 [22:38:31] <uplime> ok
2226 [22:38:58] <uplime> i wonder if making ens38 static and then setting up ens33 over DHCP would do it
2227 [22:39:07] <SerajewelKS> if i open a plain crypt container in front of a block device, will the crypt subsystem ever ask the drive to do the encyrption?
2228 [22:39:11] <SerajewelKS> encryption*
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2230 [22:40:04] <SerajewelKS> i'm trying to figure out why writing zeroes over a specific location in a crypt volume would cause the USB drive to hang and stop responding to any commands, while writing urandom over it does not have the same problem
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2232 [22:41:04] <SerajewelKS> writing urandom also perform significantly faster (~20MB/s vs ~10MB/s with a crypt layer)
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2240 [22:46:30] <karlpinc> SerajewelKS: /dev/zero is a character device (iirc). Flash reads and writes blocks, and in order to write it has to re-write a bunch of other blocks. Often for flash there's a ram cache for writes and when its full things really slow down. I suspect that all of this is somehow involved.
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2248 [22:51:46] <Aurora_v_kosmose> Wouldn't moreutils conflict with since they both use path /usr/bin/parallel?
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2250 [22:51:54] <Aurora_v_kosmose> *conflict with parallel
2251 [22:52:09] <SerajewelKS> karlpinc: the drive is not a flash drive
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2253 [22:52:43] <SerajewelKS> karlpinc: regardless, i am using a block size of 1M with dd, which is a multiple of 4096
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2255 [22:54:03] <n_1-c_k> Aurora_v_kosmose, maybe the 'alternatives' system chooses one of them?
2256 [22:54:52] <Aurora_v_kosmose> Hm, Possible.
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2258 [22:55:23] <Aurora_v_kosmose> Guess I'll look for that & try later
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2260 [22:55:35] <SerajewelKS> karlpinc: but i really doubt it's some cache. the drive entirely stops responding (smartctl doesn't even work) and it got stuck like this for over an hour. but _only_ when there is a crypt layer in front.
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