44[00:36:31] <usney> I installed debian recently on a mechanical HD and when I had it encrypted it recommended to securely erase it for security reasons. Is that required on SSD? I don't think so since that technology can't be reliable erased and I think it would greatly lower the SSD lifespan?
45[00:36:46] <usney> I am going to install debian now to my SSD
46[00:37:07] <usney> again I think it didn't ask to do that for my ssd last time though just asking.
69[00:58:58] <somiaj> brokencycle: umm use aptitude. For the why case, basically you search through the reverse depends (apt-cache or apt-rdepends (r = recursive) can do this) -- most likely have to do this recurivally and find the first package that is installed that matches.
70[00:59:33] <somiaj> So basically search every installed package that depends on pakcage X
71[00:59:53] <somiaj> for why not, you'll have to look for conflicts both explicity stated and version which I think would be much harder.
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76[01:02:49] <brokencycle> somiaj: of course - and recursively, but this is really the only reason why I would use aptitude. However, other software likes to use aptitude, and it's a bit of a nuisance to try to prevent it from doing so.
77[01:03:48] <brokencycle> Thank you anyway!
78[01:05:14] <somiaj> other software that likes to use aptitude?
80[01:06:00] <somiaj> though I think apt is getting more search features and various stuff added to it, aptitude search features and why/why-not may not be only limited to aptitude (unsure of where this is at, only something I heard in passing)
123[01:45:09] <blackop> how can i check my youtube-dl version?
124[01:45:20] <lwp> !youtube-dl
125[01:45:20] <dpkg> youtube-dl is a command line utility for downloading videos from <youtube> and other sites, and is available from debian repositories, but that version is not usually the newest. The most up-to-date version can be installed directly by instructions at replaced-url
146[01:51:29] <lwp> blackop, and download/install it with your regular user, not root
147[01:52:03] <usney> yes you can install it via pip too but I just install it from how the developer's site said to it also states you can use pip but it isn't recommended by python devs to install anything for python that way because it can cause conflicts with debian's packages since it may update other packages to newer software that other software can't work with that depend on the older versions blackop
148[01:52:14] <blackop> lwp: with sudo ?
149[01:52:16] <blackop> i did it
150[01:52:22] <blackop> but i cant check the version
151[01:52:30] <usney> youtube-dl --version
152[01:52:37] <blackop> and when i run sudo apt install youtube-dl it shows some packs to install
153[01:53:02] <usney> to install python software without having those issues you need to use a python virtual environment
154[01:53:05] <blackop> should i install them?
155[01:53:18] <blackop> there are some codecs and somethings about python
156[01:53:39] <usney> yes install those without installing the package old youtube-dl package
231[02:05:37] <usney> I use vlc only on windows when I use to use it.
232[02:05:49] <usney> vlc doesn't display well on my laptops
233[02:06:25] <usney> minitube doesn't require using any commands to use it blackop
234[02:06:33] <blackop> well mpv is streaming high res
235[02:06:47] <blackop> and this is 16 yrs old laptop :p
236[02:06:54] <blackop> i dont wanna press too much
237[02:07:03] <blackop> i can watch it but i prefer lower res
238[02:07:40] <usney> also you can subscribe to video channels without signing in too and you can watch age restricted videos without signing in either but it has a family button to filter that. :)
239[02:08:13] <blackop> doesnt mpv show the resolution?
240[02:08:32] <blackop> usney: i am not after hot videos
262[02:11:58] <usney> if you are concerned about speed you could try crunchbangplusplus it is based on debian 10 and uses a desktop environment lighter than lxde/lxqt and xfce. They have a 32bit edition too.
263[02:11:59] <chocolate> is there a tutorial to use cron? I tried many of them and anyone is working
264[02:12:24] *** Parts: Acheron (~Acheron@replaced-ip) ("Good Bye and Good Luck")
265[02:12:24] <usney> I think there maybe a graphical way to control cron jobs chocolate
266[02:13:01] <chocolate> to add a task to cron, is only about adding a line to /etc/crontab?
291[02:17:35] <valoga> on multiarch arm, what is the difference between: libc6:arm64: /lib/aarch64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 and libc6-dev-armhf-cross: /usr/arm-linux-gnueabihf/lib/libdl.so ?
354[02:35:51] <blackop> i need something to search and find videos without browsing
355[02:35:55] <blackop> and play them
356[02:36:16] <usney> it must be weird being a developer for that app and you get someone complaining youtube can't download this insert specific named video here xxx video.
357[02:36:26] <usney> lol
358[02:36:37] <nlpqda> How to keep wireless connection when connect ethernet cable? not sure if this is a pure linux or debian question! but my box is debian.
359[02:36:56] <usney> what do you need to do that nlpqda ?
360[02:37:03] <usney> do you want to setup a hotspot?
361[02:37:18] <usney> I meant what do you need to do that for?
362[02:37:45] <nlpqda> not really ... I want to keep bot connections but when I connect lan or add lte dongle wifi disconnects automatically
363[02:38:00] <usney> I see
364[02:38:17] <usney> why would you want to use both if they both do the samething?
365[02:38:18] <nlpqda> I want redudent connection so when one fails the box automatically use the other
366[02:38:30] <usney> I see
367[02:38:42] <usney> why not just use the wired one then?
382[02:44:15] <kianm> if addresses change though, keep in mind existing connections will break, just how tcp/ip works. but at least you can failover when plugging in ethernet
384[02:47:45] <nlpqda> kianm: which package should be installed to buster to add ifplugd?
385[02:48:28] <nlpqda> ok i got it ...
386[02:48:33] <nlpqda> I had a problem with apt
387[02:49:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1344
388[02:50:29] <kianm> ive not used it but that looks like it could accomplish your goal. i found it by looking for a linux-equivalent of ifstated from openbsd
389[02:51:59] <nlpqda> any how to(s) to fix this error caused by me trying to install monodevelop .. replaced-url
390[02:53:09] <nlpqda> honnestly speaking after using debian for an entire year it's stable as long as I'm trying to install developments tools or ide(s) on it
396[02:58:50] <judd> No package named 'msbuild' was found in amd64.
397[02:59:07] <usney> if you have a monthly data limit nlpqda you could set limits so you don't go over it so that you don't get slower speeds. That's if they let you go past the data limit. where I am located only satellite internet does that and when you go over the data limits you get slower speeds.
399[03:00:34] <lwp> nlpqda, that thing you are installing does not look like a part of debian. maybe ask the support wherever it came from ?
400[03:02:11] <nlpqda> usney: LoL .. sorry but you're making wronful assumptions of my situation based on your reality .. where I live if the internet monthly quota is finish you don't get any access, they even will charge you 10 times the price to add more gigs into the account
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410[03:04:59] <usney> I have been having lot's of errors with my typing lately I think from being on the computer for longer than normal because what is happening in the world today.
411[03:05:00] <joepublic> i had not guessed that you were not a native speaker, in fact
467[03:48:00] <saptech> recently got an epson wf-3720 AIO printer, the drivers for printer was already installed and work
468[03:49:14] <saptech> my issue now is getting the scanner drivers installed. When I run the pkgs from epson website, I get error message "pkg lsb is not install". Would someone tell me what lsb pkg it wants?
469[03:50:57] <saptech> it give this msg, "epson-printer-utility depends on lsb (>= 3.2)"
531[04:46:52] <u0m3> hi. anyone here can suggest an acceptable way of checking what errors out when running a set of commands over ssh? (something like ssh -T user@host "long ; list ; of ; commands ; here")
532[04:48:09] <dvs> u0m3, use "&&" instead of ";" and see which command it stops on?
562[05:22:11] <sufy> hi, I am trying to pass a secondary video card but it is with some other components in the iommu group, is there a way i can manually separate it in buster?
662[07:21:21] <accelbread> Hi, I just installed Debian in a qemu vm, and am having trouble getting the display to scale. I am using spice. I tried installing qemu-guest-agent and spice-vdagent. I've used the same config for windows VMs so the host side should be fine
828[09:59:19] <vlt> Hello. I’ve been working with Debian on a machine for a few days now without problems. Since this morning every now and then I get a short beep sound, my graphics freezes (while an ssh session works fine) and I get this replaced-url
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891[10:36:13] <f-a> I suspect some kind of cache/database rebuilding is needed, but I don't know how
892[10:36:56] <ksk> ,info apt-xapian-index
893[10:36:58] <judd> Package apt-xapian-index (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: maintenance and search tools for a Xapian index of Debian packages. Version: 0.49; Size: 57.2k; Installed: 251k; Homepage: replaced-url
930[10:57:48] <oxek> I have a few questions about debian that I hope someone can answer:
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932[10:58:48] <oxek> Can anyone simply become a maintainer for a package that does not exist in debian yet? Do I then simply upload a binary I compiled to the debian repositories? Is there anyone reviewing the binary for malicious behavior?
933[10:58:58] <ksk> !mentors
934[10:58:58] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. replaced-url
935[10:59:07] <ksk> !nmg
936[10:59:07] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
939[10:59:48] <ksk> oxek: as far as I know you try to get a mentor if you want to become a debian package maintainer. He/She will then guide you, and you can become a package maintainer yourself later..
940[11:00:31] <ksk> you can ask the bot about all these keywords via "/msg dpkg KEYWORD"
941[11:00:48] <oxek> ksk: thanks. Those look like quite heavy reading materials so it will take me some time to digest them.
942[11:01:09] <ksk> yes indeed. It would be really helpful if you got some experience in building debian packages I suppose.
943[11:01:20] <ksk> (not too trivial of a task)
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945[11:03:14] <oxek> I see
946[11:04:07] <oxek> the other question I have is this: On windows I was using this version of chromium replaced-url
947[11:04:17] <oxek> whereas on debian there's just the standard chromium package
949[11:04:47] <oxek> is there some place where I can read about how much tracking and other google things the debian's chromium package contains compared to the ungoogled chromium?
962[11:07:48] <ksk> (its kinda usable nowadays, I did myself migrate from FF to Chrome like 5 Years ago because of performance, but seems that got better in FF)
963[11:07:53] <oxek> ksk: I do, but a lot of things just don't work well in firefox or are slow.
964[11:08:10] <oxek> I use firefox for personal use, but chromium for work
970[11:11:48] <oxek> according to wireshark, the chromium version in debian still sends a whole bunch of data to google domains, even with safebrowsing disabled.
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994[11:20:09] <zub> ksk: thanks, I guess I'm just confused. When one builds e.g. the icecc package, one needs the "debian" packaging - and that lives in the salsa repo. But one also needs the actual icecc sources. When the official package is build, it must be somewhere specified what upstream source to use. Or... am I hopelessly lost?
995[11:20:12] <kreyren> Why i don't have apt-utils from stable repository on this environment? replaced-url
996[11:20:30] <kreyren> or is it `now` ? assuming it being debian/stable grabbed from official docker
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999[11:22:37] <ksk> zub: if you did "apt source icecc" it would download everything needed, this includes "upstream coded mirrored and used by debian" and all the stuff debian adds
1000[11:23:16] <zub> ksk: how does apt-source know?
1001[11:23:26] <zub> (the dependencies are clear)
1002[11:23:36] <ksk> for every package there is a source package, containing everything needed to build the package.
1003[11:23:50] <ksk> !tell zub about apt-src
1004[11:23:57] <zub> ah, indeed. so there is more than what I jsut see in the salsa repo
1016[11:26:00] <kreyren> it doesn't seem to see it if there are sources for testing and sid
1017[11:26:12] <kreyren> same issue on my local system
1018[11:26:19] <ksk> what is apt-list though? :D can you try with "apt-cache show apt-utils" and/or "apt-cache policy apt-utils"
1019[11:26:22] <ksk> !bat
1020[11:26:22] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1023[11:26:53] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
1028[11:28:55] <kreyren> ksk, output of apt-cache show apt-utils replaced-url
1029[11:29:31] <kreyren> which this is a different environment from a docker that attempts to recreate the docker environment (uses different sandboxing method)
1030[11:30:29] <kreyren> for frankendebian, my local is LFS that has stablebian and bullseye in separate sandboxes and this way it's managing them, for docker we are expecting the ability to get frankendebian for packages like shellcheck that are not usable in stable
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1045[11:36:05] <ksk> Debian can use the Gnome Desktop to display fancy stuff on a monitor. its not required though..
1046[11:36:19] <ksk> zub: ha, take a look at .rpm then
1047[11:36:20] * ksk hides
1048[11:36:59] <zub> :)
1049[11:37:14] <ksk> but yeah, not too easy building debian packages. Depending on your usecase, you might just want to use $something-else (config-managment, language specific foo (composer, pip, whatnot)
1050[11:37:43] * kreyren is building LFS-stablebian in sandbox in the meintime
1080[11:58:14] <kreyren> hm so it outputs stable on stablebian
1081[11:58:22] * kreyren confused
1082[11:58:57] <kreyren> How do i know that i can install apt-utils if `apt list apt-utils` outputs `apt-utils/testing,unstable,now 2.0.2 amd64 [installed]`
1109[12:25:22] <doh> i'm running raspbian (which is debian based) so i hope it's okay to ask here. i have an external disk encrypted with luks (cryptsetup). it has to be crypto-opened and then mounted to be used.
1110[12:25:51] <doh> i configure it in /etc/crypttab and /etc/fstab with the correct settings (same as in cli), but then prevents the damn pi from booting
1111[12:25:57] <doh> the disk is physically connected.
1112[12:26:14] <doh> and i use a keyfile, not an interactive password
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1131[12:38:29] <kreyren> riverr, Generally i like sanitized systems so diskspace is always a concern to me
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1133[12:43:20] <riverr> I have one script which gets iptables every 10 seconds, since it uses sudo, it gets logged to auth.log
1134[12:43:30] <riverr> should i be worried about this regarding diskspace or performance?
1135[12:45:25] <robi> my debian install on a pc with no DE (just i3) installed displays serif fonts terribly in firefox, but another pc with a debian KDE install displays them super crisp and great. is there some package that KDE installs that I don't have?
1147[12:52:29] <robi> anyone experience this? i have a wireless mouse, and when i stop using it for a few seconds, i need to shake it a bit before the system detects that the mouse is moving
1148[12:52:53] <robi> doesn't happen when i keep continuously moving the mouse, just when i stop using it to type, for example
1150[12:58:08] <AndreasLutro> might be a usb autosuspend thing, you can try modifying USB_BLACKLIST in /etc/default/tlp (assuming you have tlp installed)
1202[13:37:08] <AndreasLutro> no clue, these things are black boxes to me, but I do know that I disabled autosuspend for my usb ethernet device to prevent the network from hanging
1214[13:43:58] <robi> also, here's a strange one. when my laptop goes to sleep and wakes up, and I ssh to it, as soon as I terminate the ssh connection the wifi drops and i have to manually re-connect via nmtui. anyone experience anything like this?
1215[13:44:30] <robi> a reboot fixes the problem, but until then my wifi drops everytime the ssh connection terminates
1221[13:47:27] <Diezel> robi: what did you create the wifi connection with? I had an issue when NetworkManager was running and I used connman to create my settings
1222[13:47:47] <Diezel> disabling networkmanager fixed my wifi drops
1229[13:50:13] <kreyren> How do i make `apt list package` to list only specified release
1230[13:50:22] * kreyren is about to murder someone because apt is not cooperating
1231[13:50:57] <longears> Hmm. What should I replace Xen with? Docker? Kubernates? I need something FOSS and light. The idea is it could scale, work on multiple servers in parallel, be in Debian's repos and have ability to run VMs.
1232[13:51:13] <troic> lxd ?
1233[13:51:24] <kreyren> troic, docker
1234[13:51:38] <kreyren> ah that probably wasn't on me..
1235[13:53:14] <troic> anyone else having issues rsync'ing from security.debian.org ?
1248[14:00:28] <longears> Thanks :) I actually prefer Xen to Proxmox. Just from the experience I had years ago. The only reason why I'm even considering replacing Xen is because `xen-utils-common` requeres `python2` =\
1264[14:11:42] <hansol> heho, on fresh install in my laptop i dont have sound
1265[14:11:56] <kreyren> CrazyTux, check Commonly Known Vulnerabilities and then check that agains debian.. Personally i never saw unsafe package in debian's stable release
1266[14:12:33] <kreyren> generally debian is very fast on fixing security issues thus reasoning for me to use it in production ^-^
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1268[14:14:28] <CrazyTux> kreyren, I'm asking specifically about the Libre Office package from Debian backports. Could it have bugs? How stable and secure is it?
1276[14:16:45] <ksk> CrazyTux: in general, from backports.d.o: "Backports cannot be tested as extensively as Debian stable, and backports are provided on an as-is basis, with risk of incompatibilities with other components in Debian stable. Use with care!"
1277[14:16:48] <kreyren> CrazyTux, This may be a concerning to you replaced-url
1278[14:17:07] <CrazyTux> ksk, ok
1279[14:17:13] <CrazyTux> kreyren, ok
1280[14:17:42] <kreyren> CrazyTux, also see replaced-url
1281[14:17:49] <CrazyTux> so, generally, it's better to stick to Debian stable?
1282[14:18:20] <ksk> You should not install a package from backports without reason. If you have a valid reason, just go for it without worrying too much.
1283[14:18:41] <CrazyTux> btw, is Ubuntu LTS based on Debian stable or testing or unstable?
1284[14:18:55] <ksk> !ubuntu
1285[14:18:55] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
1286[14:19:04] <kreyren> i would say it's better to make LFS with package manager capable of compiling from source with ability to run tests and expensive test and track the issues to apply user-patches in case downstream is not fast enough
1287[14:19:13] <miskatonic> the u-word may not be mentioned here
1288[14:19:14] <kreyren> but debian stable is also sufficient
1289[14:19:48] <ksk> sure, because one "linux distro maintainer in his free time" will do better than the debian team. I cannot understand such statements :P
1290[14:19:50] <kreyren> CrazyTux, ubuntu is debian unstable prove me wrong i dare you :p
1291[14:20:11] <kreyren> afaik 0 care for security on ubuntu
1303[14:22:30] <CrazyTux> what do you mean by - 0 care for security?
1304[14:23:19] <kreyren> CrazyTux, i.e ubuntu keeping virtualbox package that has major known vulnerability that is not resolved and as a result has been removed from debian, see replaced-url
1306[14:23:54] <kreyren> among others ubuntu is keep forcing their shi@@#% snaps that are inefficient and overall slow down the system and deprecated i368 architecture that makes using wine pita
1309[14:25:00] <kreyren> and generally ubuntu's community support is full of plebs that never help and waste time by proposing ridiculious solutions that mostly make the system more broken to then enforce unneeded reinstall
1310[14:25:09] <coitusinteruptus> why is debian called debian
1311[14:25:38] <kreyren> coitusinteruptus, because tornado starts with deb and ends with bian :p
1312[14:25:39] <ksk> because there was an ian who had a girlfriend named debora (If I remember correctly..)
1313[14:25:57] <coitusinteruptus> must be an inside joke
1314[14:26:16] <kreyren> coitusinteruptus, probably.. that's what i was told 5 years ago
1315[14:26:33] <coitusinteruptus> and they still dont spill the beans
1316[14:26:38] <riverr> ksk, how my message was offtopic
1317[14:27:12] <ksk> riverr: it was not, and I did not indicate that. The line for you was:
1318[14:27:41] <ksk> "nope. we are living in 2020: Dispace is cheap, and you should have the spare cpu-cycles for some gzipping.."
1332[14:29:37] <ksk> okay, not too helpful that FAQ. there is a thing called logrotate, which renames logs from today to "logs from yestarday" and compresses them
1333[14:29:42] <CrazyTux> kreyren, what's you opinion on Debian stable based distros like MX Linux, LMDE, SolydXK etc?
1334[14:29:58] <riverr> ksk, oh, but wont the logs end up taking GBs of space?
1335[14:30:01] <ksk> riverr: in short: you do not have to worry or do anything :P
1336[14:31:01] <ksk> not really, no. since it gets compressed, and this kind of content (log entries about authentication) is very similar, so it compresses really well.
1337[14:31:34] <kreyren> CrazyTux, i like how MX Linux handles Nvidia drivers i would say that it's supperior to debian in that regard otherwise i see debian being supperion, never heard of SolydXK and LMDE being linux mint which i consider being terrible distro for simmilar reasons as ubuntu but it seems to be faster on patches while having a some what competent developers
1338[14:32:13] <riverr> ksk, hmm, is it some string compression algorithm?
1339[14:32:20] <kreyren> CrazyTux, generally on linux by using high-end distro like Gentoo/Exherbo you learn how to properly use the system and avoid breakage caused by pebcak so it's worth the time investment for those reasons
1340[14:32:25] <riverr> any idea how much less they take space compared to plain log file?
1341[14:32:35] <CrazyTux> kreyren, do you think MX is better than Ubuntu LTS?
1343[14:32:44] <kreyren> also both of those allow you to customize the packages since you would be building them from source though a package manager which i find being a must have for me
1344[14:33:01] <ksk> riverr: factor 1000? depends on the data you compress. I suspect you heard of .zip archives? its something similar (but another algorythm)
1345[14:33:35] <kreyren> CrazyTux, code quality-wise maybe, but i woudn't be confident in recommending that over ubuntu even when i woudn't recommend ubuntu to my worst enemy
1346[14:33:54] <riverr> Yep I know zip and tar but i thought they would make it only like 3x smaller or something
1347[14:34:03] <ksk> riverr: for example, on my box I have an auth.log containing ~5000 Lines - it is about 480K on disk. after gzipping its is 58k
1348[14:34:19] <CrazyTux> kreyren, LOL. Is Ubuntu that bad?
1349[14:34:22] <ksk> that totally depends on the similarity of the data you compress.
1350[14:34:29] <kreyren> CrazyTux, don't tell them but yes
1351[14:34:47] <ksk> you could expect it to even be gzipped 58k in that case, even if it had 10k lines
1371[14:56:16] <dpkg> Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>. replaced-url
1373[14:56:51] <ksk> MertEtcioglu: you can triggger the various things by doing "/msg dpkg TRIGGER" where trigger for example can be "what's my wireless"
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1376[15:00:27] <Achylles> I am trying to install paratext-8.0_1.44.amd64.deb on debian. But, I failed because of some dependencies. It seems that I can install it only on ubuntu and wasta-Linux as it is stated in SIL website. And I do not want to install ubuntu or wasta-Linux (ubuntu derivative) just to install this app
1380[15:01:57] <ksk> Achylles: if that package is not part of debian, please contact its vendor for support. We cannot support third party software in here..
1394[15:04:52] <Achylles> ksk: it installs, but there are a few dependencies that fail. Then, when I issue "apt install -f" it install some dependencies and uninstall paratext
1395[15:06:05] <SerajewelKS> Achylles: you could extract the contents of the package to a directory in /opt and try running it. if it complains about missing libraries, just manually install them.
1414[15:09:36] <SerajewelKS> ice99: it's in stretch-backports
1415[15:10:05] <SerajewelKS> ice99: however, for npm/node you're better off installing from upstream because the versions in debian are old by node standards.
1416[15:10:20] <coitusinteruptus> debian is anagram for in a bed
1417[15:10:22] <coitusinteruptus> why
1418[15:10:42] <ice99> SerajewelKS, sorry how to install it from upstream?
1419[15:10:52] <robi> it's because you can use your laptop in your bed without worrying that windows will eat up your battery
1420[15:11:04] <SerajewelKS> ice99: you can either use a tarball, or upstream does offer debian packages
1444[15:24:09] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1445[15:24:11] <kreyren> Assuming this being stable channel
1461[15:29:13] <kreyren> ksk, i did not expect it to not output the used command for git, checking.. note that i have limited environment for diagnostics
1462[15:29:29] <ksk> furthermore, you seem to be running testing. we only support debian stable in here.
1463[15:29:33] <ksk> !debian-next
1464[15:29:33] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1466[15:29:50] <kreyren> ksk, it has testing repository on demand for shellcheck and other packages that are not present in stable
1467[15:29:59] <ksk> !frankendebian
1468[15:29:59] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
1469[15:30:04] <kreyren> it should not be using it for anything else, checking..
1496[15:34:33] <ksk> I suppose its nothing "official debian" anyways (That image)
1497[15:35:00] <ksk> so contact its creator, or create your own one. I would also suspect docker to supply actually working debian images, but what do I know.
1533[15:41:29] <EdePopede> sure, it just says what kind of crap it is :)
1534[15:43:17] <kreyren> Seems that novnc now also refuses to install replaced-url
1535[15:44:03] <coitusinteruptus> debian wouldnt work on my machine.. like most linux .. no wifi driver
1536[15:44:39] <EdePopede> kreyren: "it should be possible to regenerate (clean-room!) the same tarballs used for building the official Debian images" -- has a different meaning
1537[15:44:49] <kreyren> coitusinteruptus, get non-free sources if you need them
1541[15:45:06] <dpkg> [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>.
1558[15:48:03] <kreyren> seems that the packages on stable are breaking where adding testing and sid seems to make apt to take the latest version -> I need to force apt to use only stable by default unless `-t release` is provided
1559[15:48:09] <kreyren> coitusinteruptus, can't be stupider :p
1560[15:48:19] <Akuw> what do this line in ntp.conf
1561[15:48:23] <EdePopede> so much for the trolling issua
1562[15:48:26] <coitusinteruptus> we arent all linux hobbyists
1564[15:49:08] <EdePopede> coitusinteruptus: if you're not willing to spend even basic time to your usage maybe you should ask someone to set up your box for you.
1565[15:49:10] * kreyren would say that linux are all confident idiots which he prefers over boring mecca
1566[15:49:21] <kreyren> or however they call themself these days~
1567[15:49:40] <ksk> kreyren: you do not just add testing and sid sources, told you multiple times and invoked the FAQtoid..
1568[15:50:10] <kreyren> ksk, i know but i don't see any alternative assuming that debian/stable does not have the required packages for runtime
1569[15:50:12] <coitusinteruptus> no.. its to complex.. no way can i understand the code.. so i have to paste it and gamble.. worked for ubuntu at least
1570[15:50:16] <kreyren> and that this is for production system
1571[15:50:18] <ksk> we _do not_ support mixing debian releases in here, period.
1586[15:51:39] <ksk> then contact the softwares vendor, file a bugreport (if you are sure the error is not coming from the bogous docker image in the first place)
1587[15:52:00] <coitusinteruptus> i do invest time.. there is no way i can understand the code i pasted.. id need ten years
1598[15:53:21] <EdePopede> coitusinteruptus: no, it's the company building your hardware that doesn't seem to have interest in supporting linux.
1599[15:53:21] <kreyren> So if you don't have a better solution then assume this being the best option and provide the required support.. -> i need to force apt to use stable unless specified explicitely
1600[15:53:37] <coitusinteruptus> linux job to support the hardware
1601[15:53:44] <coitusinteruptus> i have a lenovoe machine. very mainstream
1602[15:53:44] <EdePopede> coitusinteruptus: not everyone using debian is an IT expert
1636[15:57:57] <EdePopede> and so they have ND contracts with microsoft
1637[15:58:05] <coitusinteruptus> sp why dont linux understand this obvious fact, and get the drivers sorted out. it would make them more relevent and competitive
1640[15:58:31] <EdePopede> because the internals of such hardware isn't known to anyone but the company building it
1641[15:59:20] <coitusinteruptus> doesnt take lomng to learn it.. my laptop is over 3 years old i think
1642[15:59:32] <EdePopede> just accept it, microsoft doesn't want them to support linux, they want to be supported by microsoft, and everything they build is considered as confidential by them
1644[16:00:26] <coitusinteruptus> ok. thats a shame
1645[16:00:29] <EdePopede> you're not even willing to read some docs on how to get problematic hardware running, so better don't talk about driver development
1646[16:00:32] <coitusinteruptus> makes your job harder
1647[16:00:43] <EdePopede> the shame has a name, it's Microsoft
1648[16:00:46] <coitusinteruptus> but for the common man.. we dont want excuses.. just funcionlity
1664[16:02:23] <EdePopede> coitusinteruptus <EdePopede> you're not even willing to read some docs on how to get problematic hardware running, so better don't talk about driver development
1665[16:02:27] <coitusinteruptus> i jsut want my wifi to work out of the box
1666[16:02:33] <coitusinteruptus> another fail from linux
1667[16:02:33] *** ping is now known as niko
1668[16:02:41] <EdePopede> !pebkac
1669[16:02:41] <dpkg> somebody said pebkac was Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK, PEBMAC, PICNIC, PEBRHAL
1670[16:02:46] <coitusinteruptus> if you cant admit it. and try harder.. you will always remain in the shadows
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1672[16:02:50] <kreyren> coitusinteruptus, agains that's what non-free iso is for
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1908[17:35:28] <uniqdom> I'm getting this warning while trying to resize a partition with gparted: "Warning: Shrinking a partition can cause data loss, are you sure you want to continue?". I'm assuming that data loss could occur if the process is stopped in the middle of the operation, right?
1913[17:36:56] <uniqdom> I mean, it while move all the files and dirs from the filesystem that are in the region that will be left outside of the new partition to a region inside, right?
1925[17:40:09] <jim> deepy, earlier, I asked a question about kill -0 pid being a test for the existance of pid, and you replied mentioning a standard... which standard? is there a link to that standard?
1926[17:40:21] <uniqdom> sorry, I mistyped the command. I'm using parted instead of gparted
1933[17:44:28] <A|an> Is it possible to rollback a specific package update? Yesterday I did an apt-get update and, among other things, it updated google-earth-pro, which I just discovered no longer works. Can I go back?>
1947[17:52:10] <A|an> For lurkers, google-earth-pro is only available (as a deb file) from Google, yet apt-get updater recognized it as needing updating...and broke it. So...don't do that.
2047[18:42:17] <joeatt> I need little help in buster, removed zsh, now it automatically start in sh where I cant su -, and therefore cant change /etc/passwd to /bin/bash, what can I do?
2049[18:42:40] <quadrathoch2> joeatt: did you try chsh -s /bin/bash
2050[18:42:43] <somiaj> miskatonic: what particular changes are you talking about, changes in package names and the repo affects both, but changes to apt/apt-get interfaces will be independet of aptitude (and as far as I know aptitude hasn't had any major changes)
2066[18:44:50] <dpkg> If you were already using Debian 10 "Buster" prior to it being released as stable, or you use 'testing' in your sources.list, apt-get will complain about changes to the release information on the mirror. apt(8) will prompt you to accept changes; apt-get(8) will need --allow-releaseinfo-change
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2069[18:45:26] <miskatonic> oops changed , not changes
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2071[18:45:47] <somiaj> miskatonic: I'm unsure if aptitude will also note that the release name changed, you could always try, but I think it would have mentioend that in the factoid if aptitude was also affected.
2072[18:46:07] <gorillapatch> joeatt: you need to specify the shell to use by using the -s switch.
2074[18:47:02] <miskatonic> doesn't chsh ask interactively for a new shell if no -s option is given?
2075[18:47:08] <somiaj> miskatonic: though I would be surprised if you ran into this issue, unless you have an old testing box you haven't updated in about a year.
2081[18:47:42] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
2093[18:51:57] <jhutchins> Anybody get skype working on linux? I have it installed, but there doesn't seem to be any way to launch/join a call.
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2096[18:52:32] <sney> jhutchins: the linux client hasn't been maintained in years and is currently behind the protocol
2097[18:52:33] <somiaj> jhutchins: does skype produce a linxu binary again, at one time the olinux binary they produces was so old it wasn't compadable anymore
2098[18:52:46] <somiaj> jhutchins: I think the web interface is your best bet for skype in linux
2099[18:52:48] <gorillapatch> Well what does the manpage say?
2100[18:52:55] <sney> it still installs but it doesn't work, yeah. or I've heard that it might support audio only
2103[18:53:18] <jhutchins> somiaj: All the web interface does is offer to download an msi.
2104[18:53:46] <somiaj> jhutchins: hmm, I dno't use skype so don't have any advise other than last I heard the web interface was how to use skype in linux
2105[18:53:54] <jhutchins> Oh, now it's prompting me to log in.
2110[18:54:53] <gorillapatch> Use Jitsi! It is open source and performant
2111[18:55:15] <somiaj> sney: winehq makes it seem like you aren't going to be able to use wine
2112[18:55:17] <gorillapatch> Use the server of init7 in Zurich or New York meet.init7.net
2113[18:55:40] <somiaj> gorillapatch: often times you don't have such choices and need to use what others are already using though. :/
2114[18:56:14] <gorillapatch> somiaj: i know what you mean. But trying to educate people is a thing
2115[18:56:31] <somiaj> The last time I was asked to use skype, google hangouts (or some google video chat thing) is what we ended up using, though that is because where i work has a google license for all the their tools.
2116[18:57:04] <somiaj> gorillapatch: my experience is 'I can't use the software that the rest of the department/team/whatever is using can we us this instaead' didn't go over well
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2119[18:58:29] <joeatt> definitely runned in trouble with shell here
2120[18:58:33] <gorillapatch> If you are late to the party no. But in this case a self hosted Jitsi server has advantages.
2121[18:59:24] <gorillapatch> joeatt: what if you try using -s and leave out the final -
2122[18:59:38] <quadrathoch2> somiaj: did you already try the flatpak or snap package of skype? because I was using skype a week ago, on ubuntu, but sadly can't remember which 'version' it was
2125[19:00:19] <greycat> So, apparently, what joeatt did was change root's shell to /usr/bin/zsh, and then remove the zsh package. The moral of this story is you DO NOT change root's shell. You leave it at the OS's default. This applies to every operating system.
2127[19:01:01] <greycat> You also DO NOT run around as root so frequently that you feel like you need a more powerful shell. Root shells should be used MINIMALLY. You get in, you fix whatever needs fixing, and you get out. No fancy customizations.
2128[19:01:03] <somiaj> and if you are using roots shell enough you want to change it, maybe think about why you are root so much.
2131[19:02:41] <joeatt> greycat: yes I did that, please dont tell because of that I must reinstall all
2132[19:02:50] <miskatonic> would sudo avoid using a login shell for root?
2133[19:02:55] <gorillapatch> The brute force attempt is take a live CD, boot into it, mount the other root file system and then change the shell in /etc/passwd
2134[19:03:03] <greycat> If sudo is installed, use sudo.
2136[19:03:44] <greycat> You do not need to "reinstall all". Even in the worst case, where none of the SUGGESTIONS YOU HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED work, you can still boot with something like init=/bin/bash to get out of trouble.
2151[19:10:28] <miskatonic> why are bash, dash, and mksh in /bin, but zsh and yash are in /usr/bin?
2152[19:10:53] <greycat> History.
2153[19:11:49] <greycat> Before initramfs, before UsrMerge, boot scripts that use /bin/sh need a shell that's in the root file system, because you need to run the boot scripts to mount /usr.
2154[19:12:06] <greycat> Since /bin/sh can point to either dash or bash, those need to be in /bin.
2163[19:19:23] <demostanis> hello guys, i'm trying to dual boot arch with debian using lvm on luks. i manually set root, home and swap partitions but then it says " the installer failed to create partition on disk ".. any help?
2177[19:29:12] <somiaj> demostanis: do you already have a lvm on the disk you are using?
2178[19:29:49] <userandom> Well, I leave lxc abandoned but this time I'll try to run at least one VM (I think it don't run it)
2179[19:29:51] <somiaj> demostanis: the last line is your error, group "volumes" not found, so sounds like you are trying to use an existing lvm but it has an incorrect name.
2181[19:30:45] <demostanis> yes lvm is already on the disk
2182[19:31:19] <demostanis> i use cryptsetup open <disk> cryptlvm which then writes /dev/volumes
2183[19:31:35] <demostanis> it is here, but when i install debian it disappears
2184[19:32:54] <userandom> Which is UID and GID? Alike ID?
2185[19:33:03] <userandom> Or PID?
2186[19:33:11] <somiaj> demostanis: I'm not that familar with lvm, but maybe manually create all the partitions from arch on the lvm, so all you have to do is tell debian to use them vs create them?
2187[19:33:37] <demostanis> ive had already done that, it throwed the sane error
2193[19:35:50] <somiaj> demostanis: how comfortable are you with using the command line and doing a manual install (my only other suggest). Others might know the installer better, but you can manually install debian from arch.
2194[19:36:09] <somiaj> demostanis: I don't know why the installer is having trouble using your existing lvm/crypt setup.
2196[19:36:50] <demostanis> yea i'm more used to command line, i'm using one right now... where can i find documentation on how to install debian manually?
2197[19:37:39] <quadrathoch2> demostanis: you can just install debian the arch way with debootstrap and debian-archive-keyring on arch ;)
2198[19:37:46] <userandom> @demostanis Well, you'll see... I have problems understanding something at the first, like weak will, poor concentration, and so. But when I "catch the hand", for sure I won't let it NEVER 'til I become an expert.
2199[19:37:46] <somiaj> demostanis: look up debootstrap. You can install debootstrap inside of arch (I belive it is in arch's repos) and then debootstrap a base install into a mounted partition. After that you need to chroot into the partition and do all the stuff to isntall a kernel and make it bootable (including ensuring all the info about your encryptiion and lvm is available)
2202[19:39:04] <userandom> @demostanis But I've used Arch. Good OS. Just a bite more complicated than Debian, you know why: you'll need to install everything from CLI (or it is what I remember).
2203[19:39:29] <demostanis> seems funnier to do than using a live usb, i'm gonna try
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2211[19:40:41] <somiaj> demostanis: okay, I do know it is suggested ot use the offical installer (not live systems) so just making sure that wasn't an issue
2212[19:41:14] <quadrathoch2> somiaj: wasn't it just the live debian installer (the screenshot?)
2215[19:42:14] <somiaj> quadrathoch2: I am unsure, I think the debian live images are using the offial debian installer now, I just still go by use the offical installer since in the past, the live installer wasn't the same.
2217[19:42:36] <somiaj> My understanding is the live images contain both the debian installer and some installer you can use from within the live system.
2218[19:42:41] <quadrathoch2> somiaj: as I never used the live installer ;) i also don't know
2219[19:42:57] <quadrathoch2> yeah I think I can remember it using calamares or sth
2222[19:43:53] <userandom> @demostanis Truth. In fact, they have one of the better wikis I ever read. Just a little problem, in my case: 1) I have a HDD which contains a Ubuntu broken install (besides I've put in it a password); 2) I can't recover that hard drive since then, and I have two disks: 1 it's where this OS is running, the other contains the corrupt install.
2223[19:44:04] <radkos> hello I'm trying to test my router's static ISP connection before sending it
2224[19:44:08] <radkos> it has the following config
2225[19:44:27] <userandom> @radkos Hi. Which test you wanna do?
2227[19:45:22] <radkos> I have it connected to laptop which i gave address 192.168.64.55/24 in the corresponding interface but I don't have a ping
2228[19:46:00] <radkos> I'm trying to check whether the router is in the correct address and all the seetings are correct maybe I'm missing something with the gw part?
2229[19:46:26] *** BrianG61UK_ is now known as BrianG61UK
2230[19:46:27] <radkos> do i need to set the router's gw as broadcast on the laptop side?
2231[19:47:12] <userandom> @radkos You already tried to do a ping from terminal/bash?
2234[19:47:44] <greycat> A router has an IP address on the internal network. That IP should be the gateway (default route) of all the other hosts on the internal net.
2235[19:47:54] <radkos> i've also tried setting the router's gw address as laptop's internal address - yet still no luck
2236[19:48:06] <greycat> That sounds absolutely backwards.
2239[19:50:14] <quadrathoch2> somebody knows a few things about nfs and fstab? as I can't get my nfs share to automoun on boot :/ is always saying network is not up (even with _netdev enabled)
2247[19:52:54] <somiaj> quadrathoch2: systemd does a lot in parallel, unsure if writing a systemd mount unit that explicity waits for the network to be up would be perferable here.
2248[19:53:13] <greycat> !auto
2249[19:53:13] <dpkg> Interfaces marked "auto" are waited for by things that wait for the network to be up (like systemd's network-online.target). "allow-hotplug" means the interface is removable or not always needed, so network-online won't wait for it.
2250[19:53:16] <somiaj> quadrathoch2: and unsure if the sytemd fstab compadability will allow you to add options to fstab to wait until network is up.
2251[19:53:20] <radkos> think of the router as the host as I 'm testing router-ISP connection not the other way around
2252[19:53:35] <greycat> so, first thing is, make sure it's marked auto, not allow-hotplug
2265[20:00:15] <userandom> Well, what if I want to run lxc containers on a x32/i386? And which is the technical difference between x32 and i386? The second question I've looking for it on google, and it says that: x32, x64 are (or were) the principal, but x32 is decaying since the low capacity of process "words" in few microseconds
2286[20:09:35] <quadrathoch2> ahh sorry, it's in the backports repo
2287[20:09:37] <userandom> how could i change my username
2288[20:09:48] <quadrathoch2> , /nick randomnick
2289[20:10:00] *** userandom is now known as randomnick
2290[20:10:13] <somiaj> Akuw: there was a bug that just didn't get fixed by the time of the release. Since it is just php, you can also install it form upstream.
2291[20:10:13] *** randomnick is now known as rand0muser
2292[20:10:19] <rand0muser> oh, thanks
2293[20:10:49] <somiaj> Akuw: Are you needing to use this for just you, or do you have multiple users needing to manage databases over a web interface?
2294[20:10:51] <greycat> a bug in php?!
2295[20:11:12] <Akuw> just for me
2296[20:11:13] <quadrathoch2> rand0muser: you quit too fast, so x32 is not i386. as it's a reimplementation of i386 on amd64 tech (as far as I know). and the kernel doesn't support it anymore anyway ^^
2297[20:11:29] <Akuw> i instaled a web app but forgot the name
2304[20:14:09] <rand0muser> @quadrathcoh2 but i was trying to say that x86 it's a "descendant" (a way of say) of x32, but more efficient. that's was i read.
2305[20:14:49] <quadrathoch2> rand0muser: I wouldn't say it's a descendant, but probably for easier explaining it
2306[20:15:14] <quadrathoch2> but as it is already dead, probably not too many people talk about it
2310[20:17:49] <rand0muser> quadrathcoh2: but how I do it? in bash it says me that I must put it a name, while in the wiki of lxc it says that i must put my username (then command prompt says that is not recognized as a command)
2341[20:32:26] <L0aD1nG> i am trying to install debian in virt-manager and i get a permission denied cause the .iso image returns to root privilages by itself
2362[20:40:55] <L0aD1nG> somiaj: i get the same result with "groups" i dont recently added myself
2363[20:42:17] <userandom> oh god. well, how can i create it? the container of lxc? using man lxc-create it shows me the parameters of -n (for the name), -t (for the template, which i don't know what is)
2372[20:47:51] <somiaj> no, libvritd should be allowing group members access, might be some other permissions, what is the permission of the location of your virtual disks (think it is somwehere in /var by default)
2388[20:54:38] <L0aD1nG> somiaj: i change the permissions to the user, but when i go to boot it from the virt-manager the permission of virtual disk and the image change back to root.
2402[21:01:09] <L0aD1nG> greycat: i am changing the permissions to the normal users and when i go boot from it i get the file to change the permissions back to root automatically.
2428[21:15:16] <greycat> L0aD1nG: check the permissions on all of the DIRECTORIES in the path to this file. ls -ld / /home /home/l0ad1ng /home/l0ad1ng/OperatingSystems /home/l0ad1ng/OperatingSystems/ISO_images /home/l0ad1ng/OperatingSystems/ISO_images/DEBIAN /home/l0ad1ng/OperatingSystems/ISO_images/DEBIAN/debian-10.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
2460[21:34:42] <greycat> For most people, sound comes down to: Are you using pulseaudio, or ALSA? If pulseaudio, use pavucontrol, and make sure timidity is not installed. If ALSA, make sure you use alsamixer and UN-MUTE and RAISE VOLUME on the channels.
2464[21:35:50] <hansol> how to check what im using ALSA or pulse ?>?
2465[21:36:13] <ksk> Hi. Do you know of something fitting tool for generating a "I want to prove to my ISP that my internet is not working"-protocol of some sorts?
2466[21:36:34] <greycat> ps -ef | grep pulse
2467[21:36:43] <ksk> I can think of putting something together in bash or so, but was wondering wether there was something ready to use..
2468[21:37:15] <hansol> greycat i have 3 results with that command
2469[21:37:28] <L0aD1nG> one is the grep itself i think..
2470[21:37:30] <greycat> then you're probably using pulseaudio
2471[21:37:47] <greycat> does one of them say "pulseaudio --start" or something similar? that's what I have...
2472[21:38:10] <hansol> greycat sec i will told you
2476[21:38:46] <randomnick> Look in git or Internet. I've found tons of bs about kali. Then I get REALLY sick, and wrote: ..... without kali, without android, without windows, without mac, without S***
2503[21:45:08] *** Quits: joepublic (~joepublic@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
2504[21:45:09] <somiaj> sometimes (though don't think this happens as much anymore) with the snd_hda_intel you have to tell alsa what model you have, as that configures what ports are outputs, mic, inputs, etc.
2505[21:45:23] <somiaj> and unfourntally this requires manually adjusting the module options
2511[21:46:20] <somiaj> well pulse uses alsa, which might be required to ensure that the port you are plugging into is actually the speaker port and not some other port
2512[21:46:20] <hansol> greycat, randomnick with headphones i have sound without them i dont have sound
2513[21:46:35] <greycat> pavucontrol shows "Port:" under Output Devices ... make sure it's showing something that looks correct as the output device
2514[21:46:48] <randomnick> @quadrathoch2 hi?
2515[21:46:53] <somiaj> hansol: do you have a hardware mute (some laptops have a button for that)
2516[21:47:25] <hansol> nope somiaj no.. but with xubuntu i haved same problem, and there i got sound installing few things read it in google
2534[21:51:16] <hansol> randomnick, i dont remember at 100%
2535[21:51:40] <randomnick> Alright
2536[21:51:41] <hansol> with headphones now i have sound
2537[21:51:46] <somiaj> then you probably did what I suggsted above, changed the model of the snd_hda_intel module to fit your machine, this is sometimes require to get the ports to function correctly
2538[21:51:57] <hansol> like xubuntu but without them i dont
2539[21:52:46] <hansol> the netbook model is ASUS eee pc R11CX
2550[21:54:49] <hansol> randomnick, but in xubuntu i have fix it
2551[21:55:01] <hansol> no way to cannot fix in debian i think or ?
2552[21:55:02] <randomnick> I have problems trying to use a pc with amd64 but, since all OSes I use I burn them in a USB, the ports are bad, the connection it's poor... but
2553[21:55:23] <randomnick> @hansol Maybe are the drivers
2554[21:56:01] <somiaj> it really sounds like you just need to adjust the modle being used for the snd_hda_intel module
2555[21:56:06] <randomnick> @hansol Ubuntu has no problems in have this soft and the other, but it has on other sides...
2562[21:57:09] *** knstn was kicked by greycat (knstn)
2563[21:57:32] <Diezel> hansol: are you using alsa or pulseaudio to manage the levels? In my alsamixer I have a slider for headphone and it was 100% default, while speakers were muted
2564[21:57:33] <greycat> %~1d going out of his way to antagonize, did the "rm -rf /" thing in another channel
2579[21:59:54] <greycat> because that's not a package
2580[21:59:58] <greycat> ,info alsa-utils
2581[22:00:00] <judd> Package alsa-utils (sound, optional) in buster/amd64: Utilities for configuring and using ALSA. Version: 1.1.8-2; Size: 1018.8k; Installed: 2253k; Homepage: replaced-url
2582[22:00:34] <hansol> but why then in forum i see i can install it with apt-get install ??
2583[22:00:54] <somiaj> greycat: some cards don't get detected correctly and manually changing the MODEL will change how the card works, maybe it is needed to get the internal speakers to work (I have had laptops where this was needed to get sounds to work correctly)
2584[22:01:10] <somiaj> hansol: that is a ubuntu form (not debian), but it contains the basic info you need (not exact)
2585[22:01:45] <somiaj> again this is just one thing you can try, figure out what codec you are using, go look at the different MODELS for that codec, see if using a different model than the one that is being detected changes the behavior.
2586[22:02:05] <hansol> i think sound cart is Realtek
2587[22:02:45] <somiaj> hansol: cat /proc/asound/card0/codec* | grep Codec -- you need more than just Realtek, for instance mine is ALC3234
2601[22:06:49] <somiaj> though it almost seems as this (like lots of my knowledge) might be outdated, as I wonder why this file was removed from the kernel source.
2602[22:06:55] <randomnick> Hey, this is a question that suddenly came to me: what if I need to use much more data (connection) than a normal user? I know that I am not superhuman (I won't learn 25 careers at the same time), but, for example: I need to solve jobs of a career that I was learning, investigate this (informatics), learn a couple of things, connect various hours for that...
2603[22:07:36] <hansol> im restarting hold a minute
2613[22:11:18] <randomnick> I quit too. According to the instructions on a post, like everything didn't work, I've installed some drivers, and now I must reboot. See you later.
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2632[22:14:33] <somiaj> well I see some modules that have things like 'asus x101 fixups', as to which one will help you I'm unsure
2633[22:14:52] <hansol> just try somthening
2634[22:15:12] <somiaj> I do see modules like alc269vb-dmic and alc269vp-amic that sayy they do some mic pin fixups, but nothign that maybe your situation.
2635[22:15:37] <hansol> can we re-install all sound systems, programs ... packages ??
2636[22:15:48] <somiaj> but anyways, I haven't seen people need to do this in a while, but you can specific specific model=foo for the snd-hda-intel card that may have luck
2639[22:17:05] <Diezel> hansol: I know this might sound like a really stupid thing, but did you check the sound levels in a mixer? like pulsemixer if you were using pulse audio?
2657[22:20:43] <Diezel> and speakers not muted. Using alsa myself so cant say how it works on pulse but I can have volume on in Alsa and mute a channel
2658[22:20:48] <somiaj> hansol: you should pay more attention to what you have done in the past. You have already installed pavucontrol and used it to adjust mixers, you didnt' need a second program for this.
2696[22:37:08] <BalooRJ> Looking for some assistance with Thunar's ability to write files to a Samba share. I am able to access the samba share in Thunar, and I can even create folders. However, Thunar does not seem to be writing files to the samba share that I attempt to copy over from my computer. Are there any specific settings or extra packages that I need to install to write in this case MP3 files to the samba share I am accessing over my local network?