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19[00:10:17] <rekishi> invra: my buster box gives software full speed up, but when running speedtest or any user DL from outside network, it throttles to 4Mb
20[00:10:18] <sney> rekishi: that other guy was right that my idea was a shot in the dark, but if you're having network throughput issues even when nothing is running, it still suggests a lower level issue.
21[00:10:50] <rekishi> sney: i checked iftop, and transmission is outputting at 35Mb (which I pay for)
28[00:13:37] <rekishi> mason: so the entire system was on hardrives on a dell workstation ported to a new barebones chenbro, on the previous hardware I had no issues with throttling or transmission choking out other processes, new hardware -- new issues, which do not persist in other operating systems
29[00:13:54] <rekishi> sney: are there buster compatability issues with 5.4?
42[00:18:58] <invra> sney: wah i typed /me gives a beer to sney.. and all of a sudden weechat crashed, screen crashed and i got kicked out of aws ssh istance... lol wtf
106[00:54:41] <annadane> (note that that's su - and not su and yes there is a difference
107[00:54:43] <annadane> )
108[00:54:45] <annadane> !buster su
109[00:54:45] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
168[01:41:08] * annadane has heard some horror stories about btrfs, people prefer zfs
169[01:41:21] <EdePopede> Gigglebyte: does the chromium-sandbox (iirc) really run SUID root? i just looked into the .deb, and was left with the impression it needs it.
170[01:41:42] <somiaj> zfs has only been in linux for a while, and at one point I thougth there was some push to make btrfs the core filesystem, but that didn't happen.
171[01:41:51] <hierbat> thank you, it is interesting to see what's out there but I'll stick with the default install for now then!
172[01:42:05] <hierbat> yeah seems like btrfs has been around for 12 years too
173[01:42:21] <somiaj> with lvm, you can get some of the volume capaiblities of zfs/btrfs as well, and have some additional features.
230[02:38:04] <velix> Interesting, Debian doesn't have /etc/dir_colors, but directly `eval`s the output of dircolors. When I need to change the colors for directories, I need to use `sed`. I think, this is a bug.
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288[03:10:14] <ksk> ..And there have been lengthy discussions about if https actually protect you in anyway, let alone hide which packages you are downloading (it might now, to my knowledge)
291[03:14:00] <dragonfly28362> indeed i just installed apt-transport-https now. to use the https how do i have to upgrade? with apt the ordinary way? apt upgrade?
292[03:15:19] <dragonfly28362> if i use synaptic package manager, witch i prefer, i believe it is https automatic right?
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320[03:30:28] <x09x> there's a solution to this but the codebase of apt must be refactored and many distros & systems will break, so yeah that's why Debian still uses http
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324[03:34:50] <somiaj> that is a bit old, and maybe as more and more mirrors get valid certs (with letseyncrypt this is now less of a pain and issue than it use to be), maybe it will be enabled by default, I was just sharing some info about why debian has stuck with http, and the safeguards they have in place, and https is avilable for mirrors which support it
341[03:55:45] <cyveris> x0n: Who gives a shit if you're installing metasploit? No one cares about you, or anyone else that might be installing metasploit.
349[03:56:52] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
363[03:59:47] <cyveris> ksk: There is on oftc, according to debwiki
364[03:59:57] <ksk> kk.
365[04:00:16] <somiaj> cyveris: are the matainer of the package, or someone else making a backport?
366[04:00:22] <cyveris> Someone else.
367[04:00:54] <kline> cyveris, i do think its relevant that some people may not want others on the path between them and the mirror to know *what* packages are being downloaded
368[04:00:59] <kline> and reasonable
369[04:01:03] <nvz> I just had a random curiousity about something.. I'm guessing programs like Transmission (bittorrent) do this because they're downloading things non-sequentially.. but it seems like it reserves the space beforehand.. but I dont really understand fully the how/why of it and it confuses me when trying to figure out if I have enough disk space and torrents are downloading taking up space they dont occupy
370[04:01:16] <somiaj> cyveris: Have you ever been a matainer? anyways, I'm looking up the details, but as a non matainer backport I think it is a bit more work.
371[04:01:17] <nvz> I'm not really even sure if its allocating it all up front or what
372[04:01:29] <cyveris> somiaj: I have never been, sadly. :/
373[04:01:43] <cyveris> I might hop over to oftc and inquire there.
374[04:01:57] <ksk> nvz: it most likely just pre-allocated for every file. look for an option in the client?
375[04:02:16] <nvz> yeah that'd make it even more complicated
376[04:02:35] <somiaj> cyveris: I know the process to get packages into debian better than backports, so I am seeing if I can find any useful information, otherwise I'll point you someplace you might be able to answer that question.
377[04:02:44] <cyveris> Thanks!
378[04:02:55] <nvz> like right now the drive I have mounted on /home on that machine is down to like 21G used.. between active and pending downloads I probably have near 100GB to download
380[04:03:21] <ksk> utilize `ncdu' to see where all the space has gone ;)
381[04:03:30] <ksk> most likely "ncdu -x /home"
382[04:03:31] <nvz> I'm almost certain it'll all fit on there.. but what I'm not certain is, wht has been allocated already and what hasnt
383[04:03:31] <kline> nvz, "torrents taking up space they dont [*yet*] occupy". technically it should be easier as you dont have a moving target. if you have 20GB on your torrent partition, and 1 torrent in flight currently at 2GB used, will your new 10GB torrent fit?
386[04:04:10] <nvz> I know exactly where the space has gone :P
387[04:04:17] <kline> nvz, if the in-flight torrent in 5GB, then yes. if it's 15GB, then no. if the torrent client preallocates the 15GB is needs upfront for that torrent, then you have an accurate representation immediately
388[04:04:27] <nvz> what I dont grasp is space reserved and not yet occupied
389[04:04:45] <kline> i mean, it's just the opposite of a sparse file: replaced-url
390[04:05:16] <nvz> kline: it seems like thats whats occuring, that when the torren starts to download it pre-allocates and file managers show the space as no longer available.. for the entire torrent
391[04:05:41] <nvz> where it gets complicated is when you have two active, two queued but already started to download some, and two not yet started..
392[04:05:46] <kline> but the most trivial thing to do is if you have a 10GB torrent file coming down, to open a file, write 10GB of 0s, then update by overwriting each chunk as it arrives
393[04:05:48] <nvz> trying to figure out whats what
394[04:05:59] <kline> very naive though
395[04:05:59] <nvz> I know it'll all fit cause I trust my calculations before I started all this
396[04:06:16] <nvz> but what I dont like is not being able to look at it and tell whats going on :P
397[04:06:21] <nvz> and not really understanding why
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399[04:06:33] <nvz> I vaguely grasp whats happeneing..
400[04:07:09] <kline> remember that the torrent client isnt just guarding against you messing up
401[04:07:31] <somiaj> cyveris: This is what it appears to me, first you should be able to matain and support that package through the life of buster, this means being able to update it as testing gets updates and security fixes. After that you should file a wish-list bug and ask the matainer (maybe provdie them whave you have done). If the matainer doens't want to matain the backport, you can then choose to do so, and it
402[04:07:32] <kline> pre-allocating disk space means that things like log-files will get errors for running out of disk space that the torrent client knows it will need
403[04:07:37] <somiaj> appears the process for a non-matainer is similar to any other package and you get to use mentors.debian.net to upload it to and get a sponsor.
404[04:07:44] <EdePopede> if it's possible to write a specific block of the file then it would definitely make sense. "start at $offset and write these $size blocks".
405[04:07:53] <kline> it would be pretty frustrating if a torrent failed because a log file grew oversized
406[04:07:55] <kline> EdePopede, you can
407[04:08:14] <somiaj> cyveris: here is the basic guide lines for getting a package into debian via a mentor, replaced-url
408[04:08:16] <nvz> kline: yeah I get why it'd be beneficial, just not so much the mechanism at play reserving space ilke that.. only reserve I'm familiar with is the FS level reserved blocks for root..
409[04:08:28] <EdePopede> i had already midnight commander telling me that the disk is full right before the copy finished. not nice.
410[04:08:30] <cyveris> somiaj: Thanks a ton!
411[04:08:32] <nvz> I also dont really understand the method used by this client well enough
412[04:08:50] <nvz> I been just assuming it reserves the whole amount upfront when any data from that torrent first hits the disk
413[04:08:52] <kline> easiest thing to do is go and look at the source of your favourite client
414[04:09:05] <kline> thatll tell you the actual truth
415[04:09:08] <nvz> yeah.. probably not :P
416[04:09:17] <kline> what client is it?
417[04:09:30] <nvz> pretty sure transmission is not only written in C, which I barely grok, but its got so many damn pieces..
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419[04:10:04] <lwp> nvz, in general the torrent protocol is randomly downloading small bits of the total file, not sequential at all, so it makes sense to reserve the entire space at the outset
420[04:10:19] <nvz> lwp: I know, and I said as much on the outset
437[04:12:46] <kline> it's used here in "tr_sys_file_preallocate()"
438[04:13:26] <nvz> kline: yeah well I'll have to investigate it more.. but the dialogue helped me think more on it
439[04:13:39] <nvz> didnt even contemplate the possibility its doing this per-file
440[04:13:49] <nvz> which if thats the case, thats much harder to keep track of
441[04:14:03] <kline> im not really sure what you're trying to achieve
442[04:14:16] <nvz> its trivial to know its gonna pre-allocate the entire torrent.. I got the torrents total size and size downloaded so far at a glance..
443[04:14:33] <nvz> but if its randomly during downloading creating and pre-allocating new files..
444[04:14:41] <nvz> thats just a f'n mess
445[04:15:02] <nvz> I have no way of easily telling when these chunks of data are of a new file that will be pre-allocated
446[04:15:09] <kline> is this causing you an actual problem, though?
447[04:15:25] <nvz> not yet.. other than having to watch the shit too damn closely
448[04:15:32] <kline> too closely for what?
449[04:15:35] <nvz> cause I dont know enough to know if I can just leave it
450[04:15:51] <lwp> my favored solution to this problem, is to have WAY more empty disk space than I will need, and then not worry about it.
451[04:15:52] <nvz> I dont know if I'm out of space or if my original calculations were correct
452[04:15:54] <kline> are you trying to micro your disk space by moving files on and off a filesystem that youve overcommitted?
455[04:16:40] <nvz> na, I'm just downloading new stuff I'm gonna put on my file server eventually.. but my file server is like 90mi away and here I only have a 1TB drive thats almost full now :P
457[04:17:03] <kline> the preallocation means that you're not likely to accidentally overcommit yourself
458[04:17:19] <nvz> I could if its doing it per-file as it gets to each file
459[04:17:21] <ladderff> Hello, possible regression upgrading to buster on a macbook pro 5,5: no /dev/video0 for the built-in camera. Wasn't a problem on stretch!
460[04:17:25] <kline> if you download 5x10GB torrents onto a 40GB drive, itll tell you in advance
461[04:17:35] <nvz> if its doing it as I thought, per-torrent every time.. thats predictable
462[04:17:59] <EdePopede> <nvz> space reserved for files not yet written.. thats a foriegn concept to me <-- that's just like you reserving some space in the house before bringing in all the furniture
463[04:18:06] <nvz> I then know my 21GB remaining is 21GB remaining minus the remaining undownloaded portions of any torrents
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465[04:18:24] <kline> nvz, just pretend that all your files download instantly
466[04:18:29] <nvz> cause right now I got 3 torrents with progress.. but only two are downloading one is queued
467[04:18:29] <kline> (just you cant use them until later)
468[04:18:42] <nvz> so I am not sure if all 3 of those are accounted for or what
469[04:19:21] <EdePopede> the torrents are quarantined until everything is in place
470[04:19:38] <nvz> cause I had put a roughly 5 and 10 GB torrent in there as well.. those have no progress so far.. and should fit in the 21GB or so remaining easily
471[04:20:04] <nvz> but if any of the not yet downloaded files in the current two torrents or queued partially downloaded torrent are still not accounted for..
473[04:21:42] <EdePopede> nvz, i'd check right before and after starting it. if it happens everytime i'd assume it would also happen next time you don't check it.
475[04:22:22] <nvz> nm it seems to be treating the pre-allocated files like they're actually there so I guess its fine.. I can click a directory its downloading and go to properties and see it says 6GB used even though the torrent has only downloaded 1GB so far
476[04:22:36] <nvz> so I can actually check with the filemanager and see the allocated space
477[04:22:38] <kline> if its a 6GB file in the torrent
478[04:22:44] <kline> and it's 6GB "on disk"
479[04:22:48] <kline> and only 1GB has downloaded
480[04:22:57] <kline> you can trust its only ever going to be 6GB
481[04:22:57] <EdePopede> 5 to go?
482[04:22:58] <nvz> I thought it was only showing me that the space was no longer available, but not showing it actually in use
483[04:23:09] <nvz> but I guess its showing both
484[04:23:21] <nvz> which is fine.. as long as I know how to tell whats happening
486[04:23:59] <EdePopede> does the client have its own bookkeeping on the reserved space? so that if something fails it would delete this partial file and free all the space (or continue later, whatever)
487[04:24:10] <nvz> kline: I mean clicking on the parent folder.. any good torrent with more than a file typically is inside a directory
488[04:24:38] <nvz> EdePopede: that I wasnt sure of either.. hence the current issue where I have things I've started but then queued
489[04:24:46] <nvz> are they garbage collected when inactive?
490[04:25:06] <nvz> but now I got a better handle on it to figure it out I guess
491[04:26:07] <EdePopede> as long as the fs doesn't have a "reserved" flag for the blocks but only "used" then i see no other option than letting the client handle this.
492[04:26:09] <nvz> I oft micromanage torrenting.. I'll turn crap up as far as number of peers and simultaneous downloads then turn it down.. sometimes start things above my simultaneous downloads when one torrent is showing little bandwidth usage.. etc.
493[04:26:18] <nvz> I just wanna know how to go about this when space is an issue
494[04:26:46] <nvz> up to now I had no way of knowing for sure out of paused, queued, downloading torrents exactly what was accounted for already and what wasnt
495[04:27:01] <nvz> now I got a better idea and know how to figure it out :P
496[04:27:20] <kline> nvz, best would be to ask the community/developers of your client
497[04:27:23] <nvz> idk what made me think the file managers and stuff wouldnt see the space in use
498[04:27:25] <kline> they will know the actual behaviour
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500[04:27:33] <nvz> cause they sure show it not available anymore
501[04:27:34] <EdePopede> maybe downloading a segment, tagging the block as work in progress, data transfer, tagging as used.
502[04:27:36] <kline> i can tell you that you can ask linux to preallocate you files
503[04:27:46] <nvz> I just couldnt grasp how to find usage of a file thats not there yet :P
504[04:28:04] <nvz> now I know I can just click the parent directory and see its usage.. it should equal the total torrent
505[04:28:16] <nvz> despite how much the torrent client said is downloaded
506[04:28:31] <EdePopede> yeah, midnight commander also has a Preallocate Space option
509[04:29:02] <nvz> it dodnt seem to me like it worked like say chrome/chromium where it just creates a file then fills it up
510[04:29:11] <nvz> calls em .crdownload until they're finished
511[04:29:18] <EdePopede> gah
512[04:29:27] <nvz> seemed like it was doing some black magic shit to me :P
513[04:29:29] <EdePopede> or .part like youtube.dl
514[04:30:27] <nvz> but mind you, I was one of those kids who when they were teaching us base 10 in grade school.. you got the 1s, 10s, 100s, 1000s place.. you put a number in this place and.. blah blah blah
515[04:30:36] <EdePopede> there was a user once in firefox with a networked /home and the browser was downloading to /tmp first and then transferred it over the network. not really effective.
516[04:30:45] <nvz> then like 3rd grade came around and they dropped this 100,000 thing on me and I just couldnt grasp it
517[04:30:53] <nvz> cause 100 comes before 1000
518[04:30:59] <EdePopede> heh
519[04:31:00] <nvz> hundred-thousand sounded ridiculous to me
522[04:31:28] <EdePopede> because you're english language-wise
523[04:31:44] <EdePopede> germans are used to it, 13 already is three-ten :P
524[04:31:57] <nvz> yeah and that means we were never taught not to try make sense of the language
525[04:32:09] <nvz> which is a futile struggle
526[04:32:22] <nvz> we drive on parkways and park on driveways
527[04:32:30] <EdePopede> if you *really* want to do this you don't get around its history
528[04:32:35] <EdePopede> heh
529[04:33:49] <gZen0n> Hi, I need to move/copy/delete several files recursively, all formatted with a same pattern (^FSCK[0-9]*) but located in diferent directories with undefined depth. I can list them with "find . | grep mypattern", but how could I work on them in the same time ? I want to copy them for bkup, delete those which are 0o sized and rename others. Thanks
530[04:34:18] <nvz> find supports an exec option
531[04:34:25] <nvz> there is no need to pipe with find
532[04:34:46] <nvz> I am no find guru though so I will not comment further on the specifics
533[04:34:59] <gZen0n> Ok thanks
534[04:35:37] <nvz> but really to someone who is savvy with find, its a trivial oneliner, and fwiw #bash is often quite handy for such questions
535[04:35:38] <EdePopede> like: -exec rm {} \;
536[04:35:56] <EdePopede> or + instead of \; if it's ok to do it in parallel
537[04:36:34] <nvz> they dont seem to mind questions related to shell utilities as they're just like libraries of sorts extending the language..
538[04:37:04] <nvz> either way folks in #bash would all be more savvy with use of the shell for such things if you can't get help here
545[04:39:12] <gZen0n> @EdePopede, Yes, I was going to use exiftool to get the extension for renaming files, does it seems ok ?
546[04:39:18] <nvz> gZen0n: na, if you're on debian its a debian question as much as a bash one.. but what I do is ask myself is my question specific to one or another.. and in this case the answer is no.. so the next question is, where are folk likely to know/help the most?
547[04:40:31] <nvz> like I personally while I do not condone support of non-debian distros, I do think armbian debian versions can be supported cause they use our packages unmodified.. their repos contain only kernel, driver type stuff.. so if your question isnt hardware/kernel related, its applicable and reproducible here
548[04:40:39] <EdePopede> gZen0n: filetype recognition? gives you more info than just file(1) i guess, no idea if this is really needed
549[04:40:49] <nvz> they literally use our repos.. they dont even mirror them
550[04:41:04] <nvz> their repos have like a dozen or so packages thats it
552[04:41:44] <nvz> though on the other hand I dont really condone kde support even on pure debian in here :P
553[04:41:58] <nvz> cause most of us just dont use it, and you're better off in #debian-kde :D
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555[04:43:09] <gZen0n> @EdePopede, as the pattern implied, these are recovered files after a ddrescue. and "file --extension" answers ???, while "exiftool -T" answers right extensions
556[04:43:16] <nvz> just gotta know both what will suit your situation best as well as respect the supporters.. this question was a case where it was just as applicable one place as another but one place (here) is rather idle and only a subset of the folks here will have firm grasp of advanced shell usages
562[04:45:13] <nvz> gZen0n: fwiw there is also globstar and extglob you can ask about in #bash or lookup.. they're shell modes that expand the capabilities of globs to allow things like recursion
563[04:45:33] <nvz> I've used it before but its not strong enough in my toolkit to know it off the top of my head
564[04:45:36] <gZen0n> @EdePopede, Yes, i'm reading file manual, and I see mime-type option, but the output format is not "raw"
565[04:45:51] <EdePopede> xsx i got a hit! mpv-shot0001: jpeg/jpg/jpe/jfif
566[04:46:05] <nvz> with an extended glob doing recursion you don't need find per-se
567[04:47:16] <nvz> thats one of the odd bits about bash.. is that it has all these shell modes that change the syntax and behavior of the language :P
568[04:47:39] <EdePopede> btw, "find | grep". if the output of ls is not to be trusted, what about find?
569[04:47:45] <nvz> you manipulate them with shopt if you're not familiar
570[04:47:50] <gZen0n> @nvz I didn't expect #bash was more active, godod to know
571[04:48:17] <nvz> gZen0n: yes both #debian channels have gotten slower in recent years except during certain times of the day
572[04:48:32] <nvz> I sit in #bash too among others, and its far more active
573[04:49:07] <gZen0n> @EdePopede, find is recursive in whatever depth
574[04:49:25] <EdePopede> gZen0n: it was about weird filenames iirc
575[04:49:41] <EdePopede> like they could include \0 or line breaks
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579[04:52:47] <gZen0n> Well thank you for your suggestions, I will then write a script ( I was hoping to find a "one-line command", as I didn't script for a while :P)
612[05:04:42] <nvz> -s1,8 are most common for commands 1 is user, 8 is root, 5 is config files also.. beyond 1,5,8 the rest is more programmer stuff :P
613[05:05:58] <EdePopede> are the others ones still in use? with n,p,s added or other stuff?
636[05:23:01] <velix> It's damn hard to work with debian.org, since the pages automatically switch to my native language, which is often translate a bad way.
676[06:22:03] <colemickens> Is there something wrong with the current Buster live images? Gnome-shell is completely unusable in a qemu/kvm VM. I use this same config regularly with other debian-based distros running gnome-shell without issue/
689[06:35:26] <colemickens> oh sorry, I thought you asked if I was running unstable for some reason.
690[06:35:56] <colemickens> Yeah, the CPU gets pegged to 80% basically the entire time and the shell just sort of hangs at some point. Not just slow but all input ceases to work. Yet, I used Tails a while back and it worked fine in the same environment.
712[06:56:13] <rottentomatoes> colemickens: in low resources pc you must rely on lots of swap wich is trouble if is live, lots of ram is greatfor performance cpu come in second place
719[06:57:41] <colemickens> Yup, worked like a charm
720[06:57:42] <rottentomatoes> gnome is heavier
721[06:58:07] <colemickens> I understand. But I don't understand why gnome-shell would work fine on a downstream of debian, but not in debian. I doubt the Tails forlks are perf-patching gnome.
778[08:10:06] <pingfloyd> colemickens: there's also contrib and non-free which are optional
779[08:11:25] <pingfloyd> colemickens: it contains the one, because that's the most floss one. floss as possible by default, and then the user can decide how much they want to taint their installation.
780[08:11:42] <colemickens> let me be more clear
781[08:11:47] <colemickens> the live disk is missing the security repo
782[08:11:54] <colemickens> is that intentional, or am I mistaken?
783[08:11:57] <pingfloyd> oh
784[08:12:10] <pingfloyd> if it's stable, you should add it
788[08:13:13] <pingfloyd> that is, we get our security updates there, through upstream
789[08:13:22] <colemickens> hm, okay. I'll add this to my list to circle back on, I was under the impression I was on a stable disk. (seems low pri, I assume it's correct after an install)
795[08:14:26] <pingfloyd> I suspect it is an oversight, or the image being used, isn't very well handled.
796[08:15:42] <pingfloyd> in short, it's a bad idea to not have the security repo with stable, because of how updates are maintained between the branches.
797[08:16:42] <pingfloyd> i.e., new stuff gets added to sid and if it passes, trickles down into testing. Stable happens after testing is frozen and moved over.
798[08:17:21] <pingfloyd> so less of an issue on the rolling side of it, but huge one on the stable release side.
799[08:18:29] <pingfloyd> stable is extremely dependant on security backports (what the security repo is full of) in maintaining a decent level of security
800[08:19:19] <warsoul> pingfloyd a good sources.list how it should look
802[08:20:34] <fury__> trying to install debian in a bhyve VM. I've mounted the installer ISO, and for some reason I'm at a bootloader. the prompt says "OK ". very little/confusing google results, since googling the word "OK" is nearly impossible, and I don't know what this is other than I can guess it's the bootloader. how do I load the kernel and boot into the installer?
817[08:25:17] <fury__> I am at a bootloader, and need to know how to load the kernel. really simple, impossible to google. all I need to know is how to load the kernel.
818[08:25:27] <fury__> pingfloyd: yes, I've used this image before. it's fine.
819[08:25:36] <pingfloyd> fury__: then this must be an issue with your hypervisor
820[08:25:39] <fury__> again, just need to know how to load the kernel. nevermind why I'm at a bootloader.
821[08:25:52] <pingfloyd> fury__: possibly your setting for the VM
822[08:26:00] <fury__> generally, the kernel needs to be loaded manually for bhyve.
823[08:26:14] <pingfloyd> bootloader is what loads the kernel
824[08:26:21] <fury__> I just need to know the command to load the kernel. again, really simple, impossible to google. I'll wait for somebody who knows how to load the kernel manually from the installation ISO.
825[08:26:35] <fury__> let's not get into discussions that aren't relevant
826[08:26:43] <mathgrad> try 'linux vmlinuz-*'
827[08:26:50] <mathgrad> dunno if it'll work
828[08:27:05] <fury__> linux is an "unknown command". that's probably a grub thing, this prompt says "OK "
829[08:27:07] <pingfloyd> fury__: does your machine use EFI?
830[08:27:50] <pingfloyd> or I should say the VM
831[08:28:09] <pingfloyd> I think you're rather SOL if it doesn't
832[08:28:51] <fury__> the vm works fine generally. I'm at the bootloader. let's not talk about VMs. I just need to know how to load the kernel at an "OK " prompt.
833[08:28:52] <rottentomatoes> isnt it a freeBSD issue? replaced-url
834[08:29:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1240
835[08:29:26] <fury__> again, I just need to know how to load the kernel from an "OK " prompt, and I can handle the rest.
836[08:29:35] <fury__> it is not a freebsd "issue"
837[08:29:44] <fury__> it's not an issue at all, just need to load the kernel from the bootloader.
847[08:32:11] <pingfloyd> that sounds like a pretty ridiculous limit
848[08:32:29] <jim> fury__, I googled for 'boot loader witn "ok" prompt', and there's a good chance it's the freebsd boot loader
849[08:33:18] <pingfloyd> 'sysutils/grub2-bhyve is required to run Linux or any other guests that need a Grub bootloader.'
850[08:33:29] <jim> I can't go down the path of which one, I don't know what all the versions there are
851[08:33:37] <pingfloyd> 'sysutils/bhyve-firmware is required to run UEFI guests'
852[08:33:40] <fury__> yeah that's what I'm using
853[08:33:48] <pingfloyd> looks like those are you two options here
854[08:34:09] <fury__> yeah I'm a bit further along than that
855[08:34:20] <fury__> looks like this might be a task for tomorrow hah
856[08:34:22] <fury__> thanks anyway
857[08:34:27] <pingfloyd> fury__: beyond that, you should probably consult their support resources. This is hardly a debian issue, let alone even a linux issue.
858[08:35:00] <fury__> didn't come here for any of that - just came here to ask how to load the kernel.
859[08:35:28] <pingfloyd> likely a specific issue with bhyve
860[08:35:41] <fury__> and have tried more than a few times to steer the discussion away from bhyve/freebsd/et al
862[08:36:11] <pingfloyd> fury__: how to boot a kernel directly, is dependant upon bhyve
863[08:36:24] <fury__> but so far other than mathgrad suggesting something that didn't work for me, have only received input on things I didn't ask about
864[08:36:26] <fury__> no, it isn't
865[08:36:30] <pingfloyd> fury__: the facilities it provides to do so
866[08:36:34] <pingfloyd> fury__: yes it is
867[08:36:35] <fury__> I'm asking how to boot the linux kernel from the linux bootloader
868[08:36:43] <fury__> that is the entirety of my question
869[08:36:48] <fury__> and I'll again steer the discussion away from bhyve
870[08:36:58] <pingfloyd> it's not a debian issue
871[08:37:14] <fury__> it is, because again, I'm not asking about anything related to anything but linux
872[08:37:19] <pingfloyd> do you go to the pet store for work on your car?
873[08:37:22] <fury__> I am asking how to load the linux kernel from the linux bootloader
874[08:37:26] <fury__> which part do you not understand
875[08:37:32] <pingfloyd> because you like to give your pets rides?
876[08:37:37] <pingfloyd> fury__: you're not getting it
877[08:37:54] <fury__> how do I boot the linux kernel from the linux bootloader
878[08:37:59] <fury__> literally the only question I'm asking
879[08:38:04] <fury__> I can take care of the rest
880[08:38:16] <fury__> I do not have a single question about bhyve or freebsd
881[08:38:20] <warsoul> pingfloyd i have a debian9 vps how can i upgrade to debian 10
882[08:38:24] <fury__> believe me I know how to boot a freebsd kernel from the freebsd bootloader
883[08:38:31] <fury__> my question has absolutely nothing to do with that
884[08:38:34] <warsoul> without loosing the data
885[08:38:34] <jim> fury__, can we zoom out for a moment, what is it you're trying to do?
886[08:38:34] <pingfloyd> this isn't freebsd
887[08:38:39] <pingfloyd> fury__: get it through your head
903[08:41:24] <dpkg> #debian is for Debian users and Debian-related questions. We aren't experts on other distributions, and it gets frustrating when people from other distributions ask for help in here. Use your common sense and ask in a channel where they know your distribution.
904[08:42:00] <fury__> pingfloyd: you're not paying attention. you're so hung up on being right, that you're not bothering to read what I'm saying. I gotta go, thanks anyway.
915[08:54:12] <EdePopede> pingfloyd: i'd blame the lockdown at least partially. people getting frustrated, going nuts, kids looking for some fun or what they consider being some.
916[08:54:38] <EdePopede> and the idiocracy level rising in general
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1062[11:31:29] <jim> my personal view, I run debian because I know debian devs work their ass off, and through that and through their analytic ability, they make debian a very high quality dist
1069[11:36:22] <jim> does that have to do with the quality of suse? I don't know, but I don't think so... quality of a dist depends on how trustable each person is, and ultimately how trustable each software item is
1080[11:48:26] <brutser> jim: i just wanted to install veracrypt and since that's not in the official debian packages, i could either add some repository or download .deb from the veracrypt site and install it
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1082[11:49:03] <brutser> that opensuse site has many repositories for debian as well
1083[11:49:25] <brutser> anyway,, i decided to just grab the .deb file and install it
1096[11:56:16] <jim> brutser, usually, before the next revision of a dist is released, the dev/maintainers of that dist will test the packages together to make sure they all work together; a failure could mean either the software that failed doesnt' get included, or, it delays the release until it can get fixed
1109[12:01:58] <ratrace> brutser: separte what you want run once into a script, then in .xsessionrc [ -f /path/to/that/script ] && <execute it> [ -f /path/to/that/script ] && rm /path/to/that/script
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1111[12:02:27] <brutser> ok
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1138[12:19:34] <shtrb> using rsyslog 8.1901 (debian stable ) , how do I properly use properties to select messages from something which arrive from a different server , I tried replaced-url
1162[12:48:05] <shtrb> trek00, thanks ! it will stop (I think) but I wish to use the variables (such code will also take localhost messages into it's own folder which I do not wish to do )
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1169[12:49:40] <shtrb> server side , I get the logs , I just wish to have remote messages in their own folder and not in the general logs (but not to change the local logs on the server in any way )
1170[12:50:09] <shtrb> I was working with replaced-url
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1185[13:05:07] <brutser> ah yes, that is because the conky config file is in old format i need to convert that to the new format
1186[13:05:16] <tomreyn> brutser: notify-send (line 55) is an on-screen notification utility. you're possibly missing a relevant message there because it's not installed
1263[13:41:48] <simplicius> but it seems to be corrupted I cannot see the bar at the bottom of the screen when playing
1264[13:41:52] <knob> tomreyn, wow, that's the best way I've seen it described. Because usually, if one mentions to change the port, people start screaming that it's not security. Yet "reduce the noise" is a good way to describe it. I like it.
1267[13:42:21] <knob> simplicius, but does it actually run?
1268[13:42:45] <cyveris> knob: When people talk about changing the port, they're usually presenting it as a security measure. You're right, it's not. But can it reduce log volumes? Absolutely.
1269[13:43:10] <simplicius> yes it run but they told me "there's either something else wrong in your environment or your binary"
1270[13:43:14] <knob> cyveris, exactly. That reduction is probably worth it.
1271[13:44:14] <cyveris> knob: For most people, yeah. I'm a weirdo - I send spurious auth data and IDS events to my employer's SOC. They use it for training for new analysts.
1322[14:18:56] <Exagone313> Hi, it seems debian buster kernel doesn't have CONFIG_CGROUP_HUGETLB enabled, which is required for an app I want to use (cilium in kubernetes). Are you aware of a custom kernel having that config, or do I need to build a kernel manually (which wouldn't be nice to automate)? Thanks for your help.
1332[14:28:12] <brutser> hi, i install the following for audio: sudo apt install --no-install-recommends -y pulseaudio pnmixer pavucontrol << but pnmixer is giving some issues, what are good alternatives?
1368[15:11:11] <trek00> Exagone313: you just download the kernel version you like (the same of debian for example), copy then modify the config and compile with make deb-pkg to create a nice debian package
1372[15:13:42] <jaakkos> networkd seems to remember interface Name= assigned from .link files after reboot, even if those files are long gones. How does it remember them? I'd like to get back to original persistent network names
1395[15:29:57] <trek00> shtrb: try with the if-then, as the documentation says: rsyslog v7+ does no longer support BSD-style blocks for technical reasons. So it is strongly recommended not to use them.
1416[15:46:54] <shtrb> trek00, It seems that I didn't read correctly the documenation for the compare operator , the doc says "Compares the “value” string provided and the property contents. These two values must be exactly equal to match. The difference to contains is that contains searches for the value anywhere inside the property value, whereas all characters must be identical for isequal. As such, isequal is most useful for fields like syslogtag or FROMHOST, wh
1417[15:46:55] <shtrb> ere you probably know the exact contents." but I used a property !
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1421[15:49:21] <Exagone313> trek00: thanks I'll guess I'll build kernel, software in question may not be easy to patch. after installing built packages, do I need to hold kernel packages to make sure these aren't replaced by repo packages?
1557[17:26:21] <zodd> I am trying to cast to a chromecast device from a Buster laptop. Regardless of fw settings or even fw off the caster (starting with the easiest: chromium) the device (TV) is never found. A windows laptop has no issues; same for android phones
1558[17:26:36] <zodd> am I missing a kernel module or ... ?
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1618[18:00:29] <annadane> or ##linux, but generally, people on irc lurk, so you should probably just wait for an answer in #armbian, cross-posting isn't a great habit to get into
1619[18:00:37] <annadane> unless i guess you need an answer *now*
1620[18:00:44] <abrotman> and it's OT here
1621[18:02:12] <epsilonKNOT> nah, not in too much of hurry
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1623[18:02:29] <epsilonKNOT> we used dd like so: dd if=armbian...img of=/dev/mmcblk0 status=progress
1624[18:02:43] <epsilonKNOT> but then when we screened using screen 1500000
1625[18:02:53] <epsilonKNOT> it just showed some weird symbols
1648[18:17:50] <vlt> Hello. How can I predict the name of the first eth device to prepare /etc/network/interfaces? On one machine I got "enp1s0", on another "ens3" ...
1683[18:29:37] <amprxc> Hello, I'm using debian 10. I'm trying to hide the output in the terminal when I execute this command (from my script) : timeout "$_deauth_time_in_sec" aireplay-ng -0 0 -a $_bssid -c $_station_to_deauth $_interface_name & > /dev/null 2>&1. But I still see the deauth messages. How can I hide its ? Thanks
1684[18:29:56] <warsoul> trek00 is a tcl for a eggdrop
1685[18:30:34] <trek00> amprxc: put the & sign after the redirection
1699[18:39:37] <LtL> warsoul: note, you may have to specify locations of two tcl files when compiling. It doesn't always find them, use 'find' to locate them and the syntax to use when using ./configure .. it will tell you the syntax, very easy.
1910[20:46:28] <sney> missing firmware for the wifi card
1911[20:46:30] <sney> !firmware live
1912[20:46:31] <dpkg> Unofficial <live> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for Debian 10 "Buster" as a live OS are available at replaced-url
1913[20:46:36] <sponix> Henry151: if you haven't already -- might try the "non-free" it has firmware/drivers not included in the regular installer
1914[20:46:39] <Henry151> it's broadcom bcm43xx stuff so i installed firmware-b43-installer
1915[20:47:04] <sney> b43 is a mess and can be a pain to get working manually. I think the firmware live iso would be a quicker approach
1920[20:47:25] <Henry151> so i don't really want to start from a blank one again
1921[20:47:47] <Henry151> anything other than firmware-b43-installer that i might try that might work?
1922[20:47:53] <sney> !b43
1923[20:47:54] <dpkg> b43 is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. replaced-url
1924[20:48:03] <sney> the wiki page should list a few options
1925[20:48:57] <Henry151> thank you.
1926[20:49:35] <Henry151> and, side question, if i install a firmware package, is there any way to get debian to "see" it, without rebooting?
1927[20:49:51] <sney> reload the module in question
1928[20:49:55] <Henry151> like, from the wiki i see there is b43legacy and so i just installed that, do i have to reboot to see if it worked?
1929[20:49:58] <Henry151> oh
1930[20:50:01] <Henry151> ok
1931[20:50:09] <sney> so for b43 you would do 'modprobe -r b43;modprobe b43'
1999[21:39:38] <rozenglass> f8e4: totally possible if it's a public instance. The internet is a hostile place, tons of bots are roaming the internet all the time trying to catch easy pray, someone who might have a username of "admin" and a password of 1234 or something.
2000[21:40:09] <rozenglass> sorry, didn't notice I was replying to a very old message
2005[21:42:55] <rozenglass> Generally, I think it is recommend to use fail2ban to automatically block IPs doing too many bad ssh login attempts, and disable password login and use an ssh key instead
2006[21:43:00] *** nsegkos is now known as nksegos
2009[21:44:14] <sney> vps providers often offer a configurable firewall that sits outside the vm, so you can limit the ip range that ssh is even allowed from
2068[22:25:38] <Exagone313> Hi, I followed replaced-url
2069[22:25:38] <Exagone313> can I build the "common" package? Thanks for your help. PS: Since this might sound like an XY problem, my issue is that I need a kernel with `CONFIG_CGROUP_HUGETLB=y` which is not set in debian kernel.
2071[22:27:49] <Exagone313> as a last resort, I'll build upstream kernel "normally" without build a debian package (I just hope I can use debian's config file I got instead of fiddling with make menuconfig) :/
2076[22:31:25] <Exagone313> also, I need kernel headers to build module using wireguard-dkms, I seriously hope this can be done, or I need to rebuild kernel with upstream patch :/
2102[22:37:49] <sponix> Exagone313: I'm not familiar with what you are trying to do. But I would recommend bringing down the sid source and seeing if that options does it for you
2103[22:39:03] <Exagone313> I think I need someone that do kernel builds using debian build system (debian/rules.gen)
2106[22:39:26] <sponix> Exagone313: I followed this to build rtorrent from sid
2107[22:39:27] <sponix> !ssb
2108[22:39:28] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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2122[22:46:10] <Exagone313> sponix: it's required by some kubernetes-related software I want to use. on another new machine I used ubuntu and it got that config, but I can't easily reinstall that one which is "stuck" with debian (although I'd prefer to use debian everywhere)
2159[23:00:57] <Exagone313> I don't want to use a mailing list to find out the issue xD
2160[23:01:07] <trek00> :)
2161[23:01:47] <Exagone313> the only time I used a mailing list was for asking a specific curl question, and in one day I received so many mails that I just unregistered and gave up
2170[23:06:13] <Exagone313> Now I have another little issue. That setup is for a weird server where I can't configure the bootloader, it actually loads the hosting provider's kernel, BUT by chance supports kexec on boot, which I use to load a local kernel. The issue is that I need a stable path to vmlinuz and initrd, I don't want to have to maintain a symlink manually. Is there a way to add a postinst hook that will create that symlink? I found that there is a "linux-update-symlinks
2171[23:06:13] <Exagone313> " tool that exists, but I just miss the hook that calls it. :)