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54[00:37:48] <hansh> reinstalling *mariadb* didn't do anything, but apt purge "*mariadb*" ; and reinstall helped, guess some corruption in that db made mariadb segfault
55[00:38:04] <hansh> (purge deleted the databases too, as expected)
56[00:39:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1270
57[00:39:15] <hansh> corrupted db file making mariadb segfault is probably a mariadb bug buuuut cba
219[03:35:33] <bunni> Question about debootstrap (or derivatives) for building a Debian rootfs. Is there a way to specify a point in time to install packages from? For example, 5 years from now, can I run a command that I ran today and get the exact same packages and versions installed? If not, is there any easy way of doing this by hosting my own repo mirror?
255[04:13:50] <lenswipe> quick question, I'm trying to write a udev rule to allow me to enumerate USB devices
256[04:14:23] <lenswipe> so far I have this: SUBSYSTEM=="usb" , ATTRS{idVendor}=="046d" , ATTRS{idProduct}=="082d", TAG+="uaccess"
257[04:15:07] <uxfi> yo/o#freenode
258[04:15:18] <lenswipe> that allows me to interact with my webcam over USB, but I still can't enumerate all the cameras attached to my system using uvc-control (npm lib) - I get an error thrown with LIBUSB_ERROR_ACCESS
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261[04:15:54] <lenswipe> Google suggests that means that my script doesn't have permission to list usb devices, and indeed if i run my code as root - it works
262[04:16:02] <lenswipe> ...but I would prefer /not/ to run my code as root
285[04:29:30] <jmcnaught> lenswipe: how are you running your code? Are you logged into an X11/Wayland session, using a terminal emulator? Are you using su/sudo to run it as a different user?
289[04:33:40] <jmcnaught> lenswipe: If you check "loginctl list-seats" get the seat then "loginctl seat-status <seat>" (tab completion also works). That should list the devices that are associated with that seat. Are all the cameras listed there?
318[04:56:21] <daniel-s> I have an issue on bulldozer. "python3.7 -m pip install numpy" does not work, but this does: "python3.8 -m pip install numpy"
319[04:56:29] <daniel-s> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'distutils.util'
320[04:56:52] <daniel-s> I thought that apt install python3-distutils should work, but it seems that it's only working for the python3.8 install, not 3.7.
321[04:57:26] <sney> !debian-next
322[04:57:27] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
327[05:00:18] <jak2000> hi friends.... i am newbaby, on docker i installed docker on my mac via brew... i am insterested in this container: replaced-url
376[05:56:48] <lenswipe> jmcnaught, it appears my celebration was premature
377[05:57:14] <lenswipe> Some of what I'm doing is working, however, I'm still getting a permissions error from the USB library I'm using
378[05:57:48] <lenswipe> it integrates with a native C module, which in turn checks to see if EACCES was thrown and transforms that into LIBUSB_ERROR_ACCESS
379[05:58:47] <lenswipe> this is raised if I try to "open" the USB device
388[06:07:57] <lenswipe> jmcnaught, yeah, it's there
389[06:08:56] <jmcnaught> lenswipe: hmmm… that should mean that your user has access to it. That's basically logind's job, to grant access to hardware to the active user.
395[06:12:29] <devUY> hi people. looking for help with this error *grub_efi_secure_boot not found* I'm using Rescapp and I don't get the way to fix it...
396[06:13:36] <devUY> this happens in a fresh buster install
417[06:27:29] <velix> Can I make apt or aptitude ignore one single package, which I'll never need, but which gets hundrets of useless (for me) dependencies?
418[06:28:11] <jmcnaught> What is the package?
419[06:28:34] <velix> jmcnaught: Let me write it up.
421[06:29:48] <velix> jmcnaught: I want to install libopenimageio2.0, which depends on libopencv-videoio3.2, which depends on libopencv-imgcodecs3.2, which is built against GDAL (gnar, this will break my backport) etc.. So I want to ignore libopencv-imgcodecs3.2.
422[06:30:21] <velix> It's a longterm weakness of Debian, since all input and output formats are activated instead of splitting the package in a sense way.
423[06:30:38] <velix> I bet, only a few OpenCV users work with geospatial data ;)
424[06:31:51] <velix> God... it also pulls stuff like libmp3lame0.
425[06:31:56] <velix> I just want to load a JPEG in JAVA ;)
426[06:32:15] <velix> Seems like it's time for a chroot or container.
450[06:54:05] <velix> jmcnaught: I'm re-building the package without OpenCV support now. I don't know the maintainer, but he seems to be insane ;)
451[06:54:30] <jmcnaught> Probably just trying to make it useful for the broadest group of people.
452[06:54:48] <jmcnaught> Is it a matter of saving storage space on an embedded device or something?
453[06:54:59] <velix> jmcnaught: And that's where I disagree. Most of the OpenCV people do "normal" image stuff, not geospatial image stuff.
454[06:55:16] <jmcnaught> Is the package unable to do both?
455[06:56:12] <velix> jmcnaught: Since it's build against gdal, it can do both now, sure. But it doesn't need to. He could have split it up. Making an image library depending on a videolibrary, depending on ffmpeg and geospatial libraries is no good.
467[07:00:26] <velix> jmcnaught: There was the same problem with libsfcgal depending on libopenscenegraph in the past, which pulled tons of video editing and 3d stuff. It got split after many reports.
502[07:47:34] <Kats99> So I created a different namespace and created a virt ethernet device pair and assigned ip addresses to them. Now I can access the temporary namespace's localhost from the host but I cannot access the host from the namespace. help
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578[09:29:12] <StyXman> how can I get rid of ibus in a kde session without uninstalling it? I'm setting it for us intl w/ dead keys and it's not working...
579[09:29:38] <StyXman> I can't uninstall it because a 3rd party mispackaged software I need to use depends on it
580[09:30:20] <sney> you can uninstall it
581[09:30:22] <sney> !equivs
582[09:30:22] <dpkg> equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>.
583[09:30:31] <StyXman> ah, hmm
584[09:31:58] <StyXman> sney: I will probably do that, but the question remains, where is ibus configured,
646[10:45:44] <gryffus> I am trying to setup an automatic install with preseed with only ssh server installed. I have used "d-i tassel/first multiselect minimal,ssh-server", but it does not seem to work. Xorg still gets installed. How do I tell pressed to install only minimal system with sshd?
782[12:20:32] <petn-randall> Taniey: That entry you mentioned will allow you to download the source packages, nothing else.
783[12:20:48] <petn-randall> Taniey: Which package are we talking about?
784[12:20:50] <InnovAnon-Inc> I don't think you need deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/<whatever>. I don't have any, and the *-dbg packages still show up with apt-cache search *-dbg
799[12:26:43] <InnovAnon-Inc> how does this do it for you? apt build-dep glib2.0 && apt source glib2.0 && cd glib2.0* && dpkg-buildpackage && dpkg -i ../glib2.0*-dbg*
801[12:27:02] <brutser> got a laptop with deb10+openbox, after some time of inactivity the laptop goes into sleep mode (i have the lid closed most of the time, so not sure if there is a difference if i leave it open) - how to prevent this sleep mode?
802[12:27:13] <brutser> laptop lenovo t450s ^
803[12:27:25] <bomb> power manager settings
804[12:27:52] <bomb> sorry, I missed the "openbox" part
805[12:29:05] <bomb> it's still worth checking if you have installed Xfce or Gnome power manager for some reason
818[12:33:37] <brutser> ratrace: i also find next to logind.conf sleep.conf, there it says allowsleep=yes/no
819[12:33:48] <brutser> would that also do the trick?
820[12:34:06] <brutser> or should i first put the setting in logind?
821[12:34:26] <mi11k1> brutser, look in ~/.config/openbox
822[12:34:26] <ratrace> brutser: I don't know what is "sleep.conf", but logind.conf has power management options, in this case things like HandleLidSwitch might help.
823[12:34:33] <mi11k1> cat autostart
824[12:34:49] <mi11k1> is there something in there relating to xfce power?
840[12:41:11] <brutser> yes i know about that, it's just not installed, i could do that to give myself some more easier power option settings in the future, but in general i don't need power setting package, so i might try ratrace's suggestion first
897[13:11:58] <jim> I got debian 10 running on an hp probook 650 g1, and it has an i7 cpu... how can I find out if all of the debian installation is just using one of the cores?
903[13:17:46] <jim> is it possible to have all the sound stuff running in one core, and everything else in another?
904[13:18:34] <oerheks> htop
905[13:18:54] <jim> (problem I'm trying to solve, is it looks like other stuff running with the sound stuff, seems to be taking cycles
906[13:20:14] <ratrace> jim: you can run lspcu and look at the CPU(s) line, to see how many cores are registered. as for whether they're all running, they should be unless there's a hardware issue or something. you can run a cpu intensive task and observe in (h)top how many are in use. cpu% above 100% means more than one core is in use, eg for 4 cores utilized to max, it'd show 400%
910[13:23:56] <ratrace> jim: now you can use something like `stress` or `sysbench` packages, to stress test all 4 cores, or any other multithreaded/parallel load
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912[13:24:49] <jim> htop shows that all four cores are active... I'm making a pastebin of something, one sec
933[13:35:28] <ratrace> jim: what does /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq say and also /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor ?
934[13:35:51] <ratrace> you can also pick just one, eg. cpu0 .. I don't think those values may change per core
935[13:35:52] <jim> you want to see a cat of those?
997[14:10:11] <ratrace> unlike cpufreq utils "powersave" profile, the pstate WILL ramp up to max MHz . I don't know if it'll turbo, though, if your cpu can even do it
998[14:10:59] <ratrace> jim: right, so either there's a bug in the governor, or there's a hw failure
999[14:12:43] <ksk> Not that laptops offer too many option, but did you try resetting the BIOS? Does the thing run fine in BIOS/Windows?
1000[14:12:45] <jim> is this gopverner -in- the cpu?
1008[14:14:26] <ksk> I know from my AMD desktop that I could (mis)configure the BIOS in such a way the CPU will stay at the lowest available frequency.
1009[14:15:21] <jim> so if that's the case, can I control how the cpu operates from some of the kernel modules?
1022[14:18:25] <ratrace> in which case you really only have two governors, powerformance and powersave . you do want to keep it on powersave by default.
1033[14:26:56] <jim> I'm doing some piano lessons from skoove.com... they involve having the midi from the keyboard controlling something that must be running locally... I have jack running, and these choppynesses sound like they could be jack xruns
1034[14:27:22] <jim> other than that, nothing is really wrong, it seems like a solid machine
1036[14:28:10] <ratrace> well jack and DSP in general requires a bit more latent kernel, by default debian ain't it. maybe there's some buffer somewhre you can adjust though, but I woulnd't know where to even begin looking for one.
1037[14:28:32] <ratrace> uhm... "more latent" I mean... more latency oriented one
1040[14:30:06] <ratrace> maybe RT is actually not needed, but what I was thinkn of is a 1000HZ kernel (debian is 250Hz by default) and maybe even involuntary pre-emption enabled
1045[14:32:12] <ratrace> when I was testing it for gaming, I didn't notice it being crashy, but that was few years ago (hint: didn't improve gaming significantly)
1047[14:32:58] <jim> also, is this 250hz/1000hz the rate at which it checks to see whether it should voluntarily become preempted?
1048[14:33:04] <ratrace> but DSP often works with tiny buffers to reduce audio latency (which is different from kernel latency), and with such small buffers the _kernel_ latency plays a role in stability/choppiness of that audio
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1050[14:33:29] <ratrace> jim: among other things, yes I think so
1079[14:46:24] <jim> I've built the cadence packages for debian, and installed them... but the dependencies were not set properly in the metadata of the package, and so an apt autoremove screwed things up royally, and I had to reinstall debian
1080[14:47:18] <jim> I wasn't ready to go down a forensics rabbit hole either
1089[14:50:19] <jim> because I don't know what EDA is, I cannot answer your question, at least not in a reasonable way where I'm not guessing every or every other point
1091[14:52:01] <jim> all rightey then :) no response. moving on...
1092[14:52:02] <Haohmaru> electronics design CAD
1093[14:52:28] <Haohmaru> but i think that cadence thing was payware so it won't be in debian ;P~
1094[14:53:24] <jim> no, the reason it's not in debian, is that the authors cannot be bothered to author the packages correctly, so they fail as described above
1095[14:54:27] <jim> cadence isn't payware... it's just something where you can configure jack, and it tries to start jack in a way the coexists and cooperates with pulseaudio
1096[14:55:04] <jim> s/in a way the/in a way that it/
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1116[15:01:53] <Haohmaru> then maybe some fancy hotkeys, who knows
1117[15:02:06] <ratrace> sgo11: I use it daily and you wouldn't believe, I still didn't learn all the shortcuts and have to revert to googling for simplest tasks lol
1121[15:03:09] <ratrace> Haohmaru: also no fancy-schmancy thumbnailing GUI plyer that would happily execute windows malware because I happen to have wine installed.... *glares at gnome*
1204[15:39:31] <untakenstupidnic> libc6-dbg has broken dependencies, in buster repos.it depends on an older version of libc6, where you have updated it. also valgrind is broken because of that
1207[15:44:27] <ratrace> untakenstupidnic: did you file a bug report?
1208[15:44:39] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. Yesterday I came here with a USB drive that would not mount due to mount's inability to read the superblock. While running ddrescue, I did other things and didn't come back to this after ddrescue was finished. Now that I have the file from ddrescue, what do I do with it to see what is inside of it?.
1233[15:57:23] <srte> @ratrace true, but I would like to know before booting the actual kernel, even magic from the source, checking the kernel config and so on
1234[15:57:28] <Lady_Aleena> When I try to run sudo fsck -y, I get the help.
1283[16:28:28] <Haohmaru> well this says fsck.ext4.. if it matters
1284[16:29:10] <pwnd_nsfw`> It did matter lol
1285[16:29:25] <pwnd_nsfw`> Assume an answer of 'yes' to all questions; allows e2fsck to be used non-interactively. This option may not be specified at the same time as the -n or -p options.
1291[16:31:39] <Haohmaru> the thing also talks about a "device"
1292[16:31:45] <pwnd_nsfw`> or 7zip
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1294[16:31:54] <pwnd_nsfw`> 7zip will allow you to easily decompress it
1295[16:31:57] <pwnd_nsfw`> extract*
1296[16:32:03] <cdown> Man, I barely even remember writing that. YMMV ;-)
1297[16:32:28] <Lady_Aleena> Let's go back to the beginning...(I will repost what I said a little bit ago.)
1298[16:32:40] <Lady_Aleena> Yesterday I came here with a USB drive that would not mount due to mount's inability to read the superblock. While running ddrescue, I did other things and didn't come back to this after ddrescue was finished. Now that I have the file from ddrescue, what do I do with it to see what is inside of it?
1308[16:34:11] <cdown> Lady_Aleena: If it's really the whole drive, and not a filesystem, you can try (g)fdisk or similar. From there you can then mount the filesystems inside using a loop device.
1309[16:34:21] <cdown> pwnd_nsfw`: A disk image is not an archive.
1310[16:34:30] <pwnd_nsfw`> Thank you
1311[16:35:03] <cdown> Lady_Aleena: You probably want to either make a copy, or mount with rw so that you don't end up writing back to the image file you generated.
1312[16:35:05] <Lady_Aleena> cdown, I used ddrescue on sdd1 not just sdd.
1313[16:35:09] <cdown> Er, mount with ro.
1314[16:35:17] <cdown> Lady_Aleena: Ok, then to find out what's inside, you can use `file` :-)
1358[16:45:34] <cdown> Oh, it's the Debian sbin $PATH stuff again. /me forgot that after not using Debian for many years...
1359[16:46:31] <cdown> It's a bit weird that file claims "DOS/MBR boot sector, code offset 0x0+2", but maybe FAT filesystems just have that at the beginning anyway...
1398[16:54:40] <cdown> If that finds something, then you can look around the same position and maybe find the rest of the file, since it's probably smaller than the smallest allocation size.
1413[17:02:33] <Lady_Aleena> Here is the regex that should be the whole file (just don't ask about the text): 'House Mnemosyniod.+Phorceto'
1414[17:02:37] <ratrace> Lady_Aleena: grep is basically displaying lines where a pattern appears (unless -o ). so with -A and -B you're showing that many lines after or before (respectively) the lines with pattern
1415[17:02:57] <Lady_Aleena> So, -A needs a number?
1416[17:03:05] <cdown> I'm about to head into a meeting, but if this works and you need to find the location that it was found at, you can try `strings -t`
1438[17:16:05] <InnovAnon-Inc> good riddance, then. he's an a-hole anyways. but his tools are legit.
1439[17:17:07] <annadane> ...who?
1440[17:17:15] <Lady_Aleena> I am going to take a risk. My usb drive is 64 GB, and I don't want to just toss it. Now that I have this image of it that I can use if ever needed again, I would like to "reformat" it so that I can use it again. So, where do I read the steps to get this USB up and running for new backups?
1441[17:17:19] <InnovAnon-Inc> simon g, filesystem forensics expert
1442[17:18:05] <Lady_Aleena> Dump the FAT, and use whatever Debian uses.
1443[17:18:17] <annadane> oh right i see context now
1444[17:18:24] <greycat> Any regular partitioning tool. gparted, parted, fdisk, etc.
1445[17:18:55] <greycat> Once partitions are created the way you want, mkfs.whatever. mkfs.ext4 for ext4, and so on.
1461[17:22:29] <annadane> the readme will probably include a list of dependencies you need to install and then tell you how it's compiled
1462[17:23:08] <greycat> Did you try clicking on "Debian stable" in the little chart? It leads to replaced-url
1463[17:23:09] <Lady_Aleena> SOB *head desks* I forgot the root password, so I can't use the GUI GParted.
1464[17:23:22] <greycat> !ifrp
1465[17:23:22] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
1466[17:23:42] <annadane> well, there you go, you can also just read what's on the page
1467[17:23:59] <greycat> ,info magic-wormhole
1468[17:24:00] <judd> Package magic-wormhole (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: Securely and simply transfer data between computers. Version: 0.11.2-1; Size: 139.8k; Installed: 608k; Homepage: replaced-url
1469[17:24:36] <greycat> The /versions page just tells us the Debian package name. Another approach would have been "apt search magic wormhole" or similar.
1477[17:26:20] <Lady_Aleena> How do I get the root password?
1478[17:26:26] <annadane> debian oldstable, that is, not debian stable
1479[17:26:29] <annadane> it has a debian oldstable link
1480[17:26:32] <greycat> Lady_Aleena: you don't. But you can *set* a new one.
1481[17:26:47] <greycat> dpkg, literal ifrp
1482[17:26:47] <dpkg> "ifrp" is "<reply>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt."
1483[17:27:05] <greycat> oh, I thought it would be a redirect telling what IFRP stands for.
1484[17:27:16] <greycat> dpkg literal i forgot root's password
1485[17:27:16] <dpkg> "i forgot root's password" is "<reply>see ifrp"
1486[17:27:26] <greycat> turns out the redirect is the full name :-/
1487[17:28:35] <Lady_Aleena> Or just run gparted from the command line with sudo.
1488[17:29:01] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, why do you need the root password if you can run sudo?
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1490[17:29:39] <greycat> if you can sudo, you can set the root password MUCH more easily than all that grub stuff. just sudo passwd root
1491[17:29:41] <Lady_Aleena> dvs, when I run gparted from alt-f2 in the DE/WM, it asks for the root password.
1516[17:35:43] <greycat> So you want the application to be available to other machines on your local network?
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1518[17:35:57] <rccc> greycat : yes
1519[17:36:21] <greycat> Then those OTHER MACHINES are the ones that need the addition to /etc/hosts. Or fix your DNS server so that it serves up the IP address correctly for this domain name that you claim to own.
1520[17:36:24] <rccc> but i do not want them to type "diogene.local" to acces it but "my.app"
1523[17:37:16] <Lady_Aleena> With gparted, I see 1 partition on sdd. Do I need to create a new partition or just format the partition that is there?
1524[17:37:44] <greycat> Lady_Aleena: if you don't care about CHANGING the number/size of the partitions, you can just exit out of gparted entirely, and simply proceed with the mkfs step.
1525[17:37:59] <greycat> (assuming it's not mounted)
1526[17:38:00] <rccc> from my own machine (not our local server), i already modify the /etc/hosts but this not works
1527[17:38:10] <greycat> rccc: Then those OTHER MACHINES are the ones that need the addition to /etc/hosts. Or fix your DNS server so that it serves up the IP address correctly for this domain name that you claim to own.
1528[17:38:12] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, 1 partition is all I need on backup drives.
1530[17:38:53] <rccc> greycat: many thanks for your response, how i can configure the local DNS, from my internet router ?
1531[17:38:55] <greycat> (and of course you do not use 127.0.0.1 on those other machines -- you use your LAN IP address)
1532[17:38:59] <greycat> ...
1533[17:39:06] <greycat> YOU SAID YOU OWN THIS DOMAIN ANME
1534[17:39:11] <rccc> greycat: i have already did this
1535[17:39:11] <greycat> SO FIX DNS *WORLDWIDE*(
1536[17:39:28] <greycat> I know I'm being lied to. And I'm already screaming in all caps. *plonk*
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1538[17:40:14] <greycat> I should have just /ignored as soon as it became clear that "my.app" was a placeholder for the actual domain name, which was about 5 seconds into the trainwreck.
1552[17:43:35] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, thank you. I looked at man mkfs that sent me to mkfs.ext4 for the fs-options, and there are just so many options in mkfs.ext4.
1553[17:44:23] <rccc> i was thinking i can access my app with 'diogene.local' or 'my.app' from both the local server and my PC
1554[17:44:41] <rccc> by i cannot do this even from the local server
1558[17:46:18] <Lady_Aleena> InnovAnon-Inc, files from $HOME (some configs, text based files, a few spreadsheets, lots of pictures, music, a handful of videos, etc.)
1559[17:46:44] <InnovAnon-Inc> you don't need mkfs.ext4 options.
1560[17:46:44] <Lady_Aleena> Various flavors of XML (HTML, SVG, etc).
1567[17:47:55] <InnovAnon-Inc> leave the settings alone. You'll just slow down the FS. if, for example, you know that only very small or very large files will be on the FS, then sure, play with the settings. Otherwise, don't mess with them. They're pretty decent as they are
1568[17:47:56] <Lady_Aleena> What if I want a label?
1584[17:50:43] <tinga> greycat, how do I learn systemd in 10 minutes?
1585[17:50:56] <greycat> a good intro page is replaced-url
1586[17:51:11] <InnovAnon-Inc> a label won't hurt anything. but the other settings are for if you know what you're doing. specifically, if you've got files/applications that need to be faster. you can experiment with different file systems and their parameters to get better performance. this will require benchmarking. you're just trying to recover data, so you don't need to mess with any settings.
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1604[18:06:42] <jmcnaught> wr: it's not designed to work that way, Debian releases aren't meant to be mixed. You can definitely end up with problems including a partial upgrade to sid. If you absolutely need the version in sid then you could try to backport it from the source package.
1605[18:06:59] <ratrace> !ssb
1606[18:06:59] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
1609[18:07:54] <wr> jmcnaught, so they need to update the buster on keepassxc 2.5.4
1610[18:08:09] <jmcnaught> wr: another option is to install keepassxc as a flatpak which does not interfere with apt/dpkg at all (and can be used as a regular user if other users don't need it.)
1612[18:08:35] <ratrace> wr: I use keepassxc on buster. what features are there on the newer versions that buster is lacking?
1613[18:08:53] <jmcnaught> wr: Debian doesn't work that way, the versions don't change for packages in Debian stable releases, only security fixes get backported with few exceptions.
1618[18:09:17] <annadane> do you *need* those "more options"?
1619[18:09:34] <annadane> !xy problem
1620[18:09:34] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
1621[18:09:41] <ratrace> wr: so which ones of them do you need?
1625[18:11:30] <wr> AppImage? flatpak, i never got to those
1626[18:12:14] <wr> ratrace, there is the source code, that i wanna avoid, if you know what i mean :/
1627[18:12:23] <ratrace> no, sorry, I don't.
1628[18:12:25] <jmcnaught> wr: I like flatpaks but apparently keepassxc devs have made it available as AppImage or snap so you could try either of those if you don't want to try Flatpak. I don't know how to use them though, but someone else will.
1629[18:12:48] <annadane> as a general rule, i'd probably recommend avoiding snaps
1642[18:16:08] <annadane> oh well, not in backports.
1643[18:17:21] <jmcnaught> wr: another idea: use the version in buster for a week and see if it works well enough for you.
1644[18:18:45] <wr> jmcnaught, i use it for years already
1645[18:18:59] <ratrace> not good enough, the version number is too low!
1646[18:19:41] <ratrace> I think you'll maybe feel better in the "btw, I use Archlinux" camp. you get updates so fast, before the upstream devs have released them! :)
1653[18:22:33] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
1665[18:28:00] <badsektor> any help with new SSD installation? created partition, made filesystem, mounted in /home but only root can write to it, how to fix?
1666[18:28:24] <petn-randall> badsektor: You'll need to create directories that are owned by the respective user.
1667[18:28:30] <greycat> The directories that you create inside /home should usually be chown'ed to their respective users.
1668[18:29:28] <greycat> If you already *had* a /home directory on the first disk, then you'll usually want to rsync that onto the new disk. Doing this (correctly) will carry over the ownerships and permissions of the original files.
1669[18:29:59] <badsektor> petn-randall, i created a dir in my /home as my user. but when the SSD is mounted there it becomes owned by root with drwx------
1670[18:30:21] <greycat> after mounting the new /home file system, do "chown whoever /home/whatever" to fix it.
1671[18:31:28] <badsektor> yeah that fixes it, but do i do that after every reboot? i added the line in fstab
1672[18:31:32] * greycat waits for the punchline. I'm betting on "but chown doesn't work, says operation not permitted" ... "what do you mean, I can't use NTFS"
1673[18:31:46] <greycat> No, you only have to do it one time.
1678[18:37:42] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
1696[18:41:34] <ratrace> wr: jokes aside and really in all seriousness, if you need fresh software because it's published on upstream, debian is not for you.
1697[18:41:46] <wr> annadane, i said it yes, it has the new features
1698[18:42:20] <annadane> is this where i plonk?
1699[18:42:38] <greycat> If there is ONE specific application that you need a newer version of, look for a backport. If there is no backport, remove the Debian package of it, and install upstream's version.
1700[18:42:43] <jmcnaught> "Which features?" "New ones." "What are the new feautures?" "They're new."
1701[18:42:44] <wr> annadane, if you see 2.3.4 and 2.5.4 you will the news extra things on menus
1702[18:42:53] <wr> ratrace, no joke
1703[18:42:57] <annadane> yeah,what jmcnaught said
1704[18:42:58] <greycat> If you need newer versions of EVERY FUCKING THING because THE NUMBERS ARE HIGHER, do not use Debian.
1705[18:43:34] <wr> greycat, that is not the point, replaced-url
1711[18:43:57] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
1712[18:43:59] <ratrace> I'm a gentoo ricer, as greycat puts its... but I value debian for its stability and rejection of SNS just because it's shiny new. if I want shiny, I run gentoo chroots on my debians, best of both worlds.
1713[18:44:07] <ratrace> puts it*
1714[18:44:32] <annadane> why not tell us what SPECIFIC features you need from the newer version
1715[18:44:59] <wr> ratrace, this software is stable as a rock, i don't know what Debian thinks of it, but i'm sure is ok
1716[18:45:03] <annadane> and why that makes it better somehow
1723[18:46:20] <greycat> wine is indeed something where upstream version-chasing might be beneficial, as it's a rapidly moving target
1724[18:46:28] <ratrace> wr: debian puts money where its mouth is and doesn't take upstream's word for it. it tests, retests, stabilizies, and puts into next release where it stays put with a loose promise of getting security and bug fixes.
1725[18:46:38] <annadane> (and firefox)
1726[18:46:44] *** Sasara is now known as Maralis
1727[18:46:59] <ratrace> greycat: chrome too because backporting that mess would be ridiculous
1728[18:47:03] <ratrace> chromium*
1729[18:47:36] <greycat> well, I use google's package of google-chrome-stable
1730[18:48:01] <greycat> Debian has a special policy for firefox and chromium because they're so incredibly shit.
1731[18:48:08] <wr> ratrace, i never had a crash on keepassxc or anything inside it on all my machines, and i had things on xfce for example
1732[18:48:12] <greycat> And sadly, so incredibly indispensable.
1733[18:48:21] <abff> webshit gonna shit
1734[18:48:58] <annadane> wr, with all due respect you have no idea what you're talking about, please learn the culture
1787[19:02:23] <abff> although the lv doesn't take up the entire vg
1788[19:02:41] <abff> but the pv does use the entire disk
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1790[19:03:32] <petn-randall> abff: And the luks container successfully opened, and `lvs` is listing the correct LV in question?
1791[19:03:34] <wr> petn-randall, see the date of 2.3.4, the 2.5.4 is april 9, so that SNS quote is crap, i know debian tests things, but saying this is a syndrome when something is out months ago...
1792[19:03:43] <abff> petn-randall: correct!
1793[19:03:55] <petn-randall> wr: You don't know what you're talking about.
1794[19:04:03] <wr> i do
1795[19:04:07] <abff> /dev/vg/lv and /dev/mapper/vg-lv both appear in the file system
1796[19:04:23] <petn-randall> wr: Feel the room, man.
1798[19:05:36] <abff> I think at this point it has nothing to do with lvm, and I just need to repair the fs
1799[19:05:52] <ratrace> wr: debian doesn't upgrade packages to new upstream releases, except in rare cases, for the lifetime of a release. and those rare cases are only those that the secteam has blesses as either "there's no alternative" or "the bump is benign enough, no new features" ... you want new features, which is especially the reason why it'll never get bumped for a release
1800[19:05:54] <wr> the phrase i would expect is just they probably are still testing... not saying that i have syndrome joke when something is many months replaced-url
1801[19:06:13] <wr> Aug 23, 2018
1802[19:06:28] <petn-randall> abff: Can you share the full output of mount the fs in question, and also fsck <filesystem>? → replaced-url
1803[19:06:35] <petn-randall> wr: Try to keep the noise down in here please.
1804[19:06:41] <ratrace> wr: it'll never get into buster. maybe buster-backports, but so far it's apparently impossible due to dependencies
1805[19:06:49] <abff> petn-randall: absolutely, give me a moment
1806[19:07:03] <wr> i get all those parts
1807[19:07:27] <wr> not <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
1808[19:08:15] <petn-randall> wr: Have you tried reading up on those points?
1809[19:08:29] <wr> i will end that topic here
1810[19:09:53] <wr> just that since i have 2.3.4 and that is Aug 2018 Shiny New Shit Syndrome my ass....
1811[19:10:30] <ratrace> but 2.3.4 is not SNS. 2.5.4 is.
1812[19:10:40] <avu> wr: the definition of "new" here is not "less than x months old" but "newer than the version in stable"
1813[19:11:20] <ratrace> indeed. shiny as in "it hasn't grown a patina due to extensive testing". :)
1816[19:11:46] <wr> ratrace, i know it has to be tested
1817[19:12:01] <ratrace> wr: and it IS being, in sid
1818[19:12:14] <ratrace> you'll just never see it in Stable because of the promise for packages in Stable.
1819[19:12:30] <avu> you'll see it in stable, just not in buster :P
1820[19:12:31] <petn-randall> abff: It seems to be a clone of another block device. How did you clone it?
1821[19:12:33] <abff> petn-randall: I haven't tried -all- of the block locations with e2fs -b, I only tried the first 2
1822[19:12:39] <abff> oh I just named it that
1823[19:12:42] <abff> I haven't cloned anything yet
1824[19:12:44] <ratrace> NO version bumps for new features. only bugfixes, security fixes, unless package is special and approved by secteam, like chromium
1825[19:13:04] <ratrace> avu: well yes... next-stable :)
1826[19:13:08] <abff> petn-randall: my intention was to use this to rclone my home directory since it's running in an ssd
1827[19:13:17] <abff> but I already dumped an old home in there
1828[19:13:37] <petn-randall> abff: I don't know what happened here that the filesystem is broken. Maybe you overwrote it somehow?
1842[19:18:32] <petn-randall> abff: I'm thinking you might have closed it in the wrong order, but even then it shouldn't result in a broken superblock.
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1846[19:19:32] <abff> do you know a reliable tool to try and recover it? or am I going tohave to learn things
1847[19:19:48] <petn-randall> abff: If in doubt, recreate the filsystem, and log the exact commands you ran + output. That will make debugging a lot easier.
1848[19:20:03] <abff> that won't clobber the data?
1849[19:20:06] <petn-randall> abff: You could try testdisk to recover any filesystems in existence.
1850[19:20:39] <abff> on it
1851[19:20:46] <abff> thanks for confirming I'm not crazy
1852[19:21:08] <petn-randall> abff: Not really. If it's a SSD you can erase the blocks with blkdiscard(8).
1853[19:21:31] <abff> it's a hard drive I bought to backup the ssd
1854[19:21:57] <petn-randall> Ah, ok. You *can* overwrite that LV with all zeroes, but it shouldn't make a difference.
1855[19:22:03] <Lady_Aleena> If a device (in this case a USB drive) doesn't show up in mount, it is safe to unplug it, right?
1856[19:22:13] <abff> and store encrypted backups of my phone and what not
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1861[19:23:03] <abff> oh neato I didn't know it did that
1862[19:23:12] <petn-randall> Lady_Aleena: Some devices need to be eject'ed first, to give HDDs time to spin down the platters. But for everything else it should be safe.
1902[19:34:53] <miskatonic> what museum? the toy story museum?
1903[19:35:24] <Lady_Aleena> annadane, I have a finite amount of storage, so I have to make sure that I am not putting duplicates into storage, taking up more space.
1904[19:35:40] <annadane> i was just kidding, i kind of thought that was obvious
1915[19:40:46] <Lady_Aleena> And good GUH! I have ~/.adobe/Flash_Player and ~/.macromedia/Flash_Player, and I do not know if I have flash player installed anymore.
1934[19:48:19] <miskatonic> if the flashplayer is installed from the webbrowser, will dpkg even know?
1935[19:48:31] <NetTerminalGene> abff, what game is it. is it free software?
1936[19:48:38] <NetTerminalGene> i am looking for games
1937[19:48:39] <abff> NetTerminalGene: it was a flash game
1938[19:48:44] <NetTerminalGene> :/
1939[19:48:46] <abff> it was not free software
1940[19:48:57] <abff> they made a sequel I think and released it on steam
1941[19:49:06] <annadane> #debian-offtopic might be a better place for this
1942[19:49:10] <invis> is there a debian image without desktop like "debian-minimal.iso" I can't find one
1943[19:49:36] <greycat> are you talking about a *live*? because you can't possibly be talking about the installer, netinst is too obvious and well-known...
1944[19:49:38] <annadane> just don't select a desktop in the installer
1945[19:49:41] <NetTerminalGene> invis, default installer has no desktop
1947[19:50:11] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, I just tried `dpkg --get-selections flash` and it returned nothing. I tried `dpkg -l | grep 'flash'` and it returned "ii flashplugin-nonfree" and "ii pepperflashplugin-nonfree".
1948[19:50:22] <greycat> Lady_Aleena: jesus. christ. on a stick.
1977[20:09:19] <sney> mateusfg7: this is a support channel for debian users. do not private message people without asking, keep all questions in the channel
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2013[20:38:49] <jmcnaught> She left. If she rebooted I hope it comes back up, I don't know how or why one would mask -.mount, or what the side effects would be.
2017[20:41:29] <greycat> my first guess is that it'll fail to cleanly unmount / at shutdown time, so it'll force an fsck at boot time, but I could be way wrong
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2035[20:58:20] <Lady_Aleena> From the pages I read on the web, it looks like gparted had something to do with the error I was getting. The only way to get rid of it was rebooting. My current "systemctl status -- -.mount" is replaced-url
2036[20:58:56] <greycat> ... did you even *try* something normal like "systemctl unmask -- -.mount" before rebooting?
2037[21:00:07] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, I did not know about it, and what I was reading on the web didn't have that option. The pages I read only spoke of rebooting.
2038[21:01:09] <greycat> *sigh*
2039[21:01:24] <greycat> I bet the pages also had the word "ubuntu" on them.
2040[21:01:25] <Lady_Aleena> Sorry to disappoint, but I went by what I read elsewhere.
2061[21:18:16] <Lady_Aleena> miskatonic, exactly. I am guessing on what things are when reading the man for systemctl.
2062[21:18:52] <miskatonic> the glossary is here, and it is called greycat
2063[21:19:16] <greycat> You don't necessarily have to understand every single thing on the first read-through. The important part is to understand the basic concepts, and the basic subcommands, like the fact that "mask" and "unmask" both exist, and are things that you should know about.
2064[21:19:39] <greycat> there are literally hundreds of separate systemd man pages, so whatever you're asking about is probably explained in some other page.
2078[21:32:15] <greycat> startx without being root has always worked in Debian, before and after systemd. What chanted in stretch(?) was that you no longer need X to be setuid root.
2079[21:32:18] <greycat> changed*
2080[21:32:49] <greycat> !xorg.0.log
2081[21:32:49] <dpkg> Xorg.0.log is in /var/log/ unless you are on stretch-or-later and running X as non-root. Then it's in ~/.local/share/xorg/ instead.
2111[21:49:17] <Lady_Aleena> And the top search result for the error says "If a full restart doesn't fix this, start looking into how to unmask a systemd mount (or reinstall the OS if it's easier)." The part in parentheses is pretty harsh.
2112[21:49:56] <Lady_Aleena> ^ on reddit
2113[21:50:03] <greycat> more ubuntu users, I presume
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2126[21:55:19] <sney> if you find out, let me know, but for the past ~20 years I've gotten around that by pasting stuff into a text buffer if I think it needs cleaning up first
2127[21:55:25] <oxek> or perhaps more clearly, seems to cause issues in bash and dash
2135[22:01:13] <cybercrypto> oxek: This guy manage to do that, using putty client on Windows. I am wondering if we could work on a bunch of regex exp to get to something similar?
2155[22:11:03] <sney> and if you're spending a lot of time pasting whole commands into your terminal emulator, you might want to step back and think about why you're doing that
2156[22:11:18] <sney> pasting stuff you found on stackexchange et al is pretty much a linux worst practice
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2159[22:13:07] * Lady_Aleena wonders why so many packages start with 'lib' instead of being more closely name for the programs they are used with.
2160[22:13:47] <sney> !policy
2161[22:13:47] <dpkg> policy is the document that defines how Debian packages should (and must!) interact with each other and with the user to make sure we have a high-quality, stable distribution. You can find it at replaced-url
2162[22:13:50] <greycat> do you... understand what a library is?
2166[22:18:20] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, sure, but the files could be suffixed with "lib" instead of prefixed with "lib". However, this was just an idle thought as I was looking over the list from dpkg -l.
2169[22:22:51] <Lady_Aleena> Like "libgraphviz-dev" could be "graphviz-dev-lib", but that is just my way of thinking. It would be that lib on the list around graphviz. It isn't something big to talk about, just something that crossed my mind.
2192[22:46:45] <DoctorD90> Hey! Hi all! I installed debian 10 from expert mode. All went well. Only 2 issues: 1.Im not able to allow folder on desktop, neither with dconf-editor edit; 2.More important, I cannot see background application running.....like discord or similar. Any help?
2193[22:47:58] <greycat> What desktop environment or window manager are you using? GNOME is infamous for its removal of all desktop icons.
2194[22:49:12] <DoctorD90> excuse me greycat ! you are rigth! I feel myself like a noob...sorry! yes GNOME
2195[22:49:57] <DoctorD90> but i read that changing it in dconf-editor it should works...but nothing :P
2202[22:52:03] <DoctorD90> ok so GNOME removed it and icons from desktop are impossible to get back .....thanks for the update :) about the tray icons? another infamous update?
2204[22:52:39] <greycat> Good luck finding anyone who uses GNOME who can actually explain anything to you. Almost anyone who's capable of learning or explaining things doesn't use it.
2205[22:52:44] <sney> !desktop environment
2206[22:52:45] <dpkg> Desktop environments available for installation on Debian systems include <GNOME>, <KDE>, <XFCE>, <LXDE>, <Cinnamon> and <MATE>. See also <window manager>.
2207[22:52:53] <sney> if you don't like gnome's interface, try one of these other options
2208[22:53:40] <miskatonic> why is gnome3 then the default desktop?
2209[22:53:41] <b1ack0p> DoctorD90: xfce is nice on debian
2210[22:54:06] <greycat> miskatonic: My guess is because GNOME 2.x was the default for so long, and they just assumed people would want to continue letting GNOME be the default...
2211[22:54:20] <sney> miskatonic: history, mostly. but I believe there was a vote at one point.
2212[22:54:39] <sney> xfce was considered for the default for a bit because it was the only one that could fit on a CD-ROM along with the base system
2213[22:54:57] <greycat> in any case, the most important thing to understand is that you don't *have* to use the default -- you can choose anything you want
2221[22:57:21] <annadane> mate is a fork of gnome 2 and cinnamon's a fork of gnome 3 IIRC
2222[22:58:25] <DoctorD90> yes yes greycat but I chosed GNOME because it did what I was looked for :P but it seems it reached the point I dont like it anymore :P
2223[22:58:59] <sney> cinnamon is a good choice if you want a windows-like interface (taskbar on the bottom, menu on the left, systray on the right, icons on the desktop) interface but you don't like kde
2224[23:00:42] <greycat> dpkg, gnome motto is <reply>GNOME: (A Little Worse Every Time|Confusing Users Since 2011|Our Way Or Our Way|You Weren't Really Using That, Were You)™
2228[23:01:32] <DoctorD90> well...i understood I have to test a bit the other :P and maybe reinstall all to have a clean env :P
2229[23:01:41] <miskatonic> many window managers allow to configure the location for the taskbar and so on
2230[23:01:54] <ratrace> iirc there's an extension to bring back desktop icons
2231[23:01:56] <greycat> why do people think they have to reinstall just to change WM/DE?
2232[23:01:56] <sney> miskatonic: so does windows. but this is how it presents out of the box.
2233[23:02:03] <annadane> gnome-boxes is a recommendation on some debian wiki virtualization page and i'm just like "noooooooo"
2234[23:02:13] <ratrace> greycat: because windows
2235[23:02:19] <sney> greycat: I blame l/k/ubuntu
2236[23:03:21] <sney> annadane: better that than virtualbox. it's just a frontend to libvirt. doesn't even pull in much gnome stuff, they should change it to gtk3-boxes or something
2237[23:03:39] <annadane> fair enough, i found it annoying to deal with when i tried it
2238[23:03:56] <annadane> hamburger menus suck, though
2239[23:03:59] <ratrace> gnome boxes dropped a lot of functionality over time. I think it's just a few buttons now
2240[23:04:11] <sney> it's only really good for short-term testing. production virtualization is a whole nother animal
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2242[23:04:36] <sney> but all you need is "define this disk, boot from this iso, use this network configuration" so it doesn't really *need* more than a couple of buttons
2243[23:04:49] <ratrace> I scripted qemu-system-x86_64 from the command line, it's really simple.
2252[23:12:34] <Leon_DEV> Hello, is it normal that the stretch security packages repository has older package versions than the stretch packages repository? Example: replaced-url
2253[23:12:45] <miskatonic> torvalds mentioned a few addons which made gnome3 for him usable again
2262[23:21:09] <Leon_DEV> greycat: Ok. I have the problem that the security version is preferred but i need the non security version. Is their a solution other to removing the security repository from sources.list? And how could i avoid this situation in the future?
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2269[23:27:18] <DoctorD90> greycat, because my previous experience to use different DEs on same machine created a lot of issues :P being a new machine it will be faster a reset :P
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2279[23:32:44] <invis> is i386 for intel? not sure if it change anything about that but my usb key doesn't boot on my lap top I've used debian-bullseye-DI-alpha2-i386-netinst.iso with dd
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2281[23:33:15] <greycat> i386 is 32-bit PC, amd64 is 64-bit PC
2282[23:33:23] <invis> oh
2283[23:33:46] <greycat> bullseye is not a stable release, and if you have problems with it, the support channels for non-stable stuff are all on the other IRC network
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