6[00:03:05] <annadane> i've wondered about that, how likely is an iso likely to be corrupted if downloaded via torrent? because you're copying the exact sequence of bits in a torrent
7[00:03:09] <annadane> as opposed to a direct download
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9[00:03:20] <dbristow> dvs: 3 times as much seeding as downloaded
10[00:03:56] <annadane> i tend to download images via the debian site but if i can do it via torrent and skip the verification steps that would be nice though you should probably always do it regardless
13[00:05:25] <dbristow> Well, what I do is start with a direct download, mostly because I like the fact that my download tools preserve the modification time (torrents unfortunately do not store that, you get the current date)
14[00:05:43] <dbristow> Then I seed to 3.0 ratio, which is the highest that transmission allows
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47[00:21:16] <sp3t3rs> Well, install transmission server and connect localhost with transmission remote, I can confirm that you can customize ratio as you like in this setup
48[00:21:35] <sp3t3rs> Might be a little bit over kill for a debian image though dbristow :D
52[00:22:30] <dbristow> I figure I have to stop sometime.
53[00:22:54] <dbristow> My actual ratio right now is like 4.9 overall, because I don't download via torrent.
54[00:23:25] <sp3t3rs> Wait, I've found a dialog in settings where you can set the ratio limit as you would like to
55[00:23:37] <dbristow> Hmm, let me check.
56[00:23:57] <sp3t3rs> I can send you a screenhot, but it will be german...
57[00:24:04] <dbristow> Ohh, I see what you're saying.
58[00:24:07] <dbristow> I will go to 5.0
59[00:25:14] <sp3t3rs> Is the tracker the debian torrents are using throttling based on ratio? I mean it's friendly to keep a high ratio but I only know this behaviour from private trackers
60[00:25:15] <dbristow> Didn't realize I could edit that value
251[03:45:48] <Unit193> Sure thing, you can also use a backport kernel, but you'll still want wireguard-tools.
252[03:45:51] <Aurora_v_kosmose> Hm. I was sort of hoping it'd give me some more detail. Such as reason for dkms vs bre-built.
253[03:46:06] <Aurora_v_kosmose> *pre
254[03:47:08] <Unit193> It's fairly new, so until 5.6 it wasn't in the kernel. Debian backported it to the 5.5 series though, so if you have one of those..
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256[03:47:54] <Aurora_v_kosmose> Ah, so it doesn't work unless I use a backported kernel.
257[03:49:13] <Aurora_v_kosmose> Correct?
258[03:49:18] <Unit193> No, what I'm saying is you have two options: DKMS OR the backported kernel.
259[03:49:31] <Aurora_v_kosmose> Oh, it's actually built-in with >=5.5? That's neat.
272[03:52:15] <Unit193> sponix: As I noted, the dkms module is for everything pre-dating 5.5 in Debian. If you're on 5.5+ you shouldn't use the dkms module.
322[05:09:09] <somiaj> yea, but it doesn't apepar (at least according to that docs) there is an usb id quivlant
323[05:09:57] <jim> ok, so no usb ids on judd... how do you generally deal with hardware connected by usb? if the driver doesn't autoload, how to figure out which driver it needs?
324[05:10:32] <somiaj> just search the internet, and see if there is support and what kernel version
444[07:38:45] <gnr> Wulf: i can set the domain name value by domainname command and the escape code for \o in /etc/issue can be shown, but this is not permanent upon reboot
473[08:01:03] <iateadonut> is there a way to extract a single line from a tar.gz sql file without actually extracting the entire file? every thing i've seen uses zcat or gunzip and then piping to sed or head or whatever to get the line - this takes a while for a very large file. i'm wondering if there's a faster way.
474[08:02:12] <Wulf> iateadonut: you can stop processing the file once you found what you need. But till then you need to uncompress everything.
475[08:03:01] <Wulf> iateadonut: are there multiple files in one .tar and you only need one of those?
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480[08:08:42] <themill> it very much depends on how the SQL is formatted too. If it's one of these delightful mysql dumps where each table is one long line, you're stuffed.
492[08:23:43] <gnr> iateadonut: grep and zgrep can show the --line-number but you need to know the string, not the other way around. If so yes.. extract and then use sed and awk is the best tool
493[08:25:57] <gnr> iateadonut: try this out replaced-url
540[09:18:39] <lembron> uhm, anything meaningfull in the last deb10 update that i cant find in changelogs what might explain cpu-load rising? - 3 totally equal servers, gree one was updated last night (and its been quite some hour, so all caches are warm...) replaced-url
550[09:22:51] <lembron> well it moved from .2 to .3, so htop is not all that meaningfull ;-) - but now that you say that... i might be a potato and its just missing my overclock =)
551[09:24:07] <lembron> cpu/intel_pstate/min_perf_pct = 16 -- yea, that be it, will buzz again if not lol... thanks
683[10:21:17] <rendar> why? and why everytime aptget upgrade messes things up?
684[10:21:23] <rendar> i'm fed up!
685[10:21:39] <Haohmaru> messes things up?
686[10:21:50] <Haohmaru> my debians are wurking fine *shrug*
687[10:21:55] <rendar> Haohmaru: mine is not
688[10:22:03] <rendar> 09:43 | <pnbeast> rendar, that's pretty common with Debian systems. They just up and start throwing random errors, because they've randomly changed some important configuration, or installed some random software. I bet sometimes it'll delete things by itself, too. This is why Debian is reputed to be so unstable.
689[10:22:05] <Haohmaru> have you been naughty with it?
690[10:22:11] <rendar> and that what has been told me on #linux
691[10:22:34] <Haohmaru> eh?
692[10:22:36] <somiaj> rendar: what version of debian do you run?
693[10:22:42] <rendar> somiaj: 10
694[10:22:51] <rendar> Haohmaru: you did read it well
695[10:23:07] <somiaj> that comment you got must be from someone who doesn't understand debian systems, debian stable doesn't randomally change things.
696[10:23:29] <rendar> somiaj: far enough, STILL after an apt upgrade, i can't run applications!!!!!
709[10:24:51] <rendar> somiaj: the one released by nvidia
710[10:24:52] <Haohmaru> rendar ... i'd say russian roulette
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712[10:24:57] <rendar> i installed it through apt
713[10:25:08] <somiaj> rendar: so you downloaded the driver from nvidia, okay what package did you install
714[10:25:34] <Haohmaru> rendar did you read what the debian documentation/wiki says about nvidia drivers?
715[10:25:44] <rendar> i don't remember the package..i did that more than 1 year ago, i simply did that trough apt, and apt every time updated that
716[10:25:45] <somiaj> if you installed the one from nvidia.com, apt will mess that one up with upgrades, though I have heard someone else have issues with the nvidia driver after the recent kernel upgrade
717[10:26:05] <rendar> uhm
718[10:26:20] <somiaj> rendar: two things to check, one 'lsmod | grep nvidia' do you see the nvidia module being loaded, also you can boot up off the old kernel and see if things worked.
719[10:26:24] <rendar> do you think guys that i will be better off with a more linux-friendly video board?
720[10:26:40] <rendar> somiaj: ok, wait
721[10:26:44] <gnr> just rollback if it got messed up
722[10:26:55] <rendar> gnr: i can't
723[10:27:01] <somiaj> nvidia non-free can be a little annoying, but I've had good luck with it. Though I think your card needs a nvidia-legacy driver right?
724[10:27:06] <rendar> gnr: if i run a previous version, X11 won't start
734[10:29:00] <rendar> wait, you mean replaced-url
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736[10:29:08] <rendar> sorry, cancel first words
737[10:29:59] <somiaj> okay, now lets look at your Xorg.0.log file, so far I don't see anything that would prevent dri from working
738[10:31:07] <usney> Is it possible to mount a virtual /tmp folder like a swapfile?
739[10:31:48] <somiaj> usney: I don't quite follow what you mean? I have seen /tmp mounted tmpfs, but that is not the same as a swapfile at all
740[10:31:59] <rendar> somiaj: ok, where Xorg.0.log is located?
741[10:32:37] <usney> I mean you know how you can create swap space in a virtual file called a swapfile is it possible to do the same with creating a virtual tempfs and mounted on /tmp?
743[10:33:28] <somiaj> rendar: either /var/log or $HOME/.local/share/xorg/
744[10:33:39] <usney> So instead of creating a separate partition for /tmp can you do it with a virtual file?
745[10:34:39] <somiaj> usney: You can do that, you can use loopback devices to mount a file at a location, but I smell an xy problem here. What is your actual goal, why is /tmp a seprate partition, and why not use tmpfs?
746[10:34:54] <somiaj> it is common to use /tmp as tmpfs, but I've never seen someoen making it their own partition or a loopback mount
757[10:37:19] <rendar> i had to return back to 0-8 from 0-9, because 0-9 blacklisted my audio board!
758[10:37:52] <somiaj> that seems odd, you have a lot of odd issues, but yet nothign is appearing in your logs. According to that dri2 is loading and runing just fine
759[10:37:58] <rendar> yesterday i was there, if you scroll up, trying to solve the audio problem, wondering why debian didn't notice me of the blacklist
760[10:38:37] <usney> I installed debian with the one of the separate partition options which one of them included separate partition for /tmp so I might reinstalled and do the tmpfs and mount it on /tmp instead since I am having problems with it. somiaj
764[10:39:17] <rendar> somiaj: dri2 is loading and running just fine but applications don't start :(
765[10:39:48] <somiaj> usney: you don't have to reinstall, you could just remove the /tmp mount from /etc/fstab and then just have /tmp as part of root
773[10:41:34] <somiaj> rendar: I don't think that is the issue. I think you have done something unstandard to your system, but i can't see what.
774[10:41:43] <somiaj> rendar: do you ever accidently run stuff as root in $HOME?
775[10:41:44] <rendar> i didn't!
776[10:41:49] <rendar> no!
777[10:42:07] <somiaj> again I don't see what the issue could be. What DE do you use?
778[10:42:15] <Haohmaru> do you "drink and deb"?
779[10:42:46] <somiaj> I do belive the recent point release gave a new kernel and a new nvidia driver, you might want to see since you downgraded the kernel, also run the older nvidia driver.
781[10:43:18] <somiaj> you can get old packages from snapshot.debian.org, but from what you have pasted, I don't see any issues with the nvidia driver loading and being used
792[10:48:25] <lembron> just to report back from a few hours ago - i was indeed just missing the overclock on the box me potato... now all 3 are loaded same again replaced-url
799[10:58:34] <somiaj> rendar: You might want to see if using the older nvidia driver works for you, the point release included both a kernel and nvidia driver upgrade that has bug fixes. Sometimes these cause regressions, so see if the older driver works for you.
842[11:29:14] <Haohmaru> only if you ask your question
843[11:30:26] <siwenter> There's some thing I don't understand. I upgraded from stable to sid and now I'm having packages, which can be looked up by apt, but after trying to install it gives me an error. Wait a sec
847[11:32:15] <siwenter> Same for "-t experimental"
848[11:32:39] <siwenter> I have similar issues with some another packages as well
849[11:33:45] <nkuttler> !unstable
850[11:33:45] <dpkg> Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. replaced-url
851[11:34:02] <nkuttler> siwenter: what you're saying is expected, if you can't fix that you should run sid
852[11:34:07] <nkuttler> shouldn't
853[11:34:32] <nkuttler> !debian-next
854[11:34:32] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
855[11:34:58] <siwenter> The problem is, I have to use it for newer versions of packages. For example I need newest version of sane-backends
856[11:35:25] <nkuttler> i hear you, but this channel is only for stable support
890[12:04:12] <NetTerminalGene> guys, debian got big update today. but my /boot partition run out of space and gave me "pigz: abort: write error on <stdout> (No space left on device)" error. what should i do?
891[12:04:48] <NetTerminalGene> update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-4.19.0-9-amd64 with 1.
903[12:09:51] <NetTerminalGene> for example it has "initrd.img-4.19.0-4-amd64"
904[12:10:01] <NetTerminalGene> but there is no such packages
905[12:10:31] <shtrb> NetTerminalGene, if you run "dpkg --get-selections | grep linux-image" and you have more than two "installed" you can uninstall the oldest ones using apt-get remove somethingold if you are not using it anymore
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908[12:13:27] <siwenter> shtrb, I would, but as I said I would need to wait quite a while for my lovely package because it's still in experimental for god knows how long. I googled about downgrading to stable but some people say it can be quite dangerous
909[12:13:44] <NetTerminalGene> shrysr, okay. i removed them. do i need to do something else now? because upgrade process finished with error
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911[12:14:17] <siwenter> I don't want to reinstall because moving to lvm+dm-crypt already took some time
930[12:19:15] <NetTerminalGene> shtrb, i don't understand. it was installing upgrade and game me error. i don't know if it happened in the middle of it or in the end
931[12:19:42] <oxek> How can I make xarchiver add an option to 'Extract to <new directory based on the filename of the archive>' to the context menu? So that it behaves like 7zip on windows. Running debian 10 xfce.
932[12:19:45] <NetTerminalGene> can i reinstall that again somehow?
933[12:20:04] <shtrb> NetTerminalGene, it's ok , just do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (or what ever you had been doing the last time )
934[12:21:03] <NetTerminalGene> shtrb, it says there is no upgrade
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936[12:21:17] <NetTerminalGene> is it ok now? i don't need to do something else?
937[12:21:41] <NetTerminalGene> i don't want to encounter with a broken system next boot
1005[12:57:42] <tarzeau> simplicius: then i'd get the tarball, unpack it, run dh_make in the unpacked directory (that requires source package be called briscola_1.0.orig.tar.gz something like it, you can just call it v1.0 or 1.0)
1006[12:57:58] <tarzeau> simplicius: then run debuild, until it is perfect :)
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1008[12:58:47] <tarzeau> simplicius: since it looks like a game to me, you might want to join #debian-games and later push it to replaced-url
1009[12:59:11] <tarzeau> simplicius: there already seems to be a game like that: replaced-url
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1040[13:21:25] <oxek> How can I make xarchiver add an option to 'Extract to <new directory based on the filename of the archive>' to the context menu? So that it behaves like 7zip on windows. Running debian 10 xfce.
1041[13:22:16] <Haohmaru> i think that depends on the filemanager and/or that xdg thing
1042[13:22:54] <Haohmaru> i've added a custom option into the file context menu but on LXDE (pcmanfm)
1056[13:42:20] <Delta706> I would like to install debian on a partition of my non-default hard disk as a sort of backup OS. Is this possible? I am assuming sufficient space is available on that partition
1083[13:55:11] <ratrace> Delta706: why? if you have grub there then the OS designated to maintain it can osprobe and include your backup OS in its regular menu
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1087[13:56:35] <Delta706> that seems even better. I will look into that osprobe option
1088[13:57:27] <Delta706> debian is happy using a partition that takes up only 30 gigabytes of a larger device?
1089[13:57:38] <ratrace> Delta706: should be pretty much default on any distro. in general it'll suffice to reconfigure grub on your main OS (assuming debian?) which should recognize and pick up your backup OS installation. just make sure that backup OS installation doesn't deal with grub too
1090[13:58:01] <Delta706> both my main and backup OS will be debian
1091[13:58:34] <ratrace> yeah be careful that you don't install grub in your backup OS anyway
1092[13:59:28] <Delta706> is there an option in the installation process that says "do not do any grub stuff"?
1093[13:59:35] <ratrace> 30G should suffice if you think it would. Debian minimal installation takes around 1-2GB, and with a full blown desktop and some usefull apps, up to 10GB, so plan more for your (user) data or any extra application suites you intend to install
1094[13:59:35] <pwnd_nsfw> Yes
1095[14:00:46] <Delta706> the backup OS is intended to be just enough to get things going enough so that I can do a reinstall of the main OS
1097[14:01:50] <ratrace> Delta706: in that case, if that's just a rescue OS, and if you don't plan to have a desktop there, if I were you, I'd give that 10GB, which would include a nice 4GB swapfile
1098[14:01:54] <pwnd_nsfw> Would it be too much to backup your home folder (and whatever other data) to a thumb and just reinstall?
1099[14:02:15] <ratrace> I installed Debian onto a USB stick for that purpose
1100[14:02:26] <ratrace> (which reminds me, I hafta upgrade that to 10.4)
1103[14:02:53] <pwnd_nsfw> I took the "home folder in a different partition" route
1104[14:03:28] <ratrace> I use ZFS on LUKS containers, so I need full blown OS, with ZFS support, as a rescue disk. and I refuse to use stock Ubuntu live thingy for that :)
1105[14:03:38] <pwnd_nsfw> I intend to move this installation to an SSD when I'm more comfortable. Likely switching to Debian full time, and just having my windows install for games whenever the time comes
1106[14:04:11] <ratrace> I don't care about separate /home because I care about up to date backups. :) should I ever need to migrate, I'll have them backups too
1107[14:04:17] <pwnd_nsfw> USB3.x thumb drive is probably quicker than my old HDD lol
1108[14:04:40] <pwnd_nsfw> Nice :) I have no idea what I'm doing still so I enjoy this convo
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1127[14:17:40] <thomassgn> ok, but I'll just need basic system installed on a usb flash. It'll be connected to network and have space for installing to the flash disk...
1131[14:24:39] <pwnd_nsfw> Yeah, just download the first iso and put on your flash
1132[14:24:46] <thomassgn> cool
1133[14:25:00] <pwnd_nsfw> in the installation process there's an option that asks if you'd like to use the internet to install up to date packages 'n such
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1140[14:33:47] <brutser> i got mousepad installed on debian, what is the correct way to add a menu so i can right click a file and open it with mousepad, but as sudo user, so with root priviledges?
1144[14:35:13] <ksk> brutser: that depends on if mouseclick has support for state of the art "we do root in GUI"-foo :x
1145[14:36:20] <brutser> ksk: ok, so how do i go about that? ;P
1146[14:36:38] <ksk> all the faqtoids seem to be heavily outdated, and mentions gksu and the likes. As far as I know they stopped finnally working in buster, and the replacement is "Policykit" (again, If I remember correctly..)
1147[14:36:56] <ksk> so your app either supports that, or not - Rather not if the app is old and unmantained.
1148[14:36:59] <brutser> well that is reason why i came here yes, all seem to use that gksu
1149[14:37:07] <ksk> brutser: use a non grahical editor like any good hacker :X
1150[14:38:05] <ksk> brutser: might be others have better solutions, feel free to stay a while (and listen)
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1178[15:04:11] <oxek> How can I make xarchiver add an option to 'Extract to <new directory based on the filename of the archive>' to the context menu? So that it behaves like 7zip on windows. Running debian 10 xfce.
1184[15:07:39] <ksk> oxek: the first question would be: can you make that happen in the first place (like, on the commandline?). And if you can, what are your problems transfering that to "context menu"
1185[15:08:18] <ksk> spoiler: from your wording I assume that this is would be a change to your debian system, resulting in "you can do that" - but nobody else that just has that archive..
1190[15:12:00] <oxek> I can create a commandline command that does what I want, and then I need to find out how to add such a command to the context menu
1191[15:12:10] <ksk> Yes, thats what I wanted to say :)
1192[15:12:17] <oxek> which is something I need to look up if it is even possible in Thunar/xfce
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1194[15:12:44] <ksk> (imho: not without a helper script, as you need a scripting language to do that)
1196[15:13:18] <ksk> oxek: would adding a "base directory" to that archive not be the easier way btw? :D
1197[15:13:30] <oxek> surely I can't be the first one asking for such a feature? I hate it when extracting an archive creates hundreds of files in the current directory instead of extracting them into a new directory
1200[15:13:52] <ksk> like, when you issue a new release, you know how its called. put all the files in a directory "release1.0" zip that, name the zip "release1.0.zip" - voila!
1201[15:13:56] <ksk> ah okay :/
1202[15:14:17] <oxek> yeah all archives I create have a directory in them, but this is for random archives I download
1203[15:14:21] <ksk> oxek: that is basic tar behaviour Im afraid.
1204[15:14:40] <ksk> because of that I always create an extra dir, move the archive there, and then extract to be on the safe side :X
1205[15:15:08] <oxek> feels like those extra steps should not be necessary in an ideal world where apps do what we want them to do
1242[15:39:36] <greycat> piezoid: What's the *whole* error message? Also, is the process that's generating the error running in any kind of chroot/container?
1265[15:48:35] <piezoid> greycat: I'm so desperate that I have "chmod a+rwx /var/replaced-url
1266[15:48:57] <greycat> OK, *this* time it worked... what the hell did I do wrong last time, accidentally type some garbage character by fat-fingering?
1267[15:49:14] <greycat> piezoid: jesus CHRIST, what ?!@?!?
1275[15:50:33] <greycat> (Good news, I get to stop driving myself insane trying to find the debian source URL so I can inspect the systemd unit file and look for restrictions and then ask them about whether they symlinked something to a nonstandard location...)
1279[15:52:53] <piezoid> greycat: What's the problem ? It is expected that I try everything before coming here to ask about dumb permissions problem, right ?
1307[16:06:29] <jmcnaught> laughingtiger: if you're using SPICE you can enable virgl (GL acceleration for VMs). You can do it in virt-manager if you use libvirt, this page (Ctrl-F virgl because I couldn't get anchor link to work): replaced-url
1332[16:14:34] <Haohmaru> imagine if you had to download some fishy driver.rar from rapidshare
1333[16:14:40] <Haohmaru> x_x
1334[16:14:49] <jmcnaught> laughingtiger: if you're serious about getting GPU acceleration inside a Windows VM look into PCI passthough or VFIO/IOMMU. I do that with a second video card for the Windows VM, but there are some people with single GPU set ups.
1335[16:15:25] <laughingtiger> jmcnaught, oh pci passthrough makes my head aches.
1340[16:16:25] <_Fremen_> I am using Debian testing KDE with Firefox ESR. I started having problems with online classes with sharing microphone, camera or screen sharing, none of them works and I cannot see or hear the same things from other people. This started today morning. What should I do?
1341[16:16:39] <jmcnaught> laughingtiger: It's pretty easy to set up in Debian 10 if your hardware cooperates.
1343[16:17:15] <laughingtiger> I'm afraid that spice was the only workable way for my infamous intel-nvidia hybrid bumblebee/optimus system.
1344[16:17:19] <annadane> _Fremen_, /join #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
1345[16:17:46] <Haohmaru> is he testing KDE or using debian-testing?
1346[16:18:06] <annadane> oh, good point
1347[16:18:18] <annadane> if you're on stable, here's the right place to ask; if testing, then the channel i mentioned
1348[16:18:29] <laughingtiger> jmcnaught, based on what I've searched, the optimus system has a low succession rate for the pass through to work, isn't it?
1359[16:22:35] <laughingtiger> jmcnaught, thank you so much.
1360[16:22:41] <teclo-> hmmm I was like "hey there's no sound" but I found out I had to set the audio input to pulseaudio and the webcam's internal microphone
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1404[16:33:35] <Gentilhomme> Steam games stopped working and I can't even start the app yet anymore. GPU doesnt get recognized by some software, nvidia-smi outputs "Failed to initialize NVML: Driver/library version mismatch"
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1416[16:36:53] <CrystalMath> ksk: linux-image-rt's source is the same as linux-image, there's no PREEMPT_RT patch there as far as i can see
1417[16:37:01] <CrystalMath> ksk: i've been asking about it for years
1418[16:37:06] <CrystalMath> ksk: since i want to build my own RT kernel
1419[16:37:33] <annadane> Gentilhomme, yeah maybe. btw if you install the needrestart package it can tell you after updates what needs to be restarted
1420[16:37:36] <CrystalMath> ksk: at this point i'm considering reporting a GPL violation to the linux foundation, maybe then someone will tell me where the patch is
1421[16:37:51] <CrystalMath> ksk: i don't really think debian is doing something evil
1422[16:37:56] <CrystalMath> ksk: i just can't find it and no one will help me
1423[16:37:58] <ksk> Why should they, Linux Foundation is not Debian.
1424[16:38:01] <Gentilhomme> annadane cool! i'm going to install this. I hate restarting.
1425[16:38:09] <CrystalMath> ksk: yes but debian is distributing linux without the source code
1426[16:38:20] <annadane> Gentilhomme, yeah you for sure don't need to reboot after every single update
1430[16:38:45] <brutser> if i copy some text from a text editor, then close the text editor and try to paste the text, it's gone (aaaand, it's gone!) - for this you need a clipboard manager, i get that - but why do clipboard managers like clipit, diodon, save things you copied many times over? if i copied my super secret password for whatever reason, and i don't clear the
1431[16:38:45] <brutser> clipboard manager, it stays there even if copy something else after.
1433[16:39:18] <CrystalMath> ksk: and i get the same source as for linux-image...
1434[16:39:19] <brutser> is there the most basic clipboard manager who just copy whatever you have in memory at that time and release that as soon as you copy something else?
1435[16:39:53] <CrystalMath> Picking 'linux-latest' as source package instead of 'linux-image-rt-amd64'
1436[16:40:07] <CrystalMath> Picking 'linux-latest' as source package instead of 'linux-image-amd64'
1440[16:40:53] <greycat> brutser: you're probably making it more complicated than it needs to be. Can't you paste the selected text *before* you close the original document? Or just open a scratch terminal, paste the content there, highlight it there, then close the original?
1441[16:41:21] <brutser> greycat: you mean that way i can live without a clipboard manager?
1442[16:41:24] <brutser> yes i thought about that too
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1445[16:42:12] <ksk> CrystalMath: which sounds normal to me, I would assume all kernels use the same source, but use for example different options for compilaton..
1454[16:43:13] <ksk> I dont think debian has to provide a patch. it has to provide the kernel in source souce.
1455[16:43:20] <ksk> not that law is on-topic in here :X
1456[16:43:42] <CrystalMath> ksk: so you're literally trying to suggest they get to add code which they don't provide? bullcrap
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1458[16:43:58] <greycat> brutser: yes, I use xclip a lot.
1459[16:44:46] <teclo-> what the f*** ??? Do I have to create a M*crosoft account in order to use Skype ???
1460[16:44:53] <CrystalMath> ksk: from the GPL version 2: The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it. For an executable work, complete source code means all the source code for all modules it contains, plus any associated interface definition files, plus the scripts used to control compilation and installation of the executable.
1461[16:45:01] <greycat> Skype is proprietary crapware, so who knows. Maybe.
1462[16:45:31] <CrystalMath> ksk: and "find the patch elsewhere is not an option" see section 3a, 3b, and 3c
1463[16:46:09] <Gentilhomme> teclo- yes
1464[16:46:10] <RadoS> teclo-, how do you want to use it?
1466[16:46:37] <teclo-> RadoS: well I don't want to create a M*crosoft account !
1467[16:47:25] <RadoS> teclo-, with a linux-client? How to identify you without an account?
1468[16:47:27] <Delta706> I am considering using resize2fs to reduce the size of a filing system and I found no information in the man page on whether it was written with power failure in mind. Is it safe? Is there an alternative I should consider?
1474[16:48:14] <rainbowtux> hi all, does anybody know how to get iptables TRACE working with buster? Works on older setups, and other distros but not on buster
1475[16:48:22] <rainbowtux> using nf_log_ipv4
1476[16:48:31] <CrystalMath> i think it's ridiculous that i have to accuse debian of a GPL violation in order to get their PREEMPT_RT patch
1477[16:49:01] <CrystalMath> or, rather, the path to it, since i believe it is in the source package
1494[16:53:33] <greycat> So you used a config file that had the RT(?) options turned on, and "make oldconfig" barfed on it? Or what? What did you actually do to determine that the code was not as you expected?
1495[16:53:59] <CrystalMath> there is no CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT_BASE for example
1496[16:54:04] <CrystalMath> in the source
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1506[16:55:27] <greycat> OK, this is above my experience level. I suggest you use a mailing list where people who actually know this stuff will have the time to help you properly.
1510[16:56:10] <Haohmaru> i only found this: replaced-url
1511[16:56:31] <Haohmaru> "Debian provides the Linux kernel with an applied PREEMPT_RT patch. For example, to install the amd64 version: # aptitude install linux-image-rt-amd64"
1512[16:56:41] <CrystalMath> Haohmaru: but not the source code!
1516[16:57:11] <ksk> CrystalMath: it seems nobody in here knows the answer to your question. Please refer to other methods of communication to get what you want.
1517[16:57:15] <Haohmaru> maybe they forgot it
1518[16:57:23] <greycat> IRC is not well suited to big, long, laborious problems. Use mailing lists for these. Or, file a bug as annadane suggested. Which by the way is mail-based.
1523[16:59:26] <jla44> I have been using Debian for some time, but i am wondering isf i am using the "best" desktop gui! any recommendations?
1524[16:59:33] <greycat> !best
1525[16:59:33] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
1526[16:59:51] <greycat> "Best" is whatever you prefer.
1527[17:00:02] <ratrace> jla44: seen the "best distro" clikbait on slashdot?
1528[17:00:24] <CrystalMath> my grep through the whole source is still running :P
1529[17:00:27] <CrystalMath> and it may not work
1530[17:00:29] <Haohmaru> they are all "best", but some are bester
1531[17:00:32] <CrystalMath> since the patch could be xz'd
1532[17:00:32] <ratrace> best *desktop (sozz)
1533[17:00:33] <annadane> jla44, xfce is simple and unobtrusive
1534[17:00:42] <annadane> see if you like it, if you don't, you can choose something else
1544[17:02:35] <CrystalMath> it was actually in the root of my directory tree for working with this
1545[17:02:37] <CrystalMath> heh
1546[17:02:39] <jla44> gui - currently Cinnamone(sp?). I have tried kde but I found it to be overcomplicated for my use, gramps, some bash programming, looking to learn pythonn, have programmed in c++ (not for some time however)
1547[17:02:57] <annadane> Cinnamon is the spelling
1548[17:03:05] <CrystalMath> Haohmaru: i was looking for this for months
1549[17:03:10] <annadane> but yeah for simplicity you can't really go wrong with xfce
1550[17:03:10] <Haohmaru> jla44 try LXDE or xfce maybe
1596[17:16:38] <rainbowtux> hi all, does anybody know how to get iptables TRACE working with buster? Works on older setups, and other distros but not on buster
1623[17:33:55] <graphicsv> Is there a way to really make KWallet store your SSH password? I'm really tired of typing that thing all the time several times each time I want to push something. Please help me
1690[18:17:04] <b1ack0p> but 1 laptops measures 2mbps other 8mbps
1691[18:17:11] <b1ack0p> why different?
1692[18:17:30] <b1ack0p> this keeps disconnecting
1693[18:17:35] <b1ack0p> other didnt disconnect yet
1694[18:17:58] <gcosmin> Hi .. I am trying to install tomcat and the first step after installing default-jdk ...it would be to add a tomcat user .. but groupadd command is not found. How I can sort it out ?
1695[18:17:59] <b1ack0p> i wanna try to find out if there is a hardware problem or something else
1696[18:18:01] <bomb> were both tests done with the same speedtest server?
1697[18:18:14] <b1ack0p> bomb: i used speedtest-cli on both machines
1698[18:18:19] <b1ack0p> they are both running debian10
1787[19:05:04] <lilith93> Hi all, I have an issue with synaptic in Debian 10. It looks I'm missing some tabs (e.g. for third party software) in the repositories of synaptic: replaced-url
1788[19:05:37] <greycat> are you trying to run it as root?
1835[19:26:36] <greycat> genghiz: also, please do not ask a yes/no question and then ask a *different* yes/no question right after it, because then you don't know which one of your questions was just answered.
1844[19:30:57] <genghiz> So an issue I came across is that znc doesn't work properly if the openssl binary is not present on the system. It is unable to perform PKI validation. It's an edge case for sure, because it depends on ca-certificates which depends on openssl and so ought to be present in a sane system. Would this be considered a bug?
1849[19:32:43] <genghiz> Hmm. So a packaging bug worth filing?
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1851[19:32:58] <sketchy_henry> Hi all, just a question regarding nftables. Just installed debian and wondering whether I'll need to remove iptables and install nftables, or whether there is already built in support?
1871[19:34:30] <sney> sketchy_henry: if you want to use nftables to manage your kernel firewall, you need to install the nftables package. but right now both are available so it is up to you.
1872[19:34:48] <genghiz> bomb I think most distros are in the process of migrating anyway
1873[19:34:49] <sney> genghiz: yeah I saw the first few lines. in the future please paste to replaced-url
1877[19:35:32] <bomb> genghiz: I should have said "other unix-like OSes", not distros :>
1878[19:35:34] <sketchy_henry> bomb: Thanks
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1880[19:35:40] <sponix> sney: just as a note. I recently had to revert to iptables legacy with the alternatives command because fail2ban could not negotiate adding to the banlist until I did so
1881[19:35:57] <genghiz> bomb That ought be incorrect, right? IPTables is linux only. :)
1883[19:36:07] <genghiz> The BSDs use pf in general
1884[19:36:23] <sney> genghiz: anyway, I see it depends on libssl1.1 so maybe the maintainer thought that would be enough for ssl support in znc? I would file that bug
1885[19:36:25] <genghiz> The syntax is very different as compared to iptables
1888[19:36:48] <sney> sponix: interesting. fun with software transitions lol
1889[19:37:19] <sney> bomb: indeed, netfilter is linux-only, you won't find it in anything unix-like unless it uses the linux kernel
1890[19:37:23] <sketchy_henry> sney: Thanks
1891[19:37:29] <sney> (I guess that theoretically includes android? I wonder)
1892[19:37:33] <sponix> sney: Yeah, I am sure with more research and work put in -- it _can_ be done. But I just didn't have the time/energy so that method was for me
1893[19:37:35] <bomb> genghiz: right that was pf lol
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1896[19:38:50] <sponix> sney: I was just surprised that out of the box on Buster it would detect, but could not actually take action to ban. I was setting there with a false sense of security for longer than I'd like to admit
1897[19:39:19] <sney> parsing logs is easier than adding rules, I guess.
1919[19:46:04] <greycat> aptitude why is telling me that I have iptables installed because of netscript-2.4, and netcript-2.4 because of ifupdown
1920[19:46:37] <greycat> or at least I think it's saying that... not like I can figure out what "p" means very easily
1921[19:47:51] <sney> p means you don't have it installed. I think it's p because of "purge"
1922[19:47:51] <sketchy_henry> ok, so iptables has nf_tables as its default backend, right? Is there any need to install nftables then?
1923[19:48:24] <sney> sketchy_henry: it's all part of a gradual transition. netfilter wants people to switch to nftables over iptables. in order for this transition to be smooth, both are available.
1924[19:48:24] <greycat> 9 paragraphs in the "why" section of the man page, and not a single one explains what the single-letter codes mean
1925[19:48:48] <sponix> greycat: figures
1926[19:48:49] <greycat> sney: that's definitely not correct, because I *do* have it installed according to dpkg -l
1927[19:49:00] <greycat> ii iptables 1.8.2-4 amd64 administration tools for packet filtering and NAT
1929[19:49:06] <greycat> p netscript-2.4 Provides ifupdown
1930[19:49:06] <greycat> p netscript-2.4 Depends iptables
1931[19:49:11] <sketchy_henry> sney: Ahh, thanks for clearing that up
1932[19:49:13] <sponix> greycat: "ii" is installed for sure and "p" is provides I think
1933[19:49:24] <greycat> sponix: that's in dpkg -l. I'm talking about aptitude why.
1934[19:49:51] <sponix> greycat: I know nothing of aptitude, seriously
1935[19:49:53] <sney> sketchy_henry: regardless, they both do the same thing (control the kernel firewall) so it's just a question of which syntax you're used to, whether you're starting from 0 with no firewall, if you need fail2ban, etc
1936[19:50:12] <sney> greycat: is netscript-2.4 installed? aiui the letter code refers to the first package on that line
1939[19:51:07] <sney> if aptitude why doesn't know why you installed iptables, you probably just directly installed iptables. no?
1940[19:51:08] <greycat> maybe aptitude why is simply *broken* ... that would explain a lot
1941[19:51:32] <sketchy_henry> sney: Thanks again :)
1942[19:51:38] <sney> np
1943[19:51:52] <greycat> "apt-get -s remove iptables" would simply remove it, so there're no hard dependencies, but that doesn't rule out recommends/suggests
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1949[19:55:28] <brutser> sometimes i am browsing files in pcmanfm and I want to open a file with mousepad, but then it turns out i need root or sudo, so then i will need to open terminal to get it all done - is there a way so i can pu like "open with mousepad as sudo user" when i right click the file?
1963[20:05:16] <ksk> genghiz: gksu is not in buster (was removed, it is totally not a nice thing to "Just run an X-app as root")
1964[20:05:47] <genghiz> Oh wow.
1965[20:05:51] <brutser> ksk: so you suggest i never allow that, only from the terminal?
1966[20:06:18] <ksk> like, I would expect the "real desktops" to a) integrate policykit and b) have choosen an graphical editor as default, which also supports that
1969[20:06:59] <brutser> ksk: well that is my point, that's not done by default
1970[20:07:03] <jmcnaught> There's a nautilus-admin plugin that says it can open files in gedit as root but I haven't tried it, and it's a different file manager.
1971[20:07:15] <ksk> I see this basicly this question asked in here sometimes, but nobody really has a nice solution as far as I know :(
1972[20:07:16] <brutser> sometimes it is more convenient for me to use mousepad, just because i was browsing anyway instead of using the terminal
1973[20:08:09] <brutser> ksk: and if i make a desktop, like mousepad2.desktop - that opens mousepad with sudo and i put mousepad in the sudoers file that can be opened for a sudo user without a password?
1980[20:11:09] <greycat> I don't even pretend to guess what GNOME's motives are at this point. It's sure as hell not "making the user experience better".
1983[20:11:23] <ksk> brutser: I just found a german forum post stating that you could create a policy for mousepad in policykit. I am totally unaware of the implications though.
1986[20:12:31] <dpkg> PolicyKit or polkit is a Gnome-inspired permission control framework, implemented in javascript and/or [XXX]XML Its configuration files will be found in many more directories than described in any single documentation. Start with man 8 polkit
1991[20:16:49] <sponix> brutser: I have my system setup to never require a password for sudo or policykit admin access ... It required a simple google search or two. And no, it isn't something I will cover :)
1992[20:17:04] <f-a> hello, I have `xmodmap -e "keysym Caps_Lock = Multi_key"` to get a compose key where the caps lock is
2018[20:36:32] <brutser> sponix: ok, so i made mousepad2.desktop with name mousepad (sudo), then edited /etc/sudoers and added /usr/bin/mousepad allowed for current user without password - then added mousepad (sudo) to right click, it opens the desired file with mousepad as sudo, so far so good, but it's confusing me with the mouse pointer, which says the application is
2019[20:36:33] <brutser> busy for ~20 seconds, then the little indicator disappears..
2024[20:39:33] <brutser> i just checked, there is no differences in tasks running if i open the file from pcmanfm, or when i open it from terminal with sudo mousepad /path/file
2025[20:40:15] <brutser> so that mouse pointer is for some reason assuming there is something done in the background on which it wants to wait or something, while nothing is happening
2041[20:57:21] <graphicsv> greycat: I just want something to keep my password so I don't have to type it again. I'm also trying to stay away from gnome-keyring. Not sure why KWallet doesn't work as well as gnome-keyring :(
2042[20:58:34] <greycat> Those of us who do not use a desktop environment simply put a command like eval "$(ssh-agent -s)"; ssh-add in our ~/.xsession or similar file.
2053[21:02:26] <dokma> I have installed Debian 16 years ago on my personal machine and never reinstalled it. Still working on that same installation. Anyone had similar experience?
2055[21:02:45] <ratrace> greycat: not even that is required. I use i3-wm and upon simple login I only ssh-add once, and it's done. also, ssh-add will require passphraes, so it's not suitable for non-interactive use, unless you don't put a passphrase on your privkey
2056[21:03:45] <dokma> Every single piece of hardware was upgraded but the installation is still the same.
2057[21:03:54] <greycat> Well yes, you have to type the passphrase when you ssh-add. That's just normal.
2059[21:05:00] <ratrace> dokma: you're running 16 year old debian?
2060[21:05:28] <greycat> pretty sure they mean "installed in 2004, dist-upgraded repeatedly"
2061[21:06:14] <ratrace> weird way to put it then :)
2062[21:07:15] <dokma> ratrace: been upgrading the whole time. But it has been installed for the first time 16 years ago. Never reinstalled.
2063[21:07:51] <dokma> That's more than a third of my entire life!
2064[21:08:09] <greycat> I'd say that's not extremely rare, but most people probably replace their machines more often than that, either because the hardware dies, or because they want a faster machine.
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2066[21:08:40] <ratrace> dokma: 16yr old disks too, or did you rsync/dd/whatever that installation across drives?
2067[21:08:42] <dokma> greycat: all the hardware has been upgraded. When I would replace the disk I would just dd over to the new one.
2068[21:08:59] <dokma> And resize my partitions obviously.
2074[21:10:53] <dokma> maybe I expressed my self wrongly, but from my reckoning I did infact install debian 16 years ago.
2075[21:11:02] <dokma> and never reinstalled.
2076[21:11:09] <dokma> dvs: I don't even have that file...
2077[21:11:38] <dvs> dokma, probably got deleted long time ago.
2078[21:12:10] <dokma> but I do have ppp-connect-errors.1.gz
2079[21:12:12] <dokma> :D
2080[21:12:16] <greycat> either the installer stopped creating it, or it was something you did
2081[21:12:23] <ratrace> dvs: Jan 10th.... was that one of those post-intoxication NY resolutions or "Dummm, Imma bored. HEy, let's install Debian!" :)
2082[21:12:59] <dokma> I think this one is from the installation: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1260 Oct 28 2004 ucf.conf
2083[21:13:48] <dvs> ratrace, Hmmm... I don't remember. That was probably a reinstall.
2084[21:13:56] <ratrace> I always reinstall. Since installation from scratch is not producing indentical OS as dist-upgrade would, esp. for Buster wrt usr-merge.... my OCD would never stand it.
2106[21:23:09] <dokma> ratrace: I didn't start using it back when I first installed from floppies. I reverted to Saurons product for a while but came to the light in 2004 fully.
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2108[21:24:01] <ratrace> and by Sauron's product you mean One Window to Rule them All?
2137[21:49:10] <oxek> I want to virtualize some machines. On windows I used virtualbox but it's not available for debian. What alternative should I use? I like nice GUI apps.
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2139[21:49:33] <oxek> I am very confused about the distinction between qemu, kvm, virt-manager, libvirt, etc.
2171[22:06:28] <SerajewelKS> i've tried using kexec to reboot a server (kexec -l --reuse-cmdline --initrd /boot/initrd... /boot/vmlinuz... && systemctl kexec) and it works on the first reboot (system comes back up) but on the second it does not and hangs indefinitely. this is on an AWS EC2 server. has anyone else experienced this kind of weirdness with kexec?
2179[22:10:00] <sney> oxek: gnome-boxes is pretty good, it has basically the same functionality as virtualbox but it just uses libvirt/qemu under the hood
2180[22:10:41] <oxek> sney: I saw gnome-boxes, that installs just the UI. I still don't know which packages I need to get the actual virtual machine.
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2196[22:14:35] <sney> I guess some people might spin up qemu manually but that seems like extra work for no benefit.
2197[22:14:52] <annadane> yeah if you've memorized the 900,000 options
2198[22:14:53] <sney> virtualizing in production is an entirely different animal
2199[22:15:43] <annadane> although if you do know what you need and understand how to make a vm using just qemu then all the power to you, installing virt-manager on my machine is like 107 packages
2200[22:15:53] <annadane> dependency hell vs 900,000 options, your choice
2202[22:16:38] * sney is a big fan of SmartOS when it comes to virtualizing in production. But that's not debian or even linux. It supports debian as lx or kvm guests very well, at least.
2203[22:16:44] <miskatonic> so virtual boxes require a desktop environment?
2204[22:16:55] <annadane> i can't virtualize anyway, my pc is far too slow
2205[22:17:03] <oxek> annadane: gnome-boxes 71 packages, virt-manager 72 packages. Is that bad?
2206[22:17:10] <sponix2ipfw> miskatonic: you could start them as headless sessions with the vbox manager
2207[22:17:37] <sney> oxek: a lot of small libraries are packaged separately, so looking at the number of packages is pretty meaningless most of the time
2208[22:17:46] <sponix2ipfw> annadane: you should borrow mine :)
2209[22:18:00] <sney> annadane: I'm sure you could, just slowly :D
2220[22:20:37] <jhutchins> oxek: also /msg dpkg virtualization
2221[22:20:38] <sney> graphicsv: unfortunately, oracle refuses to help the debian maintainer keep stable versions of virtualbox supported with security patches, so virtualbox doesn't qualify for debian stable anymore
2226[22:22:17] <graphicsv> sney: That's what I respect about Debian. I've used many distros in my life, but Debian is and I think will always be the best. It just works. I've never had an update to break my installation EVER. Unless when I use weird packages from outside debian repo
2227[22:22:36] <graphicsv> My wife's pregnant and I wonder if my son/daughter will be a Linux or Windows user
2228[22:22:41] <graphicsv> Or even macOS
2229[22:23:10] <annadane> you don't have to use debian's packages, there's nothing stopping you from downloading virtualbox
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2231[22:23:46] <bomb> graphicsv: don't buy him a Mac or Windows-license, problem solved
2232[22:24:28] <miskatonic> what if he becomes an openbsd user?
2233[22:24:52] <jukebohi> What if he starts to use Darwin
2234[22:25:09] <jukebohi> which is some BSD
2235[22:25:14] <oxek> somehow running `apt install qemu` installs one package... and `apt show qemu` tells me it can be safely removed
2247[22:27:01] <pwnd_nsfw> are you trippin' real hard?
2248[22:27:02] <oxek> `apt shoe` should be a command. I wonder what it should do.
2249[22:27:02] <jukebohi> too bad the Linux is split into 501 flavors
2250[22:27:07] <oxek> Psil0Cybin: the dragons are not real
2251[22:27:07] <Psil0Cybin> I ran a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade on debian 10, and it seems to have caused a black screen with a blinking cursor
2252[22:27:11] <pwnd_nsfw> oxek, lmao
2253[22:27:35] <pwnd_nsfw> I had that before I messed with my nvidia drivers
2254[22:27:36] <Psil0Cybin> when I restart, I cannot get back into my system as it says Kernel Module Failed and than it gos down a list of a bunch of stuff that passed and than last Nvidia Failed
2255[22:27:46] <Psil0Cybin> and tha nit goes back to just a blackscren and cursor
2256[22:27:49] <Psil0Cybin> how can i fix this?
2257[22:28:18] <sney> Psil0Cybin: sounds like the nvidia module didn't build for the new kernel. install the headers and that should trigger the build
2258[22:28:41] <Psil0Cybin> how do i go about doing that? launch in recovery mode and run what command>
2259[22:29:08] <jhutchins> Psil0Cybin: Try switching to a console, or boot in rescue mode. You probably need to do a full-upgrade, and possibly re-install the nvidia drivers if you installed from their own builds.
2260[22:29:09] <greycat> It's really weird that you'd get a new kernel with "apt-get upgrade", since that just gives you the "kept back" message for new packages.
2261[22:29:17] <graphicsv> jukebohi: There's no distro as the Debian distro. Period
2262[22:29:42] <Psil0Cybin> hello jhutchins i am booting into rescue mode as we speak
2263[22:29:43] <jukebohi> graphicsv: I love it for servers. Such stability.
2264[22:29:53] <Psil0Cybin> it says give root passsord for maintance or press control d to continue
2265[22:30:06] <greycat> that's the single-user-mode prompt
2266[22:30:17] <Psil0Cybin> okay what do I do after I login as root?
2267[22:30:22] <Psil0Cybin> jhutchins: ?
2268[22:30:28] <graphicsv> jukebohi: For developing software it seems like a good idea as well because your software will work on recent machines and you won't develop your stuff on top of some weird bugs introduced by new versions. Debian is the answer
2275[22:31:32] <Psil0Cybin> Debian 10 and it seems that it installed nvidia-vulkan-icd amd 64 418.113-1
2276[22:31:47] <jhutchins> Psil0Cybin: Do "full-install", and possibly apt -f install
2277[22:31:51] <Psil0Cybin> as its right now hanging on building initial module for 4.19.0.8-amd-64
2278[22:31:56] <Psil0Cybin> okay
2279[22:32:00] <Psil0Cybin> will try that now and report back
2280[22:32:10] <jhutchins> Psil0Cybin: Ah, well give it time to build.
2281[22:32:24] <greycat> I'm guessing they're lying about the exact commands they ran. They probably ran "apt upgrade" or "apt-get dist-upgrade" and got a new kernel, and didn't grab the matching headers yet.
2282[22:32:25] <jhutchins> Psil0Cybin: Sounds like you have a proper dkms install.
2283[22:32:51] <miskatonic> if he's logged in as root, why the sudo?
2284[22:32:57] <Psil0Cybin> okay actually jhutchins i now get a screen tht says
2286[22:33:19] <Psil0Cybin> the nvidia driver that is being installed version 390.132 does not match the nvidia kernel module currently loaded version 419.113
2287[22:33:37] <Psil0Cybin> the X Server open GL and GPGPU applications may not work properly
2299[22:36:48] <Psil0Cybin> but it works for the regular apt-get update && apt-get upgrade so i seem ot not be able to run apt-get dist-upgrade
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2301[22:36:59] <jhutchins> Interesting.
2302[22:37:20] <Psil0Cybin> it says unable to fetch some archives maybe run apt-get update or try with -f-fix-mossing and i tried those but again i cannot do a dist-upgrade
2303[22:37:52] <jhutchins> Psil0Cybin: Pastebin your sources.liist (and anything in sources.list.d
2304[22:37:53] <sney> network probably not up in recovery mode
2305[22:38:16] <Psil0Cybin> source list is located in /etc/sources.list?
2339[22:42:45] <dpkg> Debian mirrors have timestamp files we use to determine how recently they have been updated. Here are some statistics the mirror maintainers provide: replaced-url
2340[22:42:52] <greycat> first step with a mirror issue is "wait a minute and try again"
2341[22:43:22] <sney> ftp.ca is fine, I just used it
2342[22:43:26] <Psil0Cybin> yea
2343[22:43:30] <Psil0Cybin> so what is going on :'(
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2386[22:56:54] <ajayahmed> hi. i want to backup 16 vps in various countries to a storage dedicated server in france with an atom processor. i will use restic for backups but i'm wondering what method is optimum in terms of CPU usage (network speed not important)? sftp? nfs? some other method?
2393[22:59:58] <ajayahmed> the cpu's on the vps do, the destination doesn't. the backups will be encrypted before they reach the storage server so not sure if aes will matter on the storage server? restic on each server means i can do snapshots and restore easily (they're websites)
2437[23:30:31] <oxek> there does not seem to be a way of verifying that the image comes from debian. Are there any pgp-signed hashsums for the mini.iso?