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2 [00:00:12] <petn-randall> linux_user: I'll help you if you paste your config and *your* actual error message.
3 [00:00:15] <linux_user> what configuration differences betwixt his and mine would be important?
4 [00:00:32] <linux_user> again, that CANT HAPPEN. DO YOU READ? I said, its on a different network with no internet connection.
5 [00:00:34] <petn-randall> linux_user: Because those might be the issue why your daemon is not starting?
6 [00:00:40] <linux_user> I understand
7 [00:00:44] <linux_user> but I cannot paste it
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13 [00:00:53] <petn-randall> linux_user: Find help elsewhere.
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15 [00:02:00] <flayer> fuuuccck
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19 [00:05:29] <b1ackandwh1te> 'CANT HAPPEN. DO YOU READ?' the more kind and clear you be the faster you will get an answer.
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110 [01:36:14] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys i was upgrading my debian machine during full upgrade and forgot to plug in my battery
111 [01:36:33] <Psil0Cybin> now i am having trouble i luaunched a previous kernel and did dpkg --configure -a and im stiill having errors installing the new kernel
112 [01:36:41] <Psil0Cybin> what can i do to remove the problem i caused and perhaps try a full upgrade again?
113 [01:36:46] <Psil0Cybin> What are my options?
114 [01:37:22] <jmcnaught> It depends on the errors.
115 [01:37:36] <Psil0Cybin> i basically keep getting dpkg dependency proboem, prevent configuration of linuix image amd64 linux-image-ammd64 depends on linux image 5.6.0
116 [01:37:45] <Psil0Cybin> however pakckage linux image is not configured yhet
117 [01:37:51] <Psil0Cybin> error processing package linux image --configure
118 [01:38:11] <Psil0Cybin> i tried dpkg --configure -a
119 [01:38:21] <Psil0Cybin> it seemed to fix a bunch of packages, but the kernel and headers are not getting installed or configured
120 [01:38:28] <Psil0Cybin> and keep having that issue
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122 [01:38:46] <dvs> But you're upgrading past buster.
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124 [01:39:47] <Psil0Cybin> ok so what can i do as i cannot enter my box unless iuse old kernel
125 [01:39:54] <Psil0Cybin> and now i cannot upgrade my dist
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127 [01:41:27] <jmcnaught> !bat
128 [01:41:27] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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130 [01:42:28] <Psil0Cybin> ok
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132 [01:43:07] <jmcnaught> If you cannot use a browser right now an alternative is to pipe commands to 'nc termbin.com 9999'
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140 [01:47:59] <flayer> yikes
141 [01:48:14] <Psil0Cybin> guys seemed to fix my issue automatically even though it gav eme that strange error it seemed to boot into the kernel fine
142 [01:48:20] <Psil0Cybin> no more eror messages? very wierd.
143 [01:48:24] <Psil0Cybin> seemed like a false positive.
144 [01:49:22] <Psil0Cybin> thanks jmcnaught , dvs
145 [01:49:35] <Psil0Cybin> again for moral support wierdest thing, i mean i was expecting it to fail again but i guess it did not
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167 [02:10:26] <jim> so I forgot a word... on boot, my installation complains that I should upgrade this thing to version 22 at least, and the package name is intel-(the forgotten word)
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172 [02:11:53] <jim> found it! microcode!
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208 [02:45:33] <Akuw> hi, to restart ntp service in debian "systemctl restart ntp" ?
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211 [02:45:56] <Akuw> i need to doit because i change ntp server
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215 [02:48:50] <somiaj> what ntp server are you using? there are mutliple, so the service name depends on the name, but yes that ish ow to restart it with systemd
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218 [02:49:38] <Akuw> after change ntpserver i have only to restart ntp?
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220 [02:49:47] <Akuw> or i need to do something else
221 [02:50:56] <somiaj> that should be enough
222 [02:51:27] <somiaj> only thing is make sure you know what ntp server is being used, systemd has its own internal one it uses if you haven't installed some other one like ntpd
223 [02:51:58] <Akuw> the strange thing is one host has faster delay than other
224 [02:52:05] <Akuw> and both using same ntp server
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226 [02:52:38] <Akuw> host 1 : 3.850 host 2 : 7.851
227 [02:53:29] <Akuw> when i ping there are diference too time=4.04 and time=7.06
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241 [03:10:29] <Akuw> there diference in ping delay can be the reason? i mean, a delay in the net
242 [03:10:30] <Akuw> ?
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249 [03:30:07] <petn-randall> Akuw: Yes, you ping time is measuring the network delay. So the same as you see with `ntpq -p`.
250 [03:30:28] <Akuw> then there is a important delay}
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254 [03:33:18] <bracham> so looking at switching my home server from ubuntu server to debian. after setting up the OS, the rest of the setup should be near identical, eh?
255 [03:34:12] <sney> pretty much
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264 [03:39:40] <bracham> didn't ubuntu initially start off from debian?
265 [03:40:54] <sney> yes, and they still use debian sid as the basis for their OS to this day.
266 [03:41:53] <b1ackandwh1te> funny.
267 [03:42:11] <bracham> sid?
268 [03:42:12] <sney> they rebuild the packages and apply their own patches in many cases, so it's not the same thing by a long shot, but there is still a lot of overlap
269 [03:42:15] <sney> !sid
270 [03:42:15] <dpkg> somebody said sid was the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
271 [03:42:52] <sney> ... sid is debian unstable, it's where packages are uploaded first as the beginning of the debian development process
272 [03:42:53] <bracham> ah ok, thanks
273 [03:43:51] <imMute> and many Ubuntu devs are also Debian Developers
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275 [03:44:53] <bracham> interesting
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284 [03:52:04] <bracham> i just don't feel i need quite all the "ease of use" features of ubuntu anymore, and honestly i left windows partially cuz microsoft is huge and i don't trust them. canonical is nowhere near as huge, but i haven't been liking some of the stuff i've been reading about them lately.
285 [03:53:03] <bracham> i don't trust google either, which is one reason i've been setting up my own server, so i can migrate all my google drive stuff to my own server.
286 [03:53:50] <bracham> gmail will be more difficult, but i can move to my isp offered emails
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292 [03:55:43] <budlight> hi
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300 [03:59:13] <b1ackandwh1te> (i trust my mom)
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302 [04:01:22] <petn-randall> bracham: Word of advice, I'd pay a trustworthy company to host mail. It's a PITA to run yourself, keeping it spam-free and safe without sinking a lot of time in it.
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308 [04:04:20] <bracham> petn-randall, well that's why i'd take advantage of the up to 10 free email addresses my ISP offers
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311 [04:08:53] <bracham> petn-randall, i'm using one so far (well, two including the one i got for a friend), but that means i have eight more available. which makes it easy to replace the three or four gmail accounts i currently have lol
312 [04:11:18] <petn-randall> bracham: I've never used gmail, but I have been running my own MX for several years now. And figuring out why outlook just swallows your mail, to setting up the right things, that stuff just costs too much time. More than any other service I'm running.
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314 [04:11:41] <petn-randall> bracham: So if I had a time-machine, I'd tell myself to spare the time and just let someone do it that knows about it.
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317 [04:13:39] <bracham> petn-randall, well, outlook swallows your mail cuz it's a microsoft program! lol
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377 [05:37:11] <cybrNaut> i'm trying to paste to replaced-url
378 [05:37:15] <cybrNaut> the pastebin service is mistaking Ada code for spam
379 [05:37:24] <cybrNaut> i'm on Tor, which has never been a problem before. Even if I change exit nodes, same false positive
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384 [05:40:16] <keebler> Anyone have a better file recovery solution than testdisk and photoreq?
385 [05:40:59] <keebler> damn, wrong channel
386 [05:41:25] <keebler> although, I guess this crowd would be just as applicable.
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398 [05:58:56] <b1ackandwh1te> cybrNaut, do you reeeeeeally need tor?
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403 [06:00:24] <b1ackandwh1te> cybrNaut, for example you are edward snowden broder and stuff?
404 [06:00:30] <mad_monk> i am trying to under the diff command option "--horizon-lines=NUM". Can any one point me to a use case or sample set to understand when and how to use this option?
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412 [06:13:53] <cybrNaut> b1ackandwh1te: "need" comes in many shades of gray in terms of intensity.
413 [06:14:23] <cybrNaut> my survival does not rely on Tor, but my civil liberties centric activism does
414 [06:15:02] <cybrNaut> social justice is quite tor-dependant
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416 [06:18:21] <EdePopede> Tor is an acronym for "a few idiots break it for everybody else"
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418 [06:18:32] <b1ackandwh1te> im sorry *I* cant help with this specific issue. wait a couple of minutes or post again later. you may get better luck.
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420 [06:21:11] <EdePopede> cybrNaut: sure it is not the code and nothing but the code? i remember somebody mentioning something similar not too long ago, not sure if on freenode with a similar background like you or on another network just wondering.
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424 [06:26:01] <cybrNaut> it was a couple days ago, actually. I originally wrote to the ##debian channel. Then I just now realized that's a dead place and copied it here so whoever maintains that can become aware that false positives are happening
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426 [06:26:53] <b1ackandwh1te> cybrNaut, why the heck you dont post in another pastebin service? why only in paste.debian.net? there are so many...
427 [06:26:54] <cybrNaut> i ended up pasting it on nzxj65x32vh2fkhk.onion, but that limited my audience
428 [06:27:25] <cybrNaut> most of the pastebins are Tor-hostile. debian.net is normally permissive
429 [06:29:10] <EdePopede> cybrNaut: is nzxj65x32vh2fkhk.onion.ws the same?
430 [06:29:23] <cybrNaut> guess i could tell ppl to add a .sh to the end
431 [06:29:32] <b1ackandwh1te> well may be like EdePopede told, may be a bug in the *code* pasted.
432 [06:30:09] <cybrNaut> ws looks like another onion gateway service, so that could also work in a pinch
433 [06:31:00] <EdePopede> onion.sh uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate expired on 05/27/2020 12:27 AM. The current time is 05/27/2020 06:30 AM.
434 [06:31:12] * EdePopede tries to look confused
435 [06:31:36] <EdePopede> 12<5, well done Murica Oo
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439 [06:35:43] <b1ackandwh1te> cybrNaut, post the thing in #flood, let us take a look (my curiosity).
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441 [06:36:38] <cybrNaut> i wish i kept a copy. That code has been overhauled
442 [06:37:14] <cybrNaut> it was an ada package spec and body
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444 [06:39:15] <cybrNaut> i just now tried a random blob of ada code and have no issue.
445 [06:40:38] <cybrNaut> the time of the anti-spam blocking was "[2020-05-24] 17:30".. so if someone has access to logs that may help
446 [06:40:54] <cybrNaut> (shortly before that time, actually)
447 [06:41:28] <cybrNaut> probably close to 17:20
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449 [06:43:59] <bolovanos> hithere - I have extended partition under which I have free space replaced-url
450 [06:46:42] <b1ackandwh1te> 300GiB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
451 [06:46:46] <cybrNaut> bolovanos: you probably have to shrink the extended partition (/dev/sda2)
452 [06:46:58] <b1ackandwh1te> sorry i saw T
453 [06:48:48] <b1ackandwh1te> actually i see G but think T, the mind is tricky.
454 [06:50:21] <bolovanos> b1ackandwh1te, :D
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456 [06:52:09] <bolovanos> cybrNaut, you are right - I was mangling with that extended partition (locking, unlocking, resizing, ...) which for some opperation worked, for some not, few steps were applicable only from cmd, that I forgot that resizing extended is possible after resizing sda5
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458 [06:52:20] <bolovanos> cybrNaut, thank you - it of course worked :)
459 [06:52:20] <nvz> remnds me of that episode of are you smarter than a 5th grader where Jeff Foxworthy says something like you need to pay attention, and the woman says I am, I just only hear what I want to.. and he says "thats just called bein a woman" heh.. the seeing something small and thinking its big.. well. thats just called bein a man :P
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474 [07:01:46] <bolovanos> cybrNaut, but for some reason I am unable to see that primary partition I have created apart from extended one, in windows. Any idea?
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579 [09:45:04] <n_1-c_k> On <replaced-url
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592 [09:58:58] <sussudio> broken-ass network.
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595 [10:01:19] <themill> n_1-c_k: the upload of the built package needed a manual kick which has now been done. Should appear soon
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599 [10:02:45] <themill> (It's there now btw)
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684 [10:38:32] <gryffus> Hello, is cdimage.debian.org down? Is there any mirror please?
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686 [10:40:42] <ansimita> gryffus: Seems like it... Mirrors: replaced-url
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688 [10:41:31] <gryffus> ansimita, thanks
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710 [11:17:04] <gryffus> In Debian preside, what is the difference between base-installer/includes and pkgsel/include ?
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712 [11:17:12] <gryffus> *preseed
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720 [11:29:28] <n_1-c_k> themill, yes I just tried again and here it is - thanks!
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727 [11:35:51] <Cork> hmm what is writing /etc/resolv.conf in debian 10?
728 [11:36:05] <Cork> resolvconf isn't installed but it is still updated every minute or so
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734 [11:38:29] <Haohmaru> probably a network manager thing
735 [11:38:44] <netvixtra> network service does edit it
736 [11:38:52] <netvixtra> but you can stop it from beeing edited
737 [11:38:56] <netvixtra> probably not a good thing
738 [11:39:00] <miskatonic> based on systemd?
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741 [11:41:41] <Cork> i suspect so ya, but what :)
742 [11:42:24] <Cork> systemd-resolvd uses symlink and isn't active so it isn't that
743 [11:42:25] <Haohmaru> wicd maybe?
744 [11:42:49] <Cork> not installed
745 [11:43:05] <Cork> this is a non desktop install btw
746 [11:43:14] <Cork> a labserver to be exact
747 [11:43:37] <Haohmaru> no idea then
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749 [11:44:25] <netvixtra> Cork: you can set the proper nameservers in the interface configuration file
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751 [11:45:11] <Cork> netvixtra: ah, good point thx!
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801 [12:35:56] <Deano59> hi there! there is an ISO that supports chosing from stable, testing and unstable. which one do I download for this?
802 [12:36:17] <Deano59> I can't remember which one I picked!
803 [12:37:43] <Haohmaru> can you rephrase your question?
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805 [12:39:00] <Deano59> not sure how to...
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814 [12:54:20] <Deano59> what does this mean; "no kernel modules found, this is likely due to a mismatch between your release and the release in the archive" ???
815 [12:54:44] <Deano59> yes, I tried a different mirror...
816 [12:55:18] <syrax> Hello everyone
817 [12:55:41] <gasull> I have set apt-pinning so I'm running stable but I can install packages from unstable. The problem is that in some cases I get a lot of dependencies. How can I tell apt to pull all the dependencies from unstable?
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822 [12:57:51] <syrax> How can I get a resource on Learning "Systemd", and making socket files?
823 [12:57:55] <Haohmaru> Deano59 what are you doing?
824 [12:58:06] <Deano59> trying to install testing Haohmaru
825 [12:58:48] <Haohmaru> okay, FIY, debian testing is not supported here (only debian stable), you should go to the OFTC network
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827 [12:59:11] <Deano59> replaced-url
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870 [13:19:42] <ksk> DKNG: the supported way of installing testing is installing stable, and then upgrading.
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872 [13:19:49] <ksk> eh sorry, wrong highlight..
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874 [13:21:46] <Haohmaru> he gone
875 [13:23:10] <gryffus> Anyone with pressed experiences please?
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879 [13:25:16] <tarzeau> gryffus: we use that 15 years, collegues do it :)
880 [13:25:22] <SmellyCat> I'm about to install wireguard on a debian10 install using backports. Following the backports.debian.org/instructions page, I have added the repo + apt update. When I do "apt install wireguard", it propmts to install binutils, gcc, wireguard, etc and kernel 4.19.0.9, which is a pretty much the same as I'm running now. If I do "apt -t buster-backports install wireguard" it prompts to install "only" kernel 5.5.0.0-bp0.2 , wireguard
881 [13:25:22] <SmellyCat> and wireguard-tools. I'm not sure what the best option is for a (soon to be) production server... Stick with the 4.19 kernel and ignore the instruction on the backports page? Can anyone advise?
882 [13:25:29] <tarzeau> gryffus: maybe state your problem?
883 [13:25:44] <gryffus> tarzeau, please, do you know what is the difference between base-installer/includes and pkgsel/include ?
884 [13:25:59] <gryffus> I would like to install a system automatically with my defined packages
885 [13:26:41] <tarzeau> gryffus: we define packages with aptitude-robot and configs with ansible, the preseeding is only used to get a base running with ssh server and our keys read (partitioning mainly)
886 [13:26:49] <tarzeau> gryffus: i can't answer your question, sorry
887 [13:27:08] <gryffus> Ok, no problem, I will just wait a little more
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890 [13:29:24] <dvs> SmellyCat, you didn't read the "Install A Package from Backport" instructions carefully.
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895 [13:35:09] <miskatonic> isn't installing testing only recommended for VM boxes?
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903 [13:42:55] <abrotman> what?
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915 [14:06:05] <cyveris> Installing testing is only recommended for testing purposes.
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924 [14:13:33] <forester> Hullo. My PC has gcc-9 and gcc-10. When I make in terminal: gcc --version , then gcc-9 is shown. To compile linux kernel: kernel-package and build-essential is needed. But they both are linked with gcc-9. Question: How to compile custom kernel with gcc-10?
925 [14:15:00] <towo^work> forester, make CC=gcc-10 HOSTCC=gcc-10 bindeb-pkg -jN
926 [14:15:17] <dvs> forester, you don't need kernel-package anymore
927 [14:15:40] <forester> Thank you.
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931 [14:19:29] <SmellyCat> dvs: That section states that "backports are disabled by default. Use apt -t buster-backports to ...". Then where does wireguard come from if I do "apt install wireguard"? If I don't add the backports repo to sources.list, that pkg is not available; if I add the repo it's available, even without the "-t buster-backports" argument.
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933 [14:20:27] <dvs> ,v wireguard
934 [14:20:28] <judd> Package: wireguard on amd64 -- buster-backports: 1.0.20200513-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1.0.20200513-1; sid: 1.0.20200513-1
935 [14:21:02] <dvs> SmellyCat, what does "apt-cache policy wireguard" say?
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937 [14:22:28] <SmellyCat> dvs: replaced-url
938 [14:23:10] <SmellyCat> (just now passed the captcha test)
939 [14:24:00] <miskatonic> pastebin requires captcha?
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941 [14:24:35] <SmellyCat> Because I have javascript disabled probably
942 [14:24:42] <sgo11> hi, to increase user soft ulimit open files, I have to use /etc/security/limits.conf to make it work. What's wrong with /etc/systemd/system.conf and /etc/systemd/user.conf? I set the value in systemd, but doesn't work at all.
943 [14:24:52] <gryffus> Where can I find a possible configuration values for a Debian preseed.cfg ? I need specifically possible options for "partman-auto/init_autimatically_partition"
944 [14:24:53] <dvs> SmellyCat, well, the buster-backports repo is the only one that has wireguard in it but wireguard may require dependencies that are in buster-backports
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946 [14:25:17] <liquid-silence> hmm ok coming from Arch and i3 to debian and dwm I am sold!
947 [14:25:23] <liquid-silence> wow
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950 [14:28:34] <miskatonic> i3 also works on debian
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953 [14:30:59] <SmellyCat> dvs: this is the output of apt with and without the -t replaced-url
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955 [14:33:25] <liquid-silence> yeah currenrly just trying to get my audio working
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958 [14:34:02] <SmellyCat> To me it looks like the difference that without the "-t" will build wireguard as a dkms kernel module, while with the "-t" will install a kernel in which it's integrated by default.
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961 [14:35:26] <liquid-silence> audio is still a pain
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964 [14:36:53] <SmellyCat> That would make the without -t more attractive for a production server I guess... regarding future updates
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967 [14:37:16] <rain1> replaced-url
968 [14:37:24] <rain1> how do i get more recent versions of debian with rbenv?
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971 [14:38:17] <bomb> liquid-silence: what's the problem with audio?
972 [14:38:58] <liquid-silence> its not seeing my onboard audio
973 [14:39:07] <liquid-silence> only my HDMI
974 [14:39:31] <dvs> SmellyCat, the -t enables the buster-backports repo with the kernel that wireguard depends onl
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977 [14:41:40] <dvs> SmellyCat, you should install the linux-image-amd64 package from the buster-backports repo so that the wireguard dependencies are satisfied.
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979 [14:43:03] <SmellyCat> dvs: yes, noted. So then where does wireguard come from if I don't use the -t. Does the -t enable the use of the burster-backports repo _for dependencies_ ? (thanks for putting up with my "neverending" quest :)
980 [14:43:21] <SmellyCat> ok, I'll try the linux-image suggestion
981 [14:44:08] <dvs> SmellyCat, yes, exactly. The -t enables the dependencies from buster-backports
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984 [14:47:30] <rain1> help
985 [14:47:38] <dvs> !ask
986 [14:47:38] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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990 [14:49:11] <SmellyCat> What can I expect regarding future upgrades if I install a kernel from backports. E.g. will it be kept up-to-date by unattended upgrades?
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992 [14:49:47] <dvs> SmellyCat, if you install the linux-image-amd64 package from buster-backports, yes
993 [14:50:15] <SmellyCat> great, thanks for the help!
994 [14:50:52] <dvs> np
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1002 [14:55:33] <carlosdoe> other than scapy
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1008 [15:01:49] <metbsd> is there group install deinstall in debian
1009 [15:01:56] <metbsd> i want to remove all gui
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1014 [15:04:54] <tesla_> hello, i have an encrypted /home partition and when i install a custom kernel made with 'make defconfig' the system will fail to boot. i followed the instructions from the debian-kernel-handbook part 4.5
1015 [15:05:09] <tesla_> any pointers as to why this might be??
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1019 [15:05:54] <dvs> tesla_, why not copy the config files from the /boot directory as a base?
1020 [15:06:35] <tesla_> oh i didn't think of that lol.. i'll give that a shot thanks
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1028 [15:11:00] <ksk> tesla_: normally, you do "make oldconfig", or thats what I know..
1029 [15:11:16] <ksk> this applies everything "like the kernel that is running at the moment" and asks you about stuff that is new
1030 [15:11:55] <ksk> and without the message you get on boot, we can only guess. Did you forget support for: filesystem, lvm, encryption, hardware?
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1040 [15:19:36] <tesla_> ksk, i'll try with the config in /boot or the oldconfig setup and come back if i don't have any luck, thanks for the hints
1041 [15:20:04] <dvs> tesla_, you need to do both
1042 [15:20:15] <dvs> tesla_, first copy the config then run oldconfig.
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1044 [15:21:06] <tesla_> alright, i'll give them a try cheers
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1073 [15:44:50] <ws2k3> im running a command on my laptop that should not die. i know if i use ctrl + z i can put it into the background. can i close my laptop then?
1074 [15:45:10] <ws2k3> the command runs on a remote server. so not localy only the output is localy
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1077 [15:48:33] <ratrace> ws2k3: if it's not through tmux or ssh, you'll sever the connection and orphan the processes you've started which I think will just be reaped if not killed by disappearing ssh session
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1080 [15:49:19] <ws2k3> ratrace: its a kubectl exec
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1083 [15:49:54] <ws2k3> ratrace: i dont require to see the output again. but it would be nice if the command would keep running until its finished
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1085 [15:50:15] <ratrace> ws2k3: I don't know what it is. if you disconnect from ssh, all child processes, backgrounded or not, will be killed or reaped
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1133 [16:34:24] <n_1-c_k> ratrace, that must be conditional on something? I just tried it and my process survived, though it was reparented to 1.
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1139 [16:40:10] <n_1-c_k> Seems to be logind.conf(5)
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1146 [16:49:07] <HyperTables> hello folks. where can I find a download for debian-live-10.3.0-amd64-xfce.iso ? this is like one version behind "current" and I don't know where to find it again
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1149 [16:49:23] <greycat> !debian-live
1150 [16:49:24] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. NOT recommended for installing Debian. Live images are available from replaced-url
1151 [16:49:35] <greycat> That channel might know.
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1155 [16:49:59] <greycat> (note, irc.debian.org = OFTC, which is NOT HERE)
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1157 [16:50:12] <HyperTables> hm
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1167 [17:01:47] <f8e4> how to disable paging?
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1169 [17:02:35] <f8e4> eg alias stats='sudo systemctl status foo-*' enters a pager
1170 [17:03:07] <greycat> "man systemctl"
1171 [17:03:32] <greycat> hint: search for "pager"
1172 [17:03:36] <HyperTables> sometimes you can override it with an environment variable like PAGER=cat
1173 [17:04:12] <HyperTables> also if you're thinking of scripting it it will likely not page when it isn't attached to a terminal anyhow
1174 [17:04:46] <f8e4> greycat got it , thank you
1175 [17:05:08] <miskatonic> my pager is /bin/cat. If I need something to scroll back, I use a pipe
1176 [17:05:15] <greycat> It's an alias, so it won't fire inside a script anyway. Unless he goes out of his way to make it do so.
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1224 [17:53:45] <oxek> will something break if I use papirus-icon-theme and do `apt purge adwaita-icon-theme tango-icon-theme`?
1225 [17:54:04] <oxek> are those icon themes that are installed by default important for something?
1226 [17:56:22] <greycat> TIAS
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1243 [18:02:27] <oxek> with my luck it's gonna break grub or something
1244 [18:02:51] <miskatonic> or the uefi
1245 [18:03:00] <oxek> I already have the issue that firefox-esr does not display its icon in the panel
1246 [18:03:11] <oxek> thought it would get fixed by installing another icon pack
1247 [18:03:13] <oxek> but it did not
1248 [18:03:31] <oxek> apparently it is a bug in xfce as included in debian that is known but cannot be fixed
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1251 [18:04:23] <miskatonic> can xfce's panel be disactivated and replaced with some third-party panel?
1252 [18:04:49] <oxek> yeah, plank I think
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1254 [18:07:40] <miskatonic> likewise, keeping the themes installed but using a non-default one should not be impossible
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1272 [18:21:26] <oxek> Anyone here use debian-stable with xfce? When you launch Firefox, do you have a working icon in the panel?
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1296 [18:40:44] <markus64> Could someone please help me out with troubleshooting a networking problem in a Buster installation? I have a desktop with onboard networking. The networking was working yesterday. Two things have happened since. At the end of the day yesterday, before shutting down for the day, I installed an update to the "bind9-host" package and 8 related
1297 [18:40:44] <markus64> libs. This morning, I also opened up the tower to install a new hard drive, unplugging and re-inserting the ethernet cord in the process and doing some light dust vacuuming while I was in there. I do not see how I could have physically damaged the NIC or plug, but it's not working anymore. I'm using XFCE, and the NetworkManager Applet is not
1298 [18:40:45] <markus64> able to bring the connection up. The lights on the ethernet jack are also off. I have tried re-seating the ethernet cable, to no effect. I also tried plugging it into a laptop, and the laptop was able to use the ethernet connection with no issue. I don't know precisely what BIND does or if it could cause something like this. Can anyone help me
1299 [18:40:45] <markus64> determine whether this is a hardware or software issue and how to resolve it?
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1302 [18:43:01] <sney> markus64: bind is a dns server, it can cause some networking problems but not the ones you describe. can you still see the network card in lspci? is it possible there was also a kernel upgrade in the list?
1303 [18:44:57] <markus64> sney: Yes, I can see it in lspci. No, the only updates were bind9-host and 8 lib dependencies.
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1308 [18:47:39] <sney> markus64: look in dmesg for clues, pay attention to lines mentioning your ethernet driver (lspci -k to find out what that is)
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1323 [19:00:00] <markus64> sney: There was a kernel upgrade 10 days ago, but I'm virtually certain the machine was restarted since then with networking working fine. Trying to look for clues in dmesg, but I don't see anything that looks particularly troubling to my un-knowledgeable eyes. The most recent message was "[ 889.492649] RTL8211B Gigabit Ethernet r8169-200:00:
1324 [19:00:01] <markus64> attached PHY driver [RTL8211B Gigabit Ethernet] (mii_bus:phy_addr=r8169-200:00, irq=IGNORE)" (I manually transcribed that, so there could be typos, though I was careful.) Immediately following that is "[ 889.643700] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): enp2s0: link is not ready". I don't use IPv6, though, so I don't necessarily find that last bit
1325 [19:00:01] <markus64> troubling...
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1366 [19:37:09] <Ticho> wow, now they're discussing what music someone on twitter suggested that the astronaut listen to while travelling to the launch site
1367 [19:37:20] <Ticho> are we Idiocracy yet?
1368 [19:37:35] <sney> wrong window?
1369 [19:37:45] <Ticho> hm, I guess
1370 [19:37:57] <Ticho> apologies
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1391 [19:55:21] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. Which dir do I look in to see every drive plugged into my system even those not mounted?
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1393 [19:56:41] <sney> /dev
1394 [19:56:47] <imMute> Lady_Aleena: /dev/disk/
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1398 [19:59:38] <Lady_Aleena> sney, imMute: Thanks...now to figure out how to get into the usb drive I just plugged in.
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1402 [20:00:32] <sney> Lady_Aleena: standard procedure is 'dmesg |tail' to see the name of the just-connected device, then mount /dev/sdd1 /media/cdrom
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1404 [20:01:03] <Lady_Aleena> sney, why are you using cdrom?
1405 [20:01:15] <sney> because it's an empty directory that's already there
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1407 [20:02:25] <Lady_Aleena> What if I were playing a cd?
1408 [20:02:47] <sney> playing cd audio does not mount a filesystem
1409 [20:03:18] <sney> it doesn't matter where you mount it. but I find that having it there is an easy reminder that it's removable media.
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1414 [20:07:16] <RoyK> Lady_Aleena: just run dmesg -T and it'll show up
1415 [20:07:21] <Lady_Aleena> mount: /media/backup: can't read superblock on /dev/sdd1.
1416 [20:07:23] <RoyK> Lady_Aleena: or just lsblk
1417 [20:07:54] <Lady_Aleena> How do I mount it when it can't read the superblock?
1418 [20:08:16] <RoyK> Lady_Aleena: pastebin output of lsblk and dmesg, please
1419 [20:08:18] <EdePopede> Lady_Aleena: file -s /dev/sdd1
1420 [20:08:36] <RoyK> that too
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1422 [20:10:01] <dbristow> lsblk is also useful
1423 [20:10:14] <RoyK> (as mentioned above)
1424 [20:10:16] <Lady_Aleena> replaced-url
1425 [20:10:23] <dbristow> Lady_Aleena: Try using lsblk
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1427 [20:10:35] <Lady_Aleena> lsblk, dmesg, and file output all in the above
1428 [20:11:18] <RoyK> sudo file -s /dev/sdd1
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1431 [20:12:33] <Lady_Aleena> /dev/sdd1: DOS/MBR boot sector, code offset 0x0+2, OEM-ID " ", sectors/cluster 64, reserved sectors 10, Media descriptor 0xf8, sectors/track 63, heads 255, hidden sectors 32, sectors 125031648 (volumes > 32 MB), FAT (32 bit), sectors/FAT 15259, reserved 0x1, serial number 0x388fe392, label: "my_backup "
1432 [20:12:36] <RoyK> and no, don't post your password here ;)
1433 [20:12:50] <RoyK> huh?
1434 [20:13:08] <RoyK> try "mount /dev/sdd1 /somewhere"
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1436 [20:13:14] <RoyK> add a sudo to that
1437 [20:13:41] <Lady_Aleena> RoyK, tried that, and it says "can't read superblock"
1438 [20:13:58] <RoyK> replaced-url
1439 [20:14:00] <GNU\colossus> fat32 is a bad choice for storing backups anyway
1440 [20:14:07] <greycat> someone write the MBR to a partition on that disk? weird.
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1442 [20:14:26] <RoyK> what's interesting is that the MBR is on a partition, as greycat says
1443 [20:14:36] <Lady_Aleena> GNU\colossus, that is how the flash drive was when I started saving things to it.
1444 [20:14:37] <RoyK> it should be on the start of the disk
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1446 [20:16:27] <Lady_Aleena> So, is there a way to say "I don't care if you can't read the superblock, mount the thing anyway!"
1447 [20:16:35] <greycat> Also implied here, the first partition generally shouldn't be right at the start of the disk. There's usually a small gap left for the MBR to fit in, before the first partition.
1448 [20:17:08] <RoyK> Lady_Aleena: if you have the data elsewhere, just put a new filesystem on that after repartitioning - if you need the data there, dd the full partition or drive to somewhere local and recover later with something like photorec
1449 [20:17:57] <Lady_Aleena> RoyK, I want to look at a file on the USB stick.
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1451 [20:18:31] <RoyK> you could try to "mount -t vfat /dev/vdd1 /somewhere"
1452 [20:18:42] <Lady_Aleena> RoyK, what would that do?
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1454 [20:18:58] <Lady_Aleena> The vfat part is what I don't understand.
1455 [20:18:59] <RoyK> just tell mount it's a vfat system
1456 [20:19:07] <RoyK> meaning FAT32
1457 [20:19:30] <Lady_Aleena> Still "mount: /media/backup: can't read superblock on /dev/sdd1."
1458 [20:22:04] <sney> probably time to dd the whole partition to a file on disk and try to recover it with photorec
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1460 [20:22:16] <sney> and hope the flash drive isn't completely pooched
1461 [20:22:21] <RoyK> sney: yep
1462 [20:22:54] <jmcnaught> You might be able to mount the image with an offset using loopback but I don't know the syntax for that.
1463 [20:24:26] <Lady_Aleena> "sudo dd /dev/sdd1"
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1468 [20:24:48] <RoyK> Lady_Aleena: ddrescue is nice
1469 [20:24:55] <Lady_Aleena> ^ that was a question
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1472 [20:25:19] <RoyK> Lady_Aleena: just install ddrescue and run "man ddrescue" and you'll find out
1473 [20:25:21] <Lady_Aleena> E: Unable to locate package ddrescue
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1475 [20:25:37] <RoyK> gddrescue
1476 [20:26:20] <RoyK> there are two versions out there - the old one and the GNU one - the latter is in the repos
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1485 [20:33:55] <Lady_Aleena> Hopefully, running it without options is okay.
1486 [20:34:27] <RoyK> the defaults should be ok
1487 [20:34:48] <Lady_Aleena> Good, because the options don't make sense to me on a glance.
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1489 [20:35:10] <RoyK> you generally don't need them unless the shit really have hit the fan
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1491 [20:35:59] <RoyK> I remember some nine years ago, some professor came into the IT dept and was screaming "I MY ALL MY LIFE ON THERE!!!"
1492 [20:36:03] <Lady_Aleena> Will things like text files (files written in a text editor) be in the outfile as straight text, or will the outfile need munging?
1493 [20:36:06] <RoyK> a usb drive that had died
1494 [20:36:22] <RoyK> my mac detected it, but couldn't mount it
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1496 [20:36:34] <RoyK> it wasn't dead, but not well
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1498 [20:36:49] <RoyK> it took 5-6 days with ddrescue to get the data out
1499 [20:37:00] <RoyK> on a linux machine, that is
1500 [20:37:29] <Lady_Aleena> I just want to read 1 file in that 64 GB mess.
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1503 [20:37:56] <RoyK> you'll probably manage with photorec later ;)
1504 [20:38:45] <RoyK> just run ddrescue first, then take a copy of the whole file, the one from ddrescue, the raw disk file, before trying to mount it or run any recovery on it
1505 [20:38:49] <Lady_Aleena> Is the percentage that says "pct rescued" an indicator of how much it has done?
1506 [20:39:00] <RoyK> should be
1507 [20:39:25] <RoyK> what does it say?
1508 [20:39:40] <Lady_Aleena> It is only 16.6% done. *sighs* I may go afk and make the bed unless ddrescue needs a babysitter.
1509 [20:39:57] <RoyK> it doesn't ;)
1510 [20:42:20] <RoyK> Lady_Aleena: --log-reads=/some/logfile might be good if it's a really shitty drive
1511 [20:42:46] <RoyK> so that you don't have to go over the whole drive in the next pass
1512 [20:42:58] <RoyK> but then - 64GB isn't really a big drive
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1515 [20:46:00] <Lady_Aleena> RoyK, it is now at 28%. And all I've done is get my cats to come inside.
1516 [20:46:47] <Lady_Aleena> RoyK, I ran ddrescue with "sudo ddrescue /dev/sdd1 sdd1-rescue sdd1-rescue-mapfile"
1517 [20:47:24] <ThothCastel> any additional packages for bluetooth device recognitions? I am unable to connect a bluetooth anker speaker. It recognizes but it won’t connect.
1518 [20:48:17] <RoyK> I would have run ddrescue on the full drive, but hell, it'll work with the partition alone
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1523 [20:49:43] <Lady_Aleena> Isn't sdd1 where all my files are?
1524 [20:49:56] <RoyK> sdd is the disk, sdd1 is the partition
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1526 [20:50:44] <RoyK> but seems sdd1 fills the whole of sdd, so it probably doesn't matter
1527 [20:50:50] <Lady_Aleena> RoyK, why do the whole disk when it is only the partition I want saved?
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1529 [20:51:20] <RoyK> just the way I like to do it in case something is messed up elsewhere
1530 [20:51:31] <RoyK> but again - it probably won't matter much
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1533 [20:52:27] <Lady_Aleena> If I could, I would have just tried to rescue the one file.
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1535 [20:52:42] <RoyK> it'll probably work ;)
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1553 [21:04:52] <Zeshy> Hi all! How do I provide extra information for an ITP "bug"? The package ("cronie") is not yet officially in the repo (just in experimental). When I try to provide extra info using "reportbug -N 590876", it acts as if I wanted to file a completely new ITP bug ...
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1555 [21:06:13] <greycat> [5-1]0 only matches 5, 1 or 0
1556 [21:06:19] <greycat> ... channel. channels are hard.
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1563 [21:10:43] <greycat> Zeshy: if there's an existing bug, just send email to the bug. 590876@bugs.debian.org or whatever.
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1565 [21:18:30] <RoyK> greycat: [5-1]0 should match 10,20,30,40 and 50
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1568 [21:19:16] <greycat> Yeah, I mangled things a bit. And I was also mistaken -- it doesn't match *anything* at all. Bash silently treats it as an invalid regex (context was [[ =~ ]]) and you just get "no match" for every input.
1569 [21:19:49] <greycat> Anyway, it was from #bash, and someone was trying to do =~ ^[5-10]$ and thought it would match 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 or 10. It doesn't.
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1572 [21:22:43] <Zeshy> greycat: thx!
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1574 [21:25:58] <Cooll> boa tarde
1575 [21:27:00] <Cooll> alguem pode me ajudar a configurar um ipv6 de uma vps debian 9?
1576 [21:27:06] <Zeshy> greycat: =~ matches extended regex, so this should work: =~ ^([5-9]|10)$
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1585 [21:29:26] <Cooll> only speak englis?
1586 [21:29:38] <Zeshy> Cooll: Most of them, I guess.
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1590 [21:30:16] <Zeshy> Cooll: There is #debian-br "para ajuda em portugues"
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1596 [21:31:37] <Cooll> Zeshy, thanks
1597 [21:32:18] <Cooll> can someone help me to configure an ipv6 of a debian 9 vps?
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1599 [21:33:49] <Cooll> ovh is a fuc@
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1605 [21:38:45] <Cooll> Cannot join #debian-br (Channel is invite only
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1608 [21:39:24] <JPT> Cooll: Did you check their documentation on that topic? replaced-url
1609 [21:39:49] <Cooll> JPT, yes
1610 [21:40:09] <JPT> Alright - where did you get stuck?
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1612 [21:40:16] <greycat> Looks like they moved to ##debian-br.
1613 [21:40:40] <greycat> dpkg, br =~ s/#debian-br/##debian-br/g
1614 [21:40:41] <dpkg> OK, greycat
1615 [21:40:41] <Cooll> JPT, no
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1618 [21:41:31] <miskatonic> I know Portuguese somewhat but nothing about vps or ipv6
1619 [21:42:32] <Cooll> miskatonic, i dont nothing about ipv6 in vps
1620 [21:43:56] <Cooll> ipv6 i dont some nothing
1621 [21:44:34] <Cooll> and came some help here
1622 [21:45:48] <chmykh> Hello! Please help. I am going to throw away my current PC and buy new one. Migrating from intel to amd, from hdd to ssd, from nvidia to amd, etc. Completely new pc, new and different hardware. Should I reinstall OS because of this from scratch?
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1624 [21:46:37] <Cooll> lol
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1626 [21:47:18] <greycat> You're kinda gonna *have* to reinstall the OS, because you aren't bringing the old disk over.
1627 [21:48:03] <miskatonic> amd is crap, it requires proprietary firmware for graphic card
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1629 [21:48:18] <greycat> everything does these days
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1639 [21:53:36] <chmykh> greycat: why I can't just move the files from root and home partiton?
1640 [21:54:08] <greycat> Copying over your /home is fine and dandy. Copying over *specific* things in /etc, by hand, one by one, with much forethought, is also OK, some of the time.
1641 [21:54:18] <greycat> But those things occur after you install the OS.
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1643 [21:55:22] <chmykh> greycat: why just moving whole thing is bad idea?
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1645 [21:55:31] <chmykh> Using rsync for example.
1646 [21:55:39] <greycat> I installed a new buster last week, and I think the files I modified in /etc/ were passwd, group, ntp.conf, nsswitch.conf, resolv.conf, and dhcp/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/resolv_conf
1647 [21:56:20] <greycat> Maybe a few others, but those are the ones I can remember right now.
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1651 [22:01:07] <Zeshy> chmykh: If your current PC's software is up to date, you /can/ copy everything to your new PC's SSD (make sure you check out how to properly create a new file system on the ssd and/or mount options like "discard", "noatime" etc.). If you're lucky, everything gets autodetected. If not, you have to google for each problem. =)
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1653 [22:01:51] <Zeshy> chmykh: If your current PC's software is old, then copying all files might give you a new, unbootable PC, because the kernel or whatever doesn't even support the new PC's chipset etc.
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1655 [22:03:50] <Zeshy> chmykh: The problem with copying over system files is that there might be leftover configuration artefacts that were perfect for your old hardware, but create problems with your new hardware. And the time and effort you have to put into finding out these nasty little bits could be much higher than simply installing a new OS and then just copy over the "user data" like /home.
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1658 [22:04:31] <Zeshy> Anyway, gotta go ... thx 4 all the help!
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1688 [22:28:04] <EdePopede> should i run bloatware like firefox in a virtual machine to protect my system from becoming unusable?
1689 [22:28:17] <greycat> no
1690 [22:28:20] <greycat> Next!
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1692 [22:29:06] <EdePopede> so where is the system protection?
1693 [22:29:41] <JPT> There's oom killer in case firefox eats too much ram. What kind of protection are you looking for?
1694 [22:29:44] <greycat> How is ADDING A VIRTUAL MACHINE LAYER going to reduce resource usage and improve your interactive experience?
1695 [22:29:47] <greycat> It's nonsensical.
1696 [22:29:48] <EdePopede> it is ridiculous that some javascript from somewhere on the web can force the browser to eat all system ressources
1697 [22:30:17] <EdePopede> something like we have for file systems
1698 [22:30:23] <greycat> ... what
1699 [22:30:44] <greycat> Just gonna *plonk* and save myself another headache.
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1702 [22:31:07] <EdePopede> and how it should help? by not allowing programs using more ram and cpu than some hard limit
1703 [22:31:10] <JPT> Are you looking for ulimit?
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1706 [22:32:39] <EdePopede> i can not even google it, the dialog to stop the script didn't close over the last maybe 5 minutes
1707 [22:32:55] <JPT> man ulimit
1708 [22:33:00] <EdePopede> firefox is completely unresponsive again, and i don't even want to switch to another desktop
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1710 [22:33:26] <greycat> it's a shell builtin, so probably not "man"
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1712 [22:33:45] <greycat> "man ulimit" gives me ulimit(3), not the shell builtin
1713 [22:34:03] <JPT> Ah, today i learned. :)
1714 [22:34:07] <EdePopede> so it works only for cli?
1715 [22:34:40] <jmcnaught> EdePopede: maybe you can find a way to run firefox with systemd-run which can put a process in an adhoc cgroup, and combine that with the directives in systemd.resource-control?
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1724 [22:41:13] <EdePopede> 10.8GB VIRT. i think this is a new record Oo
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1727 [22:42:35] <EdePopede> jmcnaught: i'd have to study all of this first to even know what is what
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1729 [22:44:14] <InnovAnon-Inc> example for protecting yourself against DOSing programs like firefox here: replaced-url
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1737 [22:49:04] <InnovAnon-Inc> "Changes made by ulimit will apply only to the current processes. If you need to make them permanent, you must edit /etc/security/limits.conf"
1738 [22:49:42] <greycat> *bad* sentence.
1739 [22:50:12] <greycat> It will make ignorant newbies think they can edit /etc/security/limits.conf and magically get a ulimit that applies to every process they run, everywhere.
1740 [22:50:35] <greycat> Then they come here and ask us why it doesn't work. :(
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1746 [22:53:10] <greycat> dpkg, ulimit is a shell builtin that applies resource limits (see setrlimit(3)) to the current shell and any child processes it executes. It can also be used in a wrapper script that runs a daemon, but most daemons are started by systemd nowadays. See PROCESS PROPERTIES in systemd.exec(5).
1747 [22:53:11] <dpkg> okay, greycat
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1750 [22:54:04] <greycat> dpkg, ulimit =~ s/3/2/
1751 [22:54:05] <dpkg> OK, greycat
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1753 [22:54:30] <hansh> > May 27 22:00:11 deb10image systemd[1]: mariadb.service: Main process exited, code=killed, status=11/SEGV
1754 [22:54:35] <hansh> did mariadb segfault?
1755 [22:54:42] <greycat> that's what it says, yes
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1760 [22:57:42] <hansh> segfault after > Status: "Starting final batch to recover 3 pages from redo log"
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1763 [22:59:42] <EdePopede> InnovAnon-Inc: i can't even make any sense of the text. looks like notes someone has made for a speech or some project. and it uses a lot of slang.
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1769 [23:03:36] <hansh> how can i get mariadb running? every time i try to start it, this happens: replaced-url
1770 [23:03:52] <hansh> (and i don't care about the presumably 3 lost records)
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1773 [23:08:07] <JPT> hansh: I'm mostly guessing about what to do. Your mariadb is crashing with a segfault. One of many possible causes could be incompatible library versions or - in a worst case scenario - a broken binary and/or broken hardware.
1774 [23:08:16] <InnovAnon-Inc> add a user, set limits in /etc/security/limits.conf and in /etc/pam.d/sudo
1775 [23:08:32] <JPT> Make sure mariadb's dependencies are available in their correct version. Also, make sure that your whole system is up to date. If there's any dependency hell with version conflicts going on, try to repair that first.
1776 [23:08:44] <InnovAnon-Inc> then run firefox as that use, obv
1777 [23:09:07] <JPT> Also, when in doubt, perhaps a reboot of the system to load the most recent kernel image installed might help, too.
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1779 [23:09:49] <hansh> it's a nearly vanilla 10x system, it was installed from a 10x iso, there's only ever been 1 mariadb install on it,doubt it's incompatible library versions
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1781 [23:10:04] <Cynicus> Anyone here using eosio?
1782 [23:10:13] <hansh> uname -a says Linux deb10image 4.19.0-9-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.118-2 (2020-04-29) x86_64 GNU/Linux
1783 [23:10:19] <hansh> is that the newest image? i'd imagine so
1784 [23:11:01] <hansh> broken binary / broken hardware might be the case though
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1786 [23:12:39] <hansh> btw why does the kernel apparently have 2 different versions? "4.19.0-9-amd64" and "4.19.118-2"
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1788 [23:13:31] <Cooll> who speak too me?
1789 [23:13:48] <hansh> s/too/to
1790 [23:14:24] <JPT> hansh: Okay, in that case, a hardware issue might be more likely.
1791 [23:14:48] <EdePopede> InnovAnon-Inc: ah, makes sense. i was missing some per programm option for ulimit. but with a dedicated user, sure. i'll set up one with all the extra settings when i find the time. was tricky last time i had firefox running under another account.
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1793 [23:15:46] <JPT> If your system already got a bunch of updates, you'll probably have more than one version of linux-image installed. That's not a bad thing, and it might be useful in case a kernel update leads to an unbootable system. In such a case, you can simply choose to boot an older version as a backup.
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1797 [23:19:10] <InnovAnon-Inc> remember to edit /etc/pam.d/sudo, so the sudo -i works as expected re: user limits
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1805 [23:27:47] <greycat> hanasaki: 4.19.0-9-amd64 is the package name, and identifies the kernel ABI version. 4.19.118-2 is the package version, and is based on which upstream kernel it's patch-forked from.
1806 [23:28:01] <greycat> oh damn it, the other one left.
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1815 [23:38:06] <StyXman> zomm depends on ibus. ibus is autostarted on a kde session even when I hadn't said anything about it. how can i disable that? yes, I asked in #kde, they pointed me to my distro
1816 [23:38:56] <StyXman> i don't see anything particular in the ibus pkgs
1817 [23:39:13] <StyXman> yes, i asked in #ibus, it's dead
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1822 [23:41:11] <hansh> JPT, the system is just a few days old so "lots of updates" is probably stretching it
1823 [23:41:36] <hansh> s/lots/bunch
1824 [23:41:56] <hansh> also my internet connection is very unstable =/
1825 [23:42:51] <hansh> never had a kernel update i guess, /boot contains just 1 kernel
1826 [23:43:16] <JPT> Okay, so ... where did you see that you have two different versions?
1827 [23:43:43] <hansh> uname -a said i had "4.19.0-9-amd64" and "4.19.118-2"
1828 [23:43:47] <hansh> still do
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1830 [23:44:04] <hansh> the output of uname -a: Linux deb10image 4.19.0-9-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.118-2 (2020-04-29) x86_64 GNU/Linux
1831 [23:44:10] <JPT> That does not really add up to me. Can you show the whole output of `uname -a`?
1832 [23:44:20] <JPT> Aaah, okay
1833 [23:44:50] <JPT> greycat has answered that earlier. I quote: "<greycat> hanasaki: 4.19.0-9-amd64 is the package name, and identifies the kernel ABI version. 4.19.118-2 is the package version, and is based on which upstream kernel it's patch-forked from."
1834 [23:45:05] <JPT> So you're good :)
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1837 [23:46:22] <hansh> oh kk, ty
1838 [23:46:47] <hansh> i've lost every message between >>><JPT> If your system already got a bunch of updates, you'll probably have more than one version of linux-image installed (...)<<< and >>><hansh> JPT, the system is just a few days old so "lots of updates" is probably stretching it<<<
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1842 [23:47:20] <hansh> including that one
1843 [23:47:38] <JPT> Okay :)
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1848 [23:50:42] <JPT> Unfortunately, i still don't have any idea about your segfault. You could run tools to verify your ram and disk are working fine, you could perhaps reinstall mariadb to make sure your files are not corrupted.
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1850 [23:52:03] <JPT> It's also possible (perhaps unlikely, but still possible) that mariadb is crashing due to a broken configuration, broken data files or perhaps broken plugins if there are any.
1851 [23:52:10] <hansh> should apt remove mariadb-server; apt install mariadb-server; leave the db intact? (it's not very important if the data is lost, it's just slightly annoying and slightly time consuming to re-create the data)
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1853 [23:52:56] <hansh> no plugins besides what's installed by `apt install mariadb-server;` , don't think there's any custom configurations
1854 [23:53:22] <JPT> Removing and Installing mariadb /should/ leave the database files intact. It's still a good idea to back them up before
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1856 [23:53:34] <hansh> thanks
1857 [23:53:40] <JPT> They should live somewhere in /var/lib/mysql, i believe.
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1865 [23:59:31] <JPT> I'll get some sleep now. Best of luck to you! :)
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