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• 9[00:06:37] <JYPDWhite> it's a server I dont want to install a gui there ;-) I really thought there must be some easy cli way to get a list :D
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• 13[00:08:24] <coruja> JYPDWhite, try 'apt list --installed | grep /now' which will list all packages without candidates from official repos
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• 15[00:10:02] <coruja> better s/official/active
• 16[00:11:09] <jmcnaught> JYPDWhite: aptitude search '~i!~Odebian' <--- should list installed packages not from Debian. Or "aptitude ~o" to search for installed packages that cannot be downloaded from any repo.
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• 18[00:11:44] <jmcnaught> JYPDWhite: there's a search reference here: replaced-url
• 19[00:12:18] <JYPDWhite> thanks jmcnaught thats promising.
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• 22[00:13:13] <JYPDWhite> cu all
• 23[00:13:14] <jmcnaught> !which repo
• 24[00:13:15] <dpkg> To see what repository a package may have come from, try replaced-url
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• 27[00:13:46] <annadane> that is one intimidating command
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• 30[00:15:32] <JYPDWhite> yes thats exactly what I was looking for :-=
• 31[00:16:11] <jmcnaught> I had to check my notes to remember that factoid.
• 32[00:16:50] <JYPDWhite> okay thanks all for your help and now I wish you all a good night :-)
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• 35[00:17:49] <annadane> i wonder if i'll ever get the hang of globs/regex :P
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• 39[00:25:22] <efloid> i'm spending the afternoon reviewing text-based web browsers. main takeaways so far: elinks is ancient and out-of-date, lynx is pretty much constantly maintained, and links is fairly well-maintained. oh, and aview is like 20 years out-of-date
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• 43[00:26:45] <efloid> there's also surfraw which is now a couple years not maintained
• 44[00:29:08] <mesaboogie> links and lynx are the two I opt for as well
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• 46[00:29:27] <efloid> w3m is likewise way out of date. nothing makes you feel the 90's like a sourceforge project page ;-)
• 47[00:29:34] <mesaboogie> lol
• 48[00:30:42] <efloid> links also has the links2 variant which features graphics
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• 78[01:02:51] <aaro> efloid: try browsh
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• 82[01:04:20] <ectospasm> I use elinks in mutt all the time
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• 88[01:08:19] <efloid> aaro: thanks
• 89[01:08:40] <efloid> ectospasm: elinks last release: 2012.10.30
• 90[01:09:03] <ectospasm> efloid: still works for my purpose.
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• 93[01:09:28] <ectospasm> Not sure if I can simply replace it with lynx or links.
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• 95[01:09:46] <ectospasm> elinks lets me read HTML email in mutt with a modicum of sanity.
• 96[01:10:07] <efloid> in my review so far, lynx really seems the best. in lynx open the options with 'o' and you'll see how much it has
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• 105[01:21:46] <ectospasm> efloid: I use the -dump option in elinks to view HTML email. It has a nice feature that it counts all the links and provides them in full at the bottom of the dump. links doesn't do that, but lynx does.
• 106[01:22:21] <ectospasm> lynx seems to expand some of the links in the body with gobbledygook
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• 111[01:30:11] <brokencycle> Hi! I am trying to gpg --import a key from a keyserver, but gpg tells me 'no route to host'. However, I can ping two of the three hosts in question.
• 112[01:30:28] <brokencycle> Any idea on how to debug this, please?
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• 114[01:32:16] <efloid> ectospasm: /me takes notes
• 115[01:34:30] <ectospasm> Ahh, I see. The gobbledygook is part of the link, but they're not the href.
• 116[01:36:16] <ectospasm> brokencycle: it could be that those hosts aren't listening for GPG requests. You'd expect connection refused, or timeout, but sometimes it manifests as no route to host.
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• 118[01:37:11] <efloid> wow browsh .deb depends on firefox :-(
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• 121[01:41:32] <aaro> efloid: yeah browsh is basically a way to browse through firefox using your terminal as the frontend
• 122[01:44:23] <efloid> ectospasm: let us know if you get it working
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• 124[01:45:00] <ectospasm> efloid: Oh, it's working, it just shows information that I'm going to ignore.
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• 126[01:45:24] <ectospasm> I think I'm going to go back to elinks. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
• 127[01:45:47] <ectospasm> It's as simple as updating my .mailcap file.
• 128[01:45:54] <efloid> ectospasm: 😞
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• 130[01:48:12] <efloid> ectospasm: here is what is mentioned on the Arch mutt info page: text/html; lynx -assume_charset=%{charset} -display_charset=utf-8 -collapse_br_tags -dump %s; nametemplate=%s.html; copiousoutput
• 131[01:49:59] <ectospasm> I'm just using `elinks -dump %s; nametemplate=%s.html; copiousoutput`
• 132[01:50:11] <ectospasm> I had just replaced `elinks` with `lynx` in my test.
• 133[01:50:14] <efloid> ectospasm: this page has a few examples too: replaced-url
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• 137[01:54:24] <ectospasm> that still shows the gobbledygook
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• 140[01:57:35] <efloid> ectospasm: lynx has a '-short_url' command switch.
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• 143[01:59:43] <ectospasm> efloid: that's just for the lynx status line, it doesn't affect links in the dump
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• 152[02:05:10] <efloid> ectospasm: for -dump there are these options: -listonly -list_inline -list_decoded I think the first one might be what you need
• 153[02:05:22] <ectospasm> For links I could ever care to follow, it has a number in square brackets, e.g. [1], [2], [5], [39], and the actual link is at the bottom of the dump in its entirety. If the link wraps in alacritty, I load the dump in less so I can click on the entire link.
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• 155[02:05:44] <efloid> ectospasm: there's also -nolist disable the link list feature in dumps.
• 156[02:05:55] <ectospasm> efloid: but I need that.
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• 162[02:11:22] <efloid> ectospasm: did you try running lynx -dump <url> outside of mutt just to compare?
• 163[02:12:29] <efloid> i tried a few test pages and they look pretty clean
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• 166[02:20:44] <efloid> one thing that's annoying me with lynx is the 'a' keystroke adds the current link at the cursor as a bookmark, but there seems to be no option to add the current page you are on as a bookmark
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• 168[02:24:52] <efloid> opened the python html documentation main page. at the top of page. press 'a' to add bookmark but it wants to bookmark the 'search within python documentation' url which is what is under the cursor, not the URL of the actual page i'm on.
• 169[02:25:24] <efloid> press 'v' to open bookmarks page, but there's no option there to add the current page
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• 182[02:46:10] <BalooRJ> Anyone have any experience in figuring out how to get specific bluetooth devices to show up in Blueman?
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• 184[02:46:35] <BalooRJ> I've got a bluetooth dongle hooked into my speaker system that shows up fine for my Android phones, but I can't seem to get it to show up in Blueman devices section, and it is directly next to the computer
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• 188[02:50:17] <oxek> What is the recommended way of not sending my hostname in dhcp requests?
• 189[02:50:20] <oxek> I tried editing /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf and commenting out the directive like this '#send host-name = gethostname();'
• 190[02:50:28] <oxek> I tried replacing it with 'send host-name = ;'
• 191[02:50:45] <oxek> I tried editing the connection options file for networkmanager to have 'dhcp-send-hostname=false'
• 192[02:50:54] <oxek> none of these options worked
• 193[02:51:06] <oxek> so I wonder what the modern way of doing this is in debian
• 194[02:51:15] <oxek> I am on debian stable, xfce, with networkmanager installed
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• 196[02:52:12] <Gerula> BalooRJ, my bt dongle needs a driver to turn on, it's an asusbt400
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• 201[02:56:28] <Gerula> BalooRJ, replaced-url
• 202[02:57:12] <BalooRJ> Gerula - Thanks for this info, I'll give this a shot
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• 211[03:09:12] <bestucan_> Is there any way to show plain text email with 80 characters in android normally?
• 212[03:10:28] <skyliner_369> I'm trying to make a compressed zip archive, but the zip is literally bigger than the contents... why?
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• 217[03:11:20] <b1ackandwh1te> iv heard somewhere if you compress the compressed it grows.
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• 219[03:12:17] <b1ackandwh1te> must be the entropy
• 220[03:12:51] <lawr3nce> anyone good in C?
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• 223[03:13:49] <sney> !anyone
• 224[03:13:49] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
• 225[03:14:43] <skyliner_369> I guess putting a folder of PNGs run through optipng at max settings grows the files huh?
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• 228[03:16:02] <skyliner_369> then again doesn't zip do inter-file compression?
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• 230[03:18:08] <InnovAnon-Inc> I think most algorithms don't. that's why I was trying out lrzip in the other debian channel
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• 235[03:20:46] <b1ackandwh1te> deflate somehow all put in a sigle file and 7z compression 9
• 236[03:21:16] <b1ackandwh1te> s/deflate/decompress
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• 273[03:50:09] <untakenstupidnic> what method do you think is good, to find and install the doc and dev package of all libraries that are installed
• 274[03:50:15] <untakenstupidnic> ?
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• 277[03:55:50] <InnovAnon-Inc> lol sounds like you're trying to do something crazy. a quick approximation: dpkg --get-selections|awk '$2 == "install" {sub(/:.*/,"",$1); print $1"-dev " $2"-doc"}'|xargs apt-fast install -qy
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• 279[03:56:35] <InnovAnon-Inc> probably the best way is to iterate that list of packages, do apt-fast build-dep -qy $pkg, then dpkg-buildpackage, then dpkg -i *.deb
• 280[03:57:27] <InnovAnon-Inc> it'll probably break your system. I think that removing the build-deps after doing the `dpkg -i' might keep it from breaking. it's because build-deps tend to conflict ime
• 281[03:58:13] <InnovAnon-Inc> I printed the dpkg --get-selections output to a file, then copied the file to a docker container to do that awful build-world stuff
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• 284[04:00:23] <untakenstupidnic> InnovAnon-Inc: They are likely to disconnect our national internet from the world, and i want to be able to program in that time.
• 285[04:01:36] <InnovAnon-Inc> lol literally it'll slow down every server in his/her nation. I mean, if he/she remembers to install netselect before configuring apt-fast
• 286[04:02:20] <InnovAnon-Inc> but... there was a question and I happen to have done something like that before.
• 287[04:03:14] <untakenstupidnic> you mean its such a large amount of data to download?
• 288[04:03:39] <InnovAnon-Inc> lol yeah. and if you do it the way I'm telling you, you'll be limited by your download speed, not the mirror's upload speed
• 289[04:04:07] <InnovAnon-Inc> I happen to have a docker container already configured for such nonsense...
• 290[04:04:41] <InnovAnon-Inc> actually, the dockerfile will build debian or ubuntu. tested on debian 10, 9 and 8, and ubuntu 20.04, 18.04 and 16.04. pick your poison
• 291[04:05:43] <InnovAnon-Inc> you should throttle your connection first.
• 292[04:06:14] <awal1> untakenstupidnic, try to find recommended not installed, that may help
• 293[04:06:16] <awal1> aptitude search '~RBrecommends:~i!~i'
• 294[04:06:48] <untakenstupidnic> i can't comprehend, how do some .h and html and troff files would have such a size?
• 295[04:09:35] <untakenstupidnic> stackexchange compressed database dump is like 7GB for comparison
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• 298[04:11:53] <InnovAnon-Inc> also, so far we haven't provided a way that won't pull in extra cruft. so it'll pull more data than you're actually wanting
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• 303[04:21:18] <InnovAnon-Inc> I'm still waiting for it to finish, but I think this should show you how much data you're looking at transfering over the network: (dpkg --get-selections|awk '$2 == "install" {sub(/:.*/,"",$1); print $1"-dev " $1"-doc"}'|tr \ \\n|xargs -I% bash -c 'apt-cache show % 2> /dev/null | awk '\''$1 ~ /^Size:/{print $2}'\'|xargs printf "%d + ";echo 0)|bc
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• 305[04:22:04] <InnovAnon-Inc> damn. I was too slow :P
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• 310[04:28:37] <InnovAnon-Inc> lol it finally returned: 1027237468
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• 369[05:02:37] <uxfi> p
• 370[05:02:38] <uxfi> hey
• 371[05:02:40] <uxfi> oops
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• 385[05:26:43] <FUtz> !source-jessie
• 386[05:27:05] <FUtz> !source jessie
• 387[05:27:23] <FUtz> :/
• 388[05:27:52] <FUtz> how to do ?
• 389[05:28:23] <FUtz> i need source list to debian 8
• 390[05:29:07] <jmcnaught> !jessie sources.list
• 391[05:29:07] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
• 392[05:29:21] <FUtz> thanks
• 393[05:29:48] <jmcnaught> Don't forget that jessie LTS ends June 30th.
• 394[05:30:43] <FUtz> ok thanks :D
• 395[05:33:16] <FUtz> OH :|
• 396[05:33:20] <FUtz> W: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
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• 398[05:34:11] <FUtz> Failed to fetch replaced-url
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• 401[05:35:03] <ectospasm> you'll probably want to use another mirror
• 402[05:35:21] <jmcnaught> Or check that you have DNS resolution.
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• 406[05:37:58] <FUtz> Fetched 11.5 MB in 14s (800 kB/s) Reading package lists... Done, Yeah its work!
• 407[05:38:13] <FUtz> thanks :)
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• 421[06:11:50] <odp> evening. i upgraded to buster tonight. rebooted into lightdm and gnome wasn't a DE option. i tried to install it with tasksel but it barely loads. no menus, just the wallpaper
• 422[06:12:25] <odp> is tasksel the best way to install gnome?
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• 424[06:12:59] <nvz> odp: not really.. its one way..
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• 426[06:13:15] <nvz> apt install task-gnome-desktop
• 427[06:13:19] <nvz> is another way
• 428[06:13:31] <odp> ive also done that
• 429[06:13:36] <odp> same issue though
• 430[06:16:25] <nvz> idk, you need to provide some more information if you expect anyone here to be of any more help.. sounds to me like your upgrade didnt go well and you've provided nothing but some symptoms
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• 432[06:18:08] <nvz> (cat /etc/debian_version;uname -a;apt policy; dpkg -l *gnome*)|nc termbin.com 9999
• 433[06:18:17] <nvz> might be a start
• 434[06:18:49] <nvz> without digging into your actual apt logs, xlogs, etc.. which may not be necessary
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• 436[06:19:49] <nvz> I'm gonna take a wild guess that you did not read the buster release notes, and that your issue will be fairly apparent with the above information
• 437[06:20:06] <Casper26> Anyone help with grub custimizer not saving it just closes?
• 438[06:20:41] <nvz> the what now?
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• 441[06:28:24] <odp> nvz: sorry for the lack of details. i did follow the release notes but i'm not very familar with changing DEs or how they work. replaced-url
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• 443[06:29:03] <nvz> the session menu in the DM is generated based on .desktop files in same as the menus anywhere else
• 444[06:29:05] <odp> i was previously using gdm3, but post upgrade i ended up in lightdm with no gnome option
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• 449[06:36:30] <nvz> ,v gnome-session
• 450[06:36:31] <judd> Package: gnome-session on amd64 -- jessie: 3.14.0-2; stretch: 3.22.3-1; buster: 3.30.1-2; bullseye: 3.36.0-2; sid: 3.36.0-2
• 451[06:37:28] <jmcnaught> odp: does a GNOME session work for a different user?
• 452[06:38:11] <nvz> they're saying the gnome session isnt even showing up in the sessions list in lightdm
• 453[06:38:50] <nvz> the desktop file /usr/share/xsession/gnome.desktop is provided by gnome-session which is installed and should be the file that makes that show up
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• 455[06:39:06] <odp> sorry, after installing with tasksel, it does show up but barely loads.
• 456[06:39:08] <BalooRJ> I am getting this odd error in abcde
• 457[06:39:14] <nvz> though I'm not real sure about the relationship between gnome, lightdm, and wayland
• 458[06:39:16] <BalooRJ> [WARNING] something went wrong while querying the CD... Maybe a DATA CD or the CD is not loaded? [WARNING] Error trying to calculate disc ids without lead-out information.
• 459[06:39:40] <BalooRJ> Meanwhile, CD is plugged in, drive is working fine. Used it to rip another CD to handbrake. Tried a different USB CD Drive, same thing. No idea what the problem is here. Anyone have any thoughts?
• 460[06:39:57] * nvz upgrades the GNOME VM
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• 465[06:44:17] <odp> i tried installing kde via tasksel as well and it seems to have the same issue. no menus, just a mouse and wallpaper. except this time it's the kde mouse pointer
• 466[06:45:44] <odp> xfce works
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• 468[06:52:31] <odp> if i switch to gdm3 i don't even get a logon screen
• 469[06:52:36] <odp> just black screens :|
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• 485[07:18:13] <bloc> is emacs worth dabbling/learning for non programmers?
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• 492[07:23:47] <ectospasm> bloc: possibly, emacs will make you a programmer just to customize it.
• 493[07:24:06] <ectospasm> LOTS of hotkey combinations.
• 494[07:24:32] <ectospasm> You'll have to learn emacs LISP os Scheme or whatever it uses.
• 495[07:24:56] <ectospasm> I tried to go down that rabbit hole 22 years ago.
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• 497[07:25:52] <ectospasm> Then I was a forced convert to vi. The sysadmin at my internship wouldn't install emacs for me, so I was forced to learn vi. I never went back to emacs, and now I'm a diehard vim user.
• 498[07:26:23] <ectospasm> It took me ten years to lose the habit of Ctrl-X, Ctrl-S to save a file.
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• 504[07:32:42] <efloid> hanasaki: dovecot ssl is pretty straightforward. you just specify ssl_cert and ssl_key in 10-ssl.conf
• 505[07:33:34] <efloid> hanasaki: and i recommend ssl = required
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• 508[07:35:15] <hanasaki> efloid: yes. did that. its working fine with evolution client. thunderbird says routines:ssl3_read_bytes:sslv3 alert bad certificate: SSL alert number 42 doesn't work selfsigned nor letsencrypt
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• 510[07:37:36] <efloid> hanasaki: look up the error to find more detailed info on it
• 511[07:38:04] <efloid> hanasaki: or see if there's a way to get more info from thunderbird - maybe view a log
• 512[07:38:31] <hanasaki> nothing in the logs of thunderbird. 42 is a bad cert ... no other details
• 513[07:38:48] <hanasaki> openssl client connects fine as well
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• 516[07:39:37] <efloid> hanasaki: did you try Developer Tools -> Error Console ?
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• 518[07:43:26] <hanasaki> nothing in the thunderbird error console just a popup breifly of
• 519[07:43:56] <hanasaki> imap server doesn't support the authentication
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• 521[07:45:47] <hanasaki> tried with both ssl and starttls
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• 523[07:46:25] <efloid> if you use ssl port 995 then authentication can be 'normal'
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• 525[07:47:24] <efloid> connection security: ssl auth method: normal
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• 527[07:48:22] <efloid> the other auth methods are legacy from when the imap/pop traffic wasn't over ssl and the handshake could be snooped on
• 528[07:49:14] <efloid> nowadays everyone should be using imaps (and ssmtp for outgoing)
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• 530[07:51:02] <efloid> s/993/995/
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• 547[08:17:30] <bloc> ectospasm: well there is this 'org mode' thing , maybe can learn that, am too old to learn any languages prolly
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• 565[08:46:41] <kreyren> How do i get /var/run/libvirt/libvirt-socks on debian:stable? replaced-url
• 566[08:46:48] <kreyren> required for `vagrant up`
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• 568[08:51:21] <kreyren> progressed by installing qemu libvirt-daemon-system libvirt-clients ebtables dnsmasq-base
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• 570[08:52:19] <kreyren> getting this now replaced-url
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• 572[08:52:46] <ozzloy> is there an open source 2d printer?
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• 574[08:53:41] <Kryspin> Hello. Some one of You install a terminology on Windows Subsystem for Linux Distributions:
• 575[08:54:31] <bloc> Kryspin: what do you mean?
• 576[08:55:14] <petrvelicka> kreyren, try adding polkit rule that return yes on org.libvirt.unix.manage action
• 577[08:55:20] <Kryspin> replaced-url
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• 579[08:55:29] <kreyren> petrvelicka, how
• 580[08:55:49] * kreyren is up for 34 hours so he may be unusually stupid
• 581[08:56:16] <petrvelicka> kreyren, replaced-url
• 582[08:58:38] <kreyren> petrvelicka, same issue replaced-url
• 583[08:59:11] <kreyren> but i ain't in wheel group
• 584[08:59:13] <kreyren> w8
• 585[08:59:23] <petrvelicka> kreyren, remove that comment. is your user in wheel group? if not, remove that line too
• 586[09:00:01] <petrvelicka> also you don't need the action two times, you can safely remove one of them with ||
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• 588[09:00:50] <kreyren> petrvelicka, same issue replaced-url
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• 591[09:01:41] <kreyren> to me the output seems to say that there is no polkit agent available -> Maybe it expects some other polkit or something
• 592[09:01:42] <kreyren> ?
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• 594[09:02:00] <petrvelicka> replaced-url
• 595[09:02:37] <petrvelicka> replaced-url
• 596[09:02:46] <petrvelicka> sorry, I accidentally pasted the original file
• 597[09:03:22] <petrvelicka> the second one is the right one
• 598[09:03:24] <kreyren> petrvelicka, works now! Thankuuu!!
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• 601[09:04:28] <petrvelicka> kreyren, also, polkit agent is meant to be a program that asks you for your password or something other to authetificate and here we're just bypassing that step by saying that no authentification is needed for that action
• 602[09:04:46] <kreyren> petrvelicka, noted
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• 635[09:57:10] <StyXman> is there a way to tell aptitude or any other high level package manager to treat all the installed binary packages form the same source as a unit group? so if I mark one as upgrade or hold, the others upgrade or hold too?
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• 639[09:58:23] <no_gravity> Good Morning
• 640[09:58:28] <no_gravity> Do you guys think this is a good function to create a randum number? randnum() { echo $(($1 + RANDOM%(1+$2-$1))); }
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• 647[10:03:48] <StyXman> no_gravity: sounds about right, I would test it, tho, run it 100 times over randnum(10,20)
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• 650[10:05:43] <themill> StyXman: you can «aptitude upgrade '?source-package(foo)?installed'» which isn't quite the same thing but close
• 651[10:06:29] <StyXman> themill: I see, sounds cool. I fogot to mention: in the interactive mode of aptitude
• 652[10:06:43] <StyXman> maybe I should open a bug
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• 655[10:09:53] <no_gravity> StyXman: I will test it when I use it. If it ever gives me a number out of my range, I will freak out.
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• 664[10:16:13] <StyXman> no_gravity: using is not testing
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• 666[10:16:49] <no_gravity> StyXman: Interesting. Thats a good way to look at it. I will contemplate it.
• 667[10:17:08] <StyXman> using is assuming it has no bugs
• 668[10:17:53] <no_gravity> StyXman: What if I assume all software has bugs? Do I have to stop using computers?
• 669[10:18:14] <StyXman> no_gravity: no, but you should always test the code that you write
• 670[10:18:27] <no_gravity> StyXman: Thanks for the tip. Will keep it in mind.
• 671[10:18:49] <StyXman> sof course, you can't always can
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• 673[10:19:16] <themill> you might want to be very careful about the upper and lower limits from that function
• 674[10:19:55] <no_gravity> themill: Doesn't that apply to every function?
• 675[10:20:17] <StyXman> look, I just did it for you:
• 676[10:20:18] <StyXman> for i in {1..100}; do r=$(randnum 10 20); if [ $r -lt 10 -o $r -gt 20 ]; then echo NOK; fi; done; echo OK
• 677[10:20:19] <StyXman> OK
• 678[10:20:35] <no_gravity> StyXman: Great, thanks!
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• 682[10:21:33] <themill> how weird
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• 698[10:53:36] <InnovAnon-Inc> that's not really a uniform distro, but it should work for most purposes
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• 703[10:58:44] <shtrb> ,v mysql-server
• 704[10:58:45] <judd> Package: mysql-server on amd64 -- jessie: 5.5.60-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.5.62-0+deb8u1; stretch: 5.5.9999+default; sid: 5.7.26-1
• 705[10:59:00] <shtrb> Did mysql really come back to debian ?
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• 709[11:00:21] <xormor> how do I make my Debian GNU/Linux buster 10 stable look for and receive all of the upgrades unattended, or maybe give an icon to click on when the upgrades come?
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• 711[11:00:48] <xormor> now I use the menu, and it checks daily, but I want the system to either "push" the upgrades or look for them every few hours.
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• 713[11:01:25] <vlt> xormor: There’s the unattended-upgrades pkg.
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• 715[11:01:55] <xormor> vlt, I have to do a "sudo apt update" and "sudo apt upgrade" system commands, and it often shows me upgrades the system has not already received.
• 716[11:02:10] <xormor> vlt, the "unattended-upgrades" package seems to be purely virtual.
• 717[11:02:29] <xormor> WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.
• 718[11:02:30] <xormor> Package: unattended-upgrades
• 719[11:02:30] <xormor> Version: 1.11.2
• 720[11:02:30] <xormor> Priority: optional
• 721[11:02:30] <xormor> Section: admin
• 722[11:02:30] <xormor> Maintainer: Michael Vogt <mvo@debian.org>
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• 725[11:03:18] <xormor> it seems it is installed.
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• 727[11:03:41] <xormor> how do I configure to make it look for the upgrades a few hours apart?
• 728[11:03:55] <xormor> or make the server "push" the upgrades?
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• 736[11:12:36] <xormor> replaced-url
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• 766[12:11:47] <zmitya> hi all
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• 768[12:12:17] <zmitya> I would like to recompile the PHP in a legacy system (squeeze), but for that I would need the php source package
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• 770[12:12:25] <zmitya> but I get this error:
• 771[12:12:34] <zmitya> apt-get -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false source php5
• 772[12:12:39] <zmitya> E: Some packages could not be authenticated
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• 774[12:13:00] <zmitya> how could I get the deb-src ?
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• 776[12:13:23] <zmitya> I have this in my sources list:
• 777[12:13:26] <zmitya> deb-src replaced-url
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• 785[12:30:05] <Bushmaster> hello all
• 786[12:30:14] <Bushmaster> i have an inquiry, can anyone help
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• 788[12:31:51] <Bushmaster> i installed Eclipse IDE but I cant figure out how to add the Eclipse in Application Menu in my Debian 9.12 Stretch, I followed this tutorial all the way through, and Eclipse work fine but the way that dude added Eclipse in Application Menu, I did the same, but it is not showing up at all, any idea how to resolve this issue, here is the tutorial link replaced-url
• 789[12:32:35] <expon> Bushmaster: see the .desktop instructions near the bottom of the page
• 790[12:32:41] <expon> that's what adds an icon to the app menu
• 791[12:32:47] <expon> make sure you wrote the file correctly + put it in the right place
• 792[12:33:16] <Bushmaster> let me check expon
• 793[12:33:43] <expon> zmitya: is squeeze still in the repositories? try the debian snapshot website to get the DSC for it
• 794[12:34:46] <zmitya> expon: I think I found how to do that ... apt-cache showsrc told me where to find the sources ..
• 795[12:35:01] <zmitya> expon: it is still available in archive.debian.org
• 796[12:35:11] <expon> zylyb: oh ok, maybe missing the right gpg key then
• 797[12:35:21] <expon> apologies, zmitya
• 798[12:35:24] <expon> too many z users ;)
• 799[12:35:54] <zmitya> expon: yes
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• 803[12:38:40] <Bushmaster> expon, i did exactly what that dude asked in that link you provided, it did not add the icon in menu at all
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• 805[12:38:55] <Bushmaster> expon, like I provided I meant
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• 807[12:39:23] <abrotman> Bushmaster: what is your WM and how did you install it ?
• 808[12:39:47] <Bushmaster> what is WM dude abrotman
• 809[12:40:24] <InnovAnon-Inc> window manager
• 810[12:40:35] <InnovAnon-Inc> e.g., gnome, kde, etc
• 811[12:41:16] <Bushmaster> no idea, what it is using, how i check
• 812[12:41:41] <Bushmaster> give me the command to check
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• 816[12:43:27] <InnovAnon-Inc> printf 'Desktop: %s\nSession: %s\n' "$XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP" "$GDMSESSION"
• 817[12:43:43] <InnovAnon-Inc> replaced-url
• 818[12:44:22] <timwis> Hey all, I'm trying to configure my Dockerfile that's based on buster, and having trouble getting mariadb-client to work with MySQL 8's new default authentication mode, caching_sha2_password. It says it's missing the plugin file for it, though the docs site says it supports it out of the box. Since I expect this is a common problem, has anyone heard of how to solve it? If not, is there a mysql-client package in debian?
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• 823[12:51:34] <jmd> Can anyone suggest how I can run a X client as root?
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• 827[12:54:02] <expon> jmd: why would you want to?
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• 829[12:55:14] <expon> timwis: i see a mysql client 5.7, but nothing close to 8, i assume it's some oracle nonsense personally
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• 831[12:55:23] <expon> almost everything oracle makes is now illegal to redistribute
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• 833[12:55:55] <expon> do they not provide an official docker image? if they've built their binaries statically you can just use multi-stage builds to cherry-pick
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• 835[12:56:04] <timwis> expon: yeah :/ happy to use mariadb-client, but it seems the default installation doesn't include this authentication plugin, which — and i don't think i'm exaggerating — means it does not work out of the box with the latest version of mysql server
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• 838[12:56:56] <expon> yeah this looks absolutely classic Oracle way of shutting out any competitors
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• 840[12:57:37] <timwis> expon: mariadb does support it though replaced-url
• 841[12:57:54] <expon> timwis: have a read of the official dockerfile: replaced-url
• 842[12:58:11] <n_1-c_k> jmd, are you running the X-client via sudo or what?
• 843[12:58:12] <timwis> ah, good idea
• 844[12:58:30] <expon> timwis: i haven't checked how the debian package is built, but Oracle are notoriously litigous
• 845[12:58:39] <expon> so if they've protected that module it might not be permitted to redistribute, i'm not 100%
• 846[12:58:52] <expon> i'll have a quick look
• 847[12:59:41] <jmd> n_1-c_k: I've tried various methods
• 848[13:00:05] <ayekat> jmd: what are you trying to do?
• 849[13:00:15] <expon> run X as root but without telling us why lol
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• 851[13:00:51] <expon> timwis: i don't see anything about it in the mariadb build source, so i'd have to start digging in a bit more to determine what is going on
• 852[13:01:31] <n_1-c_k> jmd, something like replaced-url
• 853[13:02:31] <timwis> expon: I believe that it's looking for a file called caching_sha2_password.so in the mariadb plugins directory, but it's not there. The mariadb docs page I linked suggests specifying --plugin-dir when you run the mysql command to point to the directory that contains the plugin. But I don't believe that plugin is installed anywhere when you run apt-get install mariadb-client, despite what the docs imply
• 854[13:02:46] <timwis> That's how far I've got, at least 🤷‍♂️
• 855[13:03:21] <jelly> judd, file caching_sha2_password.so
• 856[13:03:25] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
• 857[13:03:45] <expon> it's actually caching_sha256_password w/maria
• 858[13:03:48] <expon> but the same is true
• 859[13:04:13] <expon> timwis: there's packages Oracle provides there that should help, but otherwise you'd need to look into how maria builds that module and why it's excluded by the debian package
• 860[13:04:22] <jelly> judd, file caching_sha256_password*
• 861[13:04:26] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
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• 866[13:05:52] <timwis> Hm, okay. I suppose I could use the "legacy" auth mechanism as a work-around. Just strange this doesn't work out of the box.
• 867[13:06:16] <expon> well, the build arguments don't explicitly mention it
• 868[13:06:23] <expon> it's possible maria needs to be built specially with the support
• 869[13:06:32] <expon> or that it's some sort of Oracle dubiousness
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• 871[13:06:56] <timwis> Right, but considering that's the default auth mechanism for mysql server v8, and mariadb is meant to be a drop-in replacement, you'd think it would support it by default, wouldn't you? 🤔
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• 874[13:07:46] <expon> mariadb is a fork meant to avoid Oracle dooming mysql to a grave so they can sell their RDBMS
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• 876[13:08:08] <expon> mysql almost certainly will continue to become incompatible with mariadb as that is how oracle has operated for decades
• 877[13:08:32] <expon> IMO do not have anything to do with Oracle if you can avoid it, switch to all MariaDB / Postgres
• 878[13:10:13] <timwis> Yeah. I'm using a digital ocean managed Mysql DB - wish they gave the option
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• 880[13:10:28] <expon> it's 2020 and they don't offer Maria?!
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• 882[13:10:55] <expon> timwis: if you're still struggling with that repo etc give me a shout later and i'll try and reproduce more exactly
• 883[13:11:04] <expon> but the repo in Oracle's dockerfile should contain all you need
• 884[13:11:18] <timwis> Thanks, I appreciate it
• 885[13:11:20] <expon> have a quick look through the mariadb client bugs too, as someone's probably filed this
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• 888[13:11:28] <expon> and i expect there'll be a real thorough explanation in there somewhere
• 889[13:11:32] <jelly> expon, mysql features and usage scenarios are FAR away from oracle db, they are going to keep supporting both as long as there are paying customers
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• 891[13:11:55] <expon> jelly: yes but mysql will conveniently fail to do some task that oracle exceeds at, if only you pay $$$$
• 892[13:12:11] <expon> mysql is just their equivalent of a loss leader, they want it for the name and not the tech
• 893[13:12:29] <jelly> yes, that is what I mean by different features
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• 895[13:12:54] <jelly> that has not changed since before oracle bought mysql ab
• 896[13:13:19] <expon> i'm not sure we'd be able to know
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• 898[13:13:49] <jelly> I have been using both for a while. Those are completely different products.
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• 900[13:14:03] <expon> they're both RDBMSs, they're not that different lol
• 901[13:14:14] <expon> and yeah I've been using since 8i and god knows what version of mysql
• 902[13:14:27] <expon> and that's why i'm confident in saying don't ever trust Oracle
• 903[13:14:40] <jelly> and yet you call mysql a rdbms.
• 904[13:14:48] * jelly hides
• 905[13:14:56] <expon> i mean that's what they were always trying to be
• 906[13:14:59] <expon> and since innodb it's not half bad
• 907[13:15:07] <abrotman> it's also not half good
• 908[13:15:07] <expon> i think they even have DDL transactions now?
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• 910[13:15:28] <expon> i agree I use postgres wherever possible, but not everyone has that choice
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• 912[13:15:57] <expon> oh sorry it's now 'atomic DDL' but not transactional
• 913[13:15:58] <jelly> so you are saying mysql is actually gaining at least some features oracle db had for a while.
• 914[13:16:09] <expon> jelly: apparently not
• 915[13:16:14] <expon> just some abortive half implemented version
• 916[13:16:16] <expon> which is exactly what i expect
• 917[13:16:30] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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• 919[13:16:36] <abrotman> anyway ...
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• 923[13:22:02] <odp> nvz: how did that upgrade go?
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• 927[13:26:13] <jmd> n_1-c_k: I will try that. Thanks.
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• 949[14:04:37] <OnceMe> alsa headers in buster which package is it?
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• 951[14:07:51] <b1ackandwh1te> good morning, this is the second time i cant login in with my master password of keepassx database, NOW im am sure is something wrong because i have the password in paper not memorized. i will give the file for the good soul that can crack it for me
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• 984[14:52:15] <jim> I'm looking at possibly a dated page of the debian wiki... let me just ask: how to set the cpu clock freq governor at boot, using cpupower rather than dpufrequtils?
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• 986[14:53:08] <jim> or is a different set of cpu speed utils current now?
• 987[14:54:42] <NetTerminalGene> jim, replaced-url
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• 989[14:55:45] <jim> (just so you know, I'm -not- looking to -over- clock the cpu... but it's wayyyy underclocked now, even pretty well below the minimum
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• 991[14:56:25] <jim> NetTerminalGene, thanks; I'll look, then I'll probably have questions about how to apply that to debian
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• 995[14:57:32] <expon> jim: it's normal for processors to be underclocked by default
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• 997[14:57:48] <expon> jim: are you experiencing any symptoms?
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• 1005[15:01:05] <jim> expon, I use jackd for audio, and getting a lot of xruns
• 1006[15:01:42] <jim> there are two cpu clock rate governors, they're called powersave and performance
• 1007[15:01:57] <expon> ah i've had similar problems, but unless you're doing live audio it might just be worth adding a slightly longer buffer
• 1008[15:02:04] <jim> I'd just like to enable the performance governor at boot
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• 1011[15:02:27] <expon> well cpupower may do that, you might have to mess around with some p-state / turbo stuff for intel but i'm no expert in it
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• 1014[15:03:15] <jim> expon, well let's see if increasing the clock rate range fixes the xrun thing
• 1015[15:03:32] <jim> or if it at least helps
• 1016[15:03:52] <expon> sure, you've made sure you're running jack with realtime priority too right?
• 1017[15:04:03] <jim> yes...
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• 1019[15:04:31] <expon> common mistakes :)
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• 1021[15:05:01] <jim> I know the pulse/jackd "myths" say that it's not necessary to have a real-time kernel... but I'll ask you this: does it help?
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• 1023[15:05:26] <expon> i've not experimented enough to know tbqh, i use jack primarily for my desktop audio
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• 1025[15:05:38] <jim> me too
• 1026[15:05:39] <expon> in general i'm fine with a 20ms buffer and i only ever have xruns when i'm really loading this thing up
• 1027[15:05:46] <expon> so whatever
• 1028[15:05:54] <jim> what do you use to configure and start jack?
• 1029[15:06:10] <jim> qjackctl? cadence?
• 1030[15:06:42] <expon> systemd, i use gnome so the desktop is brought up as a systemd user session
• 1031[15:06:56] <expon> i launch ardour manually but i do actually have rules for moving the window etc, i'm just lazy
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• 1034[15:09:43] <jim> and do you change which governor is in use at boot?
• 1035[15:10:06] <expon> i don't, but that being said i usually have enough load on this that the processor isn't going to be clocking down much
• 1036[15:10:26] <expon> my use case is.. not particularly representative :)
• 1037[15:10:50] <expon> i recommend you experiment, but change only one thing at once and then try and use the logs to actually get statistics on how many xruns/hour for example
• 1038[15:10:51] <jim> ok
• 1039[15:11:06] <expon> don't go changing 10 different things and seeing what effect it has
• 1040[15:11:19] <expon> jack definitely logs xruns, so believe in science :)
• 1041[15:11:31] <jim> right, that would become a uninformative mess
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• 1046[15:13:26] <jim> so what I'm understanding so far, is: my i7 should use intel_pstate as the driver to the cpu freq... and, cpufrequtils is being replaced with cpupower
• 1047[15:13:47] <jim> right now, I just need to know how to control it at boot
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• 1049[15:14:21] <jim> and I don't really want to change what debian is already doing, unless absolutely necessary
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• 1058[15:29:09] <jim> now systemd is saying invalid argument... when I issue the command: sudo systemctl enable cpupower.service
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• 1068[15:34:22] <b1ackandwh1te> i activated google-authenticator in debian buster xfce4 but it dont show the second step for the account it was activated with google-authenticator command.
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• 1071[15:34:47] <CoolerX> unable to locate package dig
• 1072[15:34:49] <CoolerX> wtf?
• 1073[15:35:31] <b1ackandwh1te> i have done it in the past
• 1074[15:35:46] <jim> CoolerX, dig is in dnsutils
• 1075[15:35:48] <b1ackandwh1te> worked, i think i missed something
• 1076[15:35:51] <hata> dig is in dnsutils or something
• 1077[15:35:57] <b1ackandwh1te> i dont know what.
• 1078[15:37:12] <jim> CoolerX, try this: so you're wondering which package has an executable you want (dig in this case), so: you run, /msg judd find bin/dig
• 1079[15:37:14] <CoolerX> ok thanks
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• 1106[16:04:14] <b1ackandwh1te> may be the replaced-url
• 1107[16:05:04] <BalooRJ> b1ackandwh1te: Is this available on Debian, 2FA for login?
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• 1130[16:28:58] <velix> oops, offtopic
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• 1158[17:13:09] <sudomake> hello there! I have the network icon on the top panel always shown as "connecting". I turned off the wifi many times, and it always remained there, with the aeroplane icon appearing next to it. first I was never connected to internet, then it finally connected but the icon is still showing "connecting" status.
• 1159[17:13:23] <sudomake> I turned off and on the network manager, the same
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• 1227[18:24:46] <metbsd> so i still can't get nvidia driver to work
• 1228[18:24:54] <metbsd> installed backports nvidia driver
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• 1250[18:34:22] <somiaj> metbsd: what graphics card do you have? Is it an optimus setup with dual videocards?
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• 1253[18:35:11] <jmd> os-prober shows me absolutely nothing, although I know I have an operating system installed. Why is it not working?
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• 1257[18:35:48] <metbsd> somiaj, how do i tell it's optimus or nt
• 1258[18:36:00] <metbsd> it's dual video card one i915 one gtx1050 4g
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• 1260[18:36:16] <metbsd> i just installed firmware misc nonfree and backports
• 1261[18:36:17] <tomreyn> jmd: other OS is installe din different boot mode (uefi vs bios) or uses disk encryption
• 1262[18:36:19] <metbsd> nothing else
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• 1264[18:36:33] <metbsd> did i install wrong?
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• 1266[18:37:01] <karlpinc> BalooRJ: You can use a yubikey.
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• 1268[18:38:25] <tomreyn> TOTP should also work with some configuration
• 1269[18:39:21] <jmd> tomreyn: I know it's not encrypted. As for a different boot mode, different to what?
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• 1273[18:40:07] <tomreyn> jmd: the OS you had running when you ran os-prober, supposedly debian
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• 1279[18:41:39] <jmd> ok. Two questions. Obviously Debian itself is running, and that must be in the same mode as itself. Why doesn't it detect that. Secondly, how can I find out the current boot, mode and change it if necessary?
• 1280[18:41:55] <tomreyn> jmd: maybe i got you wrong and you're just assuming that os-prober would list your currently running OS installation
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• 1282[18:42:27] <jmd> I expected it to list all OSes on all disks. I thought that is what it is supposed to do.
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• 1284[18:43:20] <tomreyn> jmd: apt-cache show os-prober | grep ^Description
• 1285[18:43:38] <tomreyn> "other OSes"
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• 1287[18:43:40] <jmd> Right now, I have Debian running, and a Windoze OS on a connected disk. It doesn't find either.
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• 1289[18:44:00] <somiaj> metbsd: that sounds like optimus, which is a dual intel/nvidia setup, that requires a bit more to get to work, and isn't fully supporte din lniux.
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• 1291[18:44:35] <somiaj> metbsd: replaced-url
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• 1293[18:44:58] <jmd> tomreyn: OK. So if that means other than Debian, that explains why it doesn't find the one. Why doesn't it find the other?
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• 1295[18:45:51] <tomreyn> jmd: it would usually find a windows installation if the other preconditions i listed initially are met.
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• 1299[18:46:33] <somiaj> well os-propber doesn't look for the current running os, it finds other oses if it can properly detect them.
• 1300[18:46:42] <jmd> tomreyn: Your other precondition, was the boot mode. How do I set/change/query that?
• 1301[18:46:52] <somiaj> But it sounds like you have your windows os connected via a usb connection?
• 1302[18:47:00] <jmd> no.
• 1303[18:47:12] <jmd> its on a SATA disk
• 1304[18:47:14] <metbsd> somiaj, i don't have that option in bios
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• 1306[18:47:36] <tomreyn> jmd: you reinstall the OS. or try to work around this and try to convert the existing installation, but that's not fun.
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• 1309[18:47:52] <somiaj> well you can maually create scripts to add info to boot other oses, check out /etc/grub.d/ (the 40 and 41 custom examples)
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• 1312[18:48:16] <tomreyn> jmd: maybe we should gather some facts so we don't need to assume so much and soeak si generically, does this sound like a good idea?
• 1313[18:48:17] <jmd> So much not fun, that I won't do it. Especially as last time it took 15 hours.
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• 1315[18:48:25] <tomreyn> *speak so
• 1316[18:48:52] <tomreyn> jmd: echo -n 'This system booted via: '; [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS
• 1317[18:49:16] <tomreyn> this would return a linux installations' boot mode.
• 1318[18:49:38] <tomreyn> if the windows version is 8 or newer it is usually installed in uefi mode.
• 1319[18:50:14] <jmd> okay so the current boot mode is BIOS
• 1320[18:50:28] <jmd> and the other OS is uefi
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• 1322[18:50:39] <tomreyn> and that made all the difference
• 1323[18:50:45] <jmd> So how do I change the curent mode?
• 1324[18:50:56] <tomreyn> <tomreyn> jmd: you reinstall the OS. or try to work around this and try to convert the existing installation, but that's not fun.
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• 1327[18:51:26] <jmd> "try to ..."
• 1328[18:51:47] <tomreyn> it's possible, but i'm not planning to guide :)
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• 1331[18:53:21] <tomreyn> the less error prone approach is to chroot into the installed debian system from a debian live system booted in uefi mode, after mounting the virtual file systems into the chroot.
• 1332[18:53:46] <tomreyn> but even then it's still somewhat advanced, and just reinstalling is probably a lot faster.
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• 1335[18:55:29] <jmd> Are you saying that to change the boot mode, there is no option but to destroy the entire os and reinstall?
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• 1338[18:58:41] <dvs> jmd, You don't have to destroy the install but the conversion ain't easy: replaced-url
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• 1344[19:05:01] <tomreyn> hmm nice guide
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• 1400[19:51:23] <epsilon> what's the best way to gpg verify deb from archive.debian.org?
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• 1403[19:54:02] <Maizum> Hi all
• 1404[19:55:10] <Maizum> Im sorry but everyday i have questions,yesterday it was mps its solved but i have a new one
• 1405[19:55:28] <bloc> epsilon: believe you have to import the key if you have it ?
• 1406[19:55:49] <bloc> Maizum: just ask
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• 1408[19:56:26] <epsilon> bloc: the package I need is from 2008... can't even remember what the debian version was called back then
• 1409[19:56:30] <Maizum> when i create a user1 with useradd on arch ,user1 cant open user2 /home
• 1410[19:57:01] <Maizum> i did it on debia and i can acess hes folder and can acess mine,only root is private
• 1411[19:57:08] <Maizum> is that normal?
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• 1423[20:09:24] <Maizum> brb
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• 1428[20:14:43] <Maizum> after useradd ,its necessary sudo chmod -R 700 /home/user to became files private or i miss something?
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• 1430[20:15:39] <Maizum> im new on debian but that sounds stupid,why shoud my files be public by default?
• 1431[20:15:58] <annadane> just fyi adduser is the main tool to add users
• 1432[20:16:20] <annadane> useradd is more low-level
• 1433[20:16:53] <Maizum> ok
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• 1435[20:17:04] <Maizum> thank u
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• 1445[20:24:09] <n_1-c_k> Maizum, 'umask' might be relevant to your interests if you haven't used it.
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• 1448[20:26:31] <karlpinc> Maizum: Debian is setup to allow the user-private-group idiom to be turned on. This means that home directories are readable, as they have traditionally be on Unix.
• 1449[20:26:56] <karlpinc> Maizum: In the past Debian has flipped-flopped on whether to turn on UPG by default.
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• 1452[20:30:06] <Maizum> sudo chmod -R 700 /home/user works fine
• 1453[20:30:12] <Maizum> its private now
• 1454[20:30:45] <Maizum> i will read abou umask,no idea
• 1455[20:30:52] <karlpinc> !upg
• 1456[20:30:52] <dpkg> [user private groups] a system configuration idiom which allows users to collaborate by granting shared access to a directory and its content. Access is controlled by associating each collaborative project team with a Un*x group and then granting Un*x group membership to the userids of the designated project members. replaced-url
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• 1458[20:31:13] <karlpinc> Maizum: If you google you'll also find RedHat docs on UPG.
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• 1460[20:31:42] <Maizum> a shared folder alows that cooperative work
• 1461[20:32:01] <Maizum> i think
• 1462[20:32:08] <karlpinc> Maizum: No, because people won't be able to write to files others created.
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• 1464[20:32:39] <karlpinc> Maizum: Read the articles. (The debian wiki article on UPG has degraded over time.)
• 1465[20:32:55] <Maizum> i will
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• 1471[20:37:37] <gekkou> im using the unshare -n command and get an operation failed error
• 1472[20:37:45] <gekkou> any ideas on whats causing this?
• 1473[20:38:08] <gekkou> read something from 2015 that the kernal didnt allow the unshare command for non-root
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• 1475[20:38:23] <gekkou> dont know if this is still the case though, and curious to see if there is a workaround
• 1476[20:41:12] <velix> Why is python2 a build depency of python3-pil ?
• 1477[20:42:08] <velix> depedency*
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• 1511[21:17:08] <jeffrin> hello all
• 1512[21:18:14] <jeffrin> is it possible to get content length of a file without direct link to the file using python
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• 1514[21:19:43] <vlt> jeffrin: Can you explain what “direct link” means?
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• 1517[21:21:42] <jeffrin> vlt : i mean full url related replaced-url
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• 1530[21:35:33] <Turner`> hi i have tried to get a contab to work but its not working can any one please help
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• 1532[21:36:27] <sney> !doesnt work
• 1533[21:36:27] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
• 1534[21:37:04] <Turner`> i have tried to start znc
• 1535[21:37:06] <Turner`> */5 * * * * "/home/ircd/znc/bin ./znc"
• 1536[21:37:43] <sney> why are you using cron to start znc? the znc packages in debian include a systemd unit
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• 1538[21:38:11] <Turner`> i didnt know
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• 1540[21:38:29] <Turner`> thats why i tried to get it to start & i wanted one so it started when the server has rebooted.
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• 1542[21:40:57] <sney> ok, if you installed znc using apt-get, put your config files in /var/lib/znc and then you can use systemctl to start it automatically.
• 1543[21:41:04] <sney> it's probably already enabled, just failing
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• 1547[21:42:32] <Turner`> the config files are in the user dir
• 1548[21:43:00] <sney> that's why I gave you instructions to put them somewhere else
• 1549[21:43:14] <sney> you can override the default location if you *really* want to, but there's no point, and this is easier
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• 1551[21:45:20] <sney> you will also want to chown them to the _znc service account.
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• 1554[21:46:02] <Turner`> thanks
• 1555[21:46:08] <Turner`> ill give it a go
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• 1570[21:51:35] <omenius> Can anybody suggest some starting point to learn about networking in context of linux/debian
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• 1573[21:53:22] <omenius> i'm so lost with firewalls and nat's, tunnels, vpn's and stuff
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• 1583[22:02:21] <petn-randall> omenius: Not sure if there are books around, but there is replaced-url
• 1584[22:02:40] <petn-randall> There's a section for networking concepts.
• 1585[22:03:26] <omenius> big ty
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• 1604[22:17:57] <vlt> jeffrin: Not a #debian question but "requests" has a .head() method.
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• 1614[22:30:17] <Lady_Aleena> Hello everyone. Do DEs and WMs share the same configs for things like Open dialog boxes, or are there different config files for each DE or WM?
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• 1630[22:59:59] <rany> Lady_Aleena, same config when modifying gtk and qt
• 1631[23:00:13] <Lady_Aleena> Thanks rany!
• 1632[23:00:30] <rany> if you're modifying something like gtk theme it will affect DE and WM
• 1633[23:00:37] <rany> same with qt
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• 1635[23:01:39] <Lady_Aleena> rany, I modified gtk-3.0/bookmarks for the open dialog. May modify it further if I decide today is the day for reorganizing some dirs in $HOME.
• 1636[23:02:33] <rany> today is always the day ;)
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• 1643[23:08:18] <Lady_Aleena> rany, the problem with it is I have to spelunk to find everywhere that directory is mentioned.
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• 1646[23:10:33] <Lady_Aleena> I know I have it in my apache configs somewhere and in one of the . files in $HOME.
• 1647[23:11:18] <zodd> how can I configure flags for chromiumdriver? /etc/chromium contains master_preferences, but how can I add startup flag --disable-dev-shm ?
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• 1649[23:11:47] <Lady_Aleena> And I hate editing configs in nano just because I can't seem to figure out how to open them in geany as root.
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• 1656[23:20:02] <somiaj> What config files are you editing, you shouldn't need root for editing config files in $HOME
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• 1660[23:22:46] <gry> Hi, I inserted "randr --output eDP1 --dpi 144" into my ~/.xsessionrc, logged out, logged in, but it had no effect. what could be the problem?
• 1661[23:23:29] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, the ones that need root are in /etc/apache2
• 1662[23:24:04] <somiaj> gry: isn't it 'xtrandr' not 'randr'
• 1663[23:24:09] <somiaj> gry: arg 'xrandr'
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• 1666[23:25:07] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, be careful using "arg" as an exclamation in technical channels on IRC. Some might expand it mentally to "argument".
• 1667[23:25:18] <Lady_Aleena> 8)
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• 1670[23:26:09] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: There are other text based editors that you may like for the times you need to edit system stuff. Some even provide syntax hilghting for apache config files.
• 1671[23:26:50] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, I don't like any cli text editors.
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• 1673[23:28:10] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: So running your prefered editor with sudo doesn't work?
• 1674[23:28:39] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, not as far as I can tell.
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• 1678[23:30:59] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: I think the more modern prefered way is to use polkit to allow you to run apps with elevated permssions. Though I'm unsure of all ramifications and configuraiton options avialble so you don't have your editor running with full root permissiosn all the time.
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• 1680[23:31:25] <somiaj> actually on debian it is policykit still replaced-url
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• 1682[23:31:52] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, it would be lovely if the open dialog in geany had a checkbox or button that would open files as root with sudo.
• 1683[23:32:39] <somiaj> The other option (though not as covient), make and edit a copy of the config
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• 1685[23:34:06] <somiaj> though it can be scripted, copy file, edit copy, copy back. Only the last copy back needs to be done as root (unless the user can't read the config file)
• 1686[23:34:30] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, don't worry about the way I edit the apache2 files. They are the only files I think I will ever have to edit with nano other than sources.list
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• 1690[23:37:55] <Lady_Aleena> There isn't much that needs root access on my end. It is used mostly when I apt.
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• 1694[23:39:23] <Lady_Aleena> Hell, it I could install programs just for me and not system wide without using sudo with apt, that would be good too.
• 1695[23:39:53] <gry> somiaj: i didn't select the first letter, it is actually xrandr in the file
• 1696[23:40:09] <gry> somiaj: yet, it doesn't seem to make any effect
• 1697[23:40:18] <somiaj> gry: Just double checking. What display manager do you use?
• 1698[23:40:25] <gry> somiaj: sddm
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• 1701[23:43:30] <somiaj> gry: and the command works as expected if ran manually? It appears that .xessionrc is read before the selected session, wonder if something is reverting it.
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• 1705[23:49:01] <somiaj> gry: Hmm, I found a site that says this, "A second option is to run xrandr --dpi VALUE twice in a script executed upon login. Running it once should obviously be enough but it isn't."
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• 1714[23:56:45] <Lady_Aleena> Who writes the Debian wiki pages? The page for PolicyKit has many dead or mispointed links.
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