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18 [00:19:34] <Kon> Would anyone here happen to know why weekly live builds are no longer available? All the CD images have been removed from this link replaced-url
19 [00:20:36] <GChriss> Is there a way to enable bluetooth-on-by-default within the debian live install image? I don't have a USB keyboard, only a bluetooth one, so I can't get past the first prompt
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22 [00:22:45] <GChriss> maybe a grub option?
23 [00:22:47] <lwp> Kon, I see lots of images in that directory, from 2020-04-20
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25 [00:23:37] <Kon> lwp: The largest file there is 1 MB. They appear to all be metadata, including package lists
26 [00:23:42] <lwp> Kon, errr, actually only content, log, and packages, sorry, i'm wrong
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33 [00:28:44] <trek00> GChriss: is your bluetooth driver requires non-free firmware?
34 [00:29:08] <GChriss> No, I don't believe so. Generic chip
35 [00:29:36] <trek00> GChriss: well, may be it requires pairing
36 [00:30:06] <trek00> GChriss: may be you can try to run a live debian and if it gets configured, then you can install from it
37 [00:30:14] <GChriss> pre-paired, the controller doesn't power on at actual boot
38 [00:30:33] <trek00> GChriss: pre-paried with the installer?
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41 [00:30:54] <GChriss> pre-paired the controller with the keyboard. "run a live debian" = the end goal.
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46 [00:32:02] <trek00> GChriss: so with live debian keyboard doesn't work?
47 [00:32:44] <GChriss> Yes, but we're talking the setup menu, not a gnome desktop
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49 [00:33:30] <trek00> once you run inside the debian live desktop, you can select installation from the menu
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51 [00:35:00] <GChriss> Yes, but I can't get that far. I have to push 'enter' to land in the desktop, and I don't have a bluetooth connection to do so
52 [00:35:41] <trek00> i don't know then
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56 [00:38:23] <trek00> GChriss: it doesn't start after some (30) seconds?
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60 [00:39:20] <GChriss> Not on the latest builds, no
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66 [00:43:31] <awalis> Hello everyone
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68 [00:45:27] <awalis> bash quesiton, in such a construct : bash -c 'cat file.txt|grep "href=\"someURL"|cut -d $'\n' -f 2,4'
69 [00:45:48] <awalis> I need to escape the $'\n' part
70 [00:46:15] <awalis> but I can't figure a way to do it : $\'\\n\' is not working
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73 [00:47:21] <ratrace> awalis: there's #bash you know
74 [00:48:01] <awalis> :)
75 [00:48:11] <awalis> I'll try
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78 [00:52:29] <trek00> awalis: use " insetad of ' on the cut part: "\n"
79 [00:54:53] <trek00> awalis: well not, this is a bashism
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82 [00:56:14] <trek00> awalis: try if that works for you: bash -c 'cat file.txt|grep "href=\"someURL"|cut -d "\n" -f 2,4'
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106 [01:16:11] <Oksana> Since yesterday, lightdm doesn't let anybody log in - the greeter just blinks and reappears. tty login is fine.
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112 [01:18:07] <TomyWork> hi
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114 [01:19:28] <TomyWork> I moved a VM from virtualbox to qemu/kvm/libvirt by just converting the image and booting it up. now for some reason, I need to manually run "dhclient ens5" in order to make it acquire an IP address
115 [01:19:49] <TomyWork> how does debian know which interfaces to use DHCP for?
116 [01:20:06] <TomyWork> this is debian 9, if it matters
117 [01:20:32] <awalis> trek00: it says : cut delimiter must be one character only
118 [01:21:06] <awalis> I need the sequence $'\n' as a delimiter
119 [01:21:24] <dvs> TomyWork, The network interfaces are usually configured in /etc/network/interfaces
120 [01:21:33] <jmcnaught> TomyWork: there are different ways but the default is to configure it with /etc/network/interfaces and use the ifup and ifdown commands
121 [01:21:55] <TomyWork> that indeed contains the old name
122 [01:22:12] <TomyWork> is that autogenerated somehow?
123 [01:22:19] <TomyWork> i guess on install?
124 [01:22:25] <TomyWork> parts of it look vagrant-generated
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126 [01:22:45] <dvs> TomyWork, the file is generated using the prompts during the instlal
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128 [01:22:55] <TomyWork> ah
129 [01:23:01] <TomyWork> so basically by packer
130 [01:23:25] <dvs> well, the configuration of the package.
131 [01:23:40] <TomyWork> packer is a tool to generate vagrant base boxes from the iso and... time
132 [01:24:23] <dvs> never heard of it
133 [01:24:55] <TomyWork> can i alias the network interfaces to the old names (enp0s3/8) via kernel command line?
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138 [01:26:43] <dvs> TomyWork, I think you want to erase the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules to get the real name
139 [01:27:05] <TomyWork> i do that when creating base boxes
140 [01:27:12] <TomyWork> let me check if it came back
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142 [01:27:42] <TomyWork> nope
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151 [01:34:42] <TomyWork> so, can i pass udev rules via the kernel command line?
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154 [01:36:23] <sney> if /etc/network/interfaces is pointing to the wrong interface name, edit it and fix the interface name
155 [01:36:43] <TomyWork> sney, well i didnt fancy repacking all my boxes :)
156 [01:36:44] <sney> the udev rules approach is deprecated in buster anyway. see replaced-url
157 [01:36:56] <sney> if they're consistent I imagine you could script it somehow
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159 [01:37:31] <trek00> awalis: right, then write: bash -c 'cat file.txt|grep "href=\"someURL"|cut -d "^V^J" -f 2,4'
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161 [01:37:50] <trek00> awalis: where ^V^J are actually CTRL+V CTRL+J
162 [01:38:30] <TomyWork> sney, it'd still take a lot of time
163 [01:38:36] <TomyWork> also, they're not
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165 [01:39:16] <awalis> trek00: let me see
166 [01:39:40] <TomyWork> hmm, maybe i can mount the image externally and edit it that way
167 [01:39:44] <TomyWork> might be faster
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169 [01:41:00] <awalis> trek00: ! aweome ! it worked
170 [01:41:14] <trek00> awalis: good :)
171 [01:41:24] <awalis> so c-Vc-J signals a new line in bash ?
172 [01:41:49] <awalis> trek00: thank a lot !
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174 [01:41:58] <awalis> *thanks
175 [01:42:08] <trek00> awalis: CTRL-V lets you to put any character without begin interpreted by the shell and CTRL-J is the newlinew
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177 [01:45:14] <awalis> trek00: great info ! in emacs there's something similar where you can use C-q C-j to insert a newline character, in a search-replace for example
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180 [01:45:54] <trek00> awalis: yeah it's the same, but for terminals, you can use it inside vi too for example
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182 [01:48:15] <awalis> trek00: thanks again buddy! you saved me. quoting in bash is a bit hard. (\) inside a (') isn't special anymore, so id doesn't escape anything.
183 [01:48:52] <trek00> awalis: yes to escape you need the string quoted with "
184 [01:49:24] <trek00> awalis: but it's more error prone if you don't escape all the " and \ correctly
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186 [01:53:32] <awalis> aghh... I tried quotes inside double quotes and vice versa, neither worked. I prefer the ^V^C way tbh ^^
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188 [01:55:01] <trek00> yes it's far more robust :)
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191 [01:56:46] <TomyWork> crap, now to figure out how this works on suse
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194 [01:58:35] <Kon> Is there a better way to upgrade to Testing than just changing the sources.list and updating thousands of packages?
195 [01:59:13] <trek00> Kon: better for what?
196 [01:59:14] <Kon> Actually, ideally, I'd like to install Testing from the start
197 [01:59:36] <Kon> Well, just the idea that updating thousands of packages doesn't seem like the most stable thing in the world
198 [01:59:47] <dvs> Kon, well there wouldn
199 [01:59:53] <dvs> t be the recommended way
200 [02:00:19] <Kon> Sorry, what do you mean by that?
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203 [02:01:13] <dvs> The recommended way is to install stable and change the sources.list file to testing
204 [02:01:29] <Kon> Hmm, interesting
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209 [02:01:54] <dvs> Kon, if you install from the testing image then you would be testing the testing installer.
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213 [02:03:27] <annadane> to sort of echo dvs, the generally recommended way is to install testing by installing a minimal stable and upgrading from there and only then installing things (and not using the testing installer), though i understand not wanting to reinstall with a lot of packages
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216 [02:04:07] <awalis> testing the testing installer would still get you a working system on testing repository packages
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219 [02:04:21] <annadane> but yeah if you're starting fresh you can install stable minimally and then move to testing
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224 [02:05:10] <trek00> Kon: check replaced-url
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226 [02:05:45] <Kon> I actually kind of wanted to run the Calamares installer which I know is at least being used in KDE Testing. Not 100% sure about other spins
227 [02:06:11] <Kon> But as I mentioned earlier, the ISO files aren't in weekly-live-builds anymore
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229 [02:06:21] <Kon> Just metadata
230 [02:07:01] <trek00> replaced-url
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233 [02:07:56] <Kon> Ah, I'll give this a go. I thought DI stood for debian-installer
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236 [02:08:53] <sney> it does and that's what that is
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238 [02:09:07] <Kon> Okay, so that would not be the Calamares installer
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244 [02:10:45] <Kon> Yep just confirmed this is the old school debian-installer
245 [02:11:17] <trek00> Kon: if you want calamares may be you can try debian live testing replaced-url
246 [02:11:24] <sney> #debian-live on irc.oftc.net would be your source for information on the future of calamares in debian, I think
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248 [02:11:41] <dvs> trek00, not there. You already checked earlier
249 [02:11:46] <Kon> trek00: [20:06] <Kon> But as I mentioned earlier, the ISO files aren't in weekly-live-builds anymore
250 [02:11:56] <Kon> I can go there and ask sney
251 [02:12:03] <trek00> oh sorry
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274 [02:25:53] <uxfi> test
275 [02:26:46] <annadane> !test
276 [02:26:46] <dpkg> Test failed.
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279 [02:29:02] <lwp> Kon, the buster live images have the calamares installer. you could install one of those with it, then upgrade
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281 [02:30:54] <lwp> Kon, for example this one should be more minimal, I think with no DE: replaced-url
282 [02:31:54] <Kon> lwp: You're right! it is on Buster live images as well. Just tried it
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284 [02:32:11] <Kon> Interesting, I had thought for sure it was still in testing
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286 [02:32:15] <lwp> Kon, I've heard positive feedback about using it
287 [02:32:33] <lwp> Kon, it arrived with buster release
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298 [03:00:17] <somiaj> !tell Kon about testing installer
299 [03:00:48] <somiaj> Kon: the prefered way to install testing is to use an offical image, install a minimial base system (don't select any DE at the end), then dist-upgrade. Also testing questions should be in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
300 [03:01:22] <somiaj> seems to be a lot using the calamares live installer, but debian still suggests using the debian-installer on the install images (not live images)
301 [03:01:46] <Kon> That's great and all, but I was hoping to get a fairly recent Calamares. I tested the one in Buster and there's a few things I know for a fact have been changed or fixed in master
302 [03:01:58] <annadane> yeah i really need to familiarize myself with calamares so i can answer people's questions about it
303 [03:02:17] <Kon> Perhaps it's not possible right now. Maybe there's a sid live image
304 [03:02:18] * dvs things about octopi
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306 [03:03:29] <Kon> For now, if people need a Testing system, DI isn't that bad at the end of the day
307 [03:03:47] <Kon> Perfectly good installer
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317 [03:17:34] <lwp> ,v calamares
318 [03:17:36] <judd> Package: calamares on amd64 -- buster: 3.2.4-3; bullseye: 3.2.23-1; sid: 3.2.23-1
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321 [03:19:31] <lwp> Kon, it may be that the weekly live images are waiting for the rollout of buster 10.4, which I've heard is in the works right now
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325 [03:20:38] <dvs> doubtful for 10.4
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327 [03:24:49] <annadane> thing with debian it's so reliable that even something that isn't "officially recommended" with a little (or even practically none) elbow grease is perfectly usable by people
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329 [03:25:03] <annadane> the "official" recommendation is still AFAIK to install testing by upgrading from minimal stable
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331 [03:25:22] <annadane> but i suppose if you really wanted to you could use the testing installer
332 [03:25:26] <annadane> or calamares, or whatever
333 [03:25:58] <dvs> That's Ubuntu talk!
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335 [03:26:52] <annadane> i think the expert install once allowed you to install testing/sid
336 [03:26:54] <annadane> and they got rid of that
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346 [03:41:35] <Kobaz> is there a buster package for openssl with this patch available: replaced-url
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411 [05:16:33] <Delta706> can anyone suggest a web page on how to configure grub to provide the option to boot from an iso which is a file on one of the file systems?
412 [05:16:45] <prologic> Just to confirm is libressl in the standard package trees of Debian?
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414 [05:16:57] <prologic> apt seems to show it isn't
415 [05:17:36] <somiaj> Delta706: Have you tried to search for one. Note there is no way that works for all .iso files, for example the debian hybrid .iso files often won't work with chaing booting from grub like that due to their hybrid nature.
416 [05:17:39] <annadane> prologic, no, never heard of that
417 [05:17:55] <prologic> you've never heard of libressl?
418 [05:17:59] <prologic> have you been living under a rock? :)
419 [05:18:04] <annadane> i've never heard of libressl being in debian
420 [05:18:06] <annadane> i know what it is
421 [05:18:14] <prologic> oh :)
422 [05:18:16] <prologic> haha
423 [05:18:21] <prologic> Okay good then I'm not going insane
424 [05:18:34] <annadane> well, maybe...
425 [05:18:35] <prologic> some clown put libressl-dev in our CI systems on Debian/Ubuntu
426 [05:18:43] <annadane> oh dear
427 [05:18:47] <prologic> which I can confirm also doesn't exist in the standard package trrees
428 [05:19:02] <prologic> thought I was missing someth8nig :)
429 [05:19:05] <prologic> like a marble or two
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431 [05:20:06] <somiaj> prologic: apt policy packagename (sometimes gives idea of where it came from), you can also get more info about a package origin sometimes
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433 [05:20:28] <prologic> but the package doesn't even exist :)
434 [05:20:38] <prologic> so not sure how apt policy would help me :)
435 [05:20:50] <prologic> I know Alpine ships with both openssl and libressl
436 [05:20:58] <prologic> And macOS ships libressl by default
437 [05:21:04] <prologic> but most other systems I know of ship openssl
438 [05:21:44] <somiaj> prologic: it will tell you local if that is the only place it knows it comes from.
439 [05:22:01] <somiaj> if someone added sources to apt that had it, it would say what sources it came from.
440 [05:23:02] <annadane> just for general information void linux ships libressl
441 [05:23:14] <prologic> ahh I see what you're saying
442 [05:23:19] <prologic> yeah no in this case we're tlaking about CI on fresh systems
443 [05:23:22] <prologic> so its just plain wrong
444 [05:23:37] <prologic> annadane ahh thanks!
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446 [05:23:48] <prologic> I'll check that out; I'm actually also looking for a distro that ships with libressl by default
447 [05:24:00] <annadane> openssl does have fixes since the whole heartbleed thing but i have no idea whether or not we're likely to see more exploits in future
448 [05:24:29] <prologic> oh and its libssl-dev on Debian anyway
449 [05:24:34] <prologic> not openssl-dev which is also wrong
450 [05:24:34] <prologic> wtf
451 [05:24:45] <annadane> yeah, libssl does exist
452 [05:24:50] <annadane> easy to confuse it with libressl
453 [05:24:57] <prologic> tell me about it
454 [05:25:02] <prologic> this script is just plain wrong
455 [05:25:03] <prologic> :/
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586 [07:58:23] <DracoSentien> I notice stuff. For instance, Debian no longer installs with a whois or dig command. That Linux has been compromised remotely by trojans for 8 consecutive years and that Debian is owned (pwned) by the NSA
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589 [07:58:33] <DracoSentien> linux is for bitches and dumb ones at that
590 [07:58:40] <DracoSentien> I put netbsd on my laptop
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593 [08:00:10] <sgo11> hi, I am running xfce. There are many rectangle notification advertisement popup windows on my screen. This is jsut weird. I never met such problems befoer and never install anything untrusted. Is that possible to determine which app/program causes all the adv windows? Thans a lot.
594 [08:01:33] <sgo11> I thought it might be from chrome. I tried to kill chrome process, but those notificaiton windows are still on screen. It might because they are just normal notifications once the app triggers them. Are there easy ways to determine the source for sure?
595 [08:02:47] <Kon> What do the notification windows say?
596 [08:03:10] <sgo11> wait a second. I will take a screenshot.
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599 [08:06:37] <sgo11> Kon: here is the screenshot. replaced-url
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601 [08:07:35] <diogenes_> sgo11, start with identifying what apps are currently running, run in terminal: top and make a screenshot of the terminal.
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603 [08:08:50] <sillyslux__> chrome://settings/content/notifications
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605 [08:08:54] <sgo11> diogenes_: ok. so there are no ways to determine the source of popups instead of checking all suspicious apps?
606 [08:08:59] <Kon> sgo11: Do you have wine installed?
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609 [08:09:46] <Kon> Actually, just listen to diogenes_. That's the smart advice
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611 [08:10:02] <sgo11> Kon: no. I think sillyslux__ is right. I saw those allow notification from chrome.
612 [08:10:03] <sillyslux__> start with chrome
613 [08:10:40] <sgo11> sillyslux__: you are right. I saw those websites allow on the chrome notification UI. fres-news.com etc... I never remember enable the allow right.
614 [08:11:19] <sgo11> this is just weird. if debian can provide a way of notification source. that will be much easier. :)
615 [08:11:49] <sillyslux__> i have a few host in "Allow" section and some more in "Block" section, do you have any in your "Allow" section?
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617 [08:12:17] <sillyslux__> these are not regular notifications afaik
618 [08:12:40] <sillyslux__> i think chrome implemented this themselves
619 [08:13:06] <Kon> sgo11: Open top as suggested and see if there are any chrome or web processes open
620 [08:13:45] <sillyslux__> ps ax|grep chrom
621 [08:15:26] <sillyslux__> replaced-url
622 [08:15:55] <sgo11> sorry about my english. I found them in chrome Notification allow UI. For example, the notification shows the adv for fres-news.com and that is in my chrome Allow list. I have removed them.
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629 [08:18:23] <sgo11> I think the problem is solved and I have removed those Allow sites from chrome notification. I will wait to see if popups will come back agian. Thank you all very much for the help.
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631 [08:21:03] <awal1> "allow sites ..." comes again and again and....from chromium (or chrome) no way stopping that...
632 [08:21:45] <sillyslux__> ublock origin even blocks fres-news "Because of the following filter||fres-news.com^ Found in: Malware domains "
633 [08:21:48] <han-solo> hello folks
634 [08:22:02] <han-solo> how to know which package installed another in using dpkg/apt ?
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639 [08:24:14] <han-solo> nvm, got it. Thanks :)
640 [08:26:22] <sgo11> I think "allow sites" should only be aaded only with my permissions, no?
641 [08:27:00] <sillyslux__> yes, you have to click on a "allow" button
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643 [08:28:01] <sillyslux__> you can disable it altogether
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645 [08:30:13] <sgo11> sillyslux__: I don't remember click allow button for those malware domains. but I will be careful next time. I don't want to disable notification because other web apps are using it. Thanks.
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699 [09:33:16] <umbrarex> good morning. i have been having some issues with openldap and fusiondirectory after trying to upgrade an old server with debian 7 to 9. where is the best channel to try and ask about it?
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705 [09:38:56] <antto> you're trying to upgrade from 7 to 9?
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707 [09:40:29] <Kulrak> so, I used jigdo to build the 'STICK16GB' deb/testing image.. and it's like 400mb too large to fit on any of the 16gb sticks I have.. any advice?
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713 [09:43:24] <umbrarex> antto i have already made the upgrade. it worked. the issue lies with fusiondirectory 1.3 and ldap. i am unable to see any user on fusiondirectory
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715 [09:43:54] <antto> *shrug*
716 [09:44:13] <antto> i wanted to say that normally you don't jump over debian versions when you upgrade
717 [09:44:28] <umbrarex> ah no. i went from 7 to 8 and then from 8 to 9
718 [09:44:34] <umbrarex> sorry if that wasn't obvious.
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804 [10:53:56] <murii> Hi, how can I get Java 11 for Debian 9.8?
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806 [10:55:31] <Plasmoduck> Hi, what does this mean and how can I fix it? malloc(): invalid size (unsorted)
807 [10:55:32] <Plasmoduck> Aborted
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811 [10:56:02] <Plasmoduck> I just build cava, it's a mpd visualiser replaced-url
812 [10:56:20] <Plasmoduck> I get that message when I run it
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815 [10:57:49] <Plasmoduck> Maybe just need a reboot
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817 [10:58:38] <ansimita> murii: You can get it through debian backports: apt-get -t stretch-backports install openjdk-11-jdk
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826 [11:00:58] <murii> ansimita: will try, ty!
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828 [11:01:27] <ansimita> murii: replace openjdk-11-jdk with openjdk-11-jre if you just need to run programs
829 [11:01:27] <Plasmoduck> nope, reboot didn't help
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856 [11:37:25] <ksk> Plasmoduck: you would need to report a bug upstream to that project, nothing debian related imho.
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860 [11:42:19] <Plasmoduck> It's weird because it was working 2 days ago before I format and reinstall
861 [11:42:21] <Plasmoduck> now I get that
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869 [11:50:43] <klaas> can I get kdump to work with an encrypted root dir? It seems to just hang with default configuration
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873 [11:54:58] <g0zzy> I created a transient timer but it won't list with systemctl list-timers --all. How do i get to see it?
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878 [11:59:30] <MrTrick> I have 3 debian servers (maybe more later) and need to do some locking between them, eg a shared mutex. Without adding some external arbiter or a service that runs on just one server, is there a good solution?
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887 [12:09:06] <moldy> MrTrick: oof. maybe some network filesystem.
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892 [12:11:36] * g0zzy doesn't think you can. How crap is that?
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895 [12:18:15] <vlt> Hello. I’m trying to start X on a "Red Hat, Inc Virtio GPU" VGA controller (Parallels) and get (EE) errors from X: replaced-url
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904 [12:31:35] <MrTrick> moldy: thanks, have been looking in that direction. I was hoping there was a "duh, use $STANDARD_UNIX_THING" answer. :-D
905 [12:33:07] <meltingwax> MrTrick: if you have a database, you might be able to accomplish something via table locking
906 [12:34:05] <MrTrick> It is easy if one leans on an external piece, yes.
907 [12:36:06] <meltingwax> if you don't lean on external pieces, you have to lean on internal pieces, which means write something yourself
908 [12:36:15] <meltingwax> sorry i can't be more helpful
909 [12:36:27] <oiaohm> vlt: I did not think parallels had virtio gpu
910 [12:38:04] <vlt> oiaohm: Hmmmm,
911 [12:38:34] <vlt> oiaohm: is there an xserver-xorg- package I could try?
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917 [12:41:43] <oiaohm> vlt: replaced-url
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919 [12:44:15] <MrTrick> meltingwax: no problem, thanks
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926 [12:51:59] <murii> Hi, I have an apple keyboard and a wireless mouse (uses an USB to connect). Since I got the mouse the keyboard randomly disconnects
927 [12:52:15] <murii> tips?
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929 [12:59:22] <petn-randall> vlt is getting help in the other channel.
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934 [13:01:03] <vlt> petn-randall: Thanks :-)
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990 [13:52:48] <Delta706> Does the debian project produce a minimal rescue-disk ISO for debian with some basic utilities?
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992 [13:57:18] <ksk> Delta706: nope. I utilize grml (grml.org) for that usecase
993 [13:58:47] <Delta706> that looks interesting, ksk. Can the ISO be loop-booted?
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996 [13:59:26] <dvs> Delta706, the installation ISO doubles as a rescue disk
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998 [14:01:31] <Delta706> dvs, are you saying that the debian ISO doubles as a rescue disk?
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1001 [14:02:55] <dvs> Delta706, yes, people usually use it to restore the MBR but it allows you to boot into your installation if you can't during a normal boot
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1008 [14:10:11] <abrotman> He said .. exactly that ..
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1019 [14:22:32] <qswz> Can someone explain me how it's possible that debian lxqt is 2.2G replaced-url
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1021 [14:22:52] <qswz> since lubuntu is based on ubuntu, which is based on debian
1022 [14:23:04] <towo^work> it's possible because debian is not ubuntu
1023 [14:23:10] <dvs> !based on debian
1024 [14:23:11] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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1026 [14:23:33] <qswz> hmm ok
1027 [14:23:38] <towo^work> you compare apples to pears
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1029 [14:24:04] <qswz> thanks, but still confused why that image is so much bigger
1030 [14:24:24] <qswz> I guess the biggest part there is lxqt anyway
1031 [14:26:32] <deadrom> qswz, canonical decided to prepare the image with a different focus on what they think is necessary as a base setup. debian seems to give you another software collection that extends certain uses further than they do..
1032 [14:28:29] <deadrom> "lxqt" merely says it will feature an lxqt desktop much like (caution, car analogy) a Volkswagen or Renault Diesel will both give you a Diesel car but that says nothing about whether it's a hot hatch or estate.
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1041 [14:37:39] <qswz> ah ok, thanks
1042 [14:37:55] <qswz> so basically they trim down some of debian core features
1043 [14:39:47] <abrotman> qswz: you can grab both and inspect the Packagse list
1044 [14:40:38] <qswz> I was kinda doing that I think replaced-url
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1046 [14:42:07] <qswz> lubuntu's less clear on what's inside
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1093 [15:43:12] <fightthewalrus> hello, I installed Debian 10, but now can't boot. It seems that the disk isn't identified as a bootable medium. What can I do to fix this?
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1095 [15:44:08] <fightthewalrus> I applied encryption and set grub to be installed in the same disk as the installation. Should've been standard procedure. Any ideas?
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1115 [16:08:41] <qswz> bootrepair maybe
1116 [16:09:00] <qswz> replaced-url
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1122 [16:12:55] <greycat> dpkg, wiki 403 is <reply>If your IP address is blocked from the Debian wiki, please mail wiki@debian.org with your IP address. See also <replaced-url
1123 [16:13:07] <greycat> dpkg, wiki403 is <reply>If your IP address is blocked from the Debian wiki, please mail wiki@debian.org with your IP address. See also <replaced-url
1124 [16:13:08] <dpkg> okay, greycat
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1153 [16:41:39] <fightthewalrus> qswz: sounds like a good start, I'll look
1154 [16:42:14] <Akuw> i am doing this "ssh root@10.10.3.22 find /home/ajs/2019/10 -name "*gz" -exec zcat {} \;"
1155 [16:42:23] <Akuw> but get find: missing argument to `-exec'
1156 [16:43:00] <ayekat> Akuw: '*gz' instead of "*gz"
1157 [16:43:22] <Akuw> hummm ok
1158 [16:43:27] <ayekat> (or escape them with \ at least - right now, the *gz is outside the string)
1159 [16:44:09] <Akuw> same error using ''
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1163 [16:45:11] <Akuw> and removing '' gives the same error
1164 [16:45:25] <themill> ssh does all manner of nasty things to the command.... you need more quoting for the ;
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1166 [16:47:08] <Akuw> solution was using ""
1167 [16:47:11] <Akuw> working
1168 [16:47:12] <Akuw> thanks
1169 [16:48:38] <greycat> '*gz' and "*gz" are identical in shells
1170 [16:48:54] <greycat> both types of quotes suppress filename expansion
1171 [16:49:00] <themill> greycat: it's not about the wildcard, it's about the ; at the end
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1173 [16:49:32] <greycat> I was responding to ayekat. I have akuw* on permanent ignore.
1174 [16:50:03] <ayekat> greycat: yes, but it was nested in another ""
1175 [16:50:14] <ayekat> so you either need to escape it or put it in '' there
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1177 [16:50:46] <greycat> sounds like some sort of docker/aws nightmare
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1183 [16:58:10] <ayekat> ugh... wait, the "" was around the whole ssh command, but not actually part of the command itself, hence my confusion
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1224 [17:34:43] <v0lksman> hello all! Trying to get an answer on how APT behaves. I have a weird scenario where I use a 3rd party repo. My system has a cached InRelease file that no longer exists upstream, they changed to a Release and Release.pgp. Their server however issues empty directory listings instead of 404s. Am I correct to assume that an empty 200 to apt update will tell apt to use it's local cached files as upstream
1225 [17:34:49] <v0lksman> seems to be under maintenance or having issues?
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1229 [17:35:47] <v0lksman> where a proper 404 would trigger apt to look for Release or something else that will point it in the right direction?
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1236 [17:40:50] <v0lksman> ew "force APT to use only the rpms it has already downloaded" in man apt-get!!!
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1269 [18:04:11] <veikko> getting 404s here also
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1309 [18:20:15] <pitch> I keep getting the message: The following packages have been kept back: when doing 'apt-get upgrade'
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1314 [18:20:32] <pitch> is this because it would break dependencies?
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1648 [19:08:40] <Bradipo> Does debian (or anyone) maintain an archive old sources used to build the dpkg packages for older releases?
1649 [19:08:55] <greycat> !snapsnot
1650 [19:09:14] <greycat> !snapshots
1651 [19:09:14] <dpkg> replaced-url
1652 [19:09:18] <greycat> one of those...
1653 [19:09:22] <Bradipo> Let me look.
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1655 [19:09:54] <Bradipo> So this will have archived tarballs used to build a dpkg for a given package?
1656 [19:10:09] <greycat> There's also replaced-url
1657 [19:10:55] <Bradipo> Ok.
1658 [19:11:10] <greycat> But yes, you can get Debian sources from the replaced-url
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1660 [19:11:52] <Bradipo> Oh, nice.
1661 [19:11:58] <Bradipo> Yes, it does seem to be rather complete.
1662 [19:12:06] <sney> it doesn't go back all the way through history, so if you're looking for something *super* old you may be out of luck, but I think it's consistent back to sarge or so
1663 [19:12:19] <Bradipo> Yeah, it seems to have what I'm looking for.
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1666 [19:13:36] <Bradipo> Excellent, thanks.
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1872 [19:38:10] <tinfoil-hat> Hey, the gitweb update replaced my cusom css and gitweb.cgi without asking, is this indendet behaviour?
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1881 [19:42:58] <sney> debconf usually prompts before updating files edited by the user, was the package from debian?
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1886 [19:44:59] <greycat> that prompt only applies to "conffiles", I believe
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1890 [19:48:43] <tinfoil-hat> greycat: thank you
1891 [19:49:11] <tinfoil-hat> sney: Yes, I have installed gitweb via apt-get
1892 [19:49:22] <tinfoil-hat> from official repos
1893 [19:50:08] <tinfoil-hat> the gitweb files are stored in /usr/share tough, may related or not
1894 [19:51:00] <somiaj> tinfoil-hat: did you put your custom changes in /usr/share?
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1896 [19:52:21] <tinfoil-hat> somiaj: yes
1897 [19:52:39] <somiaj> tinfoil-hat: that is the issue, you should not be edditing files in /usr/share, they will be overwritten
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1899 [19:53:08] <tinfoil-hat> okay thank you, where should I place them instead?
1900 [19:53:22] <somiaj> Those are the default files that an application will use, but user configs should be done in /etc (standard). I don't know gitweb, so you may have to read the docs on where to place user overrides.
1901 [19:53:35] <somiaj> sometimes that info is in /usr/share/doc/packagename
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1903 [19:54:08] <tinfoil-hat> thank you seems it's a classical case of Linux did what it was told to do
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1906 [19:55:10] <somiaj> on debian you should let dpkg manage all files in /usr, don't add files, edit, them, or install third party there (dpkg will overwrite them without warning) (note /usr/local is not /usr in this regard)
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1910 [19:56:17] <tinfoil-hat> hmm.. but in /etc there is a /etc/gitweb.conf but this file doesn't cover the changes I wanted to do
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1912 [19:56:34] <tinfoil-hat> like change the css
1913 [19:56:57] <somiaj> I don't know gitweb, so I don't know how to do user overrides, check the docs in /usr/share/doc/gitweb
1914 [19:57:14] <somiaj> it could also be a location in /var
1915 [19:57:36] <tinfoil-hat> i am reading trough it rn
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1918 [19:57:56] <somiaj> If there is no way to do user overrides without editing the files in /usr/share, then this is a bug with a package (though I supsect this it not the case, and the issue is not knowing how to do user overrides for this application)
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1921 [20:01:24] <tinfoil-hat> I greped trough the dir and saw only 2 mentions of override, containing overrides for /etc/gitweb.conf as I can decipher it but a possibility to /usr/share/gitweb files aren't mentioned
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1923 [20:01:58] <somiaj> they may not call it override, dead through the docs there
1924 [20:02:04] <eblip> hey i cant find any of the screen recorders in the repo...kazam obs
1925 [20:02:14] <eblip> can anyone recommend a good screen recorder
1926 [20:02:23] <eblip> lightweight ideally
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1929 [20:03:08] <tinfoil-hat> Readme clarifies further that I should also read trough gitweb.conf, but the goal is to edit the files in /usr/share
1930 [20:03:24] <somiaj> tinfoil-hat: or just read the manpage for gitweb.conf(5) -- it tells you exactly where to configure styleshets
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1933 [20:03:38] <somiaj> no the goal is not to edit the files in /usr/share
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1935 [20:03:48] <somiaj> the goal is to make copies of those files and edit them in a user safe location
1936 [20:04:17] <somiaj> maybe just put them in $projectroot
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1938 [20:04:46] <tinfoil-hat> I mailed to debian user mailing list, maybe one can work it out there
1939 [20:05:14] <somiaj> my guess is you just need to configure what additional stylehseets you want to use using gitweb.conf, man page seems to lay this out well
1940 [20:05:17] <tinfoil-hat> also so it's reseachable for people having the same issue
1941 [20:05:38] <tinfoil-hat> man gitweb.conf
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1944 [20:05:45] <tinfoil-hat> sorry wrong window
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1948 [20:07:24] <tinfoil-hat> okay the location on stylesheet I can change in /etc/gitweb.conf, let's see if I can specify the gitweb.cgi as well
1949 [20:07:33] <tinfoil-hat> ty so far
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1951 [20:08:09] <somiaj> why are you using a custom gitweb.cgi and not the one provided by the debian pakage (I guess I don't see why you would have edited that binary in the first place)
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1953 [20:09:08] <tinfoil-hat> I changed it, so it is able to render Markdown of README.md and LICENSE, see replaced-url
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1955 [20:09:52] <bitblit> is there a way to enable a firewall on a fresh install without apt-get'ing ufw or something else?
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1957 [20:10:09] <somiaj> bitblit: you can use nftables directly (iptables replacement)
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1960 [20:12:09] <bitblit> somiaj: thx, not sure i have the expertise but will take a look. usually just enable ufw and call it a day :)
1961 [20:12:46] <somiaj> Then install ufw and use it as a front end. Debian provides no firewall by default, use the tool you want. ufw just won't be installed unless you ask to install it
1962 [20:13:08] <somiaj> but if you want to make a firewall with just basic stuff that is already installed, you need to use iptables/nftables directly
1963 [20:13:15] <bitblit> maybe a better question is how to install ufw or any package, without an internet connection
1964 [20:13:41] <somiaj> you can manually download the .deb (and its dependencies) And copy it over, then install with dpkg
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1967 [20:14:07] <bitblit> that sounds like what i'm trying to do, thx
1968 [20:14:08] <somiaj> you could use packages.debian.org, though this is usually not suggested as you bypass the apt security measures and better make sure you trust the packages.
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1971 [20:17:01] <somiaj> tinfoil-hat: seems werid that you have to edit the .cgi file to do that, I don't know git web, but your approach seems very unstandard to software i'm use to using.
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1980 [20:20:18] <tinfoil-hat> somiaj: dunno there was a solution I saw about git post hooks, but that I couldn't get to work
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1985 [20:20:50] <somiaj> that seems more reasonable, use user hooks for stuff like, though i'm surprised that this couldn't be configured in the config file.
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1988 [20:21:13] <somiaj> I think you are approaching thigns wrong, or gitweb is software that needs improvement if your approach is the accepted method
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1991 [20:21:31] <somiaj> but on debian don't ever edit stuff in /usr, it will get overwritten with the next upgrade
1992 [20:21:38] <tinfoil-hat> somiaj: I archived the custom gitweb.cgi and gitweb.css in a git repo, which definetly doesn't get touched by an update, I just had a short wtf moment when I realized the config files had changed
1993 [20:22:28] <tinfoil-hat> I don't want to make a big deal out of it, I just tought that I am not the only one having customized it and others should know
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1995 [20:24:29] <somiaj> well still seems weird to me, and unless this is the accepted approach by gitweb (I really hope not), other users probably aren't customizeing this way.
1996 [20:25:08] <tinfoil-hat> dunno
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2000 [20:26:48] <trek00> tinfoil-hat: may be you can add your CSS to gitweb.conf? push @stylesheets, "gitweb-site.css";
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2002 [20:27:07] <somiaj> that is what the manpage I pointed tinfoil-hat says to do
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2006 [20:27:48] <tinfoil-hat> gentoo for example tweaked the sh** out of gitweb: replaced-url
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2008 [20:28:11] <tinfoil-hat> trek00: yeah, you're right
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2012 [20:28:41] <tinfoil-hat> trek00: sadly the gitweb.cgi can't be put into another place
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2021 [20:29:46] <trek00> tinfoil-hat: you can symlink it to another place
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2025 [20:30:12] <somiaj> I would look into using hooks, that seems more porper.
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2035 [20:31:35] <oxek> I installed debian with xfce, opened up File Manager and... there's no search option? What tool do I search with (not from commandline)?
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2037 [20:32:09] <tinfoil-hat> somiaj: thank you
2038 [20:32:09] <tinfoil-hat> trek00: thanks also
2039 [20:32:13] <trek00> somiaj: probably i should read all the conversation?
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2041 [20:32:58] <somiaj> trek00: if you know gitweb, I can leave it to. Basic idea is tinfoil-hat is editing files in /usr for gitweb (the .css file and the .cgi file -- though editing a cgi file seems strange to me), then an upgrade reverted the edits.
2042 [20:33:09] <machinehum> Is there a way to get this replaced-url
2043 [20:33:12] <somiaj> I'm just hoping there is a more proper way for user configurations vs editing the /usr/ files
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2045 [20:33:48] <trek00> somiaj: yeah editing the cgi file or anything under /usr is not the right thing :)
2046 [20:34:03] <machinehum> If the only way is to compile, is there a branch where I can look to see how that was compiled? Because I'm having some issues just downloading and cross compiling the source
2047 [20:34:32] <tinfoil-hat> trek00: I saw no other option to make gitweb render README and LICENSE in html: replaced-url
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2049 [20:35:19] <tinfoil-hat> trek00: changes I made are here: replaced-url
2050 [20:35:38] <trek00> tinfoil-hat: i guess $site_footer doesn't work?
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2055 [20:37:08] <tinfoil-hat> trek00: tbh. I didn't look too much into it
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2059 [20:39:10] <trek00> tinfoil-hat: it should let you to include and html file, but may be it can't be different for each repository
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2062 [20:41:09] <tinfoil-hat> I have fixed it already by restoring the backup, even with the upgraded gitweb. I just wondered that the files were replaced in the first place without a warning
2063 [20:41:51] <somiaj> as I said, dpkg controls all files in /usr, it will replace them without a wanring otherwise you will have noise. An upgrade replaces all files owned by a package in /usr each and everytime.
2064 [20:42:09] <trek00> tinfoil-hat: it asks to you only for configuration files, not other things that is not expected to be changed
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2066 [20:42:23] <tinfoil-hat> trek00: okay, thanks
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2071 [20:44:14] <Acheron> ahh, someone in TN just joined!
2072 [20:44:27] <Acheron> Kingsport, TN here
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2078 [20:45:02] <lwp> there ain't no place I rather be
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2082 [20:48:03] <trek00> tinfoil-hat: check this, may be it helps replaced-url
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2091 [20:57:14] <tinfoil-hat> trek00: ty
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2098 [21:06:46] <user217_> Can I install neon-desktop in debian?
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2105 [21:11:03] <Kobaz> any tips on how to install hplip without also pulling in systemd?
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2109 [21:14:23] <diogenes_> Kobaz, to modify the control?
2110 [21:14:32] <Kobaz> to setup/install printer drivers
2111 [21:14:48] <metbsd> tring to install debian to laptop but it can't even install network driver
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2113 [21:14:55] <Kobaz> replaced-url
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2118 [21:16:03] <Kobaz> why is a printer driver trying to switch my init system
2119 [21:16:35] <Kobaz> i reported this as a bug about a year ago, i wonder what the status is on that
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2123 [21:18:13] <lwp> metbsd, what happens with the network. is there an error message ? what is the symptom of can't install ?
2124 [21:19:11] <metbsd> says it needs 3rd party firmware. but it keeps coming back
2125 [21:19:18] <trek00> Kobaz: i can install it without pulling systemd, you should check which depencencies are begin pulled
2126 [21:19:49] <Kobaz> hmm
2127 [21:19:52] <Kobaz> debian/testing also
2128 [21:19:58] <lwp> metbsd, what source are you using for this install ?
2129 [21:20:19] <trek00> Kobaz: something strange happened, it want to install pidgin for hplip?
2130 [21:20:23] <metbsd> the xfce4 cd
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2132 [21:20:42] <metbsd> debian-10.3.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1
2133 [21:20:58] <metbsd> it's 2nd gen i7 laptop
2134 [21:21:03] <metbsd> not sure if it'll work
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2136 [21:21:44] <trek00> Kobaz: probaly it is colord
2137 [21:21:54] <Kobaz> ah
2138 [21:21:57] <trek00> Kobaz: that needs dconf-gsettings-backend | gsettings-backend
2139 [21:22:39] <trek00> Kobaz: try apt-get install dbus-x11 hplip
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2141 [21:22:57] <lwp> metbsd, if you need firmware, you probably should use one of the firmware images. are you using a "live" image or an installer
2142 [21:23:41] <trek00> Kobaz: or you can apt install gconf-service hplip
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2144 [21:24:02] <trek00> Kobaz: the problem is that gsettings-backend
2145 [21:24:05] <Kobaz> ah
2146 [21:24:39] <trek00> Kobaz: you could also try apt install --no-install-recommends hplip
2147 [21:24:44] <metbsd> i think it;s installer lwp
2148 [21:24:47] <trek00> Kobaz: to get rid of colord
2149 [21:25:38] <lwp> metbsd, I suggest this one: replaced-url
2150 [21:27:17] <lwp> metbsd, also suggest having this installation guide available, to help guide you: replaced-url
2151 [21:27:40] <trek00> Kobaz: ask if you need more help to fight systemd, i'm willing to help
2152 [21:27:47] <Kobaz> yay cool
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2154 [21:28:07] <gvth> Hi; I need a little help... My mother's laptop does not boot Windows 10 anymore so I booted up a Live Debian 10 usb-stick on her machine. Now she urgently needs to access firefox' site login information with passwords. The hard disk drive is still intact and mounted. I read on the Mozilla support site that the data are stored in the files key4.db and logins.json. Any idea on how to obtain the data from the
2155 [21:28:13] <gvth> files?
2156 [21:28:24] <Kobaz> i tried apt-get install dbus-x11 hplip. but it stil wanted systemd... so what i wound up doing was letting it install, and then apt-get remove'd it
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2159 [21:29:16] <trek00> Kobaz: try the commands i wrote but adding -s after install, so it will not install anything, just show
2160 [21:30:23] <trek00> gvth: you could try to create a new firefox profile, than exit from firefox, copy those files on the new profile directory and start again firefox to see if they get loaded
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2167 [21:36:57] <trek00> Kobaz: the last command should be better: apt install -s --no-install-recommends hplip
2168 [21:37:47] <gvth> trek00: thanks a bunch, this worked :-)
2169 [21:38:00] <trek00> good :)
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2176 [21:45:10] <Kobaz> aaand i tried kill -9'ing some systemd stuff i didn't need, and then my xorg went poof
2177 [21:45:23] <greycat> !kill -9
2178 [21:45:23] * dpkg mangles -9 with a large trout
2179 [21:45:34] <greycat> !kill-9
2180 [21:45:34] <dpkg> Do not use kill -9 unless you have to, because using it will keep the process from cleaning up temp files, closing sockets, informing its children about its death and other nasty things. use "kill -15 <PID>" or "kill -2 <PID>" instead. If you didn't write the code, you probably don't want to use kill -9.
2181 [21:45:46] <Kobaz> right of course
2182 [21:45:52] <Kobaz> unless you want to kill it dead
2183 [21:46:01] <greycat> *plonk*
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2187 [21:47:12] <trek00> Kobaz: installing systemd is not so simple to unwind
2188 [21:47:30] <Kobaz> right
2189 [21:47:32] <Kobaz> i'm aware
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2191 [21:47:42] <Kobaz> well, it's gone now
2192 [21:47:59] <trek00> may be you need a reboot to be sure
2193 [21:48:10] <Kobaz> well yeah, i rebooted anyway since i had a new kernel ready to go
2194 [21:48:18] <trek00> ok :)
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2196 [21:49:26] <trek00> Kobaz: you got hplip installed too?
2197 [21:49:32] <Kobaz> yup
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2199 [21:49:54] <trek00> good! :)
2200 [21:50:20] <trek00> now you can enjoy your systemd-free system :D
2201 [21:50:23] <Kobaz> yay
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2250 [22:28:46] <f8e4> how to pipe pid TO KILL?
2251 [22:28:53] <f8e4> pgrep -f log_receiver | kill -s SIGABRT - ?
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2255 [22:29:02] <greycat> man pkill
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2260 [22:30:25] <f8e4> pkill -signal SIGABRT log_receiver ?
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2262 [22:30:45] <f8e4> has: pkill: invalid session id: ignal
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2264 [22:31:59] <f8e4> can you please help me
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2266 [22:32:16] <greycat> I guess you got the answer to your question: "no"
2267 [22:32:29] <f8e4> anyone got more info guys?
2268 [22:32:29] <trek00> f8e4: kill -s SIGABRT $(pgrep -f log_receiver)
2269 [22:32:47] <f8e4> trek00 thank you, awesome
2270 [22:32:59] <greycat> .. what
2271 [22:33:09] <greycat> why are you calling TWO separate programs
2272 [22:33:43] <greycat> what's wrong with pkill --signal ABRT -f log_receiver
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2275 [22:34:05] <ratrace> pgrep can also send signals
2276 [22:35:10] <ratrace> wait, no, it needs to be called as "pkill" ... it's a symlink to pgrep
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2282 [22:39:33] <metbsd> i got it installed but can't figure out how to load 3rd party firmwware
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2285 [22:40:27] <metbsd> is there way i can get them on usb and load them?
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2288 [22:42:40] <trek00> metbsd: for get them on usb you mean on the installer?
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2290 [22:43:03] <metbsd> whatever works
2291 [22:43:14] <metbsd> now i end up with a complete gui system without loading firmware
2292 [22:43:29] <metbsd> so i have no network
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2294 [22:43:43] <metbsd> it's rtl_nic
2295 [22:43:54] <trek00> metbsd: if you have installed the right firmware package, you just need to reboot
2296 [22:44:50] <metbsd> i don't have it install
2297 [22:44:55] <metbsd> i don't even know what to install
2298 [22:45:02] <metbsd> i have no network at all
2299 [22:45:05] <metbsd> can't install anything
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2301 [22:45:18] <metbsd> so i try to copy something to usb drive and install it from usb drive?
2302 [22:45:26] <metbsd> but i don't know what i should copy
2303 [22:45:40] <trek00> the .deb file
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2305 [22:46:55] <trek00> firmware-realtek-*.deb
2306 [22:48:37] <metbsd> where to get it
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2308 [22:48:51] <trek00> metbsd: which version of debian you have?
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2311 [22:49:19] <metbsd> 10.0.3
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2313 [22:49:21] <greycat> replaced-url
2314 [22:49:25] <dvs> metbsd, replaced-url
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2316 [22:49:57] <metbsd> it's bulleye?
2317 [22:50:02] <greycat> No. buster.
2318 [22:50:03] <dvs> no
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2320 [22:50:16] <trek00> metbsd: no, check the link posted by dvs
2321 [22:50:20] <greycat> dvs's URL is two clicks ahead of mine
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2325 [22:53:07] <metbsd> ok
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2350 [23:15:04] <metbsd> just can't get network to work
2351 [23:15:07] <metbsd> firmware is loaded
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2353 [23:15:52] <dvs> metbsd, did you reboot
2354 [23:16:18] <metbsd> yes couple time
2355 [23:16:29] <metbsd> looks like it's ignoring setup
2356 [23:16:38] <dvs> where is your setup?
2357 [23:17:11] <metbsd> i use /etc/systemd/network/dhcp.network
2358 [23:17:22] <metbsd> it's the modern way?
2359 [23:17:29] <dvs> Oh, I have no idea about that.
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2361 [23:17:50] <metbsd> dhclient -r and then dhclient eno1
2362 [23:17:55] <metbsd> nothing
2363 [23:18:14] <trek00> metbsd: this shows your network card? ifconfig -a
2364 [23:18:51] <metbsd> wait ,it works
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2366 [23:19:18] <dvs> ???
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2368 [23:19:23] <dvs> What changed?
2369 [23:19:24] <d1g1ta1> How does one fix error "No module named pip" trying to run "python3 -m pip install... (running Python 2.7 and installed pip using sudo python2.7 get-pip.py)?
2370 [23:19:35] <metbsd> something wrong with my power line ethernet
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2372 [23:19:42] <machinehum> If I have a process that's overwriting a line in it's terminal output, this gets really messed up if I pipe it into a file, is there a way to get the "final" display into a file
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2374 [23:20:34] <greycat> Any answer would be a hack specific to THIS program's output.
2375 [23:20:38] <metbsd> no it doesn't work
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2378 [23:20:46] <metbsd> sorry that was my ip
2379 [23:21:03] <greycat> There are many different ways a program can choose to overwrite previous terminal output, from carriage returns to backspaces to direct X,Y cursor positioning.
2380 [23:21:37] <greycat> You'd need to capture the offending output in a file and analyze it to see which method it's using, and how to work around it.
2381 [23:23:26] <machinehum> Okay
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2387 [23:24:08] <trek00> metbsd: it's working now?
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2391 [23:25:44] <trek00> d1g1ta1: may be this help?replaced-url
2392 [23:26:20] <greycat> does it say "apt-get install python3-pip"?
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2396 [23:27:59] <d1g1ta1> graycat: it does not say how to install pip at all
2397 [23:28:22] <greycat> the article named "how-to-install-pip-on-debian-10" does not say how to install pip
2398 [23:28:26] <greycat> really?
2399 [23:29:01] <greycat> ,info python3-pip
2400 [23:29:02] <judd> Package python3-pip (python, optional) in buster/amd64: Python package installer. Version: 18.1-5; Size: 166.8k; Installed: 690k; Homepage: replaced-url
2401 [23:29:57] <d1g1ta1> no, the artcle that led to the error
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2406 [23:33:20] <d1g1ta1> greycat: that worked, than you!
2407 [23:33:24] <d1g1ta1> thank
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2410 [23:34:09] <jmcnaught> d1g1ta1: a word of advice, don't run pip as root (or with sudo)
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2412 [23:34:38] <d1g1ta1> now u tell me. what happens?
2413 [23:35:52] <d1g1ta1> jmcnaught: i actually didnt, but what if i had
2414 [23:36:17] <trek00> d1g1ta1: you will break your python installation
2415 [23:36:41] <jmcnaught> d1g1ta1: pip isn't the same as apt-get. Debian packages are only uploaded by trusted users and are vetted by others. Anyone can upload python modules, nobody is checking them.
2416 [23:36:46] <greycat> I think the advice is intended to be, "Don't install things system-wide (as root) with CPAN, PIP and similar language-specific packagers. Use a virtual env, or private-$HOME install."
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2418 [23:36:51] <annadane> run it as root if inside virtualenv's in "approved" locations for system-wide like /usr/local, but yeah, otherwise, make sure not to overwrite your system's python
2419 [23:37:04] <jmcnaught> yeah ^^
2420 [23:37:18] <annadane> ,i python3-venv
2421 [23:37:20] <judd> Package python3-venv (python, optional) in buster/amd64: pyvenv-3 binary for python3 (default python3 version). Version: 3.7.3-1; Size: 1.2k; Installed: 11k; Homepage: replaced-url
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2427 [23:41:02] <d1g1ta1> Good advice. Much appreciated.
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