57[00:24:40] <sney> carlino3: for instance, here's the changelog for the kernel on the stretch system you're using right now. ctrl+f for CVE replaced-url
75[00:30:39] <tharkun> sney: Thanks, since there are a lot of relationships between the different objects (if you can call them that), I was expecting something more ¿"advanced"?
222[03:38:48] <Henry151> hey folks. I am trying to make a debian live usb thumbdrive system for my dad to use with his macbook, and my little brother to use with his lenovo flex 11. I so far have it working great on the lenovo, except the mouse touchpad doesn't work. I don't have the macbook in hand at the moment, but when we tried it earlier, he had no wifi. I had him send me a screenshot of his wifi card information to help me
223[03:38:54] <Henry151> figure it out, replaced-url
224[03:39:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1343
225[03:39:46] <sney> !b43
226[03:39:47] <dpkg> b43 is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. replaced-url
227[03:39:51] <Henry151> so anyway, I *do* have the lenovo flex 11 in hand, and i'm trying to figure out what I need to get to make the mouse work. I plugged in a USB wireless keyboard and mouse set for the moment and that worked out-of-the-box.
229[03:40:51] <Henry151> sney: awesome! Thanks, I should be able to get that one going. I had a laptop once that had broadcom network hardware and so i've been through that one before (though never with a macbook, so maybe some unforseen challenges in my future)
231[03:41:01] <sney> most laptop touchpads are just mouse devices, when one isn't that spells trouble
232[03:41:34] <Henry151> to be honest, I came here *first*, I haven't even googled "lenovo flex 11 touchpad linux" or anything at all, yet.
233[03:42:31] <Henry151> sney: ah, additionally, the lenovo flex 11 is a touchscreen/convertible device, and the touchscreen isn't working either, i would love to figure that out just for fun.
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235[03:43:01] <Henry151> but maybe that has something to do with why it would have a different-than-normal touchpad?
236[03:43:06] <sney> same deal, usually a touchscreen is also a mouse as far as the OS is concerned.
254[04:00:24] <Henry151> i also get a "mmc1 unknown controller version" "you may experience problems" message or something like that when booting up the lenovo
358[05:35:12] <sgo11> Is this command correct? "sudo debootstrap --arch=amd64 wheezy /debootstrap/wheezy/ replaced-url
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360[05:36:53] <somiaj> !archive
361[05:36:53] <dpkg> from memory, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see replaced-url
362[05:37:25] <somiaj> sgo11: I think the debian-archive is the problem
363[05:37:28] <somiaj> !wheezy sources.list
364[05:37:28] <dpkg> Debian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has one line: «deb replaced-url
378[05:54:46] <sgo11> somiaj: thank you very much for you reply. what can I do to use it with debootstrap? I am new to debootstrap too. I just want to run wheezy to compile something. thanks.
404[06:11:53] <sgo11> ^_^ cool. thanks a lot for the help. I just didn't understand at the beginning. I am running with the new URL, with my slow network, I guess it will be a long time.
405[06:12:36] <somiaj> it has to downlaod maybe 500megs of stuff
434[06:44:58] <ViperXL75> So you find yourself sitting in front of your monitor and staring at a service that's running mysteriously, but u have no clue how it started. :P
435[06:45:33] <somiaj> many services are started by hooks
436[06:45:42] <BazookaTooth> ViperXL75: not when some distros enable services as soon as you install them
455[06:51:59] <somiaj> ViperXL75: that is not the command I asekd for. YOu aren't using systemctl correctly. You have to do 'systemctl command service' but you are doing systmctl service command -- that of course fails
463[06:56:11] <somiaj> sgo11: I just ran a test and got the same issue, seems something is wrong with the wheezy binaries that you cannot run a wheezy chroot from buster (might be too old)
464[06:56:19] <somiaj> sgo11: in this case you are gonna ahve to fire up a vm
465[06:57:14] <sgo11> somiaj: ok... after all, i have to use a vm.. thanks a lot for your help.
467[06:59:05] <somiaj> okay the issue is bash in wheezy is having a segmetation fault, but if I use dash it works.
468[06:59:41] <sgo11> any easier vm system than vagrant+virtualbox?
469[06:59:45] <somiaj> so for me I got the same error you did, the system is mostly there, you can chroot with dash, might have to use a limited shell to use the chroot. I don't know enough to figure out why bash in wheezy is having a segfault on buster
471[07:00:12] <somiaj> virtualbox is probably the easiest for most people but not in debian. I use qemu-kvm with libvirt, I prefer virsh, but virt-manager is a gui front end to libvirt
478[07:02:25] <somiaj> Seems in kernels 4.10 and later an option was used that breaks glibc < 2.14 (which is what wheezy uses). But you can revert this change by booting with 'vsyscall=emulate'
480[07:03:12] <somiaj> so if you boot your kernel with the 'vsyscall=emulate' option, you should be able to run glibc < 2.14 on your modern kernel and then be able to use a wheezy chroot.
481[07:03:24] <somiaj> depending on your use case, a vm might be the best call so you are using a wheezy kernel
482[07:03:35] <somiaj> here is the bug report I found, replaced-url
484[07:04:44] <sgo11> somiaj: thanks. will add 'vsyscall=emulate' affect anything in the future? should I remove it after I complete the task?
485[07:05:27] <somiaj> I don't know enough to know what LEGACY_VSYSCALL_NONE vs LEGACY_VSYCALL_EMULATE is, I think it was removed because in most cases it isn't needed to run older glibc
486[07:05:44] <somiaj> I don't know if it will cause any other issues, here is the bug which is why it was changed
490[07:06:26] <somiaj> seems there are some links there about it 'weakens the kernel', exactly how I woudln't know, so probably best to remove it once your are done, or just use a vm
491[07:07:17] <somiaj> someone in the bug report said 'minor weakness', so totally up to you what you think is the best solution to this issue
492[07:08:20] <sgo11> I think I will just use a vm. I only have experience with virtualbox. But my current machine hasn't install any vm tools yet. I am googling libvirt as you recommended.
493[07:10:24] <somiaj> you can install qemu-kvm and virt-manager from debian repos. For virtualbox, you need to go upsteam (though I think they have a reasonablly good repor and .deb packages for it)
494[07:10:38] <somiaj> We just cannot support issues with virtualbox here, though many use it just fine in debian.
496[07:11:42] <somiaj> I say use the one you are most familar with. I am glad I swtiched to libvirt/qemu-kvm as it is native in the linux kernel and doesn't have oracle's fingers on it. though that being said, personal preference, nothing wrong with virtualbox (often the biggest hurdel will be ensuring you can build the virtualbox module since it isn't native to the kernle)
508[07:16:27] <somiaj> ViperXL75: wayland has been in debian as a technology preview for a few releases. Buster is the first release that gnome uses it by default. Other de's don't use it
509[07:17:02] <somiaj> you can choose the old xorg session for gnome if you don't want to use waylend (some apps just don't work in it, but all gnome stuff should)
559[08:34:06] <Henry151> how to set up automatic login with no password? I actually set it up already, my question is how did i do it, so that i can un-do it
586[08:50:06] <Henry151> is this maybe something i set up when i originally created the thing and cannot change? the system is a live usb but it has good persistence, i can install programs, modify files, etc and it persists through
588[08:50:26] <somiaj> Henry151: usually this is done with the display manager, what display manager do you use?
589[08:50:31] <zazagx> hi
590[08:50:40] <Henry151> i think it's lightdm? i can check
591[08:50:59] <somiaj> oh it is a live system, live systems autoloing by default, unsure how live systems do this, but autologins are most commonly done by a display manager
592[08:51:20] <Henry151> ah! ok!
593[08:51:55] <Henry151> i'm feeling like i'm moving in the right direction here. So it's not something I explicitly "set up" it's just default behavior for debian live systems.
594[08:52:08] <Henry151> Any known way to disable it?
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624[09:30:27] <nvz> Henry151: first you gotta figure out whats doing it
625[09:30:31] <nvz> dpkg, which dm?
626[09:30:32] <dpkg> To figure out which Display Manager you are using, open a terminal and type the following command: `systemctl status display-manager` see also <which de> and <which x>.
634[09:34:03] <nvz> on the mirrors these are aliased.. but they're not releases
635[09:34:57] <kreyren> nvz, so trying buster? assuming that this environment has stable, testing and sid sources in sources.list where it's expected to use stable unless others are called on demand
636[09:35:15] <kreyren> where it's currently using testing/sid on apt upgrade
637[09:36:07] <nvz> idk.. but you can't really go backwards
690[10:20:53] <laughingtiger> hi, I'm unable to install virtualbox on debian 10, I did installed kvm, but with windows10 as guest OS, the graphic is too slow. virtualbox tells me to run vbox-config but it repeatedly asks root password for 6 times or so, then stuck at building kernel module.
691[10:21:46] <nvz> you'll need kernel headers installed for that
692[10:22:21] <nvz> I had no issues with virtualbox, I just fetched it from their website, works fine for me
693[10:22:26] <laughingtiger> nvz, but it's installed
698[10:23:42] <ksk> Do you have a log or so? If I remember correctly, the install/"give password dialog" spawns a shell?
699[10:24:12] <laughingtiger> ksk, idk which log file to check even.
700[10:24:39] <ksk> the shell spawned by the installer containing the details of a failed "kernel module build" for starters :)
701[10:25:00] <laughingtiger> and vmware gives error "could not open /dev/vmmon:no such file or directory.please make sure that the kernel module vmmon is loaded"
702[10:25:09] <ksk> one problem at a time, please.
703[10:25:31] <laughingtiger> then "failed to initialize monitor device"
704[10:25:42] <ksk> Be aware that both vmware and Virtualbox are third party software, and not part of debian btw..
705[10:26:20] <laughingtiger> ksk, I know that, can reinstall debian solve this problem?
706[10:26:31] <ksk> Do you plan on running 3D-accelerated stuff inside the VM? I dont think that this would work in vmware/virtualbox.
707[10:26:39] <laughingtiger> looks like sth serious is wrong
708[10:26:53] <ksk> laughingtiger: we dont really have any details regarding this problem still..
715[10:28:19] <ksk> If you did not break it before, it wont change anything.
716[10:28:38] <laughingtiger> ksk, like when moving the mouse it isn't smooth.
717[10:28:43] <ksk> And you in general do not break anything, if you stay away from invoking a root-shell and doing things you do not understand.
718[10:29:16] <laughingtiger> ksk, this system has been running for too long, I can't even remember what have I done to it.
719[10:29:57] <ksk> the problem you have in kvm is "missing 2d acceleration" - I would assume its a known thing and you would find how to get it on the webs.
720[10:30:22] <ksk> I would maybe suggest going that road, but there is nothing wrong with Virtalbox et al. per se.
721[10:30:28] <laughingtiger> ksk, I didn't know that. let me give that a try.
722[10:30:39] <laughingtiger> ksk, thank you for that.
723[10:30:51] <laughingtiger> if that works, I don't need virtualbox then.
724[10:30:57] <ksk> like, in virtualbox its a checkbox in the settings "enable 2d acceleration" and that afaik also works if you use the kvm hypervisor in virtualbox, so..
729[10:32:45] <no_signal> "missing 2d acceleration" message might be resolved by installing virtualbox tools thing (forgot how it's called) on the guest
730[10:33:13] <no_signal> "addon" something
731[10:33:22] <laughingtiger> ksk, yeah, thank you. I'll find it.
732[10:33:32] <ksk> no_signal: he is running (plain?) kvm.
746[10:37:35] <judd> No package named 'amavis' was found in buster/amd64.
747[10:37:56] <ksk> ,info amavisd-new
748[10:37:58] <judd> Package amavisd-new (mail, optional) in buster/amd64: Interface between MTA and virus scanner/content filters. Version: 1:2.11.0-6.1; Size: 926.0k; Installed: 2725k; Homepage: replaced-url
749[10:38:25] <ksk> thms: I would assume its a relict of the days before we had journald, and syslog was the default logging-target for daemons in debian.
750[10:38:27] <thms> It's not the buster package tho. An old version, don't know if latest version still does that.
751[10:38:40] <ksk> ah okay, that would be something to check-out then :)
777[10:48:58] <ksk> (if it is not the correct drive, you will destroy your data, be careful)
778[10:49:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1368
779[10:49:01] <thms> ksk: I unmasked systemd-logind but do not get the error anymore. I'll have to learn more about systemd tho. :) Thank you for ur input!
780[10:49:11] <ksk> thms: welcome.
781[10:49:12] <riverr> I have script which runs one command every 10 seconds as root. Auth log is getting spammed with those sudo logs, is there something I could do about this?
782[10:49:25] <ksk> riverr: ignore it :)
783[10:49:50] <riverr> ksk, sure but its so frequent so I thought it would be good to disable it
784[10:49:59] <ksk> give it a week, take a look then at how much diskspace is taken by all the aut.logs - it wont be too much :)
785[10:50:00] <riverr> I wanted to ran the script as root but it doesnt suit my purposes
786[10:50:25] <riverr> also inspecting auth log becomes harder when there is same log every 1s
789[10:50:56] <ksk> if you call sudo this gets logged, I dont know of a configurable workaround (or that this would be a wise design-choice - after all you -do- want to know if someone used sudo)
840[11:02:25] <ksk> reading the webs it might be you can tweak pam to not log user elevation. But thats pretty deep in-system changes and the field may not be trivial.
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853[11:12:38] <riverr> ksk, looks like there is 3 logs logged to auth log when I do the sudo iptables command, root session open, root session closed then the one which has the command
854[11:12:54] <riverr> the command log can be disabled with that stackoverflow thing i posted but there is still all those root auths
855[11:12:56] <riverr> logged
856[11:13:06] <ksk> kk.
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903[11:59:21] <duso> Evening, I am having a wierd issue with the debian netinst iso. It will only boot in mbr legacy mode. I wrote arch linux iso to the same usb, booting in the same computer, and it EFI boots. What am I doing wrong?
904[12:00:08] <duso> I have tried creating the USB with both dd and just cp the file to /dev/sdb
935[12:23:12] <duso> vlt: thanks for trying, sometimes when you've been bashing your head against the keyboard for too long it helps to just hash out options. IRC is good for that
936[12:23:14] <VinPop> hey how do i know what my CPU infrastructure is?
945[12:23:49] <nvz> VinPop: what kind of machine is it?
946[12:23:56] <VinPop> Desktop
947[12:24:00] <nvz> its amd64
948[12:24:05] <nvz> or its not supported
949[12:24:05] <VinPop> Thanks
950[12:24:34] <nvz> chances you have some s390, sparc or something and dont know it are slim
951[12:24:35] <VinPop> Intel Core i5 if it helps
952[12:24:41] <nvz> yes, thats amd64
953[12:25:05] <VinPop> alright thanks and one more thing
954[12:25:10] <VinPop> Debian is just Debian right?
955[12:25:17] <VinPop> it doesn't have any flavors or anything
956[12:25:21] <VinPop> it installs as base
957[12:25:49] <nvz> yes and the installer has tasksel with various tasks of additional packages you can select
958[12:26:09] <nvz> which include additional standard system utils, 7 different desktop environments, etc
959[12:26:19] <nvz> !buster
960[12:26:19] <dpkg> Buster is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 10, released 2019-07-06. "Buster" is Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story, see replaced-url
961[12:26:22] <nvz> erm
962[12:26:23] <VinPop> which one is the most minimal and customizable
963[12:26:36] <nvz> can't even remember my own factoid
964[12:26:49] <duso> there are different flavors of live cd's that you can also install from
965[12:26:55] <nvz> !de usage
966[12:26:56] <dpkg> i guess de usage is The HDD/RAM of the 7 DE on Stretch: GNOME 4.2G 726M, KDE 4.1G 604M, Cinnamon 3.7G 482M, MATE 3.1G 215M, LXQt 3.1G 184M, LXDE 3.0G 180M, XFCE 2.9G 226M. For Buster usage, package lists, and screenshots of the same see replaced-url
967[12:27:25] <nvz> VinPop: there are size usages, screenshots and package lists on my site there replaced-url
968[12:27:43] <nvz> VinPop: I personally would recommend MATE, Cinnamon, or XFCE
969[12:28:00] <BazookaTooth> mate beat xfce on ram? since when?
988[12:32:43] <nvz> well I been here using and supporting debian since like 2002.. and its because of these
989[12:32:46] <nvz> !why debian
990[12:32:47] <dpkg> Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also replaced-url
991[12:32:51] <nvz> !social contract
992[12:32:51] <dpkg> The Debian Social Contract is the document that defines Debian's purpose, see replaced-url
993[12:33:38] <nvz> all linux distributions are the same for the most part.. the communities and their priorities are what matter
994[12:34:08] <nvz> the sooner potential linux users realize that and find a community that has similar goals to their own, the happier everyone will be
1000[12:38:09] <nvz> though I also don't believe you need to have sex with everyone on the planet or at least all the ones you meet to try come across one that just magically suits you.. and its kinda the same thing as people do when they hear of linux and realize there is more than one distribution
1001[12:38:35] <BazookaTooth> "well it's based on..."
1002[12:38:37] <nvz> its like a boy realizing after that first time.. wait.. there are more of these-- EVERYONE HAS ONE? :P
1051[13:00:30] <nvz> ice9: ldconfig is provided by libc-bin and should be installed an in /sbin/ and start-stop-daemon is provided by dpkg and should also be in /sbin/
1052[13:00:42] <nvz> as for what is wrong with packages on some random 3rd party repo I have no idea
1070[13:06:11] <duso> vlt: I just downloaded the latest testing netins image and cp /dev/sdb and again it does not detect it in EFI mode, only legacy bios boot. Other distro's work fine. I wonder if it is something to do with this hybrid image thing
1073[13:07:19] <EdePopede> sure you ran dpkg as root?
1074[13:07:24] <duso> vlt: I will try poking around in my bios settings again, but if other distro's can boot into EFI mode with unchanged settings, why should debian be different?
1075[13:07:40] <ice9> EdePopede, yes, basically i was running "apt install nodejs"
1118[13:23:03] <EdePopede> i suppose it is still in its original state?
1119[13:23:08] <ws2k3> i use ssh-server basicly as an sftp server. now i would like to log all actions users do. what would be a good way to acchieve this. im reading here i can change LogLevel to DEBUG. but i was just wondering if there is another/better way
1234[13:58:02] <ayekat> VinPop: installing programs on Debian (or any Linux distro) is done through a package manager, not by downloading random stuff from the Web
1235[13:58:03] <VinPop> Cordless is just a Discord TUI
1236[13:58:12] <nvz> @.@
1237[13:58:14] <ayekat> ah right, I was wrong :-X
1238[13:58:33] <nvz> something tells me you ignored my spiel earlier and you don't belong here :P
1239[13:58:33] <BazookaTooth> eh
1240[13:59:07] <nvz> but if you wanna do things the hard way, we can help you with Debian stuff.. which Cordless/Discord is definately not
1241[13:59:07] <BazookaTooth> install synaptic and search
1242[13:59:23] <nvz> VinPop: do you have a wired connection available?
1243[13:59:38] <BazookaTooth> aptitude-ui or whatever if you are brave
1244[13:59:45] <VinPop> yeah i just need to set it up
1245[13:59:53] <VinPop> connect the router to the PC
1246[14:00:17] <nvz> VinPop: I'd advise doing so for a few minutes.. as otherwise you are going ot have to learn wpa_supplicant which is not real easy to use
1247[14:00:33] <VinPop> alright
1248[14:00:43] <nvz> VinPop: connecting to wifi from a base install is not very easy.. if you can wire to install some more stuff that'd be easier on you
1249[14:01:35] <VinPop> Okay i'm gonna do that business with the router at night because everyone needs the internet rn
1250[14:01:38] <nvz> VinPop: I'd recommend you install screen, irssi, links2, network-manager, sudo just to get you working while you decide what desktop/browser and stuff you want
1251[14:01:55] <VinPop> thanks i really appreciate your help
1252[14:01:58] <nvz> VinPop: well we can get you online with wifi
1253[14:02:09] <nvz> but its not the most user-friendly thing in the world :D
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1255[14:02:16] <nvz> would've been easier to do in the installer
1256[14:02:16] <VinPop> that's okay
1257[14:02:25] <VinPop> i still have the install USB
1306[14:13:59] <nvz> I prefer MATE of the 7 DE personally.. its very usable and configurable.. XFCE and Cinnamon would be my prefrence above the rest :P
1307[14:14:18] <VinPop> yeah from what i saw Cinnamon looks very very nice
1308[14:14:42] <nvz> yeah and its very similar in use and shares config/themes and such with MATE and GNOME
1309[14:15:05] <dvs> VinPop, I'd use firmware-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso to install the base and specify the desktop environment you want afterwards.
1310[14:15:06] <VinPop> that's really cool
1311[14:15:33] <VinPop> alright it's almost finished downloading
1312[14:15:38] <nvz> it also has a default config that'd be more familiar for windows users
1319[14:17:31] <nvz> VinPop: well the text stuff isnt usually that daunting but the BASE debian doesn't come with much.. its a bare minimum.. and what you have to work with can be cumbersome
1320[14:17:47] <VinPop> yeah it's like they just give you flour
1321[14:17:51] <VinPop> not even all the ingredients
1322[14:17:55] <VinPop> and tell you to make a cake
1323[14:18:00] <BazookaTooth> kinda the point
1324[14:18:10] <nvz> some of the text programs are a lot nicer than the alternatives I use a lot of them regularly.. like irssi for irc, pianobar for pandora, mps-youtube for youtube..
1325[14:18:31] <BazookaTooth> otherwise you end up with an extra 200 packages you don't do anything with but always get updated unless you prune them out
1326[14:18:48] <nvz> which is why I dont recommend using live to install.. too much cruft
1463[15:44:33] <BazookaTooth> why expect nothing to ever change?
1464[15:44:34] <ZAJDAN> why fresh install doesnt created PATH
1465[15:44:41] <joepublic> dpkg, su
1466[15:44:41] <dpkg> extra, extra read all about it, su is switch/set user. It is used to change User ID's and/or gain super user access. Since Debian Buster, "su -" or "su -l" is needed to access programs located in /sbin (see <buster su>). It provides an root environment as if the superuser had logged in directly. See "man su".
1467[15:44:49] <nvz> !buster su
1468[15:44:49] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
1469[15:45:03] <ZAJDAN> omg omg
1470[15:45:17] <joepublic> hey, you asked.
1471[15:45:24] <ZAJDAN> the newer it is..the worst it is
1492[15:51:57] <nvz> I thought the change was rather stupid at first.. but a lot has been rather stupid for a long time.. they're actually trying to get it right.. the PATH shouldnt be set by changing user, it should be set by the user logging in.. unless you tell it to login when you change the user
1537[16:05:52] <BCMM> MYK-78: in a terminal emulator? or did the VT font change?
1538[16:06:00] <nvz> dondelelcaro: I have two questions, do you know how to get the bot to show more output when it displays only a few results? and have you restored an old backup recently?
1579[16:31:31] <miskatonic> screen -wipe removes dead sessions from screen -ls, but that may not be the desired effect of justthedoctor
1580[16:31:54] <JustTheDoctor> thanks miskatonic i used pkill screen and it did the trick
1581[16:32:26] <BCMM> rrttyy: you could try renaming your ~/.gimp-2.8 directory or ~/.config/GIMP/ directory (not sure which is the one it uses currently), in case there's something old in there
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1590[16:37:00] <BCMM> /tmp is sometimes placed on a RAM-based filesystem for performance reasons
1591[16:37:28] <nvz> well seperating /home makes data migration more straightforward.. seperating any of those you mentioned also easily prevents careless use of the system from filling up the rootfs and allows for you to reinstall the rootfs without formatting the other partitions and retain all data
1592[16:37:32] <Johann> Ooze: /tmp and /var can be filled pretty fast from logs and temporary files explosion (notably for web browser but it can be true for any system), so it's good to separate them to avoid breaking your system if it fills
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1595[16:39:08] <Johann> /home is the same, can be filled by user and you don't want that to make yur system unusable, plus it allows you to install a new system from scratch without wiping user's data
1599[16:41:48] <Ooze> Makes sense. I just screwed up my partition table last time trying to grow /home. I guess LVM should change that this time round tho
1600[16:41:48] <miskatonic> keeping /home can cause troubles, though. old config files in .config may be incompatible with upgraded versions
1614[16:44:56] <nvz> BadPractice: not yet, but I'm working on it
1615[16:45:09] <simplicius> nvz: yes but doesn't work
1616[16:45:21] <BadPractice> i just installed a debian stable on my Lenovo T480 and do not manage to get thunderbolt support according to my thunderbolt settings of my gnome desktop
1617[16:45:22] <nvz> simplicius: what DE are you using?
1618[16:45:30] <simplicius> nvz: Ice
1619[16:45:37] <nvz> IceWM?
1620[16:45:50] <simplicius> how can I run it through shell invocation?
1621[16:46:00] <nvz> IceWM?
1622[16:46:26] <simplicius> yes
1623[16:46:31] <miskatonic> icewm is not a de
1624[16:46:46] <simplicius> Xfce
1625[16:47:12] <nvz> so you're using XFCE AND IceWM?!
1626[16:47:16] <simplicius> yes
1627[16:47:26] <nvz> thats a bit odd.. icewm provides desktop/panels like a DE
1643[16:49:59] <simplicius> dpkg-query: no packages found matching xfce4-screenshooter
1644[16:50:04] <nvz> o.O
1645[16:50:51] <nvz> simplicius: well we're gonna need some basic information.. unless you have anything to add like something you did recently.. upgraded to sid, put in strange sources.. something..
1646[16:50:56] <mvaenskae> eh, is there a reason the installer for buster unconditionally writes random data to a disk that i want to be cryptographically secure without invoking the secure erase command, thus making the process at least for SSDs magnitudes quicker?
1650[16:51:55] <rrttyy> BCMM: I'll try doing that. Whatever config file is present would probably be old, I've been uprading this machine from debian 8, about four years now.
1658[16:54:07] <nvz> simplicius: yes, dpkg -l | grep screenshot is a simple command that does essentially that
1659[16:54:38] <Ooze> Should I be doing something like this manual partitioning to set up LVM, or should the Guided LVM in Debian install be sufficient? replaced-url
1660[16:54:52] <BadPractice> i just installed a debian stable on my Lenovo T480 and do not manage to get thunderbolt support according to my thunderbolt settings of my gnome desktop
1662[16:55:58] <nvz> BadPractice: I heard you the last time.. and so did everyone else.. I have a T440 and X240.. no thunderbolt.. dont know much about it..
1709[17:09:52] <EdePopede> simplicius, you could play with: debtags search 'interface::commandline && role::program && scope::utility && use::storing && works-with::image'
1710[17:10:17] <EdePopede> simplicius, both scrot and flameshot have them all, and byzanz also appears
1711[17:10:48] <nvz> BadPractice: its most likely disabled in bios but idk.. systemctl -k and dmidecode .. whatever might help but prob easier to reboot and check the bios
1759[17:21:11] <oxek> ok, I read about backporting it, but that still requires me to add the testing repos so that I can download the testing source, no?
1760[17:21:26] <oxek> so I am still kinda on the same path, no?
1761[17:21:28] <nvz> just relax a minute I'm gonna do it and see
1765[17:22:06] <oxek> thanks for trying to help. I don't need you to do it all for me, just a pointer in the right direction of some guide would be enough I hope.
1766[17:22:47] <oxek> somiaj: so I'd add just the deb-src testing repos and not the ones that start with just 'deb', yes?
1767[17:23:25] <somiaj> oxek: yea, because deb-src only gives you access to source packages, not binaries and won't install anything on your system (just give you the ability to download source and use build-dep to install build depends)
1768[17:23:43] <somiaj> and build-dep will come from stable (if possible otherwise throw an error)
1790[17:27:46] <trek00> oxek: you need to download the source one time only and you can specify the target release by command line: apt-get source -t testing scrcopy
1791[17:27:47] <nvz> should-work backport instructions for scrcpy from sid replaced-url
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1794[17:28:18] <somiaj> oxek: from apt-get manpage, seems apt-get source does respect default release, you can also use apt-get source package=version or apt-get source package/release
1796[17:28:58] <nvz> BadPractice: I don't have the foggiest idea how a thunderbolt works, or what you'd hook to it.. or why you'd even want to.. so I can't really help
1797[17:29:02] <somiaj> oxek: so though you could mess with the APT::Default-Release for this, to me I don't see the point and just manaully state what source you want to download at the time.
1804[17:30:34] <somiaj> oxek: trek00: suggestion of -t testing makes the pinning of the release 999 making it choose that one, you could also use teh apt-get source package/release or package=version to specificy which one if there are multiple.
1805[17:30:58] <somiaj> oxek: to me since you have various options to control which source to download, I don't think changing the defaults will do much (except maybe cause problems later if you forget you set that)
1815[17:32:23] <somiaj> oxek: offical backports are from testing, it is your choice (also might want to check if there is a version difference)
1816[17:32:24] <trek00> oxek: try the one nvz said at first
1817[17:32:31] <nvz> oxek: when it comes to testing or unstable.. its best to go with unstable.. its more current.. testing can develop issues that are slower to fix cause they typically gotta be fixed in sid first
1820[17:33:04] <somiaj> oxek: you an also just grab upstream and build locally and install in /usr/local if you don't want to go through the extra work of making a .deb (.deb is useful is wanting to install on multiple machines)
1821[17:33:08] <nvz> oxek: normally if the package is already in stable you don't need to manually install the builddeps which is the longer of the commands
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1823[17:33:25] <oxek> sounds scary but ok
1824[17:33:42] <nvz> its actually dead simple.. if I weren't already on sid I'd have prob done it already
1825[17:33:43] <somiaj> nvz: you shouldn't need to manually isntall build deps, apt build-dep packagename will do that if you have the deb-src line
1826[17:34:04] <nvz> somiaj: I've had spotty results with that.. but good to know
1827[17:34:26] <somiaj> well build-deps may not be satisifable in stable (which is a whole different story) but if they are, you don't need to manually install them
1828[17:34:44] <trek00> i usually save the build-dep package list to remove it after building
1829[17:34:48] <nvz> well judd only mentioned debhelper-compat and thats just a bug in judd
1830[17:35:00] <somiaj> the most common one is the debian helper depends, but you can get newer debian helper from buster-backports
1831[17:35:26] <somiaj> well often times packages are built with the newerest standards and need newer debian helper (or you to modify the compat level in the debian/ directory)
1832[17:35:37] <somiaj> ,v debhelper-compat
1833[17:35:38] <judd> No package named 'debhelper-compat' was found in amd64.
1834[17:35:51] <nvz> the version it complained about is 12.. which is in buster
1835[17:36:03] <somiaj> ,v debhelper
1836[17:36:04] <nvz> it does this for everything that uses debhelper
1838[17:36:08] <trek00> LANG=C apt-get -s build-dep scrcopy | sed '/^ /!bA;H;$bA;d;:A;x;/The following NEW/!d;s/^The .*:\n//' >build-package-list.txt
1839[17:36:40] <trek00> then after build: apt-get purge $(cat build-package-list.txt)
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1841[17:36:44] <nvz> trek00: kudos, I used an actual editor for the search and replace :P
1842[17:36:46] <somiaj> nvz: ahh that could be true the bot has a bug, but it isn't uncommon to need debhelper from backports to build testing packages without modifing debian/
1890[17:55:59] <nvz> brutser: though mine is an encrypted lvm so its slightly different
1891[17:56:35] <brutser> trek00: i think i need to yes, i just don't know how to do that exactly :)
1892[17:57:03] <sgo11> Hi, after adding a bridge network interface br0 in /etc/network/interfaces and install "qemu-kvm virt-manager libvirt-clients libvirt-daemon-system bridge-utils virtinst libvirt-daemon", my wireless device is no longer working. GUI shows "device not managed". Why and how to fix it? THanks a lot.
1893[17:57:12] <brutser> trek00: during install i need to get this UUID?
1894[17:57:27] <brutser> any tutorial that explains that part?
1895[17:57:40] <trek00> brutser: just add it to the grub commandline: linux /vmlinuz root=UUID=1234-dead-beef
1910[18:01:34] <trek00> juanrubio_: that directory is only for python packages installed manually (not via aptitude)
1911[18:01:50] <trek00> juanrubio_: if you don't have installed any you should not have that directory
1912[18:02:22] <sgo11> All I do is: install the packages listed above. and then "sudo virsh net-start default", virsh net-autostart default", modprobe vhost_net, adding br0 to /etc/network/interfaces. and then reboot. That's all.
1913[18:02:42] <trek00> juanrubio_: for packages installed via apt you should check /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages
1914[18:03:05] <sgo11> After that, wifi device is not managed shown in the GUI.
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1916[18:03:19] <trek00> sgo11: which GUI? there are many
1928[18:06:59] <brutser> trek00: cryptsetup luksOpen ${luksdevice} luksroot < here i decrypt /dev/sda and it creates /dev/mapper/luksroot < should i do blkid /dev/mapper/luksroot to find the UUID?
1937[18:09:06] <brutser> perhaps i should do this anyway
1938[18:09:07] <sgo11> trek00: what is different btw "virsh net-start br0" or "virsh net-start default"? wif I don't start default, will virt-manager work? Thanks a lot. I never use qemu vm and virt before.
1939[18:09:13] <BalooRJ> I've noticed that when I open the download folder from browsers it defaults to nautilus rather than thunar, which I prefer to use. Have no desire to use nautilus, but want to keep furiusisomount. Doesn't seem that I can uninstall nautilus without uninstalling the other
1950[18:12:15] <somiaj> BalooRJ: can you tell your browser which application to use to open folders? It could also be using an xdg mime type which can be changed (though unsure what mime type would be for folders)
1953[18:13:29] <Akuw> i have a virtual machine that is using dhcp to get ip address, but i want to use static, but if i use static then could be i choose a used one
1957[18:14:11] <sney> Akuw: go into your router, find the range for dhcp addresses, choose one outside that range
1958[18:14:28] <Akuw> is there any other way?
1959[18:14:39] <Akuw> no way to use static and gateway?
1960[18:14:50] <somiaj> Akuw: usually dhcp servers have a way to limit what address they assign, so you can use static address that are not in that range.
1961[18:15:08] <trek00> BalooRJ: you should be able to configure your default browser adding the inode/directory to your miminfo see replaced-url
1962[18:15:11] <somiaj> Akuw: the other option is to configure the dhcp server to always give the same address to that machine's mac address, this will efictivally be static.
1963[18:15:12] <BalooRJ> somiaj: Thank you, let me look into the mime type for directories. When looking through the firefox settings I don't see a setting for using a specific app to open folders
1964[18:15:59] <BalooRJ> trek00: Thank you, this seems to be what I am looking for
1965[18:16:08] <trek00> brutser: well ok, then both your boot partition (on usb) and root partition (on disk) are encrypted? if so you need to add the crypttab entry
1966[18:16:12] <Akuw> how can i see all ips used in my net?
1967[18:16:50] <somiaj> Akuw: Why avoid what we are saying, at some level you need to know what ip range your dhcp server assigns. And this can be configured
1968[18:17:14] <somiaj> seeing all possible ip's on your net won't change or tell you the max possible range your dhcp server can assign
1969[18:17:31] <Akuw> the problem is i dont admin that
1970[18:17:54] <Akuw> so because its a VM i thought i could use a private range
1971[18:17:55] <somiaj> Akuw: can you talk to the admin, or request a static ip from them for that machiens mac address?
1974[18:18:54] <somiaj> Akuw: now this depends on how your virtual network is setup, some vms are setup to use a bridge and use an ip on the same network as the host, others have a virtual network, and the host uses nat to get trafice to and from the vm
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1976[18:19:10] <somiaj> Akuw: if you use the later, you own the dhcp server for the virtual network and can configure it
1977[18:19:43] <Akuw> i have the first
1978[18:20:04] <somiaj> (though if you hide your vm behind your hosts ip, you have less access to it from the outsdie world and have to setup port forwarding for any thing you want to serve)
1979[18:20:06] <brutser> trek00: yes i thought so too, but initrd is not decrypting the disk, that's done by grub's cryptomount, even before the initrd is loaded - so what kind of line would i put in crypttab then??
1981[18:20:44] <somiaj> Akuw: sounds like you need to contact the admin of the network and ask them for a static ip. They will either assign you one you can use or setup the dhcp server to give that vms mac address one then.
1982[18:20:45] <Akuw> one question, i just installed debian 10, in that VM, i can ping from VM to my computer, but can ping from my computer to that VM. this version of debian has any firewall >
1983[18:20:45] <trek00> brutser: the one not yet decrypted, the root partition
1984[18:21:18] <somiaj> Akuw: debian doesn't include any firewall by default, it sounds like a network issue.
1985[18:21:29] <somiaj> Akuw: you might want to check more details about how the network with the vm is actually configured
2054[19:00:09] <oxek> wow looks like the 'hacker' scene from movies with all that text flying around
2055[19:00:27] <Ooze> I nfs map a drive on my NAS to /media. Previously I had manually changed the uid of my local debian user to match that of my NAS user. Is this bad practice?
2056[19:01:59] <greycat> It is a GOOD practice to use consistent username/UID pairs across your LAN, when doing NFS.
2067[19:09:29] <oxek> now... what do I need to keep in mind for the future? When scrcpy is officially in stable or backports, will something break?
2068[19:09:52] <somiaj> oxek: good job. Backprots are often not that hard and work well (provided you can build the software in stable -- this is where it gets hard if the software can't actually be built with the libaries in stable)
2069[19:10:43] <somiaj> oxek: provided it was just a package or two, not much, usually versions will be newer causing the package to upgarde naturally
2072[19:11:31] <somiaj> oxek: it is often suggested when upgrading to be careful about thrid party packages (this is your own third party package), they can cause trobules, but usally one or two that nothign else depends on won't.
2073[19:13:15] <oxek> also, can something break by keeping this "APT::Default-Release "stable";" in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/default-release?
2074[19:13:29] <oxek> should i perhaps change it to APT::Default-Release "buster"; ?
2077[19:14:46] <brutser> trek00: still not working: linux /vmlinuz cryptdevice=UUID=0000-1111-2222:luksroot root=/dev/mapper/luksroot ro quiet
2078[19:14:54] <brutser> would that be the way to add cryptdevice?
2079[19:14:58] <somiaj> oxek: as I said, I see no reason you need to do that. But if you change releases it may have an affect later
2080[19:18:23] <oxek> somiaj: I think I prefer it because I am likely to forget about having the debian testing deb-src in my sources.list, which means that if I have to get the source of some package in stable I'll just do `apt source package` and not realize I am getting the testing version instead of stable.
2086[19:21:25] <somiaj> oxek: deb-src does nothing as I have said
2087[19:21:47] <somiaj> oxek: if you are worried about the next time you comple source getting testing sources, just comment it out now that you are done with it
2088[19:22:31] <somiaj> anyways, personal choice, if you manually set the default release, realize this could have issues down the road when you upgrade to bullseye.
2138[19:49:03] <sney> what kind of connection? what exactly are you trying? did you have an internet connection in the installer?
2139[19:49:36] <metbsd> my home maybe 10-20 devices including webcam, alarm system, thermostat and phones, computers
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2141[19:50:16] <trek00> brutser: it prints some error?
2142[19:50:17] <VinPop> sney Wi-fi connection, i don't understand the second question and yes
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2144[19:50:46] <greycat> if your Internet connection is under 100 Mbps, then a 100 Mbps router should suffice, alhough I'd be concerned about the age of this device, and thus its expected remaining lifetime
2145[19:51:05] <sney> VinPop: like, what steps did you take before you saw the word "failed"
2146[19:51:17] <sney> remember I cannot see your screen.
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2148[19:51:23] <VinPop> all of the steps i did were in the installer
2149[19:51:31] <VinPop> in the actual finished OS i just clicked connect
2150[19:51:32] <metbsd> youe right it's old laptop. i'm thinking turning it to a router
2152[19:51:52] <brutser> trek00: i was mistaken, the /dev/mapper/luksroot is created on the temporary expert installer from debian, this is not available on the target system..duuh, stupid
2153[19:52:08] <brutser> still no solution though, i have one single disk encrypted, no lvm
2154[19:52:14] <brutser> still no idea how to grub config that
2155[19:52:35] <brutser> i am thinking to just use lvm because of all the examples out there that all are using lvm
2164[19:55:46] <brutser> trek00: i am not testing without a grub config, directly from the grub command, cryptomount decrypt fine the hdd, set root=crypto0 works fine too > "ls /" show the root of the system now
2178[19:59:10] <trek00> brutser: usually on debian you configure /etc/crypttab on the root partition, then update-initramfs should take that file and put it inside the initrd
2189[20:02:00] <trek00> brutser: i think grub only decrypt the root partition to read kernel and initrd, then you need initrd to decrypt again that partition
2190[20:02:25] <brutser> aah yes i think that's correct
2191[20:02:45] <brutser> brrrrrrr how my brain forget things over and over again
2192[20:03:08] <brutser> ok, restart, reboot and i get to it again
2193[20:03:17] <trek00> brutser: :D
2194[20:03:18] <brutser> thx
2195[20:03:30] <trek00> brutser: hope this will fix it :)
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2200[20:06:40] <lwp> VinPop, where do you click connect ? Did you install some Desktop environment like gnome or KDE or XFCE or something ? what other choices can you click ? what error messages do you see ?
2201[20:07:36] <VinPop> i installed Cinnamon and i click connect in the internet panel, other choice is settings where i can change properties of the connection, and there is no error message, all it says is "Connection failed"
2214[20:15:19] <greycat> *What* domain name? That is an incredibly overused term. Do you mean the default search domain that's added to hostnames when you do DNS queries?
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2255[20:49:36] <Dev0n> hey, is it possible to partition an existing drive (from the unused space) and then run luks encyrption on that partition *without* rebooting to set this all up?
2262[20:51:23] <phogg> traditionally you reboot to make sure that everything that should know about partition changes does know about them. Whether it's actually required depends on whether everything you need to know figured it out
2264[20:52:38] <phogg> working from a live environment is just helpful if what you want to resize involves touching an active partition. It's harder to know which are involved with modern volume management, but if you're sure you're not messing with boundaries of anything that's in use you shouldn't need a live system
2265[20:52:44] <Dev0n> phogg, I don't have an issue with rebooting and seeing if the partitions worked. I just don't have a way to take the system offline / mount it and use another tool to make the partition
2267[20:53:39] <Dev0n> phogg, also it's a brand new system without nothing on apart from "standard"
2268[20:53:50] <phogg> e.g. if you have sda1 and sdb1 spanning an entire disk each and they're both added PVs which are in VGs which back LVs which are mounted, then you can't touch anything without live/rescue media
2269[20:54:10] <phogg> but if they each span only half their disks and you're playing with the free space, you're fine
2270[20:54:18] <Dev0n> I have a /dev/sda and 1 /dec/sda1
2284[20:57:48] <phogg> Dev0n: you should installed the parted package for its partprobe tool. This isn't the same as rebooting, but you'll have better chances success with partition changes if you use it.
2285[20:58:07] <Dev0n> ah thanks for the tip phogg!
2294[21:02:01] <zodd> is there an API doc to python-apt? (I would like to query existence of a package and to query a configfile(location) of that package)
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2306[21:08:36] <zodd> miskatonic, /usr/share/doc/python-apt does only contain changezlog.gz and copyright files. The projects homepage does not contain docs afaik and in the source I could not find any too
2307[21:08:46] <Dev0n> phogg, looking more into this (maybe I didn't ask my question properly), it seems you can't resize and existing partition that's mounted?
2309[21:09:13] <Dev0n> os if I have a 100gb drive, that has 1 partition / of 100gb, it's not possible to resize this down to say, 50gb and create a new partition with 50gb, all live?
2310[21:09:20] <phogg> Dev0n: you probably can't reduce the size (either can't or must do it carefully) but you may well be able to increase the size.
2311[21:09:29] <phogg> it gets tricky depending on what's on top of it
2312[21:09:35] <Dev0n> ahh damn
2313[21:09:56] <phogg> Dev0n: first you have to shrink the filesystem within the partition. Most don't support online shrink. Some don't support shrink at all.
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2315[21:10:44] <Dev0n> ext4, guess online shrink it's not possible
2316[21:10:52] <Dev0n> oh well, there goes that, thanks again phogg
2322[21:12:26] <hansol> people, i dont have sound only sound i have is when i turn on headphones
2323[21:13:13] <jhutchins> Dev0n: Here's the thing: If you're messing with partitions, you need to have a backup of your data anyway. That said, it's pretty simple to back up, repartition, and restore.
2335[21:25:23] <miskatonic> zodd in a python3 interactive session, import apt and then help(apt) gives a brief summary of teh classes implemented in teh module and their methods
2482[23:08:59] <trek00> Dev0n: may be you can shutdown, then clone the root partition, then restart, add the cloned partition, shrink it, shutdown, remove root partition and restart! :)
2486[23:09:56] <Dev0n> hah trek00, unfortunately it's an onsite system not on any cloud platform, I'm just going to wait until someone is available to do it onsite :(
2490[23:11:32] <trek00> Dev0n: well no online shrink, only expand
2491[23:12:13] <trek00> Dev0n: it is usually better to have multiple partitions to deal with those issues, so you can run with only the root partition mounted and resize the others
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2537[23:20:18] <Dev0n> yea, it would be, but at that point, someone will physically be there so they could just load a live system up
2538[23:20:55] <nvz> R0b0t1`: well you just gotta know what you wanna do.. you can hook it to a device, a driver, anything in the kernel then just have it run a script.. I prob don't have many udev rules on here but I can look
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2540[23:21:57] <nvz> R0b0t1`: for example here is one for my trackpoint to set the drift time.. ACTION==add, SUBSYSTEM=input, ATTR{name}==TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint, ATTR{device/drift_time}=90
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2542[23:22:23] <R0b0t1`> hmm, ok, I'll try to see what GadgetFS does
2543[23:22:35] <trek00> if it's not tied to any hardware may be it should be better to have an init script/sytemd oneshot
2544[23:23:07] <nvz> R0b0t1`: here is one that cam with virtualbox replaced-url
2545[23:23:52] <HelloShitty> Hello everyone. Anyone can help me figuring out why my xsane cannot see my wireless scanner, which is an HP Deskjet 3070A ?
2546[23:24:00] <R0b0t1`> haha that's perfect I think nvz
2547[23:24:08] <HelloShitty> I can see the printer conencted to my router and I can print documents
2548[23:24:09] <R0b0t1`> hard to find specific words sometimes for the options
2549[23:24:28] <HelloShitty> but I cannot use xsane because it says that cannot find the scanner
2583[23:34:29] <HelloShitty> I'm not sure about the URI links
2584[23:34:29] <trek00> HelloShitty: avahi-daemon is running?
2585[23:34:30] <R0b0t1`> okay, that worked, but also didn't
2586[23:35:06] <HelloShitty> hum, ahavi-deamon? I'll try with ps aux | grep "avahi-deamon" ???
2587[23:35:37] <HelloShitty> I can find 2 instances
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2589[23:36:06] <HelloShitty> You want me to paste it?
2590[23:38:24] <trek00> HelloShitty: no it's ok
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2592[23:38:50] <trek00> R0b0t1`: if it's not tied to any hardware may be it should be better to have an init script/sytemd oneshot
2593[23:38:57] <HelloShitty> I have these 2 files in ~/.sane folder
2594[23:39:23] <R0b0t1`> trek00: I think you are right, the udev rule seems to apply too early. I get a kernel panic but know the configfs setup I provided works.
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2625[23:49:30] <HelloShitty> ok, thanks man... I came here because I'm kind of in a rush because my aughter is having classes online and I'm not being able to scan documents of her assignments to send them to her teacher
2626[23:50:12] <HelloShitty> I think I'm going to restart my laptop... Probably it won't help but who knows
2627[23:50:27] <trek00> HelloShitty: there is no usb cable i guess
2628[23:50:32] <HelloShitty> I alsp found this file in ~/.sane/xsane