3[00:00:29] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
32[00:25:10] <bitblit> thermald is slowing down my laptop while running, and even when I stop it it doesn't go back above 50C until I reboot. then it gets up to 80C... from the output of thermald it looks like intel powerclamp, but i'm not sure why it wouldn't "release" after the service is stopped.
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39[00:29:37] <SomethingGeneric> Hi! I've gotten 32bit Debian 10 on my old laptop. I've installed non-free firmware and the specific ipw2000 package for my wifi adapter, but when I try to connect to the networks it detects, even with the right password, it doesn't connect
40[00:29:45] <SomethingGeneric> How would y'all advise I troubleshoot?
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74[00:43:24] <gcosmin> Hi, I am trying to connect to Tomcat9 Manager from a different machine, but it does not work, same issue with pgadmin4... I have tried to look online for answers but it seems that I cannot find any help
77[00:46:01] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
79[00:47:54] <dpkg> Asking the right question can be hard, and effective communication is easier if you give us extra information. replaced-url
80[00:48:02] <gcosmin> ratrace I get an error on my browser: This site can't be reached ... I tried to access my debian machine through SSH but it seems like I can not reach it
81[00:48:07] <oxek> SomethingGeneric: let me know if my suggestion worked
82[00:48:23] <SomethingGeneric> oxek, yup. I'll see in just a sec
83[00:48:57] <ratrace> gcosmin: using hostname or IP address?
84[00:50:02] <SomethingGeneric> oxek works fine now, thanks for the help!!
85[00:50:15] <oxek> SomethingGeneric: yeah I thought that was gonna be the case
86[00:50:21] <oxek> it is a longstanding issue with those cards
87[00:50:26] <SomethingGeneric> It's strange that Debian would allow randomization by default. Even if a wifi-card played nice, I'd think that most routers wouldn't
88[00:50:47] <oxek> nobody (meaning I could not get reportbug to work) has reported this issue in debian yet
90[00:51:24] <oxek> upstream is vaguely aware of this issue and periodically blacklists wifi cards with bad drivers, so perhaps the upstream version of networkmanager is fine now
92[00:51:33] <SomethingGeneric> ah. I did notice that with Ubuntu as well. I guess the difficulty in reporting issues is intentional to avoid people reporting every little issue
93[00:51:53] <oxek> yeah, this is no little issue
94[00:51:55] <SomethingGeneric> gcosmin, are you tring to ssh via a web browser??
95[00:52:04] <oxek> I very likely saved you many hours of debugging
96[00:52:16] <SomethingGeneric> oxek oh im sure
97[00:52:25] <SomethingGeneric> Also, other little issue i have on this new install is the gnome cursor
98[00:52:35] <gcosmin> SomethingGeneric ssh I am trying from Putty on my windows machine using port 22 and the ip 10.0.2.15
99[00:52:39] <SomethingGeneric> the GUI works fine but anything displayed at the mouse location is super stretched out
100[00:52:44] <ratrace> gcosmin: does your windows machine know how to route to 10.0.2.15/24 ?
101[00:52:55] <ratrace> gcosmin: can you ping the host from windows?
105[00:56:07] <ratrace> invra: maybe you can try reinstalling ncurses-term
106[00:56:30] <ratrace> gcosmin: seems like your network is broken
107[00:56:54] <ratrace> gcosmin: is that some VPN that is losing packets?
108[00:59:55] <gcosmin> ratrace I am trying to learn Java, it is too expensive for me to buy tomcat hosting so I've got installed debian on VirtualBox, and I have setup everything but I can not connect to it from ouside
115[01:04:28] <gcosmin> SomethingGeneric like right now I am in debian, and I am using the internet through my windows laptop, I really can not see now I can access my windows machine from debian but not the other way around
116[01:04:51] <SomethingGeneric> Yes. That's how most VM programs set up the network by default
117[01:05:03] <SomethingGeneric> What program are you using for your virtual machine? VirtualBox?
119[01:06:15] <gcosmin> SomethingGeneric I not using any program, I have created a virtual linux machine, and I have used net install iso to install debian
120[01:06:29] <SomethingGeneric> How did you create the virtual linux machine?
121[01:06:42] <ratrace> gcosmin: apparently your network is working, just very packet lossy
122[01:06:48] <gcosmin> using the Oracle VM VIrtualBox Manager
123[01:06:58] <ratrace> gcosmin: can you try ping with a bit more packets, say 50?
127[01:07:37] <SomethingGeneric> I'd had similar issues with SSH'ing into VMs before
128[01:07:42] <ratrace> SomethingGeneric: what nat adatper
129[01:08:07] <SomethingGeneric> The NAT adapter which he's presumably using as the machine's eth link
130[01:08:27] <ratrace> meanwhile, this doesn't seem to be an issue for #debian at all. windows networking and/or using VBox on windows, maybe #windows is a better place
131[01:08:29] <SomethingGeneric> VirtualBox usually disallows some connections inbound through it by default
132[01:08:37] <SomethingGeneric> ratrace, yep
133[01:08:50] <gcosmin> guys you are right... I jhave tried now ping 10.0.2.15 -n 50 ....and most of them are Timed out
134[01:09:22] <ratrace> so nothing to do with port forwarding
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136[01:11:07] <SomethingGeneric> gcosmin, wonder if there's a channel for virtualbox
137[01:11:13] <SomethingGeneric> they'd know more than those of us here
153[01:18:25] <SomethingGeneric> zu22 that's an interesting error. I'm on an ubuntu machine, and at one point in the past had an issue with Ubuntu enforcing https sources. Unfortunatley, I don't have a solution for you. My one suggestion would be to look and see if debian puts any default rules in /etc/apt/conf.d that enforce correct keys and/or https
154[01:19:13] <LtL> zu22: where does it say create apt.conf? try using a proper /etc/apt/sources.list file.
156[01:19:49] <SomethingGeneric> LtL that's a good point, too. You shouldn't have to touch apt.conf unless you're doing something strange with 3rd party sources, zu22
166[01:27:36] *** Parts: zu22 (~zu22@replaced-ip) ("Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is")
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169[01:31:46] <sponix> sney: Yeah.. it is easy to use nft with it. you just have to change iptables to nftables in the config - At least for the Sid version that works fine :)
170[01:31:57] <sponix> sney: for fail2ban per our prior conversation
176[01:36:23] <brieweb> I just installed Debian buster with Secure Boot turned on. It worked. I tried installing Xen and it said that it couldn't boot Xen with the secure boot. I went in the bios, and now it will start to boot, but the screen goes dark. I have to power the machine off and restart
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179[01:36:58] <brieweb> should I reinstall secure boot turned off and try installing Xen again?
187[01:46:58] <sponix> brieweb: if you have nothing invested in this install. Yes, reinstall with EFI ON, and Secure boot OFF.
188[01:47:04] <sponix> brieweb: what GPU do you have ?
189[01:47:29] <brieweb> it's an intel GPU. I am not running graphics. Let me check
190[01:48:13] <brieweb> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series Graphics & Display
191[01:48:36] <Vejeta> Hi guys, have you detected some application windows not refreshing lately? The windows are refreshed after being resized. I have noticed it on chromium/spotify/slack, among others. So I am looking at what they have in common
192[01:48:37] <brieweb> nothing invested, so I will try reinstall
193[01:49:06] <brieweb> sponix, thanks for the advice. I will see how it goes
194[01:49:43] <sponix> brieweb: I wish you the best of luck, that i915 GPU (likely) should be supported directly by the kernel. Not sure why you would get a blank stare from it :)
199[01:50:47] <brieweb> I don't know. I see a few messages and before I can see them it goes black. I checked to see if there are any logs. I didn't find any
200[01:51:03] <brieweb> I am just going to try from scratch. See how it goes
202[01:52:44] <sponix> brieweb: make sure to install open-ssh server if that is an option within the install. That way you can try to ssh in if it still fails to load all the way up
265[02:39:27] <brieweb> and, I don't really have a serial console on this...
266[02:39:40] <sponix> brieweb: install "inxi" and then run this: post the provided *LINK* from this terminal command: inxi -Fxxxrzc0 | nc termbin.com 9999
267[02:40:10] <sponix> brieweb: and if you haven't of course. Make sure virtualization is enabled in the UEFI/BIOS :)
340[04:14:32] <BalooRJ> I'm having an issue with running DOSBox in WINE in Debian that I'm curious to know if anyone else has come across
341[04:14:56] <BalooRJ> when DOSBox captures my mouse, and I attempt to move it inside the emulator, the emulator stutters and skips while the mouse moves. When the mouse does not move, DOSBox works fine
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346[04:16:17] <BalooRJ> It is part of a specially configured way to play an old PC game from the 1990s that I have been unable to install properly in WINE by itself
376[04:54:35] <somiaj> BalooRJ: good to hear, I was just intially confused why you were trying to run it in wine.
377[04:55:01] <BalooRJ> I had gotten this MSI of someone who had previously configured all of the Carmen Sandiego games in a Windows 3.1 install in DOSBox
378[04:55:42] <BalooRJ> Now if only I can figure out how they actually created shortcuts to already running instances of the games in Windows 3.1 in DOSBox. My next project..
402[05:41:22] <CaptainShell> Got it it was libcurl4-openssl-dev
403[05:42:06] <CaptainShell> Just didn't see it in the search results. And by the way, is there a way to make apt search just search package names an not the whole description and list of installed files?
404[05:42:35] <somiaj> --names-only
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407[05:46:23] <luna> Hello debian folk. I'm running into an issue of every time I have to upgrade, I get a "subprocess dpkg --set-selections received signal 9". Would anyone be familiar with why this might happen?
435[06:19:16] <brieweb> sponix, I have not yet had luck on the Xen on the system. I had to switch gears and finish writing the exam for the class I teach. I don't know if there is more debug output for Xen or if I can somehow wire up a serial port
436[06:19:36] <brieweb> I did get a screen shot of the messages passing by. I can post it on my blog.
450[06:32:20] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
466[06:53:16] <DasJournal> journalctl --since 00:00:00 is completely ignored, I'm only getting logs from about an hour ago regardless. A service has been making about 50 entries per second since then though, has that flushed my logs?
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478[07:05:03] <brieweb> I seem to recall before passing a parameter to Xen in boot. Yet, these things run for a long time and cobwebs collect all over the place
494[07:20:48] <ratrace> DasJournal: yes, the journal has a size limit that you can configure, default being 4GB or 10-15% of the filesystem it's stored on, whichever is larger.
495[07:24:39] <brieweb> sponix2ipfw, yes, I can imagine it is a little late!
712[12:00:41] <AndreasLutro> I have the following snippet saved for listing packages installed from non-stable repos: aptitude search -F "%p %v" "?narrow(?installed,?not(?archive(stable)))" -- however, I don't really want to install aptitude, so wondering if there are any alternatives to this command using apt, apt-cache, dpkg-query or similar?
743[12:28:42] <Haohmaru> the truth about existance of everything
744[12:29:01] <themill> "apt list --installed | grep -v /stable" is probably enough. Note that apt in bullseye has new patterns that should let it do that more easily
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778[12:57:41] <|san|> hello there, can I block ssh login brute force attempts otherwise than adding specific ip addresses in AllowUsers in ssh config? I mean, is this solution secure enough?
779[12:58:30] * Haohmaru deploys an ear
780[12:59:07] <|san|> :)
781[12:59:30] <wsky> |san|: fail2ban works ok
782[13:00:11] <|san|> cool!
783[13:00:23] <|san|> ill try that, haven't heard of that one before.
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819[13:26:50] <pitch> hey there, i am on debian buster running on a device without a hardware RTC. is there a simple possibility to write the time continiously to a file and loading this file while booting. in order to set the time before init. so the systemd status (and other services) will show correct runtimes.
820[13:27:35] <Haohmaru> sounds like one of those single-board comput0rz
821[13:27:40] <pitch> atm i am running for 50 years and 4 months
833[13:34:34] <laughingtiger> first time I began with qemu-kvm, and I telephoned microsoft to activate it, I typed the command on my physical windows, it should be on the vm windows, but then after I actually activated my physical windows twice and logged into the vm windows, it was activated too ! then I thought hmm activating is easy, then when I changed to vmware or virtualbox, microsoft told me my version of windows is impossible to activate on two machines.
841[13:36:47] <laughingtiger> pingfloyd, I know it was the reason, or way to activate, but idk how.
842[13:37:44] <laughingtiger> and vmplayer freezes my debian several times, I had to press REISUB to reboot.
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844[13:38:33] <laughingtiger> and virtualbox won't let me change the windows screen resolution, it only gave me three or five resolutions. guys on virtualbox channel didn't know what the actually f* happened.
859[13:48:37] <pitch> and another issue. i want to enable and start a service. the error states the unit failed and is therefore not activated. i should see syslog or 'systemctl status FOO' for further details, but systemctl states there is no FOO status and sylog is afaiu completly taken over by systemd, right?
884[14:08:35] <pitch> Windows is pretty much obligatory for gaming (this statement became less true over the past years) else there are plenty of alternatives.
885[14:09:05] <Haohmaru> i don't care bout gaming but music x_x
886[14:09:21] <otis> steam already works in debian
896[14:14:21] <Haohmaru> i'm thinking to give it a try, there's maybe one option that might work on linux, if it does, imma have to reinvent my toolz but perhaps that's a good price to pay for ditching the crapdows crap
897[14:15:16] <shinobi_> After installing Deb 10, my wifi is not recognized. How do I troubleshoot and correct this?
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1051[15:28:07] <joepublic> all kernels in backports are going to be those marked as stable by upstream, even though they are not part of debian stable.
1070[15:48:54] <ztester> This question is a bit off topic for Debian specifically, but I figured you all might know the best answer. Does anyone know of a vps or server provider that allows you to attach a large amount of ip addresses to an instance
1102[16:09:38] <huhu15> i have not tried it, I'm not used to linux, I just use a raspberry pi with debian as samba server
1103[16:11:02] <huhu15> so, the error message after entering the password is : Access denied
1104[16:11:06] <jelly> ztester, use the alis bot to find a hosting related channel and ask there. /msg alis help ; /msg alis list hosting ; /msg alis list lowend
1105[16:11:29] <jelly> huhu15, look at /var/log/auth.log and see whether a) your attempts are reaching the correct machine and b) whether it's really due to incorrect auth or there's some other error
1106[16:12:20] <huhu15> I'll have a look, 1 min
1107[16:12:37] <jelly> Access denied is not "Authentication failed", it's more "auth succeeded but some other piece of policy of configuration is preventing log in for this particular user"
1109[16:13:21] <jelly> if you have a raspberry ip you're probably running raspbian on it, not actual debian
1110[16:13:37] <jelly> so in case my guess wrt OS is right,
1111[16:13:39] <jelly> !raspbian
1112[16:13:39] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
1113[16:15:04] <huhu15> It has to do with AllowGroups, my user not is in a group allowed to access as it seems
1116[16:15:54] <jelly> huhu15, that sounds like a customized sshd configuration.
1117[16:16:09] <huhu15> in /etc/ssh/sshd_config ?
1118[16:16:35] <jelly> yes. Debian does not use AllowGroups at all in there, you'd have to have added it on your own
1119[16:16:50] <jelly> there's just a commented out example
1120[16:16:52] <Rico> can anybody help me with preseed ? I can't make it work. I'm using netinst debian 10 iso, I set "url=preseed" in installer line. I have a dhcp on my LAN, which priovides an IP address and a DNS name (dom.tld) to my new installed server. a preseed file is reachable at replaced-url
1121[16:17:02] <Rico> but install does not try to get it
1122[16:17:24] <huhu15> until few seconds ago I didn't even know about that :) I didn't do anything with ssh until now
1123[16:17:58] <jelly> huhu15, which brings me to, are you actually using raspbian perhaps?
1125[16:21:33] <huhu15> jelly, it could be, I followed a tutorial some months ago how to setup openmediavault
1126[16:21:53] <jim> hi all... got a problem booting... the background is, I bought a larger drive for my laptop, and when it arrived, I cloned the original internal drive to it. I;m using LVM, and the vg names are different on each drive. I'm trying to get everything involved in booting pointed at the new drive rather than the original, which apparantly something still remains that way... what am I missing? what other info do you need?
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1140[16:31:35] <Zesk> Hello, I was wondered about DSA-4682-1 about squid security updates. I saw fixed has come for debian 10 but will it be the case for jessie et stretch? Should I wait or upgrade my squid to deb10?
1145[16:34:56] <Zesk> ok, if i wait enough time, there will be an available update. In any case I should jump to the current LTS for my squid ^^. Thnaks for the answer
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1148[16:35:36] <greycat> You *cannot* install a package from Debian 10 on Debian 9. It's not even an option. And you do not appear to be using the acronym LTS correctly.
1149[16:35:45] <greycat> !lts
1150[16:35:45] <dpkg> Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <jessie-lts> and see replaced-url
1151[16:36:04] <greycat> !jessie-lts
1152[16:36:04] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 8 "Jessie" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2018-05-17. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures will receive additional long term support (<LTS>) via <jessie/updates> until June 30, 2020 for a 5 year lifetime total. See replaced-url
1153[16:36:34] <greycat> Ah, we're right at the end of jessie LTS support, so jessie might actually receive a fix. Probably/maybe.
1185[16:57:18] <jim> I'm gonna try to build a chroot, including bind mounts of /sys /proc /dev /dev/pts then see what happens when I try to make the config
1207[17:04:45] <nlpqda> somiaj: yes .. It seems buster not able to reload the sound card driver after each reboot
1208[17:05:23] <b1ack0p> user override it seems
1209[17:05:30] <b1ack0p> how can i check yt-dl version?
1210[17:05:39] <somiaj> that sounds odd, is it not loading the module in the first place? Do you have somethign like tmidity taking over the sound card at boot causing sound to not work?
1229[17:10:06] <greycat> (hint: /etc/hosts would be a likely one)
1230[17:10:24] <somiaj> nlpqda: I'm just saying there is probably some other issue that you should track down, and reloading the module doesn't sound like the proper way to fix the problem of not having sound at boot
1231[17:10:25] <greycat> consider also MTA configuration, web server virtual host configurations, etc.
1232[17:11:42] <BalooRJ> Hello all
1233[17:11:45] <nlpqda> somiaj: that is true, however I need to sound now as the first step then figure out how to fix to reboot problem
1235[17:12:33] <SerajewelKS> (re-asking) i've tried using kexec to reboot a server (kexec -l --reuse-cmdline --initrd /boot/initrd... /boot/vmlinuz... && systemctl kexec) and it works on the first reboot (system comes back up) but on the second it does not and hangs indefinitely. this is on an AWS EC2 server. has anyone else experienced this kind of weirdness with kexec? this is with 4.19.0-9-cloud-amd64
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1237[17:12:40] <nlpqda> the sound card doesn't appear from alsamixer
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1239[17:13:00] <b1ack0p> thanks greycat
1240[17:13:19] <b1ack0p> well on irssi it doesnt show correct time how can i change it?
1241[17:13:20] <BalooRJ> Two quick questions if anyone can answer: Is there a GUI program that can edit fstab? I have a Windows share that I want to automate mounting on startup. Gigolo doesn't work in this regard because Thunar has an issue with writing files to SMB1 shares. So I'm currently using the "sudo mount" command to mount this samba share. Second, is there an equivalent to Gnome-disk-utility package for XFCE desktops? Thanks.
1242[17:13:25] <b1ack0p> is it irssi or system related?
1247[17:14:04] <somiaj> BalooRJ: any gui editior can be used if you run it as root, though it is best to not run gui things s root.
1248[17:15:06] <BalooRJ> somaij: Yeah, my stomach always turns when I attempt to edit a file like fstab or sources.list in nano or thunar mousepad, prefer the tailored GUI programs for those kinds of things so I don't break anything mistakenly
1250[17:15:41] <BalooRJ> A program like software-properties-gtk, but for the fstab file. If not, I may just edit the file itself in nano then
1251[17:15:49] <b1ack0p> greycat: nope
1252[17:16:09] <nlpqda> sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel fixed the sound playback problem
1253[17:16:14] <greycat> Then it's not an irssi issue. Are you using ntp? Which implementation? Is your local timezone set correctly?
1254[17:16:20] <joepublic> does it show a time that is correct somewhere in the world?
1255[17:16:45] <b1ack0p> greycat: ah i remember. since i am using system language english i didnt set it correct while installing debian
1256[17:16:54] <b1ack0p> it was set US
1257[17:16:57] <somiaj> BalooRJ: Get use to editing text config files, one shouldn't need a special editor for each and every config file on your system.
1258[17:17:14] <greycat> !tz
1259[17:17:15] <dpkg> A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: execute "service postfix restart" to update localtime in the chroot.
1286[17:26:45] <greycat> b1ack0p: (1) run 'date -u' and see if that gives you the correct UTC time. If it does, your system clock is OK and it's just your local timezone that's not. Fix your local timezone as dpkg instructed.
1287[17:27:37] <greycat> b1ack0p: (2) run 'date' with no arguments to see the time translated into your local timezone. ACTUALLY LOOK AT the output. It will include a string that is supposed to represent your local timezone. If that string doesn't look correct, it's another sign that your local timezone is set incorrectly.
1289[17:28:40] <greycat> If 'date -u' gives you the wrong UTC time, then it means your system clock is wrong, and you'll need to correct that. The preferred way to correct your system clock is to run an NTP daemon, which will synchronize it with sources on the Internet, and keep it synced.
1291[17:29:07] <greycat> You may not be able to run NTP if you are not a "real" computer installation -- e.g. if you're on a VPS, or if you're the guest in a virtual machine arrangement.
1292[17:29:30] <greycat> In those cases, contact your hosting provider or system administrator.
1293[17:29:34] * graphicsv Any idea why chromium doesn't detect my virtual webcam? It's just ridiculous. I'm using v4l* libs and I can actually use it just fine in Firefox. But it doesn't work in Opera nor Chrome or any variant of Chromium
1294[17:29:46] <graphicsv> Why my message went like that? That's weird
1295[17:30:49] <pwnd_nsfw> Too much text for one message
1327[17:43:14] <greycat> So, date -u's output looks correct, or at least close enough. If "+03" is not a correct representation for your local timezone, then see what dpkg said about configuring your local timezone.
1328[17:43:16] <b1ack0p> this is the correct time :
1329[17:43:18] <b1ack0p> $ date
1330[17:43:18] <b1ack0p> Tue 12 May 2020 06:42:59 PM +03
1331[17:43:24] <greycat> So everything is happy now?
1332[17:43:38] <b1ack0p> greycat: no date -u showing -3
1333[17:43:46] <greycat> date -u shows the UTC time
1334[17:43:47] <greycat> !utc
1335[17:43:47] <dpkg> Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is the standard by which the world regulates clocks and time (replaced-url
1336[17:44:01] <b1ack0p> shouldnt they be same?
1337[17:44:08] <greycat> *sigh*
1338[17:44:15] <greycat> Not for most people.
1339[17:44:22] <b1ack0p> ook
1340[17:44:36] <b1ack0p> so date -u shows universal time while date shows local time?
1341[17:44:45] <greycat> The whole point of UTC is that it's a single universal time for the entire planet, independent of where on the planet you happen to be.
1342[17:44:50] <b1ack0p> where is UTC anyway? greenwich ?
1343[17:45:01] <b1ack0p> ook got it now
1344[17:45:10] <b1ack0p> UTC is the standard time for earth
1355[17:49:35] <SerajewelKS> are you not currently running debian?
1356[17:49:53] <greycat> !iwlwifi
1357[17:49:53] <dpkg> The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports several Intel 802.11n (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N) and 802.11ac adapters. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices and troubleshooting hints are listed at replaced-url
1358[17:50:10] <n-iCe> SerajewelKS: not yet
1359[17:50:33] <n-iCe> greycat: ok, so yes, thank you!
1394[18:11:11] <SerajewelKS> note that fractional days are not considered (they are rounded towards zero)
1395[18:11:27] <greycat> the rounding is also a weird thing. the actual test is "n > 2" where n is calculated by subtracting the timestamps, dividing by 86400 or whatever, and truncating
1396[18:11:43] <greycat> *nod* SerajewelKS is on the same page I am
1397[18:11:58] <SerajewelKS> yep. it takes some getting used to.
1400[18:12:54] <greycat> The most important thing is you shouldn't *care* so hard. If your backup script uses -mtime +30 -delete, and it actually only deletes things that are 29 days old, or 31 days old, who cares.
1407[18:14:16] <chmykh> Hello dear Debian users! I need help as newbie. 1. I have just installed Debian with GNOME DE. How to exclude terminal app from utitilties folder? I can't just drag-n-drop it.
1413[18:15:51] <cybercrypto> chmykh: rigth click on it, remove from favorite. (is you using default dock or custom gnome-shell?
1414[18:16:55] <chmykh> cybercrypto: I mean other menu. GNOME have 'show apps' button, so i see frequently apps and all apps. All apps containing subfolder.
1415[18:17:15] <chmykh> Subfolder containing system monitor, terminal, etc.
1416[18:17:21] <cybercrypto> chmykh: I see, sorry.. i misunsderstood you.
1417[18:17:37] <chmykh> I'd like to move it to all app grid instead utilities subfolder.
1418[18:17:59] <ratrace> iirc you'd need to change the category in its .desktop launcher
1419[18:18:00] <chmykh> cybercrypto: it is my fault - I am bad with english.
1420[18:19:43] <chmykh> ratrace: thank you.
1421[18:19:55] <chmykh> I think I got it - GNOME in debian is a bit outdated.
1422[18:20:02] <cybercrypto> chmykh: I have to think if gnome version in debian already offers drag and drop... i believe not (you may see it in ubuntu based i beleive)
1443[18:42:34] <n-iCe> I'm trying to use: dpkg -i google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb
1444[18:42:55] <n-iCe> but I'm getting this NOTA: El PATH de root debería incluir habitualmente /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin y /sbin.
1445[18:43:03] <n-iCe> path should include those, what's going on?
1446[18:43:10] <greycat> !buster su
1447[18:43:10] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
1473[18:57:59] <greycat> so it's actually google-chrome-stable?
1474[18:58:12] <n-iCe> I Guess
1475[18:58:21] <cybercrypto> n-iCe: .deb package from google, it is recommended that you sudo apt install ./file_downloaded.deb (instead of dpkg)
1476[18:58:25] <n-iCe> I download from here, replaced-url
1477[18:58:37] <n-iCe> cybercrypto: oh, did not know that
1478[18:58:41] <petn-randall> n-iCe: Maybe they didn't ship an icon, you should check with their support.
1479[18:58:58] <n-iCe> cybercrypto: can I Just reinstall?
1480[18:58:59] <greycat> google-chrome-stable includes some .xpm and .png files in /opt/google/chrome/ but I have no idea which one(s), if any, are "icons"
1482[18:59:06] <cybercrypto> n-iCe: if you do using apt, the package manager will handle the repository for you and icons.
1483[18:59:59] <cybercrypto> n-iCe: it also converts from 'file' towards google-chrome-stable automatically.
1484[19:00:02] <n-iCe> done, apt --fix-broken install fixed the icon issue.
1485[19:00:03] <n-iCe> thanks cybercrypto
1486[19:01:02] <cybercrypto> n-iCe: well... is ok for you to remove exactly to the point before you used dpkg? remove it first and then try installing using apt.
1487[19:01:44] <petn-randall> Should have the same result as `apt install -f`, though that isn't as elegant.
1488[19:01:49] <n-iCe> I tried just apt install ./file.deb, it told me to use apt --fix-broken install ,and it fixed it.
1489[19:02:12] <cybercrypto> n-iCe: i use chrome myself, for few corporate mandatory compliances, so i did intalled in the same way and it is auto-updated via offical google repo.
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1514[19:06:42] <petn-randall> _Fremen_: #9 and #11 are only needed if you actually break something.
1515[19:07:15] <mesaboogie> _Fremen_: and purge will get your config files
1516[19:07:24] <petn-randall> _Fremen_: #7 only makes sense if you also want to remove any config files from removed packages. You can purge instead of remove the package to do that in one step.
1518[19:07:44] <cybercrypto> _Fremen_: I use this single line, one in a while and it is more than enough: sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y && sudo apt auto-remove -y
1526[19:08:54] <_Fremen_> petn-randall, I just wanted to create a security build in, because I use debian testing, if something is broke after update fix it.
1551[19:15:43] <_Fremen_> should I change "sudo apt autoremove" to "sudo apt autoremove --purge" to delete config files as well?
1552[19:16:09] <cybercrypto> _Fremen_: I do not use testing, sorry.. i cannot comment on that. If the server needs stabillity, please consider using debian stable instead.
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1561[19:24:13] <Akuw_> find / -name '*.tgz' -mtime +180 --> find files older than 180 days ?
1562[19:24:30] <jaami> web browser hangs up my system when full screen video is started. i need to know how i can kill a process taking cpu power for more than 10 seconds. can someone tell me how automatically a process is killed?
1563[19:24:55] <Akuw_> cron
1564[19:25:56] <jaami> i am reading . thanks a lot
1565[19:26:40] <cybercrypto> jaami: what do you want to achieve?
1568[19:28:26] <jaami> cybercrypto, thank you for asking. i want a process killed automatically that takes more than 50% of cpu for more than 10 seconds
1571[19:29:48] <cybercrypto> jaami: when that criteria meets, you want to kill that PID. note that criteria not always will show a true problem. process can take more cpu time than that and thats normal.
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1609[19:44:01] <ksk> "Part Number:"??
1610[19:44:51] <ksk> Seems something is wrong hardware/bios-wise. First make the bios recognize 4G of ram, then continue with linux
1611[19:45:11] <miskatonic> here is my free -m : Mem: 3655 136 3115 15 403 3284
1612[19:46:15] <Brigo> ksk, i have updated the bios just now, any other sugestion ?
1613[19:46:54] <ksk> Brigo: looking up the part number vs. the supported memory list of the mainboard.
1614[19:47:11] <cybercrypto> !wgetpaste
1615[19:47:11] <dpkg> wgetpaste is a CLI application for sending text to a pastebin, its only dependencies are bash and wget. To install and use: wget replaced-url
1616[19:47:31] <ksk> Brigo: is it just broken maybe? ##hardware could be of help, not sure how to debug that and if its ontopic in #debian
1617[19:47:44] <Brigo> ksk, ok thank you
1618[19:47:47] <ksk> !tell cybercrypto about pastebinit
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1655[20:21:24] <GenuineGNULinux> Your GNU/Linux copy is not activated. You may be a victim of software counterfeiting. Do you want to enter product key now?
1656[20:21:38] <GenuineGNULinux> If you don't have a product key, contact me to purchase a license.
1716[20:58:12] <brutser> if i run debian as a guest in vbox, what xserver-xorg-video driver i need in combination with the vbox guest additions? is that xserver-xorg-video-vesa, or do i just install xserver-xorg-video-all ?
1732[21:10:00] <karlpinc> brutser: Because we say not to? People will ignore you if they see the same question asked twice, which is rude. And the people who really know answers are probably in multiple channels.
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1734[21:10:55] <zodd__> what is the current preferred way of starting instances of docker during boottime of buster?
1735[21:10:59] <brutser> karlpinc: that is ridiculous, it perfectly makes sense that i ask this question in #debian and in #vbox - come on
1736[21:11:20] <greycat> It's incredibly frustrating because the purpose of IRC is for answers to be shared among lots of people, not to help *YOU*. If the question is asked in multiple places, each of those places only gets a fragment of the discussion, while *YOU* get everything, but you only care about yourself, right?
1737[21:11:24] <brutser> if i would do that in 3,4,5 channels ok
1738[21:12:08] <brutser> greycat: the reason to ask in 2 channels, is because the question has 2 sides that fit both channels perfect
1739[21:12:22] <brutser> any input from both channels would be of value to anyone else beside me
1741[21:13:55] <brutser> greycat: and i understand your point, but it's not ALWAYS applicable to all situation
1742[21:14:07] <cybercrypto> brutser: You missing your point here.... you are not getting any closer to an answer if you continue justifying against the volunteers trying to help. Stop a sec and re-think. :-)
1743[21:14:30] <joepublic> I presume the perennial advice "why not go ask in #so-and-so" will be discontinued in light of the once and only once doctrine...
1745[21:15:01] <brutser> cybercrypto: i don't mean to get closer to an answer with this debate, all i am doing is defending myself from the accusation of towo`
1758[21:22:48] <Akuw_> a cron "7 * * * *" run minute 7 each hour right?
1759[21:23:39] <karlpinc> joepublic: It's always: "If you don't get an answer here try go asking in #so-and-so". Or just "We don't know, go ask there".
1760[21:23:44] <karlpinc> Akuw_: Yup.
1761[21:23:53] <Akuw_> thz
1762[21:24:20] <karlpinc> Akuw_: Although depending on the cron you're using (etc) a fuzz-factor can be added in.
1763[21:24:34] <Akuw_> ?
1764[21:25:45] <karlpinc> Akuw_: I'm not really familiar, but anacron, for example, is not guarenteed to deliver exactly on time. Just close. And others have fuzz built-in to avoid the "everyone on the internet sends me an email at midnight the first of the month" problem. It's probably configurable and surely documented.
1770[21:29:50] <skibur> Where do I add the pam_time.so module?
1771[21:32:13] <greycat> There's a sample line in pam_time(8). I would imagine you put it in the pam config for whatever service you're trying to restrict.
1773[21:33:42] <skibur> I see the EXAMPLES section
1774[21:34:01] <urxtnw> somiaj, hey, I chatted with you about this a while back. I was going to set up a VPN then I was thinking of making my laptop connect to the VPN automatically on startup, and I was going to use /etc/network/interfaces. Do you happen to have a tutorial for that? Basically I'm looking for a low level connection, something like when I boot the system it alaways connects to i.e. xxx.xxx.xx(my ip)
1775[21:34:13] <skibur> What should the file be called and where do I put the file?
1776[21:34:14] <karlpinc> brutser: No accusations. Recommendations.
1777[21:34:23] <greycat> skibur: if you have to ask this, you are NOT ready for this.
1778[21:34:32] <skibur> lol
1779[21:34:37] <greycat> skibur: you do not create a file. You edit an existing file.
1783[21:36:42] <greycat> You edited /etc/pam.d/login which is used by login. Did you then *actually* use login? As in, a directy console-getty-login chain?
1784[21:36:53] <greycat> Or are you logging in some other way? ssh? gdm3?
1785[21:37:08] <skibur> not ssh or gdm3
1786[21:38:06] <karlpinc> skibur: Might look at "man 7 pam" to get an overview. FYI.
1787[21:38:09] <skibur> I'm trying to restrict some application like 'flatpak' with line in time.conf flatpak;*; username;!Al0000-2400
1788[21:38:21] <greycat> So you're not actually logging in? AT ALL?
1797[21:41:11] <skibur> I got that example from the actual time.conf file.
1798[21:41:11] <greycat> It can't. It is only used by programs that explicitly link with *and* *use* the PAM library. Which is stuff like ssh, login, and so on.
1811[21:49:29] <greycat> set up two crontab entries, one which does chmod 000 /path/to/flatpak, and the other which does chmod 755 /path/to/flatpak, and make them run at the desired times
1826[21:55:49] <joepublic> "Yeah, support? for some reason flatpak wouldn't work so I had to download the binary and put it in my user directory, and then what happened was..."
1887[22:30:32] <urxtnw> If I use systemd to start a unit at book with: systemctl enable unit. What is actually happening? Will this be enabled forever, or is there a chance this setting might be re-written if I do a system upgrade? Will this setting be written in some file?
1896[22:33:16] <urxtnw> greycat, cybercrypto and if i ENABLE IT there is no chance even with a major kernel upgrade and systemd utils upgrade that this setting will change correct?
1897[22:33:56] <greycat> I already answered you. Do I need to keep repeating the same answer?
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1900[22:37:39] <cybercrypto> urxtnw: it will continue to be started during boot, even after upgrades (minor or major) in normal conditions. The only issue you may encounter is when if your service depends on another unit that fails to start (thats rare, but I saw it few times).
1932[22:56:28] <cybercrypto> greycat: Sorry, i did not mean to jump over your reply. I acctually poorly read the urxtnw question at first and missed the enable word in command.
1933[22:56:57] <greycat> Apparently they needed it repeated, so no problem.
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1992[23:47:09] <nvz> ok, so I am having an issue here with network lag that seems to be due to losing my routes. I'm noticing it due to use of mosh which puts up a banner showing how long it has been since it had contact with the server.. which is happening ridiculously frequently and for like 20-60sec on average it seems every 20-60 sec or so To further complicate this issue it seems to only happen when I'm on "xfinitywifi" not
1996[23:48:03] <nvz> m connected to my cell phone.. the main differences is my cell phone's AP is secured and leases for 2hrs.. xfinitywifi is open, leases for 5 minutes and their network is such that there are APs with the namne "xfinitywifi all over the place with different MAC IDs
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1998[23:49:20] <nvz> I am getting 3/4 bars to the xfinitywifi, this is happeneing recently for days now on two different machines on buster, one sid, when I had flawless connectivity in same location with same machines for a month or more
1999[23:49:56] <nvz> when mosh shows the lag, I cannot load web pages.. or reconnect to mosh.. it'll say no route to host or such
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2007[23:53:06] <nvz> there is nothing in journalctl -k and only things I see in jornalctl are normal messages about the DHCP renewal.. and this is happening much more frequently than the renewal
2009[23:53:56] <satanist> hi im try to get a dependency graphe of some packages with apt-cache dotty package | dot ... but dot segfaults, I have also seend there is support for xvcg but I couldn't find a package which can render the output
2010[23:54:32] <nvz> thats not impossible, but I only have at most two devices on it at any one time, and this area is not terribly dense in population and most everyone nearby has their own AP :P
2014[23:57:48] <nvz> I have lived in far more densely populated areas and not had these issues with xfinitywifi.. many of their services, streaming TV, recent addition of cellular phone service.. etc rely on these networks functioning well.. but I'll see if maybe they can do any diagnostics on their end too
2017[23:59:50] <jim> is it possible to take a cloned debian, and run an installer on it, mount the partitions using the partition tool, then just run the grub install?
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