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1[00:00:06] <greycat> ,v npm
2[00:00:09] <judd> Package: npm on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; stretch-backports: 5.8.0+ds6-2~bpo9+1; buster: 5.8.0+ds6-4; buster-backports: 6.14.3+ds-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 6.14.4+ds-1; sid: 6.14.4+ds-1
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4[00:01:08] <somiaj> ska: sorry there is (as greycat pointed out) npm package, and various node-foo packages for node.js
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9[00:03:26] <greycat> npm/node is one of those things that moves too fast for stable. If you want a stable version, use whatever buster has, and be content. If you want bleeding edge features ("it's 6 days old! I CAN'T LIVE WITH THIS!") then do not use Debian packages of it, period. Just use upstream and enjoy the roller coaster.
10[00:04:23] <Ooze> I should back up all of /etc? I have my apache configs and stuff. Do I really need everything? replaced-url
11[00:04:47] <Acheron> you can never backup too much
12[00:05:03] <greycat> /etc and /home are the main things most people should back up, if they have to pick and choose
13[00:05:25] <greycat> if you have databases or other content in /var, then of course that becomes a high priority
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15[00:07:41] <somiaj> Ooze: /etc is also all text files and very small, even if you only need a few files in it that are different than the defaults, it is not worth picking and choosing when you can back up the whole thing.
16[00:08:09] <somiaj> My /etc is only 8Megs for instance
17[00:08:41] <greycat> mine's 7.5M on this buster desktop box... I have a wheezy server where it's 3.3M
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21[00:09:12] <greycat> hmm, 8.4M on the desktop box at work
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24[00:10:26] <Ooze> Alright, cool. Too bad /var isn't that small. Think I've just got a few things there that I can't replace
25[00:11:06] <somiaj> yea /var is a strange thing, also depends on your backup plan. But mail goes there, webpages are sometimes there, databases, all of the .deb's you downloaded with apt-get, and so on
26[00:12:03] <greycat> and log files
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28[00:12:17] <Ooze> Yeah, wondering if those are worth saving
29[00:12:31] <Ooze> ls
30[00:12:45] <somiaj> Ooze: depends on your recovery model
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32[00:13:04] <somiaj> Ooze: for example if you want to recover (vs reinstall), you will need all the dpkg info there
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35[00:14:08] <Ooze> /var/lib/dpkg? Okay. What about /var/log/ though? Aside from having backlogs, things should be cycling anyway right?
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43[00:19:13] <somiaj> Ooze: as I said, it really depends on your backup model. If all youw ant to do is backup data and configurations, and your restoring method is a complete reinstall, you won't need as much.
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46[00:19:33] <somiaj> Ooze: logs are useful to backup if say you want to go see what happened at the time your machine blew up by looking at your last backups.
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48[00:20:07] <somiaj> For instance your HD could become usless loosing all of your data, what would you want in that case?
49[00:20:25] <somiaj> They also suggest an offsite backup to help recover from yoru computer room burining down.
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96[00:59:14] <rpifan> well i decied to just share the ethernet connection from my old laptop to the new laptop
97[00:59:17] <rpifan> to set it up
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154[02:04:10] <qid|ydl> anyone know what the exact permissions/groups of /var/mail are supposed to be by default? I think mine got monkeyed with
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156[02:04:50] <dvs> qid|ydl, drwxrwsr-x 2 root mail 4096 Oct 28 2017 mail
157[02:05:00] <qid|ydl> probably due to the folder being created as part of ZFS setup
158[02:05:07] <dvs> And it must be Oct 28!!! '-)
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161[02:06:04] <qid|ydl> that's okay, I'll set an alarm to remind me to change it then :D
162[02:06:09] <qid|ydl> thanks!
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165[02:07:21] <qid|ydl> what are the permissions on the files in there? mine are pretty limited but it seems to work
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169[02:10:06] <dvs> qid|ydl, no files, just user directories who are owned by the user and belong to the mail group (both read/write)
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171[02:11:11] <qid|ydl> oh, is that maildir format? I'm just using mbox because this is only for administrative notifications, it will never get lots of traffic
172[02:12:05] <qid|ydl> the file is -rw------- [user] [user] and that seems to work so I guess that's good enough
173[02:12:31] <dvs> hmmmm... I think it needs to be accessable by the mail group
174[02:13:00] <qid|ydl> I would have assumed so but I can send mail that mutt can read
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176[02:13:40] <qid|ydl> and it definitely goes into that file
177[02:14:00] <somiaj> but what about recieveing mail, anyways, I see 660 for /var/mail/username on my system
178[02:14:05] <somiaj> with username.mail
179[02:14:14] <dvs> yup
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181[02:14:37] <cstls> Is there a way to get the volume level percentage via command line?
182[02:14:48] <qid|ydl> maybe it's because I'm also the one sending the mail? but when the directory permissions were wrong, exim definitely didn't work
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184[02:16:36] <somiaj> cstls: yes, though it might depend on if using pulse or alsa
185[02:17:08] <cstls> alsa
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187[02:17:35] <cstls> er sorry, pulseaudio yeah
188[02:18:06] <roylaprattep> somiaj: should i reopen the roundcube-core in buster-backports ticket, since it has been marked as fixed, but its not?!
189[02:18:14] <roylaprattep> replaced-url
190[02:18:15] <judd> Bug replaced-url
191[02:18:16] <roylaprattep> you remember?
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193[02:19:16] <r3> I'm wondering if there is a way to have grep override something set in the environment - can't seem to find a sensible answer - for example if this is set "GREP_OPTIONS=-i" how would you invoke grep to not ignore case
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196[02:19:55] <r3> (I first thought, oh, I will do '+i' but that's not a thing)
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198[02:20:55] <joepublic> man grep says --no-ignore-case
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201[02:21:54] <somiaj> roylaprattep: I would just wait, the fix is mearly backporting the missing libary which sometimes fixed bugs take a while for the fix to be uploaded.
202[02:22:20] <r3> joepublic! I swore I looked there. I must have overlooked it? hmmm
203[02:22:22] <somiaj> roylaprattep: also the bug is still open, it won't actually be closed until the fix is uploaded, 'fixed' just means they know what the problem is
204[02:22:53] <roylaprattep> oh ok, thanks!
205[02:22:55] <joepublic> happy to help :)
206[02:23:38] <r3> joepublic: that doesn't seem to be an option for me
207[02:23:52] <joepublic> odd.
208[02:24:28] <factor> I am having problems with my 4.19 or 5.6 kernel and desktop hanging every few seconds. Text mode works fine with Multiuser.target. If I run an older nvidia driver its better but was wondering if this is a common problem.
209[02:24:30] <joepublic> hmm, seems to be new in bullseye (on which I checked the man grep)
210[02:24:35] <r3> ah
211[02:24:51] <joepublic> explains why you didn't see it on the manpage
212[02:25:00] * r3 nods
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219[02:28:07] <r3> I just want to always use my favorite grep options except for when I don't and want to do a grep with some of the favorite options turned off. I suppose I could specifically unset GREP_OPTIONS - create an alias or something .... hmmm :(
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223[02:32:52] <somiaj> roylaprattep: GREP_OPTIONS="" grep ....
224[02:32:54] <somiaj> arg
225[02:32:55] <somiaj> r3: ^^
226[02:34:05] <r3> yeah, somiaj, I just mentioned unsetting it ... still :\
227[02:34:29] <qid|ydl> props to whoever wrote the Exim4Gmail wiki entry, worked like a champ and now I can email out via my gmail account
228[02:34:58] <qid|ydl> now I can rig up smartmontools and some other things to notify me via email or text if there's a problem
229[02:37:12] <somiaj> r3: just pointing out you can uset it for just that run, vs changing the variable globally
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231[02:38:18] <r3> somiaj ah right ok thanks
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233[02:44:10] <Ooze> I'd like to expand my root partition. I added space to sda, but I'm not seeing anything available under the partition table in parted replaced-url
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235[02:46:38] <somiaj> Ooze: did you use lvm or not?
236[02:46:48] <Ooze> Don't think so
237[02:46:54] <qid|ydl> if I had to take a guess I'd say the MBR partitioning isn't helping
238[02:46:57] <somiaj> this becomes way harder without lvm
239[02:46:58] <Ooze> Silly me, filled up my system while upgrading :
240[02:47:31] <factor> Appears mine was just a bad HDMI cable.
241[02:47:55] <Ooze> somiaj, it's only partitioned from the initial installation. How might I check?
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243[02:49:50] <qid|ydl> Ooze: can you boot into the system still? `lvs` can show some LVM information, certainly enough to tell if it's being used or not
244[02:50:40] <Ooze> I don't have lvm installed on debian. I am running this on an esxi host. I haven't rebooted since getting nospace errors near the and up of my dist-upgrade
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246[02:52:35] <qid|ydl> lvm (or zfs, btrfs, etc.) make it drastically easier because they handle distributing space to volumes instead of the partition table doing it
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250[02:55:54] <Oozemeister> Alright, well what if I don't have lvm? I've got to do this w/ parted
251[02:55:58] <Oozemeister> I'm half booted
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254[02:56:32] <Oozemeister> I've been looking at parted grow and rezie replaced-url
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256[02:57:51] <qid|ydl> Oozemeister: your other problem is you appear to have an MBR partition table, not GPT, so you have a logical partition in an extended partition
257[02:58:10] <qid|ydl> so you might have to grow the extended partition to be able to grow the logical one inside it
258[02:58:35] <qid|ydl> it's also strange that it shows as linux swap, I don't know if that actually matters
259[02:59:11] <qid|ydl> oh wait, no, that's an actual swap partition after the main partition?
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261[03:00:01] <qid|ydl> you might have to delete that to be able to resize the primary partition out further
262[03:00:19] <Oozemeister> system won't let me issue commands now
263[03:00:38] <qid|ydl> then recreate it and "reformat" it, but at least swap shouldn't have important data on it
264[03:00:56] <Oozemeister> How can I do anything when I can't even run parted on the system?
265[03:01:40] <qid|ydl> what's it doing? just not responding at all?
266[03:01:55] <Oozemeister> if prompted for root password, it won't let me enter
267[03:02:05] <Oozemeister> I'm starting to get ^M instead of letting me enter
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269[03:02:21] <qid|ydl> might be failing to write logs
270[03:02:33] <qid|ydl> can you boot it from rescue media?
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273[03:04:24] <Oozemeister> Well, I've just half upgraded to Buster. Should I use Buster media now?
274[03:05:04] <qid|ydl> probably, but you can do the repartitioning from there
275[03:05:48] <qid|ydl> having the system crash in the middle of an upgrade could leave it in a hosed state anyway, for what it's worth
276[03:06:14] <Oozemeister> :)
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323[03:49:31] <qid|ydl> hmm... pretty sure smartmontools has a bug
324[03:50:16] <qid|ydl> they say you can mail to multiple addresses by comma-delimiting them but the smartd-runner script doesn't support that
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349[04:18:29] <qid|ydl> looks like someone filed a bug for that problem in 2012... I know debian likes to take their time, but yikes
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396[05:03:21] <riverr> What is easiest way to create forever in background running application? I tried tmux and bash infinite while loop, also tried services but it seems very clunky to create and manage those
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402[05:05:44] <ansimita> riverr: have u tried nohup?
403[05:05:59] <riverr> nope i havent, how it works?
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406[05:07:13] <riverr> damn looks like that could suit my purposes
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429[05:38:33] <riverr> Is there any purpose of using nohup command with ampersand?
430[05:38:45] <riverr> It looks like the process will close if i close terminal if i dont have %
431[05:38:46] <riverr> &*
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445[05:54:23] <kingsley> What's the easiest web "content management system" package to administer? (Including, but not limited to, everything from pure retro html, wikis and Wordpress.)
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456[06:11:44] <factor> kingsley, wordpress has a huge ecosystem with a large repository of add ons.
457[06:14:40] <kingsley> factor: Yes, my impression is also that Wordpress is huge and versatile.
458[06:15:36] <kingsley> But, to be fair, sometimes huge apps take more time to administer than minimalist ones.
459[06:15:54] <kingsley> Like if they rely on a database.
460[06:16:18] <factor> You dont want to be too minimalist, but depends on your needs.
461[06:16:29] <kingsley> Does Wordpress depend on JavaScript?
462[06:16:30] <factor> or databases
463[06:16:41] <factor> It can
464[06:16:58] <factor> Many of the admin eco system uses it
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466[06:17:23] <factor> but its been around before high level js , so it has both options
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468[06:17:47] <somiaj> kingsley: what is your overall goal. I personally like jekyll and write in markdown, but this doesn't really work if you need multiple people to have access.
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470[06:17:56] <kingsley> factor: If it would be convenient, comfortable, and all those good things, feel free to elaborate on why I don't want to be too minimalistic.
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473[06:18:20] <somiaj> kingsley: is this something for you, a group of people, will they have shell access, do you want some version control and so on.
474[06:18:36] <kingsley> somiaj: Thank you very much for your polite and thoughtful question.
475[06:19:02] <factor> I like the word fence plugin, it detects users trying to do exploits , or malware detectors etc..
476[06:19:07] <kingsley> somiaj: I'm happy to report I'll be the only administrator.
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478[06:19:38] <factor> Im the only admin on mine and I use wordpress.
479[06:19:49] <somiaj> kingsley: will others need to be able to add content, or are you controling all content too?
480[06:19:55] <factor> But I have lots of assets to manage.
481[06:20:09] <kingsley> somiaj: I'd like to ease the administrative time and burden, and maximize the robustness of, 3 web sites that have
482[06:20:09] <factor> I control all of my content
483[06:20:18] <somiaj> kingsley: I personally prefer static sites with nginx, and then use a tool like jekyll to build them.
484[06:20:19] <kingsley> 1.) text
485[06:20:36] <factor> mine is anything but static
486[06:20:41] <kingsley> 2.) images in .png and .gif format,
487[06:20:45] <kingsley> 3.) PDFs and
488[06:20:51] <factor> You can check out mine @ userspace.org
489[06:20:54] <kingsley> 4.) video in .webm format.
490[06:21:26] <factor> its Wordpress on a basic hosting site.
491[06:21:33] <somiaj> kingsley: what about theming and design, do you nkow a bit of html and css that you could write stuff, or need some presetup theme?
492[06:21:52] <kingsley> 5.) For simplicity, no database.
493[06:21:54] <somiaj> factor: what part of your site is dynamic (ddin't want to go through it)
494[06:22:06] <factor> all the parts are
495[06:22:11] <factor> from top to bottom
496[06:22:13] <kingsley> 6.) To respect visitors' privacy, no JavaScript.
497[06:22:31] <somiaj> kingsley: Myabe look at jekyll, you can apt install jekyll in debian replaced-url
498[06:22:44] <kingsley> 7.) A field that lets visitors search the site for key words.
499[06:22:51] <somiaj> factor: so you have users in your site and content is built based on the user?
500[06:22:58] <factor> I have a list of cms on my site also
501[06:23:13] <factor> but the softalousous has many more
502[06:23:26] <factor> If you go to the foss tab and server icon
503[06:23:44] <factor> I want to put a section for cms's though many foss cms exist
504[06:23:51] <kingsley> factor: How long have you been administering your web site? A week? A year? A decade?
505[06:24:14] <factor> this current one a year but I have had it since 2001
506[06:24:29] <factor> It started out zope
507[06:24:35] <factor> Which was python version of wordpress
508[06:24:51] <factor> But has since went by the way side and I moved to wordpress
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511[06:25:38] <factor> kingsley, what language do you like to program in or work with?
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516[06:27:04] <kingsley> factor: I visited userspace.org. You seem to me to have chosen artistic colors. I hope you enjoy being creative.
517[06:27:22] <factor> :)
518[06:27:37] <factor> I tried to use all the latest tech
519[06:28:35] <kingsley> By the way, at least in my privacy conscious web browser, a narrow row of 5 images appears to be missing from the upper right corner of the main page. The appear to be links to facebook, twitter and others.
520[06:28:39] <factor> i tried to use react it was too bland for my taste, it was like using text only
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523[06:29:05] <factor> kingsley, what browser?
524[06:29:07] <kingsley> somiaj: I'll control all the content.
525[06:29:36] <kingsley> somiaj: I know some html. No css.
526[06:30:06] <somiaj> kingsley: there are lots of choices. I personally find writing in markdown and using somethign like jekyll to create a static site easy to manage, and since it has no database, logins, and so on, it has a very minimial attack surface
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529[06:31:07] <somiaj> kingsley: wordpress is really popular, contains a wysiwyg editor, and lots of premade themes to make a lot of the theming easy and producing content more visual.
530[06:31:31] <somiaj> kingsley: but it also is so popular bots will constantlly try to hack it and increases your attack surface.
531[06:31:41] <factor> yup you can drop down to be just a blogger and write text with minimal html
532[06:32:04] <somiaj> kingsley: but at some level it will take time to learn what ever system you go with.
533[06:32:17] <factor> yes
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535[06:33:03] <factor> Mediawiki or wordpress are good depending on what you end goal is.
536[06:33:16] <factor> But both use database
537[06:33:39] <factor> and both have support here on irc
538[06:34:07] <factor> kingsley, you never said what browser you are using
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540[06:35:10] <somiaj> browser shouldn't really matter anymore, the differences between them are mostly nill these days
541[06:35:40] <kingsley> factor: I love using array programming languages like APL and j. I see them as tools for thought that increase my productivity. But, as a practical matter, I use the bash shell and python much more often.
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543[06:37:00] <factor> Plone is a cms that is python like that of wordpress replaced-url
544[06:37:08] <somiaj> kingsley: I would pick something, install it and see what you think. Debian has both wordpress (if you want a database driven site) and jekyll if you want static (sure others can list a few dozen more tools)
545[06:37:49] <factor> Jekyll is written in Ruby
546[06:38:25] <somiaj> yea, but you don't really have to know any ruby to use it
547[06:38:35] <somiaj> just like you don't need to know php to use wordpress
548[06:39:10] <kingsley> factor: You asked "what browser?" I accessed your fine site with TOR Browser.
549[06:39:33] <factor> Django cms is written in python and common frameworkreplaced-url
550[06:39:47] <factor> kingsley, okay good to know wil test it out
551[06:40:40] <kingsley> somiaj: Thank you for so patiently and generously sharing you informed thoughts. All are fine qualities!
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553[06:41:05] <factor> ths site beats mine for amount of FOSS CMS replaced-url
554[06:41:30] <factor> you have many to choose from we gave you a few popular ones
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556[06:42:15] <factor> I think all of those are php though
557[06:42:23] <factor> But more to pick from
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564[06:45:54] <factor> But thanks for the debug info I had recently added caching plugin and parts were dissapearing. though I had worked out all of thoes issues, but some may exist on the tor browser.
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569[06:49:38] <factor> kingsley, also look like I did nothave tor on my site yet. needed to add that browser to my FOSS list.
570[06:51:07] <kingsley> factor: TOR Browser's claim to fame is protecting privacy.
571[06:52:44] <aaro> tor browser is just firefox
572[06:53:59] <kingsley> aaro: It seems to me that TOR Browser = Firefox + TOR
573[06:55:10] <aaro> that's what i meant, it's not a different browser just firefox using the tor network
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577[06:58:37] <factor> kingsley, yes, I had heard of it, just forgot to put it on my site.
578[06:59:11] <factor> my site should work well for firefox and chrome. I use the firefox dev edition to work on it.
579[06:59:45] <factor> But may have some cache issue, it thinks you already have the content so does not send it, will debug it.
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586[07:05:00] <factor> kingsley, the icons at the top appear on my version of Tor.
587[07:05:18] <factor> It may have just been a slow server point
588[07:05:42] <factor> its on a free site. nice but not always the fastest , good enough though
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591[07:06:22] <Kurogane> I've problem with using dpkg-buildpackage -uc -b, give me this error "dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 10) libexpat-dev libgd-dev libgeoip-dev libhiredis-dev libluajit-5.1-dev libmhash-dev libpam0g-dev libpcre3-dev libperl-dev libssl-dev libxslt1-dev po-debconf quilt"
592[07:06:29] <factor> But will add Tor to my list of FOSS goodies
593[07:06:47] <somiaj> Kurogane: have you done apt build-dep packagename
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597[07:09:26] <Kurogane> somiaj, Do you mean this? apt build-dep debhelper libexpat-dev libgd-dev libgeoip-dev libhiredis-dev libluajit-5.1-dev libmhash-dev libpam0g-dev libpcre3-dev libperl-dev libssl-dev libxslt1-dev po-debconf quilt?
598[07:10:35] <somiaj> Kurogane: no, the packagename of the package you want to build
599[07:10:59] <somiaj> Kurogane: you also need a deb-src line for this
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604[07:18:11] <Kurogane> somiaj, not really sure what you mean, but this package is not buster but stretch yes, in stretch i don't have this issue but in buster i have this issue.
605[07:19:00] <Kurogane> somiaj, i need package in main and buster-backports deb-src to this work?
606[07:19:20] <somiaj> you need a deb-src line of the package you want to build, so you can apt build-dep packagename
607[07:19:39] <somiaj> because the deb-src package info is what you need for the build dependencies
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609[07:25:59] <Kurogane> i have and still error, in buster, update and buster-backports
610[07:26:32] <somiaj> ,v debhelper
611[07:26:33] <judd> Package: debhelper on amd64 -- jessie: 9.20150101+deb8u2; jessie-security: 9.20150101+deb8u2; stretch: 10.2.5; stretch-backports: 12.1.1~bpo9+1; buster: 12.1.1; buster-backports: 12.9~bpo10+1; bullseye: 12.10; sid: 13
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615[07:30:37] <WoC``> heh, lucky 13 ;]
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619[07:34:19] <Kurogane> somiaj, well i got this work install manually all deps packages, very weird i never install any packages only build-essential dpkg-dev, nothing more or less.
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635[08:01:27] <jteppinette> Any have experience with the TbSync Thunderbird plugin not being activated in Thunderbird after installing via the `webext-tbsync` package (even after restarting Thunderbird).
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689[09:17:23] <otnegy> hello all
690[09:17:29] <luna_> hi
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692[09:18:24] <otnegy> anyone experienced auto abort apt upgrade nowdays on stretch? "Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Abort." is it a bug?
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694[09:19:09] <otnegy> I use Debian for about 20 years, but this is scary
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713[09:30:04] <xzcvczx> if you have a PACKAGE file from an old version of debian/derivative of is there an easy way to get a recursive deps list for a package?
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719[09:33:13] <no_gravity> Good Morning
720[09:33:16] <no_gravity> On the command line, is it possible to "sleep until the file xyz.txt is deleted"?
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722[09:33:51] <otnegy> ok, it looks something happened with my screen session. unable to open the stdin, and that coused this strange behavior. never happened before :o
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724[09:35:41] <otnegy> no_gravity: lmgtfy: replaced-url
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728[09:36:43] <no_gravity> otnegy: Let me try that ...
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813[11:08:57] <dokma> I've forwarded eth0 to wlan0 using iptables but now my dns lookups do not work. I used this guide: replaced-url
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816[11:11:23] <Santzes> ,v smplayer
817[11:11:24] <judd> Package: smplayer on amd64 -- jessie: 14.9.0~ds0-1; stretch: 16.11.0~ds0-1+deb9u1; buster: 18.10.0~ds0-1; bullseye: 19.10.2~ds0-1; sid: 19.10.2~ds0-1
818[11:11:26] <Santzes> ,v mpv
819[11:11:27] <judd> Package: mpv on amd64 -- jessie: 0.6.2-2; stretch: 0.23.0-2+deb9u2; stretch-security: 0.23.0-2+deb9u2; buster: 0.29.1-1; bullseye: 0.32.0-1; sid: 0.32.0-1; stretch-multimedia: 1:0.27.2-dmo1+deb9u1; buster-multimedia: 1:0.29.1-dmo2; bullseye-multimedia: 1:0.32.0-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 1:0.32.0-dmo2
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829[11:18:57] <mirazi_heket> hello, im on debian 8, i have followed instructions for lts repositories but i receive errors replaced-url
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843[11:30:42] <sufy> hi i can't boot into recovery right now, the root console is locked and screen won't display a command line for me
844[11:31:57] <dokma> mirazi_heket: are you doing this as root?
845[11:32:13] <mirazi_heket> dokma: yes
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847[11:32:49] <dokma> can you ping deb.debian.org
848[11:33:15] <mirazi_heket> replaced-url
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853[11:34:19] <dokma> mirazi_heket: looks like you got banned on the debian side. Can you try a mirror?
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858[11:34:45] <dokma> ftp.us.debian.org
859[11:35:01] <dokma> Or Turkey if it's closer to you.
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861[11:36:24] <mirazi_heket> with us its same stuff, tried today with German mirror aswell
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864[11:37:26] <dokma> wget replaced-url
865[11:37:45] <dokma> mirazi_heket: try if wget can get through
866[11:38:45] <mirazi_heket> 403
867[11:39:16] <dokma> dang it... looks like you are somehow banned
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869[11:39:26] <dokma> are you on some fishy ISP?
870[11:39:52] <mirazi_heket> well, i am trying from corporate ISP (company env)
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872[11:40:52] <dokma> I just tried wget replaced-url
873[11:40:59] <dokma> At least I cannot see anything else.
874[11:41:07] <dokma> Can you setup a proxy for yourself?
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883[11:47:24] <mirazi_heket> i will ask people in job, thats work in progress already
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895[11:51:22] <mirazi_heket> btw issue seems specific to debian8
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907[11:59:55] <mirazi_heket> eh, sorry, looks like someone WAS testing proxy :)
908[11:59:59] <mirazi_heket> treat issue as solved
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923[12:12:35] <sufy> hi, for a snap program that fails to run correctly on debian called olive-editor because it cannot load glx how can i go about rectifying it
924[12:13:37] <jjakob> paste.debian.net doesn't want to take my paste "do not spam" even though I last pasted there a month ago
925[12:14:08] <jjakob> using a static ip from the isp so it can't be my ip
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927[12:17:14] <miskatonic> is the olive editr installed as a deb package?
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938[12:25:13] <Haohmaru> i got this particular USB flashstick, when i mount it with pcmanfm, i can only view the contents (sorta) but i can't put stuff in it, i plugged another one now, mounted it the same way, and when i ls -l /media/myuser/ i see that the first one says root, not myuser
939[12:25:19] <Haohmaru> wtf did i do wrong?!
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942[12:26:03] <Haohmaru> i formatted the first one as ext4, while the second one is some random one that looks like it contains debian10 netinst or so
943[12:27:06] <Haohmaru> ..formated it with gparted, not sure if i did something wrong there, but i get a "lost+found" folder in it
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950[12:30:34] <EdePopede> Haohmaru: sounds like the 1st has some linux typical fs on it (ext4?) with tht usuall access management (root:root 755), the 2nd some kind of FAT (32?)
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953[12:31:11] <Haohmaru> yes, the first one had some crap, i formatted it with gparted to ext4
954[12:33:35] <EdePopede> Haohmaru: are there entries in fstab or do you mount manually? i only used a GUI fm when i was for a really short time on lxde and it was odd. created temporary mountpoints in /mnt or /media, but the thing was i didn't have write access to them.
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956[12:34:13] <Haohmaru> i use the filemanager as always
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958[12:34:40] <Haohmaru> plug it in, filemanager shows it in the tree - if i click on it - it mounts it into /media/myuser/ and i can do sh*t
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960[12:34:58] <Haohmaru> PCManFM
961[12:35:25] <EdePopede> if your problem is with the 1st (ext formatted) stick you could chown $UID:$GID or chmod to 777. or create a dir for your user in it.
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964[12:36:23] <Haohmaru> why is this happening tho
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969[12:37:49] <EdePopede> try mounting it from the shell as user. may be the fm mounts it with some kind of SUID root process or whatever. i suspected it doing so in lxde, but didn't find out what it really was.
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971[12:38:25] <Haohmaru> all other usb flash sticks i've used before, the same way, worked fine
972[12:38:39] <EdePopede> with their original fs?
973[12:38:52] <Haohmaru> the 2nd one i plugged in "works" fine, ls -l shows it as myuser, not root
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975[12:39:13] <EdePopede> mounted as user with 'users' option in fstab i guess
976[12:39:24] <Haohmaru> not fstab
977[12:39:27] <Haohmaru> i don't touch fstab
978[12:39:43] <Haohmaru> i click on it with pcmanfm
979[12:40:06] <EdePopede> mount doesn't take any parameters from users, only from root. and you need at least a defined mountpoint.
980[12:40:34] <EdePopede> which you may provide by fstab or command line
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982[12:40:41] <Haohmaru> how does pcmanfm decide to mount stick2 as myuser, but stick1 as root?!
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984[12:41:48] <EdePopede> stick1 is a linuy typical fs, stick2 a dos/windows typical fs, correct?
985[12:42:08] <EdePopede> linux actually
986[12:42:28] <Haohmaru> stick1 i just made ext4, need to put a bunch of files and get them home, where i have debian too
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988[12:42:44] <Haohmaru> i chose ext4 because, i don't know..
989[12:42:51] <EdePopede> stick1:/ belongs to root, stick2:/ belongs to whoever mounts it
990[12:42:55] <Haohmaru> stick2 looks like it has debian netinstall in it
991[12:43:21] <Haohmaru> so this happens because it's ext4?
992[12:43:26] <EdePopede> *nod*
993[12:44:00] <Haohmaru> what format do i make it so i can transfer a bunch of files from one debian to another debian without going into terminal h4x0r mode?
994[12:44:10] <EdePopede> chmod/chown/mkdir, your 3 options
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996[12:45:14] <EdePopede> terminal isn't h4x0r, it just became a look-a-like after most people started with some M$ crap OS with a useless CMD.EXE
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998[12:45:34] <EdePopede> depends on what you want to keep
999[12:45:36] <Haohmaru> i mean.. this should be easy
1000[12:46:06] <Haohmaru> you plug a USB flashstick, you don't care about its contents, you "wipe it out" quickly so you can put a bunch of files on it
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1002[12:46:11] <EdePopede> filenames are a potential problem on DOS formatted sticks, also filesize depending on the FAT version used
1003[12:46:23] <Haohmaru> i don't wanna have to websearch for scary commands x_x
1004[12:47:01] <EdePopede> you wipe it out if you have write access to it. so you are root or the owner of the files and directories
1005[12:47:21] <Haohmaru> i ran gparted, that asks for root access
1006[12:47:25] <EdePopede> you can't assume everyone has the same UID, some people use more than 1 user account on their debian boxes
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1008[12:47:39] <Haohmaru> i don't even know what UID is
1009[12:48:03] <EdePopede> ls -l1 vs. ls -ln
1010[12:48:06] <EdePopede> your user id
1011[12:48:14] <EdePopede> really, that's basics
1012[12:48:33] <Haohmaru> what do you mean?
1013[12:48:36] <EdePopede> may be the reason that you're trying so hard to stay away from the terminal
1014[12:49:23] <EdePopede> protection mechanisms. having been there since the early UNIX days. one of the reasons why linux isn't flooded with malware like windows.
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1017[12:50:19] <EdePopede> takes just a weekend to get into these things and helps avoiding such trivial problems by simply understanding what's going on
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1021[12:51:53] <EdePopede> you can't change other user's files on your linux box, and that's a good thing. also doesn't work the other way round
1022[12:52:21] <Haohmaru> i want an EMPTY flash stick
1023[12:52:31] <Haohmaru> i thought i achieved that already
1024[12:52:58] <Haohmaru> there's no "other users' files" in it
1025[12:52:59] <EdePopede> it's not empty. you'd use dd for this. you created a file system.
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1027[12:53:17] <Haohmaru> what should i've done then?!
1028[12:53:28] <EdePopede> "other user" means a user with a different UID
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1030[12:54:38] <EdePopede> usually you don't have 2 users with the same UID, so if you have 2 users and you send one a ext4 formatted stick with files in a directory belonging to you than only one of them is normally allowed to delete them
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1034[12:55:45] <EdePopede> Haohmaru: reformat the stick with some FAT fs, but then be prepared for issues. or keep it as-is and set the root fs _of the stick_(!!!) to chmod 777.
1035[12:55:54] <Haohmaru> found something saying "File systems like ext4, ext3 stores file ownership information with the pen drive itself." and suggests doing chown -hR nobody:nogroup /media/blahblah
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1042[12:57:05] <EdePopede> iirc FAT32 is default, but it doesn't handle big files (3GB? 4GB?) as in "ISO DVD image". and that's where exFAT comes in. as i said, "iirc"
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1044[12:57:09] <EdePopede> !exfat
1045[12:57:10] <dpkg> exFAT (Extended File Allocation Table, <MBR> partition ID 0x07) is a proprietary file system designed for flash drives. A <FUSE> driver providing exFAT read/write support is packaged for Debian as exfat-fuse. replaced-url
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1048[12:59:29] <EdePopede> replaced-url
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1050[12:59:56] <EdePopede> i never used this user account, it just was always there. and i remember some daemons running under this account long ago.
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1054[13:00:41] <EdePopede> after all it's just a user account with UID 65534
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1056[13:01:05] <Haohmaru> i tried it and it doesn't seem to work.. still i'm not allowed to create a folder x_x
1057[13:01:23] <xzcvczx> Haohmaru: because you are not powerful enough
1058[13:01:24] <EdePopede> heh, the pdf
1059[13:01:42] <EdePopede> Haohmaru: "other user", remember?
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1061[13:02:03] <EdePopede> you are root, you can do everything, you are not root, you stay with your own files
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1066[13:03:32] <xzcvczx> hmm if you run debootstrap --print-debs .... --variant=buildd ........, it doesn't show the build-essential and deps debs
1067[13:03:39] <EdePopede> Haohmaru: if you want to stay with the ext4 fs on the stick (avoiding problems with large files and weird filenames) the easiest approach is to chmod the root dir of the stick to 777. everyone can do everything now on it.
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1070[13:04:16] <EdePopede> or, alternatively, create a dir on it and chmod 777 it.
1071[13:04:21] <Haohmaru> i wanna take the files home, work on them, then bring them back, basically
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1073[13:04:37] <xzcvczx> Haohmaru: whats your umask for your mounted devices
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1075[13:04:56] <Haohmaru> umask? i don't know
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1077[13:05:05] <EdePopede> xzcvczx: no fstab entries
1078[13:05:27] <xzcvczx> EdePopede: yeah but doesn't the automount systetm have an option
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1080[13:05:29] <EdePopede> and pcmanfm (gui fm!) doing some magic
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1082[13:05:38] <xzcvczx> which ever automount thing debian uses
1083[13:06:03] <EdePopede> i stopped doing auto things in Windows 98 SE ;)
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1086[13:07:33] <EdePopede> this maybe? replaced-url
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1089[13:09:04] <Haohmaru> i got it working with chmod -R 777
1090[13:09:10] <Haohmaru> but mission aborted >:(
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1092[13:09:54] <xzcvczx> Haohmaru: can you pastebin $ mount
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1094[13:10:44] <xzcvczx> or /quit
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1096[13:11:37] <EdePopede> "udevinfo is missing in Squeeze and Sid." -- ouch. "Sid" shouldn't be used here.
1097[13:11:51] <xzcvczx> but its fun living on the wild side
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1261[15:59:17] <johnfg> hi all!
1262[15:59:56] <johnfg> Just wondered if anyone has figured out why systemctl --user <whatever.service> is giving an error?
1263[16:00:17] <johnfg> I asked over in #systemd, but didn't get any help.
1264[16:00:18] <greycat> it wants a subcommand (verb)
1265[16:00:27] <greycat> systemctl --user ACTION servicename
1266[16:01:22] <johnfg> Yes. I just left it out to show, but that would stop it.
1267[16:01:48] <greycat> !exact
1268[16:01:48] <dpkg> Please tell us exactly what you typed, and exactly what the error was. Please use a <pastebin> like replaced-url
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1270[16:02:06] <johnfg> Failed to enable unit: Process org.freedesktop.systemd1 exited with status 1
1271[16:02:38] <johnfg> That's the error, with enable as the verb. start is almost the same.
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1273[16:02:54] <greycat> Why the hell can't you just PASTE THE ACTUAL COMMAND?
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1275[16:03:02] <greycat> Was it "systemctl --user enable org.freedesktop.systemd1"?
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1278[16:04:10] <greycat> OK, so, like, your fucking super top secret service name is so mission critical that you can't reveal it. Bye. *plonk*
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1284[16:05:04] <greycat> At least now we've solved the mystery of why nobody in #systemd could help him either.
1285[16:05:06] <johnfg> Here are the 2 cmdssssssssss: replaced-url
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1294[16:10:05] <johnfg> My desktop environment is Cinnamon, fwiw.
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1304[16:18:31] <badsektr_> bro this "dash to panel" extension to gnome made my debian look like windows 7
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1331[16:39:33] <Emery> Does anyone know if the Windows Loader is still supported? I'm reviving an old laptop and I seem to be getting a kernel panic on reboot
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1338[16:41:52] <Emery> "initramfs unpacking failed write error" I'm assuming this is because the Kernel is too modern for the old ass CPU sat in the laptop
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1340[16:42:08] <badsektor> how to improve gnome look with widgets?
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1343[16:43:10] <badsektor> Emery, you should try #linux this place seems dead
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1345[16:43:33] <Emery> It's debian specific really, I'm using the Debian Windows Loader
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1378[17:08:47] <Ooze> Am I misunderstanding /opt? I thought it was acceptable to use as storage space for some application configurations. Seems like it's been reset a few times. My files disappear or go back to a previous version
1379[17:09:29] <greycat> Debian does not touch /opt. It's there for you.
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1381[17:09:50] <greycat> Anything that's happening to it is because of something you did, or hardware failure, or something like that.
1382[17:10:44] <Ooze> Okay. Guess I'm not backing up rtorrent .sessions properly or something
1383[17:10:57] <Ooze> Thanks
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1390[17:13:53] <deathmetal> i have problem install sendmail in Debian 10
1391[17:13:57] <deathmetal> not working
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1396[17:15:58] <Oozemeister> I seem to be getting a lot of long running stop jobs every time I reboot. This time it's going over my partitions (which I did recently shuffle around) It's been going on for multiple boots though. Will this stop, or is there something I should be doing?
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1418[17:30:30] <Serajewe1KS> Oozemeister: what is "going over?"
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1420[17:30:53] <Oozemeister> A stop job is running for /dev/* -- various devices
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1422[17:31:35] <SerajewelKS> are they LVM LVs?
1423[17:31:38] <Oozemeister> Also failed to deactivate my swap. I just had to move my swap file to add more to my volume yesterday
1424[17:31:39] <Oozemeister> No
1425[17:31:58] <SerajewelKS> weird. usually if it's doing things like unmounting filesystems it'll give the mountpoint, not the dev node.
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1427[17:32:32] <SerajewelKS> usually you don't have to deactivate swap on reboot unless your swap is on iscsi or something and the connection is going away
1428[17:32:34] <Oozemeister> Runs 30mins until timeout each boot
1429[17:32:44] <SerajewelKS> wait do you have a swap volume or a swap file?
1430[17:32:53] <Oozemeister> A volume, I believe
1431[17:33:05] <greycat> if your system is under spec on RAM, you might be unable to swapoff because something's using too much memory
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1433[17:33:25] <Oozemeister> 8GB, shouldn't be a problem
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1436[17:34:05] <SerajewelKS> the only thing i've seen do "stop job is running for /dev/..." would be LVs and maybe swap volumes
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1438[17:34:16] <SerajewelKS> but i might be misremembering
1439[17:34:26] <Oozemeister> sda5 is my swap partition I think
1440[17:34:51] <Oozemeister> partuuid and scsi are the other two looks like
1441[17:35:06] <SerajewelKS> assuming you have enough RAM for everything right now, does "swapoff -a" run quickly and free show 0 total swap after it completes?
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1443[17:35:26] <SerajewelKS> the other two what?
1444[17:35:27] <Oozemeister> Can't issue commands right now, stop job is running. How can I kill the job?
1445[17:36:00] <SerajewelKS> ctrl-alt-del might do it, otherwise you can power cycle
1446[17:36:00] <Oozemeister> It's running 3 jobs. One for /dev/sda5, one for /dev/disk/../0-scsi.... one for /dev/disk/-partuuid
1447[17:36:23] <SerajewelKS> there's a directory /dev/disk/by-partuuid
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1449[17:36:40] <SerajewelKS> if it's doing something with /dev/disk/-partuuid then something is definitely wrong
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1452[17:36:49] <SerajewelKS> that probably doesn't even exist
1453[17:37:14] <Oozemeister> As I mentioned earlier, I moved everything aroudn in gparted yesterday to expand my first partition
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1455[17:37:31] <Oozemeister> May have messed up something w/ that. Or I need to reconfigure my fisk idk
1456[17:37:34] <SerajewelKS> this is a good case for LVM ;)
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1460[17:38:48] <SerajewelKS> TBH i don't know enough about systemd to dig much further
1461[17:39:12] <SerajewelKS> but /dev/disk/-partuuid makes me think that one of the systemd probers misidentified something
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1463[17:40:09] <SerajewelKS> Oozemeister: can you pastebin your /etc/fstab?
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1496[17:56:51] <Ooze> hi I disconnected
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1499[17:57:45] <Ooze> Oh. Yeah, I would like to use lvm. I just figure I have to reinstall my whole system. Is there a way to somehow change to lvm without needing to do that?
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1508[18:07:14] <careta> hey guys
1509[18:07:20] <careta> is it safe to delete the whole /usr/local directory?
1510[18:07:25] <careta> I just want to purge all the crap in it
1511[18:07:38] <careta> if I kill it, would a package I install later with /usr/local create it?
1512[18:07:44] <careta> I mean with make install
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1515[18:08:38] <SerajewelKS> Ooze: yes, it's possible, though not straightforward
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1518[18:11:22] <SerajewelKS> Ooze: or i guess it depends on how familiar you are with the command line and LVM tools
1519[18:12:13] <jhutchins> careta: It's best to figure out how files got in /usr/local and why they're there instead of somewhere else.
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1521[18:12:35] <careta> jhutchins, there are hundreds, not really doable
1522[18:12:40] <jhutchins> careta: Just deleting files for the sake of "cleaning up" is a bad idea. At the very least, make a backup first.
1523[18:12:51] <careta> I know it's not gonna break anything that I know
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1525[18:13:18] <jhutchins> careta: How did they get there? Why are they there?
1526[18:13:28] <careta> jhutchins, I have backups - but my question is whether a future package will recreate the necessary dirs or I need to do it by hand
1527[18:13:29] <SerajewelKS> this is also why i don't use /usr/local as the prefix for stuff i compile and install. i make a directory in /opt and put it there, then make symlinks in /usr/local/bin
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1530[18:13:56] <careta> jhutchins, this is my desktop system, which I have in rolling release for 12 years, and I've worked with it every day, do dev work etc so who knows
1531[18:14:30] <SerajewelKS> the /opt technique also allows me to have multiple versions of the same thing installed at the same time
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1534[18:15:47] <SerajewelKS> careta: if you want to purge it, it might be better to install debian in a VM or chroot (debootstrap) and then copy its pristine /usr/local to your system
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1536[18:16:06] <SerajewelKS> note in particular that this is where pip puts globally-installed python packages
1537[18:16:22] <SerajewelKS> npm, pecl, and cpan may do the same for their respective runtimes
1538[18:16:48] <SerajewelKS> so it's not just "stuff you compiled"
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1540[18:17:19] <Akuw> hi
1541[18:17:30] <luna_> hi
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1543[18:17:38] <careta> SerajewelKS, yes I'm actually purging pip and gems now
1544[18:17:45] <Akuw> i have create a vm using kvm how can i take that vm to another computer to use with kvm ?
1545[18:17:51] <Akuw> what is the prpcedure
1546[18:18:09] <SerajewelKS> Akuw: copy the files over. run kvm.
1547[18:18:23] <Akuw> just that?
1548[18:18:34] <SerajewelKS> yes. assuming you are using kvm directly and not libvirt.
1549[18:18:54] <SerajewelKS> and even then, libvirt probably stuffs everything in a directory somewhere that you could copy to the target machine
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1554[18:21:34] <neilthereildeil> does debian by default have iptables rules configured?
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1565[18:28:50] <Wulf> neilthereildeil: no.
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1571[18:30:17] <jaami> i was able to install debian but wifi adapter is still not found after apt install firmware-iwlwifi
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1578[18:31:33] <no_gravity> When I have a string like "Oct 26 12:00:00 2020 GMT" how do I calculate the days it is from now?
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1580[18:31:43] <towo`> jaami, you have reloaded the kernel module after installing the firmware?
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1584[18:32:09] <jaami> towo`, do you mean apt-get update? then Yes
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1587[18:32:28] <towo`> jaami, no, i mean what i have sayed
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1590[18:33:10] <jaami> towo`, i added this too deb replaced-url
1591[18:33:13] <towo`> jaami, you have to do rmmod iwlwifi && modprobe iwlwifi
1592[18:33:29] <deathmetal> Apr 21 16:29:38 li1875-165 sm-mta[31758]: STARTTLS=client, relay=smtp.gmail.com., version=TLSv1.3, verify=FAIL, cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384, bits=256/256 <--- sendmail dont work with Gmail?
1593[18:33:36] <jaami> oh ok, so i copy and run those commands
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1595[18:34:20] <SerajewelKS> no_gravity: check out the dateutils package
1596[18:34:33] <jaami> towo`, error: rmmod not found
1597[18:34:40] <no_gravity> SerajewelKS: It seems "date" might be enough.
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1600[18:35:24] <towo`> jaami, you have to be root for douing that!
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1603[18:35:37] <SerajewelKS> no_gravity: it might be though the result is likely to break under certain conditions (time spans crossing leap second boundaries might be one)
1604[18:35:38] <jaami> towo`, I am root
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1607[18:36:13] <deathmetal> :(
1608[18:36:14] <towo`> jaami, then you have used 'su' instead of 'su -'
1609[18:36:15] <no_gravity> SerajewelKS: I am not afraid of leap seconds.
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1611[18:37:16] <towo`> jaami, or use modprobe -r iwlwifi && modprobe iwlwifi
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1613[18:37:35] <SerajewelKS> deathmetal: seems more like the remote MTA presented your system a TLS certificate that your system doesn't trust because of a missing CA
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1620[18:38:17] <Akuw> how can i know if i am using SerajewelKS
1621[18:38:21] <Akuw> libvirt
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1623[18:38:25] <deathmetal> SerajewelKS: then how to fix it
1624[18:38:36] <SerajewelKS> Akuw: how do you launch the VM?
1625[18:38:39] <jaami> towo`, again error: bash: modprobe: command not found
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1629[18:38:51] <Akuw> using virt manager
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1631[18:39:16] <SerajewelKS> Akuw: then you use libvirt
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1633[18:39:19] <towo`> [18:36:14] <towo`> jaami, then you have used 'su' instead of 'su -'
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1638[18:39:27] <SerajewelKS> deathmetal: what debian release are you using?
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1640[18:39:35] <deathmetal> SerajewelKS: 10
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1643[18:39:40] <Akuw> then how can i copy vm?
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1655[18:40:14] <SerajewelKS> deathmetal: very odd. i can't think of any reason the cert wouldn't be trusted unless there is some misconfiguration.
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1659[18:40:41] <deathmetal> SerajewelKS: misconfiguration where
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1664[18:40:59] <deathmetal> SerajewelKS: the TLS is working for irc server
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1667[18:41:15] <SerajewelKS> deathmetal: either they're sending you a bad cert or your system doesn't trust the cert. those are the only two options. most likely, there is a misconfiguration on your system where it doesn't trust the CA for some reason.
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1671[18:41:33] <jaami> towo`, do i have to type su - even if i am root?
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1675[18:41:48] <deathmetal> SerajewelKS: any way to find out more spesific
1676[18:41:50] <SerajewelKS> deathmetal: the IRC server you're using probably uses a different CA
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1682[18:42:14] <SerajewelKS> deathmetal: TLS issues are notoriously difficult to debug. unfortunately i'm not sure how to dig further with sendmail as i don't use it.
1683[18:42:18] <deathmetal> SerajewelKS: no i run the irc server in the same box
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1686[18:42:24] <towo`> jaami, no, you have to type 'su -' as user to become root
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1694[18:42:41] <SerajewelKS> deathmetal: then i don't understand what you mean by "the TLS is working for irc server"
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1699[18:42:49] <jaami> towo`, ok, then, i am sure i am root
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1704[18:43:06] <joepublic> yes but how did you get there.
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1715[18:43:22] <joepublic> if you got there with `su` you will not have sbin in your path.
1716[18:43:25] <deathmetal> SerajewelKS: do you have any idea how to make debian send e-mail to gmail account
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1718[18:43:28] <towo`> jaami, no, you are not root, if you only have used su!
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1720[18:43:41] <Akuw> SerajewelKS: where are virtual machines saved?
1721[18:43:46] <SerajewelKS> deathmetal: i've set up similar things with postfix
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1723[18:43:49] <towo`> that root has no essential commands in his path
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1727[18:43:58] <joepublic> towo`, yes, su makes one root, it just doesn't update the path
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1734[18:44:10] <jaami> towo`, i used this command in terminal and then gave root password 'su root'
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1739[18:44:17] <deathmetal> SerajewelKS: can you guide me? do i need to remove sendmail for that?
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1746[18:44:29] <joepublic> jaami - simple solution is "instead of that, use `su -` or `su -l`"
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1748[18:44:38] <joepublic> nothing further is required
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1751[18:44:42] <SerajewelKS> deathmetal: it's a larger project than i have time for right now, unfortunately. you're likely looking for postfix in "smart host" mode.
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1755[18:44:53] <jaami> towo`, ok, got the point
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1760[18:45:06] <SerajewelKS> deathmetal: most of the configuration is straightforward, EXCEPT getting it to use your credentials
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1768[18:45:31] <deathmetal> SerajewelKS: any website i can refer
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1778[18:46:15] <SerajewelKS> deathmetal: maybe this guide will work replaced-url
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1782[18:46:32] <jaami> towo`, it worked this time without error.
1783[18:46:33] <deathmetal> SerajewelKS: do i need to remove sendmail first before install postfix
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1787[18:46:46] <SerajewelKS> deathmetal: i don't know, i don't use sendmail
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1792[18:47:14] <jaami> towo`, this command returned nothing so i ssume there is no error command:: modprobe iwlwifi && modprobe iwlwifi
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1802[18:47:44] <jaami> towo`, do i need to check wifi again?
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1805[18:47:48] <towo`> modprobe never gives any output, if it was a success
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1809[18:48:06] <SerajewelKS> Akuw: i don't use virt-manager myself so i'm not entirely sure
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1813[18:48:17] <SerajewelKS> Akuw: there might be some export option
1814[18:48:26] <Akuw> "/var/lib/libvirt/images"
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1816[18:48:28] <Akuw> there
1817[18:48:30] <Akuw> i found
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1819[18:48:46] <jaami> towo`, wifi settings still showing No Wifi Adapter Found
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1826[18:49:10] <towo`> jaami, and your sevret wifi adapter is?
1827[18:49:16] <towo`> *secret
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1832[18:49:44] <jaami> towo`, 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak] [8086:0082] (rev 34)
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1842[18:50:34] <towo`> jaami, dmesg | grep -i ucode
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1847[18:51:01] <jaami> towo`, [ 11.321264] iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware iwlwifi-6000g2a-6.ucode
1848[18:51:55] <towo`> firmware was loaded, so my part is done
1849[18:52:14] <jaami> towo`, oh- ok.. please let me check
1850[18:53:59] <jaami> towo`, still no list of wifi networks is shown and Settings show No wifi adapter
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1852[18:54:25] <jaami> i think i should restart debian
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1862[18:57:23] <BalooRJ> Does anyone know why the current version of libc6 in Debian Buster is on 2.28-10? I've noticed that this dependency is not allowing me to install some packages. Is there a way to upgrade libc6 while remaining on Debian Buster?
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1864[18:57:54] <BalooRJ> I checked to see if libc6 was in the backports for Buster but this does not seem to be the case
1865[18:58:09] <greycat> There are never backports of libc6. libc6 is integral and fundamental to a release.
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1867[18:58:34] <greycat> If you "need" a newer libc6 for some bleeding edge software, you will have to run something other than stable.
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1869[18:58:37] <jaami> is there any utility that can download and install required wifi drivers
1870[18:58:44] <annadane> or run something in a VM
1871[18:59:03] <greycat> (in that case, you would be running something other than stable, in a VM)
1872[18:59:27] <BalooRJ> greycat: That's good to know, the software is not essential so I don't mind going without it. I tried running both Buster and Bullseye and Buster seems to play nicer with my bumblebee setup so I'll stick with that.
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1874[18:59:44] <BalooRJ> Thanks very much!
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1878[19:02:01] <lwp> , pciid 8086:0082
1879[19:02:02] <judd> [8086:0082] is 'Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak]' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also replaced-url
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1881[19:02:38] <jaami> is there debian channel just for basic questions?
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1885[19:04:38] * nvz draws jaami a map thats says YOU ARE HERE --> .
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1887[19:05:51] <Putti> Hi, I opened the Debian 10 Gnome software installer program and it seems to suggest (a bit unclear to me) installing non-free "WDC PCSN730 NVMe SSD Firmware for Lenovo PC" firmware for my computer. If it turns out to be non-free I really don't like this feature being in debian.
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1889[19:06:35] <nvz> o.O
1890[19:06:50] <greycat> If it suggests, and does not actually *install* firmware, you are free to decline that suggestion.
1891[19:06:50] <jaami> okay, i am reading the wiki link given. ty
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1893[19:07:28] <Putti> greycat, but I don't know if this is free or non-free program
1894[19:07:54] <lwp> Putti: "non-free" as in not complying with source-code publishing guidelines, not meaning you must pay money
1895[19:08:21] <Putti> libre I mean
1896[19:08:23] <nvz> Putti: you probably need to back up and give more detail on why you're doing this and what exactly you're doing
1897[19:08:43] <nvz> afaik there is no such firmware IN DEBIAN and there are lots of things that could be considered GNOME's software installer program
1898[19:08:47] <greycat> does it give the name of the package? that would help a lot.
1899[19:08:50] <Putti> I opened the gnome pop-up to install updates and this window came
1900[19:09:00] <greycat> Aha!
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1902[19:09:15] <greycat> I thought this was during installation of Debian...
1903[19:09:34] <nvz> I thought they'd fetched some file from the web and were seeing gdebi or something
1904[19:09:41] <Putti> the program opens on the command line with command gnome-software
1905[19:10:01] <lwp> Putti, why do you object ?
1906[19:10:13] <nvz> in my limited experence nvme need a newer kernel to work but I haven't heard of any firmware for them in debian
1907[19:10:16] <greycat> if you don't like what gnome-software does, well, you can simply not run it
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1909[19:10:29] <nvz> I've helped at least two people get a 5.x kernel to get their nvme ssd recognized
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1911[19:10:51] <greycat> there are buster-backports 5.x kernels available
1912[19:10:53] <nvz> and really I think we need a better option for such folk that NEED a newer kernel just to install
1913[19:11:04] <nvz> cause their disk isnt seen in the installer
1914[19:11:31] <Putti> lwp, I don't want to install unknowingly non-free programs to my machine. Now that I know there is probably such non-free firmware I might write a free replacement
1915[19:11:37] <nvz> for awhile the testing expert mode was asking which branch to install but last I tried it, doesnt do that anymore
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1917[19:12:24] <nvz> Putti: you can just disable non-free and contrib software sources
1918[19:12:32] <nvz> if you are really that concerned
1919[19:12:50] <lwp> nvz, anectodally, some users have had more success using the calamares installer from a live system, when installing to nvme devices
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1921[19:13:15] <Putti> nvz, I don't have those, and it still looks like I could install those
1922[19:13:25] <nvz> lwp: yeah.. well if the issue is that the kernel is too old to see the device at all, what one needs is an installer booting from a newer kernel
1923[19:13:51] <lwp> nvz, right, agreed, but sometimes maybe that is not the exact issue
1924[19:14:04] <nvz> Putti: idk, I still don't have any picture of whats going on.. and googling doesnt reveal anything to me
1925[19:14:06] <Putti> I have not tried clicking the update what happens
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1927[19:14:43] <nvz> I have two Lenovo machines here, granted they're older 2013 era models but each have SSDs and I never seen anything remotely like that
1928[19:14:59] <Putti> nvz, in gnome-software app go to updates page, and there is a "Device firmware" section which has a button to "Update" WDC PCSN730 NVMe SSD Firmware for Lenovo PC"
1929[19:15:04] <greycat> Putti: the first thing you must realize is that none of us run GNOME. We have no idea what GNOME does. Especially the uncommon bits of it.
1930[19:15:05] <lwp> Putti, I seriously doubt you are able to " write a free replacement" for SSD firmware
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1932[19:16:01] <nvz> idk.. sounds like they integrated a firmware tool that probably has nothing to do with Debian
1933[19:16:11] <greycat> Firmware installation typically entails downloading a file and copying it into the /lib/firmware/ directory, which requires root privileges to write to.
1934[19:16:22] <greycat> That file is *usually* part of a Debian package.
1935[19:16:23] <nvz> cause afaik we have no seperate firmware repository that would be triggered without non-free and contrib sources
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1937[19:16:45] <nvz> I've seen such firmware tools out there just didnt know any such thing gotten into debian
1938[19:16:56] <greycat> ,file bin/gnome-software
1939[19:17:00] <judd> Search for bin/gnome-software in buster/amd64: gnome-software: usr/bin/gnome-software
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1941[19:17:05] <Putti> greycat, this firmware looks like it is downloaded to the storage in the device itself, not the disk debian is installed on
1942[19:17:14] <nvz> replaced-url
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1944[19:17:35] <greycat> Putti: how firmware WORKS in Linux is it lives in /lib/firmware/ until loaded by the kernel after the kernel probes some hardware
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1946[19:18:17] <greycat> [ 8.046709] [drm] Finished loading DMC firmware i915/kbl_dmc_ver1_04.bin (v1.4)
1947[19:18:21] <greycat> for instance
1948[19:18:24] <nvz> Putti: firmware is typically loaded as greycat says by the kernel upon loading of a driver
1949[19:18:27] <Putti> graytron, that is with devices which don't have their own flash storage
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1952[19:18:49] <nvz> the whole point of firmware is typically to be able to change it.. so its loaded at runtime, not stored permanently
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1957[19:19:21] <nvz> and many devices work without the firmware to an extent
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1960[19:20:15] <nvz> My thin client has firware for the Radeon R2E in it, but it'll work without it.. you just need the firmware to do audio over dp/hdmi and dual heads and such
1961[19:20:22] <jaami> not sure what went wrong::: even then see this firmware-iwlwifi is already the newest version
1962[19:20:45] <jaami> non-free iso did not do no good either
1963[19:20:47] <nvz> jaami: you having issues connecting to wifi?
1964[19:20:54] <jaami> yes sir
1965[19:20:59] <jaami> please help
1966[19:21:01] <nvz> jaami: suring the install?
1967[19:21:05] <nvz> during*
1968[19:21:12] <jaami> Setting shows No wifi adapter found
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1971[19:21:37] <jaami> suring? what that means?
1972[19:21:40] <nvz> jaami: what kind of machine is it?
1973[19:21:50] <jaami> laptop dell
1974[19:21:54] <somiaj> jaami: lspci (what network card do you have?) and dmesg | grep -i firmware (what firmware is it trying to load)
1975[19:22:08] <FuzzyByte> jaami: You do have a wifi adapter, yes?
1976[19:22:40] <jaami> yes i have, i had it working on elementory OS before debian install
1977[19:23:04] <jaami> [ 0.311383] ACPI: [Firmware Bug]: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored
1978[19:23:12] <jaami> [ 11.423268] iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware iwlwifi-6000g2a-6.ucode
1979[19:23:21] <jaami> [ 11.423440] iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: loaded firmware version 18.168.6.1 op_mode iwldvm
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1984[19:24:39] <nvz> jaami: is Debian 10 installed or are you in the installer?
1985[19:24:57] <jaami> Debian 10 installed
1986[19:25:16] <somiaj> jaami: ip addr -- do you see the wifi interface listed there?
1987[19:25:19] <jaami> actually, my USB version 3.0 2TB was the issue
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1989[19:25:31] <nvz> jaami: ok.. well according to the information you've provided your driver is loading, your hw is seen by the kernel and the firmware is loading
1990[19:25:34] <jaami> debian was not taking it seriously
1991[19:25:52] <jaami> what that mean?
1992[19:26:00] <jaami> loading means not loaded?
1993[19:26:07] <nvz> jaami: do what somiaj suggest, type ip addr
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1996[19:26:15] <jaami> oh ok
1997[19:26:18] <nvz> do you see a wlp3s0 or something?
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1999[19:26:30] <Choumou> Hi ! I want to send e-mail in a bash script from my debian server but the commands "mail" and "mailx" don't work ( i don't receive any mail ), can someone help me ?
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2002[19:26:41] <nvz> my thought is this is permissions or perhaps a bug I'm aware of..
2003[19:26:48] <greycat> Choumou: install bsd-mailx
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2005[19:27:22] <somiaj> jaami: or if using network-manager and the device is listed in the interfaces file, could also be a hard lock (rfkill)
2006[19:27:25] <jaami> nvz, 3: wlp2s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state UP group default qlen 1000
2007[19:27:26] <somiaj> nvz: ^^
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2009[19:27:43] <somiaj> jaami: okay the kernel does see the device just fine, what software is giving you the error that no wifi adapter is seen?
2010[19:27:44] <jaami> oh the hardlock
2011[19:28:00] <jaami> but i restarted debian 15 minutes ago
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2013[19:28:12] <somiaj> hardlocks from the hardware can persist over reboots
2014[19:28:25] <nvz> this may be affected by the presistent ifnames bug
2015[19:28:27] <jaami> yes, Setting of wifi shows that No wifi Adapter is found
2016[19:28:27] <Choumou> greycat : and what should i do after ? Just use mailx ?
2017[19:28:28] <somiaj> but lets not get ahead of yourself, what software are you using to manage your wifi that is giving you this error
2018[19:28:37] <nvz> if its showing up in ip, its probably not hard blocked
2019[19:28:39] <somiaj> jaami: what software is telling you that?
2020[19:28:48] <greycat> Choumou: assuming your MTA is properly configured, "echo stuff | mailx -s test your@addr.ess" should work.
2021[19:28:52] <jaami> if i go scan networks i see only circle animation and no list
2022[19:28:59] <somiaj> nvz: hardlocked devices will show up, they just can't be used.
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2024[19:29:13] <Choumou> greycat : and where can i configure my MTA ?
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2026[19:29:53] <nvz> jaami: do you see anything on the tail end of your logs? like messages from wlp3s0 or w/e the interface is called?
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2028[19:30:02] <Choumou> I've just tested and it doesn't work :(
2029[19:30:19] <greycat> "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" IIRC
2030[19:30:20] <FuzzyByte> jaami: Are you using network-manager, wicd or something else?
2031[19:30:27] <jaami> oh the log... where is it?
2032[19:30:41] <somiaj> jaami: what software are you using to configure your network? network-manager, wicd, wpa_supplicaint, etc?
2033[19:31:15] <nvz> somiaj: I've documented a number of devices that do not work with the predicatable ifnames.. they typically scan but forcibly deauth upon connect
2034[19:31:22] <jaami> on the top right corner there is eithermet icon which i click and see wifi settings option. after clicking that i see the error Adapter mot found
2035[19:31:38] <nvz> jaami: if you are using GNOME then that is network-manager
2036[19:31:51] <jaami> sure, gnome
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2040[19:32:17] <FuzzyByte> jaami: try running nmcli
2041[19:32:21] <nvz> wicd can be misconfigured.. it has a manual ifname entry.. n-m however probes
2042[19:32:22] <jaami> ok
2043[19:32:26] <somiaj> jaami: most likely network-manager. First check /etc/network/interfaces (do you see your wifi adpater listed in that file)?
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2045[19:32:55] <nvz> and yeah, n-m will ignore interfaces already configured by /e/n/i
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2047[19:33:03] <somiaj> nvz: you could be right here, I'm just slowly going through the common causes I know of.
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2049[19:33:22] <jaami> what pastebin is used these days?
2050[19:33:29] <annadane> paste.debian.net
2051[19:33:38] <somiaj> jaami: we suggest paste.debian.net (though prefer any that does text only, no javascript, no adds)
2052[19:33:41] <nvz> somiaj: typically in these cases the scan shows APs, it seems to connect but forcibly deauths right after and shows in logs, and booting net.ifnames=0 fixes it
2053[19:34:14] <nvz> jaami: or pipe it to termbin.com.. typically works on most systems i.e. | nc termbin.com 9999
2054[19:34:24] <jaami> replaced-url
2055[19:34:49] <somiaj> jaami: check the /etc/network/interfaces file please
2056[19:35:34] <jaami> root@COVID:~# /etc/network/interfaces
2057[19:35:35] <jaami> -bash: /etc/network/interfaces: Permission denied
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2059[19:35:56] <nvz> jaami: cat /etc/network/interfaces | nc termbin.com 9999
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2062[19:36:45] <nvz> seeming more like n-m is the culprait here
2063[19:36:47] <jaami> replaced-url
2064[19:36:54] <nvz> n-m can disable wireless
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2066[19:37:23] <jaami> hmm, let us kill it
2067[19:37:41] <nvz> jaami: is wlp2s0 you wireless interface showing in ip addr?
2068[19:37:55] <somiaj> jaami: there it is, rmove the lines # the primaray interface address onward from that file, the network-manager will see the device.
2069[19:38:06] <nvz> jaami: cause if it is, you need to remove it from that file.. network-manager will not configure a device already configured
2070[19:38:08] <somiaj> probably put there when you used the installer with non-free firwamre
2071[19:38:17] <nvz> you seem to have an incomplete configuration of the wifi in there
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2073[19:38:41] <somiaj> oh it is incomplete, maybe followed some guide
2074[19:38:44] <jaami> replaced-url
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2078[19:39:55] <nvz> jaami: just remove those last 4 lines or put a # in front of them
2079[19:40:00] <somiaj> jaami: remove the lines in /etc/network/interfaces refering to your wifi card, then restart network-manager or your machine, then you can use NM for your wifi card.
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2081[19:40:30] <somiaj> network-manager ignores any device listed in that file
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2086[19:42:47] <jaami> removed those line
2087[19:43:11] <jaami> i see no difference. do i need to restart neywork?
2088[19:43:33] <jaami> oh ok you told me
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2096[19:48:23] <jaami_> after restarting network the error message is gone but still network list shows no network
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2098[19:48:51] <somiaj> you can see the device in network-manger now?
2099[19:49:02] <somiaj> Next install rfkill and see if you have any soft or hard lock on the device
2100[19:49:11] <jaami_> also when i turn on Airplane and turn it back off, i see same error Adapter not found (just for a second and then it disappear )
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2103[19:50:02] <jaami_> installing rfkill
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2106[19:50:44] <jaami_> rfkill
2107[19:50:53] <jaami_> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
2108[19:51:02] <jaami_> E: Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock (/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend), is another process using it?
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2117[19:54:54] <jaami_> restarted net again. i think something like covid is making my laptop sick
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2144[20:06:47] <shibboleth> replaced-url
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2148[20:07:02] <shibboleth> oh, look: replaced-url
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2150[20:07:56] <greycat> This is why we run stable. Best security support.
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2153[20:09:01] <shibboleth> yeah, this might actually explain something i've noticed over the past week
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2158[20:12:48] <shibboleth> queue canonical issuing a fix in two weeks
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2161[20:14:09] <shibboleth> for some reason they're *very* late in responding to major vulns
2162[20:14:18] <shibboleth> heartbleed took two weeks for a oatch to stable
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2164[20:14:59] <shibboleth> meltdown/spectre? same, three weeks. supposedly for QA and then the second kernel update turned out to be faulty
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2167[20:19:57] <somiaj> Although intersting, we should stick to how debian handels things here. Debian is usually fairly quick at fixes, and in the cases they aren't, the issues are clearly documented (transparency) at security-tracker.debian.org (I recall a few firefox fixes that took a while to get into debian)
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2169[20:22:49] <jaami> you guys are very much experienced users of linux. Please guide me. i need debian(linux) for 5 reasons only. 1-Sound, 2-Video 3-Internet, 4-firewall and 5-VirtualBox. Please tell me what linux distro is all i need for that purpose
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2172[20:26:20] <jaami> i am waiting for your response.
2173[20:26:35] <schmuck> trump funded covid-19
2174[20:26:35] <dreamer> lol
2175[20:26:54] <dreamer> jaami: you can do this with any distro
2176[20:26:56] <dreamer> there. you have it.
2177[20:26:59] <dreamer> good luck with that info.
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2180[20:27:48] <jaami> dreamer, i could not do it with debian
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2183[20:28:14] <dreamer> then you did something wrong
2184[20:28:26] <dreamer> "could not do it" is hardly a description of a problem
2185[20:28:32] <dreamer> or lets just say "not"
2186[20:28:50] <dreamer> "could not do it" just means that you didn't actually try
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2188[20:29:50] <jaami> unfortunately, all my try went wrong. i spent more than 3 days. not joking
2189[20:29:53] <schmuck> does anyone know what other channels the user thumbs is in?
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2191[20:30:04] <dreamer> then what did you "try" ?
2192[20:30:10] <dreamer> you are not actually describing any problebs
2193[20:30:12] <dreamer> problems*
2194[20:30:29] <jaami> my wifi is not working
2195[20:30:31] <joepublic> I tried hard to learn fluent french for three days once. I Could Not Do It either.
2196[20:30:53] <jaami> joepublic, lol, nice
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2198[20:31:10] <dreamer> you didn't describe wifi in your list of requirements
2199[20:31:15] <joepublic> maybe you need the hypothetical JWBM distribution, people have good luck with that one
2200[20:31:30] <jhutchins> !ig
2201[20:31:30] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at replaced-url
2202[20:31:41] <AndreasLutro> jaami: did you install debian using the ISO with nonfree firmware? you might also need to manually download the firmware and upgrade your kernel depending on what hardware you're running
2203[20:31:45] <jhutchins> jaami: Did you read that?
2204[20:32:01] <jaami> yes
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2206[20:32:09] <jaami> and yesnon-free
2207[20:32:18] <jaami> and yes with non-free
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2211[20:34:05] <p7cq> Is there any way that I could emulate i3's binding mode in dwm?
2212[20:34:07] <jaami> debian install process has issues with usb 3.0 or may be 2TB usb
2213[20:34:18] <lwp> jaami, this channel already helped you get your wifi going.
2214[20:34:34] <jaami> lwp, thank you. really
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2216[20:35:16] <FuzzyByte> jaami: My opinion on USB 3.0 is that it isn't really needed except for ultrafast SSDs
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2218[20:35:24] <KoolKidzKlub> one time, i thought i was going to fart, but then some shit came out
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2220[20:35:44] <lwp> jaami, if you need still more help with wifi, first follow the most recent suggestions you were given, second ask here if you don't succeed with that
2221[20:35:46] <FuzzyByte> KoolKidzKlub: I don't think that is the right channel for this.
2222[20:35:55] <KoolKidzKlub> so i grabbed it out of my pants and smeared it on my face and announced that i'm a colored person
2223[20:36:01] <somiaj> jaami: ##linux may have some suggestions, you could also just try different distros and see which one you like the best. Just know that part of your choice is the support communinty, if you choose something other than #debian, we can't support you.
2224[20:36:05] <joepublic> troll +1 response already out of the gate
2225[20:36:09] <KoolKidzKlub> and that's how I got expelled from elementary skool
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2231[20:36:42] <p7cq> This is what I want to achieve: replaced-url
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2233[20:37:20] <somiaj> p7cq: you might have better luck asking in a support channel for dwm, unless you get lucky someone who uses it is here.
2234[20:37:47] <thatpythonguy> how can I check whether I'm currently running the proprietary nvidia driver, or nouveau? Assuming both packages are installed
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2236[20:38:25] <p7cq> OK, thanks
2237[20:38:38] <somiaj> thatpythonguy: lsmod will tell you what modules are loaded look for either nouveau or nvidia modules
2238[20:38:51] <AndreasLutro> thatpythonguy: lshw -c video, look for "driver"
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2242[20:39:24] <somiaj> jaami: Note, due to oracle's policy conflicting with debian's, debian no longer provides virtualbox (you can still run virtualbox on debian -- but not installable through debian repos). This may also affect your decision (I perosnaly use libvirt + qemu-kvm for my virtualization needs)
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2244[20:39:31] <jhutchins> thatpythonguy: Chances are that if you installed the proprietary package it blacklisted nouveau.
2245[20:39:57] <somiaj> thatpythonguy: if running xorg, you can look at the xorg log to see whta driver xorg is using. 'glxinfo' can also give you clues
2246[20:41:20] <thatpythonguy> thank you all. It seems I'm using proprietary. I think I will try and switch
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2251[20:42:41] <somiaj> thatpythonguy: what are your video needs (nouveau works okay, but does have its issues, and my suggestion is if you need 3D graphics, the non-free works better (despite how non-free it is))
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2254[20:43:31] <somiaj> also if using nouveau make sure you have firmware-misc-nonfree -- it has some firmware that helps nouveau out for certain cards.
2255[20:43:58] <FuzzyByte> somiaj: Well, it *is* developed by the hardware developers
2256[20:45:01] <somiaj> FuzzyByte: yea, and unlinke amd/radeon, they don't support free alternatives
2257[20:45:20] <somiaj> they at one time said they would help out with nouveau for older cards, but that never did much
2258[20:45:58] <thatpythonguy> somiaj: I play games on steam using Proton occasionally, but I don't typically run FreeCAD or Blender or the like. My goal was to try SwayWM which doesn't support the proprietary drivers, and ditch some non-free software as a side-benefit
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2260[20:45:59] <FuzzyByte> Which is kind of sad
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2262[20:46:37] <somiaj> thatpythonguy: what is swayWM, I dno't see why a window manager would care what drivers you use.
2263[20:47:04] <thatpythonguy> somiaj: it's a wayland compositor (WM) that functions exactly like i3
2264[20:47:10] <somiaj> thatpythonguy: I have used the non-free drivers for 15+ years, and they work good for me. I wish there was a better free alternative, but deal with the non-free blobs as I like to game.
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2266[20:47:37] <somiaj> thatpythonguy: again, I don't see why it would care if you used the non-free drivers or not. nvidia non-free drivers should give you the compositor layer
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2270[20:48:34] <thatpythonguy> somiaj: although I have not tried it myself, they have a message in the Wiki that explains: "All proprietary graphics drivers are unsupported. This includes the Nvidia proprietary driver. The open source Nouveau driver is required instead. This is not going to change, don't ask. Tip: buy your hardware with open source support in mind."
2271[20:49:46] <somiaj> I don't see why it would matter provided the non-free driver gives the same xorg extensions, nivida non-free drivers works with other compositiors
2272[20:49:50] <greycat> so this WM that nobody here has ever heard of, that is not in Debian, is on topic in #debian because...?
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2274[20:50:23] <somiaj> I understand the nonsupported part, if you have bugs, you won't get support, but if you want to use nouveau, I would remove all the nvidia packages and install the firmware-misc-nonfree package
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2276[20:50:34] <thatpythonguy> greycat: if it is in the testing repo, does that count as "in Debian"
2277[20:50:45] <greycat> !debian-next
2278[20:50:45] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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2284[20:51:52] <thatpythonguy> greycat: if you're asking for the package name in the testing repo, its just 'sway'
2285[20:52:02] <greycat> ,v sway
2286[20:52:03] <judd> Package: sway on amd64 -- bullseye: 1.4-2; sid: 1.4-2
2287[20:52:12] <greycat> ok, interesting
2288[20:52:39] <thatpythonguy> somiaj: thank you for the advice
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2294[20:55:43] <somiaj> thatpythonguy: have you tried using this wm with the nvidia driver?
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2298[20:56:40] <thatpythonguy> somiaj: I have not
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2301[20:57:22] <somiaj> thatpythonguy: I would at least try it, and for future testing questions, use #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
2302[20:57:30] <thatpythonguy> somiaj: will do, thanks
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2305[20:57:50] <thatpythonguy> I didn't realize #debian was only for stable
2306[20:58:26] <somiaj> thatpythonguy: just ask questions in the channel, don't message people (Without asking first). For libvirt, just install virt-manager, it is a gui and is fairly straight forward.
2307[20:58:49] <somiaj> thatpythonguy: biggest issue is ensuring the kvm module for your chip (intel or amd) is loaded, and biggest issue there is the feature is often disabled in the firmware/bios and needs to be turned on
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2314[21:03:52] <thatpythonguy> somiaj: that's my bad then, it seemed off-topic and I wasn't aware you typically ask before messaging people. thanks for the virt-manager rec
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2321[21:08:28] <g0zzy> Is there any way to use the unofficial live images and to add another partition to get persistence
2322[21:09:25] <somiaj> g0zzy: there are various ways to get persistance with the live images, though this keeps changing as to the prefered method. You can google this and get various guides.
2323[21:10:18] <g0zzy> I've tried. There's only an ancient guide using usb-hdd images, which seem to be no longer available
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2330[21:12:58] <somiaj> g0zzy: there are more modern guides, many use syslinux to boot and copying the data from the live image onto a file system.
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2332[21:13:16] <somiaj> but I haven't done this or looked around, I only know it is possible, but unsure what the current suggested method is.
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2334[21:14:26] <brutser> i followed this example: replaced-url
2335[21:14:27] <brutser> what could be wrong?
2336[21:14:34] <g0zzy> Right. It might be that i choose, for the first time in my life a different distro to do this, albeit reluctantly
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2363[21:38:15] <lwp> g0zzy, what I do, after the live image is copied to a USB stick, then i use fdisk to make a second partition on that device. I start it at sector 10,000,000 just so it is easy to remember, if I later copy a newer live image onto the beginning.
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2365[21:39:03] <lwp> Then make a linux filesystem in that new partition, and use it from the live system (and also outside the live system)
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2367[21:41:11] <g0zzy> That sounds simple! You label the partition?
2368[21:41:45] <lwp> g0zzy, yes a label name is handy for finding it in the automounters.
2369[21:42:25] <g0zzy> I mean, doesn't Debian live have to be 'signalled' that you want persistence?
2370[21:42:42] <lwp> if you do later copy a different live image to the beginning, you need to use fdisk again to re-add the second partition to the USB's partition table, but then the old contents are still there and accessible
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2376[21:44:32] <lwp> I don't do anything special to "Signal" the live sytem, I just use the extra partition. when I have things to tie into the works of the live system (like apt archives or somthing) then I have a little batch file that I run to do some "ln -s" and "mount --bind" commands
2377[21:44:59] <g0zzy> ok thanks
2378[21:45:28] <lwp> but most of the time I don't even need that. depends what you plan to do.
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2392[22:02:23] <Twemlow> So I use Debian10, Every time i try to connect to NordVPN, any proxy, Hide My Ass VPN, and Tor proxies I cant seem to get an internet connection... On windows10 any and all VPNs work with no issue... So does anyone know as to why it wont work for me on Debian10 (Latest Version) on PC? It works on my phone and laptop (on the same network), any ideas? What does Debian not have that my phone and laptops have?
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2394[22:03:10] <Twemlow> Laptop is also running Debian and works with VPN but not PC, any ideas?
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2398[22:06:33] <FuzzyByte> Twemlow: I am by no means an expert, but yo you have openvpn installed?
2399[22:06:54] <Twemlow> i do
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2401[22:07:28] <Twemlow> usually just connecting to a VPN server is enough and works just fine, not on PC tho...
2402[22:08:42] <trui> is your laptop or pc connected to an ethernet cable?
2403[22:08:42] <FuzzyByte> Your iptables might be misconfigured
2404[22:09:05] <FuzzyByte> What do you use to connect and what are your firewall rules?
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2406[22:09:34] <johnjay> i don't suppose anybody knows how to reset xorg settings?
2407[22:10:06] <greycat> rename the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, if one exists, to a different name that will not be used. Also move any files out of /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
2408[22:10:07] <johnjay> i tried choosing mirrored displays and now i'm stuck at a login prompt
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2410[22:10:17] <johnjay> i checked there, it doesn't exist
2411[22:10:23] <johnjay> ok
2412[22:10:54] <johnjay> i hope i didn't mess up xfce4 by choosing to change display resolution
2413[22:11:14] <Twemlow> i have UFW active alongside linux firewall, incoming deny, outgoing allow
2414[22:11:33] <Twemlow> profile home
2415[22:11:57] <Twemlow> i use WIFI only
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2418[22:15:23] <longears> Damn. It looks like `xen-utils-common` is still requiring `python2` =\ Any chance I can use `apt.preferences` to change requirements for a package?
2419[22:16:10] <greycat> what
2420[22:16:13] <greycat> why
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2423[22:18:50] <longears> Cause this is the only package on my system that uses `python2`. If I remove it then about 50M+ of space will be freed.
2424[22:19:17] <somiaj> longears: Could it be the scripts have not been updated to be compadable with python3?
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2426[22:20:25] <longears> That's what I think is the case. Now I'm just trying to figure out which scripts are those and when they will be updated. And also trying to see if I even use those scripts.
2427[22:21:28] <somiaj> I checked the unstable source, and didn't see anything in the change log about updating to be compadable with pyhton3
2428[22:21:53] <somiaj> oh the unstable source is the same that is in buster, so that won't help
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2430[22:22:30] <somiaj> longears: you might need to put in some work to make sure any python scripts are compadable with python3, then rebuild the package. I'm sure upstream would like any work you do on this too.
2431[22:23:40] <longears> Might as well. Glad at least to know that I'm the only one with that problem :) Thanks.
2432[22:25:58] <somiaj> I would at least see if upstream has any progress of what would need to be done. I'm not finding much
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2435[22:29:18] <longears> Also might be a sign that Xen will disappear and I should look into something else =\
2436[22:29:42] <Razva> guys I'm going crazy here. please check this config: replaced-url
2437[22:30:25] <tds> Razva: are you able to get a console on the machine while it's got the second config?
2438[22:30:37] <Razva> yeah, I have IPMI
2439[22:30:50] <tds> awesome, it'd be useful to see what state it came up in, ie `ip addr` output
2440[22:31:05] <tds> and if br0 hasn't come up at all, `ifup --verbose -a` and see what it tries
2441[22:31:06] <Razva> ok, just a sec. I can do screenshots
2442[22:31:45] <Razva> rebooting with the bridge uncommented and the static part commented
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2445[22:32:21] <Razva> can docker be involved...?
2446[22:32:46] <tds> that can certainly make things more fun, but i wouldn't expect it to cause problems at this point
2447[22:33:52] <Razva> ip addr: replaced-url
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2450[22:34:31] <Razva> `ifup --verbose -a` = replaced-url
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2453[22:35:03] <Razva> cannot find device br0
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2455[22:35:13] <Razva> well...how can you not find it when I'm just...defining it...?
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2459[22:36:20] <Razva> I've also tried to just copy/paste the `Between VM host, guests and the world` from replaced-url
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2463[22:37:01] <Razva> this is the config again: replaced-url
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2477[22:45:02] <jhutchins> ls
2478[22:45:30] <FuzzyByte> jhutchins: ls -lah
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2487[22:51:15] <tds> Razva: do you have bridge-utils installed?
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