52[00:44:47] <karlpinc> Logg: I never know, but it's always possible that xoff is intercepted and acted on by another layer before it even gets to nano. Certainly if you've got a physical modem it can grab characters right from under your feet. ;-)
56[00:45:58] <Logg> not using my physical modem today, just the regular old terminal emulator. But yeah, I did not know about changelog location, so that is actually very useful
57[00:46:51] <karlpinc> Logg: The "hidden gem" Debian docs are in the readme.debian, found in the same place.
58[00:46:55] <karlpinc> !readme.debian
59[00:46:55] <dpkg> README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
60[00:47:55] <karlpinc> oxek: You also might be interested in the above. ^^
81[00:57:34] <sney> tracker is a good single point of information, easy to reference changelogs, d/control, project homepage, available versions, upload dates, relevant bugs, etc all on one page
88[01:00:43] <cmptr> I'm trying to install Debian Buster on my Dell XPS 9300 but it isn't identifying my NVMe. I have removed the one that came with the laptop and installed a Samsung 970 EVO Plus. I do have SecureBoot enabled and surprisingly I wasn't given any troubles trying to boot off the usb. I also chose to do the install with BUllsEye because I thought it would have support for my Killer Adapter (Which it
89[01:00:45] <cmptr> doens't right off the bat). Is there maybe a driver that I need to include for the Samsung 970 EVO Plus?
91[01:02:03] <karlpinc> cmptr: Do you think it needs non-free firmware? (Did you install with the unoffical installer which includes non-free firmware and installs same?)
92[01:02:24] <karlpinc> !firmware images
93[01:02:24] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
94[01:02:59] <karlpinc> cmptr: You can use a vt to check the installer's console and maybe get into some logs. The installer has at least 3 vts.
95[01:03:00] <karlpinc> !vt
96[01:03:00] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, vt is Virtual Terminal, like the console; change VTs using Alt+Left/Right or Alt+F1, Alt+F2 etc. To get from X to a VT, use Ctrl+Alt+F1 (and Alt+F7 to get back, most likely). You can also use "chvt" to switch VT. VT is also used to mean Intel VT-x or VT-d (virtualization support; the AMD counterpart is called AMD-V or Pacifica), ask me about <xve>.
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98[01:03:33] <karlpinc> cmptr: (You are having trouble during the install, right?)
102[01:07:37] <cmptr> I actually did use the unnoficial installed that inluded the non-free firmware hoping that it would include the Killer adapter to of which it did not. I will try to see some logs with VT whcih I have not done yet. It also asked me if I wanted to force intall with UEFI which I chose no because I didn't want to lose my Windows install. I will be afk for a bit, but I do appriciate any help. Thank
103[01:07:39] <cmptr> you in advance. I will report when I am back.
141[01:42:01] <sney> linux systems in general are pretty closed off by default. it's not like windows where it's constantly sticking its fingers into the rest of the network
142[01:42:04] <f8e4> how to review all available routes? every protocol has ports and uses a network interface is that all ?
144[01:42:42] <sney> you can look at e.g. 'ss -l' to see what's listening. but on a default buster install an attacker would pretty much need local hardware access to get in
145[01:42:48] <f8e4> eg i can ping a debian machine by default
147[01:43:23] <f8e4> thats bad, it should be silent
148[01:43:30] <sney> ping is not a security hole
149[01:43:48] <f8e4> leaking info is bad
150[01:43:50] <sney> morons spreading that particular bit of bullshit have caused more networking problems than I can count
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152[01:44:16] <sney> go read the ICMP standard and tell me what "info" is "leaking"
153[01:44:51] <annadane> you do need specific practices if you run, like, apache, wordpress, certain other applications to do with servers, but if you're doing that you're probably going to read up about the process anyway and understand the risks involved
155[01:45:17] <annadane> but just stock debian without specific considerations, no you don't necessarily need to go around setting up firewalls and closing off ports etc
169[01:48:14] <sney> that's a botnet. there are lots of botnets that will try to ssh into your system. sshd defaults in debian will protect you from those with no modification.
170[01:48:21] <sney> you can do more to reduce the network load. but it's minimal anyway.
179[01:50:41] <f8e4> or bind eg postgres to allow only one external
180[01:51:26] <sney> don't run sql over an open network if you can help it. vpns or tunnels are nice if you need remote sql, otherwise just bind it to localhost
181[01:51:47] <f8e4> sney i hvae to open to use remote dbcs to connect to it
182[01:52:02] <f8e4> tunnels are unstable ssh -L or spiped ugh
183[01:52:58] <f8e4> will go read some stuff
184[01:53:11] <sney> postgres is pretty smart about login control too. you can do all sorts of stuff to limit who even gets to *try* to log in
185[01:53:38] <f8e4> yup listen_address if i had a static ip :D
186[01:53:52] <f8e4> currently = '*' everyone invited
187[01:54:11] <f8e4> put i think pg got their stuff figured.
188[01:54:35] <sney> more than listen_address. pg_hba.conf gives you lots of control
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270[02:43:45] <annadane> is it just that you can't boot? because the backport kernel is 5.5 i think
271[02:43:51] <sponix> annadane: I've not seen complaints in the ##hardware channel. Lots of folks in there with Ryzen chips running Linux, and working fine
310[03:21:25] <cmptr> I didn't have an issue booting off my usb in uefi mode on my laptop with secure boot enabled, but do you think that could have been what caused the NVMe to not be seen?
324[03:30:40] <cmptr> I know I had some issues with it being enabled on my other laptop when trying to install nvidia drivers.
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326[03:31:20] <sponix> cmptr: well, the "secure" portion is flawed making it worthless is the main one. And it can hinder things like nvidia drivers from loading with Linux (and other kernel modules like virtualbox) being a pretty good 2nd
327[03:31:28] <sney> Secure boot is sometimes pointless, depending on the environment. replaced-url
328[03:31:51] <sponix> just another MS failed attempt at security IMHO
329[03:32:20] <cmptr> I agree with you on that with it being MS failed attempt.
330[03:33:10] <cmptr> Do you think disabling it will help with the drive showing up?
332[03:33:54] <sponix> cmptr: I find it unlikely. But turning it off won't hurt for sure
333[03:34:07] <cmptr> And if I choose the option to force UEFI installation, will it mess with my Windows Installation?
334[03:34:33] <sponix> cmptr: see what "modes" are available for that nvme slot. If it is on Raid or something turn it to native nvme, sata, or ahci -- anything but raid (in that order)
336[03:35:25] <sponix> cmptr: If Windows is installed EFI, you will be fine with both doing EFI. If one is Legacy, and the other EFI though -- you could have issues with both OS's even listing in the grub boot menu
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339[03:36:03] <sponix> with a machine new enough to have nvme though, I'd say you most likely need to be booting/installing both of them in EFI mode
340[03:36:11] <cmptr> sponix: I'm not sure if it is on RAID or not, but if it is and I change it, it will for sure mess up the windows installation. I also don't have legacy enabled. All is UEFI.
341[03:37:12] <cmptr> When you say "EFI mode", you mean lagacy, correct?
343[03:37:40] <sponix> cmptr: if you toggle it and do the Linux Install. Grub if placed in the EFI fat32 partition (probably already made by the Windows install) -- can likely still boot both just fine
347[03:38:29] <sponix> and CSM is some compatibility mode that kinda bridges the gap
348[03:38:56] <sponix> sney: step in if I'm wrong on any of that. I am very OLD, and the EFI stuff is still kinda new to me lol
349[03:39:41] <cmptr> Okay. I have CSM disabled. I know with UEFI you sometimes need to install keys as I did with my previous laptop to boot in that mode, but witht his laptop, I seem to not have any issues with that which I am glad of.
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351[03:40:53] <trek00> cmptr: which motherboard model do you have?
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358[03:43:18] <cmptr> trek00: I'm not sure of the motherboard of the laptop, the cpu is i7 1065G7, so it does use the new Intel Iris Plus graphics. I have the dell XPS 13 9300 with 16GB of 3733MHz DDR4 with the 512GB NVMe which I switched out for a Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB
359[03:44:37] <cmptr> Oh and it is the one with the UHD display.
360[03:44:48] <trek00> cmptr: sorry i thought you had issues with nvme but i just read more on the chatlog :)
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364[03:45:45] <cmptr> I was a bit confused when you asked about the mobo because I was like "This is a laptop, not a desktop" :pp
365[03:46:27] <sney> sponix: confirmed, you wouldn't see legacy bios and nvme in the same system
366[03:47:32] <cmptr> Also, being that it is a new laptop with new hardware, I don't know if I should use Buster or Bullseye. I know that with using testing in the past I ran into some package problems with KDE, gcc and other compiler/programming packages being installed.
367[03:48:13] <sney> testing is a moving target. sometimes it's fine for normal use, sometimes it isn't.
369[03:48:25] <cmptr> Should I just use Buster and grabs the drivers for my laptop separatly? Enable backports? BUild my own kernel?
370[03:48:49] <sney> I would try to use buster at first, with backports as necessary, and move up to bullseye if necessary
371[03:48:55] <trek00> cmptr: usually i suggest stable with backported kernel, but to know you really need to try (may be running debian live stable to see if it's ok)
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419[04:31:37] <somiaj> Arnold_X-P: if you are courious if that is a standard convention, some times you can find that info in /etc/services, though I'm not seeing eggdrop mentioned there, maybe go read eggdrops docs as to default port
420[04:33:06] <Arnold_X-P> default port eggdrop 3333 or 4444
450[04:49:35] <greenbagels> if "apt update" tells me that 1622 packages are ready to update, and apt.systemd.daily has been running for the past like, 3 hours, is it safe to assume that it's been trying to update all these packages?
451[04:51:52] <dvs> greenbagels, or it's waiting for a prompt to be answered.
452[04:52:04] <greenbagels> dvs: a prompt that will never be answered...?
453[04:52:18] <greenbagels> there's no network traffic so maybe you're right...
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482[05:20:46] <sney> R0b0t1: that question is probably best put to the hardware vendor. but broadly, you can figure out a lot of driver stuff by grepping your kernel's config file in /boot
496[05:24:30] <sney> you'd want to figure out the name of the driver by looking at config and any other info you have about the hardware, then look at modinfo to figure out if it takes any parameters there, maybe look at the driver source if the options are really obscure, then look in /proc and /sys to see what interfaces there are or maybe it manifests as a character node in /dev
497[05:25:06] <sney> "device tree" might refer to /dev but it's very rare that any configuration is done in /dev.
510[05:29:25] <sney> also if you got an i2c node in /dev, it sounds like the kernel figured out what driver to use, so you can also grep the output of dmesg to find out what driver it is
568[05:51:15] <somiaj> there is ##linux for those who want general linux support
569[05:51:56] <BazookaToof> i mean technically you shouldn't be asking for support here either but that's besides the point
570[05:52:05] <somiaj> Use the support community for the correct distro is also a sign of respect for the community (lying to get support does show off character)
571[05:52:11] <R0b0t1> true, I appreciate being put up with
572[05:52:26] <R0b0t1> well yes but I am going to point out I got further with the advice I received here than anywhere else
573[05:52:31] <R0b0t1> if people are talking about debian I let off
574[05:52:35] <R0b0t1> :)
575[05:53:06] <somiaj> well we are a good community, but you should really bring debian questions here, to respect our volunteers
576[05:53:10] <cmptr> Okay, so I have just installed Debian Buster (Without setting up the network because my Wi-Fi card isn't in the bundled installer kernel). I have backports enabled. Right now I am on Windows. What do I need to download to install the driver for my Wi-Fi card? I'm guessing first the backported kernel image and headers, then install it with `sudo apt-get -fV install <Path to package>
577[05:53:11] <cmptr> --no-install-recommends`?
578[05:53:33] <somiaj> cmptr: are you positive you need a backport kernel and not just firmware?
579[05:54:10] <BazookaToof> R0b0t1: yeah but depending on how the channel feels at the time.. "debian-based" usually just means go elsewhere. arch is just way more harsh about it
580[05:54:20] <somiaj> cmptr: assume you really need the backport kernel, you need a) the backport kernel package, b) the linux-common package that goes with it, and c) the firmware for your wifi device package.
581[05:54:32] <somiaj> cmptr: if you don't need the backport kernel, you can get away with just the firmware package from buster.
582[05:55:50] <cmptr> Let me double check if 4.19 has support for Killer ax1650
583[05:55:51] <somiaj> R0b0t1: it is a combination of techenical reasons (what works in debian doesn't always work in derivatives, and us spending hours figuring out why something that should work doesn't, only to find out you are running debian is frustrating) and social reasons, we are volunteers and you should respect our choice to support debian. If we wanted to support other distros we would be in that channel (man are in
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585[05:55:57] <somiaj> multiple places)
586[05:55:59] <BazookaToof> R0b0t1: i just mention the alarm channel because the devs (think there are just 2) may not mind someone asking where to look, not how to fix your problem
587[05:56:27] <somiaj> R0b0t1: arg, 'you aren't running debian'... had a typo
588[05:56:56] <trek00> R0b0t1: have you tried to set cpufreq via sysfs?
589[05:57:11] <R0b0t1> somiaj: yeah I understand most of the reasons
590[05:57:14] <BazookaToof> somiaj: yeah that's why arch is pretty hostile about people being not being clear on what they are using
591[05:57:19] <R0b0t1> trek00: ok that is actually hilarious and would work, but I think I can just slow it down
592[05:57:42] <somiaj> BazookaToof: we try not to be as hositl, but we also try to point people to correct support channels and not continue to offer support.
593[05:57:43] <cmptr> I'm reading that the driver for the Killer AX1650 is included in 5.1+. Does anyone want to verify that for me?
594[05:57:57] <BazookaToof> yup i know :)
595[05:58:12] <somiaj> cmptr: I would go with that, and download all three. Did you use the offical or unoffical firmware installer?
596[05:58:35] <cmptr> I used the official Buster net installer.
597[05:58:40] <somiaj> cmptr: sometimes support is eariler as a staging driver, but if you see 5.1, I would use that.
598[05:59:13] <R0b0t1> somiaj: fwiw I'm pretty close to the solution now, deal with a lot of arm or hardware specific channels is there's only one or two people typically that know what is going on
599[05:59:17] <somiaj> cmptr: well you could try just the firmware if you really wanted, there is a very quick test, once you boot into the system run 'dmesg | grep -i firmware' if you see messages about failed to load firmware from the wifi driver/module, you have support but not firmware
600[05:59:20] <R0b0t1> I mostly wanted to make sure there wasn't something obvious I missed
601[05:59:43] <somiaj> cmptr: if you don't see any messages about failing to load firmware for the wifi driver/mdoule, you don't have support. Here I would assume you don't and get the backport kernel, linux-common, and firmware.
602[06:00:33] <somiaj> R0b0t1: ##linux can be helpful to for genera linux style support
608[06:01:42] <R0b0t1> yeah I needed to know about dietpi anyway
609[06:01:57] <R0b0t1> nice
610[06:02:10] <cmptr> When trying to detect my network hardware with the buster installer, it didn't list what drivers I needed, but using the testing installer, it did show what drivers I needed. I don't know if that says anything or not.
613[06:03:57] <trek00> cmptr: testing have newer kernel, you need kernel 5.1 at least, so use the one from backports
614[06:04:02] <somiaj> cmptr: as I said, I would belive the 5.1, and go with the backport kernel/firmware, I was just double checking that it was a kernel version and not just firmware.
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633[06:16:56] <cmptr> What about the firmware-nonfree package? Or can I just download the firmware-iwlwifi package and that will suffice?
634[06:17:41] <trek00> cmptr: it should suffice for your wireless card
635[06:19:00] <cmptr> trek00: somiaj had mentioned that I would need the linux-common package that goes with the backported kernel. WIll this still be needed?
673[06:40:37] <somiaj> strk: it might be lsb_release is still seeing something from debian 8 confusing it, for some reason I thikn parts of lsb toosl were removed in debian 8, so that coudl explain it.
1056[12:36:04] <dey_t00k_my_nick> 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.16.204 80]
1057[12:37:14] <dey_t00k_my_nick> I think it has something to do with me trying to install steam the other day, and adding the i386, but not sure. either way, mesa does not wanting to install.
1059[12:37:36] <BazookaToof> just going to point you to the cve library related to zoom but hopefully someone else is awake
1060[12:38:59] <dey_t00k_my_nick> Yeah well, i hate this application, it's the worse video conferencing application i ever used, and I used skype... but 'tis what we do now.
1170[14:34:18] <abrotman> a lot of this may depend on desired features. I basically need it to scan a directory/sub-directories .. and just shuffle
1171[14:34:34] <bt40> great thanks guys
1172[14:34:46] <bt40> one more question as a newbie
1173[14:35:19] <bt40> can we install software from ubuntu repositories of cource by manually adding them in sources.list or manually adding ppa?
1174[14:36:10] <cybercrypto> bt40: Yes, you can do that. And you are responsible for testing and for any issues you find (in case of some)
1175[14:36:40] <dvs> ???
1176[14:37:13] <bt40> thanks cubercrypto
1177[14:37:27] <dvs> !frankendebian
1178[14:37:27] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
1179[14:37:37] <cybercrypto> bt40: Believe me, you dont need to use ubuntu repositories in debian. (you can if you want)
1225[14:55:34] <greycat> I would imagine Wayland in testing works basically the same as Wayland in stable. However that works. Because I really do not know. It's not explained anywhere I've ever found.
1268[15:41:25] <cybercrypto> mzajc: You could use pastebin to avoid flood in the channel. I am reading your message above, unfortunatelly I do not have much experience with radeon cards.
1288[15:45:59] <greycat> or from one kernel's subdirectory to another, without rebuilding
1289[15:46:03] <mzajc> nope, I don't remember doing that
1290[15:46:26] <mzajc> I did copy some missing firmware from the firmware git tree into /lib/firmware, but that it
1291[15:46:37] <mzajc> actually, I think that wasn't even on this system
1292[15:46:45] <greycat> or... hmm, actually these aren't *kernel* modules at all... they're not *.ko files, they're *.so files
1293[15:46:52] <mzajc> indeed
1294[15:47:27] <otis> hi, is there anybody who uses oh-my-zsh ?
1295[15:47:54] <greycat> !anyone
1296[15:47:54] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
1297[15:48:28] <otis> the dedicated channel has only bots!
1298[15:48:43] <BazookaTooth> #zsh?
1299[15:49:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1301
1300[15:49:05] <greycat> maybe everyone except the bots is waiting for you to ask your real question
1305[15:49:40] <BazookaTooth> see greycat's comment
1306[15:49:57] <mzajc> greycat: I did use this script to install opencl support, though. could it have caused the issue? replaced-url
1307[15:51:05] <greycat> "I ran a random script from shithub" counts as "doing something sketchy by hand". I don't know enough to actually *read* it and tell you how broken it is, but it's on shithub, so I'm just going to guess "yes".
1308[15:51:27] <cybercrypto> otis: How can I answer something if there is no question? :-) greycat is trying to help, please ask your question, describe your issue and what your trying to achieve and, hopefully someone will give you some advice.
1309[15:51:28] <nyuszika7h> is there a way to stop smartd from emailing me every day about an unchanged Current Pending Sector Count?
1310[15:51:36] <nyuszika7h> I do want to get notified if it changes
1311[15:51:43] <mzajc> I assume not since I have checked it before blindly running
1312[15:51:55] <mzajc> and it only ever does stuff in the /opt directory
1329[16:03:02] <Akuw> the less the offset is in nt the better ?
1330[16:03:55] <Akuw> using "ntpq -p" for offset i got -3180 and another has -40.425
1331[16:04:10] <Akuw> the first has a diference of 5 minutes
1332[16:05:09] <otis> im a newbie in git
1333[16:06:03] <otis> but your address lists the complete list of plugins available
1334[16:06:09] <cybercrypto> Akuw: Yes. offset displays difference after conplex math for network latency/RRT etc.. querying external ntp servers. 5 minutes = not good. (have you just started your server or?
1335[16:07:38] <otis> i believe the git is ok. how can i test?
1336[16:08:06] <cybercrypto> otis: I may be wrong, but if you check their git project, they do not provide .git for cloning just pluggins. You may ask directly there if you really want just 'colored-man-pages'. I am afraid I cannot give you a better answer now.
1340[16:10:39] <cybercrypto> Akuw: drift file can be used for 'slicing time difference' slowly so the systems do not get impacted (in case you cannot stop service). If you can stop NTP service for a momment, tou can force time adjustment using ntpdate -u pool.ntp.org; after that you start your ntp server again.
1341[16:11:13] <Akuw> ok
1342[16:11:32] <Akuw> i am checking but the time showed by "date" is same in both
1343[16:11:39] <Akuw> the problem is in java app
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1351[16:17:11] <cybercrypto> Akuw: is the system time difference conpared to java time = equals the GMT=0 and your timezone?
1352[16:17:56] <cybercrypto> Akuw: if so, my guess is that java is not using timezone correctly. if not :-) I am clueless about it... dont know about your app.
1353[16:18:24] <Akuw> but the same app is runnng in 3 diferent places
1354[16:18:36] <Akuw> the only diference is NTP server used
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1356[16:21:49] <cybercrypto> Akuw: ntp server and java app runs on the same debian server?
1357[16:22:10] <Akuw> no
1358[16:23:15] <greycat> if there's a question about accuracy of one's clock, it should be diagnosed with standard command line tools first, before touching the horror show known as Java
1409[16:53:14] <petn-randall> Akuw: The device should be reachable via /dev/sr0.
1410[16:53:33] <Akuw> ok
1411[16:53:36] <Akuw> let me check
1412[16:53:54] <petn-randall> Akuw: So I assume your DE will allow you to mount any disks in it, and any burner will allow you to use it to burn disks (if the device supports it).
1413[16:54:10] <Akuw> let me try, i will let you know
1434[17:03:49] <Akuw> petn-randall: trying to mount ---> mount: /media/cdrom0: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sr0, missing codepage or helper program, or other error.
1438[17:06:23] <cybercrypto> Akuw: what was the mount command you used? What filesystem you choosed when you wrote data into the media you trying to mount using the external CD-ROM?
1441[17:08:39] <cybercrypto> Akuw: ISO9660 is the most common used... (jouliet extension)
1442[17:08:57] <Akuw> yes
1443[17:09:02] <trek00> Akuw: is the cd media valid? can you read it from another cdrom? and is che cd drive powered? attached to an usb 3 port or with AC adapter?
1444[17:09:24] <Akuw> is powerred by USB
1445[17:09:36] <trek00> Akuw: via an usb 3 port?
1446[17:09:42] <Akuw> i use 2 diferent CDs
1447[17:09:42] <petn-randall> Akuw: I'm assuming the disk is unreadable.
1448[17:09:43] <greycat> Joliet and Rock Ridge are the common extensions to ISO 9660 to support filenames that are not EIGHT.THR;1
1449[17:10:01] <petn-randall> Akuw: Or the optical sensor is defect.
1450[17:10:07] <Akuw> hummm
1451[17:10:10] <Akuw> could be
1452[17:10:13] <Akuw> i have to check
1453[17:10:14] <Akuw> wait
1454[17:10:26] <petn-randall> Akuw: I've only ever got those errors when backing up scratched disks.
1500[17:26:53] <BazookaTooth> trek00: i have not seen an external writer need a y cable for power in over a decade. and if it needed one, it would have been included
1529[17:33:56] <petn-randall> trek00: They're *all* powered. You're working from wrong assumptions.
1530[17:33:57] <BazookaTooth> right
1531[17:34:28] <trek00> i assume the windows-pc is not that T420 laptop with linux
1532[17:34:36] <greycat> A USB port with the lightning symbol is powered even when the computer is turned off. That's all.
1533[17:34:37] <Akuw> i did test all usb ports but got same results
1534[17:35:01] <Akuw> windows pc is using widnows
1535[17:35:06] <Akuw> *windows
1536[17:35:16] <BazookaTooth> Akuw: did you use powered usb hub on the windows machine?
1537[17:35:25] <trek00> Akuw: windows it's not on the T420, rigth?
1538[17:35:27] <Akuw> yes
1539[17:35:32] <petn-randall> trek00: Only difference between usb2 and 3 in that regard is that 3 allows higher power draw. But if the drive needs usb3-level power draw and the port can't give it, that would be logged in the kernel.
1540[17:35:35] <Akuw> trek00: no
1541[17:35:39] <Akuw> is another model
1542[17:35:45] <trek00> good
1543[17:36:31] <trek00> petn-randall: i don't see any error messages on the devices i own if i put them on an usb2 port
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1553[17:41:25] <cybercrypto> Akuw: by any chance, dont you have any way to power source your usb-cd-rom-external using any spare adaptor or hub you may have around?
1565[17:46:03] <cybercrypto> Akuw: I have a bad (but quite good) idea :-) Boot a live debian image using your windows-pc-hardware and plug it, and see if it mounts ok. PC-USB hardware variable will be eliminated in this test.
1566[17:46:10] <cybercrypto> Akuw: just saying... :-)
1567[17:46:48] <Akuw> hummmm
1568[17:46:52] <Akuw> well
1569[17:47:01] <Akuw> i have to prepare a USB Stick
1570[17:47:31] <dvs> Akuw, cybercrypto means a live CD on a CD
1577[17:51:03] <cybercrypto> Akuw: no. I meant a live USB to boot windows-hardware and get debian live running. After that, he can plug cd-rom-usb into widowns-pc-hardware-running-debian-live and check how it goes.
1579[17:51:37] <Akuw> ok, the only thing i can do is boot from USB live
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1581[17:51:52] <Akuw> i have no internal CDROM
1582[17:52:54] <cybercrypto> my suggestion has a single purpose: test if debian generic kernel will mount your cd-rom using the PC-hardware that you already know that works with windows
1584[17:53:39] <cybercrypto> Akuw: if that pass ok, you can check modules loaded and compare. if they are the same, you are most probably facing a usb-power problem.
1593[17:56:23] <cybercrypto> Akuw: a much simpler verification is to power-source you USB-CDROM (using a borrowed hub adaptor) before you plug it in your thinkpad, and test again.
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1602[18:01:59] <cybercrypto> Akuw: good luck, cya!
1603[18:02:28] <BazookaTooth> pretty typical for a usb writer... doesn't come with a y cable and i'm pretty sure the label says 5v @ 1.6amps replaced-url
1609[18:11:08] <Arcaik> Hi there, I’m running on Debian Sid and I can’t use Jitsi anymore since Firefox was upgraded to 76.0. Basically users with Firefox 76 on Debian Sid can’t see or hear (and can’t be seen or heard by) other people in the room (I tested on 3 different laptops). Is there anything I may have missed with the Firefox 76 upgrade? Should I report a bug on the Debian bug tracker?
1614[18:15:23] <annadane> Arcaik, possibly report a bug if there isn't one filed already, and/or to troubleshoot your issue ask on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
1615[18:15:58] <netcrash> Hello, "@hourly gapps /opt/script.sh " I'm using this entry on a cron.d/script file , is this correct? It's not getting executed.
1616[18:16:08] <trek00> Akuw: anyway if you read the specs, it says: "5 VDC < 800 mA Read (typical at O.D.)"
1617[18:16:37] <Akuw> that means ?
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1621[18:17:55] <trek00> Akuw: that you need a powered usb hub or an ac adapter to connect it to your T420 (if you already tried to connect the drive to all the usb ports)
1622[18:18:14] <BazookaTooth> tldr; trek00 is right. your laptop's usb bus is too anemic power it :D
1623[18:18:21] <Akuw> jejeej
1624[18:18:30] <Akuw> yes, just now i read the specs
1625[18:18:42] <Akuw> please, dont talk bad about my baby
1656[18:29:53] <somiaj> broseph: you can grab it from buster backports. Teh only reason it didn't make it into buster was the matainers didn't have time to udate it to the current version to fix some rc bugs during the release, but it is still free and works just fine.
1694[19:03:02] <andhoy> hi guys, trying to install debian on a HP proliant G7. I have put the firmware on a usb stick with fat32. Load missing firmware does nothing, so mounted the fat filesystem. And now, how to make installer make use of the fw files?
1695[19:03:21] <greycat> !firmare images
1696[19:03:26] <greycat> !firmware images
1697[19:03:27] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
1698[19:03:52] <andhoy> Seriously, I'm using this one. Just downloaded it.
1699[19:04:23] <greycat> but you're claiming that you need even MORE firmware that's not included on it?
1789[20:11:34] <joepublic> cp is a cryptic two-letter unixy hacker command for sure. The Power!(tm)
1790[20:12:49] <ircuser65> Hey, I want to install a control panel for hosting administration, ispconfig is my first election, can anyone recommend me another? I just exploring options
1851[20:55:18] <flok> hi is this the right channel for packaging support? I've packaged a library and an application and would like to submit them to debian. I've sent e-mails for RFP
1885[21:17:04] <saptech> I recently got an Epson WF-3720 AIO printer. I have the printer & scanner working, but I can't get it to scan using the Document Feeder. Does anyone have idea why or how to get it to work? Running Buster
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1887[21:18:08] <sney> does the ADF work in general? can you copy with it using the printer control panel?
1888[21:18:28] <saptech> yes I can copy and it scans using the flatbed
1900[21:23:15] <saptech> sney, when I choose scan, computer, a message appears saying install Epson Event Manager software to use this feature. I haven't seen that and believe it may be a Windows program
1909[21:26:02] <Morg0th> Hey there, if I want to have more up-to-date packages (compared to the last versions that I can find on github and such), is it a good idea to switch to Debian Testing (from Buster)? Or should I rather manually build and install the packages I want to be up-to-date?
1910[21:26:40] <saptech> karlpinc, sney, here are the drivers page replaced-url
1912[21:27:43] <sney> Morg0th: testing is a moving target. sometimes it's fine for desktop usage and sometimes it isn't. if you're comfortable tinkering with stuff yourself and reporting bugs you find, sure, upgrade. otherwise, use buster-backports
1926[21:33:38] <sney> proprietary crap is so annoying. "here's a package that works with your OS, but the dependencies don't make any sense because we just cargo culted the control file, good luck"
1927[21:33:53] <somiaj> Morg0th: sometimes the amount or what newer software you need can be a factor. Often times it is easy enough to build a few select newer peices of software on buster and install in /usr/local, /opt, or $HOME
1928[21:34:14] <somiaj> Morg0th: though if the software won't build, or you have to build tons of dependencies, then maybe buster isn't that useful for your usecase
1932[21:38:31] <saptech> I'll just have to manually scan documents if its more then a couple....grrr
1933[21:39:03] <saptech> my older Brother AIO used the ADF and it was old enough to vote... :)
1934[21:39:55] <somiaj> saptech: does that printer have a built in scanner/emailer, some of them you can configure to do the scanning and just email the result vs control it from yoru computer
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1942[21:46:56] <somiaj> saptech: at my office, all of our copiers/scanners, we just have on the network and then use its internal functions to email the document, they can be configured to send .jpg or .pdf of the full scan
1948[21:52:12] <saptech> hmmm, when I look at scan to email, it show, "configure an email server to use". I should be able to use gmail or my isp email server? Is this how to set it up?
1981[22:24:19] <broseph> So to install from backports, do I need to add a repo? Or can I just download it and install?
1982[22:25:07] <sney> !buster-backports
1983[22:25:07] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See replaced-url
2000[22:36:36] <somiaj> broseph: also depends on the software, not all software is in backports (I missed what software you wanted a newer version off)
2026[22:56:57] <fly_agaric> I don't want to get unwanted software on my smartphone like the super cool corona app you know
2027[22:57:17] <loeken> burn your phone then
2028[22:57:48] <fly_agaric> yes i ll do that eventually with my samsung galaxy phone
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2030[22:58:28] <jhutchins> saptech: Have you tried xsane?
2031[22:59:45] <saptech> jhutchins, using the flatbed, it will scan using xsane & simple-scan, nothing happens using the ADF. It scans an empty page but does not pull the document through to the scanner
2032[23:01:01] <saptech> the printer is connected using usb port
2033[23:01:12] <fly_agaric> i need basically a phone where I can safely disable everything which could track me like mobile internet and gsm so that the "phone" is basically a small client which does only connect via wifi
2041[23:03:34] <fly_agaric> my phone should behave like a good old fatclient
2042[23:03:54] <jhutchins> vvor: It depends on which tool you use. If you're actually concerned about alignment, format the target and do a file copy (rsync) instead of an image.
2049[23:05:56] <trek00> fly_agaric: may be you could search on the supported hardware list of LineageOS
2050[23:07:40] <nvz> fly_agaric: well you may want to come up with better reasoning, or be less concerned cause considering the fact the baseband in thse things is all black box crap you can't hardly trust it to turn anything off
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2056[23:09:15] <fly_agaric> i really don't like android better a phone with real debian on it.
2057[23:09:49] <nvz> personally I think there is a conspiracy at work.. cause there are 3 companies I know of that all have working open phones.. yet none of them are for sale cause the everyone that tries it gets hung up on passing govt regulations
2058[23:10:29] <nvz> and I dont like android either really but debian doesnt really have the kinds of UI and apps to do most things you'd wanna do on a phone
2059[23:10:51] <fly_agaric> I only want to browse the web and sip telephony
2060[23:10:52] <ahmed1hsn> Debian wiki is giving 403 forbidden error on my phone.
2061[23:11:00] <fly_agaric> no other apps
2062[23:11:06] <jhutchins> Emptional reactions to hardware and software are irrational.
2063[23:11:14] <trek00> vvor: probably not, you should check via fdisk on the hdd to see if it is already aligned for ssd or not
2069[23:14:09] <fly_agaric> jhutchins: does not have anything to do with emotional reactions i know that android is doing shit all around the world
2070[23:14:14] <BazookaTooth> fly_agaric: not gonna happen. only thing even remotely close is probably a small tablet with a stripped down netrunner installation
2072[23:15:13] <nvz> if your concerns are due to folk talking about tracking recently.. thats not new, and its only possible because the devices can be activated remotely.. and its not a software thing..
2073[23:15:26] <ahmed1hsn> I can't access Debian wiki due to 403 forbidden error, any solutions?
2074[23:15:41] <nvz> the phone company, emergency services, etc can turn your radios back on mremotely..
2075[23:15:44] <trek00> ahmed1hsn: which page?
2076[23:16:04] <nvz> because the PHONE part of it has baked in proprietary technology
2077[23:16:15] <ahmed1hsn> trek00: none of them, I tried many
2078[23:16:33] <trek00> ahmed1hsn: i can surf it without issues
2079[23:16:39] <nvz> so basically what you're saying is you dont want the PHONE at all.. you just want an ipod touch kinda thing.. that has no baseband to begin with
2080[23:17:03] <vvor> trek00: jhutchins: Thanks, I'm aware of dd, rsync, cp options. And my question stands... :)
2081[23:17:14] <fly_agaric> well if its a blockbox why can't i take out the blackbox part of the phone?
2082[23:17:28] <fly_agaric> i mean not with software but with hardware
2083[23:17:43] <fly_agaric> then nothing can be remotely activated
2084[23:18:08] <ahmed1hsn> trekk00: maybe my ip is optionally blocked
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2087[23:19:27] <nvz> fly_agaric: well I'm sure you can.. get a heat gun a guitar string.. after you seperate the glue binding your digitizer to your lcd, and get that all apart without breaking anything, then get out your surface mount soldering kit.. and look for the QFP that is the baseband processor... heh
2088[23:19:45] <greycat> !wiki403
2089[23:19:45] <dpkg> If your IP address is blocked from the Debian wiki, please mail wiki@debian.org with your IP address. See also <replaced-url
2090[23:19:55] <nvz> and really these days the baseband is probably embedded in an SoC
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2103[23:25:18] <loeken> ahmed1hsn try if you can find the page you're looking for on web.archive.org
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2105[23:26:36] <ahmed1hsn> I downloaded .iso image of DVD1 few hours ago, before downloading everything was fine, and wiki blocked after it downloaded.
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2120[23:35:49] <nvz> that loads with and without vpn for me
2121[23:36:02] <greycat> !wiki403
2122[23:36:03] <dpkg> If your IP address is blocked from the Debian wiki, please mail wiki@debian.org with your IP address. See also <replaced-url
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2124[23:37:05] <sponix2ipfw> greycat: bit ironic that it links them to the Debian wiki for more information lol
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2126[23:37:44] <greycat> There is no other place to send them. Yes, I know that the people affected can't see the message that tells them what to do. That's why I copied it into the bot factoid.
2134[23:41:12] <jhutchins> ahmed1hsn: You could also cycle your network device if you have a dynamic external IP.
2135[23:41:48] <greycat> It's not the browser.
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2137[23:41:51] <ahmed1hsn> Turns out the wifi device I'm using is somehow blocked, tried from different phone connected to same device, it's forbidden there as well
2140[23:42:13] <nvz> you can also use riseup-vpn its not in debian but there is a deb package available and the archive keyring for that package is in debian
2141[23:42:19] <jhutchins> ahmed1hsn: What about replaced-url
2142[23:42:28] <greycat> *sigh*
2143[23:42:40] <ahmed1hsn> I downloaded .iso few hours ago, I think that caused problem
2144[23:42:40] <greycat> Come one, I've triggered the god damned factoid TWICE now.
2145[23:42:52] <greycat> The wiki does not know what you downloaded.
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2147[23:43:05] <ahmed1hsn> greycat: thanks, I've seen it