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7 [00:05:38] <lwp> metbsd, did you get your network fixed finally?
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13 [00:09:51] <jjakob> !dpkg util-linux buster
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16 [00:14:33] <jjakob> how do you use this thing
17 [00:14:46] <sney> !msg the bot
18 [00:14:47] <dpkg> Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and replaced-url
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38 [00:21:02] <crhylove> Hey, how do I upgrade the Debian repos for dolphin-emu? You're pointed to one that is 4 years old.
39 [00:21:14] <crhylove> Is this the right chan?
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41 [00:23:12] <lwp> ,i dolphin-emu
42 [00:23:13] <judd> Package dolphin-emu (games, optional) in buster/amd64: Gamecube and Wii emulator. Version: 5.0+dfsg-5; Size: 1465.9k; Installed: 5221k; Homepage: replaced-url
43 [00:23:39] <lwp> crhylove, what is pointed to a too-old version exactly?
44 [00:24:15] <crhylove> replaced-url
45 [00:24:23] <crhylove> The Beta versions should be pointed to.
46 [00:24:32] <crhylove> Not the "stable" release from 4 years ago.
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48 [00:24:57] <lwp> ,v dolphin-emu
49 [00:24:58] <judd> Package: dolphin-emu on amd64 -- stretch: 5.0+dfsg-1+b1; buster: 5.0+dfsg-5; bullseye: 5.0+dfsg-6; sid: 5.0+dfsg-6
50 [00:25:10] <crhylove> Yeah, that's 4 years old.
51 [00:25:29] <crhylove> They have a github, if that helps?
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55 [00:26:58] <crhylove> replaced-url
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58 [00:27:07] <crhylove> Should be pointed at Master branch, not "stable".
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66 [00:28:55] <crhylove> lwp, Let me know if I can help!
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76 [00:39:11] <crhylove> replaced-url
77 [00:39:21] <lwp> crhylove, the debian repos don't actually point to something external, they contain the latest sources and binaries prepared by the debian maintainers. The debian maintainers for that debian package are the Debian Games team. You can contact them via their mailing list, see this link: replaced-url
78 [00:39:59] <crhylove> lwp, Thanks!
79 [00:40:28] <lwp> Yes, as shown on that tracker page. It looks like they are semi-active, and might appreciate your input/suggestions
80 [00:40:42] <greycat> Or file a wishlist bug against the package, asking them to package a newer version.
81 [00:41:05] <greycat> It should be noted that Debian's release cycle is all around making a stable release, which means a *specific* version will be chosen and frozen.
82 [00:41:21] <greycat> The only exceptions are web browsers, really.
83 [00:41:32] <greycat> It turns out, there's no such thing as a stable web browser.
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86 [00:44:18] <crhylove> OK, I mailed the mailing list, told them they want "Master" not "Stable". Thanks for your help!
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118 [01:14:20] <riceandbeans> I have d-i pkgsel/exclude string bluez bluetooth iw in a preseed where for the tasksel the only thing specific is sshserver, and I'm still getting a bunch of bluetooth and wireless packages installed on the box, to include specifically bluez and bluetooth, any idea what I'm doing wrong? I'm trying to make a very stripped down install and there is no reason why these packages should exist on a VM.
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145 [01:43:17] <trek00> riceandbeans: try to disable recommended packages: d-i base-installer/install-recommends boolean false
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151 [01:45:32] <riceandbeans> trek00: Thank you, I'll try that
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153 [01:48:33] <riceandbeans> hey trek00 one more for you, if you really want to save the day...
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155 [01:49:17] <riceandbeans> trek00: About 30 seconds into the install I get asked if I want to pop in any other CD/DVD and I have to hit 'No', but other than that the install is start to end automated
156 [01:49:26] <riceandbeans> trek00: I can't figure out what debconf option it is
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159 [01:49:58] <riceandbeans> trek00: I dumped the debconf selections and exfil'd from the VM, something like 1600 lines, trimmed out all the comments and unrelated, and I'm down to about 20 or so lines
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163 [01:57:04] <jmcnaught> riceandbeans: 'apt-cdrom-setup apt-setup/cdrom/set-next boolean false' ?
164 [01:57:27] <ceska> hey. How to set back defaults relatined to Python in system? I think I;ve brake my system with trying to change defaults. Sure I'm Kubuntu, but I guess this is not realy diferent? Thanks in advance.
165 [01:57:51] <sney> !ubuntuirc
166 [01:57:51] <dpkg> This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using HexChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
167 [01:58:12] <trek00> riceandbeans: may be this help? replaced-url
168 [01:58:40] <ceska> hey. How to set back defaults relatined to Python in system? I think I;ve brake my system with trying to change defaults. Sure I'm Kubuntu, but I guess this is not realy diferent? Thanks in advance.
169 [01:59:06] <ceska> sorry. my bad.
170 [01:59:11] <ceska> please ignore
171 [01:59:12] <somiaj> ceska: go ask kubuntu support.
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175 [02:01:29] <trek00> riceandbeans: see for more info replaced-url
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189 [02:18:32] <MisterRichard> When I have a drive failing, the console shows up a lot of ata errors. How do I have these errors go to syslog instead of the console ?
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193 [02:22:23] <somiaj> MisterRichard: replaced-url
194 [02:22:40] <somiaj> or dmesg -D
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196 [02:24:17] <MisterRichard> somiaj, thx, ok so my plan is to output dmesg to a file ?
197 [02:24:48] <trek00> MisterRichard: you should have these errors inside /var/log/kern.log
198 [02:25:46] <MisterRichard> trek00, hmm, no, they are not there
199 [02:26:02] <trek00> syslog?
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201 [02:26:11] <MisterRichard> trek00, no, nor messages
202 [02:27:19] <MisterRichard> they show up on the console
203 [02:27:21] <trek00> MisterRichard: it should, do you have some rsyslogd configuration changed?
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205 [02:27:46] <MisterRichard> trek00, no, stock install
206 [02:28:06] <trek00> MisterRichard: debian buster?
207 [02:28:15] <somiaj> what about journald? if you follow the instructions to make a pereistant journal you can have them between boots
208 [02:28:34] <somiaj> well due to systemd, things aren't logged the same as they were in the past, i'm not sure what logs get used by default anymore.
209 [02:28:36] <MisterRichard> trek00, yes buster
210 [02:29:11] <trek00> MisterRichard: yep check if they are logged on journald, may be they are not redirected to syslog
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213 [02:29:37] <trek00> MisterRichard: or grep -l "error message" /var/log/*
214 [02:30:37] <MisterRichard> trek00, no ata messages in any of the logs
215 [02:30:51] <trek00> MisterRichard: then check with journalctl
216 [02:33:18] <MisterRichard> is dmesg still used ?
217 [02:33:44] <trek00> dmesg is independent from the system logging
218 [02:34:17] <MisterRichard> my dmesg has a timestamp of 2015
219 [02:34:36] <MisterRichard> doesn't dmesg get created every boot ?
220 [02:34:48] <trek00> MisterRichard: it depends by systemd configuration
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223 [02:35:19] <trek00> MisterRichard: check if those error messages are inside the journal at first: journalctl
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225 [02:36:28] <MisterRichard> somiaj, trek00, ok thx, I will investigate journald
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283 [03:41:45] <jak2000> how to update: Release: 8.11 to debian 9 or 10?
284 [03:42:51] <dvs> !release notes
285 [03:42:51] <dpkg> The release notes for Debian 10 "Buster" are at replaced-url
286 [03:43:14] <dvs> jak2000, but you need to go from 8->9 then 9->10
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288 [03:45:22] <lwp> dpkg, jessie->stretch
289 [03:45:22] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
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293 [03:46:46] <lwp> jak2000: do what dpkg suggests first, which will update your debian 8.11 (jessie) to debian 9 (stretch)
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300 [03:49:07] <jak2000> 1) /etc/apt/sources.list change "jessie" to "stretch"
301 [03:49:11] <jak2000> replaced-url
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303 [03:50:17] <dvs> jak2000, we have no idea about line 4. It's better to comment it out.
304 [03:50:33] <jak2000> ok before do the upgdate upgrade
305 [03:50:58] <lwp> yes, put a # at the start of line 4
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308 [03:51:25] <jak2000> 2) apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
309 [03:51:48] <dvs> noope
310 [03:51:51] <jak2000> no?
311 [03:52:05] <jak2000> why not?
312 [03:52:12] <dvs> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
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314 [03:52:58] <jak2000> i run this: 2) apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade after that do: apt-get dist-upgrade right?
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316 [03:53:22] <dvs> you did the same step twice
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319 [03:53:51] <jak2000> ahh ok
320 [03:54:08] <jak2000> 2) apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and then: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade understand
321 [03:54:13] <jak2000> how many time take this?
322 [03:54:39] <lwp> no, only do this part apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
323 [03:54:40] <dvs> no, exactly the order I typed it
324 [03:55:07] <lwp> (you will need to be root, of course)
325 [03:55:12] <jak2000> yes
326 [03:55:14] <jak2000> break?
327 [03:55:16] <jak2000> Ctrl+c ?
328 [03:55:37] <dvs> yes
329 [03:56:15] <jak2000> ok: sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
330 [03:56:32] <dvs> that's correct
331 [03:56:54] <jak2000> error: replaced-url
332 [03:57:37] <lwp> that is a hot mess.
333 [03:57:58] <dvs> Where is ppa.launchpad? Must be a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
334 [03:59:13] <jak2000> replaced-url
335 [04:00:02] <dvs> Oh gawd. Too many third party repos.
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337 [04:00:48] <lwp> jak2000, do you actually use anything from those ppa third party repositories ??
338 [04:01:11] <jak2000> not that i remember
339 [04:01:21] <jak2000> webupd8team* not know
340 [04:01:28] <jak2000> can we move?
341 [04:03:39] <lwp> I suggest: sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list.d /etc/apt/hide-sources.list.d
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352 [04:24:57] <jak2000> and then?
353 [04:25:16] <jak2000> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
354 [04:26:42] <jak2000> replaced-url
355 [04:26:44] <jak2000> error
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362 [04:35:33] <jak2000> oo in redhat advice me, put sudo at the front on every command:
363 [04:35:43] <jak2000> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
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377 [04:53:47] <jak2000> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade --->> i get this error before finishing
378 [04:54:18] <jak2000> i am continue: Release: 8.11
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381 [05:08:02] <lwp> sorry, what error before finishing ?
382 [05:08:48] <jak2000> rerun the command and get this: replaced-url
383 [05:08:50] <jak2000> wich option choose?
384 [05:10:11] <lwp> i think should be safe to keep the local version, I would just choose OK
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394 [05:28:13] <happygilmoregent> can you edit bios from console?
395 [05:28:45] <happygilmoregent> with dmidecode?
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397 [05:29:00] <sney> not usually. cmos doesn't really let you ... ok
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402 [05:43:10] <Ede|Popede> oh well. not even a minute.
403 [05:43:25] <Ede|Popede> but to the question, didn't they add any API with UEFI?
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407 [05:56:10] <jak2000> i have now: Release: 9.12
408 [05:56:30] <jak2000> how to upgrade to 10?
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413 [05:57:51] <jak2000> dpkg, stretch->10
414 [05:57:51] <dpkg> jak2000: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
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416 [05:58:51] <ChiLLabiS> 10 is buster
417 [05:59:19] <jmcnaught> jak2000: just read the upgrade instructions in the release notes (and the what's new and important changes of course): replaced-url
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420 [05:59:55] <jak2000> dpkg, stretch->buster
421 [05:59:55] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
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429 [06:04:03] <jak2000> jmcnaught i do the replacement, stretch by buster, ... its ok?
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431 [06:05:18] <jmcnaught> jak2000: why don't you read the release notes? Don't you want to know what has changed?
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433 [06:06:17] <jmcnaught> there's also a section on issues to be aware of that you might want to check before you upgrade in case one of the warnings is applicable to you.
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453 [06:44:54] <riceandbeans> jmcnaught: the stuff you and trek00 referenced earlier fixed everything, so thank you, big progress because of that
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544 [08:47:06] <jak2000> i am now on: Release: 10
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547 [08:48:58] <trek00> fjack2
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549 [08:49:20] <trek00> it's running fine?
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553 [08:52:08] <jak2000> yes
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555 [08:52:12] <jak2000> not restarted
556 [08:52:14] <jak2000> i have fire :(
557 [08:52:35] <trek00> short circuit?
558 [08:52:57] <jak2000> not
559 [08:54:08] <jak2000> i am happy now
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561 [08:54:11] <jak2000> updated too my database
562 [08:56:06] <jak2000> thanks thanks
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564 [08:56:41] <trek00> :)
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598 [09:28:10] <jaggz> anyone know why I'm getting /usr/bin/ld: //usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libSM.so.6: undefined reference to `uuid_generate@UUID_1.0'
599 [09:28:25] <jaggz> (I'm compiling mumble.. but I don't think that's the issue)
600 [09:28:57] <jaggz> ldd on that libSM does show it finds libuuid.so.1 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libuuid.so.1 (0x....)
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602 [09:29:41] <jaggz> and nm -D on that libuuid.so shows the symbol: ...0a6a0 T uuid_unparse_lower
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610 [09:34:39] <trek00> jaggz: try to link with -luuid -lSM in that order
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614 [09:36:03] <jaggz> trek00, thanks.. giving it a shot
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618 [09:38:50] <jaggz> trek00, something else in the project -- compiled before this final linking line -- must be linking libSM. (-lSM is not in this commandline). I'll keep looking. Thanks.
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621 [09:41:45] <jaggz> i'm not sure how that works actually. can something else be linked prior to this time?
622 [09:42:16] <trek00> jaggz: probably you link to a library that's link to libSM
623 [09:43:45] <jaggz> trek00, hmm.. thanks
624 [09:44:11] <jaggz> (their gcc++ command, in case you're board, is this long thing: replaced-url
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626 [09:45:17] <trek00> jaggz: add -luuid just before -lXi
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630 [09:47:26] <jaggz> trek00, same error
631 [09:47:36] <jaggz> I added it before all other -l lines too. same error.
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633 [09:48:40] <jaggz> trek00, I posted about it here: replaced-url
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635 [09:49:09] <trek00> jaggz: i don't know, i guess you have installed uuid-dev?
636 [09:49:12] <jaggz> ldd libSM shows it finds libuuid.so.1
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638 [09:49:34] <jaggz> trek00, yeah..
639 [09:49:35] <trek00> debian jessie?
640 [09:49:37] <jaggz> yeah
641 [09:50:19] <trek00> stable is buster, but that's not the issue
642 [09:50:22] <jaggz> and nm -D on libuuid1.so.1 shows uuid_unparse_lower (but it doesn't show "uuid_unparse_lower@UUID_1.0" <-- but I don't know what that means)
643 [09:50:27] <jaggz> oh.. oops
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652 [09:54:14] <jaggz> hm. uuid-dev provides /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libuuid.so, which is a symlink to /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libuuid.so.1.3.0, which is provided by libuuid1
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655 [09:55:06] <trek00> jaggz: it's ok
656 [09:55:21] <nindustries> Hi, bullseye-slim docker container. I have an executable file that returns 'Permission denied' while I have ownership. Ideas?
657 [09:55:31] <nindustries> whoami -> app , ls -alh -> -rws------ 1 app root 8.4M Mar 10 13:38 nessusd
658 [09:55:48] <trek00> nindustries: may be it's mounted with noexec option?
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660 [09:56:20] <nindustries> trek00: it's coming from a dpkg install, very odd. I -am- trying to run it as non-root tough, so I chowned appropriately
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663 [09:56:58] <jaggz> does s -> setuid bit (?) imply x?
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665 [09:57:16] <jaggz> nindustries, have you chmod u+x'ed it?
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667 [09:57:46] <nindustries> hmod u+x nessusd && ./nessusd -> Operation not permitted
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670 [09:58:14] <nindustries> chmod 777 doesn't even help. 0.0
671 [09:58:16] <jaggz> what about just the chmod without the &&
672 [09:58:39] <nindustries> returns exit 0, so should be fine I guess
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674 [09:58:44] <nindustries> exit code*
675 [09:58:53] <jaggz> and 777 shows x on group and other now?
676 [09:59:35] <jaggz> so.. what about the thing trek00 mentioned (noexec mount flag)
677 [10:00:16] <nindustries> jaggz: well tbh I started this docker container myself, so no (additional) noexec flag.
678 [10:01:04] <jaggz> nindustries, your #!/bin/bash or whatever's at the top of that line
679 [10:01:16] <jaggz> of that file
680 [10:01:24] <jaggz> (is it a script or a binary anyway?)
681 [10:01:43] <jaggz> I think I've had ambiguous errors like that when it was trying to use something funky as the shell/interpreter
682 [10:02:10] <nindustries> cat returns garble, dus I'd say executable
683 [10:02:33] <jaggz> pardon me; it didn't SEEM ambiguous -- it seemed like I didn't have permissions or whatever, but it turns out it was an issue with the interpreter
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685 [10:03:00] <jaggz> nindustries, and what do your perms look like now? (and why's it setuid? can you remove that?)
686 [10:03:13] <nindustries> The setuid was for debugging to be honest
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688 [10:03:27] <jaggz> like.. MAYBE it's running, and IT outputs the error and quits :)
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690 [10:03:56] <nindustries> stracing, brb
691 [10:04:05] <jaggz> strace ./nessusd
692 [10:04:11] <jaggz> oh.. i was in scrollback..
693 [10:04:29] <jaggz> (maybe I type ./ habitually)
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697 [10:06:46] <trek00> jaggz: may be you have multiple libuuid in library path?
698 [10:07:05] <jaggz> trek00, that's what I just bumped into..
699 [10:07:30] <jaggz> JUST read this on someone's page: "The ultimate law appears: It is good to remove the libuuid library file under anaconda2/lib, and finally solved this problem."
700 [10:07:34] <jaggz> I have one in miniconda
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703 [10:09:08] <nindustries> heh, I can run strace as non-root? I thought that required additional permissions
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706 [10:09:34] <jaggz> nindustries, sure, why not?
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708 [10:09:42] <jaggz> it's just looking at the calls the program is making as your user
709 [10:09:53] <nindustries> Well I always thought that was an additional capability
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712 [10:10:03] <jaggz> nah
713 [10:10:10] <jaggz> ltrace too
714 [10:10:34] <jaggz> I mean, your normal user is making those calls, so.. nothing secretive about it
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717 [10:12:50] <trek00> jaggz: well may be it links to the wrong libuuid library
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719 [10:13:13] <nindustries> SYS_PTRACE
720 [10:13:18] <nindustries> That was the capability
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723 [10:14:24] <nindustries> HEH. so now it works
724 [10:14:35] <nindustries> dsfkgasmdfksndks
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731 [10:17:39] <jaggz> trek00, yeah; apparently the line's inclusion of miniconda paths might be doing it. I got it to compile/link now. Thank you so much for working with me on this.
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733 [10:18:03] <jaggz> nindustries, wait, what? What fixed it?
734 [10:18:14] <trek00> jaggz: good :)
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740 [10:20:54] <nindustries> jaggz: It worked with strace + non-priv user... so I just removed strace
741 [10:20:56] <nindustries> And now it works....
742 [10:21:05] <jaggz> trek00, I posted the fix on the github issue too, and closed it. A dev was actually looking into the problem at the time it turns out :)
743 [10:21:44] <jaggz> nindustries, that's interesting
744 [10:21:55] <trek00> nindustries: it's the no-root issue of your docker i guess?
745 [10:22:13] <nindustries> Well i'm stumped, not sure what I missed
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750 [10:25:21] <trek00> nindustries: the +s on permissions
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761 [10:33:20] <badsektor> i installed snap but i cannot run it, it says it doesn't exist
762 [10:34:15] <trek00> badsektor: try to run /usr/bin/snap
763 [10:34:37] <ansimita> badsektor: did you log out and log back in?
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772 [10:40:26] <badsektor> ansimita, i opened a new Terminal
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774 [10:41:32] <ansimita> badsektor: well the instruction advises to either log out or restart replaced-url
775 [10:41:41] <badsektor> trek00, it doesn't exist, i got a /usr/bin/snap-hmm :D
776 [10:42:02] <badsektor> ansimita, oh I see
777 [10:42:08] <badsektor> thank you
778 [10:42:21] <badsektor> so can we trust all the software in snap?
779 [10:42:28] <badsektor> like we trust apt?
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783 [10:43:41] <badsektor> ok i guess earlier i installed 'snap' and that is a different package than 'snapd' which is what i wanted
784 [10:44:21] <badsektor> location of genes from DNA sequence with hidden markov model
785 [10:44:21] <badsektor> SNAP is a general purpose gene finding program suitable for both eukaryotic and prokaryotic genomes. SNAP is an acroynm for Semi-HMM-based Nucleic Acid Parser.
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788 [10:44:30] <badsektor> this is what i installed :|
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810 [11:00:30] <Ede|Popede> seems i borked my IFS or whatever in an open subshell. was looking through calibre's own installer and then trying to do what they did there, redefine it as ":" and iterate over the path. the usual way "$VAR=$VALUE $COMMAND" which didn't work with the foor loop as command, so i simply changed IFS (IFS=:; for…) and changed it back later...
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815 [11:03:13] <trek00> Ede|Popede: exiting from the subshell should restore the original IFS
816 [11:03:21] <Ede|Popede> checked its value in another terminal (<SPC>\t\n), used this to reset it. everything was ok again. until i tried to do a download using my stoneage lazy download script (just has a UA for the case and default destination) which now breaks. found out that the url variable i use ($u) replaces all the 't' with <SPC>. really odd.
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818 [11:03:43] <Ede|Popede> trek00, sure. but i really want to know what is going on here.
819 [11:04:20] <trek00> Ede|Popede: you just set IFS=\t instead of tab?
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821 [11:04:31] <trek00> like IFS='\t'
822 [11:04:35] <Ede|Popede> oh, also n. may have to do with \t\n from IFS: now it starts with "h ps://dow load.". uh.
823 [11:04:50] <Ede|Popede> ah wait, there's $'\t' for tab
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827 [11:05:32] <Ede|Popede> the weird thing is that `printf "$IFS"` in both shells gives me `00000000 20 09 0a`
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832 [11:07:36] <trek00> Ede|Popede: try to avoid using \n\t
833 [11:08:15] <trek00> Ede|Popede: use instead CTRL+V then tab and CTRL+V enter then space
834 [11:08:16] <Ede|Popede> where, in IFS? it's in the default value
835 [11:09:00] <trek00> IFS='^V^J^V^I '
836 [11:09:20] <trek00> i use ^ as CTRL here
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838 [11:09:53] <Ede|Popede> so IFS would change from 20 09 0a to something else or stay the same?
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841 [11:11:09] <trek00> Ede|Popede: to check what it's going try to: printf %s "$IFS"
842 [11:11:10] <Ede|Popede> and after all, if it is the same in both terminals, why does it behave differently? just tested it with the sha of the downloaded file and it works in the other one
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844 [11:11:18] <trek00> Ede|Popede: instead of printf "$IFS"
845 [11:11:45] <Ede|Popede> ok, so now it's different
846 [11:12:04] <trek00> you just set IFS to literal \ and n
847 [11:12:11] <trek00> not to the unquoted \n
848 [11:12:35] <trek00> unescaped, sorry
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852 [11:14:29] <trek00> Ede|Popede: if you set IFS right, both printf output the same
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854 [11:16:13] <Ede|Popede> trek00, stolen from bash_completion.d: IFS=' '$'\t'$'\n'
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856 [11:16:39] <Ede|Popede> the problem with your solution is that it is not printable, which i prefer
857 [11:16:39] <trek00> Ede|Popede: sorry i don't know bashisms
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859 [11:17:15] <trek00> Ede|Popede: well just save your IFS before changing it: oldifs=$IFS; commands; IFS=$oldifs
860 [11:17:30] <Ede|Popede> bashism indeed, $'\t' is what i remembered now, only not that i'd need ' instead of " for the whole string
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865 [11:17:54] <Santzes> anyone remember the software where you could cut/edit videos as script.. but not video puppet. It had a scripting language like open video.mp4, skip 1m, copy 3m, open video2.mp4 or so.. I can't find it anymore
866 [11:18:21] <Ede|Popede> after all it was not really intended, i only couldn't get it to work for a loop w/o putting it into it (thus setting it with every iteration)
867 [11:19:12] <trek00> Santzes: check ffmpeg
868 [11:19:16] <Ede|Popede> Santzes: avidemux?
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871 [11:20:57] <Ede|Popede> Santzes, some more mentioned here replaced-url
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873 [11:21:21] <trek00> Ede|Popede: saving your IFS is the best way, it could prevent other issues
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875 [11:22:06] <Ede|Popede> trek00, that's why i tried to prepend it to the command so it would be valid only in this context. it only didn't work with for :|
876 [11:22:31] <Ede|Popede> actually i prefer to work with limited scopes, but that's not really easy outside of scripts
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880 [11:24:05] <Santzes> trek00, Ede|Popede: neither, I see avidemux has a scripting language but that software was ONLY meant to be used by scripting, not even command line (i see avidemux has scripting, but a lot more complicated). this was only open, copy, and some simple transforms and text screens. though I can obviously use ffmpeg to accomplish the same but gonna be a little bit more complicated
881 [11:24:17] <Santzes> oh wrote the same twitc
882 [11:24:20] <Santzes> twice
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888 [11:28:57] <Ede|Popede> Santzes: if you want some simple commands only you also could maybe hack a script with a "one command per line" format which in turn calls the scripted tool. just as a last ressort.
889 [11:29:20] <trek00> Ede|Popede: use this: oldifs=$IFS; commands; IFS=$oldifs
890 [11:29:57] <Ede|Popede> trek00, adding this: unset oldifs
891 [11:29:59] <Lope> luks doesn't seem to like if I make partitions that are not exact sizes in gigabytes
892 [11:30:23] <trek00> Ede|Popede: if you like, but at the end :)
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894 [11:31:03] <Ede|Popede> Santzes: what about doom9.org? if it still exists they should have some listings, if it's just about remembering the name
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896 [11:31:08] <Lope> when I do my luksFormat I use --sector-size 4096
897 [11:31:13] <Lope> ratrace, any ideas?
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899 [11:32:05] <Ede|Popede> trek00: i don't like, i need it ;) i really hate these remains from former actions.
900 [11:32:05] <Santzes> Ede|Popede thanks have to check that, seems to be a lot of information there
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902 [11:32:19] <Lope> I would have thought with --sector-size 4096 that as long as my partition sizes are down to the nearest MiB it should be fine. But apparently not?
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906 [11:33:03] <Ede|Popede> hm, i get the forum, but not the replaced-url
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914 [11:37:39] <numbie> what would be the best way to block a windows machine connected to the same switch
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991 [12:33:18] <Kats99> Why is it that when I remove a package it can still be installed without downloading from the repos
992 [12:33:29] <nkuttler> Kats99: it's cached
993 [12:33:46] <Kats99> How do I remove it
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995 [12:34:02] <nkuttler> Kats99: see apt-get clean
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1001 [12:34:46] <Kats99> thank you
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1015 [12:50:43] <Rockj> Q: replaced-url
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1019 [12:53:04] <dka> hi, I am trying to understand why I can't reach from my mobile phone on the same local network as my desktop, the developement http server I have started on port 19006
1020 [12:53:39] <dka> I , by mistake deleted /etc/hosts, I have recreated one, could it be because of that?
1021 [12:54:37] <Rockj> dka: lsof -i :19006 , check what it listens for, maybe it only listens on `localhost` which is only available from your computer locally
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1024 [12:55:09] <Rockj> dka: apt install lsof , you might need to run lsof as root if the process is running as another user then your own.
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1027 [12:56:58] <netcrash> Hello , is it possible to use feh to have a different wallpaper in each openbox workspace / monitor '
1028 [12:57:01] <netcrash> ?
1029 [13:00:36] <Rockj> netcrash: I believe you can do this with the `-g` ( --geometry ) command line argument. ie 800x600+800+0 . Example: if you have two monitors by 800x600 , and the second monitor is 800x right of the left one.
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1033 [13:01:38] <dka> node 29448 dka 24u IPv4 696100 0t0 TCP *:19006 (LISTEN)
1034 [13:01:43] <dka> node 29448 dka 31u IPv4 769716 0t0 TCP localhost:19006->localhost:39614 (ESTABLISHED)
1035 [13:01:50] <dka> and chrome 6887 dka 63u IPv4 768798 0t0 TCP localhost:39614->localhost:19006 (ESTABLISHED)
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1039 [13:03:11] <netcrash> Rockj: will try , was hopping for something more simple
1040 [13:03:16] <netcrash> Rockj: thank you
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1055 [13:18:46] <Rockj> dka: so at least your node process is listning on IPv4 on all interfaces on your computer. You should verify that you are actually connected to the same local area network on your mobile device and your PC. See which IP addresses you have, and see if the Netmask is correct as well.
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1057 [13:20:06] <dka> I am able to ping my phone
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1061 [13:20:54] <Rockj> dka: Then I suspect a firewall or something that might be blocking access to the port 19006.
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1064 [13:21:56] <dka> This is my iptables -S : replaced-url
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1066 [13:23:17] <Rockj> so I notice you have some docker running , is docker involved in running the node process? Because then you need to make sure it bridges network traffic into the running container.
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1069 [13:24:21] <Rockj> I guess you can test locally by tryingn to reach your node service using the IP address of your host (your computer) .
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1071 [13:24:48] <dka> fing can't see my computer
1072 [13:24:55] <dka> no docker is not involved
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1076 [13:25:15] <dka> The phones can't see my laptop using fing app
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1090 [13:38:37] <Rockj> So you are NOT able to reach your laptop from your phone with `fing app`. I dont know what the `fing app` is. But I would ensure you can use `ping` and reach your computer from the phone first.
1091 [13:38:44] <jak2000> hi all, i try do same steps, but stop always in 1 line: replaced-url
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1093 [13:39:04] <jak2000> i want upgrade from stretch to buster
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1105 [13:46:44] <dka> I can't reach it, no clue why
1106 [13:46:51] <dka> normally, debian is allowing all incoming tcp connexion
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1108 [13:47:01] <dka> there's no drop iptables rules, so I don't understand why
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1115 [13:49:35] <Rockj> dka: what IP address does your phone have, and what IP address does your computer have that you are trying to access? Are you sure this is on the same local area network?
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1120 [13:52:25] <jak2000> hi all, i try do same steps, but stop always in 1 line: replaced-url
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1138 [14:08:57] <dka> Why can't my android device 192.168.10.177 and ios device 192.168.10.169 can't reach my desktop http server on 192.168.10.123 replaced-url
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1142 [14:21:57] <dka> restarting the router didn't help
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1155 [14:29:12] <Lady_Aleena> Does anyone know when bullseye is coming out?
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1163 [14:32:54] <joepublic> I would guess mid-2021 based on previous release intervals.
1164 [14:33:15] <Lady_Aleena> Thanks.
1165 [14:34:40] <han-solo> !bullseye
1166 [14:34:41] <dpkg> The release following Debian 10 "Buster" is codenamed "Bullseye" (Woody's horse in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 11. It is the current "testing" release. Remember that straight after a stable release, all sorts of mess suddenly lands in "testing" and it is best avoided if you don't like debugging things. replaced-url
1167 [14:36:46] <joepublic> I run bullseye on my workstation for the adventure of it, and to test drive the shiny new stuff it contains (like xfce4.14)
1168 [14:37:18] <Lady_Aleena> For some programs I have to go beyond sid to experimental.
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1170 [14:37:31] <joepublic> what, for example?
1171 [14:38:24] <Lady_Aleena> inkscape (1.0~alpha-1)
1172 [14:39:40] <joepublic> yes i seem to be a 0.92.5 with bullseye
1173 [14:40:37] <Lady_Aleena> ACK! 1.0~alpha-1 isn't available for amd64 anywhere in debian. *head desks*
1174 [14:41:26] <Lady_Aleena> 1.0~rc1-4 is in Sid, but not alpha. *sighs*
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1179 [14:48:25] <dvs> I wouldnt trust a release candidate
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1182 [14:49:46] <Lady_Aleena> It is just so frustrating. There are things in alpha that will make using Inkscape so much better.
1183 [14:50:53] <Lady_Aleena> From what I've heard alpha has fixed the long standing problem of files being opened and the y axis being in the negative.
1184 [14:51:02] <Lady_Aleena> But I will shut up about it now.
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1186 [14:51:30] <joepublic> debian is good, debian is wise, trust debian, they will inkscape you in stable in about 15 months.
1187 [14:52:39] <miskatonic> i have never used inkscape
1188 [14:53:08] <joepublic> I am looking for some insight as to why my Asrock X570 Phantom Gaming 4 fan profiles go up in smoke (back to defaults) as soon as I boot into Debian.
1189 [14:53:19] <Ede|Popede> !wwbr
1190 [14:53:19] <dpkg> Debian 10 "Buster" started the <freeze> process on 2019-01-12 and should release on July 6, 2019. See replaced-url
1191 [14:53:26] <Ede|Popede> upd plz kthxbye
1192 [14:54:10] <dvs> They lied! They
1193 [14:54:13] <dvs> re one day off!
1194 [14:54:44] <Ede|Popede> quick, come into the T.A.R.D.I.S.! we'll fix this!
1195 [14:54:45] <miskatonic> buster has been realeased long ago. Why is dpkg speaking in the future tense?
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1197 [14:55:10] <dvs> miskatonic, that factoid hasn't been updated
1198 [14:55:15] <Ede|Popede> because time is... you know. wibbly wobbly... timey whimey stuff
1199 [14:56:46] <jak2000> hi all, i try do same steps, but stop always in 1 line: replaced-url
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1201 [14:57:35] <dvs> !buster sources.list
1202 [14:57:35] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb replaced-url
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1205 [14:58:48] <joepublic> !wwbr
1206 [14:58:48] <dpkg> wwbr is, like, now Debian "Bullseye" is the current testing branch and it will be released "when it's ready."
1207 [14:59:08] <dvs> it doesn't mention Debian 11!
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1210 [14:59:30] <joepublic> I don't think bullseye is officially debian 11 yet.
1211 [14:59:36] <dvs> ah
1212 [14:59:48] * dvs names it Debian S20
1213 [15:00:12] <jak2000> dvs yes same lines in sources.list, but stop here: 0% [Working] i wait 5 hours and not progress, exist a way for know why?
1214 [15:00:17] <miskatonic> what happens if all names from toystory are exhausted?
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1216 [15:00:19] <jak2000> i have space... no problem
1217 [15:00:47] <joepublic> there are a lot of toys in toy story.
1218 [15:00:47] <dvs> jak2000, it must be your network.
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1220 [15:02:58] <jak2000> is a public vps, no problem... you see the paste ?
1221 [15:03:10] <dvs> dunno what it is
1222 [15:03:14] <Ede|Popede> miskatonic: toy story 2. toy story 3. ||: ad lib. :||
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1227 [15:06:44] <jak2000> in any log? can i check?
1228 [15:06:54] <jak2000> continue here: 0% [Working]
1229 [15:07:28] <karlpinc> ,v inkscape
1230 [15:07:29] <judd> Package: inkscape on amd64 -- jessie: 0.48.5-3; stretch: 0.92.1-1; buster: 0.92.4-3; bullseye: 0.92.5-1; experimental: 1.0~rc1-1; sid: 1.0~rc1-4
1231 [15:08:16] <jak2000> i am Release: 9.4
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1234 [15:09:52] <karlpinc> jak2000: You need to follow the instructions in the release notes to upgrade. For one thing, the instructions say to use something besides apt-get.
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1236 [15:10:05] <karlpinc> !stretch->buster
1237 [15:10:27] <jak2000> karlpinc know the release notes? thanks
1238 [15:10:35] <karlpinc> !release notes
1239 [15:10:35] <dpkg> The release notes for Debian 10 "Buster" are at replaced-url
1240 [15:10:44] <jak2000> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgradei try:
1241 [15:10:53] <jak2000> i try: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
1242 [15:11:05] <karlpinc> dpkg: stretch->buster
1243 [15:11:06] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
1244 [15:11:29] <karlpinc> jak2000: Have you installed anything from non-debian repos?
1245 [15:11:42] <karlpinc> jak2000: If so, best to pay close attention to the release notes.
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1247 [15:12:38] <jak2000> is possible
1248 [15:12:50] <jak2000> reading: replaced-url
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1250 [15:13:18] <karlpinc> jak2000: The release notes say what to do. Usually it is best to un-install all non-debian packages, upgrade, and re-install them.
1251 [15:13:54] <karlpinc> jak2000: The release notes also have a chapter on what to do if things go wrong.
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1254 [15:17:47] <Rockj> dka: Your wireless router might have a setting which disallows it to communicate with other devices on the same local area network. Often known as AP isolated is enabled on a wireless router.
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1259 [15:29:00] <Naktibalda> hi, I'm trying to install some packages to docker Buster image, but it can't locate any packages. apt-get update && apt-get install -y autoconf=2.69-11
1260 [15:29:02] <Naktibalda> E: Unable to locate package autoconf
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1265 [15:31:56] <abrotman> do you have any valid sources?
1266 [15:32:24] <Naktibalda> like Get:2 replaced-url
1267 [15:32:54] <abrotman> That doesn't seem large enough
1268 [15:33:13] <Naktibalda> 6 sources in total
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1270 [15:33:55] <Naktibalda> replaced-url
1271 [15:34:26] <abrotman> What's in /var/lib/apt/lists/ ?
1272 [15:34:53] <Naktibalda> should be nothing before this, because it is running in CI environment
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1275 [15:36:47] <Naktibalda> running rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/* first made no difference
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1282 [15:48:49] <metbsd> is there a way to install debian without monitor?
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1284 [15:49:05] <metbsd> i have this old laptop. screen failed
1285 [15:49:40] <metbsd> is ssh on by default
1286 [15:49:47] <Naktibalda> can't you connect external monitor?
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1288 [15:50:16] <metbsd> can't
1289 [15:50:28] <metbsd> it's not working i tried
1290 [15:50:44] <metbsd> not showing anything
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1292 [15:51:28] <f8e4> how to emit a signal from a signal handler again? replaced-url
1293 [15:52:21] <greycat> Programming questions are often better addressed in the language's support channel.
1294 [15:52:53] <greycat> You could at least say which language you're writing in, so people know whether they should take the time and effort to open your link for details.
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1323 [16:27:32] <usney> hi! Is 1.3 gb enough for the tmp folder? That is what debian installer autoconfigured for /home /var and /tmp
1324 [16:28:14] <ratrace> usney: /tmp is typically for stuff small enough that many people use it as tmpfs, me included.
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1326 [16:28:30] <usney> cool
1327 [16:28:50] <usney> is tmpfs like swapfile where it isn't a partition?
1328 [16:28:55] <greycat> !tmpfs
1329 [16:28:56] <dpkg> tmpfs is a file system which keeps all files in virtual memory; you can change its default size by editing /etc/default/tmpfs. Temporary filesystems can be mounted with a line such as "tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0" in /etc/fstab. replaced-url
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1332 [16:29:22] <usney> okay cool
1333 [16:30:03] <usney> ratrace so it won't cause problems for burn iso files to usb or watching hd movies?
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1335 [16:31:04] <usney> I set it up like that so my home system doesn't crash if the tmp or var gets completely filled
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1337 [16:31:24] <usney> I mean the root system doesn't crash
1338 [16:32:04] <ratrace> usney: well if your "burn iso files" program is using /tmp to store the ISO, then you'll need enough space.... to store the ISO
1339 [16:32:24] <usney> does dd use that folder?
1340 [16:32:32] <ratrace> not by itself
1341 [16:32:43] <usney> oh okay cool
1342 [16:32:58] <greycat> dd does not use any temp files, nor does it change directory
1343 [16:33:01] <usney> can you create a temporary tmpfs as a file?
1344 [16:33:13] <usney> like swapfile
1345 [16:33:21] <ratrace> tmpfs is swapped
1346 [16:33:37] <usney> oh okay I have swap partition already
1347 [16:34:18] <ratrace> I'd recommend you just use tmpfs for /tmp . If you ever get to a situation wher that's not goog enough, you can always reconfigure and reboot. /tmp is not meant to survive reboot so it's safe to just do that.
1348 [16:34:26] <ratrace> *good
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1351 [16:37:01] <greycat> Is it just me, or has the mount(8) man page been slashed apart and a lot of its content is just gone? I try "man -k tmpfs", nothing. I look for tmpfs in fstab(5), and it has a couple hits, and says to see mount(8). I try mount(8) and there's one hit and NO explanations.
1352 [16:37:06] <greycat> Where the hell is it documented now?
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1354 [16:37:57] <GNU\colossus> I have a tmpfs(5) on my archlinux desktop
1355 [16:38:15] <greycat> (and the one hit in mount(8) is in an example that's demonstrating the context= option, and says to see selinux(8))
1356 [16:38:33] <greycat> judd file tmpfs.5
1357 [16:38:37] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
1358 [16:38:47] <ratrace> apropos tmpfs returns nothing
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1360 [16:38:58] <ratrace> GNU\colossus: BTW YOU USE ARCHLINUX?
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1362 [16:39:01] <greycat> I already said I tried man -k tmpfs
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1364 [16:39:35] <ratrace> yeah I've noticed myself that some things that should be in mount(8) aren't there at all
1365 [16:40:03] <greycat> I noticed something similar with NFS the other day.
1366 [16:40:29] <GNU\colossus> ftr, on arch: /usr/share/man/man5/tmpfs.5.gz is owned by man-pages 5.06-1
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1368 [16:40:47] <GNU\colossus> mount(8) is rather slim here, too. no mention of tmpfs.
1369 [16:40:55] <greycat> yeah, I found a copy at replaced-url
1370 [16:41:27] <ratrace> ah too new for buster?
1371 [16:41:38] <greycat> ,v manpages
1372 [16:41:39] <judd> Package: manpages on amd64 -- jessie: 3.74-1; stretch: 4.10-2; stretch-backports: 4.16-1~bpo9+1; buster: 4.16-2; buster-backports: 5.04-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.06-1; sid: 5.06-1
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1374 [16:41:59] <greycat> judd file tmpfs.5 --release bullseye
1375 [16:42:03] <judd> No packages in bullseye/amd64 were found with that file.
1376 [16:42:08] <greycat> judd file tmpfs.5.z --release bullseye
1377 [16:42:12] <judd> No packages in bullseye/amd64 were found with that file.
1378 [16:42:16] <greycat> judd file tmpfs.5.gz --release bullseye
1379 [16:42:20] <judd> Search for tmpfs.5.gz in bullseye/amd64: initscripts: usr/share/man/man5/tmpfs.5.gz; manpages-pl: usr/share/man/pl/man5/tmpfs.5.gz
1380 [16:42:22] <ratrace> yay!
1381 [16:42:22] <GNU\colossus> \o/
1382 [16:42:24] <GNU\colossus> we have a winner
1383 [16:45:21] <ratrace> but wait... initscripts? o.O ? polish lang package variant only? oo.OO ?
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1388 [16:47:20] <ratrace> waitasecond... which package should mount(8) belong to? I'd swear it was coreutils, but it isn't
1389 [16:48:22] <usney> why can't i just delete the files in tmp instead of rebooting? ratrace
1390 [16:48:37] <ratrace> eh.... the "mount" package.... I was looking for /usr/bin/mount instead of /bin/mount .... stupid usrmerge is apparently INCOMPLETE in buster
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1392 [16:49:17] <ratrace> usney: technically you don't even need to reboot, but you do have to stop any and all services with privateTMP, and xorg-server
1393 [16:49:23] <ratrace> otherwies you can't just delete those files
1394 [16:49:49] <usney> what if i use a special program to delete the files like bleachbit?
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1396 [16:49:58] <ratrace> you'll crash your system
1397 [16:50:42] <ratrace> chances are you won't even be able to remove namespaced PrivateTmp mountpoints
1398 [16:50:43] <usney> bleachbit can delete temporary files and it doesn't crash my system it probably just removes the tmp files not needed to not crash
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1400 [16:51:27] <ratrace> usney: /tmp is used by services with PrivateTmp, and thus contain namespaced mountpoints. /tmp contains the xorg-server unix socket. you can't remove those without stopping the related services first.
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1413 [17:01:50] <mutantturkey> jessie had a package 'apache2-mpm-prefork', with a dependency of apache2, however it disappears in newer versions (buster etc). the description states it's a transitional package, but i am not sure well, what the next package would be called or if it got included in apache2's base package?
1414 [17:02:40] <mutantturkey> ' This is a transitional package to apache2 for users of apache2-mpm-prefork and can be safely removed after the installation is complete. '
1415 [17:02:45] <mutantturkey> meaning, apache2 supercedes it?
1416 [17:03:25] <miskatonic> still no plans for an apache3?
1417 [17:03:31] <ratrace> miskatonic: yes the MPMs are part of apache-bin now
1418 [17:03:34] <mutantturkey> apache-1-miillion
1419 [17:03:37] <ratrace> mutantturkey: ^^^^
1420 [17:03:37] <mutantturkey> ratrace: thanks
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1434 [17:17:22] <Lady_Aleena> Something weird just happened. I was sitting here listening to music when I started hearing a sound that was not my music. I opened PulseAudtion Volume Control and found that something called speech-dispatcher is going. I don't remember starting speech-dispatcher and can't figure out how to turn it off. One search result said to `killall speech-dispatcher` so I tried it, and "speech-dispatcher: no process found". I also read to make sure
1435 [17:17:22] <Lady_Aleena> that Orca wasn't enabled, and it isn't. So, now I am a loss on how to turn that off. Anything else I should look into?
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1438 [17:20:15] <Lady_Aleena> I see a task called "speech-dispatcher --spawn --communication-method unix_socket --socket-path /run/user/1000/speech-dispatcher/speechhd.sock"
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1440 [17:20:49] <Lady_Aleena> Should I just kill it?
1441 [17:21:00] <diogenes_> Lady_Aleena, do you happen to have any mumble client, zoom, skype, discord or maybe a browser facebook call?
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1443 [17:23:34] <Lady_Aleena> diogenes_, I have discord installed but it is not running and hasn't run in a very long time. Facebook isn't open in my browser right now.
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1446 [17:25:00] <Lady_Aleena> I guess facebook might have something that persists, but I just checked my phone and don't see any messages telling me I missed a facebook call.
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1448 [17:26:10] <diogenes_> well it definitely comes from some web services like VoIP etc.
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1450 [17:27:38] <[E]sc> there's a repetitive scratching noise which I think is coming from my fan. I don't have the proper screw driver head to open it. is there a way to fix this? or at least diagnose the problem?
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1452 [17:28:20] <Lady_Aleena> diogenes_, would killing the task be a problem?
1453 [17:28:57] <Lady_Aleena> I nearly tore my desk apart looking for where that sound was coming from.
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1456 [17:29:28] <diogenes_> Lady_Aleena, how often you reboot this PC?
1457 [17:29:37] <Lady_Aleena> diogenes_, not often.
1458 [17:30:34] <diogenes_> then once you start a service which usesthe speech dispatcher and then after you close the service, it doesn't unload the dispatcher automatically, it still remains there so yes, you can kill it with no issues.
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1460 [17:31:11] <diogenes_> or you might just mute it.
1461 [17:31:33] <Lady_Aleena> diogenes_, done. Thank you for helping me try to find what might have opened that up.
1462 [17:31:52] <diogenes_> no problem.
1463 [17:32:37] <diogenes_> it might have been even orca, just make a test, open orca, let it load the dispatcher then close the orca and se if the dispatcher still persists.
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1472 [17:37:21] <Lady_Aleena> I don't use orca.
1473 [17:38:01] <karlpinc> [E]sc: If it's a fan the usual solution is to replace it. You can try diagnosing by sticking something into the fan to stop its rotation, and see if the noise persists. Naturally, this is dangerous if it is, e.g., the cpu cooling fan.
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1476 [17:40:09] <[E]sc> karlpinc, thanks. i will try that. i can't open it though because of the screw heads and i don't have access to compressed air to try to blow out any possible obstructions. it sounds like a scratching noise, and consistent until i suspend the laptop.
1477 [17:40:16] <tw> How can I get the link security mode for a bluetooth device? I want to know the type of connection (if it's legacy or ble) and what encryption it negotiated, if any.
1478 [17:40:58] <karlpinc> [E]sc: With most hardware by the time anything is making a noise it is too late for compressed air to fix anything.
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1484 [17:46:23] <[E]sc> karlpinc, oh that sucks. with this lockdown i can't get it fixed. thanks for your help.
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1486 [17:47:10] <tw> [E]sc: I'd order a replacement part. It'll get there someday.
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1488 [17:48:30] <[E]sc> tw, i could try that. i will need to get the screw driver as well. thanks.
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1490 [17:50:38] <tw> regarding my problem, I think if `bluetoothctl info` shows Generic Attribute Profile, then it's BLE. But I can't figure out how to tell if encryption was negotiated.
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1493 [17:51:44] <tw> I think according to spec, BLE HID Keyboard is required to have encryption, but there's a couple different key exchange methods and I want to know which was used because the older ones are known to be crap.
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1499 [17:54:14] <annadane> what's the manpage for equivs? website doesn't seem to have it for that exact name
1500 [17:55:25] <greycat> look in /usr/share/doc/equivs/
1501 [17:55:53] <greycat> it's not a "command" per se, so it doesn't have a man page
1502 [17:56:40] <miskatonic> equivs is good for frankendebian
1503 [17:57:28] <annadane> yeah, i know, i'm not in a hurry to use it; i just thought it would be nice to read up on
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1522 [18:11:35] <edufmass> Hello, I need an advice, I have this pc as workstation and have another pc with apache server. I want to work here and update apache server, Is there another way instead running rsync when I save changes ?
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1524 [18:14:45] <greycat> rsync is a really good choice
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1534 [18:19:54] <GNU\colossus> edufmass, if you want to keep your project's history, you could also look at git. it's slightly more complex/difficult to grok though.
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1540 [18:21:58] <edufmass> greycat: thanks!
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1544 [18:23:11] <edufmass> GNU\colossus: they are small web projects
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1548 [18:24:39] <edufmass> Talking about git, I've read an article about using vim/neovim for development, that article recommends a git hook for CTAGS, if I don't use git, how should I implement CTAGS?
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1576 [18:30:42] <GNU\colossus> edufmass, just run it every once in a while, after you've saved changes? :)
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1582 [18:33:44] <Na_Klar> How could I find out with debian if my cpu has a hardware rng which I could load through the kernel?
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1588 [18:36:49] <greycat> Na_Klar: mine has this line in dmesg: random: crng done (trusting CPU's manufacturer)
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1590 [18:37:45] <Na_Klar> greycat: the only line in my dmesg concerning random is "random: nonblocking pool is initialized" .. that does not sound like a hwrng
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1593 [18:39:36] <greycat> Na_Klar: ... hmm... google gives me a page that suggests reading /sys/class/misc/hw_random/rng_available
1594 [18:39:51] <greycat> mine contains the line tpm-rng-0 but I don't know what it means
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1596 [18:40:32] <Na_Klar> greycat: well, my does not even has a hw_random directory in misc
1597 [18:41:40] <Na_Klar> respectively 'link'
1598 [18:41:44] <greycat> and here's another page that suggests looking for "rdrand" in /proc/cpuinfo
1599 [18:42:50] <Na_Klar> greycat: I got a flag called rdrand
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1601 [18:43:15] <Na_Klar> for each core
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1621 [18:58:55] <coconut> Does debian enforce snap too like ubuntu does ?
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1623 [18:59:17] <edufmass> GNU\colossus: I'm new to CTAGS, I thought that I need git, I'm reading universal-ctags help now :)
1624 [18:59:29] <annadane> coconut, no.
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1631 [19:02:38] <coconut> annadane, oh that's great, still a good alternative when i would start to dislike snap!
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1638 [19:07:56] <ayekat> coconut: last time I checked you could uninstall snap on ubuntu without any issues - but I guess you'll make #ubuntu angry and you're probably not meant to do it anyway...
1639 [19:10:30] <coconut> ok... i was just reading someone had problems uninstalling it... it seemed to reinstall itself for him/her.
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1642 [19:12:24] <no_gravity> Why do people often use Raspbian on a rasperry instead of Debian? Shouldn't it just be a matter of drivers?
1643 [19:12:55] <sney> for the pi4 there shouldn't be much of a difference, but older revisions of the pi hardware weren't supported by debian armhf
1644 [19:12:55] <grummund> because there isn't an official release for it?
1645 [19:13:12] <sney> so they were limited to armel which is extremely slow. it was a cpu instructions thing
1646 [19:13:30] <no_gravity> sney: Interesting! I think I will go with plain Debian then.
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1648 [19:14:00] <grummund> eh, you can do that now?
1649 [19:14:26] <sney> plain debian runs on a lot of SBCs
1650 [19:15:14] * grummund has 2 Pis running rasbian, but would rather debian if it's easy enough.
1651 [19:15:33] <sney> if the cpus are armv7 and up, it should work fine
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1653 [19:15:50] <no_gravity> sney: You think the PI zero will run Debian?
1654 [19:16:37] <grummund> sney: i know it's capable, but when i tried before boot-strapping was a pain
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1656 [19:17:05] <grummund> whereas raspian has an image to go.
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1658 [19:18:15] <sney> look, I'm not a deep expert in everything you need to do. I just know for sure that a) the armv6 cpu used in the first bunch of pi hardware revisions couldn't run debian hard float, which is why raspbian was created in the first place and 2) I have personally run normal debian on a non-rpi arm sbc without having the convenience of an installer from raspberrypi.org
1659 [19:18:33] <grummund> ok ok
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1663 [19:21:04] <no_gravity> The Debian page about Raspberry Pi seems to indicate that it does not run on v4: replaced-url
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1668 [19:23:33] <sney> hmm. that wiki update was made last july, I wonder if support has arrived since. (and sorry for being misleading, I keep combining the pi 3 and 4 in my mind)
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1676 [19:32:50] <Janni> Hello.
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1678 [19:33:35] <no_gravity> Yo Janni
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1680 [19:34:08] <Janni> Anyone can tell me what it means if xrdiinfo and glxinfo contradict each other? glxinfo tells me "direct rendering: Yes". xdriinfo: Screen 0: not direct rendering capable
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1700 [19:48:11] <johnfg> hi guys
1701 [19:48:35] <johnfg> Just got this after/while doing an apt update: replaced-url
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1703 [19:48:58] <johnfg> Don't know why the newer version of phpmyadmin didn't upgrade. How do I get it to upgrade?
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1707 [19:50:56] <hiya> how to upgrade the kernel to latest stable?
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1710 [19:51:16] <hiya> !kernel
1711 [19:51:18] <dpkg> Linux kernel versions, stable: 5.6.7, mainline: 5.7-rc3, stable 5.6: 5.6.7, stable 5.5: 5.5.19 (EOL), longterm 5.4: 5.4.35, longterm 4.19: 4.19.118, longterm 4.14: 4.14.177, longterm 4.9: 4.9.220, longterm 4.4: 4.4.220, longterm 3.16: 3.16.82, linux-next: next-20200428
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1714 [19:52:59] <greycat> ,kernels
1715 [19:53:00] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.6.0-trunk-686-pae (5.6.4-1~exp1); sid: 5.5.0-2-686-pae (5.5.17-1); bullseye: 5.5.0-2-686-pae (5.5.17-1); buster-backports: 5.4.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (5.4.19-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-8-686 (4.19.98-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.8-686 (4.19.98-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-12-686-pae (4.9.210-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae
1716 [19:53:01] <judd> (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1~deb8u1)
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1718 [19:53:21] <greycat> hiya: are you asking for a 5.x kernel to use in buster? see buster-backports.
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1721 [19:56:21] <hiya> greycat: is backports needed?
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1724 [19:56:36] <greycat> You tell me. What are you trying to do?
1725 [19:56:36] <hiya> I see, linux-image-5.5.0-2-amd64, should I just install it? I think I have backports already
1726 [19:56:44] <greycat> *sigh*
1727 [19:56:46] <greycat> !sns
1728 [19:56:46] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
1729 [19:57:00] <hiya> I want latest kernel
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1731 [19:57:03] <cyveris> Why?
1732 [19:57:05] <greycat> *plonk*
1733 [19:57:12] <hiya> Its fast? Isn't it?
1734 [19:57:18] <cyveris> That's not how that works.
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1736 [19:57:26] <hiya> Ok
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1738 [19:57:33] <cyveris> Are you having an issue with your current kernel?
1739 [19:57:46] <cyveris> (No, or you'd have brought it up.)
1740 [19:58:02] <cyveris> Then you can sit on your current kernel with the knowledge that it's just as fast.
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1743 [19:58:53] <hiya> Ok then.
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1745 [20:00:01] <johnfg> Is there a way I can check and see what installed pkgs are from buster-backports?
1746 [20:00:25] <johnfg> Otherwise, I should probably remove those lines from sources.list.
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1750 [20:04:03] <BalooRJ> Anyone have thoughts on whether Firefox-ESR should be upgraded via Debian Buster Backports?
1751 [20:04:35] <greycat> why in the hell would you do that
1752 [20:04:59] <BalooRJ> A couple of Firefox add-ons do not play with older versions, namely Reddit Enhancement Suite
1753 [20:05:06] <greycat> the whole point of using firefox-esr in stable is that it's stable and is continually kept up to date on security fixes
1754 [20:05:12] <greycat> *-backports is not
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1756 [20:06:05] <BalooRJ> Good to know
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1758 [20:07:12] <hiya> I want to learn Linux system admin with Debian
1759 [20:07:40] <cyveris> replaced-url
1760 [20:07:43] <hiya> Everything online wants to teach with Redhat only. How come? Is there any one who teaches Debian exclusively
1761 [20:08:03] <cyveris> hiya: Because the overwhelming majority of enterprise Linux deployments are RHEL.
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1763 [20:08:27] <greycat> [citation needed]
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1765 [20:09:55] <cyveris> replaced-url
1766 [20:10:34] <crhylove> hiya, Install ProxMox on a spare machine, install a bunch of Debian servers. In my experience Debian is definitely more stable/reliable than rhat/centos. But most of my experience is pre-systemD, and when I was doing testing in Deb 8 I noticed a lot of performance issues compared to Deb 7. So maybe the situation is diff now.
1767 [20:10:40] <hiya> replaced-url
1768 [20:10:47] <greycat> !proxmox
1769 [20:10:47] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
1770 [20:10:49] <crhylove> But there is no substitute for building your own from scratch.
1771 [20:10:52] <hiya> It isn't updated for Buster as of yet
1772 [20:11:16] <cyveris> hiya: Two thirds of the enterprise Linux market is RHEL. That's why people teach RHEL.
1773 [20:11:18] <crhylove> ProxMox? Don't worry about that. It's just the hypervisor. Just use their latest version.
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1775 [20:11:23] <cyveris> greycat: You're welcome, by the way.
1776 [20:11:26] <hiya> greycat: I self-host my mail, wordpress and other things. Everything using Debian only, I use debian exclusively on laptops
1777 [20:11:35] <hiya> I just want to learn official courseware way too
1778 [20:11:39] <crhylove> cyveris, that, and you can buy support for rhel.
1779 [20:11:40] <hiya> In case I missed anything
1780 [20:11:58] <hiya> cyveris: yes I agree with you
1781 [20:12:40] <hiya> There isn't a buster handbook as of yet, correct?
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1784 [20:13:36] <johnfg> I thought I'd try to just do an `apt install phpmyadmin`, but get these errors, and then more: replaced-url
1785 [20:14:04] <johnfg> Should I remove phpmyadmin and then reinstall it?
1786 [20:14:22] <greycat> cyveris: "2018 share (%), Paid Shipments/Subscriptions (000), and Growth (%)" ... not quite sure what that means
1787 [20:15:42] <greycat> If it's "out of all the server instances that were PAID MONEY FOR, here's how it breaks down..." then yeah, that would be a lot of Red Hat
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1793 [20:19:15] <johnfg> Any thoughts about how to fix the problem of phpmyadmin being held back?
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1795 [20:19:56] <sney> ,v php-twig
1796 [20:19:57] <judd> Package: php-twig on amd64 -- jessie: 1.16.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1.16.2-1+deb8u1; stretch: 1.24.0-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.24.0-2+deb9u1; buster: 2.6.2-2; buster-backports: 2.12.5-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 2.12.5-1; sid: 2.12.5-1; experimental: 3.0.3-1
1797 [20:20:18] <sney> johnfg: looks like you will need php-twig from buster-backports to satisfy that dependency
1798 [20:20:35] <johnfg> sney: I'll give that a try. Thanks!
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1803 [20:21:56] <johnfg> sney: I installed php-twig, but phpmyadmin is still being held back.
1804 [20:22:13] <sney> did you install php-twig from buster-backports?
1805 [20:22:17] <hiya> replaced-url
1806 [20:22:34] <jmcnaught> johnfg: are you using "apt-get -t buster-backports install phpmyadmin"?
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1808 [20:23:07] <sney> hiya: looks like it probably goes to the authors, who are both debian developers
1809 [20:23:19] <hiya> Ok nice
1810 [20:23:29] <hiya> I will ask them if they offer courseware too
1811 [20:23:32] <sney> for general debian donation, there's SPI:
1812 [20:23:33] <sney> !spi
1813 [20:23:33] <dpkg> Software in the Public Interest (SPI) is the umbrella organization for Debian and other Free Software projects. replaced-url
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1817 [20:26:50] <johnfg> I didn't, but I am now. It appears to be working. Thanks again guys.
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1819 [20:29:10] <hiya> sney: ok thanks
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1821 [20:30:11] <johnfg> All done, all looks good.
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1836 [20:41:12] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi peeps
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1838 [20:41:26] <Eryn_1983_FL> what package do i need to install to print to my wifi printer ?
1839 [20:41:27] <Eryn_1983_FL> cups?
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1842 [20:42:01] <greycat> that's what I'd try first
1843 [20:42:13] <trek00> Eryn_1983_FL: which brand?
1844 [20:43:46] <Eryn_1983_FL> brother?
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1850 [20:46:04] <Eryn_1983_FL> replaced-url
1851 [20:46:06] <Eryn_1983_FL> this one?
1852 [20:46:19] <trek00> Eryn_1983_FL: see this guide replaced-url
1853 [20:46:27] <trek00> yes
1854 [20:46:54] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
1855 [20:47:16] <sney> if your printer model is not listed on that wiki page, it may be supported by cups without any extra work.
1856 [20:47:21] <edufmass> I need another advice, I have this workstation and another pc with apache server. I use rsync to commit changes. Where should I install composer to start new projects?
1857 [20:47:38] <trek00> Eryn_1983_FL: oops yes, see the sney answer
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1860 [20:49:21] <trek00> edufmass: probably on the same machine with apache
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1862 [20:49:53] <edufmass> trek00: thank you :)
1863 [20:50:05] <trek00> :)
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1880 [20:56:00] <bguebert> exit
1881 [20:56:01] <bguebert> exit
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1889 [20:59:45] <user217217217> Hello. My var/lib/snapd/snaps full of snaps (6GB) It is normal?
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1894 [21:01:14] <nkuttler> user217217217: did you install any snaps?
1895 [21:01:34] <trek00> user217217217: may be they are updates?
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1897 [21:02:21] <user217217217> yep. I use snaps, but I found there some that are uninstalled
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1899 [21:02:39] <user217217217> how I can manage this folder?
1900 [21:03:37] <trek00> user217217217: may be this help? replaced-url
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1904 [21:04:25] <user217217217> trek00: not really
1905 [21:04:32] <trek00> user217217217: for those uninstalled may be you can snap remove them
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1907 [21:05:18] <user217217217> trek00: they are already removed by "snap remove"
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1909 [21:06:24] <trek00> user217217217: sorry i don't know
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1911 [21:06:51] <Eryn_1983_FL> no working
1912 [21:06:52] <user217217217> trek00: no pb. thanks anyway
1913 [21:07:08] <Eryn_1983_FL> wont connect
1914 [21:07:13] <Eryn_1983_FL> yet i can ping the ip on network
1915 [21:07:14] <lwp> Eryn_1983_FL, my brother printer works on CUPS with no drivers at all. The newest CUPS supports "driverless printing" and so does my Brother printer.
1916 [21:07:15] <trek00> Eryn_1983_FL: which model is it?
1917 [21:07:28] <Eryn_1983_FL> HLL3210CW
1918 [21:07:47] <trek00> Eryn_1983_FL: well check the lwp answer
1919 [21:08:40] <Eryn_1983_FL> is that a command
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1921 [21:09:24] <lwp> Eryn_1983_FL, There was some command I had to run, to make let CUPS discover the printer on my LAN, and after that it "just works"
1922 [21:09:33] <trek00> Eryn_1983_FL: if you already installed cups, try to connect to replaced-url
1923 [21:09:47] <jehorn> lwp: I have a Brother printer as well, same thing
1924 [21:10:22] <lwp> fwiw mine is MFC-J5620DW --- several years old by now
1925 [21:10:51] <tyzef> hi guys! how you doing? I freshly installed debian10 minimal version no gui netinstall... dowloaded stuffs with wifi, it was well working... restarting after install and flop !!! no wifi anymore..... I now struggle to up back my wifi
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1927 [21:11:45] <tyzef> my idea is to run debian with openbox
1928 [21:12:06] <tyzef> my hardware config is low
1929 [21:12:10] <jehorn> tyzef: How are you connecting? This might be a dumb question but what's in your /etc/network/interfaces?
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1931 [21:12:44] <tyzef> right now I speak to you on my second computer jehorn
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1933 [21:13:46] <tyzef> jehorn: auto lo: iface lo inet loopback
1934 [21:14:05] <jehorn> tyzef: By connecting I mean you said you did a minimal install - Is /etc/network/interfaces configured?
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1936 [21:14:44] <greycat> if "lo" is the only thing in /e/n/i then you'll need Network-Manager or some non-default systemd thing to bring up the network
1937 [21:15:06] <greycat> if X isn't installed yet, then you might need to use nmcli to interface to network-manager
1938 [21:15:41] <tyzef> jehorn: "ls /etc/network/interfaces" answer "/etc/network/interfaces "
1939 [21:16:22] <tyzef> greycat I am pretty sure X is not there at all
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1941 [21:16:45] <tyzef> tried startx but nothing come
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1943 [21:16:47] <jehorn> tyzef: /etc/network/interfaces contains all the configured network adapters
1944 [21:16:50] <lwp> Eryn_1983_FL, see: replaced-url
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1946 [21:17:42] <tyzef> jehorn; so it looks no configuration at all isn't it?
1947 [21:18:08] <jehorn> tyzef: if it just has auto lo then no, it seems there is not an entry for a WiFi adapter
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1950 [21:18:27] <greycat> if "lo" is the only thing in /e/n/i then you'll need Network-Manager or some non-default systemd thing to bring up the network
1951 [21:18:39] <greycat> if X isn't installed yet, then you might need to use nmcli to interface to network-manager
1952 [21:18:41] <tyzef> jehorn: but during the install it was using wifi
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1956 [21:19:47] <trek00> tyzef: see graycat answer, but if you don't have nmcli installed and you have installed wpasupplicant, you can follow that guide replaced-url
1957 [21:19:47] <tyzef> greycat I am forced to use network manager? also how to do, that computer don't have network
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1959 [21:20:18] <tyzef> trek00 I know that wpaspplicant is installed
1960 [21:20:42] <tyzef> wpasupplicant
1961 [21:20:53] <greycat> replaced-url
1962 [21:21:42] <greycat> the subpage replaced-url
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1964 [21:21:48] <greycat> GAH, STUPID MOUSE
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1966 [21:21:52] <greycat> replaced-url
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1969 [21:22:29] <tyzef> okay greycat, so I will work on it, thank you all guys, I might come back if struggling appears again
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1974 [21:26:19] <tyzef> ah yes yesterday I was stuck on : su -l -c "wpa_passphrase myssid my_very_secret_passphrase > /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf"
1975 [21:26:36] <tyzef> why : "su" for root?
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1977 [21:26:58] <greycat> If you're configuring a system, just log in as root, and stay logged in as root until it's working.
1978 [21:27:00] <tyzef> also it was saying to me problem with my path bash
1979 [21:27:15] <greycat> Don't make your life more complicated for no reason.
1980 [21:27:51] <tyzef> thank
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1985 [21:31:48] <solrize> hmm i seem to have locked myself out of root on my laptop... i used usermod -G to add lpadmin so i could print stuff, and that removed "sys" so i can't sudo any more. any idea how to fix?
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1987 [21:32:23] <sney> if nothing else is alowed to sudo,
1988 [21:32:27] <sney> !i forgot root's password
1989 [21:32:27] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
1990 [21:32:45] <solrize> ah thanks i'll try that
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1992 [21:32:56] <greycat> P.S. the correct easy way to add yourself to a group on Debian is "adduser username groupname".
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1994 [21:33:14] <sney> and if you're using useradd out of habit, don't forget the 'a' as in 'append'
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1996 [21:33:20] <sney> usermod, that is
1997 [21:33:31] <solrize> oh good to know, i found the usermod command in a web search about printer problems
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2000 [21:34:10] <lwp> follow greycat's suggestion, it is a debian command
2001 [21:34:27] <solrize> hmm i wonder about that grub scheme, since my disk is luks
2002 [21:35:03] <sney> luks unlock is part of the initrd process I think? so it should run /bin/sh after
2003 [21:35:19] <solrize> ok i'll try
2004 [21:35:21] <solrize> thanks
2005 [21:35:30] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok ty
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2008 [21:36:39] <solrize> how is it that i can reboot the box from MATE shutdown gui thing, when i can't run sudo reboot?
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2010 [21:37:08] <sney> sudo isn't used by the desktop environment to trigger system actions
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2026 [21:47:43] <chambln> sney: So how is MATE able to reboot?
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2032 [21:49:07] <sney> probably via the gdm or lightdm service, whichever is in use
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2035 [21:52:01] <solrize> ah thanks, i was able to reboot and do that grub stuff and change the root password... any idea how to get back the list of groups my normal non-root account was in before?
2036 [21:52:13] <solrize> i thought "sys" was the one that let me sudo but apparently not
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2038 [21:52:41] <greycat> Debian uses a sudo group.
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2040 [21:53:01] <solrize> oh about rebooting, yeah all i had to do was run /sbin/reboot, no sudo needed
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2043 [21:54:14] <solrize> hmm i added myself to sudo group but still can't sudo
2044 [21:54:38] <lwp> did you logout/login ?
2045 [21:54:38] <greycat> did you log out and back in?
2046 [21:54:42] <solrize> yes
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2048 [21:54:47] <solrize> oh sec hmm
2049 [21:54:58] <solrize> starting a new window / shell wont do it?
2050 [21:55:01] <greycat> no.
2051 [21:55:11] <solrize> newgrp ?
2052 [21:55:21] <greycat> "exec su - $LOGNAME" will do it in that one shell
2053 [21:55:51] <solrize> aha that worked thanks
2054 [21:56:04] <solrize> ok will log out and in again
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2070 [22:12:06] <ws2k3> how can i install a stretch package in buster?
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2073 [22:15:02] <greycat> Download it, and any dependencies it may need that are not already satisfied. Install them with dpkg -i.
2074 [22:15:42] <greycat> You could also add stretch sources, and then use apt-get.
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2076 [22:17:25] <pileofstraw> I am having an issue with numerous intel NUC systems, identical model, that freeze running Buster. Total lockup, video freezes, networking dies. When manually rebooted there is no logging whatsoever (that I can find) indicating the freeze, the logging just stops and restarts upon physical reboot.
2077 [22:17:32] <pileofstraw> Wondering if anyone has any friendly advice on where I can even begin.
2078 [22:19:27] <trek00> pileofstraw: the freeze happened when inside X11?
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2080 [22:20:19] <jhutchins> pileofstraw: Which logs did you check?
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2082 [22:20:45] <jhutchins> pileofstraw: Unfortunately logging is one of the first things that stops on a hard freeze.
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2084 [22:22:30] <pileofstraw> X11 is running when the freeze happens, yes. These are ad players.
2085 [22:22:53] <pileofstraw> I was checking /var/log/syslog, messages, kern.log, xorg logs and the logs that our software uploads to our logservers.
2086 [22:22:58] <pileofstraw> The whole works goes dark at moment of lockup.
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2088 [22:24:10] <trek00> if you are lucky, may be you can see the errors when it happens: open a terminal when just started and leave it open until the crash, after typing: tail -f /var/log/syslog
2089 [22:24:14] <jhutchins> pileofstraw: You might check the systemd journal and enable persistent dmesg logs (not sure exactly how to do that).
2090 [22:24:46] <greycat> !persistent journal
2091 [22:24:47] <dpkg> In Debian releases 8-10, systemd's journal is not persistent by default. To enable the persistent journal, see systemd-journald.service(8) or «mkdir -p /var/log/journal; systemd-tmpfiles --create --prefix /var/log/journal». Persistent will be the default in Debian 11+.
2092 [22:24:59] <trek00> or better: dmesg -w
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2094 [22:25:41] <trek00> pileofstraw: anyway may be an issue with your GPU card? try to not run X11 and see if it doesn't crash
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2096 [22:25:48] <annadane> i still don't quite intuitively understand what mkdir -p does
2097 [22:26:13] <greycat> doesn't complain if the dir already exists
2098 [22:26:42] <trek00> annadane: if you do mkdir -p /tmp/a/b/c it will creates /tmp/a if not exist, then /tmp/a/b and /tmp/a/b/c
2099 [22:27:04] <greycat> and yes, also creates parent dirs if necessary
2100 [22:27:16] <annadane> oh! ok.
2101 [22:27:17] <pileofstraw> These units have a delightful history, this was my original issue: replaced-url
2102 [22:27:27] <pileofstraw> The fix was: Remote update 300 machines to Buster, from Stretch
2103 [22:27:35] <pileofstraw> now it seems this new symptom is arising in the updated systems.
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2106 [22:27:49] <pileofstraw> I will enable persistent dmesg logs and see if I can gather any more data. thanks!
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2109 [22:28:13] <trek00> pileofstraw: try also to not run a graphical session, or not to play sounds, may be a driver issue
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2111 [22:29:23] <pileofstraw> The issue is so intermittent that it's difficult to run any sort of A/B test. Of the 300 machines I get 1-3 lockups per day, based on the last week or two.
2112 [22:29:30] <pileofstraw> Seemingly at random.
2113 [22:29:50] <trek00> pileofstraw: they still to freeze at boot also?
2114 [22:29:53] <pileofstraw> So i could set another 10 machines on the bench and not run X11 but after a week it's either diagnostic or just means "good luck"
2115 [22:29:57] <pileofstraw> No they do not freeze at boot anymore.
2116 [22:30:01] <trek00> ok
2117 [22:30:08] <pileofstraw> I still don't know what that problem was but Buster definitely fixed it.
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2119 [22:30:17] <trek00> anyway may be also an heating issue
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2121 [22:30:34] <pileofstraw> Possibly but based on lm-sensors they all look great.
2122 [22:30:39] <trek00> ok
2123 [22:30:42] <pileofstraw> low load as well
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2126 [22:31:14] <pileofstraw> to me it reeks of an intel driver issue but i'm finding myself terrible at gathering useful data on that
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2128 [22:32:02] <technobi> Hi, is it ppossible in tty to move text with stty columns 80 rows 24 move from the top left to the center of the screen? Thanks in advance
2129 [22:32:28] <trek00> pileofstraw: there is also an intel gfx channel
2130 [22:32:31] <g0zzy> gparted seems to have stalled on resize2fs right at the end. The progress bar is right across but i feel the process will never terminate. What to do?
2131 [22:32:54] <pileofstraw> intel-gfx, I am joined but I was unclear on whether it was for tech support. thought it was strictly a dev channel.
2132 [22:33:07] <trek00> pileofstraw: well there is another
2133 [22:33:10] <pileofstraw> oh?
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2135 [22:34:27] <trek00> #intel-3d, but may be you need to wait hours before an answer, be prepared :)
2136 [22:35:46] <pileofstraw> Well its been weeks of sending technicians out for reboots so hours sounds good =)
2137 [22:36:10] <trek00> pileofstraw: may be it's faster to debug if you take 10 machines to run tests, like to not run GUI and sound on those machines for a month?
2138 [22:36:41] <trek00> pileofstraw: just to get some indication on what to search
2139 [22:37:54] <pileofstraw> trek00: none run sound so that part is great, but yes I think that would hopefully at least reveal stability
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2142 [22:38:55] <g0zzy> Finally! nm
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2150 [22:45:12] <trek00> technobi: i don't know if it is possible or not, i guess you already tried stty cols and rows, a workaround may be to set a larger font?
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2177 [23:00:44] <Asterisco> hi!
2178 [23:01:12] <Asterisco> someone could tell me if Ethernet Intel I211-aT 1Gbit is compatible with Debian 10?
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2183 [23:04:12] <jhutchins> Asterisco: It's hard to know what chipset it uses - manufacturers change them all the time - but most Intel chipsets are well supported in Linux.
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2185 [23:05:20] <dvs> especially Ethernet
2186 [23:05:28] <Asterisco> i would buy Asus Prime X570-PRO
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2189 [23:05:50] <technobi> trek00: Thank You for response... the thing is I preffer blank bottom part of the screen ... when I'm laying and typing that part in point of view is taken by my hands... and 80x24 is needed for most bulletin board systems I'm using... but couldn't find a way to center the content. Probably imposdible. Thanks
2190 [23:05:53] <jhutchins> Asterisco: Asus hardware usually works pretty well with linux.
2191 [23:06:03] <Asterisco> and eventually what is a ethernet pci that don't give problems?
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2193 [23:06:23] <jhutchins> technobi: FIDONet forever!
2194 [23:06:31] <Asterisco> could you give me some ethernet gigabit that i could buy
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2201 [23:10:14] <technobi> jhutchins: ;] I returned to bbsing after 20 years or so... wanted to get FidoNet point... ended up as FsxNet Node... feel free to visit some bbs again. many r still alive... replaced-url
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2206 [23:10:51] <Ede|Popede> technobi: i don't really get what you want. move the text right and down, center it horizontally like titles, keep the bottom part free?
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2208 [23:12:51] <technobi> Ede: The thing is ... I've got 16:9 screen... I'm in da TTU=y (console, no X)... despite bbs I'm in 80x24 setup... the screen is filled halfway, but the text is top left... desired setup is to center the text...
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2214 [23:14:47] <Ede|Popede> technobi: i remember in DOS (direct access to everything, yes;))... VGA text mode allowed to define scrollable areas. maybe there's a similar solution for ANSI. and there should be something, i can't imagine ncurses based programs would repaint all of the screen all the time when just a text or a file listing is scrolled
2215 [23:14:55] <trek00> technobi: may be using tmux with multiple windows opened?
2216 [23:15:02] <Ede|Popede> but a poor man's solution would be screen/tmux
2217 [23:15:29] <trek00> :D
2218 [23:15:46] <Ede|Popede> 2:1 for tmux ;)
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2220 [23:16:26] <Ede|Popede> technobi, maybe replaced-url
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2224 [23:18:10] <Ede|Popede> or if you don't fear the dust :) replaced-url
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2226 [23:21:48] <technobi> This is the actual state: replaced-url
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2228 [23:22:24] <technobi> upper left...
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2230 [23:23:50] <technobi> O.K. ... the thing is ... in console... TTY ... and using stty the text is top left... I thought there would be something like stty shift 16 or so... thank You for the links I'll explore that... another help probably would be to edit some of the frame buffer terminals... but 8 colors is enough... and some of them are buggy... thank You again... ... BTW: I'm using screen... would that help me to shift the
2231 [23:23:56] <technobi> text to the center?
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2244 [23:28:45] <trek00> technobi: replaced-url
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2246 [23:29:04] <trek00> technobi: you can split the screen into multiple regions
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2255 [23:32:06] <Aebian> is there aany preffered audio recorder you can recommend?
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2257 [23:32:46] <technobi> trek00: Thank You... well... I'm now using TTY1-6 .. and each of it is connected to different machine... and on each machine I've got GNU screen session... what I'm seeking here is to move the area of text in the center... somehow to force the text to be drawn in the center... I know in X it would be just the question of moving the window ... but there are no windows in the TTY... and even screen can
2258 [23:32:52] <technobi> split the window ... and that would be probably the way... to go full screen without the stty cols & rows settings and have the area centered... my question is answered.. thank You very much for the effort You spent with me.
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2261 [23:34:59] <Aebian> oh audacity exists on linux too, nvm then
2262 [23:35:17] <trek00> :)
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2264 [23:36:06] <Kobaz> you kno what would be good.... a mostly-unattended apt-get dist-upgrade... hold off on installing any packages that have prompts or config diffs until the end
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2266 [23:41:12] <Ede|Popede> technobi, that's just one of the things you can do with tmux/screen replaced-url
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2268 [23:42:20] <Ede|Popede> technobi, i think there are 8 regions in the screenshot
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2273 [23:44:02] <oxek> How would I go about getting this fixed in debian as well? replaced-url
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2286 [23:55:08] <technobi> Ede|Popede: In the screenshot the text screen dimensions are 'bout 200x50 chars... am usin' 80x24... but I'd like the lines to start at approx 20th column of the display... and something that would control the text size and properties like styy columns 80 rows 24 ... programatically it would be just shifting each line's beggining by x spaces... I'll explore screen & tmux capabilities. Thank You
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2290 [23:58:16] <technobi> seems like tmux is the answer ... thanks again
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