7[00:03:30] <cybercrypto> oxek: jmcnaught: correct. Since buster wayland defaults in gnome. And there is something I learn about past history: after debian decides to move, lot of things starts to happen. It will take time for full replacement, OF COURSE. But it is hapenning already.
33[00:13:33] <cybercrypto> oxek: There is one method for that. It is experimental and very limited. you can learn more at the upstream site and give it a try if you will. replaced-url
60[00:25:11] <oxek> I'm moving away from gnome anyway, especially since I received 50+ old laptops to be refurbished and given to schools for remote learning
61[00:25:29] <oxek> gnome does not run on those machines
62[00:25:39] <cybercrypto> oxek: I see. X11 will wokr for you meanwhile. Wayland will replace it and bring more security for you usecase for sure, in the future.
63[00:26:30] <bomb> oxek: so which desktop you decided to use for those laptops, Xfce?
64[00:26:31] <oxek> cybercrypto: I don't want to sound like I am bashing on wayland, but I've heard of people wanting to replace x11 for over 30 years now
65[00:26:38] <oxek> bomb: yeah, xfce
66[00:27:03] <oxek> would have gone with lxde, but it's dead, and I am not sure how mature lxqt is
67[00:27:20] <oxek> obviously can't give them i3 or some other tiling wm
68[00:27:28] <bomb> great choice. I installed Gnome on parents computers after years of Xfce, I still regret it because they're now used to Gnome :(
99[00:37:50] <metbsd> it's default installation with default window manager
100[00:37:55] <metbsd> or desktop environment
101[00:38:21] <oxek> jmcnaught: I thought zram makes things worse
102[00:38:25] <oxek> instead zswap is the way to go
103[00:38:56] <brabo> moin. i just installed gpsd-clients on buster to use xgps. upon launch xgps says 'ImportError: No module named gi".. as far as i can see that should be provided by python-gobject-2 which got installed as a dependency, ideas?
104[00:39:00] <allizom> metbsd: I guess that's Gnome then. You should have a system settings app where to configure displays
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113[00:40:54] <keebler> Anyone with experience with the Serval from System76?
114[00:41:14] <keebler> Looks like a Clevo
115[00:42:05] <oxek> jmcnaught: my understanding is that zram steals RAM and uses it for a compressed swap space. Hence you get less RAM. Whereas zswap compresses stuff going into swap space hence writing and reading to swap is faster.
116[00:42:06] <allizom> metbsd: I don't use Gnome, but there should be a way to enable the external display from there
117[00:42:24] <allizom> if it is detected
118[00:42:54] <metbsd> i don't think it's detected
119[00:43:01] <metbsd> no response as if nothing happen
120[00:43:02] <brabo> hm manually installing python-gobject and this module is there..
121[00:43:13] * brabo wonders why that wasn't a dependency then..
122[00:43:35] <allizom> metbsd: run "udevadm monitor" then connect your display, does anything show up?
123[00:43:49] <metbsd> as root?
124[00:43:53] <allizom> nope
125[00:44:24] <jmcnaught> oxek: zram takes some RAM, makes it into a compressed ramdisk that you can use as swap providing more memory total at the expense of CPU cycles for compression/decompression. zswap is a compressed RAM cache (so also uses memory) that can only be used as swap.
126[00:44:50] <oxek> jmcnaught: I am wrong then
127[00:44:51] <metbsd> allizom: it got stuck
128[00:45:02] <metbsd> shows UDEV and KERNEL
129[00:45:07] <metbsd> and stopped
130[00:45:25] <allizom> it will show output when something happens. connect your display while you are running it
131[00:45:25] <jmcnaught> oxek: the idea is that using the CPU for compressing memory contents is better than the slow down caused by swapping to disk.
132[00:46:06] <metbsd> allizom: when i reconnect again, something shows
133[00:46:17] <oxek> jmcnaught: sounds good to me. I'll need to study up on these things. Unfortunately, most of the help I've seen comes down to "buy more RAM" which is not an option here.
134[00:46:22] <metbsd> kernel udev online
135[00:46:36] <metbsd> and container
136[00:46:49] <metbsd> is it a good sign?
137[00:47:12] <allizom> please paste the output
138[00:47:17] <allizom> on a pastebin if long
139[00:47:50] <brabo> and then that requires Gtk 3.0 and i have libgtk-3-0 at latest version?
151[00:54:48] <allizom> there should be a line more or less like "UDEV [738.206107] change /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.0/drm/card1 (drm)" when you connect/disconnect the cable
152[00:55:18] <metbsd> hmm, there isn't
153[00:56:17] <allizom> are you sure the display/cable are ok? is it powered on?
170[01:02:12] <allizom> metbsd: Hm, I have no experience with nvidia GPUs, or with switching between discrete/integrated GPU. Do you have only one HDMI out on your box?
186[01:09:57] <cybercrypto> metbsd: you could try using nouveau module and non-free-graphics package. It is well known for fixing most of the issues (when using X11)
213[01:33:55] <annadane> for future reference, we prefer paste.debian.net
214[01:33:58] <annadane> !pastebin.com
215[01:33:58] <dpkg> pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, is full of js, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like replaced-url
275[02:50:07] <tinfoil-hat> I apt-get install fiche , took the example systemdfile from /usr/share/doc/fiche, changed the url, andallowed the discribed port, however netcat doesn't let me cat to my fiche
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277[02:52:44] <jmcnaught> tinfoil-hat: anything in 'journalctl -u fiche' or 'systemctl status fiche'?
363[04:57:33] <gh00p> I've got an X9DRL-iF motherboard whose fans won't slow down. After some research I found I can use `ipmitool thresh` to set lower speeds, but I might need to reset the BCM to make the new settings active. Any idea how I might do that without rebooting the server? Is there an `ipmitool` command that resets _only_ the BCM?
395[05:49:04] <b1ackandwh1te> gh00p, sorry but the topic of this channel is debian not hardware.
396[05:50:19] <jmcnaught> Asking about a tool that is packaged for Debian is fine, but since nobody is answering there might be better places to ask.
397[05:54:30] <bomb> obviously that question can't be asked in a non-Linux channel
398[05:55:51] <bracham> honestly when looking to regulate the fan speed, i'd first check the BIOS settings.
399[05:57:40] <bracham> sucks that it's a server, but that would be the first thing i'd try. or at least if he knows what bios it is, look it up and see if it has fan speed controls built in.
432[06:45:43] <bracham> ubuntu is easier to start on when moving from windows, but now that i've somewhat got the hang of stuff, and i've read that canonical is getting kinda buddy buddy with microsoft, i'd rather not stay with ubuntu
437[06:53:44] <gh00p> bracham: dmidecode tells me it's AMI version 3.0a, released 2013-08-08. I suppose a reboot might be the way to go, but it seems to me I should have SOME way to reset the BCM from the command line.
450[07:04:04] <somiaj> bracham: apt-get is not deprecated, it just has a stable interface, and is now used more for scripts while apt is more a user interface
451[07:04:53] <gh00p> bracham: generally headless, though there's a keyboard and monitor available to plug in if I need to. I haven't connected the IPMI port up to the network because everything I needed seemed to be available through ipmitool.
452[07:05:08] <bracham> somiaj, ah ok. thanks!
453[07:05:10] <gh00p> I suppose that would get me remote access to BIOS.
462[07:11:53] <gh00p> IPMI is an interface to the BCM, the Baseboard Management Controller. There are vendor-specific interfaces too -- ILO on HP systems, DRAC on Dell. Whatever your flavour of hardware, this provides vital management control for your hardware, as well as super useful interfaces for remote console, environment monitoring, etc.
478[07:32:59] <gh00p> bracham: I don't think it's listed there. Check the specs for your motherboard to see if it includes IPMI. Does it have a "management" Ethernet jack on the back that you haven't figured out yet? If so, that may be OOB access to the BCM.
483[07:35:39] <bracham> gh00p, no there's no unexplained ports, and looking up my board it appears it's not an option. however, i may try overclocking a bit!
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544[08:24:37] <gh00p> bracham: yes, it hosts VMs for email and web for my domain and a few freelance customers. Unannounced outages are bad for the reputation. :)
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601[09:31:09] <lesless> sorry, early monday morning here. I suspect a bug in an grpc library that I'm using - it errors out with connection closed message while I suspect connection is still alive. I would like to check if connection establish to gRPC server is really dropped or not.
637[09:52:55] <dutchfish> lesless, to my humble opinion, grpc is a mess atm, either you port it yourself from upstream and fix the depency for abseil-cpp or wait for the maintainer to finish it. I would stear away from it, if it was my issue.
659[10:17:06] <trebuh> Hello, a friend of mine got a machine, and asked for help to "clean it". I got the following error while trying to install a new package. How can I fix it? replaced-url
665[10:26:02] <dutchfish> trebuh, have you tried installing libstdc++-8-dev first?
666[10:26:46] <dutchfish> trebuh, your pastebin is not showing if you have older remenents still installed
667[10:28:42] <dutchfish> trebuh, i assume you have tried apt update && apt upgrade first?
668[10:30:16] <trebuh> dutchfish: I did, and get: "libstdc++-8-dev : Depends: libc6-dev (>= 2.13-5) but it is not going to be installed" which yields when I try to install it " libc6-dev : Depends: libc6 (= 2.28-10) but 2.30-8 is to be installed"
669[10:30:23] <trebuh> I guess that's the root error
674[10:31:47] <dutchfish> trebuh, it might be that your configured repository is limping behind. Rince and repeat apt update && apt upgrade until you are on 2.30-8
678[10:32:32] <jmcnaught> trebuh: it's recommended to use the release name ("buster") instead of "stable" in your sources.list so that when the next stable is released you don't get a surprise half-upgrade when you do "apt-get upgrade".
679[10:32:49] <trebuh> what do you mean by rince? ( I suppose I have to change the source.list but to what?)
680[10:33:03] <dutchfish> trebuh, i meant just repeat
683[10:33:18] <jmcnaught> also if you are on buster then libc6 should be 2.28-10. 2.30-8 is the libc6 from testing, you don't want that.
684[10:33:24] <jmcnaught> !bat
685[10:33:24] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
686[10:33:27] <bird_icbm> can i throw a diary against an irc channel i dislike ?
687[10:33:51] <jmcnaught> bird_icbm: not here please, this is a Debian tech support channel.
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690[10:37:17] <ksk> Hola. Is there some kind of generic event on HDMI-monitor disconnection I can hook into somehow? (I would like to automagicly issue a xrandr command if monitor gets plugged out/in)
691[10:37:35] <trebuh> jmcnaught: one sec, I'll clean my sources.list and provide the info
693[10:39:20] <jmcnaught> trebuh: it's not that helpful if you remove repositories that you have installed packages from. That's like hiding the clues.
694[10:39:45] <trebuh> jmcnaught: I just changed stable to buster
718[11:06:43] <b1ackandwh1te> I think I found a bug. buster 10.4, xfce4. button in the upper left corner (menu), click, sixth entry (settings), click, seventeenth entry (monitor), click ... and crash (opens for milliseconds and closes).
723[11:11:17] <dutchfish> trebuh, you can find out more with following. To list packages installed not the stable repo `apt list --installed | grep installed,local` and to find out what was manually installed `zgrep 'Commandline: apt' /var/log/apt/history.log /var/log/apt/history.log.*.gz`
727[11:12:59] <dutchfish> trebuh, only if it was not to long ago for the later one.
728[11:15:16] <trebuh> Hum quite a few packages were returned bt the first command, what can I do withthat?
729[11:16:24] <dutchfish> trebuh, pipe it to a file and study which ones are NOT from the stable repository (i hope not many), with that list come back and ask in here.
730[11:16:53] <trebuh> dutchfish: alright, I'll have a closer look, thanks for the help
731[11:17:28] <dutchfish> trebuh, with `dpkg -l | grep [foo]` wher efoo is the exact name, you can check which version.
732[11:17:55] <dutchfish> trebuh, you are welcome.
748[11:43:39] <UrielCorinthian> Good morning! I've always stuck to the official release packages, but I've recently decided that I need to upgrade my ZynAddSubFX to Zyn-Fusion (for my bandmate's sake, as the interface is more conducive to what she needs to do). I added the KX Audio repositories, and updated Zyn. However, this also updated Ardour to a version that appears to have significant issues with fontconfig (Ardour 5.12.0). I subsequently purged that
749[11:43:39] <UrielCorinthian> version, and installed the one listed in Synaptic as coming from the "stable" repository. However, the problem remains - Ardour is extremely slow to start, keeps throwing the FontConfig issue (which also has an effect on the GUI), and uses significantly more resources than I'm used to. I could add that I recently upgraded my Debian machine from 9 to 10, and I'm not entirely sure I used Ardour at all before adding the KX
750[11:43:40] <UrielCorinthian> repositories, so the issue may have been present since the upgrade and I just never realised. The version I had in Debian 9 worked 100%, so for the time being, I'd like to go back to that version if I can't find a solution for the current issue. But I need some guidance here - *how do I install a package from a _previous_ release of my distribution?*
751[11:44:13] <UrielCorinthian> PS - is the Ardour website down? I can't access the forums or anything on it today
818[13:07:45] <trebuh> hum, downgrading libc6 might not be a good idea, it does not downgrade the packages that depend on it but rather remove all the depending packages
859[14:04:41] <sgo11> hi, can anyone recommend a fast markdown editor with WYSIWYG feature or a good Live Preview feature? I tried typora, marktext and haroopad. They are too slow. I really don't want to end up with vim..
902[14:28:51] <sgo11> I use linux because it's fast. After installing some tools, I feel slow.
903[14:29:15] <EdePopede> linux is fast, the desktop gui programs are slow
904[14:29:36] <Haohmaru> not all
905[14:29:40] <EdePopede> quadcore, 32GB ram, swap into RAM, then it stays fast
906[14:29:54] <EdePopede> well then xedit
907[14:30:00] <somiaj> why do you need a live preview? Are you writting markdown for a webpage. I personally like jekyll, and you can have it regenerate the site whenever a page is updated
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909[14:30:16] <EdePopede> the moment it uses gtk you're lost most of the times
910[14:30:46] <EdePopede> yeah. shell scripts are harder to parse than markdown
911[14:30:48] <Haohmaru> what else could it use?
912[14:30:55] <b1ackandwh1te> please, somebody with time check: in buster 10.4, xfce4. button in the upper left corner (menu), click, sixth entry (settings), click, seventeenth entry (monitor), click...
920[14:33:29] <sgo11> somiaj: no, I am not writting webpage. just writting my own notes and docs. I am making notes everyday. live preview looks nice. Typora is actually faster than marktext. but it's closed source and I can not make shell-session (terminal) syntax highlight work.
921[14:34:06] <EdePopede> b1ackandwh1te: folks in #xfce may have an idea what entry you mean
922[14:34:24] <b1ackandwh1te> EdePopede, ok i will remove the entry.
923[14:34:31] <b1ackandwh1te> thanks.
924[14:34:34] <sgo11> marktext is open sourced and I can hack it to support shell-session syntax highlight, but it's extremely slow. shell-session syntax highlight is important to me because I need to use it a lot.
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928[14:35:46] <somiaj> what is the markdown being converted too? Why do you need markdown for this? Live preview is just gonna be slower than other methods since it will have to rengerate document after each edit, why not use some other method for notes?
929[14:36:58] <sgo11> somiaj: I just want my docs look good. look good in both editing and reading time.
930[14:37:10] <EdePopede> b1ackandwh1te: so you know what entry it is?
935[14:37:51] <somiaj> sgo11: again why do you need markdown for this? What format are you converting the markdown to make it look good?
936[14:38:19] <somiaj> part of what is slow is markdown is being converted, and a live preview is goign to covernt the format each and every time you make an edit
937[14:38:27] <EdePopede> sgo11: write proper markdown, format it accordingly, include a good css. which is more important than proper code (even html) layout as commercial grade sites often prove.
938[14:39:17] <somiaj> what makes markdown fast, is it is easy to write, and you can convert to a preview fairly quickly after you make lots of edits. But if you aren't making a webpage, what format are you converting markdown to make thigns look ince?
939[14:39:19] <EdePopede> sgo11: what somiaj said. some editors can create the preview on keypress. much faster than live.
941[14:39:52] <somiaj> but it almost sounds as if markdown is not the tool if you are making notes. What are these notes for? What other features do you need?
942[14:40:15] <sgo11> EdePopede: thanks for the explanation. I don't quite follow what somiaj means.
943[14:40:37] <EdePopede> i had a devel editor in my fingers years ago written in python iiirc. horribly slow. could really watch it paint the lines. until i turned live syntax highlightning off.
944[14:40:54] <sgo11> As what I said before, I want the editing part and reading part are the same.
946[14:41:17] <EdePopede> and in the case of live preview the html has to be created, the DOM gets rendered, the elements are placed on the canvas. lot of work.
947[14:41:22] <somiaj> sgo11: then why not just use libreoffice or abiword or some app like that? Why are you using markdown, what is your use casel?
948[14:41:58] <sgo11> If it's not live preview or wysiwyg, I will have bad experience when editing it.
950[14:42:21] <sgo11> somiaj: can libreoffice support code syntax highlight? I feel libreoffice is slow too.
951[14:42:26] <sgo11> I only feel vim is fast.
952[14:42:43] <EdePopede> why, the idea of markup is to get rid of most of the markdown down to a level you'd use for a shopping list or some sketches for a speech
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954[14:42:43] <somiaj> well you want the speed of a text editor, but then you want live preview, you can't have both.
956[14:42:59] <b1ackandwh1te> EdePopede, i will search and whatever i do not with root. anything bad im here again, thanks.
957[14:43:00] <EdePopede> you can, with a gaming machine :)
958[14:43:18] <somiaj> again you have not yet told us why markdown is useful to you at all. Are you writing webpages? Markdown is meant to simplify code snytax so you can create more complicated code (such as html) from simpler code
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965[14:45:24] <EdePopede> sgo11: most of my markdown (i use it for notes of all kind, also for some local webpages where i feel using a browser for it is the better experience) is even created in mcedit since i'm in mc anyway. makefiles or shell functions are all you'd need to create some html from them with pandoc and then copy them into place.
967[14:46:30] <EdePopede> there are even shell based solutions available, only i can't recall any right now. and it's faster at the end of the day since it doesn't have to update the view constantly
968[14:46:44] <EdePopede> write, save, build, switch to browser, reload. voilà.
969[14:46:46] <plt> I am running across this error debian kernel: [75774.253289] traps: sbbs/services[23621] trap invalid opcode ip:7f7027bc3e3c sp:7f701fff9fe0 error:0 in libsbbs.so[7f702772b000+519000]
970[14:46:46] <plt> Does anyone know how I can fix the issue.
984[14:48:55] <abrotman> also, what is 'uname -r' ?
985[14:49:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1286
986[14:49:08] <sgo11> somiaj: sorry, I thought I explained it. I am writting my personal docs, making notes. For example, how_to_setup_nginx.md, golang_tut.md, dart_tut.md etc.. I am writting these kind of notes everyday. Docs will have lots of codes inside and terminal prompts etc.. I need syntax highlight for those code and terminal prompt block etc..
987[14:49:16] <plt> Its no bbs application that like over 400 users are running it with no issues. This only happened when I am using the current version of Debian and it works fine with Debian Version 7
988[14:49:52] <abrotman> if there's no issue, then what's the issue?
989[14:50:10] <abrotman> you could try the kernel from backports
990[14:50:34] <plt> What do you mena by try kernel from backports?
991[14:50:39] <sgo11> somiaj: I have already written more than thousand md files in my directory. That is how I write my daily notes and docs.
992[14:51:05] <Haohmaru> plt you're not like.. running a program from debian7 on debian10, are you?
993[14:51:17] <somiaj> sgo11: live preview of markdown with sytnax hilghting is just gonna be slow, you may want to just modify it to generate on preview.
994[14:51:21] <plt> Let me check
995[14:52:16] <sgo11> somiaj: ok. that's pity. maybe that is the only option here. thanks.
996[14:52:22] <plt> Is the current version of debian 11?
1001[14:53:35] <Haohmaru> because the numbers aren't everything
1002[14:53:44] <plt> I am using 104.19.0-9-amd64
1003[14:53:53] <abrotman> that's not uname -r
1004[14:54:22] <somiaj> sgo11: something like jekyll when only updates on file save or that you generate each time would be faster in the long run. What makes markdown nice is you can get complicated code out of simple code (such as parsing a code block and doing syntax hilighting), that just is going to take some time, and though it can be fairly quick (depending on markdown engine), with a live preview having to rerender after
1018[14:56:16] <abrotman> plt: you still haven't actually explained what the impact/problem is .. other than a kernel message
1019[14:56:53] <plt> I think issue with the kernel because that error did not accure when using version 6.0 or 7.0 using debian
1020[14:57:13] <abrotman> is it causing a crash? does your mouse move on its own?
1021[14:57:37] <plt> No
1022[14:57:42] <b1ackandwh1te> EdePopede, funny, similar thing happen with the entry point of mail client, tere is no one in the system, but instead of monitor it shoes a window to choose the client, and the list is empty. i believe the same behavior must happen to the monitor, instead it opens a windows for milliseconds. not a 'bug' but makes the user confuse. by the way it happens in a VM... hmmm
1023[14:57:56] <plt> Now you talking silly talk
1024[14:58:05] <gvth> Hi folks; I always removed packages from my system by issuing "aptitude purge <package>". But I recently heard that this command does not completely purge the package and there is another command that is more apt for the job. Is it true?
1025[14:58:09] <abrotman> plt: so what effect is it having? Why are you trying to solve the issue?
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1027[14:58:49] <abrotman> gvth: it should purge the package .. it may not purge other packages that were pulled in as dependencies .. you can `dpkg -l | egrep "^rc"` to see packages that have conf files left over
1028[14:58:50] <EdePopede> b1ackandwh1te: find out what .desktop file is used and then check what it starts
1038[15:00:47] <EdePopede> plt: the kernel has changed, ok. but also the program? either it didn't so it may not run on the newer kernel or it did and then may also be suspicious of breaking something.
1039[15:01:06] <abrotman> plt: have you asked the authors of sbbs? have they updated the software since 2015?
1041[15:02:19] <plt> He doing updates all te time to the software. THere is over 300 users using the same program running it on debian and several different os systems and it works fine.
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1061[15:08:06] <EdePopede> plt: is this the synchronet thing?
1062[15:08:18] <trebuh> What's the safest way to "re-stabilize" a mixed system? I have a Debian Buster with some packages installed from the testing repo. I want to have every package version from the stable one. Downgrading with apt does not seem to work
1063[15:08:45] <dvs> !downgrade
1064[15:08:46] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
1067[15:08:57] <somiaj> trebuh: in general downgrading is not supported and depending on what gets downgrading you may have trouble. You can try the factoid dvs linked, but sometimes the best way is reinstall
1068[15:09:11] <somiaj> !partial downgrade
1069[15:09:11] <dpkg> This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>.
1086[15:17:44] <trebuh> somiaj: it's libc6, and a few others, bu just downgrading libc6 causes apt to be willing to remove a lot of packages including systemd, init etc.
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1149[16:26:51] <plantroon> why does Debian's default syslog-ng have this filter caled f_syslog3 ? It literally sends almost all logs from apps to the default syslog log and there is no way to override it other than changing the default configration in syslog-ng.conf ;(
1163[16:38:21] <sgo11> I did a stupid thing. I Ctrl-Z a window manager. Now, my desktop is frozen. How to put that commnd to background? I tried bg 1, bg %1, bg pid. none of them works. thanks a lot.
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1166[16:39:46] <sgo11> I tried jobs command. There is no output.
1175[16:41:22] <sgo11> I am running ssh session. the origninal UI is frozen.
1176[16:42:01] <sgo11> Is that safe to kill it? it's basically wfwm4. But I have a mv command running. I don't want to interrupt that command. it's moving TB data.
1183[16:44:42] <sgo11> People told me to use a command to replace the original one. It was using high CPU. but the person who recommended the command does not tell me use & in the end. WHen I see it's a foreground process, I use ctrl+z.,,
1184[16:45:05] <th0r> sgo11, ctrl-Z used to be a toggle. Have you tried sending it again?
1185[16:45:10] <sgo11> I planed to use bg after ctrl+z, but, no chance.
1198[16:49:37] <th0r> sgo11, when I have to copy large amounts of data I use FreeFileSync as it can resume from where it left off. I think there is also a -u to the cp command you might use
1203[16:51:52] <sgo11> th0r: thanks for the tip. Actually, I did the move in ranger (command line file manager). I don't know what it does in the background. I didn't expect this long time. TB move takes too long.. I forgot it's hdd.
1204[16:53:03] <plantroon> sgo11: it is worthwhile to learn rsync and use it for any cross-filesystem operation. It deals wel with being interrupted and continuing, has lots of options, etc ...
1209[16:55:47] <sgo11> plantroon: yeah, I used rsync too sometimes. But just lazy to remember all the options. Even I wrote some scripts to handle it, I still don't feel to use it. I don't feel confident with too many arguments in a command. too paranoid.
1210[16:55:56] <EdePopede> sgo11: also, screen/tmux to the rescue. you can nuke your whole X session and your copy process still will be there
1237[17:06:55] <woenx> Hi. Does anyone have experience with the cpupower command? I seem to be unable to manually set a frequency (but I can change the governor just fine)
1239[17:07:52] <woenx> For instance, my CPU supports these frequencies: available frequency steps: 3.17 GHz, 2.67 GHz, 2.34 GHz, 2.00 GHz. But doing cpupower frequency-set -f 2670 does not seem to change anything
1281[17:44:56] <jak2000> hi all, i have a word: QUINTAS and need find wich server.log (server.log_2020-05-19T14-08-12, server.log_2020-05-19T05-20-44 ... 0 have this word, wich command help me? thanks
1359[18:43:35] <jmcnaught> chmykh: I don't know Polari but it might show errors on stderr that you can see if you run it from a terminal emulator. It might also log to the journal, you could try "journalctl --user --follow" to watch for messages there.
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1394[18:58:14] <chmykh> Some time ago I was using hexchat. But then I have migrated to GNOME and liked that ascetic minimalizm, and Polari client without any functionality but chatting.
1395[18:58:16] <chmykh> :)
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1408[19:02:58] <petn-randall> Xogium: Because it wasn't packaged at the time when buster was released.
1409[19:03:11] <Xogium> aww
1410[19:03:42] <ratrace> Xogium: gitlab has omnibus repo for debian, that you can use, though
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1412[19:04:10] <Xogium> gitlab drives me crazy tbh… I used their official installer only to run into a brick wall, it trying to be smart and playing with sysctl… In a container
1413[19:04:12] <petn-randall> Xogium: Also it depends on many libraries that aren't in buster, so it's not 100% clear it will make it into bullseye.
1414[19:04:45] <ratrace> the omnibus repo is a sweet spot between native packaging, and a container :: it's a custom installer that bundles and installs everything tucked neatly under /opt/gitlab and /var/opt/gitlab
1415[19:05:05] <Xogium> yeah that's exactly this one that tries to play with sysctl, too
1439[19:13:34] <Xogium> in clear my host isn't debian, so I tired to make a debian container, the official install from gitlab failed, so I just came in here to ask about why it wasn't packaged… That would have made my life easier I reckon ;) but yeah
1447[19:15:32] <somiaj> the idea is fasttrack will provide a way to make packages for debian stable that cannot make it into the official stable for one reason or another. virtualbox is another one that may go there due to the fact debian stable cannot support it.
1448[19:15:48] <somiaj> Basically it is backports for stuff that cannot be backported normally from bullseye due to policy
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1451[19:16:01] <ayjay_t> hey i'm trying to make a .deb for github.com/sabatoge-linux/netbsd-curses, which is a ncurses replacement and a lib. i'm following aguide (but not for libs), could someone just take a looksy at termbin.com/etdw and let me know if they see any glaring errors?
1452[19:16:13] <somiaj> though if anything becomes of it or not is unsure, at the moment not much there, but gitlab is there
1453[19:16:20] <ayjay_t> that's my controlf ile
1454[19:16:35] <somiaj> Xogium: what do you need gitlab for? Do you need that complicated of a git interface?
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1456[19:17:37] <Xogium> somiaj: to make a long story short, gitlab is the only usable git over web with issue tracker, wiki, and so on that you can self-host, and which is screen reader friendly
1459[19:18:39] <somiaj> Xogium: have you seen gitbucket? It runs fully in java and is self contained (easy to download/install/use). It isn't as fully featured as gitlab, but it has everything you talked about
1461[19:19:05] <somiaj> I ended up going with that because I don't need a lot, and it gave a simple web interface, and was easy to isntall/matain since it runs fully in java
1462[19:19:22] <Xogium> there was gitea that I liked because it was super easy to setup and all that, but I realized within 30 seconds of being connected that something was very wrong -- the dropdowns weren't read at all. 99% of its ui was unusable
1472[19:21:45] <somiaj> you can find the source on github, and I ended up using it because I just needed somethig simple for people I work with who need a graphical ui for git.
1475[19:22:16] <somiaj> anyways, this isn't really debian, but might be something to look at if you don't want gitlab, though hopefully the fasttrack package helps you with gitlab if you decide to go that way.
1476[19:22:28] <Xogium> somiaj: do you know what ui framework it uses ? Bootstrap, material ui, react js ?
1477[19:22:57] <somiaj> looks like bootstrap
1478[19:23:03] <Xogium> hm
1479[19:23:12] <Xogium> that should do then, that really should
1481[19:23:38] <Xogium> thanks a ton <3 you made my day with that, gitlab or not
1482[19:23:43] <somiaj> it is simple enough you can download the .jar and run it in java and test it out quickly
1483[19:24:20] <somiaj> I tried it and gitlab, git lab was a pain and had way to many features, gitbucket took me a fraction of the time to get up and has worked okay for my very limited use case
1484[19:24:25] <somiaj> but it has a wiki and an issue tracker
1485[19:24:31] <somiaj> (I don't use either, so I just turn them off)
1496[19:29:43] <IpSo> Anyone know why systemd-resolved is returning inconsistent lookup results for the same domain when there is only a single DNS server specified? On the same command I can do a dig, then a ping, then a dig again, and the 1st dig returns one IP, the ping a different IP, and the 2nd dig the same as the ping.
1512[19:42:12] <ayjay_t> huh so dh_install looks for build files in debian/tmp/usr/{lib,include,share} but it seems like `make install` writes them to .../usr/local/...
1513[19:42:34] <ayjay_t> should i configure dh_install to look for them in local or should i change control to somehow tell `make install` to not write them there?
1514[19:43:09] <ayjay_t> ie PREFIX=/usr instead of /usr/local
1518[19:44:38] <IpSo> jmcnaught, it appears to somehow be querying a public DNS server and not the DNS server that is specified. So the results are not "correct" given the server it should be querying.
1524[19:46:25] <jmcnaught> IpSo: I've only used systemd-resolved a little. Did you configure the DNS servers in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf or in per-link .network files? What's in your /etc/resolv.conf?
1525[19:46:32] <ayjay_t> no i'm not running make install manually, but if I want to override PREFIX so that it installs lib/ to a location where dh_install looks for it, i'm assuming I have to override the dh_* target to add the PREFIX env var
1526[19:46:37] <ayjay_t> ^^^ somiaj
1527[19:47:15] <ayjay_t> right now i'm thinking i need to override_dh_auto_install: export PREFIX=/usr
1528[19:47:15] <somiaj> ayjay_t: what command are you running, debian helper should adjust where things are put, you shouldn't need to mess with PREFIX
1529[19:47:28] <ayjay_t> uh i ran dh_make and then debuilder
1532[19:47:57] <IpSo> jmcnaught, DNS server is specified through DHCP. It is confirmed to be correct and the *only* DNS server showing under: systemd-resolve --status
1534[19:48:09] <Jekkan> Hi all! I'm going to installing debian to try it, and i would like to know how is the debian btrfs support... anyone use btrfs?
1535[19:48:09] <ayjay_t> but the lib files are ending up in package-dir/debian/tmp/usr/local/lib instead of package-dir/debian/tmp/usr/lib and debuilder is throwing an error because of that on dh_install:
1537[19:48:39] <IpSo> jmcnaught, thats the confusing part... If I had our local DNS server specified, and a public one, it would make sense that it could return results from either. But only a single DNS server is specified, and its not one that ever returns the results its getting.
1538[19:48:57] <ayjay_t> omg this exact instance is documented in the debian.org/Packaging/Intro
1541[19:49:56] <somiaj> ayjay_t: oh I miss understood, I thought you said they were ending up in /usr/local, not debian/tmp/.... anyways, I think you need to do this at the configuration script, so ./configure --prefix=/usr needs to be run, I forget the exact override to do this though (I think you want to append it with some variable that includes all the other configuration options from debian helper)
1544[19:50:41] <ayjay_t> ah yeah i did, right thanks
1545[19:51:18] <ayjay_t> but yeah, no configure step, so i'm aiming at override_dh_auto_install right now
1546[19:51:28] <jmcnaught> IpSo: which public server is it contacting? resolved.conf(5) has a FallbackDNS= but I don't know if it is used in Debian. Do you have 'nameserver 127.0.0.53' in /etc/resolv.conf?
1549[19:53:12] <somiaj> ayjay_t: hmm, I wonder which way is preferable, though I think if you use dh_auto_configure it allows you to override other configuration flags and should default to including --prefix=/usr for thigns to set that for you
1550[19:53:13] <IpSo> jmcnaught, no idea which server its querying. No FallbackDNS is specfied, and 127.0.0.53 is the only line in /etc/resolv.conf
1552[19:54:08] <ayjay_t> yeah but i mean, this repo _has_ no configure
1553[19:54:19] <ayjay_t> i'm actually getting choked up on the fact that it's a lib too because its a bit more complex than a binary
1554[19:54:21] <Psil0Cybin> eyy guys i have a question anyone here use RKHUNTER or any kind of tools like this to check for malware on linux machines?
1555[19:54:24] <somiaj> ayjay_t: ahh, that is probably it
1556[19:54:39] <Psil0Cybin> im used to using RKhunter and after installing it on my new Debian 10 install I got something strange that popped up in my logs
1557[19:54:41] <jmcnaught> IpSo: dig doesn't show a line like ';; SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.3.1)'?
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1559[19:54:55] <Psil0Cybin> Rootkit checks... Rootkits checked : 478 Possible rootkits: 8 - confused if this is a false positive.
1560[19:55:06] <Psil0Cybin> how can i check this out or dig deeper as I am confused.
1561[19:55:16] <ayjay_t> it sucks because this is actually a super straight forward repo
1562[19:55:57] <somiaj> ayjay_t: I can see if the makefile is what sets the dest dir and prefix, that method seems reasonable.
1563[19:56:13] <somiaj> probably the --prefix=/usr is aapended to configure, so if that step is not used..
1565[19:57:08] <IpSo> jmcnaught, I use dig <domain> @127.0.0.53 and the result changes at some random interval.
1566[19:57:39] <IpSo> jmcnaught, if I restart resolved it goes back to the correct value for a few tries, then changes again.
1567[19:58:02] <ayjay_t> somiaj, you can also add PREFIX as an env var to `make install`, so it's not a problem yet
1568[19:58:21] <jmcnaught> IpSo: and it's giving you invalid results at that point?
1569[19:58:24] <ayjay_t> the control file for a lib is a bit confusing, like why is there is a package mypackage and also mypackage-dev, i feel like i only want mypackage-dev
1572[19:58:49] <bthomas> Anyone know if Debian/Stable installer (kernel 4.19) will work for a AMD Ryzen 5 3500U laptop (replaced-url
1573[19:59:24] <IpSo> jmcnaught, yup. I literally restart resolved, then run: dig <domain> @127.0.0.53 ; ping <domain> ; dig <domain> @127.0.0.53 -- All on one command, it usually changes after the ping.
1574[19:59:53] <IpSo> jmcnaught, first dig and ping return the proper IP, then 2nd dig returns the wrong one.
1575[20:00:23] <IpSo> jmcnaught, not 100% of the time though, but usually happens within 1-2mins of restarting resolved
1576[20:00:32] <jmcnaught> IpSo: that's pretty strange. I might try using strace on dig to look for clues.
1589[20:03:02] <brutser> i encrypt rootfs, crypted device: sda2_crypt - then create partition scheme root/swap/home - this is done on msata, now i need to create grub manually on sd card, this is what i am trying to figure out, everything else works: grub.cfg reads -> cryptomount -p (ahci0,msdos2) -> root='crypto0,msdos1' -> linux /vmlinuz root=/dev/mapper/sda2_crypt:root
1590[20:03:03] <brutser> quiet -> initrd /initrd.img <-- the root=/dev/mapper/sda2_crypt:root fails, it is not found. to what value do i need to set root?
1591[20:03:16] <ayjay_t> i guess i just don't know how to configure rules/control and run debuild for a library?
1592[20:03:26] <ayjay_t> and the tutorials on this are really for single binaries
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1599[20:07:07] <ayjay_t> actually after a little bit more research it seems like maybe the learning curve for single binaries to packaging libraries is.... significantly bigger
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1602[20:09:42] <somiaj> ayjay_t: at some level a libary is a compiled binary. When debian says control for a binary package, they mean the packaged .deb you get, vs a source package with contains info about the source (upstream + debian/ additions), which is a different type of package.
1606[20:15:07] <ayjay_t> i'm not reallyy sure what you're trying to tell me there, the control for a library includes information about the source and two packages, name and name-dev
1607[20:15:18] <ayjay_t> which makes sense, although naming them properly is a bit obtuse
1608[20:15:27] <ayjay_t> i'm looking into use bzr now instead of just dh-make
1666[21:19:00] <petn-randall> Zewwy: I'm not sure what you're asking for. Are you really firewalling outgoing traffic?
1667[21:19:17] <spinningcat> i connected my pc to another screen with hdmi cable. I want to use only one screen and want to close up laptop screen. And i want my computer not putting into sleep. How can i do that?
1668[21:19:32] <Zewwy> gross
1669[21:19:37] <petn-randall> Zewwy: If so, then it might be better to pick any other mirror, and then just whitelist the IP address. However, you'll have to manually fix anything when the IP address ever changes.
1670[21:19:54] <spinningcat> is there any setting for that_
1671[21:19:56] <spinningcat> ?
1672[21:19:59] <Zewwy> deb.debian.org is an aliase for prod.debain.map.fastly.net
1679[21:20:58] <dpkg> The best mirror for most users is <deb.debian.org>; other mirrors are listed at replaced-url
1680[21:20:59] <Zewwy> no I'll use the deafult mirror provided by Debian
1681[21:21:01] <petn-randall> Zewwy: ^^^
1682[21:21:32] <Zewwy> it's just be nice if they provided this details in the repo sewctino to say HEY we use Fastly for our CDN and load balacing requirements
1683[21:21:41] <Zewwy> deb.debian.org will match those records
1684[21:21:57] <Zewwy> thus URL cat rules should work just fine, or may need to be added to work behind such firewalls
1687[21:22:28] <petn-randall> Zewwy: If you want to use deb.debian.org, then simply use your favourite packet sniffer, and whitelist all IPs that the mirror resolves and redirects to.
1688[21:22:44] <petn-randall> Should probably be ~500 IP addresses.
1689[21:22:49] <Zewwy> I shouldn't have to reverse engineer the DNS infrasturcture to setup a proper URL category rule for a debian server
1690[21:22:51] <petn-randall> or more.
1691[21:22:54] <Zewwy> yeah
1692[21:23:04] <Zewwy> the whoile point of using URLs instead of direct IPs
1693[21:23:37] <Zewwy> no the firewall already does reverse look ups thus that work is not requried, just be open with yoru CDNs in your docuemtnation
1694[21:23:43] <petn-randall> Zewwy: Or you set up a local apt-cacher-ng, and allow that to talk to any server via 80/tcp.
1695[21:24:25] <petn-randall> Zewwy: What info is missing on replaced-url
1704[21:25:11] <petn-randall> Zewwy: It's literally on that page.
1705[21:25:20] <Zewwy> do a dig or nslookup and you'll see deb.debian.org is just an alias for the URL i just stated
1706[21:25:30] <petn-randall> ...
1707[21:25:42] <Zewwy> fair enough
1708[21:25:54] <Zewwy> I was not shared that that info should be under the repo details area
1709[21:26:05] <Zewwy> but hey nothing like hunting for info
1710[21:26:06] <jmcnaught> spinningcat: if you can't get suspend on lid close to disable in your desktop environment then what I do is set HandleLidSwitch=ignore in /etc/systemd/logind.conf. There's also HandleLidSwitchExternalPower and HandleLidSwitchDocked… Read about them in "man logind.conf"
1725[21:30:15] <petn-randall> Zewwy: So if you really want to firewall egress traffic, set up an apt-cacher with more relaxed firewalling that the other servers access.
1726[21:30:33] <petn-randall> Zewwy: Or use one of the many official mirrors that have static IP addresses.
1727[21:30:42] <Zewwy> or you could just have accurate URLs needing to be hit to work with URL based firewall rules
1728[21:30:49] <Zewwy> but who uses modern fuirewalls these days
1882[23:46:05] <oxek> I was given 50+ old laptops to refurbish and give to schoolchildren for e-learning. Can someone tell me what the real risk is of using the kernel parameter mitigations=off for their workflow, which involves visiting a single school website and using videochat with the teachers?
1883[23:47:12] <sney> it sounds like you're already aware that there isn't much of a practical risk
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1891[23:57:07] <ladderff> hello all, trying to figure out why wifi on my MacBook Pro5,5 would have gotten so much worse after switching from stretch to buster. lspci reports the nic is a BCM4322; I've tried b43 and wl drivers
1892[23:57:46] <ladderff> don't recall having to do anything special under stretch. power management is off according to iwconfig. Link quality 70/70
1893[23:59:05] <sney> oxek: have you checked if the laptops are usable even without mitigations turned off? a lot of the time an "old" laptop is an i5 or something and perfectly usable for normal stuff even with the spectre kernel disadvantage. also, your boss might be interested to know that the zoom problems were server-side