5[00:01:29] <cyveris> What command are you entering exactly?
6[00:01:52] <wwilliam> for x in 702588_NY_STMT_#10_002.PS.done;do scp PrismaDC:/u/CCDev/nypass/"$x" testtemp/"$x".tmp && cd testtemp/ && mv -v -- "$x".tmp "${x%.tmp}";done
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27[00:09:40] <Meteorhead> hey people, I've setup debian but have some trouble with LUKS, thus, not mounting home, I didn't touch anything so everything is the default ones; fstab is the same UUID in crypttab
47[00:24:40] <oxek> When I try to attach an .iso to virt-manager, I get the warning "The emulator may not have search permissions for the path '/path/to/iso'."
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70[00:50:20] <jmcnaught> oxek: you can add a new storage pool in libvirt that points to a directory in your home, but the images you create in virt-manager are going to be owned by root and -rw-------
71[00:50:54] <jmcnaught> oxek: I just put image files (including .iso) in /var/lib/libvirt/images
189[01:29:22] <oxek> not sure how much they are now, maybe more expensive due to corona?
190[01:29:28] <oxek> it's samsung 860 pro
191[01:29:31] <Meteorhead> sney, just came back, I actually solved the luks problem by removing the key file from the crypttab, now it works, thank you very much :)
192[01:29:40] <dvs> I got a WD Black for just over $200
193[01:29:42] <sney> np
194[01:29:50] <oxek> unfortunately it is SATA3 and not the nvme stuff
211[01:42:36] <R0b0t1`> hi, am looking for some light debian dev help, is here ok? I wish to sbuild say, the base install packages and the top most popular 100 or so, and check their reproducibility for a variety of architectures
212[01:43:10] <mi11k1> umm, next guy
213[01:43:22] <mi11k1> i Have no idea what that is for
214[01:43:34] <sney> R0b0t1`: #packaging on oftc might be more appropriate
215[01:44:15] <R0b0t1`> FINE
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261[02:20:14] <urxtnw> I've installed openvpn on one laptop and I was able to open it, configure it, etc. but on my other laptop, i try to run openvpn, and even though it's installed it says "openvpn command not found"
262[02:20:32] <mi11k1> audi
263[02:20:36] <mi11k1> audi
264[02:20:41] <mi11k1> f sudo
265[02:20:53] <ThothCastel> from the image below - how come the systemctl status iptables shows no service running for the same service that above shows the iptables content??
279[02:22:03] <mi11k1> u gotta put the full path where u are
280[02:22:11] <mi11k1> whereis openvpn
281[02:22:29] <mi11k1> and try with the whole path
282[02:22:31] <urxtnw> oh wow thank you that fixed it mi11k1 but what does
283[02:22:34] <ThothCastel> jmcnaught: right
284[02:22:42] <ThothCastel> so the table exists
285[02:22:43] <mi11k1> it's just magic
286[02:22:46] <urxtnw> mi11k1 that command to, the "-"
287[02:22:49] <ThothCastel> but the firewall is not runnning, correct?
288[02:23:00] <Whyvn> if a device i want to mount is not showing up with lsblk, does that mean I cannot mount the device? I have an ereader I want to transfer media to, which is supported through usb. When I connect the device I confirm the prompt to go into usb mode, but on my computer I do no see the device to mount it.
289[02:23:20] <mi11k1> demagogue
290[02:23:24] <mi11k1> dmesg
291[02:23:25] <ThothCastel> for the firewall to be on, the iptable service needs to be running and the table must exist - correct?
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293[02:23:27] <jmcnaught> ThothCastel: iptables is just a way to control netfilter, which is a feature of the kernel.
294[02:23:32] <mi11k1> -w and plug it in
295[02:24:00] <mi11k1> iptables and hit tab a few times
296[02:24:05] <ThothCastel> jmcnaught: ok so does that mean that I don't have a firewall running at the moment?
297[02:24:23] <mi11k1> all ports are closed unless they're open
298[02:24:31] <ThothCastel> as I understand from your sentence, my debian buster fresh install has the rules
299[02:24:35] <mi11k1> nmap yer self
300[02:24:59] <mi11k1> are u afraid cause u have porn?
301[02:25:02] <jmcnaught> ThothCastel: you have active firewall rules in your screenshot. There does not need to be a service running for the firewall.
302[02:25:14] <jmcnaught> mi11k1: it's quiet time please.
303[02:25:57] <mi11k1> the only ppl that don't get this is ppl with porn
321[02:36:06] <jmcnaught> ThothCastel: firewalld is a daemon/service that uses with iptables or nftables in the background, but I don't know much about it.
345[03:03:10] <tinfoil-hat> Hi, I discovered, that imagemagick has a gui when opening an image from firefox downlaod manager however, I can't find the executable, to put in into cwm's menu
356[03:07:08] <tinfoil-hat> somiaj: I wanted to compress an image, but convert -compress 80% doesn't take the % and in the manpage there is just standing it want's a value, but what value?
372[03:10:12] <somiaj> kristijonas: not really, stretch is still supported
373[03:10:15] <somiaj> !stretch
374[03:10:15] <dpkg> Stretch is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see replaced-url
375[03:10:23] <tinfoil-hat> hemimaniac: yeah, I found it kinda neat, that's why I searched for the executable
392[03:16:49] <kristijonas> Right. So whats the first step to try to resume upgrade?
393[03:16:57] <somiaj> after you reboot run 'dpkg --configure -a' and 'apt -f install' to make sure everything finished configuring
394[03:20:16] <kristijonas> Thanks. Just in case the system gets unfixable, but terminal and internet seems to work, is it somehow possible to download the installtiom iso and make it boot? I don't sadly have other computer now usb stick with me.
395[03:20:47] <somiaj> yea, you only need wget and cp to get a bootable usb drive
396[03:20:56] <somiaj> so console and internet is more than enough
407[03:27:11] <b1ackandwh1te> i backup in other ways but
408[03:27:23] <b1ackandwh1te> just to inform
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410[03:28:16] <annadane> we do have a bug tracking system, but you should be sure it's a bug before filing it
411[03:28:27] <annadane> it's possible you're using it wrong
412[03:28:30] <annadane> !doesn't work
413[03:28:30] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
434[03:34:42] <dpkg> kristijonas: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
435[03:35:44] <somiaj> kristijonas: that is strange you have a dependency issue, did you have any thrid party packages installed? Also to provide you any help we need full output, not paraphrased, use paste.debian.net
439[03:39:33] <somiaj> the third party packages on your system could still cause problems holding things back, anyways, full output and maybe we can help track down some issues, but you'll have to manually fix the errors.
442[03:40:46] <somiaj> if you have aptitude, aptitude search ~o should list packages that aren't currently in your sources
443[03:41:14] <kristijonas> Somiaj, not so good at this. Can I somehow try to post the needed output via console or i should just make photos with the phone and upload it?
458[03:45:56] <somiaj> apt -f install would also be better, need to figure out the dependency issues, as the ones we see are all dependency issues
459[03:46:04] <somiaj> !pastebinit
460[03:46:05] <dpkg> A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg 2>&1 | pastebinit". For a list of pastebin sites do "pastebinit -l". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
461[03:46:10] <somiaj> !termcap
462[03:46:11] <dpkg> i heard termcap is the old fashioned way of describing terminal capabilities, not used by Debian since <sarge>. If you want to compile a program that claims to need termcap, try the ncurses termcap emulation instead. It's as simple as linking with ncurses instead of libtermcap (i.e. replace the '-ltermcap' with '-lncurses' in the makefile) and /etc/termcap is not required.
470[03:48:37] <morph8hprom> Alright, so I just recently upgraded from Stretch to Buster, and kept my /home directory on a separate partition. The issue is...probably a year ago or so I set up for a terminal and firefox-esr to open on startup, and I can not for the life of me remember how now that I want to disable it. I've checked init.d, .desktop/autostart, and even the GUI Settings->Session and Startup menu, with absolutely
471[03:48:43] <morph8hprom> no luck. I'm using XFCE4 if that matters.
476[03:49:35] <morph8hprom> I've been combing through search results hoping that ANYTHING would look familiar, but nothing does, and I can't find anywhere that would be causing this.
490[03:54:24] <morph8hprom> On my first boot with Buster, the two applications DID NOT open, however my themes were a little jacked up. After rebooting today, themes/panels were reset to default (questioned at the start for empty panel or default), and both applications opened.
544[04:18:05] <joepublic> if you make a new user account, what's to stop you from copying them over?
545[04:18:19] <morph8hprom> dvs The only thing I don't understand is that the only partition I didn't format on upgrade was my /home partition, so it would have to be something in there.
546[04:18:53] <morph8hprom> sorry, upgrade is the wrong term...I just burned an iso and booted/installed from the disc.
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548[04:20:22] <morph8hprom> I guess I could just make another user and copy the Downloads and Documents folders though. Might take a little time, but probably less time than this whole fiasco is taking.
549[04:22:53] <dvs> morph8hprom, when does the program start? when you login?
552[04:23:42] <morph8hprom> I've checked init.d, .desktop, and everywhere else mentioned in pages on pages of search results with no solution.
553[04:23:54] <dvs> morph8hprom, then it probably has to do with your Startup programs in the desktop environment's startup programs in your setting.
554[04:24:16] <morph8hprom> I'm using xfce4
555[04:24:48] <dvs> I use KDE so I don't know where it is.
556[04:25:14] <morph8hprom> Hrm...alright. I actually installed KDE as well and was considering switching to it, but I wanted to see if I could get this to work first.
563[04:29:09] <morph8hprom> dvs: Not seeing any command for xfce4-terminal, just customization and a couple of path variables
564[04:29:43] <Lampion> Hello everyone, I'm a nigh total newbie at Debian and will try to understand, install and configure iptables on my computer, may I come here for help if I meet difficulties ?
565[04:30:32] <annadane> you sure can
566[04:30:42] <dvs> Lampion, did you install iptables-persistant package?
569[04:31:22] <Lampion> Thanks, not yet I'm still looking at an introductive tutorial before I delve into the mettle of it.
570[04:31:27] <sney> Lampion: you should also consider whether you need iptables. a computer in your house on a private network doesn't need its own firewall, for instance. debian is pretty locked down by default.
572[04:32:49] <Lampion> I know it's very secure, but I'll be joining an informatics school next year and I'd like to have a few things in my bag when I'll go there, not to start from scratch.
573[04:33:12] <sney> good answer. carry on
574[04:33:15] <Lampion> Plus, I'll have to find a job, and any personnal project regarding sysnetadministration will help
575[04:33:27] <sney> !nftables
576[04:33:27] <dpkg> nftables is the next generation of iptables, incorporating both v4 and v6: replaced-url
577[04:33:41] <Lampion> So I'd rather go for it than iptables ?
578[04:33:45] <sney> for best professional results, learn both
579[04:33:45] <dvs> but education is usually a bit behind
600[05:02:15] <zothix> Hi i am currently a debain Cinnamon user, and right now i am installing Debain in my other latop, i have tried KDE years ago, right now i want to go for KDE for this laptop, but i wana make sure if its stable now?
601[05:02:33] <zothix> for work use, ( KDE Plasma )
602[05:02:35] <Gryllida> kde is ok
603[05:02:53] <Gryllida> if you don't like it, you will be able to switch without reinstalling complete OS
604[05:03:17] <zothix> hmm that too, but before i remember it had a lot of crash problems
605[05:03:20] <zothix> are they better now?
606[05:07:34] <Gryllida> it works ok for my family
607[05:07:48] <Gryllida> we have kde on three laptops, the fourth one uses wmaker
608[05:08:18] <zothix> Gryllida, i am too install KDE now xD
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614[05:21:32] <oxek> I spotted there's an update for `apt`. How bad is the vulnerability?
615[05:23:06] <goerff> Hey all, I just installed buster testing with xfce. I have two monitors connected to my tower that I know are successfully connected (I'm dual booting and both monitors work when I boot into windows). But one of my monitors isn't being detected. xrandr only shows the single monitor. How do I troubleshoot this?
621[05:27:52] <Lampion> For context: I'm looking at the way Iptables functions, I'm seeing the stateful packet inspection which treats a packet in regards to the connection state, I suppose ?
629[05:33:55] <sgo11> hi, I accidentally renamed /etc/pam.d/common-auth. Now, I can not rename it back to the right name with "sudo" or "su". Can I solve the problem without a reboot to live system? Thanks.
630[05:34:33] <sgo11> hmm... maybe live system won't work. Because I have enabled LUKS encryption. so what to do now?.
631[05:36:19] <Lampion> Ok, so, appearently stateful packet inspection and connection tracking aren't the same, how do they differ ?
635[05:42:14] <suavglav> I ran into an undefined symbol error in libtinfo.so.5 while trying to execute systemctl commands
636[05:42:22] <suavglav> anyone run up against this?
637[05:42:50] <sgo11> I am still in a running system and logged in right now. I don't dare to reboot. I am afraid I will never be able to login again...
674[06:08:48] <Lampion> Hey guys, knowing I know next to nothing about Debian or sysnet administration, do you think in order to get acquainted to IPtables I should set up a virtual private lan from vms, openssh and vsftpd, knowing all of those are quite difficult to me, or do you think I can practice with iptables without those tools ?
683[06:15:20] <somiaj> I would learn nftables, as iptables is depericated, also I wouldn't use ftp either, and just sftp over openssh
684[06:18:15] <allan_wind> I could use a hand with nftables, actually, trying out fail2ban's support and I am getting an error presumable when it does: nft add set inet filter f2b-sshd \{ type ipv4_addr\; \}
686[06:18:53] <allan_wind> (actually that seems to succeeed) but followed by nft insert rule inet filter INPUT meta l4proto tcp ip saddr @f2b-sshd reject which fails with Error: Could not process rule: No such file or directory
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689[06:19:40] <somiaj> I dno't actually know nftables, you could try ##networking, I was just pointing out if you are gonna start learning now, iptables and ftp are things I would not suggest learning
700[06:28:02] <allan_wind> heh... by dumb luck seem to have figured it out. nftables's chains seems to be case sensitive and should be input where iptables where INPUT (don't recall if it was case sensitive)
701[06:28:38] <somiaj> hmm, I always assumed they were case sensitive, but never tried to not capatlize them
733[07:04:23] <Lampion> @somiaj vsftpd is a sftp daemon, no problem about that ;) As for nftables, I plan on getting to it right when I'm finished with iptables.
740[07:07:27] <somiaj> I still don't see a need for ftps, when sftp comes with ssh, also sure you can learn iptables, but nftables will be more useful as time goes on
755[07:13:09] <somiaj> a lot really depends on what you want, qemu-kvm is nice as it is native in the linux kernel and does a good job at emulating linux vms
757[07:13:50] <somiaj> xen has its uses, some prefer more contain based isolating like lxc or docker. vbox is useful, and some argue is better for windows vms, but isn't part of debian and needs to be installed thrid party. Also needs a third paty module (same for xen)
758[07:13:50] <Lampion> I'll be trying to emulate a local network to practice with iptables
763[07:16:21] <lembron> hu, am i blind or is there no direct way to install from usb while creating a mdraid-mirror for it? - how do i go about doing this? - first liveboot, create the md and then install "with skipping the formating" or something like this?
772[07:28:57] <password2> if i want to upgrade and my home is not on a different partition , is it possible to copy it to a new partition and then reinstall?
773[07:29:25] <somiaj> yes
774[07:29:44] <somiaj> though why reinstall, you can still upgrade in place (or are you wanting to repartition things?)
775[07:30:05] <password2> i don't want to reconfigure thigns
776[07:30:36] <somiaj> That seems contrary to reinstalling
777[07:30:55] <password2> is there a reason when i try to run apt-get upgrade it doe not upgrade 700 packages?
779[07:31:02] <somiaj> but moving the data in /home is independent of this, though it easiest if you have a backup disk/location
780[07:31:13] <Lampion> I'm sorry to ask again somiaj but since I'm trying to build a virtual lan to practice with iptable, what VM would you recommend ?
781[07:31:25] <somiaj> because that won't install or remove packages, you need apt-get dist-upgrade
786[07:31:58] <password2> i was told to do upgrade
787[07:32:07] <somiaj> Lampion: libvirt + qemu+kvm is probably the easiest to get up and working in debian and won't require any out of kernel modules.
788[07:32:23] <somiaj> password2: man apt-get and see the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade (they do similar but different things)
789[07:32:43] <somiaj> usually upgrade is all you need in a stable release (though there are a few exceptiosn to this), and dist-upgrade is to upgrade from one stable to the next stable
790[07:32:49] <password2> somiaj, and i know dist-upgrade is a gigantic nono on some linuxes
791[07:33:11] <somiaj> in debian it is just a manner of how much freedome you give apt to resolve dependencies
794[07:33:44] <somiaj> in order to remove old packages and install new packages (not just upgrade packages) you need dist-upgrade (though there is a small difference between apt and apt-get on this front)
795[07:33:47] <Lampion> Sorry somiaj, didn't see your response, I just quitted weechat by inadvertance.
796[07:34:04] <somiaj> Lampion: libvirt + qemu+kvm is probably the easiest to get up and working in debian and won't require any out of kernel modules.
797[07:34:13] <invra> what is apt full-upgrade i dnt get it
798[07:34:33] <Lampion> Thx somiaj !
799[07:34:41] <somiaj> invra: apt is trying to use the langauge of aptitude there. apt-get had upgrade vs dist-upgrade, and aptitude had safe-upgrade vs full-upgrade
800[07:35:29] <somiaj> they all had sligtly different logic on if they could install new pacakages or remove old packges. More things are moving to aptitudes idea, upgrade can install new stuff but not remove old stuff, and full/dist upgrade is needed to remove old packages to satsify dependencies of new packges.
803[07:36:20] <invra> i am a bit confused by the amount of package managers.. i tend to use apt as its the faster to type... hopefully i am doing it properly
804[07:37:16] <password2> ah , would it be linux if you did not have atleast 3 choices that is almost identical but have a dew subtle differences?
805[07:37:58] <somiaj> apt is mean to be a user tool that combines apt-get/apt-cache together. The problem with apt-get and apt-cache was they were used in enough scripts, developers coudln't change the cli features or output without breaking to many things. But this also prevented adding new fancy progress meteres, and nicer looking output
806[07:38:24] <somiaj> so apt was made to be more what a user would use, and is not designed to have a stable interface, while apt-get/apt-cache would keep their stable interface so they continue to work in scripts.
812[07:39:22] <somiaj> aptitude is actually a curses ui package manager, and originaly introduced a lot of features not in apt (though apt has adopted lots of them)
813[07:39:30] <password2> looks like my apt-get decided to dl in 2 threads
815[07:39:57] <somiaj> debian actually only has one package manager, dpkg, it has always been the package manager. apt/aptitude are front ends that can use internet sources to download and install packages (using dpkg)
816[07:40:03] <password2> used to always need to grab apt-fast for that
817[07:40:19] <somiaj> they all use the same apt libary, they just have diferent interfaces, and logic, for user preferences.
818[07:40:51] <somiaj> and for those old debian users, dselect is still around
819[07:41:14] <invra> i like synaptic xD
820[07:41:24] <invra> and apt
821[07:41:26] <password2> on thing i like though is i can stop the dl any time and continue later
822[07:41:39] <somiaj> I'm just glad synaptic learned to play nicely with apt.
823[07:41:59] <password2> can i do a cronjob so my server dist-upgrades tonight instead?
831[07:42:40] <somiaj> dist upgrade will require user interaction and often things will need to be reconfigured, not something to just automatically do
832[07:43:11] <somiaj> systemd has timer units which have more flexiability than cronjobs, but cron is still around and you can use it
840[07:44:33] <password2> somiaj, ok can i cronjob the dl of packages?
841[07:44:48] <somiaj> password2: you can also do a cronjob to dist-upgrade, it is just a bad idea.
842[07:45:01] <password2> make up your mind
843[07:45:10] <somiaj> but yes, downloading overnight on a cronjob then installing when you are present is a more logical choice
844[07:45:25] <invra> password2: we ar ein linux, you can do whatever you please
845[07:45:26] <password2> I'm not talking logics here
846[07:45:26] <somiaj> I never said you couldn't do it, I said you shouldn't do it
847[07:45:32] <password2> I'm talking particality
848[07:45:33] <invra> weather its a good idea or bad is the thing
849[07:45:48] <somiaj> you can have a cron job run any script you want.
850[07:49:07] <vlt> Hello. We are running a few machines with Debian 10 and MATE desktop sessions (xrdp) for our users. Is there a way to let a user share its screen and grant access to another user? Bonus feature: an indicator to see whenever someone else is connected to my screen. Any idea?
851[07:49:42] <password2> somiaj, ofc you can
852[07:49:52] <password2> but i can't run my car on cron , now can i?
853[07:50:20] <somiaj> depends, with some of these remote car starters you could probably do a cronjob for it
854[07:50:31] <invra> xD
855[07:50:52] <somiaj> I heard someone had a script that would connect to tha coffemaker and brew them coffee, and had it timed, so the coffee woudl be ready after his walk multiple floors upstairs
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891[08:28:42] <Lampion> I've just installed qemu and kvm and I'm puzzled, can I have multiple vm at the same time communicating with each other with it ?
892[08:29:08] <somiaj> yes, though most find virt-manager a nice tool to manage them vs using kvm qemu directly
902[08:35:25] <Lampion> When I launch the VM it wants to install the Linux OS, I'll switch to a bootable iso as I don't want to waste time waiting for it to install, but what if I do install it ?
903[08:36:04] <Lampion> Will I have another entire new OS inside QEMU's files, or somewhere, or will it be all deleted as soon as I shut down the VM ?
922[08:49:50] <somiaj> their docs don't have a method to do that. Many web server things you can make https by using ngnix or apache2 and setting up an ssl proxy.
929[08:52:48] <somiaj> they even have an irc channel here on freenode, #filestash
930[08:54:40] <Fede_HC> somiaj: already tried to contact them, did't get an answer yet. Anyway, i have to use apache or nginix to have https? Did i get it?
931[08:56:13] <somiaj> I would just be paitent, and see whaty they suggest.
932[08:56:53] <Fede_HC> ok ;) thx
933[08:56:54] <somiaj> but nginx and apache2 both support proxy, so you can use their ssl certs to access http serers on localhost or a vm
934[08:57:25] <somiaj> so due to this, many applications may not impement their own replaced-url
951[09:08:09] <invra> i was trying out a wm... pulled in a bunch of packages... i now want to remove it as i dont like it
952[09:08:13] <somiaj> invra: apt remove packagename followed by apt autoremove should get them (there are some cases where a few are left behind due to suggested/recommended depends)
953[09:08:41] <invra> what if the list is quite big?
954[09:08:42] <somiaj> you can look in the apt log in /var/log/apt/ to see what packages were installed too
955[09:09:09] <invra> yeah i actually did that, but thew list is with :amd64 (blabla)
956[09:09:12] <somiaj> apt doesn't have a revert feature, you have to remove all the packges you manually installed, and autoinstalled ones will go with it.
970[09:11:54] <somiaj> note there is some edge cases where one of the auto installed package is suggested by another package you already have installed, so it sometimes doens't get them all, but for the most part this is fine.
971[09:12:28] <somiaj> but in general apt install foo, then apt remove foo && apt autoremove should remove everything that was installed outside of the above edge cases
972[09:12:32] <invra> didnt like xmonad... cant be bothered with all that haskell nonsense
996[09:30:08] <Haohmaru> bartden if you've been naughty with apt, you ain't getting no xmas present from Santa
997[09:30:17] <bartden> :)
998[09:30:19] <bartden> damn
999[09:30:35] <somiaj> !frakendebian
1000[09:30:51] <Haohmaru> !frankendebian
1001[09:30:51] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
1023[09:40:05] <somiaj> I would suggest getting a fresh buster docker container then.
1024[09:40:27] <Haohmaru> aww, crapbuntu
1025[09:40:37] <petn-randall> bartden: Yeah, that's a case for #ubuntu.
1026[09:40:39] <invra> lol
1027[09:40:43] <petn-randall> !ubuntu
1028[09:40:43] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
1029[09:40:56] <invra> he dont know what he is running?
1030[09:40:59] <invra> xF
1031[09:41:11] <petn-randall> !lol
1032[09:41:12] <dpkg> If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
1033[09:41:12] <Haohmaru> invra "linux"
1034[09:41:15] <somiaj> hmm, didn't realize ubuntu would have an /etc/debian_version stuck around, I would think they would have their own base-files.
1041[09:42:51] <invra> they were too busy with sitting up their proprietary snap servers
1042[09:43:09] <Haohmaru> adding spywarez
1043[09:43:19] <somiaj> Haohmaru: I tend to not bash other oses, people have freedom to choose what fits them best. I'm just surprised on this, because although ubuntu is based on debian, its core is quite different (it is mostly their univerise and non-core packages that come straight form debian)
1057[09:46:28] <Haohmaru> my impression of ubuntu people is bad.. when i websearch something about debian, and if the only results come from askubuntu i feel scared
1078[10:02:58] <lembron> hu, am i blind or is there no direct way to install from usb while creating a mdraid-mirror for it? - how do i go about doing this? - first liveboot, create the md and then install "with skipping the formating" or something like this?
1097[10:16:21] <ksk> I could imagine you either a) choose the pre-configured md-whatnot in the installer b) you use the normal debootstrap approach to installt it yourself to wherever you desire
1098[10:16:25] <ksk> !tell lembron about debootstrap
1099[10:16:36] <ksk> that might need some understanding of how that is done though.
1100[10:17:33] <ksk> !tell lembron about fixmbr
1101[10:17:44] <ksk> you would kind of need to follow the debootstrap and fixmbr steps
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1116[10:37:19] <lembron> ksk well ive only seen lvm in the installer yea.. but that said i also dont have a system with 2 diks to test here right now :P maybe it then magically shows up or so... --- and yea i kinda "Know" how i would do it manually - and totally fit to build the raid myself and all that, was just wondering mostly that there is no real info on this anywhere as it seems (or my googlefu is pretty bad at
1136[10:54:34] <somiaj> I used the installer to create a software raid in stretch, so it is still there.
1137[10:54:37] <ksk> DebianInstaller/SoftwareRaidRoot (last modified 2020-04-07 10:46:24) -- not outdated after all it seems.
1138[10:55:19] <somiaj> though sometimes the installer partition tools are a bit simplistic (menus of submenus to get all the options), and if you can create the raid using another live system easier, you can just point the debian isntaller at it.
1146[11:02:38] <somiaj> I think in particular the raid stuff is a few submenus deep (at least on the text installer, and I only use expert mode, so unsure if the non-expert mode includes it)
1147[11:02:55] <somiaj> Also make sure you load additional features if needed (forget if raid was one of them or not)
1148[11:03:37] <lembron> somiaj > and if you can create the raid using another live system easier, you can just point the debian isntaller at it. < - basically my inititally mentioned "do it in liveCD, then "skip formating" hm?
1149[11:04:30] <somiaj> lembron: should be possible. Though I recall being able to create a software raid over lvm from the installer just fine. I didn't try encryption though.
1154[11:07:00] <lembron> well, i might get to a box to try that out on later today - enc. is not needed so that shall be fine -- and i guess heck, in a worst case i install to one, build raid with missing drive, clone over and then resilver or some crap :P --- as said, i know "other methods" and was just a little buffed in the installer seemingly not having anything, but ill take a deeper look on a system with 2 actual
1155[11:07:01] <lembron> drives on this... maybe its just been hidden for me (usually most debian installs i do is in kvm with single disk :P)...
1156[11:07:41] <lembron> will report back with results :P thanks so far
1219[12:05:22] <miskatonic> for a daemon started manually by root, does it matter whether systemd or openrc are running? I was able to starte slim as root and shut it down from a console at runtime
1259[12:20:09] <Lope> I plugged in a hotswap SATA hard drive while I had a VM booting up, and my whole system froze. I guess I should let the system idle when I connect hard drives in future.
1260[12:20:35] <ratrace> invra: /sbin is not in $PATH by default on Debian
1261[12:20:37] <Lope> Anyway, now it's complaining that it can't find the apparmour profile for qemu-system-x86-64
1262[12:20:47] <invra> ratrace: why?
1263[12:21:08] <miskatonic> sbin programs are for sysadmins, so users don't usually need to access them
1264[12:21:30] <ratrace> invra: because /sbin is supposed to be used by root, not unprivileged users. you can always add it to your PATH if you want.
1265[12:21:34] <invra> well as root i cant access it aswell
1266[12:21:44] <ratrace> invra: you're not logging in as root correctly then
1267[12:21:45] <towo^work> invra, use su - instead of su
1268[12:21:47] <ratrace> !buster su
1269[12:21:47] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
1276[12:23:15] <miskatonic> ifconfig is for changing network interface configuration, such as routing defaults
1277[12:23:32] <Lope> ratrace, any idea how to fix an apparmour that's gone missing cos my PC crashed while a VM was booting?
1278[12:23:45] <Lope> apparmour profile
1279[12:23:58] <miskatonic> users can execute those program for seeing configuration settings but not modify them
1280[12:24:07] <invra> so confusing...
1281[12:24:12] <invra> i su - and i got that
1282[12:24:22] <uebera||> Hi. Is there an easier way to insert multiple comments into debian/changelog with dch apart from using a placeholder which can then be replaced by a newline thanks to tr/sed?
1283[12:25:05] <ratrace> tarzeau: yes some /sbin programs can be run as unprivileged users. I never said the /sbin for privileged users was a wise choice :)
1284[12:25:12] <Lope> I found the profile it's complaining about. the file is now 0 bytes in size.
1285[12:25:27] <ratrace> (in my case it's messing use of zfs and zpool which can and should be run unprivileged for informational purposes)
1286[12:25:32] <Lope> I've got another similar PC, will try copy it off.
1294[12:26:48] <ratrace> invra: and learn to use manpages. look up the su(1) manpage to see what - or -l do
1295[12:27:30] <Lope> ratrace, I was busy starting a VM, and while that was happening I powered on a bunch of SATA drives.
1296[12:27:38] <Lope> Then my PC crashed (usually doesn't happen)
1297[12:28:05] <ratrace> sounds like you don't have hot-pluggable drives or controller(s)
1298[12:28:09] <Lope> after rebooting, virt-manager won't start the VM, complains of a missing apparmour profile. I found the profile but it's 0 bytes. seems to have gotten corrupted. Unfortunately I don't have a backup.
1300[12:28:29] <Lope> ratrace, they are hot pluggable, but maybe it's not good to do it while a VM is starting up.
1301[12:28:46] <Lope> I hot plug them all the time
1302[12:28:54] <Lope> but usually do it while the system is sortof idle
1303[12:29:04] <ratrace> Lope: drives in use by those VMs?
1304[12:29:23] <Lope> nah, the vm was running from a zvol that's not related
1305[12:29:32] <ratrace> then it's unrelated or oyu really don't have hot-pluggable drives or controller(s), and hot-plugging them so far without apparent ill effects was just lucky shots
1306[12:29:38] <Lope> ratrace, oh, cool.
1307[12:29:48] <Lope> i just deleted the 0 bytes profile, now the vm is booting :)
1308[12:29:51] <invra> well my grub is missing stuff
1309[12:30:04] <invra> more precisely /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh
1310[12:30:08] <ratrace> Lope: could also be a bug in udev not catching hotplug events from the controller(s)
1311[12:30:08] <Lope> it's booted \_@_/
1312[12:30:37] <Lope> but this does make me realize I should backup haha.
1313[12:30:45] <Lope> ratrace, could be.
1314[12:31:14] <ratrace> invra: grub has multiple packages, maybe you need to install grub-efi
1315[12:34:22] <invra> oh ty
1316[12:34:30] <invra> didnt think it was separate packages
1407[14:24:56] <ratrace> miskatonic: because that's its core functionality, to interact with the user session manager, because it logs in the user and configures the session.
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1409[14:25:34] <ratrace> it works with consolekit, but that's long abandoned even in non-systemd systems (where now elogind takes place)
1528[15:46:36] <brutser> i try to meson build some package on debian 10, but i get the following error: meson.build:236:4: ERROR: C library 'acl' not found - i checked but libc6 and libc6-dev are installed. what could be missing here?
1638[17:08:37] <oxek> I am trying to copy some files to a NTFS drive. When the file does not exist on the drive yet, all is good. When the file exists, and i get asked to overwrite it, it does not succeed and instead creates a .fuse_hidden000009a0000001 file in the same directory.
1804[18:28:02] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See replaced-url
1805[18:28:05] <petn-randall> goerff: ^^^
1806[18:28:21] <petn-randall> You enable backports and then install a newer kernel.
1807[18:28:27] <goerff> petn-randall: I'm on bullseye tho
1808[18:28:33] <petn-randall> Oooooh.
1809[18:28:37] <petn-randall> !debian-next
1810[18:28:38] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
1811[18:28:48] <petn-randall> goerff: Then let's continue in the right channel. ^^^
1812[18:28:53] <goerff> lol ok
1813[18:29:10] <goerff> petn-randall: it says it requires an invite
1814[18:29:11] <petn-randall> Chances are better that someone ran into the issue before and knows a workaround.
1815[18:29:23] <petn-randall> goerff: Did you read the whole factoid?
1854[18:54:12] <mspe> preseed doc seems to only talk about ftp and http also
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1856[18:54:52] <n_1-c_k> With the installer, I have no idea. This was my own local repository, added after installing.
1857[18:54:56] <Ashmit> I have a Debian 9 OS installed on my VPS. I am running an Unreal IRCd 5.0.4. I can connect all my ipv4 and ssl connections. But however, my ipv6.* doesnt work. Is it something to do with ufw or ip6tables I have installed on my root?
1858[18:55:23] <mspe> yeah no, I'm talking about install time
1860[18:55:35] <mspe> after install is trivial, yes
1861[18:55:56] <mspe> but since I'm used to use my local mirror
1862[18:56:10] <mspe> I find it silly to use iso images when I want to make a new install
1863[18:56:13] <sney> Ashmit: have you confirmed that your ipv6 routes are valid? can you ping6 your vps from another ipv6 host?
1864[18:56:17] <mspe> when I already have up to date mirrors locally
1865[18:56:26] <mspe> or use remote mirrors
1866[18:56:41] <n_1-c_k> mspe, drop into a shell and edit sources.list?
1867[18:56:41] <mspe> that use much of my monthly quota
1868[18:57:15] <mspe> oh I thought the installer had a special behavior
1869[18:57:25] <mspe> you think it uses a regular sources.list file?
1870[18:57:27] <Ashmit> sney nope i guess
1871[18:57:52] <n_1-c_k> mspe: I don't know, just a guess. G'luck.
1872[18:57:56] <Ashmit> sney Need to command to enable port and connections of ip6tables
1873[18:57:59] <sney> Ashmit: your vps provider probably has instructions for getting ipv6 connected, they will have their own gateway that you need to use
1874[18:58:15] <Ashmit> I have the gateway and everything else works
1875[18:58:18] <mspe> n_1-c_k: didn't even think about that, thank you for the suggestion, gonna try it
1876[18:58:26] <Ashmit> someone the ipv6.servername.net isnt getting connected to irc
1879[18:59:56] <sney> Ashmit: if you can't ping6 the server from another ipv6 host then that is the problem, you don't have routing. irc will only work once you have routes to the internet
1890[19:01:44] <sney> anyway, it's unlikely to be a firewall issue unless your vps provider set up ufw. debian does not ship with a firewall configured by default.
1891[19:01:57] <Ashmit> I set up the ufw myself
1892[19:02:06] <Ashmit> but I did sudo ufw disable
1893[19:02:12] <Ashmit> and then also its not getting connected.
1894[19:02:30] <Ashmit> should I just uninstall the ufw?
1895[19:03:58] <Ashmit> Okay removed ufw, however it shows host unreacable.
1950[19:33:14] <cybercrypto> sney: great. I have been facing system freezes due to nouveau crashes. Debian 10 is not of use if I set to wayland.... in the other hand... when I start X, it starts.... but fails and freezes a lot...
1953[19:34:19] <cybercrypto> sney: I will read it, collect input data and try to contact then and check if it is valid to report this issue back to them.
1956[19:36:18] <sney> cybercrypto: some nvidia gpus need firmware from userspace when using the nouveau driver. do you have firmware-misc-nonfree installed?
1960[19:38:27] <cybercrypto> sney: This GPU is old enough for a big laugth. Believe me... I it is from the 90's. I will check your advise anyway cause I am not sure.
1966[19:42:16] <cybercrypto> sney: Not installed. I will install and give it a try with wayland (i know for sure that wayland is not even starting currently)... so let me check,
1972[19:45:16] <ws2k3> i cant seem to remove this package dpkg: error processing package clamav-unofficial-sigs (--purge): subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 2 how should i remove this?
1973[19:45:35] <ws2k3> even dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq clamav-unofficial-sigs does not get the job done
1974[19:46:04] <somiaj> ws2k3: the post removal script is in /var/lib/dpkg/info/pagkagname.postrm
1975[19:46:32] <somiaj> oh sorry, preremoval, so *.prerm, anyways you can edit the script to fix it so it dosen't error out
1977[19:46:53] <somiaj> the line above the one you pasted should give you more information why it errored out, putting a 'set -x' at the top will give you far more info too
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1985[19:49:46] <somiaj> hmm, that shouldn't have fixed the error, but it should have told you what the error was. Anyways, seems like the script ran properly now
1986[19:50:20] <ws2k3> somiaj jup. and i just wanted it gone. and that worked so thx!
1997[19:54:55] <dacencora> hey guys. I have a laptop that allows for selecting the discrete GPU as the only video card, I have done this because I typically have issues with bumblebee, but I cannot remember how to make the backlight work. I have Gentoo installed on a separate hard drive and screen brightness there works like a charm.
2115[21:21:39] <Ooze> Why does my swp partition keep filling up and how do I fix it?
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2117[21:21:58] <kristijonas> Just freshed intalled Buster on my Lenovo laptop (nonfree image with firmware included since I needed iwlwifi during the setup). Now gave it a try to install Bumblebee: replaced-url
2127[21:24:48] <BalooRJ> Hello, I'm trying to install blueman for Debian Buster, getting this error: blueman : Depends: libpython3.5 (>= 3.5.0~b1) but it is not installable Depends: python3 (< 3.6) but 3.7.3-1 is to be installed
2133[21:31:33] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
2163[21:38:45] <somiaj> BalooRJ: anyways the issue is you are trying to install a package from some third party repo for deb9-xfce, which isn't compadable with debian 10, and thus the package cannot be installed.
2164[21:38:59] <somiaj> In general you need to be careful when mixing repos, you shoudln't mix repos for debian 9 with debian 10.
2165[21:39:03] <somiaj> !frankendebian
2166[21:39:04] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
2167[21:39:25] <somiaj> In this case, trying to install a package that is designed for debian 9 (stretch) in debian 10 (buster) is causing the issues.
2168[21:40:02] <BalooRJ> Gotcha, I think I know what is causing this. I added a repo to install gcdemu. I'll remove it now and see if that does the trick. Thank you!
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2170[21:40:59] <BalooRJ> That did the trick! Thank you
2172[21:42:19] <EvanCarroll> How do you connect to the wifi with the installed debian distro from the non-free installer wo/ Desktop GUI? I would have assumed it would install NetworkManager but it didn't, it didn't install wpa_supplicant either
2173[21:42:22] <somiaj> in the future don't install random repos like that, you could have other issues on your system due to installing imcompadable packages in the future.
2176[21:43:01] <EvanCarroll> I chose not to install a desktop at all, because I wanted t install Sway and it wasn't on that list.
2177[21:43:38] <somiaj> EvanCarroll: debian uses its own tools, /etc/network/interfaces, by default. If you used wifi during the install process, the installer will put the wifi info in that file, if your wifi card is listed in that file network manager will ignore it. You can delete the lines of the wifi in that file and network manager will see the card again.
2178[21:44:03] <somiaj> EvanCarroll: you can use any tool you want to manage your network, you don't have to use debian's interfaces file, but in general you should use a single tool/method.
2179[21:44:42] <EvanCarroll> network manager isn't installed, and there is nothing in etc/network/interfaces not interfaces.d/*. I'm using Bullseye Alpha 2
2180[21:44:55] <EvanCarroll> somiaj: I just want to know what tool it installed. ;)
2181[21:45:05] <EvanCarroll> If you don't install a desktop, does it not install *any* tool?
2182[21:45:36] <somiaj> kristijonas: I have no idea how to use bumblebee and optimus, I avoid that hardware. Anyways, looks like you might benifit from the package firmware-misc-nonfree if you want to continue to use nouveau. Using nouveau vs the non-free nvidia blob is your choice.
2183[21:45:53] <somiaj> EvanCarroll: ahh nice, sorry just use to explaining the details a bit more.
2184[21:46:23] <EvanCarroll> eI used the non-free with the graphical installer and skipped desktop installation, it completed and it told me to reboot.
2185[21:46:34] <EvanCarroll> Now I have no tools wpa-supplicant or NetworkManager
2186[21:47:02] <somiaj> wpasupplicant should be installed, and if you configured your network with the installer, it hsould be in the interfaces file.
2187[21:47:19] *** Quits: dacencora (~logan@replaced-ip) (Quit: Lost terminal)
2188[21:47:19] <EvanCarroll> then this is a bug/regression
2189[21:47:26] <EvanCarroll> because I did, and it's not.
2191[21:49:13] <somiaj> hmm, maybe it only installs wpasupplicant if you used wirless during the install. I know the netinstaller includes that package.
2192[21:49:30] <EvanCarroll> actually it did install supplicant.
2193[21:49:46] *** Quits: kristijonas (~kristijon@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
2194[21:49:55] <EvanCarroll> so I was wrong on that.
2195[21:49:58] <somiaj> oh good, I thought it should, but maybe it only does it if wifi is detected.
2196[21:49:59] <EvanCarroll> Ok well, I can make that work
2197[21:50:09] <EvanCarroll> that still kinda sucks, would have liked to have network manager
2198[21:50:18] <EvanCarroll> now I gotta remember the pre-NM days before nmtui
2199[21:50:19] <somiaj> you can confgure this all from the interfaces file. Though personally I use wpa-supplicant in roam mode
2200[21:50:32] <somiaj> the interfaces file makes configuring the network really easy
2202[21:52:13] <somiaj> I would leave off the auto line, I would then say 'ifup wlp2s0', then isntall network manager and use that if that is what you prefer (delete the lines from the interfaces file once nm is installed)
2231[22:23:21] <oxek> which package contains the firmware for nouveau?
2232[22:23:53] <sney> !nouveau firmware
2233[22:23:53] <dpkg> Binary-only firmware for the nouveau <DRM> driver is packaged for Debian as firmware-misc-nonfree. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance and/or missing video features in the <nouveau> xorg driver is commonly experienced. To install, ask me about <non-free sources>.
2251[22:29:08] <cybercrypto> sney: wayland still not working (graphical.target gets crashed) with stripes... using X, it is 'a little bit' more stable so far... only 1 crash so far
2257[22:32:07] <cybercrypto> sney: Igree, but it is not the case. Dual boot with no crash ever on the other system. I did that test. I am very, very curious.
2261[22:33:18] <sney> windows and linux drivers are different animals. you can have a partially-broken device that works perfectly in one OS but not the other. so if you're dual booting with windows that doesn't necessarily mean the gpu is fine
2361[23:35:59] <Azrael_-> i have here some old machines and soon want to update, but when i run apt i get this message and haven't found a way yet to update the key: W: GPG error: replaced-url
2362[23:36:47] <sney> there's an apt option for skipping signature checks