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• 1[00:00:03] <a7s> if i choose install package maintainer's version, I can just do my own diff and replace what's missing from what i just pastebin'd right?
• 2[00:00:12] <dvs> yup
• 3[00:00:29] <somiaj> urxtnw: then do it that way
• 4[00:00:34] <tomreyn> a7s: yes, also the previous version is retained in .dpkg-old, i think
• 5[00:00:45] <tomreyn> or .ucf-old
• 6[00:00:48] <somiaj> urxtnw: I was just suggesting that you need to fix it to boot, the install should be done
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• 12[00:03:50] <urxtnw> I do (mount -t ext4 /dev/sda /target and it says invalid argument
• 13[00:04:05] <urxtnw> nvm it worked
• 14[00:04:10] <urxtnw> sda1 i typo
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• 17[00:06:09] <urxtnw> somiaj, this is "update-grub && grub-install /dev/sda"
• 18[00:06:15] <urxtnw> not /dev/sda1 correct?
• 19[00:07:54] <a7s> sooo basically once everything has been updated (apt update/upgrade), all i have to do is edit /etc/apt/sources.list and s/stretch/buster/g and run apt update/upgrade again?
• 20[00:08:00] <a7s> That gives me stretch>buster?
• 21[00:08:21] <somiaj> you better read the release notes first as said in the factoid
• 22[00:08:33] <jhutchins> !stretch->buster
• 23[00:08:43] <dvs> haw haw
• 24[00:08:43] <somiaj> in theory, yes you can just blindly doing that, but we suggest reading the upgrade notes to ensure you follow some best practices
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• 26[00:08:55] <jhutchins> !stretch -> buster
• 27[00:08:56] <somiaj> jhutchins: dpkg doesn't tigger with ! and -> anymore...:/
• 28[00:09:02] <somiaj> dpkg: stretch->buster
• 29[00:09:02] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
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• 31[00:09:28] <a7s> i did read that
• 32[00:09:35] <somiaj> then follow its advise
• 33[00:09:56] <a7s> right, so i'm just confirming, it's really that simple, that's it?
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• 35[00:10:36] <jhutchins> a7s: Not quite, there's one more step.
• 36[00:11:28] <a7s> there's one thing: "Don't forget to mount all needed partitions (notably the root and /usr partitions) read-write"
• 37[00:11:46] <a7s> how do I check whether those are currently mounted rw or not?
• 38[00:12:03] <a7s> mount has gotten so complicated in recent years and I don't even know how to read it anymore
• 39[00:12:04] <somiaj> some people use readonly systems, if this isn't your use case, then they are already mounted read-write
• 40[00:12:18] <somiaj> just look for 'rw' on the desired partitions
• 41[00:12:36] <a7s> I think systemd made a real mess of my 'mount' output
• 42[00:12:56] <somiaj> there are just a lot more tmpfs now, but just look for the lines you need
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• 45[00:13:23] <a7s> ./dev/sda on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered)
• 46[00:13:28] <a7s> (no /usr mount)
• 47[00:13:53] <a7s> I think that means it's currently rw right? not sure what "relatime" is
• 48[00:14:00] <somiaj> most people don't have a seprate /usr, some do
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• 50[00:15:28] <a7s> replaced-url
• 51[00:15:31] <a7s> what's this mean?
• 52[00:15:40] <Maizum> clear
• 53[00:16:11] <a7s> appstream cache issue? i'm guessing appstream is a systemd thing?
• 54[00:16:56] <jjakob> is there a separate package for just xterm-resize like fedora has?
• 55[00:17:24] <jjakob> I can't see it so it's probably in xterm
• 56[00:17:56] <urxtnw> somiaj, is 600MB enough for an EFI partition?
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• 58[00:18:27] <somiaj> way more than enough, in most cases you should only have 3-4 kernels installed which take 50megs each
• 59[00:18:49] <somiaj> oh wayt sorry, I'm thinking /boot
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• 61[00:18:55] <somiaj> yea 600megs iw ay more than enough
• 62[00:19:16] <urxtnw> thank you, I'm redoing everything with EFI
• 63[00:19:19] <somiaj> my efi here is 40megs being used
• 64[00:19:34] <somiaj> though if you want to dual/tripple boot, you need enough space in efi for that
• 65[00:19:44] <urxtnw> yeah im triple booting
• 66[00:19:45] <a7s> why do you need more than one kernel?
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• 68[00:21:15] <somiaj> a7s: in debian you need room for 3, debian keeps the current kernel, and one old kernel (This way if a kernel upgrade braeks your system you can boot the old one)
• 69[00:21:36] <somiaj> but this means during upgrades you'll have three kernels installed and one needs to be autoremoved
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• 71[00:22:11] <somiaj> kernels breaking are far far less common than they use to be, but still nice to keep at least one old kernel around
• 72[00:22:44] <urxtnw> yeah this fail safe system helped me in the past
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• 75[00:22:57] <a7s> uhm..
• 76[00:23:06] <a7s> so upgrading to buster and it's asking me about minissdp?
• 77[00:23:08] <somiaj> but I confused efi eith /boot, efi dosn't hold kernels, just boot info
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• 79[00:23:29] <a7s> I have no idea what that is, but it says no default configuration can be provided, i hit ok, and now it's asking me whether i want to start the MiniSSDP daemon automatically
• 80[00:23:33] <a7s> do I need this on a server?
• 81[00:23:50] <a7s> I don't think a server uses any kind of upnp does it?
• 82[00:24:13] <urxtnw> somiaj, it worked! I swear I think I know what I did wrong. I installed the BIOS version and didnt make that BIOS partition
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• 85[00:24:34] <urxtnw> somiaj, regardless, I wiped everything and installed in UEFi, forced bios to use UEFI and wit works!
• 86[00:24:39] <somiaj> there is no BIOS partition, on the mbr, there is a hidden boot sector on each partiion
• 87[00:24:49] <urxtnw> somiaj, thank you so so much, I have no words
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• 89[00:24:58] <urxtnw> somiaj, yeah for some reason it wasnt working
• 90[00:24:59] * SunRaycer has gotten himself into a bit of a pickle...
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• 92[00:25:55] <SunRaycer> while doing an apt upgrade, I ran out of space on / /usr and /var, so I deleted the lvm for swap since I haven't been using it, and gave each of them more space.
• 93[00:26:22] <SunRaycer> sorry, deleted the lv for swap since it was smaller than RAM.
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• 96[00:26:59] <SunRaycer> when running "dpkg --configure initramfs-tools", I got:
• 97[00:27:01] <SunRaycer> pigz: abort: write error on <stdout> (No space left on device)
• 98[00:27:15] <SunRaycer> E: mkinitramfs failure cpio 141 pigz 28
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• 100[00:28:04] <SunRaycer> dumb question... which device ran out of space?
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• 103[00:29:48] <SunRaycer> /boot?
• 104[00:30:13] <somiaj> SunRaycer: why not just see what device is full, with df -h
• 105[00:30:20] <somiaj> but yes, initramfs is stored in /boot
• 106[00:30:25] <SunRaycer> somiaj: none are full
• 107[00:30:41] <somiaj> SunRaycer: what is the output of 'df -h' at paste.debian.net
• 108[00:30:48] <SunRaycer> (well, except for nfs mounts)
• 109[00:33:26] <somiaj> note /boot could be small enough that though it isn't full, there isn't enough room for the initrd.img which could take 50megs or so depending on what you put in it
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• 112[00:34:41] <SunRaycer> uh, paste will be awkward at the moment... I'll trim and post here...
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• 115[00:35:38] <SunRaycer> ok, that is likely it... only 34M left in /boot...
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• 120[00:37:33] <SunRaycer> initrd has doubled since the current kernel
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• 122[00:38:59] <somiaj> it can vary depending on your options and what you put inside of it
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• 124[00:39:05] <somiaj> though on buster, mine seem to be about 35Megs
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• 126[00:39:21] <somiaj> well 32/33
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• 151[01:09:18] <a7s> is it just me or is debian getting a little heavy around the waistline?
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• 153[01:10:14] <a7s> I've been running this upgrade for an hour now and it's about 60% done
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• 155[01:11:00] <annadane> how much are you upgrading?
• 156[01:11:09] <a7s> stretch>buster
• 157[01:11:39] <a7s> I don't remember debian ever containing quite this many packages for a basic install
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• 161[01:17:44] <annadane> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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• 163[01:17:56] <dvs> !blame debian
• 164[01:17:56] * dpkg blames mehmedbasic and debian for all the evil in the world
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• 166[01:19:19] <SomethingGeneric> !blame suse
• 167[01:19:20] * dpkg blames meltingwax and suse for all the evil in the world
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• 172[01:26:28] <dvs> !buster
• 173[01:26:28] <dpkg> Buster is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 10, released 2019-07-06. "Buster" is Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story, see replaced-url
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• 177[01:32:10] <annadane> !blame dvs
• 178[01:32:10] * dpkg blames badpixel and dvs for all the evil in the world
• 179[01:32:18] <dvs> get in line!
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• 244[02:53:37] <annadane> ratrace, idk if you're still here but i'm considering just setting the option and risking the cve
• 245[02:53:43] <annadane> the cve's will probably be patched anyway
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• 247[02:53:54] <annadane> especially if it's only 1 per year it doesn't seem like much risk
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• 249[02:54:45] <somiaj> annadane: did debian say they are going to ignore the CVE since' the option isn't default in debian (I've seen this before).
• 250[02:56:33] <annadane> what it is, i'm trying to run a flatpak and i get an error of "No permissions to creating new namespace, likely because the kernel does not allow non-privileged user namespaces. On e.g. debian this can be enabled with 'sysctl kernel.unprivileged_userns_clone=1'" and i'm considering just setting it to that but according to ratrace it's a bit risky and gets exploited - reported by cve - about once a year or whatever
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• 254[02:58:48] <annadane> i've opened an issue on the github page for the flatpak, so i should wait for them to answer, i'm just impatient though
• 255[02:59:22] <hl521> Hey! I'm trying to fix a debian install, and it's booting to grub. I checked the /boot partition, and there is not initramfs, nor kernel stored there. How can I reinstall those in Debian?
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• 257[03:01:24] <hl521> From my liveCD I'm ssh'd into, which is in turn chrooted into the problem server: replaced-url
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• 263[03:06:26] *** themill changes topic to 'Current Debian release is buster, 10.4 point release /msg dpkg 10.4; /msg dpkg buster; /msg dpkg stretch->buster; /msg dpkg apt suite changed | Oldstable Stretch: /msg dpkg stretch ; /msg dpkg 9.12 ; 9.12 needs dist-upgrade | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog'
• 264[03:06:34] <themill> (topicdiff: 10.4 released)
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• 270[03:14:48] <hl521> I'm going to try installing linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64 and see if that works
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• 273[03:15:23] * Butt3rfly copies that
• 274[03:15:44] <hl521> wat
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• 277[03:16:07] <Butt3rfly> the topic
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• 279[03:16:21] <hl521> it seems to hang on generating the initramfs, due to missing firmware?
• 280[03:16:55] <hl521> like watching htop, none of my threads are being utilized, so it can't be compiling
• 281[03:17:12] <hl521> and only 151M of RAM are being used out of the 4GB
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• 286[03:24:51] <hl521> er, anyone know the fix for this?
• 287[03:25:20] <hl521> I be at a loss lol
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• 295[03:31:19] <pwnd_nsfw> Hello! Attempting to install Debian buster on a system with a RTX2060 and 3 monitor setup. Attempting to load Xorg initially is what brought me to where I am now. Currently trying to install unresolved dependencies for nvidia-config. Two claim to be uninstallable, and I guess the rest follow. It's a large list of nvidia packages. I have tried non-free with and without backports. I've been through google with articles that resemble
• 296[03:31:20] <pwnd_nsfw> each other, if for only minor differences. I've tried removing all packages with nvidia and attempted to reinstall.
• 297[03:32:18] <hl521> can you post the dependencies on bpaste?
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• 300[03:33:06] <pwnd_nsfw> Is there a simple way doing that from just the terminal? Lol
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• 302[03:33:41] <hl521> yup! Highlight the output of the issue you're seeing, ctrl+shift+c, then bring up bpaste.net and paste it, then shoot the link back :D
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• 304[03:34:03] <hl521> tbh I wish Debian had wgetpaste in its repos, it's a godsend when troubleshooting issues I face in Gentoo lol
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• 306[03:34:50] <pwnd_nsfw> I don't have a browser
• 307[03:34:55] <pwnd_nsfw> Bottom line
• 308[03:35:02] <pwnd_nsfw> Xorg does not run
• 309[03:35:13] <pwnd_nsfw> WELLLLL
• 310[03:35:19] <hl521> this is where wgetpaste would have worked well lmfaooo
• 311[03:35:24] <pwnd_nsfw> :p
• 312[03:35:32] <hl521> hm lemme think
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• 314[03:36:46] <pwnd_nsfw> it's two holding up the rest of the crowd I'm assuming
• 315[03:36:47] <pwnd_nsfw> brb
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• 317[03:37:49] <pwnd_nsfw> nvidia-installer-cleanup and xxxx-legacy-check
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• 319[03:38:26] <hl521> pwnd_nsfw: <command> | curl -F "sprunge=<-" replaced-url
• 320[03:38:34] <hl521> that should paste for you just fine under terminal
• 321[03:38:52] <hl521> you may need to uninstall nouveau first I'm assuming
• 322[03:38:58] <pwnd_nsfw> I should just ssh to it
• 323[03:39:14] <pwnd_nsfw> If I don't require debian as a distro, is it worth putting up with this?
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• 325[03:39:54] <hl521> well what are you trying to do with your PC?
• 326[03:41:04] <hl521> if it's just for desktop usage, where you want to play games and whatnot, check out Manjaro which is based on Arch linux, or Pop OS which is based on Ubuntu, which in turn is based on Debian
• 327[03:41:04] <pwnd_nsfw> It was going to be my "productivity environment", because my Windows jawn is wayyyyy distracting. So, some separation of purpose. I will be writing code, some to be for web, some applications otherwise. Mostly Ruby for now.
• 328[03:41:09] <pwnd_nsfw> No games
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• 330[03:41:15] <hl521> should be a lot more easy on you for that
• 331[03:41:21] <pwnd_nsfw> I was landing on mint initially, but I got coaxed into trying deb
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• 333[03:41:43] <hl521> weird, were you doing Debian from the ground up?
• 334[03:41:49] <hl521> not the graphical installer or anything?
• 335[03:42:00] <pwnd_nsfw> I was using the GUI initially, so I really don't know.
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• 337[03:42:13] <pwnd_nsfw> Was a pain doing the partitions and getting grub to play happy with everybody initially haha
• 338[03:42:17] <hl521> that sounds like something went awry lol
• 339[03:42:27] <hl521> yeah bud, you may have a better experience with pop os or manjaro :)
• 340[03:42:33] <pwnd_nsfw> I appreciate your time
• 341[03:42:39] <hl521> Manjaro is better if you want bleeding edge packages, but also not super bleeding edge
• 342[03:42:47] <hl521> ye I gotchu
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• 344[03:43:26] <pwnd_nsfw> the blood might be drying a little
• 345[03:43:40] <hl521> you wut
• 346[03:43:50] <pwnd_nsfw> nothing, I'm terrible at jokes. Thanks again, have a great day/night :)
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• 348[03:43:59] <joepublic> `apt install pastebinit`
• 349[03:44:10] <hl521> ah I forgot about pastebinit
• 350[03:44:24] <hl521> I should just alias that to wgetpaste
• 351[03:44:39] <hl521> hey joe, you know how to fix missing kernels/initramfs at boot for deb?
• 352[03:45:09] <joepublic> If my life depended on it, I might could figure it out, might not
• 353[03:45:29] <hl521> why is this so difficult to figure out in Debian hahaha
• 354[03:45:35] <hl521> stupid simple in Gentoo
• 355[03:46:00] <hl521> at this point I'm considering re-installing ALL packages
• 356[03:46:40] <joepublic> are any of the installed kernels bootable?
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• 358[03:47:18] <hl521> well based on this: replaced-url
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• 360[03:48:11] <joepublic> interesting. ouch.
• 361[03:48:21] <hl521> right lol
• 362[03:49:06] <hl521> I had to fix some weird setups from previous ubiquiti unifi installs and stuff too where they specified the release of debian, instead of just stating "stable"
• 363[03:49:25] <hl521> which *may* have broke it? dunno exactly what happened
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• 371[03:56:38] <hl521> pwnd_nsfw: get on the right track?
• 372[03:56:39] <pwnd_nsfw> hl521, contrib was missing after one of the jawns in my sources.list, so I've made progress
• 373[03:56:48] <hl521> areplaced-url
• 374[03:57:04] <pwnd_nsfw> :) Unpacking and installing and all that good stuff
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• 376[03:57:16] <pwnd_nsfw> Thanks again, will check back if things go awry
• 377[03:57:18] <hl521> I think I should be productive and just reinstall everything
• 378[03:57:20] <hl521> ye
• 379[03:57:48] <pwnd_nsfw> XD
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• 385[04:04:30] <pwnd_nsfw> hl521, all systems are go, thanks again
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• 388[04:06:17] <hl521> pwnd_nsfw: of course!
• 389[04:07:14] <pwnd_nsfw> Most systems are go :) I'm gonna try and figure this out now
• 390[04:09:29] <luxeve> did the latest debian upgrade break anyone's wireguard?
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• 396[04:25:14] <annadane> mpv is driving me nuts, i'm trying to play music items one at a time (basically a playlist) but mpv --playlist-start=0 isn't working
• 397[04:25:18] <annadane> help?
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• 400[04:27:47] <shad0w> Hi where can i find legacy images of debian? I'm poking around the site and googling but havent found what I am looking for
• 401[04:28:12] <annadane> !snapshots
• 402[04:28:12] <dpkg> replaced-url
• 403[04:28:15] <annadane> that probably
• 404[04:28:21] <shad0w> thank you
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• 406[04:29:27] <cybercrypto> great! I forgot about snapshots :(
• 407[04:31:44] <annadane> this is why you write stuff down, i *had* found a way to play files sequentially
• 408[04:31:48] <annadane> now i completely forget
• 409[04:31:55] <annadane> (yes i'm reading the man page, it doesn't work)
• 410[04:33:46] <annadane> i *wish* rhythmbox didn't have an interface that absolutely sucked, thanks gnome
• 411[04:33:57] <cybercrypto> annadane: sorry.. i have no clue on how to help you with mvp
• 412[04:34:17] <shad0w> debian 4.0 was what year 2010?
• 413[04:34:35] <annadane> 2007
• 414[04:34:38] <annadane> replaced-url
• 415[04:34:46] <shad0w> oh thank you
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• 418[04:35:55] <shad0w> woah when did they do that with wikipedia, the popup windows showing more information when you hover over a link, that is cool!
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• 431[04:46:19] <pwnd_nsfw> shad0w, oh wow, the tooltips yeah? Images 'n all
• 432[04:46:34] <shad0w> yeah I do not remember that
• 433[04:46:39] <shad0w> its pretty nice though
• 434[04:47:53] <allan_wind> I seem to have issues with nvidia after the latest stable upgrade... known issue?
• 435[04:48:31] <allan_wind> (module: x86/modules: Skipping invalid relocation target, existing value is
• 436[04:48:31] <allan_wind> nonzero for type 1, ...)
• 437[04:50:51] <somiaj> you need to provide more context, also I don't see how that has anything to do with nvidia, Do you have graphical problems, is the module not loading, etc.
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• 439[04:51:46] <allan_wind> somiaj: sure, installed the upgrade, rebooted and after reboot lightdm didn't start. syslog reports this: vent kernel: module: x86/modules: Skipping invalid relocation target, existing value is
• 440[04:51:46] <allan_wind> nonzero for type 1, loc 0000000042b3ff5f, val ffffffffc0e6fa08
• 441[04:51:55] <somiaj> shad0w: you prorbably want archive.debian.org though for installers there is a cd archive too
• 442[04:52:18] <shad0w> oh nice, I was preparing to build from scratch lmao, thank you
• 443[04:52:18] <allan_wind> I found when I modprobe nvidia-current gives me the same error
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• 447[04:52:58] <somiaj> allan_wind: and that is all it gives you, seems strange you dn't see any errors from the nvidia module itself.
• 448[04:53:00] <allan_wind> apt purge nvidia* libnvidia* and X fires up with nouvou
• 449[04:53:13] <somiaj> allan_wind: maybe start by rebuilding the kernel module, and see if there is any issues there
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• 451[04:53:19] <allan_wind> nouveau
• 452[04:54:17] <allan_wind> somiaj: I did dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-driver, and nvidia-kernel-dkms, rebooted and it made no difference (this was before removing nvidia obviously)
• 453[04:54:54] <somiaj> you can check bugreports, but you aren't providing enough info that I can provdie any guess what the problem could be.
• 454[04:55:07] <somiaj> Did your old kernel work (debian keeps the old kenrnel around)
• 455[04:55:09] <allan_wind> somiaj: yeah, looking, nothing stands out
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• 457[04:55:51] <allan_wind> it was working before reboot
• 458[04:56:43] <allan_wind> somiaj: what information can I provide to be more helpful?
• 459[04:56:52] <themill> There were updates to both src:linux and src:nvidia-graphics-drivers* with 10.4
• 460[04:57:31] <allan_wind> nvidia-driver:amd64 (418.74-1, 418.113-1)
• 461[04:57:59] <themill> "New upstream long lived branch release 418.113 (2019-11-05)."
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• 463[04:57:59] <allan_wind> Don't see a new kernel in history.log
• 464[04:58:02] <deego> allan_wind: i just joined. did the 10.4 release break things for you?
• 465[04:58:15] <allan_wind> yes, it appears nvidia-current.ko doesn't load after upgrade
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• 467[04:58:41] <allan_wind> module: x86/modules: Skipping invalid relocation target, existing value is
• 468[04:58:41] <allan_wind> nonzero for type 1, loc 0000000042b3ff5f, val ffffffffc0e6fa08
• 469[04:58:50] <themill> allan_wind: you may have already got the kernel via security.debian.org (the point release also copies it across to the main archive)
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• 471[04:59:07] <deego> allan_wind: oh, hm, don't they have some kind of initialization? did you try running the nvidia initialization again?
• 472[04:59:57] <allan_wind> deego: yes, dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-driver and dkms module, also tried purging and reinstalling all nvidia packages
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• 474[05:00:26] <allan_wind> (I found an unrelated bug report that suggested that)
• 475[05:01:18] <allan_wind> The only other option is to try the version in unstable, but it pulls in stuff and I prefer staying on stable
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• 477[05:02:19] <allan_wind> After purging nvidia pacakges X starts with nouveau so I think it's a nvidia issue
• 478[05:02:31] <allan_wind> nvidia package issue
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• 480[05:02:46] <warsoul> im killing a bot with kill -9
• 481[05:02:50] <warsoul> and it still get back online
• 482[05:03:30] <shad0w> this might be a dumb question but will an image built for i386 work for machines with a i686 architecture ?
• 483[05:04:15] <allan_wind> shad0w: yes, I believe so, you can even enable both architectures on an amd64 machine
• 484[05:04:37] <allan_wind> shad0w: used it for Skype at one point if I recall correctly
• 485[05:05:01] <shad0w> sweet thanks
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• 488[05:05:23] <allan_wind> shad0w: replaced-url
• 489[05:05:30] <ectospasm> i386 and i686 use the same instruction set, mostly. i686 has a bit more features, but a 32-bit binary for i686 might not use all of them.
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• 491[05:10:05] <allan_wind> Any other info I can help with?
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• 493[05:10:20] <allan_wind> If not, I will reinstall the package, then file a bug
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• 495[05:10:36] <warsoul> im killing a bot with kill -9
• 496[05:10:38] <warsoul> and it still get back online
• 497[05:10:44] <warsoul> how can i kill it?
• 498[05:10:58] <petn-randall> warsoul: So what's restarting it?
• 499[05:11:20] <petn-randall> warsoul: Note that `kill -9` is not the best way to terminate a program.
• 500[05:12:27] <warsoul> is restarting
• 501[05:12:30] <warsoul> is a wraith bot
• 502[05:12:42] <petn-randall> warsoul: What is a wraith bot?
• 503[05:12:53] <shad0w> would an executable compiled on an i386 machine work on an i686? basically can't access compilers on the i686 so I'm trying to build a machine as close as i can to compile and upload an executable to work on the i686
• 504[05:12:58] <warsoul> a bot im running on my box
• 505[05:13:08] <warsoul> everytime i kill him
• 506[05:13:12] <petn-randall> warsoul: How did you install and configure it?
• 507[05:13:13] <warsoul> he goes offline
• 508[05:13:19] <warsoul> then come back online
• 509[05:13:33] <petn-randall> Yes, we got that part.
• 510[05:13:35] <allan_wind> warsoul: kill -9 cannot be ignored, so there is another process restarting it
• 511[05:13:48] <joepublic> perhaps first configure the bot to not seek to connect anywhere, *then* kill it
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• 513[05:14:00] <allan_wind> warsoul: how do you start it to begin with?
• 514[05:14:08] <warsoul> whats the correct kill command
• 515[05:14:39] <joepublic> it is not a matter of the correct kill command, as you have so ably demonstrated.
• 516[05:15:26] <warsoul> replaced-url
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• 521[05:16:17] <allan_wind> warsoul: watchdog is probably what is restarting it
• 522[05:16:26] <warsoul> no
• 523[05:16:30] <warsoul> watchdog is a eggdrop
• 524[05:16:31] <ectospasm> shad0w: it should, the i386 executable won't use some features of the i686 CPU, but it should work as long as you have all the libraries the executable needs to run.
• 525[05:16:36] <warsoul> has nothing to do with wraithbot
• 526[05:16:54] <allan_wind> warsoul: I have no idea what a eggdrop is
• 527[05:16:58] <ectospasm> To play that safe,you might want to statically link it so it doesn't have to look for dynamic libraries.
• 528[05:17:00] <joepublic> so, again, how do you start the bot.
• 529[05:17:16] <warsoul> dont remember
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• 531[05:17:36] <petn-randall> warsoul: then just revert the steps you took.
• 532[05:17:38] <joepublic> okay. me neither.
• 533[05:18:42] <shad0w> well I at least know the library packages on the machine installed, thank you! this might work then, time to do it lol
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• 535[05:20:24] <ectospasm> shad0w: good luck!
• 536[05:21:00] <shad0w> thanks for the info :)
• 537[05:22:16] <allan_wind> warsoul: so looking at the doc for your doc, it seems the hub and wraith processes are related. Are you killing both pids? It seems you interact with the hub for control. I never used it, but does the .help command tell you how stop a bot?
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• 539[05:22:50] <allan_wind> doc for your bot, I mean
• 540[05:22:55] <Santzes> wow how is my Linux Mint so badly out of date
• 541[05:23:10] <ectospasm> Santzes: why are you asking in #debian?
• 542[05:23:22] <Santzes> been using this for 6-7 years I think, but now comparing pretty much all the packages to Buster, I'm like 2-3 years behind
• 543[05:23:27] <Santzes> because I'm thinking of changing to debian
• 544[05:23:49] <warsoul> yes
• 545[05:23:52] <warsoul> im killing both
• 546[05:23:57] <warsoul> allan_wind
• 547[05:24:06] <ectospasm> I don't remember much about Mint, is it a versioned release cycle, or a rolling release cycle?
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• 549[05:24:26] <allan_wind> warsoul: anyways, not really a debian issue, so not the right channel to discuss this
• 550[05:24:38] <Santzes> versioned.. I think it's derived from the last Ubuntu LTS, which might explain the old packages
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• 552[05:25:24] <warsoul> whats the channel to wraith
• 553[05:25:37] <allan_wind> warsoul: no idea, sorry
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• 555[05:26:45] <annadane> !mint
• 556[05:26:46] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
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• 560[05:27:44] <allan_wind> need to reboot to report nvidia issue... later
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• 562[05:28:31] <ectospasm> Santzes: are you planning on installing Debian? I would recommend a fresh installation
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• 564[05:29:11] <shad0w> why dont people like using pastebin? i know its offtopic but idk where to ask this lol
• 565[05:29:28] <ectospasm> shad0w: use paste.debian.net
• 566[05:29:47] <ectospasm> pastebin.com has some nasty TOS
• 567[05:29:50] <shad0w> oh cool didnt know debian had their own paste
• 568[05:30:11] <shad0w> oh, like what? I'm gonna go look now but a shortcut would be nice
• 569[05:30:29] <ectospasm> Like they own anything you paste to it.
• 570[05:30:53] <shad0w> oh yeah screw that
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• 572[05:31:39] <shad0w> great way to steal peoples code
• 573[05:32:02] <Santzes> ectospasm: yeah kinda, little bit scared though of the good old don't fix what's working, been screwed a lot when I forget that.. Maybe I'll wait until I have a lot of time to try things out
• 574[05:32:07] <annadane> !pastebin.com
• 575[05:32:07] <dpkg> pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, is full of js, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like replaced-url
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• 577[05:33:17] <shad0w> that's great lol
• 578[05:33:30] <ectospasm> Santzes: is your /home partition a separate partition/disk?
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• 580[05:34:02] <ectospasm> Santzes: another way to ask that is do you store anything anywhere else in your Mint system?
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• 592[05:52:46] <Santzes> ectospasm: yeah I have separate /home and terabytes of different partitions.. just pondering around, I know how to try it out and will probably do soonish
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• 604[06:07:23] <allan_wind> #960163 filed for the nvidia-driver issue that I have after upgrading to 10.4
• 605[06:08:18] <somiaj> Hopefully you hear something, but I did hear you say you thought about installing from sid, made me think you don't realize you shouldn't do that.
• 606[06:08:22] <somiaj> !don't break debian
• 607[06:08:22] <dpkg> i guess dont break debian is replaced-url
• 608[06:08:36] <somiaj> I don't think that is the case here, but just your comment about installing from sid made me want to share that
• 609[06:08:38] <allan_wind> somiaj: speaking to me?
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• 612[06:09:03] <somiaj> yes
• 613[06:09:34] <allan_wind> somiaj: Yeah, I understand... I use this machine for work and why I run stable. If I cannot run stable, well, then I will have to run unstable
• 614[06:09:54] <somiaj> Im' not currently running debian, so I can't tell you if it works here or not (my debian disk took a dump many months ago and I haven't had time to fix it)
• 615[06:10:17] <allan_wind> somiaj: sorry to hear that
• 616[06:10:37] <somiaj> yea, hopefully I can recover the data form it once I find time to deal with it.
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• 623[06:12:42] <allan_wind> Does it take a while for the web to catch up with a bug report? I got a confirmation email with the link replaced-url
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• 627[06:14:49] <somiaj> It might, I would just leave it for now, you could try to downgrade back to the previous version of the kernel and/or nvidia package from snapshot.debian.org to see if you can get things working again
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• 629[06:15:34] <allan_wind> I can survive with nouveau for a bit
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• 633[06:19:27] <mutantturkey> my company has a budget for me to do conferences etc, that's all cancelled so, i was thinking maybe some sort of online course or something that doesnt suck. anyone have recommendations
• 634[06:19:39] <mutantturkey> i'd like to learn more networking things, ideally
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• 636[06:21:02] <somiaj> We are more a support channel for debian, so you may find other places more useful to find info about online conferences.
• 637[06:22:43] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 640[06:24:55] <untakenstupidnic> libgraphicsmagick1-dev in buster's repos lacks dependencies. how could i install it?
• 641[06:25:16] <somiaj> !debian-next
• 642[06:25:16] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
• 643[06:25:25] <somiaj> oh wait
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• 646[06:25:45] <somiaj> untakenstupidnic: sorry you said buster. That seems very very strange that it lacks dependencies. Are you using buster-backports?
• 647[06:26:50] <somiaj> There are also some security fixes to that package, so you do need security sources for buster, though with the point release today, those should have all migrated into buster.
• 648[06:27:06] <untakenstupidnic> probably not. it's a dry knoppix install and i haven't changed anything in sources.list
• 649[06:27:32] <somiaj> !knoppix
• 650[06:27:32] <dpkg> Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. replaced-url
• 651[06:27:52] <somiaj> sounds like you are mixing sources, which will cause lots of strange issues and is not supported
• 652[06:28:00] <untakenstupidnic> yes but it's a problem with apt and debian repos
• 653[06:28:42] <somiaj> no it is a problem with your sources (or maybe knoppix's sources), I supect that package installs just fine in debian.
• 654[06:30:56] <untakenstupidnic> i looked up the sources and all are debian stable's. you can test it. also GD graphics lacks a dev package if anyone involved sees this.
• 655[06:31:41] <somiaj> then maybe the issue is with something that is installed on your system, in either case knoppix is not debian and not supported here, go ask the fine folks in #knoppix
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• 658[06:32:40] <somiaj> fwiw, I just installed that package just fine in my buster chroot with no issues what sover, the problem is not with buster or its sources, the problem is you are mixing things
• 659[06:32:58] <somiaj> maybe the knoppix users better know how knoppix works with debian
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• 663[06:36:03] <fenris> normal
• 664[06:36:16] <fenris> too much vegetabale, try canneloni
• 665[06:36:42] <fenris> brb im gonna drink my orange juice its 6:36 :-)
• 666[06:37:07] <fenris> finally yesterday the valium worked
• 667[06:37:28] <fenris> ops, wish it was *-social, sorry
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• 670[06:38:08] <fenris> er *-offtopic
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• 682[06:50:23] <randompleb> Hi, is it recommended to install wine from debian itself or from the winehq repo? I'm going to need multiarch support for a application(Fightcade/GGPO)
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• 685[07:00:07] <dvs> Hey! I don't have permissions to download the non-free firmware IsOs
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• 687[07:04:07] <somiaj> randompleb: depends totally on the applications you want to run with wine. My suggestion is if the version of wine or wine-development in debian runs your software use that, if you use winehq, you need to get a thrid party libary as well (I think it is on suse's servers)
• 688[07:04:16] <somiaj> dvs: what link?
• 689[07:04:36] * diogenes_ chmods 777 dvs
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• 691[07:04:55] <randompleb> somiaj, I see, thanks! I guess I should use the debian version because my application runs fine.
• 692[07:04:58] <randompleb> 777?
• 693[07:05:00] <randompleb> ./dvs
• 694[07:05:06] <randompleb> Doesn't work. Fake news.
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• 698[07:06:36] <dvs> somiaj, replaced-url
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• 700[07:08:24] <somiaj> dvs: I have a 403 too, I guess report a bug against cdimage.debian.org pesudopackage
• 701[07:08:29] <somiaj> or just wait
• 702[07:08:46] <dvs> I'll do it in the morning. Thanks.
• 703[07:09:05] <dvs> I mean I'll just wait
• 704[07:09:06] <randompleb> Why not try mirrors near your country?
• 705[07:09:21] <somiaj> usually the mirrors don't contain the cdimages
• 706[07:09:31] <randompleb> Oh
• 707[07:10:03] <somiaj> seems to be an issue with permissions on cdimage.debian.org, I'm sure once it is noticed it'll be fixed, someone can file a bug against the cdimage.debian.org package to inform the admins
• 708[07:10:13] <somiaj> or just wait until they figure it out and fix it
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• 831[10:52:54] <rendar> i need to install latest kernel linux in my debian
• 832[10:52:56] <rendar> how to do that?
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• 837[10:56:35] <ansimita> rendar: wiki.debian.org/BuildingKernelFromUpstreamSources
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• 841[11:00:03] <rendar> replaced-url
• 842[11:00:06] <rendar> i'm having this issue
• 843[11:00:15] <rendar> basically my kernel blacklisted my audio drivers
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• 845[11:00:45] <rendar> i got this: [ 6.252917] snd_hda_intel 0000:0a:00.3: Skipping the blacklisted device
• 846[11:00:58] <rendar> shouldn't debian keep track of this?!
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• 867[11:22:49] <rendar> basically i have snd_hda_intel driver blacklisted in my debian, after an update
• 868[11:22:54] <rendar> is that normal? how to fix this?
• 869[11:23:05] <rendar> why debian doesn't keep track of this?!?!
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• 892[11:54:43] <sh4d0w> is there a debian package that lets you use your wifi adapter as a hotspot?
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• 894[11:55:49] <sh4d0w> i have wifi adapters that support AP mode
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• 896[11:55:57] <sh4d0w> hostapd?
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• 899[11:56:57] <ratrace> sh4d0w: yea, hostapd is it
• 900[11:57:07] <sh4d0w> thanks, reading into it now
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• 906[12:05:22] <sh4d0w> if i hosted a wireless hotspot from my laptop connected to a VPN would the hotspot also be running under the VPN's network or would it spawn from the original connection's configuration? depends on how i set it up I Think right? like would I use the VPN tunnels "tun0" as a bridge?
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• 909[12:07:22] <sh4d0w> guess ill just have to try it and find out
• 910[12:07:37] <ratrace> sh4d0w: hostapd is lower on the OSI stack than network subnets. you can assign any subnet and any kind of routing you desire.
• 911[12:07:55] <sh4d0w> oh nice, thank you for the info
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• 930[12:25:13] <Kiwis> !moo
• 931[12:25:13] <dpkg> mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo; aplay /usr/lib/libreoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
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• 934[12:26:34] <flayer> replaced-url
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• 936[12:28:18] <rendar> can i install the latest kernel version by compiling it myself?
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• 938[12:28:31] <flayer> i don't know, can you?
• 939[12:28:35] <flayer> i did so in the past
• 940[12:28:59] <flayer> the tools are there
• 941[12:29:06] <flayer> it is up to you to use them
• 942[12:29:23] <shtrb> rendar, build a deb package and yes
• 943[12:29:48] <rendar> build a deb package? why?
• 944[12:30:11] <flayer> because it's just so ridiculously simple and convenient if you do
• 945[12:30:27] <flayer> i could compile kernels and install them without having a clue
• 946[12:31:19] <rendar> but shoulnd't debian apply patches to the kernel to work properly?
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• 948[12:31:52] <Brigo> rendar, i think kernel will work anyway, with debian patches will work better.
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• 951[12:32:29] <rendar> Brigo: i think so, so let me rephrase: can i install the latest kernel version, apply the debian patches, compile it, and using it properly?
• 952[12:32:31] <Brigo> rendar, building debian packages is trivial as flayer said, you can do it from the kernel source itself.
• 953[12:32:33] <shtrb> rendar , Debian patches will not exist for "latest kernel" if you get it from upstream, but you can also use most recent kernel in backports and check if it suit your needs
• 954[12:32:42] <shtrb> rendar, yes
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• 956[12:32:54] <rendar> ok
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• 958[12:33:03] <rendar> how can i check the latest kernel debian has to offer me?
• 959[12:33:13] <Brigo> rendar, it is something like make debian instead of make kernel
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• 961[12:33:31] <shtrb> ,v linux-image
• 962[12:33:32] <judd> No package named 'linux-image' was found in amd64.
• 963[12:33:41] <jmcnaught> ,kernels
• 964[12:33:42] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.6.0-trunk-686-pae (5.6.4-1~exp1); sid: 5.6.0-1-686 (5.6.7-1); bullseye: 5.6.0-1-686 (5.6.7-1); buster-backports: 5.5.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (5.5.17-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-9-686 (4.19.118-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.8-686 (4.19.98-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-12-686-pae (4.9.210-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae
• 965[12:33:43] <judd> (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1~deb8u1)
• 966[12:34:02] <rendar> ok this is my problem: replaced-url
• 967[12:34:10] <rendar> my audio drivers have been blacklisted
• 968[12:34:18] <rendar> due to a bug, allegedly
• 969[12:34:33] <rendar> now i don't have audio working, and i don't know how to fix this in debian
• 970[12:34:54] <shtrb> Are you using buster ?
• 971[12:36:04] <rendar> how to check that, just to be sure?
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• 973[12:39:16] <loeken> cat /etc/*release*
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• 978[12:43:18] <simplicius> hello
• 979[12:43:29] <simplicius> when I run make install from here replaced-url
• 980[12:43:41] <rendar> PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)"
• 981[12:43:52] <rendar> shtrb, loeken: yes ^
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• 984[12:44:38] <shtrb> rendar, what recent upgrade in buster broke it ? because the current kernel in buster us 4.19
• 985[12:44:56] <simplicius> I get Permission denied
• 986[12:45:18] <shtrb> simplicius, why are you using make install and not using a debian package ?
• 987[12:45:56] <simplicius> this is my program..
• 988[12:45:59] <rendar> shtrb: i simply don't know!! i know that i have the exact version of that motherboard and that my audio drivers are blacklisted right now, and audio doesn't work
• 989[12:46:48] <shtrb> simplicius, Also /usr/local/bin is write protected for a reason
• 990[12:47:23] <shtrb> rendar, did it work before on buster ? how do you know it's blacklisted ?
• 991[12:48:13] <rendar> $ sudo dmesg|grep black
• 992[12:48:13] <rendar> [sudo] password for rendar:
• 993[12:48:13] <rendar> [ 0.986664] Key type blacklist registered
• 994[12:48:13] <rendar> [ 6.383970] snd_hda_intel 0000:0a:00.3: Skipping the blacklisted device
• 995[12:48:13] <rendar> [rendar@tilt ~]0$
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• 998[12:48:55] <simplicius> shtrb: so how can I install my program to the system?
• 999[12:48:59] <rendar> sorry guys
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• 1001[12:49:08] <shtrb> simplicius, use deb package and with sudo
• 1002[12:49:10] <rendar> replaced-url
• 1003[12:49:18] <rendar> shtrb: ^
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• 1005[12:50:48] * shtrb googling about that bug
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• 1013[12:55:59] <oxek> where are the dictionary files located when I install 'hunspell-de-de' or 'aspell-de'?
• 1014[12:56:11] <oxek> `dpkg -S aspell-de` does not help
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• 1016[12:56:28] <oxek> I am looking for the .aff and .dic files
• 1017[12:57:25] <abrotman> oxek: dpkg -L ?
• 1018[12:58:02] <oxek> abrotman: thanks, I was using the wrong command
• 1019[12:58:31] <Brigo> rendar, have you tried the kernel from backports? do you know about backports?
• 1020[12:58:50] <rendar> no i don't
• 1021[12:58:53] <rendar> can you explain?
• 1022[12:59:08] <rendar> it's been 5 HOURS i've been messing with audio
• 1023[12:59:09] <rendar> :(
• 1024[12:59:47] <untakenstupidnic> libgraphicsmagick1-dev in buster's repos lacks dependencies. i installed it from source, but fix that. it's an important package.
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• 1027[13:00:48] <Brigo> rendar, replaced-url
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• 1029[13:01:22] <rendar> how can i apply that to my case?!
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• 1031[13:02:18] <Brigo> rendar there is a backported "" buster-backports: 5.5.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (5.5.17-1~bpo10+1);"" kernel you can easely install from there (and more software)
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• 1033[13:02:51] <rendar> that's too old
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• 1035[13:03:03] <rendar> Brigo: replaced-url
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• 1037[13:03:58] <Unit193> ,v linux
• 1038[13:04:00] <judd> No package named 'linux' was found in amd64.
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• 1041[13:05:22] <neox> Try linux-image-amd64
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• 1045[13:08:05] <Unit193> 5.6.7 migrated to testing, might hit backports soon™
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• 1057[13:19:16] <lpancescu> hi, when are live images made available on bittorrent after a point release? replaced-url
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• 1061[13:20:15] <front12> Where I can post question about crontab?!
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• 1063[13:21:00] <nkuttler> just ask
• 1064[13:21:57] <abrotman> lpancescu: maybe ask #debian-live on OFTC
• 1065[13:23:08] <lpancescu> abrotman: thanks
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• 1069[13:26:21] <netvixtra> Hi there. Ran into a snag with a SSD drive. It works perfectly with Windows (CrystalDiskInfo reports no errors) but with debian it unloads it at boot claiming buffer I/O error and detaches it. Anyone ran into this?
• 1070[13:27:58] <front12> I create python script.. and set this line in crontab.. to get executed.. 0 0 * * * /usr/bin/python /home/front12/scrap/sk.py >> /home/front12/scrap/log.txt .. and it creates this log.txt in that time I put.. later I create ftp script and add other line in crontab... that looks like this 3 0 * * * python /home/front12/scrap/ga.py .. that second line can't be executed.. I don't know why..
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• 1072[13:28:54] <netvixtra> front12: full paths to executables in script?
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• 1074[13:30:12] <front12> first script works.. but second when I want to upload file to server..
• 1075[13:30:19] <front12> won't
• 1076[13:31:10] <abrotman> full path to python?
• 1077[13:32:11] <front12> try it already won't work
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• 1079[13:32:43] <abrotman> nothing in cron.log?
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• 1081[13:34:31] <front12> everything gets executed but won't upload file to server
• 1082[13:35:00] <front12> when I log to box and execute script manualy it works
• 1083[13:35:18] <jim> hi. I'm trying to help someone (running debian 10) get his sound card working, an amd, for which judd says there is an out-of-tree snd-hda-intel module... how can he build that, preferably into a package?
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• 1085[13:35:43] <front12> oh wait.. what's this.. I don't understand this..
• 1086[13:35:47] <front12> May 10 11:03:01 indiana CRON[3403]: (CRON) info (No MTA installed, discarding output)
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• 1088[13:36:22] <jim> his card has pciid [1022:1457]
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• 1090[13:36:47] <abrotman> front12: you have no way for cron to deliver output, so it's throwing it away .. your script is generating output
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• 1092[13:37:24] <front12> I don't understand
• 1093[13:37:41] <abrotman> front12: sometihng in your script is generating output ..
• 1094[13:37:52] <abrotman> front12: is this root's crontab or another UID?
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• 1096[13:38:22] <abrotman> front12: is this Debian or something else?
• 1097[13:38:33] <front12> raspberrypi debian
• 1098[13:38:44] <front12> it's root crontab
• 1099[13:38:53] <abrotman> you mean raspbian or actually Debian?
• 1100[13:39:01] <front12> raspbian
• 1101[13:39:37] <abrotman> okay, a) go to #raspbian for help b) you're going to have to try to get some logging in your second script, or install something like postfix to get local mail so you can see the output
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• 1104[13:40:16] <front12> thank you
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• 1106[13:42:17] <sketchy_henry> Hi all. I'm missing a whole bunch of firmware. This issue concerns the i915 firmware and nouveau firmware. I'll copy some of the errors below. Any help would be appreciated.
• 1107[13:42:39] <sketchy_henry> Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gp108/gr/gpccs_data.bin for module nouveau
• 1108[13:42:59] <sketchy_henry> Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/i915/bxt_dmc_ver1_07.bin for module i915
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• 1110[13:43:24] <sketchy_henry> Those two errors summarize the bulk of the errors I'm seeing.
• 1111[13:45:47] <joepublic> "possible missing firmware" isn't an error unless the firmware is required.
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• 1116[13:49:43] <sketchy_henry> Ok thanks.
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• 1120[13:53:22] <joepublic> Debian does not include any non-free firmware (itself being 100% free software)
• 1121[13:53:56] <joepublic> But I notice #nouveau sent you here for firmware info, so in the interest of completeness...
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• 1123[13:54:39] <abrotman> you can use apt-file (if you have contrib/non-free sources) to look to see if that firmware is available
• 1124[13:54:41] <joepublic> if you add non-free repositories there's quite a bit of non-free firmware there.
• 1125[13:55:08] <abrotman> oh, he's gone
• 1126[13:55:19] <joepublic> ugh, didn't notice, sorry
• 1127[13:55:44] <abrotman> but firmware-misc-nonfree would contain both of those files
• 1128[13:56:03] <joepublic> in my defense I am in the pre-coffee portion of my morning
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• 1151[14:10:43] <ZenWalker> hi all
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• 1155[14:12:19] <ZenWalker> it is possible get the .deb installed of one package ?
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• 1159[14:13:41] <abrotman> yes?
• 1160[14:14:20] <ZenWalker> I mean, if I have one package installed and there is no way to get it online again
• 1161[14:14:42] <abrotman> then it's already installed
• 1162[14:15:03] <abrotman> you want to recreate the .deb so you can move it to a new system?
• 1163[14:15:06] <abrotman> what software is this?
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• 1169[14:19:29] <ZenWalker> yes, I want to recreate the .deb, for testing reasons
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• 1176[14:25:15] <trek00> ZenWalker: see dpkg-repack
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• 1179[14:27:33] <ZenWalker> thanks
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• 1183[14:29:11] <dvs> Ah! The firmware ISOs work again!
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• 1193[14:35:27] <ZenWalker> trek00: it is exactly what I needed it, and it works very fast, Thanks!
• 1194[14:36:34] <trek00> good :)
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• 1200[14:42:42] <jim> does debian still have a way to set up grub to default to a saved position of the menu?
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• 1202[14:43:31] <jim> like, default=saved in /etc/default/grub... and what else has to happen?
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• 1204[14:46:03] <trek00> jim: yes GRUB_DEFAULT=saved
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• 1242[15:47:04] <tehnull> can someone please help me with an issue I'm having with xfce4 on debian 10? xfdesktop is crashing on execution and the only thing I've found in logs is the following:
• 1243[15:47:09] <tehnull> May 10 06:03:02 machine kernel: [1689342.721346] xfdesktop[27491]: segfault at 23 ip 00007fb6229049ea sp 00007ffc8ec78050 error 4 in libglib-2.0.so.0.5800.3[7fb6228b4000+7e000]
• 1244[15:47:09] <tehnull> May 10 06:03:02 machine kernel: [1689342.721353] Code: 8d 48 ff 48 89 c3 49 89 ce 49 c1 e6 04 4c 01 f5 48 8b 45 00 48 85 c0 0f 84 c3 00 00 00 48 8b 58 08 48 85 db 0f 84 fe 01 00 00 <48> 8b 13 48 89 50 08 48 8b 45 08 48 85 c0 74 08 48 83 e8 01 48 89
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• 1246[15:47:45] <tehnull> it was working fine until I installed this via flatpak replaced-url
• 1247[15:48:17] <tehnull> I tried removing it but that hasn't resolved the issue
• 1248[15:49:36] <jim> trek00, thanks for responding... is there anything else I need to do?
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• 1250[15:52:53] <trek00> tehnull: it seems similar to replaced-url
• 1251[15:52:54] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1252[15:53:58] <trek00> jim: i don't know, may be running grub-set-default
• 1253[15:55:41] <trek00> jim: see replaced-url
• 1254[15:55:47] <jim> ok, and the DEFAULT=saved tells the program that generates the grub.conf to add stuff that sets the default?
• 1255[15:56:15] <jim> I'll read that and also pass it along to the person I'm helping
• 1256[15:56:26] <trek00> jim: after modifying /etc/default/grub you should run update-grub
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• 1270[16:07:41] <jim> trek00, ok, thanks so much... I'm tempted to do it to my own machine :)
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• 1272[16:08:27] <trek00> jim: may be it useful also GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT and it will use the last selected menuentry replaced-url
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• 1276[16:10:39] <koheleth> Hi guys can I ask database quests here or should I go somewhere else
• 1277[16:11:13] <jim> trek00, yeah, that's the other thing
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• 1279[16:11:51] <trek00> :)
• 1280[16:12:17] <trek00> koheleth: may be it's not the right place to ask, but you can try, just ask :)
• 1281[16:12:23] <koheleth> lol ok
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• 1283[16:14:09] <koheleth> Just starting a new site, using 3 different software installs for various aspects of the site like, biz dir, social network and a classifieds area but 3 different installs of software on a single domain. My question is
• 1284[16:14:57] <koheleth> Can I use 1 database for login to all 3 sites, really do not want to deter people by 3 logins
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• 1286[16:15:53] <trek00> koheleth: it really depends by the authentication code of each application you need to use
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• 1289[16:18:26] <koheleth> trek00: noted ty
• 1290[16:18:41] <koheleth> still none the wiser lol
• 1291[16:18:50] <koheleth> I have work to do :)
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• 1315[16:40:18] <Roguish> hello all. a little buster network help please.....
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• 1317[16:41:04] <trek00> !ask
• 1318[16:41:04] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 1324[16:44:33] <Roguish> thanks. I have a new install of buster and no matter what I try I cannot get it to show my windows workgroup network members. I have samba installed and setup correctly, I think. I have another jessie machine that has no problem seeing the windows network members. I am not sure it the problem is in the network setup, or samba setup, or what. any hints are greatly appreciated.
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• 1327[16:46:50] <trek00> Roguish: have you tried with smbclient -L hostname ? see replaced-url
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• 1339[16:55:21] <Kats99> When I run pppd I get pppd: The remote system is required to authenticate itself
• 1340[16:55:21] <Kats99> pppd: but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so
• 1341[16:55:28] <Roguish> trek00. thanks. i get 'error returning browser list: NT_STATUS_REVISION_MISMATCH
• 1342[16:56:09] <Kats99> Now I'm configuring PPP in DOSBOX but I get that error
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• 1349[16:58:20] <trek00> Roguish: try adding -m SMB2 on the command line
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• 1351[16:59:24] <trek00> Kats99: there are many authentication methods for ppp like chap and pap
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• 1354[17:01:04] <Kats99> I really don't know about it. I was following this replaced-url
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• 1356[17:01:23] <Kats99> I asked #dosbox too..waiting for replies
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• 1359[17:02:21] <trek00> Kats99: have you configured your /etc/ppp/pap-secrets ?
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• 1362[17:02:53] <Kats99> no
• 1363[17:03:45] <trek00> Kats99: well no, may be you don't need it with that setup, i don't know sorry
• 1364[17:03:59] <Kats99> okay
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• 1367[17:05:44] <trek00> Kats99: if the ip addresses are correct, may be you can try to add noauth to the pppd commandline inside runme.sh
• 1368[17:06:17] <Kats99> ok. I'll do that now
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• 1370[17:06:37] <trek00> Kats99: for more info see replaced-url
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• 1372[17:08:29] <freq> replaced-url
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• 1381[17:15:28] <Kats99> I edited the options file of ppp and changed that to noauth. It is working now but I still cannot access the internet.
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• 1384[17:18:41] <trek00> Kats99: may be the net/forwarding iptables rules are not right?
• 1385[17:21:36] <Kats99> Should I create a separate rule for DOSBOX? But I created several scripts which the website had already given
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• 1408[17:45:17] <Roguish> trek00: hey, thanks. got it working. had to add to smb.conf, line for 'interfaces' and 'allow hosts'. noticed those in posts while looking up errors shown in the smbclient command. THANKS AGAIN FOR THE ASSISTANCE
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• 1413[17:49:13] * SkIzZaTo replaced-url
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• 1430[18:16:21] <Destro> My wifi shows "wifi is disabled" how can i fix that
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• 1437[18:25:12] <jmcnaught> Destro: first I would check if there is a button/combo on your keyboard for toggling wifi on and off. Then I would take a look at "journalctl | grep -i firmware" to see if you are missing any wifi firmwares.
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• 1442[18:29:14] <Destro> jmcnaught, i made a live boot into kali that shows the same thing as wifi is disabled , so i fell the wifi adapter got disabled
• 1443[18:30:03] <Destro> jmcnaught, And there is no key to toggle wifi in my keyboard
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• 1446[18:32:10] <jim> Destro, has your wifi ever worked with debian so far?
• 1447[18:32:11] <loeken> pci / usb based wifi?
• 1448[18:32:21] <jim> that too
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• 1450[18:32:38] <loeken> try lsusb/lspci see if it's being detected
• 1451[18:33:05] <loeken> rfkill list to see if it's maybe just disabled
• 1452[18:33:16] <Destro> jim, i was using it 3 hours before
• 1453[18:33:54] <jim> Destro, ok... good chance it was already set up and everything (driver, config)
• 1454[18:34:31] <jim> Destro, what are you using to irc here?
• 1455[18:34:54] <Destro> jim, and ethernet connection
• 1456[18:35:14] <jim> oh, on the same machine
• 1457[18:35:24] <Destro> jim, yes
• 1458[18:35:35] <jim> ok, that's good to know
• 1459[18:36:17] <jim> Destro, is it a usb dongle?
• 1460[18:36:29] <jmcnaught> Destro: are you using NeworkManager? If so what does "nmcli radio wifi" say?
• 1461[18:37:22] <Destro> jmcnaught, it says enabled
• 1462[18:38:24] <Destro> jim, No its not a usb dongle
• 1463[18:38:30] <jmcnaught> is there an entry for your wifi interface in /etc/network/interfaces?
• 1464[18:38:44] <jim> did you say before that it says it's disabled? if so, remind me, what did you read that says that?
• 1465[18:39:52] <Destro> jim, when i click on the wifi icon it has a check box to enable it . But i am unable to check it .
• 1466[18:40:15] <Destro> jim, and the wifi logo says as a message then your wifi is disabled
• 1467[18:40:36] <Destro> jim, same is the message when i ran the system on live boot
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• 1469[18:43:23] <Destro> is there a way to enable the adapter through terminal .
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• 1471[18:46:58] <somiaj> Destro: answer jmcnaught question about the wifi interface in /etc/network/interfaces file.
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• 1473[18:48:19] <jmcnaught> It's probably not that if the same problem happens on a live boot, I'd probably start looking for errors in "journalctl | grep -i network"
• 1474[18:48:57] <somiaj> well the not being able to enable the wifi interface in network-manager almost sounds like it is that, but I missed th liveboot thing, Though wasn't the live boot in kali, and kali disables network by default
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• 1478[18:56:15] <tehnull> I followed the instructions on the wiki to install nvidia proprietary but I can't install 32 bit libraries required for steam... what am I missing here?
• 1479[18:56:25] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. Are there any other steps that I need to take to install the zoom package on my system that are not here: replaced-url
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• 1482[18:59:14] <jmcnaught> Nice, it says if you get the error "not in the sudoers file" that you need to install sudo. Big brain time.
• 1483[18:59:18] <somiaj> !multiarch
• 1484[18:59:18] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
• 1485[18:59:28] <somiaj> tehnull: ^^ have you enabled multiarch?
• 1486[18:59:32] <tehnull> yes
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• 1488[18:59:46] <tehnull> is it because I'm using the driver from backports?
• 1489[19:00:12] <somiaj> tehnull: there is sometimes issues with that, make sure you include the -t buster-backports when you try to install the 32bit libaries as well
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• 1493[19:01:48] <Lady_Aleena> Well, using the basic instructions on that damned page don't work. I keep getting told "E: Unable to locate package zoom_amd64.deb"
• 1494[19:02:14] <Lady_Aleena> Don't I have to do something with dpkg or something?
• 1495[19:02:17] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: Zoom is also available as a Flatpak which might be safer than a third-party deb file which has the potential to mess up dependencies. If you do install the .deb, then their command "apt install ./zoom_amd64.deb" looks correct, did you remember the ./ ? was the file in the current directory?
• 1496[19:02:36] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, what is a Flatpak?
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• 1499[19:03:02] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: did you download the zoom .deb file as aprt of those instructions
• 1500[19:03:03] <Lady_Aleena> Or better yet, tell me what to do to to get it installed.
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• 1502[19:03:09] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, yes.
• 1503[19:03:24] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: use the actual name of the file you downloaded, it probably isn't called zoom_amd64.deb
• 1504[19:03:45] <Lady_Aleena> That is what ls says when I am in the dir.
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• 1506[19:04:12] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: hmm, I usually used dpkg -i filename.deb to install local .deb, but not sure why the apt command didn't work
• 1507[19:04:22] <somiaj> though you may have to fix the issue by running 'apt -f install' after the dpkg command fails
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• 1509[19:05:33] <Lady_Aleena> dpkg with sudo?
• 1510[19:05:34] <dpkg> Lady_Aleena: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
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• 1512[19:05:51] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: yes you have to be root to install packages
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• 1517[19:07:12] <Lady_Aleena> I don't usually install packages I download, so I have to be walked through it almost every time. I am sorry.
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• 1519[19:07:39] <somiaj> I'm just pointing out for future knowledge, this is something root is needed for, anyways, yes sudo or become root
• 1520[19:07:49] <Lady_Aleena> And yes, the package from zoom itself was bad.
• 1521[19:08:00] * Lady_Aleena head desks.
• 1522[19:08:02] <somiaj> what do you mean bad?
• 1523[19:08:21] <somiaj> I expect you should get errors, but 'sudo apt -f install' afterwards will try to fix them
• 1524[19:08:38] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, replaced-url
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• 1528[19:10:26] <tehnull> somiaj, thank you so much I knew I had to be forgetting something that worked :D
• 1529[19:10:48] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: as I said, run 'sudo apt -f install' afterwards, that should try to fix the problem and install any missing packages.
• 1530[19:11:01] <somiaj> ,v ibus
• 1531[19:11:02] <judd> Package: ibus on amd64 -- jessie: 1.5.9-1; stretch: 1.5.14-3+deb9u2; stretch-security: 1.5.14-3+deb9u2; buster: 1.5.19-4+deb10u1; buster-security: 1.5.19-4+deb10u1; bullseye: 1.5.22-4; sid: 1.5.22-4
• 1532[19:11:28] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, sorry, I am zooming on my phone and trying to do this at the same time.
• 1533[19:11:47] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, my family is a bit loud. 8)
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• 1553[19:36:16] <kishmesh> hi. i'm new to debian buster. wondering, what is the best way to disable a service like cupsd?
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• 1556[19:37:11] <annadane> if it's not separate from any other service then probably just systemctl stop cupsd or systemctl mask cupsd to prevent it from loading on boot
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• 1558[19:39:31] <petn-randall> kishmesh: Why not uninstall it when you don't intend to use it?
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• 1565[19:43:03] <somiaj> cupsd I think only runs on localhost anyways, and many things do depend on it, might not have a big deal being enabled
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• 1567[19:43:37] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, thank you for putting up with me. I got it to work. 8)
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• 1569[19:44:34] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: still surprsied the apt command didn't work, but I have always used dpkg to install .deb packages, then apt to install any missing dependencies
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• 1571[19:45:37] <annadane> how do you do that separately?
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• 1573[19:46:35] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, well, the dpkg/apt combo worked.
• 1574[19:46:52] <kishmesh> somiaj: isn't cupsd for printing? i don't need printing on my system.
• 1575[19:46:59] <Lady_Aleena> Now I need an alias for it.
• 1576[19:47:56] <annadane> ratrace, updating flatpak fixed it. lol.
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• 1579[19:50:01] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: yea, that is the way I have always done it, and I'm to layz to learn other ways
• 1580[19:50:41] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, so is there a good way to write a alias/script to do both?
• 1581[19:50:59] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: there are programs that are better at doing that, so unsure what would be best for you
• 1582[19:51:17] <somiaj> ,i gdebi
• 1583[19:51:18] <judd> Package gdebi (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: simple tool to view and install deb files - GNOME GUI. Version: 0.9.5.7+nmu3; Size: 40.1k; Installed: 169k; Screenshot: replaced-url
• 1584[19:51:24] <somiaj> I have never used that, but that is probably what you want.
• 1585[19:52:02] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, I would rather keep installation on the command line, believe it or not.
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• 1590[19:54:42] <Lady_Aleena> inst-deb () { sudo dpkg -i "$@"; sudo apt -f install; done } # or something like that.
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• 1593[19:55:39] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: I woudln't suggest trying to combine it like that, as that will fail if the .deb you are trying to install cannot meed dependecies correctly
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• 1596[19:59:10] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, like the errors I got earlier from the zoom install?
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• 1598[19:59:16] <no_gravity> Strange, why does "apt install git" wants to install 32.9 MB and "apt install --no-install-recommends git" also wants to install 32.9 MB? It seems there *are* install recommendations. Shouldn't that make tha latter smaller?
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• 1611[20:02:41] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, I added that to my .bash_aliases, but I will be careful using it.
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• 1623[20:07:22] <trek00> Lady_Aleena: may be apt install debfile just works
• 1624[20:07:33] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: partly, also if you can't actually meed the dependencies, apt -f install would remove the package anyways, so not something I would try to automate.
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• 1627[20:08:01] <somiaj> no_gravity: does the package list change at all? Could you already have the reocmmended packages already installed?
• 1628[20:08:17] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, I will comment it out and keep it for reference only then.
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• 1630[20:08:47] <somiaj> trek00: for some reason that was failing for Lady_Aleena, hence why I suggested dpkg followed by apt -f isntall
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• 1637[20:23:45] <no_gravity> somiaj: Maybe .. meanwhile I just installed it .)
• 1638[20:23:49] <no_gravity> somiaj: Maybe .. meanwhile I just installed it :)
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• 1641[20:24:26] <Lady_Aleena> no_gravity, what did you just install?
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• 1643[20:24:33] <no_gravity> Lady_Aleena: git
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• 1645[20:24:43] <no_gravity> This is on a Raspberry PI Zero W.
• 1646[20:24:46] <no_gravity> Currently configuring this cute device for some experiments.
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• 1648[20:26:41] <wikan> hi, do you know good radio app? I want to listen to internet radio stations.
• 1649[20:26:49] <wikan> the best if you know terminal app
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• 1652[20:28:47] <bitblit> I have a fanless laptop.
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• 1658[20:32:44] <meltingwax> i'm moving my debian disk to an ssd right now, is there any configuration i need to do to set my system to optimize for ssd?
• 1659[20:34:40] <wikan> i use ssd and didn't do anything
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• 1661[20:35:06] <wikan> if you are developer I may suggest to setup file system
• 1662[20:35:22] <meltingwax> i expect that i'm going to have to fix grub, because it's set to boot from a specific UUID
• 1663[20:35:28] <meltingwax> what do you mean setup file system wikan ?
• 1664[20:35:32] <meltingwax> i am a "developer"
• 1665[20:36:07] <wikan> there is an option I forgot the name :) but it is size of block - I think Block Size
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• 1667[20:36:37] <wikan> Block Size means minimum size of file
• 1668[20:36:52] <meltingwax> what advantages does changing that give?
• 1669[20:37:03] <wikan> so if file is 0 and block size 4096 - file is 0 but takes 4096 bytes
• 1670[20:37:07] <jhutchins> wikan: replaced-url
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• 1672[20:37:51] <wikan> developers modify files very often so files must be moved under hood many times.
• 1673[20:37:58] <jhutchins> wikan: Most stations have a web-based stream.
• 1674[20:38:13] <kishmesh> hi. i'm gettings this kernel panic eventually leading to a hard freeze using avlinux 20 (debian buster). any idea what this could be? replaced-url
• 1675[20:38:41] <wikan> jhutchins: thanks but I need normal app ;)
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• 1677[20:39:26] <jhutchins> wikan: I don't think there is any infrastructure for that.
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• 1682[20:41:10] <wikan> most music apps supports radio stations
• 1683[20:41:36] <wikan> like clementine rhythmbox but I would like to use not such heavy app
• 1684[20:41:57] <jhutchins> They just use the web interface as a back-end.
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• 1687[20:43:06] <wikan> browser is the most heavy app on desktop nowdays
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• 1696[20:50:01] <m1dnight_> Can anyone tell me how to debug this mdns issue I'm having? All my other servers first resolve newserver.lan to it's local ipv6 address, before trying the ipv4 address.
• 1697[20:50:11] <m1dnight_> this is pretty annoying since it slows down rsycn and ssh and whatnot.
• 1698[20:50:15] <m1dnight_> I have no clue on how to fix this.
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• 1701[20:51:05] <wikan> i turned off ipv6 :)
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• 1703[20:52:32] <wikan> it is annoying when somehow system swich between ipv4 and ipv6 and you don't know why
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• 1707[20:53:00] <trek00> m1dnight_: if you don't need ipv6 try what wikan said: add GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="ipv6.disable=1" to your /etc/default/grub
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• 1710[20:53:48] <wikan> and I think there is cache or something because it remember to use ipv6 after resolveing and I couldn't do anythink
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• 1713[20:54:24] <Dagger> ...don't disable v6. we're long past the point where that's the appropriate solution to anything
• 1714[20:54:31] <trek00> wikan: there is a resolver cache inside libc
• 1715[20:54:31] <Dagger> instead, find and fix whatever the actual problem is
• 1716[20:54:51] <wikan> I don't mean resolver but system network
• 1717[20:55:52] <wikan> it looked like linux was trying randomly to use ipv6 and then what ever I was trying I couldn't switch to ipv4 back
• 1718[20:57:14] <wikan> i was working on lxc container - once container was working on ipv4, another time ipv6 - even when I turned off ipv6 for container
• 1719[20:57:22] <lvrp16> is there an arm64 specific debian channel? having problems with partman hanging on aarch64 during the installer
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• 1721[20:57:44] <wikan> i turned off in grub and use ipv4
• 1722[20:58:09] <trek00> Dagger: ipv6 still has issues after years, i lost the hope
• 1723[20:58:44] <Dagger> it doesn't. my desktop *only* has v6. if it had issues then that wouldn't work
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• 1727[20:59:28] <wikan> only is a key
• 1728[20:59:46] <wikan> i use only ipv4 and it works too ;)
• 1729[20:59:49] <trek00> Dagger: i mean minor issues, like a little latency when using ipv4 but with ipv6 enabled, or log files filled with dhcp messages when ipv6 is not available on dhcpd and so
• 1730[21:00:28] <Dagger> wikan: replaced-url
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• 1732[21:01:17] <Dagger> it works fine when I have v4 too. your problem is somewhere else
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• 1734[21:01:56] <trek00> Dagger: probably the issue resides in many applications with not-so well tested setup
• 1735[21:02:10] <trek00> (the first one i remember was firefox)
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• 1737[21:03:21] <Dagger> Firefox also works fine with v6...
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• 1739[21:03:50] <trek00> good! :)
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• 1741[21:04:37] <wikan> ipv6 is new for many ppl
• 1742[21:05:20] <wikan> i wasn't just USE ipv6 but i was working on network setup
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• 1744[21:06:34] <wikan> ipv6 was to much complicated becouse i couldn't understand why it turns on when I don't want it. Why it is forsed if I control main router. So it is not browseing with ipv6
• 1745[21:07:26] <d0> I felt the same way about IPX
• 1746[21:08:16] <wikan> i had full setup for ipv4 on my virtual network I was using on lxc machines. But somehow linux started to use ipv6 without my configuration and against me. In the result most services couldn't work.
• 1747[21:08:37] <Dagger> v6 isn't very complicated. it's mainly just v4 with longer addresses -- about the only new things are SLAAC and DHCPv6-PD
• 1748[21:08:40] <d0> How long abo?
• 1749[21:08:43] <d0> ago*
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• 1752[21:09:02] <wikan> Dagger: do you administrate networks?
• 1753[21:09:07] <Dagger> yes
• 1754[21:09:17] <d0> The only issues I run into with v6 only hosts are CDNs like fast.ly not supporting it. So github is a pain
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• 1756[21:10:19] <wikan> Dagger: so please, explain me how it is possible when I use ipv4 on host but not ipv6. I setup virtual network and Linux starts to use ipv6 only for virtual network
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• 1758[21:10:37] <Dagger> use of v4 vs v6 is done by sorting DNS results. if the machine has a global, non-ULA/Teredo/6to4 v6 address, it'll sort v6 addresses first, otherwise it'll sort v4 addresses first
• 1759[21:10:40] <wikan> Dagger: asking because maybe I will learn something :)
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• 1761[21:11:00] <Dagger> if you only have a v4 address, then the v6 addresses from a DNS lookup will be tried after all of the v4 addresses
• 1762[21:11:08] <wikan> I don't use ipv6 at all on host
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• 1765[21:11:16] <Dagger> so, you might see v6 connection attempts on a v4-only host if your v4 is broken
• 1766[21:11:29] <wikan> DNS is over my control and is local :)
• 1767[21:12:10] <Dagger> it's also possible if your DNS is broken and sometimes dropping lookups -- if the A lookup is dropped then it'll only have v6 addresses to try
• 1768[21:12:26] <wikan> Dagger: true! But then Linux remembered ipv6 and even I fixed ipv4 it still was trying to use ipv6
• 1769[21:12:59] <trek00> wikan: if it was the same process, this "memory" was the internal libc resolver cache
• 1770[21:12:59] <wikan> Dagger: and even didn;t want to turn ipv4 on
• 1771[21:13:13] <wikan> I mean "ip addr"
• 1772[21:13:37] <wikan> i couldn't receive ipv4 from dhcp
• 1773[21:13:54] <Dagger> I'd really need to see the config to debug it. but not getting a v4 address from DHCP has nothing to do with v6
• 1774[21:14:02] <trek00> Dagger: if ipv6 is enabled but not routed, firefox probably resolves a domain to an ipv6 address, it try it, then when the connection fails it try ipv4 address
• 1775[21:14:05] <wikan> after I turned off ipv6 completely it started to work again
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• 1777[21:14:37] <wikan> Dagger: it is possible the problem was connected with lxc because lxc is really tricky
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• 1779[21:14:49] <Dagger> trek00: if it's enabled but you have no non-link-local v6 address, it's not going to try v6 first
• 1780[21:15:15] <wikan> Dagger: I found some issues ss... maybe
• 1781[21:15:29] <trek00> Dagger: well i see i disabled ipv6 on that machine too, probably i hit some delay
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• 1783[21:15:43] <m1dnight_> I'm going to have to install my entire home network in my new house on ubiquity networks tuff and I'm gonig to take the time then to figure out ipv6
• 1784[21:15:51] <m1dnight_> but it's pretty complicated for non-networking people I have to admit..
• 1785[21:16:37] <wikan> m1dnight_: yeap I am amateur too ;)
• 1786[21:16:38] <Dagger> trek00: if you have one but it can't reach the internet, then sure, it'll try v6 first (how is it supposed to know if it's going to work or not?) -- if connections are failing over v6 then that's the problem you need to debug
• 1787[21:17:12] <trek00> i mean with ipv4 address only but ipv6 enabled kernel
• 1788[21:17:39] <wikan> Dagger: let me ask another question - it is possible to SET priority? Check ipv4 first and then ipv6?
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• 1792[21:18:22] <Dagger> it's possible to adjust the DNS sorting order. but that won't affect DHCP
• 1793[21:18:29] <wikan> Dagger: because first ipv4 error made Linux to use ipv6 even after reboot
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• 1797[21:19:50] <wikan> Dagger: good to know.
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• 1804[21:25:11] <wikan> Dagger: do you agree if I say the best ipv is 4 for virtual machines and lxc containers? Easiest to use ip's for example
• 1805[21:25:39] <wikan> Dagger: because I see it exactly this way
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• 1823[21:44:27] <jim> Lady_Aleena, I downloaded the debian package for zoom, and just installed it. if you don't have everything, try: apt -f install after using dpkg to install the .deb
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• 1826[21:45:12] <jim> that reminds me, I need whatsapp
• 1827[21:45:37] <SomethingGeneric> Isn't whatsapp just an online client tho?
• 1828[21:45:53] <Lady_Aleena> jim, its already done and already used.
• 1829[21:46:02] <jim> oh, it'
• 1830[21:46:07] <jim> is working?
• 1831[21:46:30] <Lady_Aleena> jim, yes. I used it a few hours ago.
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• 1833[21:46:53] <jim> oh, ok :)
• 1834[21:47:33] <Lady_Aleena> jim, I have moved on (in this case back) to another thing.
• 1835[21:47:50] <jim> oh... what's that?
• 1836[21:48:32] <Lady_Aleena> jim, trying to write opening statements for some pages on my site that don't have them currently.
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• 1852[22:02:35] <Dagger> wikan: nope, v4's a pain in the butt. my containers are v6-only where possible
• 1853[22:02:49] <Dagger> you shouldn't be using the IPs for any of your machines -- that's what DNS is for
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• 1877[22:20:21] <otis> hi, i installed 2 lxde and when when gnome i got a broken install, i ran sudo apt --fix-broken install but no success. what can i do?
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• 1883[22:25:30] <uniqdom> Hello, does @reboot and other @keywords work in crontab in Debian?
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• 1888[22:27:32] <uniqdom> From cron's man: Support for /etc/cron.{hourly,daily,weekly,monthly} via /etc/crontab
• 1889[22:27:52] <uniqdom> seems like there's no @reboot support
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• 1891[22:28:54] <Dagger> I'm using @reboot on my system
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• 1899[22:31:51] <uniqdom> Dagger: cool, thanks :)
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• 1901[22:32:33] <oxek> On windows, there is this app called 'Wireless Network Watcher' which despite its name can list all devices connected to your network, not just wirelessly. What would be an equivalent on linux?
• 1902[22:32:36] <oxek> replaced-url
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• 1905[22:33:18] <ratrace> uniqdom: crontab(5) manpage.
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• 1907[22:34:21] <uniqdom> ratrace: I see... I was reading crontab(1). thanks ;)
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• 1909[22:34:42] <d0> oxek: replaced-url
• 1910[22:35:40] <oxek> so basically nmap then?
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• 1913[22:36:08] <d0> There's a whole list, but that would work too
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• 1915[22:36:39] <oxek> d0: in that list, most are GUIs for nmap, others are commercial or not available in/for debian
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• 1917[22:39:00] <sney> that wireless network watcher is probably using nmap under the hood, maybe with lldp or something added on, and windows's own arp cache of course
• 1918[22:39:24] <sney> maybe netbios too since it's windows
• 1919[22:39:48] <oxek> the wireless network watcher is 362KB, so it can't possibly include nmap, can it?
• 1920[22:40:44] <sney> I guess to be more specific it's probably libpcap
• 1921[22:41:19] <sney> anyway, the windows habit of having a utility that does a bunch of different sorta-related things is not as common in linux OSes
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• 1927[22:52:45] <GLAT-agent> I'm selling GNU/Linux licenses
• 1928[22:52:49] <GLAT-agent> $99 for single computer
• 1929[22:52:58] <GLAT-agent> $49 for each computer if purchasing for 25 or more machines
• 1930[22:52:58] <d0> What a deal!
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• 1932[22:53:11] <GLAT-agent> We accept Bitcoin only
• 1933[22:53:12] <oxek> GLAT-agent: what sort of support does that include?
• 1934[22:53:15] * dvs hides his computers
• 1935[22:53:42] <d0> Shame. I only have Monero
• 1936[22:54:38] <GLAT-agent> oxek: just like Debian before GNU/Linux Activation Technologies
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• 1938[22:55:17] <GLAT-agent> However everyone have to purchase a license to use Debian now
• 1939[22:55:31] <GLAT-agent> You also get Certificate of Authenticity and product key
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• 1941[22:56:15] <hl521> Hey I have an issue with Debian, where some of the packages broke. Right now, there is no kernel nor initramfs at boot. How can I resolve this issue?
• 1942[22:56:43] <GLAT-agent> hl521: your Debian copy is not genuine. Please purchase a license.
• 1943[22:57:16] <hl521> okay anyone else that isn't smooth brained?
• 1944[22:57:51] <Brigo> XDD
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• 1946[22:58:22] <d0> We went into their brains and smoothed out their meat.
• 1947[22:58:52] <foncused> debian licences? what did i miss??
• 1948[22:59:00] <Brigo> hl521, we are going to need a more thoroughtfully explanation for that kind of problem.
• 1949[22:59:08] <dvs> hl521, I'd get a Debian install ISO and let it try and fix the boot process
• 1950[22:59:25] <hl521> I mean, I have a gentoo cd in it at the moment and chrooted in
• 1951[22:59:49] <hl521> I was just going to try and pull a kernel like 4.19.0-6-amd64
• 1952[23:00:03] <hl521> but on installation, it just halts
• 1953[23:00:18] <hl521> I thought maybe it's compiling the kernel? But when I checked htop, no cpu resources were being used
• 1954[23:00:51] <hl521> What other information do you need so I can help give you the information to help me haha
• 1955[23:00:54] <Brigo> hl521, please get the debian netinstall and do as dvs told you. It has a pretty nice step by step rescue system.
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• 1957[23:01:24] <Brigo> hl521, how did you get into this problem would be a good start.
• 1958[23:01:36] <hl521> okay, would it have to be a buster netinstall?
• 1959[23:01:57] <hl521> Brigo: something with apache broke, tried to uninstall it and then everything went bork
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• 1961[23:02:20] <dvs> uninstall what? Apache?
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• 1963[23:02:28] <hl521> correct
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• 1965[23:02:55] <hl521> then tried to run: apt update ; apt upgrade -y ; apt autoremove -y ; apt autoclean and command was failing, so I tried to reboot
• 1966[23:03:00] <dvs> Nah. Uninstalling apache shouldn't result with a system that cannot boot
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• 1968[23:03:08] <hl521> then upon boot got greeted with the grub menu :)
• 1969[23:03:28] <hl521> checked out what was in (hd0,1)/ and no kernels/initramfs were present
• 1970[23:03:32] <hl521> so dunno
• 1971[23:04:22] <hl521> debian net install has sshd available, right?
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• 1973[23:05:18] <Brigo> hl521, as a package? i think so.
• 1974[23:05:34] <hl521> I would be really surprised if it doesn't have that by default
• 1975[23:05:39] <toresbe> Hey folks. I'm at my wit's end with an issue. How could it be that I can traceroute an IP and get a 0-hop traceroute, even if that IP address and IP range is _not_ configured as a local interface, makes no appearance in the IP routing tables, nor iptables-save?
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• 1977[23:08:34] <toresbe> The interface _was_ configured at boot, so in that sense ..maybe there's a stale routing table still in memory for some reason?
• 1978[23:10:04] <toresbe> replaced-url
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• 1989[23:19:11] <hl521> something is up with that installer on the cd
• 1990[23:19:19] <hl521> it won't let me change around to rescue
• 1991[23:19:33] <hl521> or really anything, it always brings me to graphical install
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• 1994[23:19:41] <hl521> is there really no other way to just do it from a chroot?
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• 1996[23:20:04] <hl521> I shouldn't *have* to boot from a debian cd to fix an issue
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• 1999[23:22:03] <dvs> hl521, there is probably another way to fix a boot problem but the rescue option is probably the easiest one.
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• 2001[23:22:28] <hl521> yeah, rescue cd definitely isn't working unless I want to do a clean install lmao
• 2002[23:23:34] <joepublic> chroot and install a kernel?
• 2003[23:23:48] <dvs> from a gentoo image
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• 2006[23:24:18] <hl521> joepublic: yeah, tried to do that. on the chroot, I tried installing 4.19.0-6-amd64, and began installing, however it locked up midway through
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• 2008[23:24:37] <joepublic> that's ominously nonspecific in its failure mode
• 2009[23:24:45] <hl521> right
• 2010[23:25:13] <dvs> hl521, you realize there is a new iso image today, right?
• 2011[23:25:47] <hl521> dvs: yeah, I just grabbed the most recent iso file from deb
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• 2013[23:25:58] <hl521> this one right here replaced-url
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• 2015[23:26:16] <dvs> ok
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• 2017[23:26:29] <hl521> but upon boot, couldn't manipulate which choice I wanted to do, and always made me get into graphical install
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• 2020[23:27:15] <dvs> hl521, What did you do to try and "manipulate" the choice?
• 2021[23:27:16] <joepublic> try a different keyboard
• 2022[23:27:31] <hl521> dvs: I pressed the down key
• 2023[23:27:42] <hl521> joepublic: out of curiousity, how would that make a difference?
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• 2025[23:27:54] <hl521> particularly upon other cd's working fine
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• 2027[23:28:03] <joepublic> as to how, not a clue, but sometimes it does in my experience.
• 2028[23:28:08] <hl521> maybe it was just a bad write?
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• 2030[23:28:43] <joepublic> for this workstation, I have to plug in a keyboard to pick from my grub menu, even, rather than rely on my usual keyboard upon which I am typing to you at this moment
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• 2058[23:51:33] <dbristow> Started torrenting 10.4.0 amd64 DVD 1, 2, 3. Hopefully I can get to my usual 3.0 ratio.
• 2059[23:51:57] <dbristow> Think I'll also torrent 10.4.0-live amd64
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