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2[00:00:14] <b1ackandwh1te> lol and those with nanoB bandwidht
3[00:00:22] <somiaj> b1ackandwh1te: another option is to setup an apt-cacher-ng server on your network, and thus you don't have to download packages more than once, and then cache the ones you need.
21[00:07:46] <karlpinc> b1ackandwh1te: You may as well (not really, but...) setup your own local mirror. At least that way your images won't be stale instantly.
33[00:14:59] <karlpinc> Debian has pretty much always assumed some sort of internet connection, imo. It's one of the things that kept me from debian in "the early days" when you couldn't even get dialup into the internet.
34[00:15:19] <karlpinc> Frankly, I no longer recall the hassles.
50[00:28:58] <jhutchins> b1ackandwh1te: I don't know of any admins for the Debian servers who hang out here. Plenty of individual users and some professional sysadmins for other orgs.
62[00:33:27] <b1ackandwh1te> mmmmm, this is just a debate,.. well, windows 10 users dont go to the forums give me windows 11, but microsoft is already on plans i bet.
63[00:33:56] <expon> could someone please help me build a later version of libksba (1.4.0) use gbp? The salsa repository has only a single branch, and import-dsc produces a repository with zero remotes
64[00:34:01] <abrotman> Windows 10 users don't get all their software from a single respository .. they get it from a ton of different download sites
79[00:36:13] <expon> somiaj: i can't build it, the repo has no upstream, there's no populated files, what little snippets i've tried produce incomprehensible errors
91[00:40:27] <somiaj> expon: the new matainer's guide gives a lot of useful info on how to build debian packages, but yes a lot depends on the build process of a particular project and modifying things to fit it.
92[00:40:47] <somiaj> but if you aren't able to build locally, building into a .deb only adds another layer of configurations to the build process
93[00:41:03] <expon> somiaj: in this case the repository contains a single 'debian' folder, no upstream or pristine-tar branch
102[00:42:28] <somiaj> yes, debian packages are built by having everything needed to build the package in a single debian/ folder inside the source.
103[00:42:36] <somiaj> !nmg
104[00:42:36] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
105[00:42:45] <expon> yes i understand that, however this is not inside the source
106[00:43:08] <expon> none of the methods i have tried produce a working gbp folder
107[00:43:16] <expon> cloning means i'm missing the required upstream/ tags
108[00:43:23] <expon> using import-dsc does not set up any remotes
109[00:43:49] <expon> i am a competent linux administrator, but this is absolutely incomprehensible
110[00:43:49] <somiaj> well you might find the support you need is elsewhere, this is more a debian stable support channel, and I didn't even see the lib you named in experiemental (though you may have the wrong package name). You may find #packaging on irc.oftc.net able to give a bit better help on packaging issues
120[00:46:14] <expon> i have pbuilder images of both
121[00:46:16] <somiaj> that is the source for the expiermental package which contains both the upstream source and the debian/
122[00:46:18] <expon> or cowbuilder now
123[00:46:32] <expon> ok, i don't understand how to create that package, and would like to understand how
124[00:46:38] <somiaj> just grab the experiemtnal package from deb-src
125[00:46:54] <somiaj> all the salsa link has is the debian/ folder, which you add to the upstream source to build the package.
126[00:47:01] <miskatonic> another requirement for debian packagers is a large supply of coffee
127[00:47:10] <expon> i've tried that with gbp, and it doesn't create the requisite upstream/ tag
128[00:47:12] <expon> and so the build fails
129[00:47:20] <somiaj> so you need both the debian/ and the upstream source, since there is already an experimental package, just grab that source package and get both the upstream source and debian/ together.
130[00:47:24] <expon> using import-dsc does, but does not set up any remote, so no commands there work either
132[00:47:38] <somiaj> you cannot build the package with just the salsa link, you need the upstream source.....
133[00:47:43] <somiaj> !ssb
134[00:47:44] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
135[00:47:56] <expon> yes i'm aware of that, how should i create the required upstream tag?
136[00:47:59] <somiaj> anways I would try that using the experimental package deb-src line.
137[00:48:11] <somiaj> what do you mean by required upstream tag?
141[00:48:27] <expon> somiaj: when building with gbp buildpackage it complains that upstream/1.3.5 or upstream/1.4.0 is not a valid 'treeish'
142[00:48:28] <somiaj> do you want to change the version of the package to some custom version (tag it)?
143[00:48:35] <expon> which i have gathered through significant googling indicates i'm missing a local tag
144[00:48:55] <expon> that tag is set up correctly if import-dsc is used, but it does not create any remotes and so i am at a loss how to continue from there either
145[00:49:17] <expon> none of the documentation seems to explain anything, it's assumed you basically already know how to use all of this in order to be able to use it.. which is tricky!
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148[00:51:23] <expon> oh and i should say that using gbp clone and then gbp import-orig adds some 600 commits to the repository, writes a huge changelog and then fails to build for the same reason
164[00:58:27] <somiaj> expon: for what it is worth, the source from experiemntal builds just fine in a sid chroot, no errors. I don't know what it is you are trying to do, but you may find that the support you need is elsewhere.
165[00:58:46] <expon> somiaj: i'm sorry i don't really know how i can be more clear, i'm trying to learn how to use gbp
168[00:59:30] <b1ackandwh1te> (alert of toxic environment)
169[01:01:12] <expon> (still cloning btw)
170[01:01:53] <somiaj> ThothCastel: is your batery actually low, is there some bug where the battery is not being detected correctly? Have you looked through kde power manage settings to configure when you get that warning?
171[01:02:05] <miskatonic> one does not need a desktiop for checking the battery status
172[01:02:14] <ThothCastel> somiaj: the battery is fine all good
173[01:02:25] <ThothCastel> I have been told that this is a common issue with kde plasma
175[01:02:35] <somiaj> miskatonic: although true, best to try to provide support vs just adding comments.
176[01:02:46] <ThothCastel> been trying to run a script when battery is low
177[01:02:49] <ThothCastel> so I created this
178[01:03:08] <ThothCastel> kdialog --icon ~/Apps/Config_Low_Battery_Notification/Low_battery_icon.jpeg --title 'Battery Low (15% Custom)' --passivepopup 'Your battery is low. If you need to continue using your computer, either plug in your computer, or shut it down and then change the battery.' 10
179[01:03:17] <ThothCastel> it runs perfectly fine when I manually execute it
180[01:03:34] <ThothCastel> but I need it to be run when the notification comes up
181[01:03:39] <somiaj> ThothCastel: So this notification you created is triggering even when the battery isn't below 15%?
182[01:03:59] <somiaj> oh you want this to trigger when the notification occurs?
191[01:05:21] <ThothCastel> ideally I would like the notification to appear when I am watching a video in full screen
192[01:05:23] <somiaj> hmm, I don't know kde well enough to provide much more help, but that script does have chmod +x so it is executable and a proper shebang, #!/bin/bash as the first line?
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199[01:06:19] <miskatonic> if it is actually bash code ...
200[01:06:50] <ThothCastel> inside of the text file it is the following code only
201[01:07:10] <ThothCastel> kdialog --icon /home/maraujo/Apps/Config_Low_Battery_Notification/Low_battery_icon.jpeg --title 'Battery Low (15% Custom)' --passivepopup 'Your battery is low. If you need to continue using your computer, either plug in your computer, or shut it down and then change the battery.' 10
203[01:08:45] <somiaj> ThothCastel: although maybe not an issue, you can use the full path to kdialog to make sure there isn't a PATH issue when it is being executed.
204[01:09:13] <ThothCastel> somiaj: how can i find the path of kdialog?
205[01:09:24] <somiaj> but you say running '/home/maraujo/Apps/Config_Lob_Battery_Notification/low_battery_custom_videos.sh' does the right thing
216[01:12:19] <somiaj> ThothCastel: Let me just recap, the issue is this notifaction won't appear if you have a full screen video? So if you do something like sleep 30; <your command> -- then run a full screen video, you don't see it popup over the full scren?
238[01:20:18] <ThothCastel> I created a separate script that would create a folder when the powermanagement would trigger the notification for low battery
239[01:20:30] <ThothCastel> but the directory was not created either
240[01:20:35] <ThothCastel> so it wasn't triggered
241[01:20:57] <somiaj> ThothCastel: I was trying to see if there was an option to force it over full screen apps, might be just in how kde handels fullscreen apps.
243[01:21:43] <somiaj> might find some support from kde users more useful, this doesn't sound like a debian specific thing. If there is a kde channel, I would suggest that, as they may better undersatnd how kde works.
244[01:22:19] <ThothCastel> ok cool thanks somiaj
245[01:22:42] <ThothCastel> but regardless, the script i created as a test to be run with power management, should have run, correct?
252[01:24:04] <b1ackandwh1te> i must do a trip tomorrow
253[01:24:36] <somiaj> You could always test by setting the low battery level to 1% lower than you have right now and just wait without being in full screen
254[01:24:56] <somiaj> b1ackandwh1te: we try to keep support questions here, there aer offtopic channels, such as #debian-offtopic
255[01:25:00] <ThothCastel> right good idea
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257[01:25:15] <b1ackandwh1te> somiaj, thanks.
258[01:25:36] <somiaj> ThothCastel: but I would look for kde users, freenode might have a kde channel, and there is #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net
275[01:34:21] <somiaj> yea, I think more and more you have to register just because of spammers, always have to take away nice things due to a small few
276[01:35:31] <ThothCastel> right but the registration process is with nickserv right?
277[01:35:43] <ThothCastel> since I already have a registered nickname here on freenode
278[01:35:50] <ThothCastel> do i need to register again?
279[01:35:58] <ThothCastel> won't it affect my current one with freenode?
283[01:36:59] <ThothCastel> somiaj: between, the test of running the script didn't work either
284[01:37:19] <ksk> ThothCastel: freenode and oftc are different networks. They use the same software to some degree, and both utilize nickserv, yes.
285[01:37:19] <ThothCastel> so the power management isn't triggering the command in quesiton
286[01:38:01] <ThothCastel> ksk: cool - but how can I register a separate nickname with nickserv if I am connected to both freenode and OFTC?
287[01:38:48] <ksk> that depends on your irc-client. Basicly you need to send "help register" to oftc/nickserv
288[01:40:35] <ThothCastel> ksk ok
289[01:40:57] <ThothCastel> I have found that the registration process is the same as I went through way back in the days when I first registered with freenode
301[01:42:56] <ksk> and even though the bots that handle registration and authentication are both named "nickserv", they have _nothing_ to do with each other
302[01:43:41] <ksk> maybe you should join #help - I found them most helpful most of times :)
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323[01:58:36] <bello> ksk: im newbie. i don't know about commands much
324[01:59:02] <ksk> !rsync
325[01:59:03] <dpkg> it has been said that rsync is a superior network file synchronization program. Handy for downloading a Linux kernel, e.g. rsync -avz --partial rsync.kernel.org::pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.29.3.tar.bz2 /usr/local/home/peej/src/ Useful for backups as per replaced-url
326[01:59:10] <ThothCastel> ksk: I am trying to join #help
327[01:59:17] <ThothCastel> it says i must be invited?!
329[01:59:30] <ThothCastel> is this #help channel part of freenode?
330[01:59:57] <ksk> ThothCastel: that would be a channel for network related help, not kde or debian. might be its named #oftc on oftc, not sure. see their webppage - offtopic in here :P
331[02:00:05] <ksk> bello: I see, gimme a second
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334[02:01:18] <ThothCastel> ksk sure sure thank you
342[02:02:44] <ksk> rsync in general (with that switches..) is a tool which enables you to resume file transfers for partially transfered files. the timeout value will make the rsync comand exit after ten seconds of no network-traffic - you might want to adjust it depending on your uplink
343[02:02:51] <bello> ksk: this command i'll run on which server? on receiver? or sender?
344[02:03:24] <ksk> you could do both ways ;) this one is for sender, "host" is the reciever (And it uses ssh as a backend btw, forgot to mention that..)
354[02:07:02] <bello> ok i'll try to test a small file first.
355[02:07:06] <ThothCastel> it seems that I have all versions of jre
356[02:07:16] <ThothCastel> it confuses the hell our of me
357[02:07:29] <bello> ksk: both sides can be root users? is that matters?
358[02:07:36] <ThothCastel> for instance I was instructed to run iced tea
359[02:07:44] <ThothCastel> do you know iced tea?
360[02:07:54] <ksk> ThothCastel: I am not your private google frontend, sorry.
361[02:08:02] <ThothCastel> but yet the app throws me an error
362[02:08:10] <ThothCastel> ksk lolol
363[02:08:22] <ksk> bello: as I said, it uses ssh as the connection-mechanis: so if ssh works that way (root to root), rsync will, t oo.
364[02:08:40] <ThothCastel> you seem to be very knowledgeable
365[02:08:56] <ksk> ThothCastel: you should also work on asking smart question. we have exchanged quite some sentences now again, but not worked on your actual problem
366[02:08:58] <ThothCastel> hence the reason for trying to pick your brain
367[02:08:59] <ksk> !smart questions
368[02:08:59] <dpkg> Asking the right question can be hard, and effective communication is easier if you give us extra information. replaced-url
369[02:09:27] <ThothCastel> ksk: I have loads of problems as I have just now switched to linux
370[02:09:31] <ThothCastel> so I am learning
371[02:09:38] <ThothCastel> appreciate your help though
372[02:10:15] <ksk> ThothCastel: thats totally fine. To give both you and people that try to help you a better experience I really suggest you give the link the bot pasted a read, its a good one - not only related to irc/linux, but for life in general :P
373[02:11:19] <ksk> Instead of saying "I want do run program X with icedtea, and I am getting the Error Xy" - where someone with knowlege of either X or icedtea could give you an answer
374[02:11:26] <ThothCastel> thanks for sharing ksk
375[02:11:28] <ThothCastel> lol
376[02:11:34] <ThothCastel> it is an interesting link
377[02:11:44] <ThothCastel> will read it in a mo
378[02:11:51] <ThothCastel> scanned through it
379[02:11:54] <ksk> You just asked me if I know java or so - and wile I might have used java in the past, I dont really know anything about it :P
380[02:12:09] <ThothCastel> i understand
381[02:12:12] <ThothCastel> the same for me
382[02:12:27] <ThothCastel> got it to work before - a couple of times
385[02:12:48] <ThothCastel> but I have always despised java
386[02:13:12] <ThothCastel> issues were always present
387[02:14:26] <bello> ksk sorry for my English. you started by quote but didn't close it. whats while true meaning in command? the command starting by rsync word? i mean you wrote this - "while true; rsync
388[02:15:19] <ksk> oh sorry, I wanted to close it in " - and they just indicate the command from my spoken text
394[02:18:42] <ksk> "while" is a looping function, which runs until the statement evaluates to false - which "true" will never do, meaning it will run forever. You can kill it with (maybe multiple, fast repeating) presses of "ctrl + c " in that shell running the command (because once the file transfer is finished, it will run again, then tell you "the file is completly transfered" and then start again..
396[02:20:05] <ksk> There might be a graphical solution to your problem, which would maybe rather fit your needs, but I dont really know GUI tools at all.
398[02:21:55] <bello> should i kill it ksk? it will not stop when file transferred?
399[02:23:04] <bello> what will i do if i'll disconnected from ssh session ksk?
400[02:23:14] <ksk> the rsync command itself will stop. the bash programming foo around it will just start it again - because that is what you need for your problem "disconnects while transfering"
401[02:23:26] <bello> can i use transfer command in screen instead?
402[02:24:18] <ksk> you can just use the rsync command, without any other logic, like "rsync -avpP file user@host:/path"
403[02:24:59] <ksk> it will then time-out when your internet fails, but you can just start it again, and it will catch up where it stopped last ti me - maybe easier for you if you do not have any understanding of programming languages and bash in specific
405[02:27:18] <bello> ksk: i'll rerun same command again if i'll disconnected from ssh session during transfer? and it will resume from last point? that's better i think.
406[02:27:46] <ksk> yes.
407[02:28:24] <ksk> you can test that with aborting a running rsync transfer via ctrl + c and then just running the same command again
408[02:31:21] <bello> ok i'll run a test transfer. i arrange a file
435[02:53:29] <ksk> eh I am too dizzy, sorry. complete command would be: "rsync -avpP root@10.0.0.1:/root/somefile ."
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437[02:54:04] <ksk> which means get /root/somefile from remote server 10.0.0.1, and place it in the current working directory
438[02:54:44] <ksk> if you want to transfer a file to a remote, you do "rsync -avpP /some/file root@10.0.0.1:/root/" - which then gets placed in the root directory of the remote server
536[04:42:15] <RodrigoBH> Can anybody please tell me why does my microphone appear on pavucontrol/Input Devices, but not on Settings/Sound/Input? I'm on Buster
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573[04:54:41] <SpeedGoodness> I don't think configure will run without the surrounding files though
574[04:54:55] <somiaj> so use nc termbin.com 9999 < /path/to/file -- though I think the example is meant to show redirecting multiple output, for instance dmesg | nc ... is needed right?
583[04:59:06] <SpeedGoodness> InnovAnon-Inc: it might just be easier to download Berkeley DB 3.3.11 and navigate to build_unix/ and run dash ../dist/configure
584[04:59:07] <RodrigoBH> somiaj: Gnome 3.30.2
585[04:59:20] <InnovAnon-Inc> or autoreconf --verbose --force --install if you've got autotools
588[04:59:32] <somiaj> RodrigoBH: Hmm, I wonder why gnome's tools don't see evertyhing, anyways are you able to completely configure the mic and get it working with pavucontrol?
590[04:59:34] <themill> SpeedGoodness: There's a reasonable chance that you'd be able to autoreconf to generate a new ./configure (assuming that the source files for that are included), but if it works with bash, just use bash
591[05:00:39] <SpeedGoodness> themill: does that require the same old version of those tools?
592[05:00:42] <RodrigoBH> somiaj: Actually I'm trying to understand that now because the mic only produces noise, some days loud noise, other days less loud...
593[05:01:01] <RodrigoBH> that began just the other day
594[05:01:16] <RodrigoBH> but it didn't appeared on Settings since the Debian install
595[05:01:37] <SpeedGoodness> themill: it gives me errors about possibly undefined macro: ...
598[05:02:59] <themill> there's every chance that you'd have to also update the config for autotools for the package; if it currently works with bash then there is no need to go down this rabbit hole.
599[05:03:09] <InnovAnon-Inc> I can't find a working link for that version
600[05:03:21] <SpeedGoodness> thanks
601[05:03:48] <SpeedGoodness> Does that mean update configure.ac by hand?
602[05:04:10] <InnovAnon-Inc> no. you probably don't have autoconf-archive installed, I think
603[05:04:28] <InnovAnon-Inc> better to do this in bash if you're not comfortable with autotools
604[05:04:30] <somiaj> RodrigoBH: each DE has its own pulseapp, and it may have different ways of deciding what to show. I usually suggest pavucontrol or the pacmd command line tool when debugging pulse to make sure the de isn't getting in the way.
605[05:04:39] <somiaj> But I don't understand pulse enough to give more advise than that.
606[05:04:50] <SpeedGoodness> So really it would work if the really old autotools were available
607[05:04:58] <SpeedGoodness> But yes I know bash can work
608[05:04:59] <InnovAnon-Inc> that's easier to acquire
624[05:10:01] <RodrigoBH> somiaj: on pulse and alsamixer I can change the volume of the mic, which changes the volume of the noise. But nothing I say is captured anywhere
625[05:10:21] <somiaj> RodrigoBH: Probably an issue with the gnome sound settings tool. I see on google, you are not alone on this, and the solution seems to be to use pavucontrol
626[05:11:20] <somiaj> also see a few suggestions you need to add some options to the snd_hda_intel module, I don't know what solution is best in your case.
627[05:11:36] <SpeedGoodness> InnovAnon-Inc: if you configure it in bash it will then work in dash
628[05:11:45] <SpeedGoodness> you have to unpack the tarball again
629[05:12:08] <SpeedGoodness> sometimes ...
630[05:12:23] <SpeedGoodness> or it will work and then the Makefile will be bad
631[05:13:01] <RodrigoBH> somiaj: I had different problems a while back, and someone told me to install a package that created the "Monitor of Built-in Audio...". This didn't solve my previous issue, and made the system even more unstable
632[05:13:51] <RodrigoBH> Every time I login, I need to go to pulseaudio to change output to headphone, because it can't detect the pin plugged in
633[05:13:53] <InnovAnon-Inc> lol probably one thing after another. just run everything under bash. echo "./configure && make && sudo make install" | bash
634[05:14:12] <InnovAnon-Inc> or bash configure && SHELL=bash make && SHELL=bash make install
638[05:14:44] <somiaj> RodrigoBH: I do know that with the snd_hda_intel module there is a lot of variety in how ti works with sound cards, and sometimes one needs to manually configure options vs use the auto detected ones. But this can take a bit of trial and error, and i don't know if it will work in this case.
639[05:14:51] <RodrigoBH> Actually it feels when I rub the mic, the noise gets slightly louder
640[05:14:56] <somiaj> RodrigoBH: could be a broken jack, it could be the jack isn't being detected as a mic correctly
641[05:15:28] <SpeedGoodness> many more modern computers can select between line in and microphone for the single input jack
642[05:15:48] <SpeedGoodness> Also, a microphone can operate in mono+phantom power or stereo on some cases
643[05:16:15] <RodrigoBH> Well, I'll take a look at snd_hda_intel then. Thank you!
644[05:16:24] <SpeedGoodness> plugging an electret microphone in a line in jack will result in silence!
645[05:16:48] <RodrigoBH> My PC has about 4 years, but I didn't buy the best case available
646[05:17:03] <somiaj> Yea, there is just a lot of variety, and though in many cases the defaults work, some cards just need a little bit of manualy configuration to force the jack to be the right type.
648[05:17:23] <RodrigoBH> The jacks (for mic and headphone) doesn't work sometimes, I need to move the pin till it works. But this now is totally different
649[05:17:29] <quidnunc> I installed a package via check-install and now I want to remove it but I don't know what it was called. Is there a way to list all packages installed by checkinstall or a way to find out which package a file installed by checkinstall was installed by?
662[05:22:40] <RodrigoBH> Found some files with this name for previous releases: replaced-url
663[05:23:17] <InnovAnon-Inc> I'm pretty sure snd-hda-intel is a kernel driver that you need to handle using modprobe
664[05:23:23] <RodrigoBH> hmm it has found it
665[05:23:25] <mesaboogie> RodrigoBH: snd-hda-intel is a kernel module and if it is the correct module for your sound chip it should be already loaded: lsmod | grep snd-hda
666[05:24:13] <RodrigoBH> it found 2 files
667[05:24:20] <RodrigoBH> but lsmod give nothing, even with sudo
683[05:27:39] <mesaboogie> tells us the modules are loaded
684[05:28:08] <InnovAnon-Inc> do you have anything interesting in /dev/snd?
685[05:28:08] <RodrigoBH> lsmod list only loaded modules? Or is it the numbers?
686[05:28:18] <somiaj> RodrigoBH: you have to use modprobe and myabe /etc/modprobe.d/ configuration files to change the options a module is loaded with.
687[05:28:26] <mesaboogie> RodrigoBH: My chip uses snd-hda-intel and i hae to append options for it to work in 4.0 on n iMac here but that does not mean you need the same module options as I do.
688[05:29:03] <mesaboogie> did this start after a kernel upgrade?
689[05:29:15] <somiaj> RodrigoBH: the first one is to figure out what codec you have and then see what sort of model settings they have for that codec, some can fix issues. Though as you said, it went from working to not working, this more sounds like hardware than an issue with the module.
690[05:29:32] <somiaj> oh yea or a kernel, you could try to old kernels too
691[05:29:35] <RodrigoBH> InnovAnon-Inc, one folder and some yellow files, whose access options start with a "d"
692[05:29:56] <RodrigoBH> they also have a + at the end (of the access options)
693[05:30:15] <InnovAnon-Inc> as root... cat /dev/urandom | padsp tee /dev/snd/by-path/<whatever> /dev/null...hear anything?
694[05:30:25] <RodrigoBH> mesaboogie, I'm not sure. The kernel upgrade with a simple "apt upgrade"?
695[05:30:51] <mesaboogie> yes it can sure
696[05:31:26] <mesaboogie> RodrigoBH: even better question: did this start right after an [ apt upgrade ] ?
697[05:32:31] <RodrigoBH> mesaboogie, it may have, how do I see the dates of my last upgrades?
698[05:32:42] <mesaboogie> good question
699[05:32:51] <RodrigoBH> It was working last Friday. This Monday it was only noise
700[05:33:04] <mesaboogie> try a different ic?
701[05:33:07] <mesaboogie> mic*
702[05:33:10] <RodrigoBH> tried
703[05:33:13] <RodrigoBH> same problem
704[05:33:28] <mesaboogie> does it change when you fiddle with the jack?
705[05:33:43] <RodrigoBH> InnovAnon-Inc, didn't get it. <whatever> must be the name of one of the 2 files on by-path/ right?
706[05:34:12] <RodrigoBH> mesaboogie, yes it changes
707[05:34:22] <mesaboogie> The apt history is in /var/log/apt/history.
708[05:34:24] <RodrigoBH> makes cracking sounds
709[05:34:40] <mesaboogie> hrm maybe a bad jack too
710[05:35:14] <RodrigoBH> mesaboogie, only this month history is there. Is it normal?
711[05:35:27] <mesaboogie> probably rotates
712[05:35:27] <InnovAnon-Inc> yeah
713[05:36:49] <RodrigoBH> Only a few packages updated by that time. Lots of things on 15th though. Kernel updates contains the term "kernel"?
716[05:39:01] <RodrigoBH> the word kernel appears twice: nvidia-kernel-dkms:amd64 (418.74-1, 418.113-1) and nvidia-kernel-support:amd64 (418.74-1, 418.113-1), but on day 9th, and the mic worked after that
717[05:39:23] <mesaboogie> could be pulseaudio or alsa as well
719[05:40:10] <mesaboogie> RodrigoBH: idea: create a new fresh test user, logout and log back in as the test user and see if the issue persists. that could narrow down some things
720[05:40:35] <RodrigoBH> linux-image also on day 9th
721[05:40:56] <RodrigoBH> great idea, I'll do that
722[05:40:58] <mesaboogie> I had a pulseaudio ini file in my $HOME dir hose up my sound the other day
749[06:25:23] <RodrigoBH> I'm getting a message on boot: [Firmware Bug]: TSC_DEADLINE disabled due to Errata; please update microcode to version: 0xb2 (or later)
750[06:25:36] <RodrigoBH> Is it something safe to do? Should I backup first?
762[06:35:03] <dpkg> Microcode are instructions/structures for implementing high-level machine code within processors. The Linux kernel can load updated microcode on most x86 processors. Microcode patches for Intel and AMD64 CPUs are packaged for Debian as intel-microcode and amd64-microcode respectively; installing the relevant package is recommended to ensure system stability. Ask me about <non-free sources>. replaced-url
784[07:11:22] <InnovAnon-Inc> what would cause sound to stop working in docker when switching from an older version of the distro to a newer version of the distro?
800[07:29:41] <RodrigoBH> Reinstalling pulseaudio and then boot only raised the noise bar on pulseaudio, but lowered the noise intensity on Audacity
801[07:29:48] <RodrigoBH> still my voice can't be heard
802[07:30:13] <RodrigoBH> studying snd_hda_intel now
803[07:34:16] <nkuttler> RodrigoBH: is your input perhaps muted?
804[07:34:38] <jim> hi, I got an i7 cpu in an HP probook 650 g1... I'm trying to figure out why my load average is so high (it was bouncing between 1 and 2, I guess it probably should be around 0.1 or so
818[07:43:24] <InnovAnon-Inc> seems like the soundcard is fine lol
819[07:44:03] <InnovAnon-Inc> padsp is what you should run as root... and that's just if running as user doesn't work. it's working fine
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821[07:47:47] <RodrigoBH> Yeah, I'll read about snd_hda_intel and tomorrow I'll open the PC to see if some cable is disconnected
822[07:48:08] <RodrigoBH> Though the intensity of the noise sometimes is too consistent to be a loose wire, to me
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825[07:55:18] <RodrigoBH> The only file about audio on /etc/modprobe.d/ is hda-jack-retask.conf that I installed other day, but it didn't change a thing
826[07:56:20] <RodrigoBH> I asked it to override the pink and green pins with Microphone and Headphone, in the hope that it would dispense me of running pulseaudio evey time I boot
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838[08:13:02] <RodrigoBH> I don't know if that happens, but while Audacity records loud noise (I turned up all controls), Windows on VirtualBox records nothing. But Windows plays audio fine.
861[08:49:17] <Kats99> After upgrading to Thunderbird deb10u1 I get this problem. I have to keep entering my gmail password every time I open Thunderbird. And sometimes I cannot connect to my account at all and I have to do the unlockcaptcha in google accounts to send an email out.
1197[15:17:42] <Eryn_1983_FL> is there a onliner i can run to figure out which login manager i am using? i want to skin it..
1198[15:17:55] <mirko> how can i trigger added interfacews (in my case added vlan interfaces) without taking all configured interfaces down and back up? it wouldn't be /that/ bad, but all virsh managed VMs who are attached completely lose connectivity until being restarted
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1356[16:52:52] <EdePopede> is recursive grep a lie?
1357[16:53:45] <annadane> not sure, is it a cake?
1358[16:54:12] <petn-randall> EdePopede: Sounds like a meta question.
1359[16:54:21] <oiaohm> EdePopede: you mean -r after grep its not a lie but the reasons it stops and does not go into particular areas can be really head scratching at times.
1360[16:54:27] <EdePopede> well, -r only tells me that the file doesn't exist
1361[16:54:44] <EdePopede> so do i have to copy all the files from the subdirectories into $here?
1363[16:55:04] <oiaohm> Is there a symbolic link or mount point in the middle.
1364[16:55:18] <oiaohm> grep -r is picky about those things.
1365[16:55:35] <EdePopede> gosh, 2 minutes until firefox even lets me enter the search, then 2 more to show results, now 2 more and going on to open the limk
1366[16:55:37] <petn-randall> It is about symlinks, but shouldn't care about filesystem borders.
1367[16:55:42] <GNU\colossus> EdePopede, you can always use `find` to get an explicit list of files to grep in, and the use "-exec grep <your-params> {} +"
1369[16:56:15] <EdePopede> it should be *trivial* to do a recursive search. "search $this in $filepattern"
1370[16:56:17] <oiaohm> petn-randall: I know it should not but different versions of grep have different ideas
1371[16:56:24] <EdePopede> if it doesn't work it should be removed
1372[16:57:00] <EdePopede> that's the reasons why i use mc most of the time for fs related things
1373[16:57:04] <EdePopede> or even file
1374[16:57:44] <EdePopede> from the manpage: Read all files under each directory, recursively, following symbolic links only if they are on the command line.
1375[16:57:52] <EdePopede> sounds trivial, doesn't seem to work at all
1380[16:59:40] <EdePopede> as in: grep -R linuxize.com /etc
1381[17:01:04] <oiaohm> EdePopede: --dereference-recursive not just -r . That been loto with grep versions if that has worked at all.
1382[17:01:28] <EdePopede> great, so i can have the filename OR the textline, but not both it seems
1383[17:01:28] <oiaohm> for stuff like that I normally end up back with find and its means to execute commands.
1384[17:02:04] <klaas> can I see which optical cable port is used of my nic without the other side being plugged in yet?
1385[17:02:47] <klaas> want to configure it so it works once the other side is plugged in but I am not sure which port the technician used of the 4 available ones
1398[17:15:01] <EdePopede> i don't want to come up with this old story again, but... i've seen in some cut(1) source from the 90s the comment about -b and -c that it will be necessary to split them off, they were using the same code. that's 1 character === 1 byte.
1399[17:15:38] <EdePopede> grep -H is another design nightmare, just squashes the 2 parts together with a simple colon.
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1521[18:49:26] <estan> hi folks. anyone know, back in jessie, with intel/mesa gfx, what package provides libGLX.so.0? i'm doing some maintenance of an AppImage build of ours, which previously wrongly bundled this library inside the AppImage, so now i'm updating the debian:jessie Docker images we used to test that the AppImage is working.
1522[18:52:28] <sney> should be libgl1-mesa-glx or something close to that
1533[19:02:14] <estan> perhaps libGLX didn't exist back then? (i find it strange though, because it seems it has existed for so long). but when i try `ldd /usr/bin/glxgears` on jessie, it doesn't link against libGLX there, while it does on a more recent debian..
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1538[19:03:18] <estan> a bit of a problem, since our application (indirectly) links against that. i wonder what people building AppImages usually do here.. (our AppImage is built in a CentOS 7 container).
1539[19:03:44] <ratrace> aeon90: both . stable/updates is non-security updates, stable-updates is security updates
1544[19:06:00] <jmcnaught> aeon90: it should also be 'buster' instead of 'stable' so you don't get a surprise half upgrade to bullseye one day after it's released.
1560[19:22:24] <estan> imMute: yea, something must have changed since then. your search there shows that there is no package providing libGLX.so.0 on jessie :/
1561[19:23:55] <estan> maybe we'll just say screw it and say our AppImage is only supported on roughly stretch-era distros :p
1562[19:23:59] <aeon90> ratrace, can I have both stable/updates and stable-updates on the same line?
1563[19:24:47] <ratrace> aeon90: no they're separate repositories for separate roles
1564[19:24:49] <ratrace> !sources.list
1565[19:24:49] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb replaced-url
1567[19:29:47] <estan> hmm. though on CentOS 7, which we're building the AppImage on, libGLX is provided by a libglvnd-glx package, which seems to be a vendor-neutral dispatch library (replaced-url
1568[19:30:27] <estan> (provided libglvnd supports "dispatching to itself" so to speak, i.e. dispatching to a libglvnd on the hold system, which in turn dispatches to the vendor GLX)
1571[19:31:14] <ratrace> estan: I don't know AppImage particularly, very few people are using that, but containerized packaging in general must contain all the libs and files that's needed for the application. in some cases you can bind-mount or use overlay from a run time or host, but... that's advanced systems like flatpak or snaps that do that.
1575[19:33:10] <glow8> I can't seem to get a redirect through a nat working. I have a debian machine acting as a router, and a machine behind a private network (all in VMs). The first machine can connect to the internet, but the second can't. Curiously, the iptables logs show IN=enp0s8 OUT=enp0s3, where enp0s8 is the private network and enp0s3 is the nat. The thing is that I don't get an IN=enp0s3 with the returned
1576[19:33:12] <glow8> data... Any idea?
1577[19:33:39] <glow8> (I want the second machine to be able to connect to internet through the router)
1578[19:35:10] <glow8> The second machine's gateway is the router, and the router is configured with iptables to send the packets back...
1579[19:35:48] <estan> ratrace: yea. we may look at snap/flatpak at some point. for now, AppImage has served us quite well for a number of years. it is not fully containerized, since some parts are assumed available on the host system (e.g. FUSE), and some parts are ill-advised to ship inside the AppImage, like the gfx card vendor's GL implementation.
1580[19:37:16] <estan> (in honesty, we have very few linux users i think, so the AppImage is probably not seeing to much use. we do use it internally though, since it's convenient to just give a file to someone and ask them to test it)
1581[19:38:50] <ratrace> estan: maybe you're talking about kernel features (fuse), and not host-side libraries?
1582[19:39:59] <estan> fuse has a user-space component, and that needs to be installed for AppImages to work (they're auto-mounting ISO file systems i think, mounted by the AppImage preamble using calls to FUSE).
1583[19:40:40] <estan> i didn't know that replaced-url
1584[19:41:23] <estan> but i think for this problem with libGLX, i think we'll just stop supporting the AppImage on jessie-era distros instead. it's EOL in june after all.
1585[19:41:30] <ratrace> estan: well that was my point. containerized applications need to carry ALL the userland software they need, OR you bind-mount paths from the host/overlay/runtime
1586[19:42:21] <estan> right, i just meant to say that AppImage as a technology is not containerized in that sense. it has dependencies on the host system.
1610[19:56:37] <ratrace> and according to your paste, I don't know what you moved, but root is chock full, only ~380MB free, that's probably the ext4 reserved space
1616[19:58:42] <ratrace> inerkick: you could have bigmadbarkingdoglinux for all that matters, but your rootfs is full. besides, this is #debian and we can only support Debian
1633[20:07:26] <inerkick> i already have debian installed and have been using it isn't. I got this file system, i was thinking to remove pupply linux's partition replaced-url
1634[20:08:28] <inerkick> few times i got this issue of lack of storage disk notification. So when i rebooted i couldn't login into debian, so i have to get into puppy and than move few important files to different drives
1640[20:09:20] <ratrace> you obviously need more disk for your use case. even if you put debian there, you'd have the same problem, assuming the same use case
1641[20:09:22] <inerkick> like where is my debian file :-D
1642[20:09:43] <inerkick> so do you recommend to freshly install debian?
1643[20:09:53] <ratrace> inerkick: but again, you can use ncdu to find where teh majority of files are. maybe your /var/log is full and needs cleanup?
1644[20:10:06] <inerkick> what is NCDU
1645[20:10:20] <ratrace> inerkick: I can't recommend anything to solve the "rootfs full" problem, other than "delete unused files"
1652[20:13:41] <ratrace> ncdu doesn't "detect full rootfs", it merely displays what du -sh would, in a ncurses menu . so if it can't descend into a dir and run du there, then the numbers won't be accurate, but it'll complain about no permission
1653[20:15:05] <inerkick> i installed ncdu ratrace
1654[20:15:45] <ratrace> inerkick: so check your ~/ and /var/log , see how much is used there
1658[20:17:24] <ratrace> if you used apt-get instead of apt, you'll probably have a lot of packages cached in /var/cache/apt/archives , you can clean those out with apt-get clean
1659[20:17:29] <cadburn2> i converted my debian server to a VM but i didnt consider my /etc/fstab so it will boot into emergency mode with root locked, adding single to grub didnt work, any other methods?
1661[20:19:01] <ratrace> cadburn2: root is mounted from initramfs and not fstab, so if you reconfigured grub, perhaps you can use init=/bin/bash to get to the root shell and fix whatevre needs fixing. also check that root= kernel command line of grub corresponds to proper rootfs device
1673[20:27:26] <ratrace> inerkick: on debian it's installed by default and in sync with default rsyslog config. maybe in your case it is too, but you never run your computer long enough for the logrotate cron to kick in
1674[20:28:24] <ratrace> then again on buster, it's handled by a systemd timer which afaik will handle such situations
1675[20:28:24] <inerkick> i'm not so aware of these terminologies
1676[20:28:29] <inerkick> just going through though
1677[20:28:44] <ratrace> inerkick: what I'm trying to say is, if that were debian, it wouldn't have happened.
1679[20:29:09] <ratrace> that's why we only support Debian here, we have no idea what kind of changes are done by what kind of distros
1680[20:29:41] <ratrace> !based on
1681[20:29:41] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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1724[21:07:09] <cadburn2> my system hangs at started update utmp about system runlevel changes, lightdm faild to start as well as isc-dhcp-server. how can i fix it?
1725[21:08:25] <cadburn2> i removed the xserver-xorg-video-intel
1764[21:31:05] <f8e4> does debian by default have memtest boot option in grub?
1765[21:31:11] <f8e4> i get lots of sigsev lately
1766[21:31:16] <annadane> !debian-next
1767[21:31:16] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
1768[21:31:18] <annadane> b1ackandwh1te, ^
1769[21:31:30] <b1ackandwh1te> :)
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1777[21:36:18] <b1ackandwh1te> #debian-next, only by invitation...:/
1778[21:36:45] <karlpinc> !otfc
1779[21:36:53] <f8e4> !otfc
1780[21:37:03] <annadane> b1ackandwh1te, reread the factoid
1781[21:37:03] <karlpinc> !oftc
1782[21:37:03] <EdePopede> !oftc
1783[21:37:04] <dpkg> OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may (or may not) be connected to OFTC's network. replaced-url
1784[21:37:16] <Hans-Martin> I'm trying to find out where my conffiles go when an own-built package is installed. I see that they appear as ...dpkg-new when the package is unpacked, and disappear when configured :-(
1785[21:37:29] <annadane> b1ackandwh1te, i suggest possibly not using sid for your level
1787[21:37:36] <annadane> but more bug reports always helps
1788[21:38:06] <b1ackandwh1te> ok
1789[21:38:16] <Hans-Martin> What's the magic word I need to tell dpkg --build to install the config files initially? Or am I trying complicated things before doing simple things?
1833[22:19:22] <petn-randall> Hans-Martin: Sounds like you're doing something funky. Are you trying to do some package builds, or are you trying to restore default config?
1834[22:19:25] <petn-randall> !confmiss
1835[22:19:25] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
1836[22:19:36] <petn-randall> Hans-Martin: Might be relevant. ^
1838[22:20:51] <Hans-Martin> I built a package on my own (using dpkg --build), and when I include the nconfig files but don't list them as conffiles, they get installed.
1844[22:25:38] <Hans-Martin> it's a Rust binary, probably building from source is not straightforward
1845[22:26:26] <Hans-Martin> and I thought that the whole high-level packaging utilities must have a way of telling dpkg-build "these are config files, install them"...
1846[22:27:05] <Hans-Martin> but I agree that it's probably not the way people typically approach packaging :-)
1848[22:27:34] <sney> go to #packaging on OFTC for advice from the actual experts (or #debian-mentors on same if this package will be submitted to debian)
1849[22:28:21] <Hans-Martin> the package will very likely not meet quality goals for a long time, so no submission to debian planned :-) But ty for the pointer!
1850[22:28:53] <sney> !nmg
1851[22:28:53] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
1852[22:29:14] <Hans-Martin> it's just for transport and clean update from development to production machine
1854[22:29:18] <sney> debian packaging is powerful, but it can also be complicated, so it helps to read the manual rather than try to reverse engineer
1855[22:30:00] <petn-randall> Hans-Martin: TBH I don't know how those things are done in dpkg-deb. That's quite a low-level tool that I've never really touched in my packaging experience.
1856[22:30:27] <Hans-Martin> yeah I see. profiting daily from the magic and the time others invested, so I am morally obliged to invest some of my own time :-)
1935[23:55:29] <ratrace> velix: because packages are normally signed. you should avoid repos that don't sign packages
1936[23:56:32] <velix> ratrace: Thanks, but this wasn't my question ;) I'm really annoyed by the need to download the huge gpg stack just to add a non-Debian, but *signed* repository.
1937[23:57:28] <ratrace> doesn't your debian already come with gpg? being that the debian repos are signed'n'all ?
1938[23:58:18] <velix> ratrace: I'm using slim nspawn and chroot containers (built upon minimal). gpg is a huge mess.
1939[23:58:25] <velix> huge in terms of packages and size :)
1940[23:58:54] <velix> Since Debian's keys are preinstalled, I wonder, how they passed the need of gpg.
1941[23:59:09] <velix> So the keys are checked and stored somewhere even without gpg.