23[00:12:24] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
66[00:52:06] <aphorise> I'm using virtualbox and trying to set the date to a particular point in the past with `timedatectl` - I've tried a lot of things including `timedatectl set-local-rtc false` - yet a few seconds after having all RTC, universal & Local times set it reverts back to the current time... can anyone suggest what else it may be?
67[00:52:53] <aphorise> RTC tims remains as I want - but not local & universal times... even though I have syn disabled.
78[01:02:04] <somiaj> aphorise: systemd contains a ntp daemon by default, and in general you don't want to change the time of your system. Why do you want to change the date?
79[01:02:31] <somiaj> ,i faketime
80[01:02:32] <judd> Package faketime (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: Report faked system time to programs (command-line tool). Version: 0.9.7-3; Size: 14.3k; Installed: 36k; Homepage: replaced-url
81[01:02:41] <somiaj> aphorise: ^^ could that work for your use case?
82[01:02:44] <aphorise> somiaj not without reason - I'm doing some testing that's date / time related.
83[01:03:07] <aphorise> will check that faketime thanks
86[01:03:46] <somiaj> look at/disable systemd-timesyncd.service, though expect other things to get made/complain/notwork if your time goes to much out of sync
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88[01:04:26] <aphorise> I tried disabling that already had no effect
98[01:06:07] <somiaj> and you don't have any other ntp daemons running, 'dpkg -l | grep ntp'
99[01:06:19] <somiaj> aphorise: maks points the service at /dev/null and prevents it from running under any circumstance.
100[01:06:45] <russw> I'm having weird problems in some applications where mousewheel events are getting picked up intermittently. running buster, Any ideas on how to fix? been looking at evdev vs libinput, but don't really know enough.
101[01:06:54] <somiaj> enable/disable sets if it runs at boot, start/stop is for services that continousually run, some services are triggered by hooks, so stopping ti wont' help, masking it prevents if rom ever running
105[01:08:05] <somiaj> russw: if the application is not getting the event (or only gets it sometimes), this could mean your window manager/de is getting in the way.
106[01:09:00] <russw> looking into xev now... thanks
129[01:21:47] <russw> Interestingly it is an issue only with some applications, but not all. For example, Geany mousewheel event pickup is 100% perfect (like with xev). Sublime and Wing have issues. Wing uses scintilla... not sure about Sublime. Wonder if it is there?
159[01:38:20] <somiaj> russw: might be something to do with those particular applications, maybe see if anyone else has reported a similar bug. But it shoulds like the events are getting sent to the applications just fine, maybe the applications can't deal with them if they come to fast
161[01:38:39] <somiaj> russw: also some apps have this idea of double click, so if they recieve two events in a short enough time it is a double click not a single click, and thus different behavior
171[01:41:49] <russw> that last bit is my guess as to what is happening, since the wheel events come through as buttonpress and buttonrelease
172[01:42:55] <somiaj> Yea, from an X point of view there is nothing special about the mouse wheel, it is just two more buttons (or more depending on the wheel), and the app has to deal with them correctly
173[01:43:13] <somiaj> and it sounds like since some apps do this correctly, the problem lies in the app and not the hardware, xorg, windowmanager
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178[01:49:01] <russw> definitely odd behaviour though. Most apps are fine and get every single measured dedent change in the mousewheel without issue. Sublime and Wing are the the only to problems so far.
179[01:49:13] <russw> (and I spend most of my day in those... sigh)
180[01:51:51] <somiaj> start with bug reprots against those apps, if youd ont' find one file one.
181[01:51:59] <russw> already done :)
182[01:52:15] <somiaj> Depending on the app, some prefer you report to debian, and debian pushes upstream, others appear filing to upstream directly
185[01:56:57] <russw> just switched mice and it is much better. This probably means it is the time between ButtonPress and ButtonRelease. Maybe too fast on the problematic mouse?
186[01:57:41] <somiaj> could be, I have had mice do that, in this case wonder if it is just poor coding and if events come to fast the app discards them
195[02:07:01] <russw> Just to close on this (for interest's sake), the problematic mouse *does* advertise a "faster" mousewheel response as a gaming thing, so that matches the theory... and does seem to indicate it isn't just marketing (time from finger action to ButtonRelease is actually shorter!).
204[02:13:01] <somiaj> russw: well at least you know it is working as designed, but yea could be poor code is setup assuming events at a normal mouse rate
228[02:37:44] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
267[02:54:01] <somiaj> ChiLLabiS: If you want to run testing/sid, there is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, and various guides on how to do that. Thigns will break, you will encounter grave bugs, and if you don't understand debian that well it may not be what you want.
268[02:54:34] <somiaj> It could be debian is not the distro for you, but you can run the development version of debian if you like, just expect less help and things to break from time to time.
269[02:54:35] <ChiLLabiS> Okay thanks for the warning. I'll stay with buster and backports then
282[02:57:51] <somiaj> invra: sounds like an error you made, it is probably a link from /etc/systemd/system/-.mount -> /dev/null
283[02:58:12] <somiaj> invra: do you see such a file in /lib/systemd/system? Do you have any lines in /etc/fstab that could be creating such a mount unit?
287[02:58:55] <BalooRJ> One thing I will say about the Debian backports though...there are some packages that I do not understand why they're in every Debian distro but stable
295[03:01:02] <somiaj> invra: systemctl status -- -.mount <- that works for me, seems to be my / file system, though unsure why it is called just -.mount
303[03:02:46] <somiaj> invra: systemctl unmask -- -.mount then run the status command again
304[03:03:43] <invra> somiaj: the only thing i did after install is, install dmraid and mdadm.. then when i saw one was messing with the other i removed dmraid with apt remove dmraid. thats all i did in the install i got basically
305[03:04:29] <invra> dont know if it can actually help somehow to figure out anything... but thats pretty much the only thing i did
309[03:05:31] <somiaj> invra: yea I'm not sure why that is masked, but did unmasking it do anything? I don't use raid, so unsure if the mount units generated from /etc/fstab would be different int hat case, I just see that on my system -.mount is generated from /etc/fstab and is related to my root fs. is /dev/sda5 your root fs, or is your root fs on some raid?
310[03:05:58] <somiaj> on a raid system isn't the root file system on some other device?
311[03:06:37] <invra> somiaj: i never generated a fstab, i skipped the grub installation part as i manage my grub from a different install.. the fstab is copy pasted from my other distro.. onlt changes are ofcourse the btrfs subvolumes
332[03:10:58] <invra> hmm why would it differ sorry i am getting lost there
333[03:11:56] <somiaj> is this system a dual boot? Or a different system?
334[03:12:06] <somiaj> UUID changes from file system to file system, and needs to match
335[03:12:27] <invra> UUID remain the same unless you format or change the partitions or decide to change the uuid manually... but if that would be the case then all OS's would have the UUIDs changed
336[03:12:47] <invra> at least that is my understanding on UUIDs
338[03:13:05] <somiaj> I think the issue is I don't know btrfs here as I don't use it. I didn't realize you could have multiple filesystems under the same btrfs volume
339[03:13:14] <invra> its a 5 boot
340[03:13:22] <somiaj> I would think that you would need a unique UUID for each root fs for each os you boot.
341[03:13:29] <invra> no
342[03:13:37] <invra> subvolumes are handled different
343[03:13:38] <cyveris> No two filesystems on the same system should have the same UUID.
344[03:14:31] <somiaj> yea, that is where I was confused, didn't realize that you were using the same main file system with subvolumes, it could be that systemd when dealing with these subvolumes isn't creating the mount units normally, so it creates -.mount to be the whole /dev/sda5 volume, then masks it because the actual root file system is a subvolume.
345[03:14:42] <invra> somiaj: look at my /dev/sda5 (btrfs filesystem) with btrfs subvolumes. replaced-url
346[03:15:00] <invra> every @xxx is a different subvolume within the same filesystem
347[03:15:18] <somiaj> so when systemd creates a mount unit for UUID=.... which is /dev/sda5, it calls it -.mount, but this is not your root file system, so it masks it and then assigns another unit to the subvolume.
349[03:15:36] <somiaj> you might want to look into how systemd works with btrfs, subvolumes, and generating the mount units.
350[03:16:21] <invra> it super weird.. its the only distro causing this out of those you see ther in my last paste... i think the problem was generated with the installation of dmraid and mdraid
353[03:17:34] <somiaj> outside of this error, do thigns seem to be working fine? Maybe check to see if on the other systems that -.mount is a masked unit for your btrfs volume /dev/sda5, and the issue is whatever is trying to activiate that unit vs systemd's naming of it.
354[03:18:08] <invra> somiaj: no other system has this :/
355[03:18:28] <invra> might be a bug with mdraid specific to this version?
356[03:18:31] <somiaj> are you sure you just never noticed that unit, I dind't ralize -.mount was a unit until you got that error
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358[03:21:19] <invra> well no i am not 100% sure to be honest. ill investigate.. weird is that on the debian install i get that error only when i run apt update,upgrade... if the same error was happening on lubuntu i am pretty sure it would be spitting out the same error. only differenc eis that in ubuntu i never installed the two raid array "managers" at once... so i think the problem is that... systemd masking that service cause
359[03:21:20] <invra> dmraid and mdadm are "overlapping tasks" is that even a thing?! not sure if you get the idea
361[03:22:37] <somiaj> it could be that you did something that confused your system to think that -.mount is your root fs, can you give an output of all your mount units
362[03:23:09] <invra> sure, here you go replaced-url
368[03:25:19] <somiaj> well it does look like the generated units are all masked, so the issue isn't that -.mount is your rootfs, or that it is masked, it is whatever is trying to do something to it over DBUS
369[03:25:38] <somiaj> do you know what triggered this error, or does it occur every so often.
377[03:28:01] <somiaj> invra: anyways, thanks for discussing this with me, I'm learning a bit, but not sure if I'm helping much.
378[03:29:29] <invra> thank you
379[03:29:42] <invra> ill see if people at #systemd have any idea on this.
380[03:30:20] <somiaj> and rebooting didn't fix the problem? Anyways appears something on your system is masking all the units creatd from fstab, but I don't see why.
381[03:30:38] <somiaj> but those units seem normal, as they exist on my system too (though the -.mount name confused me at fisrt)
382[03:30:49] <invra> i didnt reboot yet
383[03:30:58] <invra> well i rebooted earlier before we started the talk
400[03:41:53] <somiaj> invra: seems something masked a lot of units, one user said gparted, maybe your raid commands masked the units for saftey but never unmasked them.
403[03:42:27] <somiaj> so wonder if there is some systemd saftey when essing with mount units that mask them, and then in your case something happend and they stayed mask, where a reboot just fixed it
404[03:42:27] * invra remembers the good old sysvinit and runit
405[03:43:03] <somiaj> I do to, I like systemd. Sometimes it does things in unstandard/strange ways that I don't know enough as to why, but overall I like systemd for service mangament than /etc/init.d/ scripts and run levels
409[03:44:41] <invra> i dont know,it is pretty good but i feel it is such a big project that it might need more time to mature.
410[03:45:23] <somiaj> I think parts of it are mature, but more stuff keeps being added. Anyways, let me know if #systemd provides any insight as to why those .mount units were masked
411[03:46:32] <invra> i will.. i pastebined the whole log to them. hopefully they know where to look at. i must go to bed now. apreciate your help
549[06:25:55] <saeia> Hi, I've attempted to google my problem, multiple times. But I believe my syntax could be incorrect, leading me away from the solution. I used smxi to install Opera, There is no line for it in my sources file, but when i attempt to use apt upgrade it always gives me a message about expecting an stretch deb but the line wherever it is, has been added for Sid.
550[06:26:16] <saeia> I've managed to delete its key, but that did not remove the line.
551[06:26:58] <saeia> I found a deb line in Synaptic, but not one in sources.
566[06:47:23] <somiaj> (well I guess a direcotry is a type of file, but it will contain multiple files, unsure if nano shows this)
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568[06:48:10] <somiaj> also, you should give us the command you typed and the full output at paste.debian.net
569[06:48:55] <saeia> I've been running 2k12 R2 for a few years now. It finally got too full of cancer. I left debian around Jessie, I apologie, haha.
570[06:50:01] <somiaj> so you aren't even running debian, then you are in the wrong splace
571[06:50:04] <somiaj> !based on debian
572[06:50:05] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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578[06:54:35] <saeia> Um, I'm not asking about another Linux distro. I'm asking about Debian Stretch. Windows Server 2012 isn't a linux distro and it doesn't have a source file.
593[07:07:16] <saeia> I am. Thanks. Running Debian stretch. Is there another channel specifically for OldStable Debian, or am I in the correct channel, Somiaj?
594[07:09:39] <saeia> Because Windows Server doesn't have a sources.list.d. Wasn't asking about that. Just attempting to make small talk about my ignorance.
595[07:12:56] <somiaj> oh I thought you said you left debian. Oldstable is supported here, though we often suggest desktop users upgrade to current stable, as old stable is loosing offical security support soon (though LTS will keep it going longer, though focus more on server side). Webbrowers end up loosing the support the fasest.
597[07:16:23] <saeia> I like living in 2018. Things seemed alot brighter back then. haha.
598[07:16:47] <somiaj> !stretch
599[07:16:47] <dpkg> Stretch is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see replaced-url
600[07:17:06] <saeia> I was close!
601[07:17:28] <saeia> !sarge
602[07:17:28] <dpkg> Sarge is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.1, released June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported. Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Removed from the mirrors; ask me about <sarge sources.list>, <sarge-backports>. Get old sarge ISOs here: replaced-url
603[07:17:32] <somiaj> Hmm, I'm surpsied that didn't give the approximate end of life, but debian LTS makes debian releases have about 5 years of support, but from the desktopsize, having a vulunable browser is the biggest drawback
604[07:17:41] <somiaj> here is an example
605[07:17:45] <somiaj> !wheezy
606[07:17:45] <dpkg> Wheezy is the current <oldoldstable> release, Debian 7, released on 2013-05-04: replaced-url
607[07:17:59] <saeia> !jessie
608[07:18:00] <dpkg> Jessie is the codename for the current <oldoldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25. Security support ended 2018-05-17, repos removed from mirrors around 2019-03-24, except for <jessie-lts>. Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See replaced-url
609[07:18:23] <somiaj> !jessie-lts
610[07:18:23] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 8 "Jessie" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2018-05-17. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures will receive additional long term support (<LTS>) via <jessie/updates> until June 30, 2020 for a 5 year lifetime total. See replaced-url
617[07:23:42] <somiaj> my only suggestion if running stretch as a desktop, is probably get your browser from upstream, either google-chrome or download the current firefox and run it from $HOME
623[07:29:08] <saeia> Yeah Chrome doesnt seem to work very well. I've been using firefox. I'm so happy to have flash again. Windows versions of Browsers dont run flash anymore.
656[07:42:31] <somiaj> the issue with the newer kernel was probably making sure the nivida driver built for it, but your hardware sounds fairly new, the kernel and nvidia driver from backports may help
663[07:43:47] <saeia> running bleeding edge hardware and debian might cause a snafu...
664[07:43:48] <somiaj> you to install the linux kernel, headers, and nvidia driver from buster-backports
665[07:43:51] <warsoul> basically new
666[07:44:34] <warsoul> somiaj dont know to do that
667[07:44:39] <warsoul> :s
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669[07:44:53] <somiaj> !buster-backports
670[07:44:54] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See replaced-url
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672[07:45:37] <warsoul> ok
673[07:45:37] <saeia> !bdo
674[07:45:38] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <buster backports>) and oldstable (<stretch backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
675[07:46:07] <somiaj> bascailly follow the instructions at that link, then apt -t buster-backports install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64 nvidia-driver
698[07:53:48] <saeia> do it all at once with sudo.
699[07:53:55] <warsoul> ok
700[07:54:26] <saeia> good luck. I hope its safer then it was in the past.
701[07:55:04] <saeia> but, I'm definitely the cause of every one of my Debian's breaking haha.
702[07:55:29] <warsoul> Run "nvidia-installer --uninstall"?
703[07:55:54] <somiaj> umm, you shoudln't be using the upstream binary from nvidia to install the driver, that could explain some problems you are having
716[07:59:57] <somiaj> warsoul: Hmm, maybe the nvidia-installer-cleanup took out the driver you were currently using, mgiht need to boot up into a console, and do it form there.
717[08:00:07] <somiaj> but I think your issues are around getting the driver from nvidia.com
719[08:01:53] <somiaj> where are you runnign this, did you reboot, could ti be that the last thing didn't actually freeze, but frezing where you did, it would leave the lock file around.
729[08:07:25] <f-a> hello. When I am root, if I `fdisk` I get «command not found». I need to `/usr/sbin/fdisk` to invoke it. Is that expected? (I installed only the base system at first)
730[08:07:28] <somiaj> warsoul: what does cat /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend return?
733[08:07:42] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
734[08:07:47] <somiaj> f-a: learn to use su correctly, (:
735[08:08:31] <warsoul> cat: return: No such file or directory
779[09:00:59] <daniel-s> I know that DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive is an option, but when you get up to that screen (interactively) "keep your current version" is the default.
780[09:01:37] *** semeion is now known as mnemonic
837[10:15:20] <ksk> daniel-s: sounds a little insane to default to the package maintainers version :P
838[10:16:24] <ksk> daniel-s: it seems force-confnew ist what you are looking for?
839[10:17:00] <ksk> from man dpkg: confask: If a conffile has been modified always offer to replace it with the version in the package, even if the version in the package did not change (since dpkg 1.15.8). If any of
840[10:17:04] <ksk> --force-confnew, --force-confold, or --force-confdef is also given, it will be used to decide the final action.
841[10:17:24] <ksk> best look up the three and their differences :)
876[10:54:27] <themill> sandman13: no, this is about the status of packages, not configuration files. Packages are not merely "installed" or "not installed", there 8 states that the package can be in depending on what is being done to it. See "Package States" towards the top of dpkg(1).
877[10:55:45] <themill> --auto-deconfigure means that dpkg will move reverse-deps from "installed" back to "half-configured" during the removal. It can then reconfigure them later. "configured" means running the maintainer scripts with the relevant action.
886[10:56:49] <themill> this is only really used by apt to be able to remove packages and then install new packages and have dpkg appropriately deal with the status of dependencies
945[11:30:56] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
1013[12:36:24] <TyZef> hi guys, how are you? it's 5days now, from a netinstall without gui, only OpenBox, i am not able to bring up my wifi interface. i prefer to use wpasupplicant.
1161[14:38:51] <joaquimBg> I apologize for raising such a sensitive issue. my nephew had his android invaded by anonymous threat messages after protesting offensively against the american government, showing that android has backdoors, what about debian?
1162[14:41:44] <annadane> none that we know of
1163[14:41:56] <Ede|Popede> joaquimBg: hard to keep up backdoors in fully openscourced software
1164[14:42:02] <annadane> also, that
1165[14:42:17] <annadane> possible in principle, just less likely
1179[14:47:09] <dvs> pileofstraw, it has to be installed once
1180[14:48:59] <pileofstraw> I am in a machine right now, one of many, where I dist-upgraded from Stretch to Buster, and I can confirm apt upgrade and apt dist-upgrade have no jobs to do
1181[14:49:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1354
1182[14:49:11] <pileofstraw> and apt-cache policy firmware-misc-nonfree says it is not installed
1183[14:49:35] <pileofstraw> sources file: deb replaced-url
1184[14:49:58] <pileofstraw> I can't understand why its missing
1185[14:50:00] <annadane> a package has to be installed or be a new dependency of an existing installed package, it won't just install itself
1186[14:50:40] <dvs> also...
1187[14:50:41] <pileofstraw> Ah so even using non-free sources there's nothing in debian that would necessarily depend on this firmware pack and so it just wouldn't show up.
1188[14:50:43] <dvs> !ftp.debian.org
1189[14:50:43] <dpkg> ftp.debian.org is not the principal mirror for Debian. It is just one mirror that uses bandwidth that was donated to the Debian project; you are kindly requested not to use this mirror but to instead use a mirror that is closer to you, ask me about <mirrors>. See replaced-url
1190[14:51:07] <pileofstraw> thank you for the clarification
1308[16:21:40] <BalooRJ> Anyone had any luck running the Plexamp AppImage in Debian 10 Buster? I keep getting this error when I run it, for disclosure I have checked the file itself to run as an executable. "[13499:0430/101838.641913:FATAL:setuid_sandbox_host.cc(157)] The SUID sandbox helper binary was found, but is not configured correctly. Rather than run without sandboxing I'm aborting now. You need to make sure that /tmp/.mount_PlexamdmSbkr/chrome-sandbox
1309[16:21:40] <BalooRJ> is owned by root and has mode 4755.
1327[16:28:25] <dpkg> Whonix is a Linux distribution based on Debian, distributed as two virtual machine images. It is not supported in #debian; ask me about <based on debian>. replaced-url
1328[16:28:29] <greycat> *plonk*
1329[16:28:31] <zazagx> i can't remove this. even with apt-key del last-8-keys
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1397[17:13:43] <greycat> f8e4: if all of the things in /etc/systemd/system/ are symlinks, then you (the administrator) have not created any local unit files on this system
1399[17:14:39] <greycat> that directory is used for both your local unit files (of which you apparently have none), *and* the symlinks that constitute local configuration (masking, etc.) of the standard units
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1435[17:35:00] <f8e4> greycat why i wonder: unit files in the path cant be disabled: Warning: Can't execute disable on the unit file path. Proceeding with the unit name.
1437[17:35:30] <greycat> The syntax is "systemctl disable unitname"
1438[17:35:35] <greycat> I have no idea what you typed.
1439[17:36:06] <han-solo> there's mask...
1440[17:36:20] <f8e4> got it. i typed the full path. its fine now.
1441[17:36:24] <greycat> "mask" is best used sparingly
1442[17:36:51] <han-solo> disable is used to not run it an boot. Just so, if it wasn't clear
1443[17:37:02] <han-solo> greycat: Yeah
1444[17:37:10] <han-solo> to f8e4
1445[17:37:28] <f8e4> sudo cd/mv not found why? sudo bash -c'mv' is ugh
1446[17:37:55] <greycat> cd is a shell builtin. you can't execute a shell builtin as an execve() program.
1447[17:38:23] <greycat> if you want a temporary root-shell in which you can cd around and have working tab completion and so on, use sudo -s, or sudo -i
1470[17:57:29] <dpkg> Packages that end in '*-dbgsym' contain the symbols required for debugging executables and libraries. The dbgsym packages are automatically generated packages that are in a separate archive; add a line like "deb replaced-url
1471[17:58:41] <simplicius> I don't find one specific for gtk
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1579[19:20:26] <gvth> Hi; I have to install Debian on an old netbook with a "VIA C7-M Processor 1000Mhz" but cannot find out whether it takes 32- or 64-bit instructions. Any idea?
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1588[19:23:14] <cast4dx> diogenes_, i said already that I followed this guide: replaced-url
1589[19:23:35] <cast4dx> diogenes_, when i execute your command I get the uncommented autologin-user=myuser line as expected
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1591[19:24:21] <diogenes_> cast4dx, well you think i have the time to read all the things you read?
1592[19:24:25] <somiaj> gvth: wiki says that processor is about 2005. I'd say go with 32bit, but I am not familar with that processor so don't know for sure.
1593[19:24:45] <cast4dx> diogenes_, yes otherwise you shouldn't be helping, because your help is useless in that case
1594[19:25:13] <somiaj> cast4dx: diogenes_: asked for exact output to check something, you should run the command and provide the output.
1599[19:25:55] <diogenes_> cast4dx, in this case you're wrong because i'm giving you the solution which 100% works if you didn't mess up your cofings.
1600[19:26:04] <gvth> somiaj: thanks
1601[19:26:47] <cast4dx> you must be thinking that everyone here who asks a question is a complete newbie and don't know how to find a string inside a file
1603[19:27:13] <cast4dx> especially when i had modified that string by uncommenting it before as per official docs
1604[19:27:52] <cast4dx> i was expecting to someone indicating me what logs to check , because re-checking the config i made is pointless
1605[19:28:13] <somiaj> gvth: in gneral most 64bit also supported 32bit, so 32bit is just the safest for that age.
1606[19:29:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1351
1607[19:29:06] <somiaj> cast4dx: I missed you said that.
1608[19:29:20] <JustTheDoctor> right now when i run * */2 * * * /bin/sh /votesystems/pnd-relaunch.sh > /var/log/cron-pandacoin it replaces the file each time, if i add another > so its like * */2 * * * /bin/sh /votesystems/pnd-relaunch.sh >> /var/log/cron-pandacoin will it keep the previous contenet and write new?
1610[19:29:41] <somiaj> cast4dx: in general it is useful for us to double check things as we don't know what a user has done, but I'm unsure what log lightdm would use, you have tried using journalctl on the lightdm service?
1612[19:29:58] <greycat> JustTheDoctor: >> means append, yes
1613[19:30:17] <somiaj> cast4dx: you can sometimes get info by just doing 'systemctl status lightdm' and see what sort of messages the display manager has spit out and systemd has logged.
1614[19:30:28] <cast4dx> somiaj, well i've checked syslog and /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log but haven't found anything that could indicate a problem
1618[19:32:18] <cast4dx> somiaj, actually checking systemctl status gave some progress now, thank you. I see the errors (that havent appeared in the above mentioned log files)
1622[19:33:42] <somiaj> cast4dx: journalctl can also give you info, with systemd, systemd logs the stdout and stderr of the process, and journalctl (systemctl status) give you ways to get this info quickly (I really need to learn journalctl better myself)
1623[19:34:34] <cast4dx> yeah it was giving errors related to PAM that's why it didn't appear in the lightdm logs probably
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1637[19:44:08] <cast4dx> ah well that error related to PAM was me entering an invalid password once before i logged in, so i guess the problem can't be diagnosed easily
1638[19:44:55] <cast4dx> escpeially when the same config works on an os on a bare metal hw
1639[19:46:25] <cast4dx> i guess the only way would be trying some other alternative to lightdm, since i am trying to resolve this a week already without success
1647[19:49:18] <somiaj> cast4dx: do you see the errors appearing in /var/log/auth.log, since you wanted auto login, checking authentication seems natrual.
1649[19:49:35] <somiaj> cast4dx: though iw ould just get use to using sytemd/journald better to debug things, it really is quite powerful once you get use to it.
1651[19:51:19] <ratrace> gvth: wikipedia disagrees
1652[19:51:40] <ratrace> also, VIA != Core i5 .... are we now talking about something else?
1653[19:52:19] <somiaj> they were saying how their current amd64 install, the dmidecode line didn't state 65-bit under characteristicts. Maybe older chips dont' fully report that in the dmidecode?
1654[19:52:30] <gvth> ratrace: My main laptop has a first generation Core i5 and another one I am setting up for my mother as a typing machine has a VIA CPU
1655[19:52:35] <somiaj> so this wasn't about the processor they wanted to install on, but the one they are currently running.
1674[19:59:37] <DammitJim> I'm not seeing that behavior on my servers, though
1675[19:59:37] <simplicius> where do I find this libgtk-3-0-dbgsym ?
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1677[19:59:47] <DammitJim> so, we were doing maintenance on the primary DNS
1678[20:00:28] <DammitJim> and then had to shut it down.. for the period of time it was down, the applications trying to make web requests to other servers in my network kept printing host not found
1679[20:00:53] <greycat> sounds like your "secondary" was not working, and you didn't know it, because the "primary" had been so reliable
1680[20:00:56] <DammitJim> I wonder if I have something configured wrong
1681[20:01:12] <DammitJim> interesting
1682[20:01:20] <DammitJim> I guess I"m going to have to create my own lab to test it again
1683[20:01:48] <greycat> dig @ip.of.secondary.server A replaced-url
1693[20:02:39] <DammitJim> greycat, is nslookup not a good idea?
1694[20:02:54] <greycat> nslookup was deprecated about 20 years ago... it's a laughing stock...
1695[20:03:03] <DammitJim> oh man!!!!
1696[20:03:11] <DammitJim> I'm going to dig from now on, then
1697[20:03:25] <ratrace> or drill if you prefer unbound and its tools
1698[20:03:39] <greycat> I use "host" for quickies, and "dig" for most real digging, unless I use "dnsqr" or something, but that's not a common tool.
1699[20:04:00] <ratrace> dig is pretty much the swiss knife of dns analytics
1700[20:04:10] <ratrace> ya dig?
1701[20:04:11] <DammitJim> dig sounds reasonable (I've used that but haven't shaken off nslookup)
1702[20:05:51] <tyzef> hi guys! how are you? how can I know if my wifi card is properly recognized, drivers properly installed, and working properly? any idea? any tutorial? thank you !
1703[20:07:28] <tyzef> trek00, greycat, my problem of last day is that my wifi never come UP... I guess thats why I could congratulate in replaced-url
1716[20:11:06] <dvs> tyzef, try "iwlist wlan0 scan" to see if it can see any WiFi networks. Replace "wlan0" with whatever you WiFi device name is.
1717[20:11:17] * sney hands somiaj a g
1718[20:11:20] <somiaj> !dbgsym
1719[20:11:21] <dpkg> Packages that end in '*-dbgsym' contain the symbols required for debugging executables and libraries. The dbgsym packages are automatically generated packages that are in a separate archive; add a line like "deb replaced-url
1748[20:16:42] <greycat> Also "nslookup" is a bot keyword, so we can't have an nslookup factoid, or a factoid that *begins* with nslookup. Except there is one. You just can't read it.
1751[20:17:12] <dpkg> "nslookup localhost" is "<reply> localhost is replaced-url
1752[20:17:16] <joepublic> so, nslookup seems to still be in use, at least amongst irc bots
1753[20:17:34] <greycat> The IRC bot version causes almost as many problems as the BIND version.
1754[20:17:57] <greycat> hmm, let's see if we can...
1755[20:18:22] <greycat> dpkg, don't use nslookup is <reply>The nslookup command is deprecated, and has many known bugs and problems. See <replaced-url
1756[20:18:22] <dpkg> greycat: okay
1757[20:19:43] <greycat> dpkg, forget but nslookup
1759[20:20:00] <simplicius> E: Unable to locate package libgtk-3-0-dbgsym
1760[20:20:15] <ham5urg> I'm beginning with an fresh standard installation and now I replaced exim4 with msmtp-mta. AFAIK any 'user' who wants to send an email, needs ~/.msmtprc. That is Ok for user root and any process which runs under root. But what about cron, it runs under user message+. Do I need to create for any 'user' an extra email-home-dir? How is it handled with exim4 in the standard-inst.?
1770[20:22:39] <tyzef> by the way, my wifi card is a Qualcomm Atheros AR9285... issues are there on the web, I am looking at
1771[20:24:13] <sney> that's ath9k, it doesn't need firmware and usually works very well, though it's 802.11n only
1772[20:24:41] <dvs> It's a PCIe card
1773[20:24:42] <somiaj> tyzef: do you have firmware-atheros installed from non-free, some atheros cards need firmware.
1774[20:24:52] <sney> !ath9k
1775[20:24:52] <dpkg> ath9k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe 802.11n wireless LAN devices with Atheros chips. It does not require firmware from userspace. See replaced-url
1776[20:25:18] <somiaj> oh nevermind, this one actually does not need additional firmware.
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1778[20:25:29] <tyzef> well thanks
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1786[20:29:31] <somiaj> tyzef: it is worth a try, easy enough to revert if it dosen't help.
1787[20:30:12] <tyzef> ok, thanks
1788[20:30:27] <somiaj> tyzef: I don't like how they don't give a better description of what errors they encounterd for this fix, but I see no harm in trying it nut
1835[21:01:55] <oxek> I spotted this is available: linux-image-4.19.0-8-amd64/stable 4.19.98-1+deb10u1 amd64 [upgradable from: 4.19.98-1]
1836[21:02:05] <oxek> but when I do `apt changelog linux-image-4.19.0-8-amd64` I get an error
1837[21:02:15] <oxek> how can I find out the changes in that package?
1838[21:02:27] <somiaj> Kurogane: okay now I need 'apt policy pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 ...' where pkg1, pkg2, pkg3, ... are the names of every package listed in the orriginal output you shared.
1840[21:03:32] <somiaj> Kurogane: oh wait, did you give me the full output of apt policy, it looks like it got cut off, the last line should not be origin deb.
1844[21:05:07] <somiaj> the last line looks cut off, which makes me think you have more lines that got cut off to, either way, if it was only the last line, I still need the output requested above
1863[21:12:19] <somiaj> Kurogane: this is most likely to some third party package being installed from outside the debian repos. Since it appears your sources seem fine, this could take a bit to track down.
1865[21:12:59] <cybercrypto> Hi there, is there any software/tool to probe/scan my current RAM DIMM slots and tell me the installed memory frequency in Mhz?
1866[21:13:06] <sney> Kurogane: you could install aptitude and try 'aptitude why-not perl'
1867[21:13:20] <somiaj> Kurogane: that last line being only deb. (and not deb.debian.org) is strange, I wonder what is going on with your system.
1868[21:14:23] <sney> cybercrypto: dmidecode has a lot of that information
1869[21:14:26] <somiaj> anyways, all packages in debian buster should be installable, but so far I'm not seeing anything that points to what the issue could be, except that strange 'deb.' output, which I'm unsrue why it is there.
1870[21:14:47] <somiaj> cybercrypto: lshw is also a all in one tool that tells you a lot about all hardware on your system.
1874[21:15:44] <somiaj> Kurogane: if you are installing aptitude for sney, you may want to see if aptitude can install the packge for you, sometimes its logic can resolve things apt can't. But so far I am not seeing anything that points to the conflict, you may have to start diging into this until you find the exact package on your system causing the conflict.
1880[21:18:02] <somiaj> Kurogane: also I think sney is onto something, perl might be the package having trouble, Im' personally surprised it isn't already installed.
1898[21:21:10] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
1899[21:21:27] <sney> !msg the bot
1900[21:21:27] <dpkg> Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and replaced-url
1901[21:21:35] <somiaj> Kurogane: anyways, this is indeed strange, the fact you cannot install perl (and it wasn't installed already), is something that shouldn't be happening, but it look slike we have to dig down a rabbit hole to figure it out.
1902[21:22:02] <invra> interesting ty
1903[21:22:09] <sponix2ipfw> sney: oh.. I see what you did there :)
1904[21:22:45] <Kurogane> normal install via usb
1905[21:22:53] <somiaj> Kurogane: okay, 'apt policy init-system-helpers adduser perl-base' what is that output?
1918[21:26:21] <somiaj> but this does look like a frankendebian problem, you have mixed packages from stable and testing, and have found yourself in a broken state. I personally suggest reinstalling testing at this point, and not mixing things in the future.
1919[21:26:37] <somiaj> arg reinstalling stable at this point...
1920[21:27:40] <somiaj> You might be able to manually downgrade perl-base and any other package from testing you have hiding no your sustem and be able to recover it, but our policy is basically we can't and don't support mixing like you have done.
1923[21:27:48] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
1927[21:30:28] <somiaj> this is why we tell people to never mix repos, you think you are just installing one package, but you aren't and this one package has basically put your system in a broken state
1928[21:30:36] <somiaj> YOu should have installed the kernel + firmware from backports.
1930[21:32:29] <somiaj> (well the depends of that one package, it upgrded perl-base and removed perl, and is the cause of all of these problems. A reinstall is the safest way to ensure you dont' have any other issues from this, though someone could track down and try to manually fix this)
1937[21:35:04] <somiaj> Kurogane: the bot dpkg gave info on how to try to manually downgrade stuff. But you could have other problems hiding, my advise is reinstall and don't mix in the future. As you may run into other hidden problems in the future if you don't
1938[21:35:22] <jmcnaught> perl-base is priority required and also marked as essential, so apt probably won't let you remove it.
1952[21:43:30] <Kurogane> somiaj, yes but i need to know here i can download .deb, but anyway i find it installed seems now is with buster perl-base another problem come then i did "apt --fix-broken install" now i'm able to install again.
1954[21:44:42] <Kurogane> Not sure if other package come in future, but better now i think i going to reinstall system but i going to backup first because i can't do right now.
1965[21:52:59] <Kurogane> i not want to install aptitude that is why i not tested, but if i can use apt well either way other time i test it (better not use again)
1968[21:54:26] <greycat> Are you that low on disk space? aptitude only takes about 4.5 MB. (Even that is much larger than I expected, but still, small by today's standards.)
2027[22:24:16] <sponix2ipfw> greycat: so, that will notify you if it feels you need a reboot - and only when it feels so ? Not just a daily reminder based on time ?
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2049[22:31:57] <sponix2ipfw> greycat: I am pretty simple minded. And have also just consumed a few shots of Jack. Doesn't take much to confused me at the moment :)
2056[22:42:26] <oxek> what about the checkrestart utility from debian? Does it do the same thing?
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2058[22:43:13] <greycat> !checkrestart
2059[22:43:14] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, checkrestart is a program that tries to determine if there are processes requiring a restart after a system upgrade. It is part of the debian-goodies package.
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2066[22:46:42] <tyzef> guys, something disturb me... I can do a netinstall and get all data downloaded from my wpa wifi network... and after the install done+reboot... plop! no more wifi..... so one question come to my mind, what netinstall use to connect to my wpa wifi during the install???
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2251[23:17:05] <brutser> hi guys! if i use qemu-kvm, if i have a debian guest (on a debian host), the left buttons on the mouse (one is assigned as the BACK button) do not work
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2253[23:19:19] <tyzef> dvs, the answer of dpkg -l firmware\* is very strange
2254[23:19:29] <brutser> i notice QEMU emulates a PS/2 for the mouse so that only allow LEFT mIDDLE and right buttons for the mouse?
2255[23:19:34] <tyzef> ok two are there
2256[23:19:42] <brutser> is there no known workaround?
2264[23:21:42] <sponix2ipfw> brutser: well, if using something like virt-manager you can easily pass through a USB Mouse, emulate one or similar with a few "clicks"
2265[23:21:51] <dvs> tyzef, and that's why your wifi doesn't work.
2266[23:22:02] <greycat> the one that starts with ii is installed. the one that starts with un is not.
2267[23:22:25] <brutser> sponix2ipfw: yea i am using virt-manager, but adding a generic USB mouse does not change it
2268[23:22:35] <tyzef> so only firmware-linux-free 3.4 is installed then
2269[23:22:51] <brutser> and passthrough the USB mouse is a bit tricky as then i need to shutdown the guest in order to get my mouse back no?
2270[23:22:57] <dvs> tyzef, yes
2271[23:23:18] <tyzef> ok thank you guys !
2272[23:23:39] <tyzef> I will work on it, what ever comes up I will inform you
2273[23:23:42] <sponix2ipfw> brutser: pretty sure it will show up in both places just fine -- try it :)
2274[23:23:55] <lupulo> tyzef, you could donwload the firmware and install
2289[23:26:19] <brutser> at least then i know it's possible alltogether
2290[23:28:21] <sponix2ipfw> brutser: not sure, I haven't used qemu-kvm recently with virt-manager. And I am a simpleton that is likely to use any advanced mouse functions to notice this issue anyway lol
2291[23:29:08] <tyzef> well lulupo thanks i do it
2292[23:29:11] <lupulo> tyzef, a lot of people use a wifi usb which doesn't require firmware.
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2294[23:29:27] <lupulo> or a usb-ethernet
2295[23:29:38] <tyzef> hey
2296[23:30:06] <greycat> Or an ethernet that's built into their motherboard, and oh by the way, it's not a freakin' laptop.
2308[23:35:31] <ws2k3> i got a dir with this name J�ngstentraining 4-6 Jahre how can i rename this folder? cause the � sign is pretty weird some script are failing on it
2309[23:35:44] <tyzef> my router I have two ways to connect to the network... with cable or wifi... with cable it work, not with wifi
2310[23:35:49] <dvs> tyzef, I haven't heard of any ethernet adapter that needs firmware