21[00:16:43] <technobi> BTW: What is a bit nearer to what I'm looking for is fbset... something like fbset -fb /dev/fb0 640x480-60 -left 64 ... however it seems like my screen shrunk to smaller box, but didn't shift... somehow
22[00:17:03] <badsektor> is it ok to download and install a .deb file to upgrade something for which repos don't have the latest version?
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24[00:17:29] <badsektor> or do i need to first apt remove them?
32[00:21:38] <phogg> badsektor: In general it is OK to replace a Debian package with a .deb with a higher version number, whether you created it yourself or got it from someone else. What you have to be careful about is, first, that you trust the source and the package does not contain malware, and second that it was built to be installed on your specific Debian release. Packages for other versions of Debian, or for other deb-based distributions, may not work well,
35[00:22:58] <phogg> badsektor: you may also later have trouble upgrading that package or other packages that depend on it, especially if you got the .deb from a third party who was not as careful about compatibility as he should have been. It may be necessary to manually remove it later before being able to take some actions such as a dist upgrade.
66[01:01:13] <pileofstraw> trek00: i feel stupid even asking, could it be as simple as I'm missing the right i915 firmware?
67[01:01:33] <pileofstraw> I just noticed "possible missing firmware" errors shoot by during an apt-upgrade and three of them are for kaby lake i915 files
68[01:02:18] <trek00> pileofstraw: i don't know, but give it a try :)
87[01:21:21] <tyzef> trek00 I face 2 problems... in: replaced-url
88[01:21:51] <tyzef> s>and>end
89[01:21:51] <RonWhoCares> I'm helping someone who is self hosting their own web site with a few single board computers. The sub domain is setup an Nginx reverse proxy on single board computer #1 and actually hosted on single board computer #2. Is there a way to confidentially tell / test that the reverse proxy is working? I am trying to decide if the error I'm up against is on single board computer #1 or single board computer #2?
106[01:30:01] <RonWhoCares> I worked out for a few hours with the young lad I'm helping. Then I wanted to start fresh and it was midnight and India and mid afternoon in Canada.
107[01:30:04] <BalooRJ> Anyone know why the alltray and Mugshot packages are not in Buster but in all other currently maintained Debian distros?
108[01:30:10] <BalooRJ> Don't see either one in the backports either
117[01:38:25] <BalooRJ> also getting a weird error with birdtray in Buster: "Depends: thunderbird but it is not going to be installed" For some reason I'm getting this error about holding broken packages but I have thunderbird already installed
123[01:41:56] <BalooRJ> sney: Gotcha, thanks. I'm just trying to find a package that allows me to minimize thunderbird to the notification tray, with no luck
124[01:43:19] <sney> I have heard anecdotally that a lot of apps don't minimize anymore in gnome3, and that it's a compatibility problem not present in other desktop environments
125[01:43:46] <BalooRJ> sney: Interesting, I am using XFCE
126[01:44:09] <sney> ah, well. annadane: you're up
127[01:45:24] <BalooRJ> A lot of my other programs are working in the notification area, including even some WINE programs
131[01:46:05] * annadane also doesn't use thunderbird
132[01:46:26] <sney> anything about weird tray behavior in general?
133[01:46:46] <BalooRJ> Thunderbird inherently does not have minimize to tray ability in Linux
134[01:46:52] <annadane> not particularly
135[01:47:01] <BalooRJ> apparently I've read these two individual packages are supposed to be able to set this to do so, alltray and birdtray
136[01:47:20] <BalooRJ> alltray is not available in Buster or the backports, and birdtray seems to be uninstallable on my end. I will take any help or any package that can fix this issue
178[02:29:51] <foul_owl> pulseaudio loses my sound card. I can still see it with lspci, but it doesn't show up in pavucontrol, even after pulseaudio -k
179[02:30:49] <sney> do you see it in pacmd list-sinks
200[02:55:53] <somiaj> foul_owl: lspci isn't that useful, because it won't let you know if the kernel has assigned it to a device. check 'cat /proc/asound/cards'
257[04:11:21] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat. - debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
258[04:11:37] <petn-randall> nuevo_nick: Many people, but the common language here is english.
318[05:14:43] <empty_cup> can anyone point me to a recent guide on how to setup networking on debian with systemd? it seems dhcpd.service is no longer a thing.
328[05:20:07] <laidback_01> I have a HP Z440. It's a nice enough machine, 48G ram, 12core proc, etc. I want to run linux on it. So... I went and bought 2x 480SSDs for it. No matter what I try, I cannot get either a bios or an efi built system to install correctly enough to *boot* after installation.
351[05:25:06] <laidback_01> again. I FULLY installed the system. built it on the drive. all looks good after full install. reboot, no bootable drives found
352[05:25:16] <laidback_01> these are set in AHCI mode.
353[05:25:28] <laidback_01> okay, no issue, I'll deal with it otherwise.
488[07:44:57] <Unit193> Wulf: Backported kernel has it built in rather than needing dkms.
489[07:45:21] <Wulf> Unit193: are you sure?
490[07:45:58] <SerajewelKS> regardless, wireguard in buster-backports runs in the buster kernel just fine. you don't have to upgrade to a backported kernel just to get wireguard.
513[07:50:49] <hiya> But then Debian kernel must be old too
514[07:50:58] <SerajewelKS> !stable
515[07:50:58] <dpkg> [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Buster (10.x); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). replaced-url
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517[07:51:00] <hiya> Even when I upgrade to latest available from Debian
518[07:51:29] <SerajewelKS> hiya: the point of debian stable is that it doesn't change, so that your system doesn't suddenly stop working in ways you didn't expect. a new release is every 1-2 years.
519[07:51:41] <SerajewelKS> hiya: if you want the latest everything then either use debian testing or use a rolling-release distro
520[07:51:47] <hiya> If it were not for Wifi Card, I would be using linux-libre
527[07:52:44] <SerajewelKS> only security fixes and critical bug fixes go into stable
528[07:52:57] <SerajewelKS> !buster
529[07:52:57] <dpkg> Buster is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 10, released 2019-07-06. "Buster" is Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story, see replaced-url
530[07:53:04] <hiya> Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 3165 (rev 79) <-- This is the traitor in my new laptop
531[07:53:23] <SerajewelKS> and the freeze was probably 1-2 months before release so you're using stuff that was probably released around may 2019 on buster. this isn't necessarily a bad thing.
532[07:53:27] <hiya> It won't run with full libre kernel
533[07:54:14] <SerajewelKS> sometimes it's fun to point and laugh at the person who upgraded to yesterday's version of something and has nothing but problems with it :)
618[08:59:12] <rotaticus> powertop said which lines to run to bring the system to energy savings, but rc.local seems to be the wrong solution, how to make it run those lines at startup?
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683[09:57:13] <PaulGit> Good morning all. Is there anyway I can check if a reboot is required after an apt upgrade that included a new kernel? I would like to implement this check in a script.
731[10:18:11] <judd> Package debian-goodies (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: Small toolbox-style utilities for Debian systems. Version: 0.84; Size: 81.5k; Installed: 217k; Screenshot: replaced-url
732[10:18:34] <hl521> Hey, I recently updated Debian and upon a reboot I'm stuck at a grub command line, and not too sure how to progress from here to get back into my server
733[10:18:37] <ksk> it will tell you if apps use outdated libraries, or you need to reboot because of kernel.
734[10:19:13] <PaulGit> judd: Ah, that looks like it. Thank you.
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769[10:38:33] <ratrace> hl521: well then you have a bad setup there if you can't boot into a rescue environment. not much you can do from that grub prompt if it is broken...
776[10:41:15] <ksk> hl521: the install finished without any errors?
777[10:41:31] <ksk> Do you have your BIOS pointed to the wrong harddisk maybe?
778[10:41:52] <ratrace> wrong disk but still containing grub? :)
779[10:42:09] <hl521> ksk: yeah, this system has been running fine for years, I even switched computers on it since hardware died on the haswell it was on, so moved it to a K10 system
780[10:42:33] <hl521> only broke after an update and trying to install mediawiki after I cancelled it when I realized it wiped apache2 off
781[10:42:53] <ratrace> hl521: simply put you'll have to bring KVM to that machine, or boot into a ssh-enabled rescue env, like sysrescuecd
791[10:44:18] <ksk> If its not like 20 years old, it should ;)
792[10:45:21] <ratrace> hl521: and take this as a less to prepare and have a bootable rescue env available at all times, ssh enabled if that's headless. I've installed and setup a regular (ultra minimal) debian onto an USB stick for that.
793[10:45:27] <ratrace> *lesson
794[10:46:02] <hl521> I mean I have a Gentoo rescue CD ready to go
795[10:46:06] <hl521> er
796[10:46:08] <hl521> USB
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798[10:46:16] <hl521> so I'm just going to use that lol
799[10:46:18] <ratrace> but is it ssh enabled
800[10:46:29] <hl521> yeah, it's the LiveDVD image
801[10:46:58] <hl521> weird thing about the debian server too is it doesn't like dhcp despite trying different methods of trying to get it up lol
802[10:46:59] <ratrace> eek, that's old :) should work I suppose
803[10:47:15] <hl521> it's a lot newer than the hardware the server is on lol
805[10:47:44] <ratrace> yeah but I mean if you're running buster there, the gentoo livedvd might not have compatible software
806[10:47:58] <hl521> oh okay that's fair
807[10:48:16] <hl521> yeah I need to make my own generic Gentoo image on the usb at some point so I can use it for travel without having to carry around a laptop
816[10:52:07] <hl521> it should just be ext4, the debian server is super basic ratrace
817[10:52:35] <hl521> especially since I'm using temporary hardware until I can afford higher specced hardware
818[10:52:36] <Janni> Say I want to remove permissions for all to read/write all the files within a directory but leave the permissions for the owner and the group as they are. How can I do that?
819[10:53:24] <Janni> Optimally there's a "leave as it is" flag for chmod, something like `chmod -R --0`, but I don't think it exists.
823[10:54:07] <ksk> basicly what Wul-f said, maybe tweak it a little to fit your needs.
824[10:54:25] <ratrace> Janni: you can do something like chmod o-rw /that/directory/* if it's flat, or use find like Wulf exampled, if oyu have nested files under it
825[10:54:25] <Janni> ksk: Wouldn't I have to treat the sets of files with differing permissions for owner and group separately?
859[11:14:47] <Lope> is there a package that I can install that will automagically add memtest to my grub?
860[11:16:59] <ksk> Lope: did you just try installing memtest86? I vaquely remember having memtest in grub some time ago (another debian release, maybe?)
913[11:56:53] <lesless> should I throw this disk away "_update_request: critical target error, dev sdb, sector 250069504 op 0x0:(READ) flags 0x80700 phys_seg 1 prio class 0"
930[12:03:22] <Vanfanel> After updating from stable to testing, I can not build SDL2 programs. I have manually rebuilt and reinstalled libSDL2, and programs build but do not link (undefine symbol for every SDL2 function). I have verified the SDL2 libs are in /usr/lib and /usr/lib64 (being /usr/lib64 a symlink to /usr/lib), and I am passing -lSDL2 and -L/usr/lib to the compiler.
931[12:03:38] <Vanfanel> Any ideas, please? This is a mistery
968[12:22:08] <_DeLa_> Am I mistaken, or will creating a Debian 10 install medium on an USB stick automatically render the USB stick "not writable" for any further files?
990[12:40:57] <Vanfanel> It seems that something has changed on the linker from Stable to Testing. In Stable I can do: "gcc -L/usr/lib -lSDL2 -I/usr/include/SDL2 example.c", and it will build fine. However, in Stable I have to do "gcc example.c -L/usr/lib -lSDL2 -I/usr/include/SDL2", or it will fail. So, any idea on what has changed? More strict linker parameter order? Where can I find more about it?
991[12:41:23] <Vanfanel> I mean: I know how it works now, but... what changed exactly?
992[12:43:03] <GigaFlow> it's selfisolation. Why people are not at channels?
1027[13:02:29] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1028[13:02:30] <ZAJDAN> hi....on Debian10 I have added network printer which has also scanner...is possible scan over network also?
1038[13:06:44] <_DeLa_> ksk: Thanks for your feedback! Any way to render the USB stick "writable"? I woud prefer to use free space on external mediums (backup and so on) instead of just "wasting" it ...
1041[13:07:41] <oxek> how can I view SMB drives in Thunar? When I put smb://10.0.0.1/sharename in the location bar, it correctly opens it and I can see the files but I cannot open any files.
1042[13:07:43] <oxek> I am on debian 10, and I have cifs-utils installed
1043[13:07:51] <oxek> I prefer to do it through thunar because mounting the drive using `mount -t cifs //10.0.0.1/sharename /mnt/sharename` requires root privileges
1048[13:13:44] <dka> I am trying to pull some backup made on my server using rsync, I have : I also have rsync: chgrp "/media/dka/T5 2TO/2020-04-29/git/private/.1588156760_2020_04_29_12.8.2_gitlab_backup.tar.IdiAZJ" failed: Operation not permitted (1)
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1089[13:55:30] <ksk> _DeLa_: I know some "lets create a bootable usb stick"-tools have an option for that, but no Idea how that is done on a lower level so to say..
1130[14:34:16] <Rico> I'm trying to use a preseed file for auto-install a debian buster. it seems that the preseed file is not taken into account by debian installer (netinst iso)
1131[14:34:57] <Rico> /install.amd/vmlinux vga=788 initrd=... auto url=replaced-url
1135[14:35:36] <dka> I am trying to download a 6.5Go tar.gz backup from my dedicated server with rsync, it gaves me the error: File too large (27), my FS is Fat32, I was expecting to be able to write 32GB files
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1146[14:41:03] <winterflaw> Hi. I have a dev board (Odroid N2) with a Debian minimal image and I'm trying to configure a single, static IP address. I've been trying for a day and a half so far and I'm at the point where I'm out of ideas. Advice and guidance desperately/gratefully received!
1152[14:42:19] <winterflaw> My approach has been to edit /etc/network/interfaces to look like this (actual newlines instead of \n, obviously); auto eth0\n iface eth0 inet static\n address 10.0.0.1
1153[14:43:06] <winterflaw> And to apt-get purge the DHCP client packages and then reboot. If I then attach the dev board by ethernet to my laptop, also Debian and which has 10.0.0.0 as a static on ethernet, I can't ping.
1155[14:43:46] <discovered> I have a new wifi adapter ZyXEL 6605. But it is not detecting wifi interface
1156[14:44:23] <discovered> lsusb detecting the device
1157[14:45:02] <winterflaw> The one thing which is a possible clue is that when I ssh to the dev board (when it's using DHCP and is plugged into the router), there's no /dev/eth* and also no /dev/en*. I understand the new naming schema means eth0 can be gone, but then I'd expect an "en", and it's not there. Also if I use 'ip link show' I get this "eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000",
1158[14:45:02] <winterflaw> which as you see has eth0.
1198[14:56:50] <Na_Klar> I want to create a file which is filled up from /dev/hwrng. I simply cat /dev/hwrng > file.data ... how could I be in control over the filesize? Is this possible just in shell or would I need a script?
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1260[15:28:19] <ws2k3> and how about file (1).csv
1261[15:29:08] <cyveris> rm 'file (1).csv' or rm file\ \(1\).csv
1262[15:29:22] <cyveris> Hence the 'escape the character' statement.
1263[15:29:41] <ws2k3> cyveris i cant use tab to autocomplete on that?
1264[15:29:42] <cyveris> Prefixing a character with a backslash tells the shell to interpret the character literally - as just a character - rather than something with a special meaning.
1265[15:29:50] <cyveris> ws2k3: You should be able to, yes.
1407[17:22:14] <winterflaw> Hola. I appear to have no ethernet devices in /dev - no ethN, and no new name-style en or ep or anything like them. Tools like iconfig all report "eth0".
1408[17:22:27] <winterflaw> Is it normal now that ethernet is missing from /dev?
1409[17:22:45] <winterflaw> and in general how should you find out the device name for an ethernet device?
1425[17:28:46] <ShotokanZH> let me explain with an example: 'touch A; ln -s A B; mount --bind /dev/null B' what i expect is B to appear as /dev/null, instead A is modified.
1427[17:28:51] <somiaj> winterflaw: internet devices don't appear in /dev, check 'ip a' do you see all your interfaces there?
1428[17:28:53] <winterflaw> actually given I'm on buster I'm surprised to be seeing eth0 anyway
1429[17:29:19] <winterflaw> som -> I do indeed see them all
1430[17:29:26] <winterflaw> when did eth0 et al stop turning up in dev?
1431[17:29:32] <somiaj> winterflaw: there are ways to return to the old naming system.
1432[17:29:33] <ShotokanZH> I am also trying with syscalls but it seems even those are following symbolic links
1433[17:29:39] <usney> when installing debian and you login to your new system am I suppose to have these folders in my home folder? "tmp and bin"? there is nothing in them just curious why they would be there.
1434[17:29:40] <somiaj> winterflaw: I don't ever recall network interfaces being in /dev
1435[17:29:51] <winterflaw> yes, but I don't want to use them - I just want to understand what I have now
1436[17:30:08] <winterflaw> okay, well, that's that mystery cleared up
1437[17:30:13] <winterflaw> thankyou very much somiaj
1438[17:30:18] <somiaj> usney: That does seem odd to me, I don't think they should be there by default (Though I have them in my $HOME and use them)
1439[17:30:51] <somiaj> usney: do you see them in /etc/skel/?
1440[17:30:52] <usney> I did setup the seperated partitions though maybe that has something to do with it?
1441[17:31:40] <usney> no just the templates folder is there.
1442[17:31:45] <somiaj> usney: I personally wouldn't worry about it if there is nothing in them, it does seem odd to me though, as though they are used, I dno't think they are there by default.
1443[17:32:02] <usney> okay
1444[17:32:04] <usney> thank you
1445[17:32:20] <usney> I did a fresh install a couple of days ago.
1446[17:32:24] <somiaj> I know the default .bashrc you see in /etc/skel/ will add $HOME/bin to your $PATH if it exists, but I don't think it usually creates them by default.
1448[17:33:02] <somiaj> ShotokanZH: I don't quite follow you, what don't you want to follow symbolic links? You have a mount and you don't want that mount to allow links?
1450[17:33:30] <ShotokanZH> somiaj, I want to mount ON TOP of a symbolic link
1451[17:33:32] <usney> I thought that is just environment variables for menu generator and being able to access apps via the command line properly
1452[17:33:46] <somiaj> ShotokanZH: I think your ln comand is backwards.
1453[17:34:18] <ShotokanZH> somiaj, the command is ok, i'm testing with that :) it creates a B symbolic link pointing to A
1454[17:35:37] <wsky> i got this weird issue, i use an usb headset and i get cracking sounds in it on debian 10
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1456[17:35:54] <somiaj> ShotokanZH: I don't know the details well enough, but my guess is works as expected, why are you trying to mount on a link? Mounts need a directory, so most likely mount instead of failing just mounts at the directory the link points to.
1457[17:35:54] <wsky> spontanious cracks at random times
1463[17:37:06] <wsky> if i move wire around it does not happen
1464[17:37:08] <somiaj> ShotokanZH: hmm, anyways maybe someone who knows the details here can explain what is happening, but my guess is it is working as designed, and you are just expecting it to do something else.
1465[17:37:36] <ShotokanZH> somiaj, in this specific case the link is pointing to a socket file and in determinated conditions I need to mount another file on top of it, without replacing the original socket file
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1467[17:37:56] <ShotokanZH> in this case A is owerwritten and B is not, while i need the exact opposite
1468[17:38:49] <ShotokanZH> sadly mounting the parent directory using a unionfs (or similar fs) is not possible due to other conditions
1478[17:41:49] <somiaj> ShotokanZH: maybe someone with more knowledge than I can add to this, I can't seem to find a description why a symbolic link cannot be a mount point.
1479[17:41:55] <neilthereildeil> what is the "5.4.19-1~bpo10+1" here?
1480[17:42:02] <somiaj> neilthereildeil: the kernel version
1481[17:42:11] <ShotokanZH> somiaj, thank you man
1482[17:42:20] <neilthereildeil> then what is "5.4.0-0.bpo.4-amd64"?
1483[17:42:35] <somiaj> neilthereildeil: kernel name (which is the debian package that it comes from)
1484[17:42:59] <neilthereildeil> this wasnt a debian package. i got this but git cloning kernelorg
1491[17:43:55] <somiaj> that kernel version seems to match the version in buster-backports exactly, and I dont' think building your own kernel would do that.
1492[17:43:56] <neilthereildeil> ohh
1493[17:44:11] <neilthereildeil> how would i know if this is a custom kernel?
1494[17:44:21] <neilthereildeil> i built my kernel but dont remember if i installed it
1495[17:44:29] <somiaj> how did you build your custom kernel?
1496[17:44:33] <neilthereildeil> git clone
1497[17:44:38] <neilthereildeil> make menuconfig
1498[17:44:45] <somiaj> I suggest you build with 'make deb-pkg' this should create a .deb you can install
1499[17:44:53] <neilthereildeil> make debball i think
1500[17:44:55] <neilthereildeil> yea
1501[17:44:57] <zodd> when using mkchromecast it cannot detect cast devices even without a firewall enabled. But as I noticed it also uses /usr/bin/python instead of enforcing python3 I wonder if this software is not deprecated and has a better alternative?
1502[17:45:00] <neilthereildeil> i used the deb
1503[17:45:02] <somiaj> did you install the package, and then boot from it?
1504[17:45:12] <neilthereildeil> thats what i would have done
1505[17:45:26] <somiaj> it appears you are on the debian backports kernel, so you aren't booting into your custom kernel
1506[17:45:48] <neilthereildeil> ok, and you can tell that because of the "bpo"?
1508[17:46:19] <somiaj> partly, the full version matches the one in buster-backports exactly. A custom kernel should not have this version unless you did something to force it to
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1526[17:57:33] <ksk> usney: As far as I know journal is not persistent by default - so you dont have any logs (whoever though that this was a good idea..)
1527[17:57:37] <ksk> thought*
1528[17:57:38] <usney> I wasn't used it the computer crashed when I was sleeping and I didn't have any software apps open that are not run in the background or at startup so all user started apps were closed.
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1542[17:59:24] <ratrace> there is in buster
1543[17:59:30] <ratrace> you're thinking of !debian-next
1544[17:59:56] <ratrace> and syslog by default logs *.* to /var/log/syslog, among other filters, so pretty much everything is syslogged
1545[18:00:25] <somiaj> ratrace: I don't see kernel messages in syslog on my system
1546[18:00:45] <usney> cool hopefully it isn't larger than my var partition but probably not since it is a fresh install
1547[18:00:46] <ratrace> by default kern.* goes to /var/log/kern.log
1548[18:02:02] <somiaj> ratrace: thanks for the clarifiction, I guess I was under the impression that only some of the logs by default were redirected to /var/log/...., and not everything.
1550[18:02:49] <ratrace> somiaj: and btw, by defautl you _should_ see stuff from dmesg in /var/log/syslog due to default *.*
1551[18:03:03] <ratrace> if you don't see them, then they've rotated out since you've booted
1552[18:03:09] <somiaj> yea, I just haven't rebooted in a while so it has been rotated out, I findally found it
1553[18:04:04] <ratrace> usney: ideally you'll want to enable persistent systemd journal so you could do neat tricks like "show me last 100 entries before crash" via journalctl -b -1 -n 100
1554[18:04:52] <somiaj> I did reboot yesterday due to the kernel security update, so luckly I didn't have to go to far to find where it was rotated out
1557[18:06:06] <dpkg> In Debian releases 8-10, systemd's journal is not persistent by default. To enable the persistent journal, see systemd-journald.service(8) or «mkdir -p /var/log/journal; systemd-tmpfiles --create --prefix /var/log/journal». Persistent will be the default in Debian 11+.
1558[18:07:41] <ratrace> I prefer being explicit about it in /etc/systemd/journald.conf , instead of implicit by coaxing tmpfiles to pre-create the dir on boot. feels dirty, that way.
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1560[18:08:39] <somiaj> thought it is good to know that everything is being redirected to syslog though, for somereason I thought only some of the logs were being redirected, but it wasn't as complete as journald. So outside of logrotate getting rid of old logs after a set time, everything is there it seems.
1561[18:09:01] <greycat> ratrace: I'm just following the documentation...
1562[18:09:07] <ratrace> can't forward only some btw, journald has no filtering capabilities
1563[18:09:40] <ratrace> (filtering in forwarding, it does have filtering when querying the db with journalctl, of course)
1564[18:09:45] <somiaj> ratrace: yea, last time I checked I hadn't rebooted for about a month, so most things were not there, and I miss assoicated why.
1565[18:10:13] <somiaj> they had been rotated out vs not being there in the first place
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1569[18:11:04] <ratrace> my preference is keeping journald as a short 100MB in-memory ("volatile") buffer before syslog, then alter the (inane default) rsyslog config to separate out stuff neatly into errors.log, kern.log, cron.log and messages with everything else; mail.log on servers with mail, etc...
1576[18:15:16] <usney> okay going to run that command now ratrace
1577[18:15:26] <usney> just had to see what those options did first
1578[18:16:02] <ratrace> usney: won't have any effect unless you've had persistend journald before the crash, which is not default on buster
1579[18:16:21] <usney> how do I turn it on by default?
1580[18:16:32] <usney> I mean how to I enable it?
1581[18:16:49] <ratrace> annadane told you via factoid, scroll up
1582[18:16:58] <usney> okay thank you
1583[18:18:09] <usney> I don't see anybody with that username in my scrolllog
1584[18:18:24] <ratrace> !persistent journal
1585[18:18:24] <dpkg> In Debian releases 8-10, systemd's journal is not persistent by default. To enable the persistent journal, see systemd-journald.service(8) or «mkdir -p /var/log/journal; systemd-tmpfiles --create --prefix /var/log/journal». Persistent will be the default in Debian 11+.
1586[18:18:26] <usney> but I'll web search for it
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1599[18:21:11] <annadane> should i just nuke dpkg's preexisting suggestion and replace it entirely?
1600[18:21:19] <ratrace> dunno why the factoid goes on with the convoluted way but I misread it, thought it said to look up journald.conf ..... instead of systemd-journald.service
1602[18:21:30] <oxek> I have an insurmountable problem for me in debian with connecting to samba shares. I am using debian 10 xfce. I have cifs-utils, smbclient, gigolo installed. Using thunar, I can open a remote windows share by going to smb://10.0.0.1/sharename. I can see the files, I can delete and create files, I can move files around, I can copy files from remote to local, I can copy from local to remote.
1603[18:21:40] <oxek> However, I cannot read any of the files on the remote share
1604[18:21:48] <usney> hi oxek
1605[18:21:48] <oxek> no text files, no images, no videos
1606[18:21:53] <ratrace> annadane: I'd just have the factoid instruct people to look up Storage= param in journald.conf(5) manpage
1614[18:23:03] <oxek> usney: not a permission issue given that it works in debian testing
1615[18:23:16] <oxek> it is a remote windows share on a windows 10 machine
1616[18:23:22] <usney> okay
1617[18:23:44] <usney> so you can't open the files like play videos and such?
1618[18:23:46] <oxek> interesting thing is that when I double click on the bookmark in gigolo, nothing happens in debian stable, whereas the share opens in debian testing
1619[18:24:03] <oxek> usney: indeed, I cannot open the files. When I open a text file, it instead opens an empty file.
1625[18:25:55] <oxek> I can see in debian testing that the following location is created /run/user/1000/gvfs/smb-share:...
1626[18:26:07] <oxek> whereas on debian stable /run/user/1000/gvfs/ remains empty
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1628[18:26:33] <somiaj> ratrace: journald.conf manpage doens't incldue the systemd-tmpfiles --create --prefix /var/log/journal step to ensure correct permissions
1629[18:27:38] <ratrace> because it's not needed. the correct way is to set Storage=persistent, done. the _default_ systemd is Storage=auto which checks if /var/log/journal exists, and if it does, treats it as the storage unit, and since it's on disk, it's implicitly then persistent
1630[18:27:47] <oxek> and when I try to open a textfile in debian testing on the remote share, it shows the file location as /run/user/1000/gvfs/smb-share:server=... whereas on debian stable it just opens Untitled 1
1631[18:28:04] <somiaj> though I guess it will create it if you change the configuration of Storage= correctly, so it is a matter of how you want to enable this, though in debian 11 this should no longer be an issue
1633[18:28:16] <oxek> I have been fighting with this for the 2nd day, so any help is appreciated
1634[18:28:17] <ratrace> somiaj: that is in support of immutable rootfs or /etc, but mutable /var. which is convoluted and should not be the default way to set storage persistence.
1643[18:32:23] <usney> spacefm is pretty nice too it is another light weight gtk based file manager.
1644[18:32:27] <jhutchins> Perhaps managing filesystems and mounts should be done at the root console level, not through a crappy ineficient GUI.
1645[18:32:46] <ratrace> wise advice.
1646[18:33:16] <oxek> I can add the share manually using `sudo mount -t cifs //10.0.0.1/sharename /mnt/sharename` and it works if I then navigate to /mnt/sharename
1654[18:34:22] <oxek> yes, using fstab would work, if the shares were always at the same location with same name
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1656[18:35:06] <oxek> the other thing is that eventually this laptop is given to someone else who will not have root privileges on the machine, so sudo must not be required for this
1664[18:36:51] <winterflaw> I've been trying to set up a single static IP address on a dev board running Debian. I've not been able to do so. It's been two days of trying, now giving up. I have no idea why it doesn't work, which is really the frustrating thing - you always want to know.
1684[18:41:49] <greycat> you want to tell the Debian mpv package that youtube-dl has been provided, without installing the Debian youtube-dl package? equivs.
1690[18:42:24] <dpkg> equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>.
1691[18:42:31] <somiaj> (to add to greycat comment)
1692[18:42:31] <usney> oh yes I forgot I can just ln the /usr/localbin to /usr/bin
1704[18:43:48] <annadane> because /usr/bin contains critical stuff and you don't want to link it to /usr/local/bin
1705[18:43:52] <usney> are you talking to me annadane ?
1706[18:43:56] <ratrace> oxek: clobbers packaged file in /usr/bin/ (assuming usney really meant symlinking /usr/local/bin/youtube-dl and not the entire dir)
1707[18:44:20] <usney> no I mean link /usr/local/bin/youtube-dl to /usr/bin/youtube-dl
1708[18:44:24] <somiaj> oxek: dpkg will overwrite any changes you make the next time the package is upgraded. In general you should let dpkg manage the files in /usr, use /usr/local for local/custom stuff.
1709[18:44:36] <oxek> ratrace: it is safe in the case of youtube-dl though, especially since the version packaged for debian stable plainly does not work anymore due to changes on youtube website.
1710[18:44:49] <somiaj> usney: so in this case, just install mpv without youtube-dl, no need for equivs as the depends is not a require depends (only recommended)
1711[18:44:59] <ratrace> oxek: that's orthogonal to symlinking a file while packaged one exists
1714[18:45:17] <ratrace> meanwhile, I'm just using youtube-dl from a virtualenv .....
1715[18:45:31] <usney> in the python virtualenv?
1716[18:45:31] <ratrace> SPEAKING OF WHICH..... google broke latest youtube-dl just yesterday, can't dl anything
1717[18:45:41] <somiaj> oxek: that link adds on additional functionality to your system (since /usr/local/bin is already in your PATH), and only causes problem.
1718[18:45:48] <ratrace> usney: yes, created a venv, and then pip-installed youtube-dl in it
1719[18:45:50] <usney> I haven't used it lately so I wouldn't know
1722[18:46:14] <ratrace> usney: done what, the virtualenv pip install?
1723[18:46:15] <oxek> imo youtube-dl should not be packaged for debian stable, only for debian testing due to frequent updates.
1724[18:46:19] <somiaj> oxek: also since /usr/local/bin take priority over /usr/bin, that link will never be used.
1725[18:46:30] <annadane> youtube-dl *should*, in a perfect world, work without too many updates, but unfortunately corporations don't like to play nice
1726[18:46:47] <usney> how do you keep doing that would having to source activate each time you want to use youtube-dl? ratrace yes the virtualenv pip youtube-dl install.
1727[18:46:49] <oxek> somiaj: maybe I confused the directories then.
1728[18:46:56] <usney> without having to*
1729[18:46:58] <ratrace> pretty sure corps are just protecting their interests and youtube-dl is the leech here :) </devils-advocate> :)
1730[18:47:16] * annadane disagrees with the devils advocate
1731[18:47:35] <ratrace> usney: you don't actually have to source activate. that only modifies $PATH so you can symlink into the venv/bin/.... directly, as those py files are hardcoded for the venv python
1733[18:47:57] <somiaj> I personally suggest downloading and putting it in $HOME/bin, but that is because I am on a system in which other users don't need access to that binary.
1734[18:48:11] <usney> how can I avoid doing the source activate each time do I have to change my environment variables? ratrace
1735[18:48:22] <ratrace> usney: I literally just told you
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1911[20:23:53] <somiaj> we don't supported based on debian here, and it appears you really just have dpkg/apt on top of something eles. This issue is probably more related to the makefile being used though.
1912[20:24:37] <simplicius> the debian build system leaves a lot to be desired
1913[20:25:04] <joepublic> your desires are noted and will be carefully considered.
1914[20:25:10] <greycat> what "debian build system" are you even talking about
1915[20:26:41] <simplicius> If I forget to include some header it doesn't even alert me
1918[20:27:47] <somiaj> what? Are you budling a .deb? If so you should state this, so far you have stated you are using gcc and make which isn't the debian build system, but the make build system.
1919[20:28:01] <cyveris> And also not running Debian.
1920[20:28:11] <simplicius> I'm try to build my project
1921[20:28:23] <somiaj> simplicius: and you are using make to do this?
1922[20:28:30] <simplicius> yes
1923[20:28:32] <tarzeau> simplicius: it's far better than the rpm, solaris pkg, and many others
1924[20:28:43] <tarzeau> simplicius: and your project is where? url?
1925[20:28:52] <somiaj> simplicius: Well you aren't even running debian, and make is not the debian build system, maybe try ##linux.
1926[20:29:03] <cyveris> He's not even running Linux. He's on some Solaris derivative.
1933[20:29:52] <greycat> This is pointless. *plonk*
1934[20:30:17] <greycat> He's not running Debian, he's not correctly stating what he's doing, he's not giving DETAILS necessary to understand the issue, ....
1935[20:30:34] <cyveris> simplicius: This is not the channel for your issue. Please stop spamming off-topic stuff.
1936[20:30:40] <cyveris> You're not running Debian, or even Linux.
1937[20:30:45] <tarzeau> greycat: just like at work "it doesn't work :)"
1938[20:30:52] <tarzeau> my favourite bug report
1939[20:31:16] <dvs> heh
1940[20:31:22] <cast4dx> i've followed this advice to enable autologin for Xfce + lightdm on Debian buster running in a KVM vm, but it doesn't autologin, where should i start looking for the problem?
1959[20:40:52] <oxek> I tried `apt autoremove` but it did not remove them
1960[20:41:32] <oxek> for example: I installed smbclient and it pulled samba-common with it. I now uninstalled smbclient but samba-common remains. I run `apt autoremove` and nothing is removed.
1961[20:42:23] <dvs> oxek, maybe because another package can use it (a suggested package)
1962[20:42:41] <oxek> hmm, do suggested packages work this way?
1963[20:43:14] <oxek> `apt list samba-common` still shows it is automatically installed
1964[20:43:27] <somiaj> oxek: yes, autoremove will only remove auto packages that are not dependeded on, recommended by or suggested by another manual package you have installed
1966[20:43:44] <somiaj> so if apt installs a package that is suggested by another package you already have installed, autoremove won't remove it.
1967[20:44:01] <oxek> I did not know that, thanks for telling me
1968[20:44:12] <oxek> it's not how I'd imagine 'suggested' packages would work
1969[20:44:18] <oxek> if they were automatically installed
1970[20:44:31] <oxek> greycat: any way of doing it with apt instead of aptitude?
1971[20:44:55] <somiaj> yea, the issue is recommended packages are installed by default, but suggested are not, so you could have a package that suggests another package on your system already.
1972[20:45:09] <greycat> It is for INFORMATION GATHERING PURPOSES, just fucking do it.
1973[20:45:12] <greycat> Jesus.
1974[20:45:14] <somiaj> oxek: I don't think the 'why' and 'why-not' capabilities have been added to apt.
1975[20:45:32] <somiaj> oxek: you could try to search through the reverse depends yourself, but aptitude does such a nice job here.
1976[20:46:14] <somiaj> though more and more apt is getting some of the aptitude only features, maybe one day this will be part of apt
1977[20:46:17] <oxek> I don't have aptitude and am afraid that if I install it it will pull in a whole bunch of packages that will not be autoremoved afterwards
1988[20:48:11] <JyZyXEL> does Discords voice calls work for other Chromium users here?
1989[20:48:27] <somiaj> rozie: this isn't the issue, the issue was some package depends was another packages suggested, that would not change what happened.
1990[20:48:46] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: any reason you aren't using the discord app?
1991[20:48:56] <JyZyXEL> somiaj: that works on debian?
1992[20:48:57] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: I haven't tried using chromium with discord, but the app always worked for me.
2011[20:54:03] <JyZyXEL> greycat: so it would only work for official debian packages?
2012[20:54:43] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: You can extract the .deb and look at it if you really want. Again I had no issues with installing it and trust it to be safe with debian for whatever that is worth.
2013[20:55:02] <greycat> JyZyXEL: that is completely incorrect. Did you even *try*? Or *look*?
2014[20:55:02] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: that would work for any package you have installed, so you have to install it frist.
2016[20:55:31] <somiaj> greycat: though I think they were wanting the output from a system that has it installed, I don't think they have actually insalled the package yet.
2023[20:56:31] <somiaj> greycat: they wanted someone who had it installed to do that.
2024[20:56:33] <JyZyXEL> somiaj: you are right, it's pretty much just a self contained binary with some /usr/share resources
2025[20:57:21] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: it is a launcher I belive, the actuall app is installed in $HOME, so it can get updates indpenednet of hte pakage if I recall (I have been using windows on my desktop for a while now due to some software incompadabilities with work so I can't check)
2026[20:57:28] <greycat> somiaj: oh, it's an English proficiency issue. They asked how dpkg -L works, but they *meant* "please run dpkg -L for me and report the output".
2031[21:01:58] <Ede|Popede> somiaj: that's actually what i did some time ago (remembered it because i did the samee with Tox just recently): download the .deb and look into it (including install scripts - if possible i prefer to throw 3rd party stuff into /usr/local and i'm not afraid of some additional manual work.
2032[21:01:58] <Ede|Popede> they both had 2 things in common: electron based and both installer scripts were checking for the chromium sandbox being SUID root. didn't like this. is it just me or is this suboptimal, thinking of the trouble around even good old beep?
2033[21:05:24] <JyZyXEL> somiaj: thank you. got it firejailed now and mic is working :)
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2049[21:12:37] <m0rr1gan> hello, I have a docker container running debian buster. The `default-mysql-client` does not provide the `caching_sha2_password.so` for interacting with default mysql 8 passwords. How would I best be able to install that file? PPA? I'd prefer not to downgrade the password hashing in mysql
2077[21:32:39] <bdax> does anyone know of a good way to to automount usbs? debian's wiki says autofs is deprecated in favour of usbmount, but usbmount isn't available on debian buster
2078[21:33:03] <somiaj> bdax: do you not use a DE?
2083[21:34:23] <somiaj> okay, yea I use a simple wm myself, but also don't like auto anything so I manually mount my usb drives, hence I'm unsure what tool is prefered now
2084[21:34:42] <somiaj> seems systemd can do automuting, and maybe udsiks2
2085[21:34:46] <somiaj> ,i udisks2
2086[21:34:47] <judd> Package udisks2 (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: D-Bus service to access and manipulate storage devices. Version: 2.8.1-4; Size: 360.7k; Installed: 2361k; Homepage: replaced-url
2110[21:54:19] <lwp> I try to be knowledgeable about making install media, so I have a question about some USB-writing advice from earlier today -- it seems to be the opposite of what I thought is correct:
2111[21:54:40] <lwp> 05:48:56 <dvs> Eryn_1983_FL, you don't need sync for dd 05:52:40 <dvs> Eryn_1983_FL, if you use cat, you must use sync
2130[22:06:57] <jhutchins> The system will eventually sync on it's own, and I believe it will sync if you umount it. Most GUI device handlers will also sync on "eject".
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2132[22:08:06] <dvs> jhutchins, you don't mount if you are making install media
2136[22:09:47] <lwp> the question is not "eventually" the question is when is it safe to remove the USB stick? some may be tempted to pull the device as soon as the dd command returns to a command prompt
2145[22:17:34] <bitblit> hello, i think i messed up the perms on my vm's qcow2. anyone know what the defaults should be? tried owner as libvirt-qemu:kvm.
2154[22:23:13] <ratrace> why are you using ubuntu ppas on debian... that's not gonna work, ever. meanwhile, you probably just have to remove the repo config file from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ or reverse whatever way you used to add it in the first place.
2155[22:25:15] <annadane> you needed a ppa for emacs of all things?
2157[22:25:29] <horribleprogram> I looked in sources.list didn't see it
2158[22:25:34] <horribleprogram> LOL
2159[22:25:41] <ratrace> that's because you're on ubuntu
2160[22:25:42] <horribleprogram> there's a bug in the normal emacs
2161[22:25:43] <ratrace> !ubuntu
2162[22:25:44] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
2163[22:25:50] <horribleprogram> I'm not I'm on Debian
2164[22:26:03] <horribleprogram> I added that repo from a SO solution
2165[22:26:07] <ratrace> so which _debian_ command did you use to add the ppa?
2166[22:26:07] <horribleprogram> didn't realize it was for ubuntu lol
2167[22:26:18] <horribleprogram> apt-add-repository or something
2168[22:26:49] <horribleprogram> yeah I see the .list file
2169[22:26:55] <horribleprogram> in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
2204[22:41:46] <ratrace> well there's a local priv escalation that I always treat as "remote vuln" due to possibility of multi-stage intrusion through public services...
2205[22:43:14] <greycat> that's not clear in the changelog.gz ... first one is KVM only, checking the second...
2260[23:38:40] <somiaj> various network traffic tools can help with this. iptraf (now iptraf-ng) I think can list network usage and tie it to processes
2276[23:47:10] <ryouma> f8e4: nethogs -p -- show /unix process/ and bandwidth hogs real time
2277[23:47:30] <greycat> Seems to me the first step would be to identify the protocol and port involved, and then you can work backward from that to see what process was in charge of that port at the time.
2278[23:48:16] <greycat> ... or, there might be a special-purpose tool already written
2279[23:48:24] <ryouma> there is also a tool taht shows connections in real time so it is lower volume. color coded. soyou coulod look at that stream for something with a 1m period.
2280[23:48:41] <ryouma> dunno its name
2281[23:48:56] <greycat> ntop?
2282[23:49:31] <somiaj> yea seems iptraf only gives ipaddress/ports but not actuall process
2283[23:49:38] <greycat> nethogs does look promising