89[01:13:50] <hl521> Hey, I'm trying to install zoneminder on one of my debian servers, yet it's stopping on an issue with libpng12. It asks me to run apt --fix-broken install, and it fails upon trying to fix. I'm really confused how you're supposed to fix borked dependencies on Debian
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91[01:14:32] <sney> !bat
92[01:14:33] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
93[01:15:21] <Arrowmaster> libpng12 was last available in debian jessie, you are trying to install a package created for an old version of debian
94[01:16:36] <hl521> that's interesting, maybe zoneminder doesn't have up to date packages
95[01:16:44] <hl521> I know Ubiquiti struggles with the same issue
128[01:28:54] <oxek> I was thinking of using btrfs for my external hdd, but I see there is a massive version difference between btrfs in -stable and latest. Latest seems to have lots of bugfixes. Is it safe (for my data) to use the version in debian-stable, or should I just stick to ext4?
129[01:29:23] <sney> hl521: it helps to use vms or lxc when you need to kludge something together for a proprietary vendor package. I haven't used unifi video in about a year, but I think I remember having to deal with this as well
130[01:29:42] <sney> hl521: there is a package called equivs that you can use to tell apt a package is installed when it isn't. This is probably your best bet.
131[01:30:10] <hl521> why does debian feel so strangely unstable with this when you have to backtrack on older packages lol
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135[01:31:07] <Arrowmaster> so this is actually not a great idea, but you can find the last version of libpng12-0 compiled for debian (for stretch i think) at replaced-url
137[01:31:38] <sney> dealing with 3rd parties going halfway on dependency stuff is outside of debian's scope. sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
138[01:31:45] <sney> and mixing releases is definitely not supported.
139[01:31:52] <hl521> yeah that's understandable
140[01:31:59] <sney> you can break anything if you twist it far enough.
141[01:32:02] <Arrowmaster> hl521: people call debian slow but there are so many 3rd parties that just wont stay up to date and are even older in their packages
142[01:32:16] <hl521> but I mean for dedicated server stuff for Unifi and whatnot, it almost seems better to just roll Gentoo for this
147[01:33:10] <hl521> hm yeah but afaik, Docker isn't well supported for ZoneMinder nor Shinobi
148[01:34:17] <sney> lxc is great for that. run the stupid vendor software in a container, break the container as much as you want, it doesn't affect the host system or the other containers
149[01:34:44] <sney> it's basically just a chroot jail, docker is unnecessary extra gunk if you're deploying on one machine
150[01:35:13] <hl521> I hear docker also requires to constantly run at root priviledges
152[01:35:46] <sney> these instructions are up to date, I used them to deploy a nagios4 instance on a buster server a couple months ago. replaced-url
153[01:35:52] <hl521> do you think Podman would be a better alternative over LXC for Docker?
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155[01:37:11] <sney> first I've heard of it. it's probably fine depending on the use case, as is docker, but again you don't need any "container engine" for just managing one or two lx
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157[01:37:35] <hl521> ah kk
158[01:37:36] <sney> that stuff really shines when you need to scale up. it's extraneous otherwise.
166[01:42:24] <velix> On my dev system, I've installed kernel 5.5.17-1~bpo10+1 on buster, but it doesn't appear to be default after reboot. Does grub have a way to set the default kernel ?
175[01:44:54] <randompleb> Hi, Debian Security says that webkit doesn't get updated. It further says that users are safe if they use firefox or chromium. If webkit isn't updated, isn't that a security risk? Can someone explain?
179[01:47:02] <jmcnaught> randompleb: webkit2gtk has security support in buster, so browsers based on it have security support (along with Firefox and Chromium). You're recommended not to use any of the other browsers for sites you don't control or trust.
187[01:49:52] <jmcnaught> yes, those browsers get security support. Chromium support has ended for stretch however.
188[01:49:55] <randompleb> Because it uses webkit2gtk. Other browsers use some other webkit implementation not supported by the security team at Debian?
189[01:50:22] <randompleb> Am I getting this right?
190[01:50:47] <jmcnaught> Firefox and Chromium use their own rendering engines, and then there are some browsers that use webkit2gtk in Debian that are also supported.
191[01:51:07] <randompleb> Oh, I see. Thanks.
192[01:51:11] <jmcnaught> Other browsers using other webkit libraries or khtml are not covered by security support.
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228[02:22:14] <jim> hi, I'm trying to use efibootmgr to set up a boot order, and when I run efibootmgr with no args, it says: No BootOrder is set; firmware will attempt recovery
286[03:20:49] <Lampion> Hello everyone, kind of a newbie question but how do you get su privileges on a bootable Debian ? What's the default su password ?
307[03:45:59] <cybercrypto> Lampion: After you boot you live image, open a terminal and type the suggested command (you will be logged as liveuser probably) and will become root.
310[03:47:29] <zu22> Hi, running Jessie. I just installed awstats package and noticed it created a file /usr/lib/cgi-bin/awstats.pl . How do I access this script through a URL? I tried replaced-url
313[03:49:35] <jmcnaught> zu22: did you look at /usr/share/doc/README.Debian.gz? There are instructions there. Also it's time to upgrade, jessie LTS is almost over.
350[04:11:51] <jim> dvs, this is an HP probook 650 G1, and I haven't seen a machine do so much with efi, when I boot, it says it can't find a "BootOrder", and that "firmware will attempt to recover"
380[04:33:44] <jim> I didn't want to have you exoecting me to reply to something you might say, while I'm really afk trying to see what's what
381[04:34:22] <jim> I appreciate your attention... and I'm not able to use it the entire time
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383[04:38:34] <jim> ok, I ctrl-Ded out of the chroot, then ctrl-Ded out of the shell in the installer env, and I got a menu that included reinstall boot loader
441[05:27:05] <inerkick> Hi. I'm using Debian 10, but it was warning me like memory needs to be cleaned or on those lines. Today when I logged in the booting is on the flash(loop). Kindly help
442[05:27:19] <inerkick> I'm currently using puppylinux to have this chat window.
446[05:37:55] <somiaj> infernix: you would most likely have to paste the exact warning/errors you get. Also this maybe relevent
447[05:37:58] <somiaj> !warnings
448[05:37:58] <dpkg> Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy.
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483[06:25:21] <sgo11> nkuttler: thanks a lot for the reply. Not change, the file does not exist, I create the entire file from scratch. but whatever, I just logout and re-login. :)
508[06:51:16] <randompleb> Thanks aptitude helped listing non-free packages. Also thanks Judd. vrms worked too (kinda funny name).
509[06:52:50] <randompleb> Also, I wrote here earlier about debian's stance on patching webkit vulnerabilities. I assume Firefox to use webkitgtk2+? What other software install webkit implementations that are not covered by debian's policy and how could I find if I have any software installed that uses a webkit implementation not supported?
511[06:54:47] <randompleb> Should I find any pattern matching '*webkit*' on my hard drive?
512[06:54:49] <jmcnaught> Firefox does not use webkit, it has its own called gecko.
513[06:54:57] <randompleb> oh, I see
514[06:55:55] <jmcnaught> Chromium's is called Blink, it was forked from Webkit a while ago, which was forked from KHTML a long time ago.
515[06:57:10] <randompleb> Ah, I think I've got a bit of reading to do then. I am not well informed on topics relating to website technologies. Thanks for the info.
516[06:58:10] <Logg> it's like the same thing they just wanted to call it blink cause they did so much work on it.
522[07:00:21] <jmcnaught> randompleb: you could run "aptitude search ~i~nwebkit" or "dpkg -l | grep webkit" to see the packages with webkit in the name installed on your system. Then you could run "apt-cache rdepends <webkit package>" or "aptitude why <webkit package>" to see what depends on that webkit library
526[07:01:12] <jmcnaught> Or just see what will get removed if you remove the webkit library. apt-get has a -s option to simulate an action, you don't even need to be root to use it.
527[07:01:13] <randompleb> Yes, I tried dpkg -l | grep webkit earlier but it didn't list any packges. I assume that means I don't have any webkit implementations installed on my system?
528[07:02:13] <jmcnaught> That's what it sounds like to me. I have a couple, including one that's not supported (libqt5webkit5) as far as I know.
529[07:02:50] <randompleb> Yes, it seems to be the case. Thanks for your help.
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562[07:59:37] <sponix> anyone remember how I can see what all the zfs-dkms and other zfs packaged depend on if I am going to backport 0.8.4 from Sid to Buster ?
570[08:05:05] <sponix> Will write to the backports crew and just see if someone will do the 0.8.4 to buster backports for me. Haven't had much luck with request prior though :P
590[08:14:01] <sponix> screw it... I'm gonna go for it
591[08:14:07] <sponix> !ssb
592[08:14:07] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
599[08:31:41] <sponix> themill somiaj : guess I deserve a bit fat "I told you so" ... my MX is screwing up on doing the backport of zfs. I am firing up a real Debian Buster VM to see if that plays better :)
610[08:40:10] <themill> dadinn: that's pretty vague. Real commands and real output help a lot
611[08:40:16] <dadinn> actually /var/lib/apt/lists has a few files, and also /var/cache/apt/archives has lots of .deb files... also a /debootstrap folder... but nothing is installed
612[08:40:38] <dadinn> i cannot chroot into it, as it says no /bin/bash found
613[08:40:45] <dadinn> obviously nothing was installed
614[08:40:54] <dadinn> installed/exctracted
615[08:41:24] <dadinn> this used to work with stretch
621[08:45:30] <themill> sponix: I kicked it off while we were talking earlier
622[08:46:02] <themill> (I've not tested that the backported packages actually work, but they do compile!)
623[08:46:37] <dadinn> the command I ran was: debootstrap --arch amd64 --include lsb-release,dirmngr,ca-certificates,xz-utils,info buster /mnt/instroot replaced-url
624[08:47:26] <sponix> themill: well if you get bored enough to confirm they work while I am attempting to do the build. Don't be shy to let me know and share in case I fail (pretty knew at this stuff)
625[08:47:35] <themill> dadinn: presumably with a correct mirror at the end?
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627[08:47:53] <dadinn> there seems to be some warnings: W: Couldnet download package libaudit-common...
628[08:48:18] <dadinn> and also libsystem0...
629[08:48:48] <themill> dadinn: ftp.uk.debian.org can be a bit flaky sometimes. Using deb.debian.org might be better
630[08:49:07] <dadinn> themill: well, the .deb files are downloaded from somewhere... and this UK mirror used to work before, I always used it
631[08:49:37] <themill> "Could not download" does rather tend to say that it isn't reliable?
632[08:49:45] <dadinn> themill: hmm, ok let me try with that one
634[08:50:46] <inerkick> Hi. I'm using Debian 10, but it was warning me like memory needs to be cleaned or on those lines. Today when I logged in the booting is on the flash(loop). Kindly help
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638[08:55:06] <dadinn> themill: how come ftp.uk.debian.org is flaky? You said "sometimes"... I am assuming you've encountered this before?
639[08:55:12] <sponix> themill: if mine does work out. I am going to feel VERY accomplished :) .... Also, either way, I appreciate your assistance/help
640[08:55:59] <dadinn> themill: indeed the default mirror worked!
644[09:01:26] <themill> dadinn: yes, I've seen ftp.uk.d.o do all manner of things like this. It routinely ends up with a full disk, fails to sync etc. It's great that volunteers host mirrors and provide bandwidth etc, but sometimes the commercial cdn donating its services is simpler
649[09:05:32] <sponix> themill: been a blast so far.. Testing in the VM right now. If that works, going to bring the debs over and see if they work on my MX host :)
652[09:09:10] <dadinn> themill: thanks for the help and the insight!
653[09:09:54] <backupluis> Hi everybody, Im running out of space in /usr and I want to remove /usr/share/doc that take about 3gb of my disk, is there any good way to do or just a rm -R
654[09:12:29] <backupluis> There is a folder texlive-doc with 1.5 Gb with many .pdf files???? inside of share/doc, do I need this pdf files?
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657[09:14:15] <themill> backupluis: they are the docs for texlive; if you like using those docs then keep them, if not, then try uninstalling all the texlive.*-doc packages.
659[09:14:56] <backupluis> Yes, and I was searching on the net What is textlive and what is for? and found nothing that I can use
660[09:14:58] <themill> backupluis: you *can* exclude /usr/share/doc/ at the dpkg level and it will just work fine (and if you do that, then yes you delete the directory)
661[09:15:24] <backupluis> Not a powerful linux user, just use to program and to design
662[09:15:25] <themill> if you don't know what texlive is (LaTeX), then you're probably not using it, so uninstalling is fine
663[09:15:44] <backupluis> Noooo, really I just discovered its name, hehehehe
664[09:16:40] <backupluis> So, I can uninstall and/or purge LaTeX and maybe the /share/doc/textlive goes alone without rm
665[09:16:53] <backupluis> That is almost 1.5gb
666[09:17:34] <themill> there's a chance that texlive is needed by something you care about; its documentation shouldn't be requireed
667[09:17:45] <backupluis> Ohhh
668[09:17:45] <sponix> themill: think I have it under control. This will allow me to chase higher kernel version numbers !!
670[09:18:30] <themill> backupluis: texlive sometimes gets used by other programs to render text, particularly for typesetting equations or other maths
671[09:18:56] <backupluis> Mmmm, the only near to that, that I could use is LibreOffice
672[09:19:16] <backupluis> I can uninstall, then if something dont work reinstall
673[09:19:29] <backupluis> I think is the best option, then I can find if I really need it
674[09:20:18] <backupluis> Ohh, is for shure that when I try to uninstall if some package need it I be warned
737[10:30:04] <diogenes_> Hey guys apt install winetricks gives me "Package winetricks is not available, but is referred to by another package..." how do i find the package it's referred to?
754[10:41:39] <paddy> i had a supertuxkart yesterday with a very bad performance on a Rizon 5 with a radeon rx590. so i checked "lspci -v" and it only mentions "amdgpu" as module not as in use
755[10:41:53] <paddy> what could i do to find out if the driver is used?
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760[10:43:59] <sponix> paddy: amdgpu is what should be used for that. You most likely want the most recent firmware and the backports kernel for the best support the RX 590 can do
807[11:19:58] <Surfer2011> the drive is empty so it could be formated any way i want
808[11:20:45] <ratrace> Surfer2011: whta if you used ntfs-3g directly? I can't remember if mount -t ntfs uses that or that older kernel module
809[11:21:17] <Surfer2011> like mount -t ntfs-3g /dev.... ?
810[11:21:39] <ratrace> no. `ntfs-3g /dev/...`
811[11:21:52] <Surfer2011> without mount?
812[11:22:18] <ratrace> Surfer2011: `man ntfs-3g`
813[11:23:55] <Surfer2011> does not work
814[11:24:16] <ratrace> !doesn't work
815[11:24:16] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
888[12:34:01] <oxek> CrazyTux: as much as possible
889[12:34:08] <nobyk> CrazyTux: I would guess at the very least, 8gb
890[12:34:20] <CrazyTux> my laptop has only 4 GBs
891[12:34:23] <oxek> 4GB for DE, 12GB for programs in debian, 4GB for windows, 12GB for programs in windows
892[12:34:30] <abrotman> what?
893[12:34:40] <nobyk> But life will be terrible
894[12:34:52] <CrazyTux> and probably it can be upgraded to 8 GBs max
895[12:34:54] <abrotman> CrazyTux: you can try it, it'll probably swap like crazy
896[12:35:13] <CrazyTux> I am using Windows 10 in a dual boot setup
897[12:35:30] <oxek> a heavy DE in debian easily takes 4GB for itself, and then you need some RAM to run other stuff in debian. Win10 easily takes 4GB for itself and then you need some RAM for other programs running in Windows.
898[12:35:30] <CrazyTux> but, I think installing Windows in a VM would be better.
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905[12:36:18] <abrotman> oxek: I'd take a wild guess that the browser is likely to take more than the DE
906[12:37:00] <nobyk> CrazyTux: Why do you think that would be better?
907[12:37:06] <oxek> on my machine, gnome with all bells and whistles takes 3GB before even starting any programs - and more importantly already starts swapping.
908[12:37:19] <CrazyTux> nobyk, wouldn't it be better?
950[12:51:23] <Lampion> I'm trying to set up a virtual network on qemu with virt-manager, and it happens I have to manually set bridging by editing the setup file under etc/networks/interfaces.d.
952[12:52:16] <Lampion> I edited it, restarted networks, and it failed, as it was not finding my wifi card. What puzzles me is that before I restarted the network interface, internet worked fine and I could access it with no problems.
953[12:52:41] <Lampion> After the restart, I was cut off from the internet even though wifi was activated and running.
955[12:53:12] <Lampion> I rebooted, and it worked again.
956[12:55:15] <Lampion> Why is it ? How do I get my eth0 card to be recognized ? Last, is there a safe way to edit the setup file so I can get bridging to work without screwing up my network interface ?
968[13:00:53] <oxek> CrazyTux: lxqt replaces it entirely. Somebody might pick up maintenance of lxde but there's little point.
969[13:01:58] <CrazyTux> oxek, ok. So, no further development work will be seen in that project, then?
970[13:02:50] <oxek> exactly. No new development from current lxde/lxqt developers, perhaps only some bugfixes for a while, unless somebody else picks up lxde. Like the case with gnome2 and MATE.
976[13:04:32] <miskatonic> may single components maintained independently, such as lxterminal and the gtk greeter for lightdm?
977[13:05:00] <oxek> New debian-stable installation. Using nouveau drivers, not nvidia proprietary. Suspend to RAM. Resume PC. Graphical corruption, no keyboard input possible (not even numlock light would toggle). Had to hard restart. How do I find out the cause?
989[13:10:48] <Lampion> No problem, proprietary software is installed properly since the day I installed Debian, that was the first thing I did in order to have my wifi card function.
990[13:11:15] <Lampion> Yet network interfaces are acting strangely.
1010[13:24:59] <CrazyTux> oxek, do you think lxqt is better than lxde? how stable and bugfree is it compared to lxde?
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1012[13:27:01] <oxek> CrazyTux: I liked lxde. Lxde not being developed anymore is a death sentence to it, so there's no point using it anymore and might as well move onto lxqt (and report, possibly fix, bugs).
1026[13:29:55] <oxek> ratrace: I find i3 and similar problematic. Every time I install a new program I have to keep fiddling with i3 to make things work the way I want instead of using the actual program...
1029[13:30:49] <oxek> New debian-stable installation. Using nouveau drivers, not nvidia proprietary. Suspend to RAM. Resume PC. Graphical corruption, no keyboard input possible (not even numlock light would toggle). Had to hard restart. How do I find out the cause?
1031[13:31:37] <ratrace> oxek: install nvidia proprietary and see if that works. I'd blame nouveau here from personal experience with broken suspend-resume
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1033[13:32:28] <oxek> I had nvidia proprietary before, but it gave me no extra performance so I went back to nouveau
1037[13:33:04] <oxek> so I'd imagine nouveau would be fine with it
1038[13:33:22] <ratrace> fine but, the idea here is to remove variables one by one, starting with nouveau.
1039[13:33:37] <oxek> what sucks is that there are no logs from the crash. Almost as if access to the hdd did not work to write out the logs
1040[13:34:12] <ratrace> which further implies kernel-level hang from faulty drivers
1041[13:35:16] <sgo11> hi, I am not sure how to call the mouse select clipboard and the ctrl+c clipboard properly in Enlgish. Can I make them the same? I mean whenever I use mouse select to copy, I can use ctrl+v to paste the selection. Thanks.
1044[13:36:45] <ratrace> sgo11: primary selection buffer, and clipboard buffer. should be possible depending on which DE and programs you use
1045[13:37:30] <sgo11> ratrace: thanks a lot for the reply. I am running xfce. I would like to set both buffers the same system wide. Is that possible? Thanks.
1051[13:38:58] <ratrace> sgo11: there's tools like
1052[13:39:01] <ratrace> !info autocutsel
1053[13:39:06] <dpkg> autocutsel: (Keep the X clipboard and the cutbuffer in sync), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.10.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 53 kB
1083[13:49:38] <ratrace> sgo11: in xorg, there are only three buffers: primary selection, secondary and the ctrl+c clipboard. pretty much no program is using the secondary one, so your terminal should be affected by those merging tools as well.
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1104[14:10:18] <miskatonic> terminal copy and paste? only in various editors and terminal multiplexers, and then with non-portable bindings. It cannot be synced in general
1106[14:13:02] <sgo11> ratrace: I tried parcellite. It can sync primary and ctrl+c clipboard. but it doesn't sync ctrl+w one in terminal. Is that called secondary selection? In terminal, ctrl+w will cut the last word separted by space and ctrl+y will paste all the cuts.
1140[14:48:53] <sgo11> ratrace: I used ctrl+w and ctrl+y a lot in terminal. I think they are not system thing, it's something special in terminal. so ctrl+w can not sync with clipboards.
1155[15:03:29] <sgo11> yeah, that is kinda what I mean. In terminal, C-w is like cutting word one by one. and C-y to paste all of them at once. So if I input "hello world foobar", C-w will make it "hello world", C-w again will make it "hello". C-y will paste "world foobar" back. I hope this can be synced to clipboards if possible. But I don't think it's possible.
1201[15:38:48] <dpkg> Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. replaced-url
1202[15:39:05] <annadane> see what (as root) dmesg | grep -i firmware says
1245[16:00:26] <annadane> ZenWalker, i looked in the man page and couldn't find anything and this isn't really an answer to your question but section 5.4.2 on replaced-url
1246[16:00:59] <jmcnaught> brutser: you'll probably need to read about how to edit apparmor profiles. What are you trying to test?
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1297[16:27:59] <generic> Made myself a debian to load into the ram any ideas how I could shrink it? I have 2.2G at the moment firefox is crashing alot :(
1321[16:51:22] <efloid> i found an odd directory named '_!(!!cg"p!(}!}@"j!(k!|w"w!'\''8!b!"p!'\'':!e@==' which I cannot delete. I tried rm -rf ./_\!\(\!\!cg\"p\!\(\}\!\}@\"j\!\(k\!\|w\"w\!\'8\!b\!\"p\!\'\:\!e@\=\=/ and it doesn't give an error message, but the directory is still there
1322[16:52:00] <efloid> looks like the characters got messed up here when pasting them
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1354[17:03:12] <jmcnaught> oxek: mark the packages you want to keep as manual. More trouble than it's worth in my opinion. Does ristretto take up a lot of space?
1380[17:13:15] <oxek> once I learn how to remove one, I assume the process is similar for the others
1381[17:13:24] <jmcnaught> oxek: desktop environments in Debian are installed by metapackages which depend on the collection of packages in that DE. Removing a package that a metapackage depends on also removes the metapacakge. Then apt autoremove wants to remove all the other packages that metapackage installed automatically.
1382[17:13:44] <mesaboogie> oxek: start with base and go from there.
1383[17:13:46] <mesaboogie> =)
1384[17:13:50] <jmcnaught> oxek: therefore you can mark the packages you want to keep as installed manually, and autoremove won't try to remove them.
1385[17:14:02] <jmcnaught> oxek: still, it's a lot of work to save a few megabytes
1406[17:28:33] <brutser> spice-vdagentd service did not start, how can i find the reason why a service did not start, what logs to see?
1407[17:28:43] <EdePopede> should be not too hard to script it. `apt-cache rdepends ristretto` then read the "Reverse Depends:" entries and continue with them. ristretto → xfce4-goodies → { xfwm4, task-xfce-desktop | desktop-base }
1409[17:32:19] <jmcnaught> brutser: "systemctl status spice-vdagentd" and "journalctl -u spice-vdagentd" Note that the package (which I don't have installed) has a systemd .socket unit too, so it may be socket activated.
1420[17:45:01] <efloid> epsilon: the drive is a usb drive
1421[17:45:02] <phogg> efloid: if you single-quote the string then you don't need to escape anything. If it has embedded single quotes then you have to handle those separately, though.
1424[17:46:40] <phogg> efloid: mount --bind the dir to somewhere else, then mount a tmpfs over top of it, then rm the file from the bind mounted location. Does the then exist in the tmpfs or the bind mounted location?
1425[17:46:46] <phogg> my theory is something recreating it
1466[18:22:04] <jmcnaught> zoidberg: probably because of limited resources. If you need to install a different version of Java you could try the java-package package.
1467[18:23:01] <Phase> Do you know the cmd so only regged users can pm you?
1468[18:23:33] <jmcnaught> Phase: they would probably know in #freenode
1483[18:30:07] <aaardvark__> I have a google cloud instance I just created running debian 10 - apt-get is not there. What do I need to do to install things?
1508[18:42:42] <aaardvark__> phogg: ty - I just had alteady done what bomb suggested
1509[18:42:46] <aaardvark__> thank you all
1510[18:42:50] <BazookaTooth> Phase: the +R one. just forgot since i have them in my config
1511[18:42:52] <bomb> welcome
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1513[18:43:17] <aaardvark__> I do have to say that I am somewhat unimpressed by the OS that google created - I have used them with ubuntu and not had these issues
1514[18:43:25] <aaardvark__> I blame google though
1631[20:23:43] <somiaj> tobra: this is part of why people use raspbian, they have images that are already to copy to the sd card and boot. I think doing this manually takes a bit more work since the firmware on those boards doesn't allow for a traditional install.
1633[20:24:21] <somiaj> so even if your final goal is to use debian, maybe grab a raspbian image and see if that works (raspbian kernels contain patches that help them work better on pi hardware)
1634[20:24:38] <somiaj> (that may also help you figure out if you do ahve a hardware problem)
1635[20:25:02] <jmd> What is a safe(ish) way to install a single package from testing, when I'm actually running on stable?
1639[20:25:23] <somiaj> jmd: what you do is compile your own package
1640[20:25:24] <somiaj> !ssb
1641[20:25:25] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
1642[20:25:40] <somiaj> you can use testing sources instead of sid sources with those instructions.
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1644[20:26:25] <somiaj> (note there are very rare exceptions where the package depends are fully met in stable, but I the above is the best answer for most cases)
1658[20:34:54] <oxek> debootstrap debian onto a sdcard
1659[20:36:13] <somiaj> oxek: well that is one reason it exists, but yes, though one still needs to make the sd card bootable.
1660[20:36:31] <somiaj> I was more saying, that the raspbian images have already done all this, and it is a quick way to check if it is a hardawre issue or not
1662[20:37:03] <oxek> so I heard there's some bot that tells you how hard it would be to backport some package from testing to stable, anyone know what bot that is?
1663[20:37:43] <somiaj> the bot judd can 'checkbackport packagename'
1664[20:37:51] <oxek> somiaj: I think raspbian rubs me the wrong way for including all sorts of unnecessary stuff
1665[20:39:20] <oxek> somiaj: not sure I understand the output of judd. "Backporting package scrcpy in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12)." but I successfully backported that package with no issues.
1669[20:40:06] <somiaj> sure, raspbian is not debian and you may not like it. That doesn't change the fact that it is an image that is ready to work on raspberry pi's, and could be a quick test if there is a hardawre issue, vs an issue doing all the small stuff debian needs.
1672[20:40:22] <somiaj> In addition, raspbian's kernels are designed for pi's and there are various genreations of pi's that only work with that modified kernel.
1678[20:41:18] <sney> the debhelper-compat thing in judd's checkbackport is a fluke, but if that's the only incompatibility it lists, you're good to go
1679[20:41:24] <somiaj> You should also look up what the compat setting is in building debian packages. In the case of stable, buster contains debhelper 12, so it would work just fine.
1680[20:41:45] <somiaj> yea, seems judd hasn't updated that for buster and still thinks that the debhelper compat level is the one in stretch
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1691[20:52:43] <somiaj> oxek: judd just looks at the build-depends of a package, which you can find in the control file in the debian/ of the source (it is part of the deb-src infomation in apt too)
1692[20:52:52] <somiaj> so deb-src packages know the build-depends
1697[20:58:08] <somiaj> basically it is the same info apt uses with 'apt build-dep package'
1698[20:59:00] <sney> if the only issue is "Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 13)" then you can proceed with the backport, that doesn't actually interfere with the build at all
1699[20:59:15] <sney> if you were going to distribute the package, lintian would complain, but that's it
1710[21:13:17] <somiaj> All the compat level does is what sort of assumptions/features debian helper has, sometimes people bump the compact to keep up with the policy, but the package would beuild in 12 and 13 for instance too.
1724[21:18:57] <dpkg> Since the 6.0 "Squeeze" release, Debian installation images for x86 systems - e.g. <netinst>, <CD1>, DVD1 - are hybrid images. These can be written directly to CD or HD Media (e.g. USB thumbdrive) without further preparation. See replaced-url
1725[21:19:29] <sney> tl;dr - every debian iso for the past 10 years is the "usb version" even though the file ends in .iso
1726[21:19:37] <somiaj> hansol: Unles you really want an offline copy of a lot of packages, most prefer the netinstall image, and then only download the packages you need with apt.
1727[21:20:08] <somiaj> also only cd1/dvd1/br1 will have the installer, the additional cd's wont' come with the instalelr
1728[21:20:10] <hansol> so cd 1 will be ok to create usb bootable for install ?
1729[21:20:16] <sney> yes
1730[21:20:26] <hansol> ok, i have another question
1731[21:20:46] <sney> also don't use unetbootin or rufus, just write the iso directly to usb
1732[21:21:11] <hansol> just copy iso file to usb on win ??
1733[21:21:21] <somiaj> !win32diskimager
1734[21:21:21] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
1735[21:21:49] <hansol> oke.
1736[21:21:58] <hansol> jsut one question
1737[21:22:03] <karlpinc> !firmware images
1738[21:22:03] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
1739[21:22:13] <hansol> with web control panel like ispconfig is good to install on debian ? is there ispconfig good alternative for debian ?
1740[21:22:22] <karlpinc> hansol: The unoffical images above are very useful.
1741[21:23:09] <karlpinc> !free whcp
1742[21:23:09] <dpkg> FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. replaced-url
1743[21:23:19] <sney> web control panels are usually a security risk. if you absolutely need one (e.g. you have hosting clients who don't need shell access) then it doesn't really matter which one you use, just make sure to lock down access.
1744[21:23:36] <sney> but if it's only you using the server, skip it
1746[21:23:42] <karlpinc> hansol: Web control panels are a mistake IMO. Better to leave yourself comments in a config file that say _why_ you did what you did.
1747[21:24:29] <hansol> karlpinc after i install debian i have to install unofficial packeds ?
1749[21:25:11] <karlpinc> hansol: The debian default is to install only free software. If you want/need non-free software you need to tell it to enable the non-free repos during the install. But...
1753[21:26:39] <karlpinc> hansol: That's too late for the official installer, which contains only free firmware. If you need non-free firmware to make your hardware work you can a) follow the instructions in the install guide and download them separately and figure out what you need, or b) use the unoffical installer with non-free firmwawre already included and let the installer figure out what your hardware requires.
1770[21:34:49] <somiaj> all /etc/hosts provides is a local hostname resolution, not all tools this as joepublic pointed out.
1771[21:35:28] <somiaj> if the ip is located in /etc/hosts, grep 'name' /etc/hosts would work, but I though your question was how to turn a hostname into an ip. There are various ways, host is one way.
1772[21:35:29] <joepublic> host(1), being a dns lookup utility, won't look in /etc/hosts.
1773[21:35:42] <hansol> the last verison is debian 10 or 9 ? stable i mean
1774[21:35:51] <karlpinc> hansol: 10 (buster)
1775[21:35:54] <somiaj> hansol: the current version is 10.4 (buster)
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1777[21:36:36] <joepublic> `host localhost` if still in doubt
1786[21:41:10] <f8e4> wonder if ssh can print it somehow
1787[21:41:35] <f8e4> otherwise awk
1788[21:41:57] <somiaj> hansol: I don't like step 6 (but I also don't like web based config tools, you should just learn to configure from the command line)
1793[21:44:46] <somiaj> hansol: step 10.1 isn't needed anymore since phpmyadmin is in buster backports.
1794[21:45:31] <somiaj> hansol: anyways, I wouldn't use that, but that is just me. Outside of what I have mentioend, I don't see any bad practices except I wouldn't ever use sucha tool.
1795[21:46:06] <hansol> somiaj ok for step 6 we can proceed without it
1796[21:46:18] <hansol> step 7 ok .,.
1797[21:46:40] <ratrace> hansol: also, don't use ispconfig. buggy, vulnerable.
1803[21:48:39] <jmcnaught> hansol: this kind of tutorial is really only good to give you a bird's eye view of what's involved in setting the software up, but not how to use it. I would also recommend reading the documentation for all of the software you're installing, and on general topics like SMTP if you're going to be using Postfix.
1836[21:58:11] <somiaj> xorg is the server, those are desktop enviorments on top of the server.
1837[21:58:15] <ratrace> so, like xorg? well only you can answer that question.
1838[21:58:48] <somiaj> If you are going to be accessing remotly using ssh, probabaly not, though if you are going to be using the machine, some like the convience of a gui and webbrowser when configuring things.
1896[22:11:26] <somiaj> hansol: if you are going to connect though ssh, xfce won't really be needed. You could connect to a remote desktop or use xorg forwarding over ssh, but might learn more just using the console over ssh and not need that.
1916[22:19:08] <somiaj> in general I suggest using the netinstall image and just downloading the packages you need during the install. If you have a slow internet connection or want an offline copy of the files, then the cd images can be useful.
1917[22:19:16] <somiaj> but since you have cd1, you can just go with that.
1918[22:19:51] <hansol> version 10.4 right ?
1919[22:20:45] <hansol> if have new version 11 or bigger i can easly update to new version ???
1920[22:20:46] <karlpinc> hansol: Any version 10. If you're on-line you'll get the newest downloaded during the install. Otherwise you update afterwards.
1921[22:21:17] <karlpinc> hansol: To upgrade major versions you should follow the instructions in the new versions release notes.
1922[22:22:01] <somiaj> buseter will never be version 11.
1923[22:22:23] <hansol> understand
1924[22:22:23] <somiaj> But packages will get security updates before the next point release, so there are packages newer than 10.4, eventhough there is no 10.5 yet.
1941[22:32:26] <oxek> if I understand it correctly I need this: partition disk as GPT. Make first partition 1M type BIOS boot, then the rest of my partitions. Install grub into the MBR of the drive (even though the MBR does not really exist on GPT disks)
1944[22:33:40] <somiaj> yea that seems to be what I recall, found this "Use of a protective MBR at LBA Sector 0 for assuring backwards compatibility for utilities that do not understand the GPT system. This protective MBR has the partition type value "0xee" and induces fdisk to refer to GNU Parted partition editor, as follows."
1969[22:43:43] <somiaj> would having a single small disk with an mbr partition and /boot just to boot the system be a possibility? Though what you want is possible, just seems unstandard and I didn't find good docs on it.
1970[22:43:44] <oxek> does not sound like a well tested solution
1973[22:44:27] <oxek> I suppose I could boot from a usb stick formatted as MBR
1974[22:45:08] <somiaj> not that what you want can't be done, this might just be easier. I couldn't find any good guides on how to do it except that you need an MBR partition compadblity at the start of the table.
2012[23:13:48] <annadane> i'd install that ^ probably
2013[23:13:54] <annadane> though in general,
2014[23:13:56] <annadane> !warning
2015[23:13:56] <dpkg> Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy.
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2020[23:15:40] <weswroten> ok
2021[23:16:40] <weswroten> time to cross my fingers, light a candle, sacrifice a virgin goat on the nth eve of the northeren frostbitten moon goddess and reboot
2073[23:59:11] <sponix> sney: After yet another GUI freeze, I am taking your recommendation. I am now only rocking 1 GPU, and it is the one that didn't control the video during the last video issue. I also have it put it in a lower slot