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• 15[00:10:04] <soft_concrete> Which files should I be looking at to manually configure a new network interface card, besides /etc/network/interfaces ?
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• 59[00:38:47] <Mr_Queue> # file java
• 60[00:38:48] <Mr_Queue> java: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1
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• 63[00:39:17] <Mr_Queue> # ./java
• 64[00:39:19] <Mr_Queue> -bash: ./java: No such file or directory
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• 69[00:42:08] <Mr_Queue> how can that be?
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• 78[00:53:36] <HeXiLeD> just installed another box with debian but this install seems borked. Is there a package or config needed to be done to have cmds to work by their name and not by their full path? ie: ifconfig does not work. i have to /sbin/ifconfig
• 79[00:53:49] <HeXiLeD> first time this happened to me
• 80[00:54:25] <dvs> Mr_Queue, maybe file is smart enough to follow PATH
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• 89[01:03:36] <somiaj> HeXiLeD: a few things, first thing is /sbin and /usr/sbin are not in a normal users $PATH, since those binaries often require root permisions to work anyways.
• 90[01:03:46] <somiaj> HeXiLeD: ifconfig ahs been replaced with ip, ip is in a normal users $PATH
• 91[01:03:48] <somiaj> !buster su
• 92[01:03:48] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
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• 94[01:04:04] <somiaj> also, su now works like it is supose to, and won't update roots path if you don't use a login shell
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• 100[01:09:12] <BalooRJ> sudo -i is the same as Su, no?
• 101[01:09:14] <HeXiLeD> what are the advantages of these changes?
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• 103[01:16:27] <HeXiLeD> and the solution gives me an error.
• 104[01:16:36] <HeXiLeD> this is a disgraceful change.
• 105[01:17:10] <lwp> HeXiLeD, what solution give what error. do you want help, or just want to cry ?
• 106[01:17:34] <HeXiLeD> no one is crying. just stating what is happening.
• 107[01:17:45] <HeXiLeD> Put ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes in /etc/login.defs to get an approximation of the old behavior.
• 108[01:17:49] <HeXiLeD> out puts an error
• 109[01:18:15] <lwp> just use "su -"
• 110[01:19:58] <HeXiLeD> let me put it this way. system boots. (no wm) login prompt and i type root as the username. Right after i get configuration error - unkonwn item 'ALWAYS_SET_PATH' (notify adninistrator)
• 111[01:20:42] <HeXiLeD> right now i am spending more time getting the OS to work than the time it took to install it.
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• 113[01:21:55] <HeXiLeD> are there any docs we can read, informing why these changes were done?
• 114[01:22:31] <HeXiLeD> also, is this a debian change only or more distros are going the same route? (if anyone knows)
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• 117[01:23:23] <somiaj> BalooRJ: same as su -l,
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• 119[01:24:19] <somiaj> HeXiLeD: There are reasons to have a full login shell, (su -) or (su -l), vs gaining root privlages for your current enviorment. Changing the $PATH changes the enviorment and that aws not the designed behavior of su
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• 121[01:24:29] <somiaj> HeXiLeD: just learn to type 'su -' or 'su -l'
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• 123[01:24:49] <somiaj> debian just made su act like it is supose to
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• 125[01:25:14] <HeXiLeD> again, we are not talking about the same somiaj. i am not doing su from regular user. I am login as root right away.
• 126[01:25:15] <somiaj> all of this information is in the release notes
• 127[01:25:36] <somiaj> HeXiLeD: how are you logging in as root, from the prompt, and when you login as root the $PATH isn't being set correctly?
• 128[01:26:15] <HeXiLeD> The OS boots ( i am not using GUIs) (just console) So i login as root.
• 129[01:26:47] <HeXiLeD> i added ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes in /etc/login.defs
• 130[01:26:50] <somiaj> seems you hit replaced-url
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• 132[01:26:51] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 134[01:27:29] <HeXiLeD> great. by the way... dont even get network.
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• 136[01:27:57] <HeXiLeD> also, this is s fresh install
• 137[01:28:01] <somiaj> what network card? Debian doesn't install non-free firwmare by default
• 138[01:28:28] <HeXiLeD> i am using virtualbox as i have used in the past many times. intel vcard
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• 140[01:30:46] <HeXiLeD> another question is, what will happen to older installs that will get updated? will the updates change the OS configs in regards to these changes, or will they work in 'legacy'?
• 141[01:31:17] <somiaj> depends on the change, since the change in su affects the binary (not a config file) it will happen due to upgrades.
• 142[01:31:30] <joepublic> ...as explained in the release notes that you read before upgrading
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• 148[01:32:47] <BalooRJ> I just took the plunge today and installed Linux completely on my laptop. Was originally a W8 gaming laptop from ASUS, then I dualbooted Windows 10 and Debian, and now have took the plunge to only use Debian after a number of stupid quirks from Windows, like my headphone jack not working and the network card taking forever to load
• 149[01:33:25] <HeXiLeD> i see. how much long will stretch be supported?
• 150[01:33:45] <somiaj> oldstable is supported officaly for one year, and then by lts for about 3 more years
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• 152[01:34:03] <HeXiLeD> well, i am staying there for a while
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• 154[01:34:17] <zmoo> hello debian channel
• 155[01:34:37] <teksimian> hello zmoo
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• 157[01:34:48] <HeXiLeD> curious to know what motivated this type of change. If anyone knwos
• 158[01:34:56] <zmoo> question is there a prefered medod for compiling glibc ? I needed glibc-2.28 so. im thinking source>
• 159[01:35:25] <zmoo> or is there a source or debian latest srv?
• 160[01:36:03] <joepublic> ,v glibc
• 161[01:36:04] <judd> No package named 'glibc' was found in amd64.
• 162[01:36:10] <somiaj> zmoo: changing the glbic on debian stable is not something that is suggested, being a core libary.
• 163[01:36:15] <joepublic> fair enough
• 164[01:36:21] <somiaj> zmoo: also what version of debian are you running, buster has 2.28
• 165[01:36:22] <somiaj> ,v libc6
• 166[01:36:24] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u4; buster: 2.28-10; bullseye: 2.30-4; sid: 2.30-4; experimental: 2.31-0experimental0
• 167[01:36:27] <zmoo> I must compile against it
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• 169[01:37:03] <somiaj> zmoo: what version of debian are you running?
• 170[01:37:08] <zmoo> just install to options? or something and pass it as local to "other" package?
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• 172[01:37:33] * joepublic has a sneaky feeling about that "debian" version thing
• 173[01:37:51] <zmoo> stretch
• 174[01:38:11] <somiaj> zmoo: using debootstrap to make a buster chroot, and build in that chroot would be my suggestion.
• 175[01:38:34] <somiaj> though if this runs on stretch, unsure, it could be the software you want to build isnt' compadable with stretch.
• 176[01:39:00] <zmoo> I could do that*
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• 178[01:39:24] <zmoo> it openwrt latest kernel
• 179[01:40:15] <zmoo> i think it actually builds its own chroot
• 180[01:40:21] <zmoo> or it did
• 181[01:42:18] <somiaj> HeXiLeD: what type of change, changes happen all the time, and it is a combination of matainers and developer decisions.
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• 183[01:46:24] <HeXiLeD> somiaj: yes i can see that. I just dont see the validity of coming up with an idea that provides a bug right away replaced-url
• 184[01:46:25] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 185[01:47:34] <somiaj> HeXiLeD: from what I read that bug isn't wide spread. As to exactly why the matainers wanted to revert su to its intended behavior (which I agree with) I don't know
• 186[01:47:51] <somiaj> but seems this bug is minor, and only affects some systems.
• 187[01:48:51] <HeXiLeD> well... some... i mean, i just finished installing debian.
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• 190[01:50:13] <somiaj> I can't confirm if the bug exists or not (I haven't tried this change).
• 191[01:53:02] <somiaj> but it appears the message is just noise, personally I don't see why you don't just use 'su -' for a login shell
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• 194[01:53:32] <lwp> Yes, the release notes for buster mention this may happen, and call it a "harmless error message".
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• 199[01:55:28] <somiaj> HeXiLeD: buster isn't bug free, but the bugs are known, this is a known bug that doesn't cause any problems with the functionality of your system.
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• 201[01:55:49] <HeXiLeD> yes i see now.
• 202[01:56:07] <somiaj> buster is rc-bug free at the moment of the release (though rc-bugs often surface after the release)
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• 204[01:56:49] <dify> You guys ever get disappointed when your scripts work the first time, and there's nothing to troubleshoot? lol
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• 206[01:57:07] <somiaj> dify: I have never felt that way
• 207[01:57:32] <dify> understandable. lol
• 208[01:58:15] <dify> I was just ready to fix a bunch of shit, but then it just worked. So now idk what to do.
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• 218[02:03:07] <bumblefuzz> why is the kde live image booting to command line?
• 219[02:03:21] <bumblefuzz> also, why is it booting to comand line after I installed it?
• 220[02:03:33] <bumblefuzz> it's supposed to have KDE on it, right?
• 221[02:04:05] <bumblefuzz> this one: debian-live-10.3.0-amd64-kde.iso
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• 223[02:05:23] <somiaj> the installer will install what you choose, I don't think it varies depending on the live image
• 224[02:05:35] <somiaj> I'm unsure why the live image isn't booting into kde though.
• 225[02:05:47] <bumblefuzz> there was no option to install kde in the installer
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• 227[02:05:55] <lwp> bumblefuzz, maybe you are missing some non-free firmware ?
• 228[02:06:01] <bumblefuzz> if I didn't know any better, I'd say this is the CLI install image, not the KDE image
• 229[02:06:16] <bumblefuzz> lwp how do I tell?
• 230[02:06:17] <somiaj> the installer should get to a point it runs tasksel and lets you select which DE to install.
• 231[02:06:20] <joepublic> there is no such. debian install is debian install.
• 232[02:06:41] <bumblefuzz> somiaj no DE options were presented
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• 234[02:07:06] <somiaj> It is usually suggested you use an offical intaller over a live image.
• 235[02:07:10] <joepublic> if you `sudo tasksel` you can see that screen and install your de.
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• 237[02:07:55] <lwp> actually there is 3 versions of installer on live images now
• 238[02:08:20] <somiaj> oh there is? I thought they tried to remove those and move to the debian-installer.
• 239[02:08:31] <lwp> at the boot menu, you have text or graphical installers, and once inside the live image, you have calamares installer
• 240[02:08:41] <lwp> !calamare
• 241[02:08:45] <bumblefuzz> no live image ever appeared
• 242[02:08:46] <lwp> !calamares
• 243[02:08:46] <dpkg> Starting in Debian 10 Buster, the Calamares installer is included in the debian-live boot images. The (somewhat unreliable?) normal installer is also included, as one of the choices in the first menu after boot. Once in the live system look for an Install Debian icon, or type: sudo calamares See replaced-url
• 244[02:08:47] <bumblefuzz> only cli
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• 246[02:09:13] <lwp> bumblefuzz, what did this cli look like ?
• 247[02:09:15] <bumblefuzz> also, tasksel gives the option to install kde but, after selecting it, it return immediately to the cli
• 248[02:09:25] <bumblefuzz> lwp standard debian cli
• 249[02:09:51] <lwp> look at your dmesg then, in that cli, and see if it is complaining of missing firmware
• 250[02:09:56] <bumblefuzz> it didn't put the user in sudoers file too
• 251[02:10:16] <bumblefuzz> lwp `dmseg...` ?
• 252[02:10:41] <lwp> as root, dmesg | less
• 253[02:11:42] <bumblefuzz> I did dmesg | grep firmware and only got back 1 line, not about any errors
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• 255[02:13:01] <bumblefuzz> how would I start kde form the cli?
• 256[02:13:44] <somiaj> you can try startx
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• 258[02:14:10] <bumblefuzz> it looks like it's working
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• 261[02:14:24] <bumblefuzz> why wouldn't the live image or the full install do this?
• 262[02:14:46] <somiaj> sounds like an issue with the display manger
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• 279[02:29:48] <HighMemoryDaemon> I'm on Debian Unstable. Anyone know how I can search for
• 280[02:29:48] <HighMemoryDaemon> GNOME Shell extensions from GNOME Software? Not working by
• 281[02:29:48] <HighMemoryDaemon> default [20
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• 288[02:42:09] <annadane> !debian-next
• 289[02:42:09] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 290[02:42:16] <annadane> HighMemoryDaemon, ^
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• 301[02:55:27] <HighMemoryDaemon> annadane: Apologies :( Luckily I figured the issue out.
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• 313[03:02:21] <Gm4n> my debian system has started rebooting occasionally. how can I start tracking down if this is hardware or software?
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• 315[03:04:19] <Mr_Queue> c/2
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• 317[03:04:48] <dvs> =3
• 318[03:05:05] <joepublic> c = 6
• 319[03:06:25] <tharkun> Good $DAY I am looking for a nas solution. Any suggestions?
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• 321[03:11:09] <somiaj> Gm4n: are the reboots random? I don't know of anything that would reboot a system by default that isn't hardware.
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• 323[03:12:43] <tharkun> Just realized, wrong channel an apology.
• 324[03:12:51] <dvs> !lart tharkun
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• 327[03:12:58] <dvs> sheesh1
• 328[03:13:14] <cybercrypto> :)
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• 331[03:16:31] <Gm4n> somiaj: as far as I can tell. Is there anything I could look at that might let me start getting an idea how the system went down, though? Like, kernel panic vs power failure vs something else?
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• 335[03:19:43] <cybercrypto> Gm4n: Is your journal fles configured to be 'persistent'? (what journalctl -b 1 tells you?)
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• 343[03:25:29] <somiaj> Gm4n: check in /var/log and if you have have the directory /var/log/journal (I would cerate it if you don't) you can use journalctl to look through the systemd logs
• 344[03:25:56] <somiaj> but /var/log/kern.log or /var/log/messages might contain some clues
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• 349[03:31:33] <Gm4n> cybercrypto: looks like no, non-persistent (no persistent journal was found). somiaj, the man page for journald says that it uses /run/log/journal - do I also want to mkdir /var/log/journal?
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• 351[03:32:36] <somiaj> Gm4n: /run is for the current boot only, debian is setup that if you create the direcotry /var/log/journal logs will be stored there through multiple reboots
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• 353[03:32:57] <somiaj> This doesn't create by default on debian systems (Though I think ther eis some discussion about changing this)
• 354[03:33:04] <somiaj> s/create/exist/
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• 357[03:35:19] <cybercrypto> Gm4n: this means that you do not have journal information from previous boot (your journal is only recording current boot (you can check with journalctl -b). With that said, check the advise from somiaj. You could also consider enabling persistent journal.
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• 362[03:46:30] <HeXiLeD> other than this replaced-url
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• 364[03:48:57] <woddf2> I switched hard drives to try another OS, and now the Debian install on the main hard drive won't boot in UEFI mode. How do I make it boot again?
• 365[03:49:14] <woddf2> s/and now/and now after re-installing the main hard drive/
• 366[03:49:40] <somiaj> !fixmbr
• 367[03:49:40] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
• 368[03:50:01] <somiaj> woddf2: ^^ you could try that, but since it is uefi, sometimes you can just point your firmware at the correct efi file on your efi parttion
• 369[03:50:19] <woddf2> somiaj: How do I do the latter?
• 370[03:50:24] <somiaj> depends on your firmware
• 371[03:50:31] <woddf2> somiaj: Oh, and the drive in question has (almost) full disk encryption.
• 372[03:50:38] <somiaj> (use to be called bios, but firwmare is more appropriate for efi systems)
• 373[03:52:31] <woddf2> somiaj: Oh, and even forcing UEFI doesn't work.
• 374[03:52:43] <woddf2> "Error 1962: No operating system found. Boot sequence will automatically repeat."
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• 376[03:55:03] <woddf2> 01:50:24 < somiaj> depends on your firmware <-- Would you happen to know how to do that on a mid-2010s Lenovo ThinkCentre?
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• 380[03:58:45] <somiaj> woddf2: go into the setup, and poke around in the boot options
• 381[03:58:51] <woddf2> somiaj: I tried that.
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• 383[03:59:04] <somiaj> Oh my system I can actually browse the file system of my efi partition and tell it what efi file to use
• 384[03:59:25] <somiaj> the other option is follow that factod, boot into a live system, unencrypt/mount your system and so on
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• 386[04:00:15] <woddf2> somiaj: Until debian-live-10.3.0-amd64-gnome.iso finishes downloading, I'm stuck. :-P
• 387[04:03:14] <somiaj> I personally find grml a good recover system (don't need a fully gui for this)
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• 389[04:04:27] <woddf2> somiaj: I'll probably mostly use the shell anyway, but that was the image I originally used to install it.
• 390[04:05:04] <woddf2> I'm not on Ubuntu, but this appears to be the same problem I'm having: replaced-url
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• 413[04:42:11] <woddf2> somiaj: That fixed it; thanks.
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• 419[04:53:47] <Gm4n> if I'm seeing a lsb start job failing, where can I look up details on that job identifier?
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• 421[04:55:56] <HeXiLeD> is there such package like fluxbox-generate_menu for debian?
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• 432[05:09:29] <BazookaTooth> v, menumaker
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• 435[05:10:36] <BazookaTooth> ,v menumaker
• 436[05:10:38] <judd> No package named 'menumaker' was found in amd64.
• 437[05:11:22] <BazookaTooth> HeXiLeD: menumaker is a thing but a bit old
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• 464[05:50:49] <Gm4n> if a package can't be removed, how can I see where the post-removal script is failing?
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• 468[05:54:29] <ghostnik11> hey i want to partition some space is it safe to just use disk to partition a current drive? the drive has an os on it
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• 474[06:03:02] <somiaj> Gm4n: did the secript not produce any errors? You can findt he script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/foo and add set -x to it or do various other script debugging
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• 477[06:04:54] <Wulf> Gm4n: if you don't care about the postrm script, you can replace it with "#!/bin/sh exit 0"
• 478[06:05:09] <somiaj> and of course deal with any artificats that leaves behind
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• 508[07:00:06] <usney> my computer just crashed and now I have rebooted. What command or commands do I need to enter in to see the logs for what caused that issue? is it dmesg? If it is dmesg what should I pipe the dmesg text file log I created?
• 509[07:00:27] <usney> and use grep
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• 513[07:06:37] <Ericounet> look at /var/log/messages
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• 515[07:06:58] <Ericounet> and /var/log/daemon.log
• 516[07:07:46] <usney> cool that you
• 517[07:07:59] <usney> doesn't the dmesg command look in the messages log?
• 518[07:08:15] <somiaj> or /var/log/kern.log, and if you have /var/log/journal, this means you have presistant journald, and you can use that to look at all logs fromt he last boot
• 519[07:08:33] <somiaj> only part of it does, and due to systemd, now less than use to
• 520[07:09:46] <usney> I am using ext4 on an installed system not a live usb.
• 521[07:10:46] <usney> I have found some errors to correct that maybe the culprit it is a networking error about creating a backup file it is a long list of the same error.
• 522[07:11:15] <Ericounet> yes, dmesg do it ... but you have only the last run, not the ones wo caused the crash
• 523[07:11:43] <usney> yes I thought that could be a reason to not use it I wasn't sure as why I asked
• 524[07:12:35] <usney> is there a guide to set this up in debian? replaced-url
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• 526[07:13:08] <usney> I have this issue often system crashes I also run a lot of programs at the same time so maybe that could be the culprit too?
• 527[07:13:09] <Wulf> usney: it should be already activated.
• 528[07:13:35] <usney> last time my system froze the key combinations on wikipedia didn't work.
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• 530[07:15:09] <binaryhermit> it is possible for a system to die so badly magic sysrq doesn't work
• 531[07:15:44] <usney> oh okay
• 532[07:16:07] <usney> yes that probably was the cause I am reading that you need to go to a console
• 533[07:16:34] <usney> I already use ctrl alt f1-f7 regularly for different things
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• 535[07:17:44] <usney> I should probably use a forum for this one.
• 536[07:18:27] <usney> But thank you everyone for your informative sources for where to find this in the logs.
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• 538[07:19:07] <usney> I am using a very light desktop environment one that isn't common like lxde/lxqt or xfce.
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• 540[07:19:47] <usney> So maybe it isn't a too much ram being used issue but it could be a too hot or processor being used too heavily at the time of the crash.
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• 542[07:20:20] <usney> See you later everybody I am off to the forums.
• 543[07:20:57] <megacoolvibes> I have a headache
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• 545[07:21:10] <megacoolvibes> root@ip-172-31-33-21:/# php7.2 --version
• 546[07:21:12] <megacoolvibes> installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
• 547[07:21:34] <megacoolvibes> Why is this happening?
• 548[07:22:58] <usney> why is the problem? Is that the output you get when you run --version?
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• 550[07:23:38] <usney> All I can think is maybe you just installed some software or updated the repo recently
• 551[07:24:13] <usney> see you everyone! I am no expert i hope a debian expert can help soon.
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• 553[07:24:37] <megacoolvibes> Well I was trying to update the php on my server for my website
• 554[07:24:50] <megacoolvibes> So I typed php --version, nothing showed
• 555[07:25:03] <megacoolvibes> I typed php7.2 --version, nothing showed
• 556[07:25:22] <megacoolvibes> So I thought maybe I should install some packages
• 557[07:25:29] <usney> isn't the numbers have php the version?
• 558[07:25:36] <usney> in php command
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• 561[07:25:54] <megacoolvibes> No php command works.
• 562[07:26:01] <megacoolvibes> When I type php --version
• 563[07:26:09] <usney> wow
• 564[07:26:09] <megacoolvibes> It says this:
• 565[07:26:19] <megacoolvibes> bash: /usr/bin/php: No such file or directory
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• 567[07:26:30] <usney> did you try installing it again?
• 568[07:26:34] <megacoolvibes> Yes!
• 569[07:26:46] <megacoolvibes> And it says
• 570[07:26:47] <megacoolvibes> php7.2 is already the newest version (7.2.24-0ubuntu0.18.04.4).
• 571[07:26:53] <megacoolvibes> LOL
• 572[07:26:53] <usney> how about trying the whereis command?
• 573[07:26:57] <usney> whereis php
• 574[07:27:09] <megacoolvibes> php: /usr/lib/php /etc/php /usr/share/php7.2-opcache /usr/share/php7.2-common /usr/share/php7.2-curl /usr/share/php7.2-mysql /usr/share/php7.2-gd /usr/share/php7.2-json /usr/share/php7.2-readline /usr/share/php7.2-mbstring /usr/share/php7.2-xml
• 575[07:27:23] <somiaj> megacoolvibes: are you running ubuntu?
• 576[07:27:37] <usney> it doesn't list /usr/bin/php
• 577[07:27:51] <usney> that's the issue it looks like
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• 579[07:28:02] <megacoolvibes> Yes but nobody bothers to answer in ##ubuntu. And ubuntu is a Debian fork afaik
• 580[07:28:06] <somiaj> !ubuntu
• 581[07:28:06] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
• 582[07:28:20] <somiaj> megacoolvibes: still, this is not the place to ask for support for ubuntu, they may deal with their php packages differently
• 583[07:28:40] <usney> you could use ubuntu forum or ubuntu on reddit megacoolvibes
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• 586[07:29:18] <megacoolvibes> Well let's say I was using debian
• 587[07:29:29] <usney> or you could search for "ubuntu /usr/bin/php: No such file or directory" without the quotes.
• 588[07:29:30] <BazookaTooth> ...
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• 590[07:29:49] <usney> in a web search
• 591[07:30:01] <somiaj> megacoolvibes: but you aren't, and ubuntu packages maybe different than debian, so our advise may not work.
• 592[07:30:52] <megacoolvibes> The /usr/bin and /usr/lib aren't similar on Debian and Ubuntu as far as php is concerned?
• 593[07:31:07] <usney> megacoolvibes, replaced-url
• 594[07:31:17] <megacoolvibes> Anyway sorry for bothering
• 595[07:32:50] <usney> you are not bothering us you are just asking for support for a different Gnu/Linux system that is built differently so therefor it can't be supported here.
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• 597[07:33:16] <usney> It does use apt and is mostly based on debian but still it isn't setup the same.
• 598[07:33:28] <somiaj> megacoolvibes: We just like to point people to the proper place to get support. Part of what you choose with a distro is the support communinty, and #debian only supports debian pure blends.
• 599[07:34:14] <megacoolvibes> I guess next time I'll go with debian then
• 600[07:34:32] <megacoolvibes> You guys think it's better than Ubuntu for a webserver aim?
• 601[07:34:54] <somiaj> Ubuntu has a decent support commuinty, I just think it might not be on irc. I always see good answers on their askubuntu.com forms.
• 602[07:35:04] <qman__> both will do that perfectly fine
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• 604[07:35:20] <usney> I think ubuntu uses debian testing am I wrong?
• 605[07:35:37] <usney> so it might not be as stable as the latest debian release.
• 606[07:35:44] <somiaj> megacoolvibes: version of packages, philosophy, and length of support are things to consider.
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• 608[07:36:09] <qman__> it's really about your preference more than anything else
• 609[07:36:12] <somiaj> usney: ubuntu is actually quite different at the core, but it uses debian packages rebuilt from testing for its universe.
• 610[07:36:21] <usney> cool
• 611[07:36:37] <usney> I don't plan I using ubuntu so I don't know.
• 612[07:37:01] <usney> I/on*
• 613[07:37:57] <usney> But if it is located in a different spot than what the program is looking for it you can link it to where it is calling it from megacoolvibes .
• 614[07:38:14] <usney> Go ask ubuntu for help on that.
• 615[07:40:20] <usney> megacoolvibes, replaced-url
• 616[07:40:45] <megacoolvibes> I need a more powerful machine anyway, I'll reinstall everything on Debian
• 617[07:40:51] <megacoolvibes> Thanks for the help
• 618[07:41:07] <usney> you can make a script to install all the software you need
• 619[07:41:32] <usney> there is even a way to get all currently installed apps to install again later or on another machine.
• 620[07:42:15] <usney> it may get errors though because of different versions or naming of that program so you can come here if you get those errors.
• 621[07:43:11] <somiaj> I wouldn't suggest using a package list from ubuntu to install on debian, mostly due to large differences in the core of the os.
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• 623[07:44:12] <megacoolvibes> I only need php+modules/mysql/apache, so it's going to be okay
• 624[07:44:35] <megacoolvibes> I'll type the appropriate commands for Debian one by one
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• 627[07:45:35] <usney> okay sorry about that somiaj thanks for clarifying for us
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• 630[07:47:08] <usney> if you installed everything from a terminal. I get my installed this that way so I only install software I manually installed. To do that I do "history | grep install" without the quotes entered into a terminal or console.
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• 632[07:47:24] <usney> list this way*
• 633[07:47:31] <somiaj> megacoolvibes: My suggestion is to install a minimial debian system, so at the end of the install unselect desktop enviorment, then select standard and ssh server (what I usually do), after that install the software you want using apt.
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• 635[07:48:05] <usney> I like using tasksel tui app to install additional software like desktops and such.
• 636[07:48:30] <usney> if you need it
• 637[07:48:49] <usney> but I don't use that for my preferred GUI since it isn't in the list.
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• 639[07:50:02] <usney> I just openbox plus tint2 extremely lightweight sometimes puppy gnu/linux uses it as their default GUI or DE.
• 640[07:50:22] <usney> Good luck megacoolvibes
• 641[07:50:47] <somiaj> The nice thing about debian is the amount of choice one has, from full DEs, to light weight DEs, to simple window managers.
• 642[07:51:04] <usney> YES very much so!
• 643[07:52:46] <GeeKoyo> ;) <(") echo "Hello #debian" ^.^ Hope all is staying Safe these days..
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• 646[07:54:39] <megacoolvibes> I'm using AWS
• 647[07:54:54] <usney> That's why I disagree with Linus saying that the Desktop Linux failed because of too many distributions and software choices. Maybe we could lessen the different distributions if the main Distributions the ones that haven't created their own and are based on one of the main distributions maybe the main distribution could add an installation meta package that refers to all the packages that distribution uses. But that probably would be too long of a
• 648[07:54:54] <usney> list but maybe just for the really popular ones that aren't that different from the core like ubuntu is from debian.
• 649[07:54:56] <megacoolvibes> There are 3 Debian distros available
• 650[07:55:01] <megacoolvibes> 8,9,10
• 651[07:55:32] <usney> Just a thought
• 652[07:55:46] <megacoolvibes> I don't need any DE. The server purpose is to only run my website backend. Media held by CDN
• 653[07:55:49] <usney> well I am really going to go now and post my problem in the forums.
• 654[07:56:17] <usney> cool megacoolvibes than debian is a great choice for that especially using the stable edition.
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• 656[07:58:36] <usney> Having many software choices is a must however that can't be sacrificed since some of the different choices are essential for certain setups like ones that require low resource usage. :) okay last thing to add. :)
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• 739[09:06:46] <alkisg> Hi, are debian maintainers supposed to be able to login to sso.debian.org? Ever since Alioth went down, I'm unable to...
• 740[09:12:41] <somiaj> alkisg: you might want to ask on #debian-mentors at irc.oftc.net.
• 741[09:12:50] <alkisg> Thank you
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• 745[09:14:01] <ViperXL75> So I've come to a point where I'm considering upgrading my linux kernel. I currently run Debian9 stretch. uname -r says: 4.9.0-9-amd64
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• 748[09:14:52] <ViperXL75> Yet I can't shake the feeling that I'm standing right now unknowingly pointing a gun at my foot. But I'm too dumb to realise that, until I actually shot my foot.
• 749[09:15:49] <ViperXL75> is it safe to "randomly" pick a kernel from the list? apt-cache search linux-image
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• 752[09:19:04] <L0aD1nG> ViperXL75: you compiled the kernel 4.9 yourself?
• 753[09:19:56] <ViperXL75> No. At least... i don't think so. I installed Debian9 stretch from scratch and have been running it for the last 2 years or so.
• 754[09:20:12] <kopper> ViperXL75: Without updates?
• 755[09:20:34] <ViperXL75> oh there has been updates from within the GUI of Debian
• 756[09:21:17] <ViperXL75> the "Software" GUI.
• 757[09:21:17] <kopper> Then you probable have the latest available installed from that apt-cache search
• 758[09:21:53] <L0aD1nG> ViperXL75: thinking about moving to buster (Debian 10)??
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• 760[09:22:17] <ViperXL75> well not exactly. I'm just trying to get a little app to work. "Droidcam"
• 761[09:22:23] <ViperXL75> using phone as webcam
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• 763[09:22:44] <ViperXL75> i came across this error when installing: apt-cache search linux-image
• 764[09:22:47] <ViperXL75> crap sec
• 765[09:23:03] <ViperXL75> make[1]: *** /lib/modules/4.9.0-9-amd64/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
• 766[09:23:57] <ViperXL75> When i try "apt-get install linux-headers-4.9.0-?" i dont see it listed in that list.
• 767[09:24:26] <ViperXL75> <-- Obviously still relatively new to poking under the hood in Linux. :(
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• 770[09:26:18] <L0aD1nG> you might miss the linux-headers package, i search on the web and found one other guy that has the same issue
• 771[09:26:31] <L0aD1nG> check this replaced-url
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• 774[09:26:47] <ViperXL75> on the internet, there has been some talk about 4.9.0-9-amd64 being rather headaches or unstable. And they say "the package was removed". So i thought... well maybe i have to move to another kernel version.
• 775[09:27:01] <ViperXL75> oh
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• 778[09:27:54] <somiaj> ViperXL75: why not upgrade stretch to buster? Any reason you want to stay on stretch (it does loose offical support somewhat in the next few months I think -- though it will have LTS support)
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• 784[09:29:25] <ViperXL75> oh damn
• 785[09:29:27] <ViperXL75> really?
• 786[09:29:34] <ViperXL75> Cuz i'm lazy as ***
• 787[09:29:37] <ViperXL75> well not lazy
• 788[09:30:03] <somiaj> !stretch->buster
• 789[09:30:06] <ViperXL75> But I've been having a lot of pains with this machine
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• 791[09:30:19] <ViperXL75> ehm... not sure what that means
• 792[09:30:23] <ViperXL75> !stretch->buster
• 793[09:30:25] <ViperXL75> ?
• 794[09:30:32] <somiaj> dpkg: stretch->buster
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• 798[09:31:07] <L0aD1nG> ViperXL75: you mean to reinstall it from scratch or upgrading from the terminal?
• 799[09:31:14] <somiaj> dpkg: stretch->buster
• 800[09:31:15] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
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• 802[09:31:46] <somiaj> ViperXL75: debian is designed to be upgraded in place, that was a command for the bot to give you some basic guidelines, this will upgrade your kernel along with the rest of the sfotware you have intstalled to the new stable release buster.
• 803[09:32:07] <ViperXL75> ohhh
• 804[09:32:10] <somiaj> ViperXL75: this of course should be done if you have enough time and make sure you have backups just in case somethign goes wrong.
• 805[09:32:45] <ViperXL75> debian can be upgraded in place ?!?
• 806[09:32:49] <ViperXL75> daaaaamn
• 807[09:32:50] <ViperXL75> ok
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• 811[09:34:41] <somiaj> I would read that link, but there are people who are runnign the same debian install from 15-20 years ago
• 812[09:34:53] <somiaj> just keep upgraing it from release to release over time
• 813[09:35:11] <somiaj> Usually I only doa fresh install when I get a new machine, and then upgrade from there
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• 817[09:35:27] <ViperXL75> back in town... had to jump to WIFI
• 818[09:35:46] <L0aD1nG> somiaj: i left my netbook on wheezy.. and its unable to upgrade now right? i should reinstall..
• 819[09:37:13] <somiaj> L0aD1nG: you can upgrade wheezy -> stretch, then you can upgrade stretch -> buster
• 820[09:37:22] <somiaj> so it is still upgradable, but you have to do it one release at a time (don't skip)
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• 822[09:38:25] <L0aD1nG> somiaj: after wheezy it jessie, am i wrong?
• 823[09:38:34] <L0aD1nG> s/it/it was
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• 825[09:39:18] <somiaj> oh am I off a release, then yes jessie first
• 826[09:39:38] <somiaj> releases will be on archive.debian.org if they aren't on the offical servers and still usable
• 827[09:40:04] <L0aD1nG> somiaj: i ll might to a fresh install just for fun :)
• 828[09:40:07] <somiaj> L0aD1nG: yea I was off so wheezy -> jessie -> stretch -> buster -- you can upgrade the whole way
• 829[09:40:13] <L0aD1nG> setting up the system sometimes is fun
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• 832[09:45:50] <L0aD1nG> debian 1.1 had supported 474 packages buster now supports ~59.000 thats cool.
• 833[09:46:47] <BazookaTooth> silly to compare a stat like that tho :P
• 834[09:46:54] <L0aD1nG> :D
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• 836[09:47:14] <L0aD1nG> i was checking the history on wikipedia
• 837[09:47:20] <BazookaTooth> ah
• 838[09:47:41] <oxek> I have the option of installing vscodium as a .deb or as an .AppImage. Which one should I go for on a fresh installation of debian 10 x64?
• 839[09:48:23] <somiaj> oxek: was the .deb made to be compadable with debian 10 (or was it made for ubuntu or some other debian distro)
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• 841[09:48:44] <oxek> somiaj: no idea, doesn't specify on replaced-url
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• 844[09:51:09] <somiaj> oxek: the .deb might be independent enough it can install in debian. I don't see enough information to know if it will be compadable with debian 10 or not.
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• 846[09:51:45] <somiaj> appimage should run and be compadable. I might be tempted to try the .deb, but if the dependenceies cannot be satsified in debian 10, don't try to force it.
• 847[09:51:45] <oxek> somiaj: so if in doubt I shoud pick the AppImage version?
• 848[09:52:35] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 850[09:55:15] <hesco1> how would I proceed to investigate and resolve this disk full issue. df says disk full, but du does not believe it. I tend to trust du here. replaced-url
• 851[09:55:27] <riverr> What would be good way to alert on ddos attacks? I have ratelimit rule which will drop packets so I thought something like getting the packet count from specific line in iptables and act based on how much packets were dropped
• 852[09:55:30] <riverr> any other ideas?
• 853[09:57:02] <hesco1> riverr: I like to have the alert tell me where I have documented the resolution of the alert, a wiki url, ehat-have-you, if not actually tell me specifically what I need to do.
• 854[09:57:53] <riverr> hesco1, I mean just to notify me in some way that ddos attack happened, as example it could execute bash script which sends me email etc
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• 858[10:01:33] <BazookaTooth> riverr: tried #netfilter too?
• 859[10:01:35] <hesco1> riverr: you do not want to be woken up by an alert without a clear idea of what is required of you. If you just need awareness for the morning, send relevant excerpts of your logs as an email after some trigger, but the moment you want to create an email filter so you can ignore your alerts is the moment, perhaps, that the alert might better be turned off.
• 860[10:01:56] <riverr> BazookaTooth, oh yeah i should probably ask there instead. There isnt as much people online atm though
• 861[10:02:45] <riverr> hesco1, hmm yeah its okay I have everything on mute when im sleeping :D
• 862[10:02:56] <riverr> but at the day time it would be nice to know asap if it happens
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• 922[11:28:24] <L0aD1nG> i would like to ask if i need apache2 to run on start up by default on a personal computer... do i need it?
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• 926[11:30:41] <ansimita> L0aD1nG: Depends on your use case. It's okay to disable it.
• 927[11:31:09] <L0aD1nG> ansimita: its for http server right?
• 928[11:31:23] <ansimita> yes
• 929[11:31:51] <L0aD1nG> ansimita: does debian need it to run for some reason other than being a server?
• 930[11:31:58] <ansimita> no
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• 932[11:32:05] <L0aD1nG> okay thanks
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• 977[12:14:47] <L0aD1nG> if you pick "base system utilities" on installtion process is apache2 included?? I am trying to undestand why i have it installed..
• 978[12:14:58] <L0aD1nG> and "laptop"
• 979[12:15:12] <L0aD1nG> also picked the "laptop" choice
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• 982[12:16:20] <L0aD1nG> back in time when i fresh installed debian wheezy.
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• 990[12:24:44] <r15> hi #debian, i have / under btrfs without compression, is it possible to enable compression for some path for example /opt/ ?
• 991[12:25:22] <r15> ' /opt' is under / and / is using btfs (don't want to compress whole /) ?
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• 996[12:31:06] <Antoine-> Hello, how can I tell if I am using the default configuration file of a package?
• 997[12:31:24] <Antoine-> I'd like to know if my /etc/default/grub is the default or if I edited it at some point
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• 1048[13:22:45] <kats99> CCD3301
• 1049[13:23:22] <abrotman> kats99: was that a password?
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• 1051[13:24:30] <kats99> I made a mistake
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• 1063[13:41:03] <knob> Hello. Is there a "n00b friendly" way to install python3.6 in Debian10 Buster?
• 1064[13:41:58] <knob> I have done a couple of python3.7 scripts... and it works on my local computer. Yet I it doesn't work on a remote Debian10 server. I *think* that I have narrowed down the problem to: local computer has python3.6, and remote server has python3.7
• 1065[13:42:22] <knob> I want to do a test on a fresh Debian10 machine... and install Python3.6
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• 1068[13:43:47] <rabbitear_g> replaced-url
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• 1074[13:48:17] <abrotman> rabbitear_g: wtf .. wrong channel
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• 1079[13:51:51] <knob> Where can I download previous Debian releases? I am looking for Debian10 CD
• 1080[13:53:17] <abrotman> Buster is the current release
• 1081[13:54:29] <knob> Errr... yes. Sorry. I am looking to download Debian9 Stretch
• 1082[13:54:36] <knob> Yet I can't find it...
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• 1090[13:57:42] <abrotman> replaced-url
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• 1092[13:58:30] <knob> Thank you abrotman
• 1093[13:58:44] <knob> How did you arrive at that link?
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• 1095[13:59:08] <knob> I have searched for 10 minutes and... I just can't see where there is a list of previous releases (and if it even exists).
• 1096[14:00:07] <abrotman> dpkg: release history
• 1097[14:00:08] <dpkg> Named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25), Stretch (9; 2017-06-17), Buster (10; 2019-07-06). Next: Bullseye. replaced-url
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• 1101[14:03:06] <knob> Yeah... but *how did you get the link*?
• 1102[14:03:10] <knob> The download link itself
• 1103[14:03:23] <knob> A listing of links to download different ISOs?
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• 1105[14:03:56] <abrotman> Some of the CD mirrors have older versions
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• 1107[14:05:52] <abrotman> replaced-url
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• 1109[14:05:58] <knob> Ahh. Ok so browsing the mirrors. Ok. Thank you abrotman
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• 1111[14:08:14] <ivek1980> Hello! I only test IRC, can you read this? Thanks!
• 1112[14:08:20] <abrotman> no
• 1113[14:08:21] <knob> Any recommended way of installing *specifically* python3.6 on Debian10-buster?
• 1114[14:08:36] <abrotman> knob: why?
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• 1116[14:08:45] <knob> reasons
• 1117[14:08:49] <choice> Is it possible to manually install the man page for a command?
• 1118[14:09:02] <abrotman> buster has 3.7 ... that's not good enough?
• 1119[14:09:30] <abrotman> choice: do you have the document already? or just asking if you can install just a -doc package for example?
• 1120[14:09:41] <joepublic> if you need something for "reasons," then specifically install it via "methods." You're welcome. :)
• 1121[14:09:48] <choice> abrotman: I dunno. I want to see the man page of certbot.
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• 1123[14:10:46] <abrotman> choice: typically, I'll google "foocmd man page" if I don't want to install the package
• 1124[14:11:19] <abrotman> if you have the actual man page, you can "compile" it .. but I don't think that's what you're asking
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• 1126[14:11:34] <choice> abrotman: I have the package, but not the man page. Somehow the debian-slim dockerfile prevents man pages from being installed.
• 1127[14:11:46] <abrotman> are you sure it has a man page?
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• 1129[14:12:05] <choice> abrotman: Pretty much
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• 1131[14:12:39] <abrotman> do you have /usr/share/man/man1/certbot.1.gz
• 1132[14:13:03] <choice> abrotman: I don't even have /usr/share/man/man1/
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• 1134[14:13:26] <abrotman> well, that's fun
• 1135[14:13:38] <abrotman> you can download the package manually, extract the man page ..
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• 1137[14:13:56] <choice> Uh oh that sounds like too much hassle.
• 1138[14:14:23] <abrotman> it's not really
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• 1141[14:17:36] <JadedJ> I'm using the wifi driver brcmsmac, is it possible to go back to an older version?
• 1142[14:17:55] <JadedJ> I'm currently using 4.15.0-96-generic
• 1143[14:17:55] <abrotman> choice: replaced-url
• 1144[14:18:54] <abrotman> JadedJ: I think you want #ubuntu, good luck
• 1145[14:20:59] <choice> abrotman: Thanks. But well .. I am sure the man page was online somewhere on the world wide web before. I was just curious if there is a way to install it manually.
• 1146[14:21:21] <abrotman> choice: I told you to extract it, and you didn't want that
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• 1148[14:21:56] <choice> abrotman: Yup. I prefer reading it on the replaced-url
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• 1150[14:22:48] <sgo11> hi, for per user home encrytion, can luks encryption support that? Do I still need ecryptfs even if my entire parition is encrypted by LUKS? Does it make sense or too much have two ecryptfs and LUKS encryptions on one system? Thanks.
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• 1152[14:23:56] <abrotman> so, it was already on the web, and that wasn't good enough, the raw man page wasn't good enough, extracting it yourself wasn't good enough .. okay then
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• 1220[15:38:07] <archaeopter> Hello! Is there something like a KDE Neon to debian? ( semi-latest kde, out of the box useable with preinstalled standard progs)
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• 1227[15:45:43] <cybercrypto> archaeopter: what do you mean?
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• 1231[15:46:37] <archaeopter> KDE neon is ubuntu lts fork+ latest kde , i kinda want the same without ubuntu
• 1232[15:46:44] <cybercrypto> archaeopter: you can have Debian running KDE, and it is officially supported.
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• 1234[15:48:04] <archaeopter> Yes, but its no preconfigured, it doesnt have preinstalled standard programs and its kde is dinosaur
• 1235[15:48:13] <cybercrypto> archaeopter: KDE software ON KDE neon will always be 'up-to-date'. It is the goal of the Neon project.
• 1236[15:48:55] <cybercrypto> KDE software in debian, even it is not 'latest' is pretty decent, and on top of it, it is pretty stable.
• 1237[15:49:31] <archaeopter> Yes, but i dont want to wait 2 years between each kde desktop
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• 1239[15:49:48] <cybercrypto> archaeopter: so i guess the answer is: No. you will never have same KDE software supported on debian, if compared to kde neon.
• 1240[15:50:08] <archaeopter> K, thx! Guess ill go for neon
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• 1242[15:50:39] <cybercrypto> archaeopter: somepeople will say that you can use 'debian testing' which will provide you newer KDE software... but I dont like that option.
• 1243[15:50:46] <archaeopter> I myself use debian testing with kde, but i just want an iso to install for a friend
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• 1245[15:51:14] <cybercrypto> if you want latest plasma, kde neon will give you that (including all the bugs together :)
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• 1247[15:51:54] <archaeopter> I doubt it will be less stable than debian testing with kde
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• 1249[15:52:09] <Lope> ratrace, you asked about artifacts in x2go. Well I was actually starting to do some software dev now, and noticed some of the text was miscoloured, so I changed the compression from adaptive to nopack, and now the text color is perfect.
• 1250[15:52:14] <archaeopter> Cause i have bugs plenty on it
• 1251[15:52:33] <cybercrypto> archaeopter: thats great, sounds like you have your decision. have fun.
• 1252[15:52:52] <Lope> nopack was actually fine previously as well, as it's going thru virtio localhost. adaptive just allows for 15% less CPU usage if I play a youtube video inside the x2go session, which I prefer not to do anyway.
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• 1254[15:53:25] <archaeopter> Btw, any idea on how to inspect flickering LAN connection on debian?
• 1255[15:53:41] <cybercrypto> archaeopter: have you tried fedora? KDE is quite new there.
• 1256[15:53:59] <cybercrypto> archaeopter: make a comparison and see what fit your needs
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• 1259[15:54:14] <archaeopter> Hmm, fedora might be a good alternative to neon, true
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• 1266[15:54:57] <cybercrypto> archaeopter: opensuse is also plasma default DDE. check it to see and compare
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• 1288[16:12:55] <ws2k3> in ethtool -S eth0 im seeing rx_missed_errors: 535, what could this be or hw would i diagnose this?
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• 1291[16:17:40] <sudomake> hello, I cant open some websites. in the last session I had the same and tried this solution; replaced-url
• 1292[16:17:50] <sudomake> I thought it worked but now I see it didnt
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• 1294[16:18:12] <sudomake> askubuntu.com, superuser.com are the sites that I have tried so far and cannot open
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• 1319[16:47:38] <cybercrypto> sudomake: I did not get. could you clarify what is your question and goal?
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• 1323[16:50:39] <tehnull> how do I adjust display gamma on debian 10?
• 1324[16:51:04] <tehnull> I just upgraded from 9 and the gamma is so intense all colors are washed out
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• 1326[16:52:30] <tehnull> nm I did it in nvidia-settings but now I'm going to have to make this change on every boot
• 1327[16:52:48] <sudomake> cybercrypto, seems solved for now. the problem was that some websites didnt open.
• 1328[16:52:52] <sudomake> unable to connect
• 1329[16:53:18] <cybercrypto> sudomake: glad to hear.
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• 1337[16:58:45] <kats99> replaced-url
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• 1340[16:59:21] <kats99> There are two users in this and if one can login, the other can't
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• 1345[17:01:05] <kats99> Sorry wrong channel..
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• 1352[17:09:48] <tyzef> Hi guys... I am done... I try to record with my input mic but no sound, I tested the mic and it work on my phone but not on my debian...
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• 1354[17:10:18] <tyzef> it's two days now I can't make it work, I am on a debian minimal buster
• 1355[17:10:27] <tyzef> just openbox and some stufs
• 1356[17:10:52] <tyzef> I searched a lot on the web but now way
• 1357[17:11:03] <tyzef> noway
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• 1427[18:19:27] <sufy> hello #debian I am having problems with rtl8192ce a new pci card i got that seems to keep turning on and off, i followed the trouble shooting guide but still have the issue
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• 1433[18:25:06] <lwp> !rtl8192ce
• 1434[18:25:06] <dpkg> The Realtek RTL8188CE and RTL8192CE are PCIe 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets (PCI IDs 10ec:8176, 10ec:8177, 10ec:8178, 10ec:8191). mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192ce) is available since Linux 2.6.38. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. replaced-url
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• 1436[18:25:27] <lwp> !realtek firmware
• 1437[18:25:27] <dpkg> Firmware from userspace is required by the <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192su>, <r8712u>, <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192cu>, <rtl8192de>, <rtl8192se>, <rtl8821ae>, <r8192ee>, <r8188eu> and <r8723au> Linux kernel drivers. Firmware patches providing bug fixes for specific Realtek Ethernet controllers are also available. Ask me about <non-free sources>, then install the firmware-realtek package to provide.
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• 1439[18:26:10] <lwp> sufy, do you have that package installed ?
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• 1444[18:28:09] <sufy> lwp: yes i have had firmware-realtek installed, it didn't work so i have removed it to try build from source
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• 1448[18:29:49] <sufy> my particular one says it requires some troubleshooting editing a config file to disable power management, I have tried one example on an old debian website but it didn't help
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• 1468[18:46:21] <sufy> lwp: if you are still around, still troubleshooting, could using a different kernel such as liquorix make the firmware not work correctly?
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• 1474[18:51:23] <lwp> sufy, it is possible. I think you need a kernel module that knows how to talk to that specific firmware. I don't know anything about liquorix
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• 1476[18:53:07] <lwp> sufy, you definitely need the firmware -- if you removed firmware-realtek, I hope you succeeded making a replacement
• 1477[18:54:20] <lwp> !zen
• 1478[18:54:20] <dpkg> Zen is :)(:, or a school of Mahayana Buddhism, or the Zen kernel: a variant of the Linux kernel optimized for desktop systems, including code not present in mainline. Liquorix kernel image packages (replaced-url
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• 1481[18:57:45] <miskatonic> also not confused with dzen2
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• 1489[19:06:46] <soft_concrete> how do I find out which package includes a certain program on Debian? I'm used to Arch Linux where I'd use "pkgfile -s program_name"
• 1490[19:07:18] <nkuttler> soft_concrete: dpkg -S
• 1491[19:08:14] <soft_concrete> well I did that, and I still don't have a clue which package provides the "dig" tool on Debian, nkuttler
• 1492[19:08:34] <nkuttler> soft_concrete: you did what?
• 1493[19:08:36] <phogg> soft_concrete: if it's installed dpkg -S or (if installed) dlocate. For non-installed packages use apt-file search
• 1494[19:08:46] <soft_concrete> phogg: thanks :)
• 1495[19:09:00] <nkuttler> !apt-file
• 1496[19:09:00] <dpkg> apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <judd-file>, <auto-apt>, <dlocate>.
• 1497[19:09:12] <phogg> soft_concrete: also, dnsutils
• 1498[19:09:50] <lwp> or, here in IRC, you can do this:
• 1499[19:09:55] <lwp> ,file /usr/bin/dig
• 1500[19:09:59] <judd> Search for /usr/bin/dig in buster/amd64: dnsutils: usr/bin/dig
• 1501[19:10:25] <lwp> (like phogg said, already)
• 1502[19:10:41] <phogg> soft_concrete: packages.debian.org is another option if you can't install apt-file -- you can get some useful answers that way
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• 1504[19:11:59] <zmoo> hello debian channel
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• 1506[19:12:21] <zmoo> gcc version 3,4,26 was required for a compile suggestions?
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• 1509[19:13:05] <karlpinc> zmoo: Ok.
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• 1513[19:13:38] <zmoo> current is Debian 8.3.0-6
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• 1516[19:14:00] <karlpinc> zmoo: You have a question?
• 1517[19:14:29] <zmoo> looks like the latest dosent have the 3.4.26 libary
• 1518[19:14:31] <zmoo> link
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• 1521[19:15:03] <zmoo> I guess I feel like asking am I going to need to compile gcc to get this?
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• 1523[19:15:44] <zmoo> is there a newer source reccomended?
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• 1527[19:19:54] <lwp> zmoo, exactly what library are you looking for ?
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• 1533[19:24:28] <zmoo> not sure compiling openwrt kernel throws error on make.
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• 1537[19:25:21] <zmoo> it says GLIBCXX version 3.4.26 not found
• 1538[19:25:32] <zmoo> and its right its not on the system
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• 1540[19:25:47] <somiaj> ,v libc6
• 1541[19:25:49] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u4; buster: 2.28-10; bullseye: 2.30-4; sid: 2.30-4; experimental: 2.31-0experimental0
• 1542[19:25:54] <zmoo> I have GLIBCXX 3.4.25 and thats the latest
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• 1544[19:26:07] <zmoo> im on buster
• 1545[19:26:09] <somiaj> zmoo: do you ahve the development headers installed too?
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• 1547[19:26:38] <zmoo> I probably dont
• 1548[19:26:57] <somiaj> I'm not sure what package you would need, not getting any serach results with glibcxx
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• 1550[19:27:36] <zmoo> this is the error >> replaced-url
• 1551[19:27:47] <zmoo> but the solution is for a different system
• 1552[19:27:55] <zmoo> anyway dev headers
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• 1558[19:32:03] <b14s> hi, i've setup hostapd, and isc-dhcp-server to provide a hotspot within my home. mobiles stuck on obtaining ip. and I can see in the dhcp log that it stuck on dhcpdiscover/dhcpoffer, but that's it. what can be the issue?
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• 1563[19:35:37] <lwp> zmoo, maybe you should check in replaced-url
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• 1568[19:37:37] <nagetier> Hello, i cant install a package listed on packages.debian.org in testing within 10.3 where buster-backports in source.list are enabled. Using 'apt -t buster-backports 'package'' shows only the installed buster version, a 'upgrade' find more than 50 packages, but not 'libffado2' 2.4.2-1, the one I'm searching.
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• 1571[19:39:09] <somiaj> testing is not buster-backports, they are different repos. And don't install testing packages in stable
• 1572[19:39:20] <somiaj> buster-backports is a select very few testing packages that have been built for buster.
• 1573[19:39:51] <nagetier> ah, okay, thanks, I miss that information.
• 1574[19:40:07] <somiaj> !ssb
• 1575[19:40:08] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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• 1577[19:40:15] <somiaj> you can create your own backports if needed.
• 1578[19:40:16] <nagetier> thx
• 1579[19:40:24] <somiaj> ,check-backport libffado2
• 1580[19:40:25] <judd> Backporting package libffado2 in sid→buster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster.
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• 1582[19:40:35] <somiaj> seems the libary you want to backport should be able to be built in buster.
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• 1584[19:40:48] <nagetier> okay, nice to hear
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• 1593[19:48:48] <nagetier> thx somiaj, going to read
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• 1685[20:47:07] <jjakob> How do I force apt-get --reinstall to replace all package files that were modified?
• 1686[20:47:20] <jjakob> Dpkg options force-overwrite?
• 1687[20:47:21] <dpkg> jjakob: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
• 1688[20:47:45] <jjakob> I'm not talking to you dpkg
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• 1694[20:48:29] <jjakob> maybe force-confmiss
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• 1701[20:50:02] <sney> !confmiss
• 1702[20:50:02] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
• 1703[20:50:28] <jjakob> nope, confmiss doesn't work
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• 1705[20:50:35] <jjakob> I modified a config file
• 1706[20:50:45] <sney> well, you would need to get a list of the modified packages first
• 1707[20:50:53] <jjakob> I want to restore the package's one first
• 1708[20:50:58] <jjakob> I know the package
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• 1710[20:51:09] <jjakob> from dpkg -S
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• 1712[20:52:23] <metbsd> i'm confused about useradd and adduser
• 1713[20:52:27] <metbsd> what's the difference
• 1714[20:52:36] <sney> I know it's possible because debconf does it on package upgrades. I'm not sure how to force that to accept the default config files though.
• 1715[20:52:39] <metbsd> when i use adduser how do i specify user primary group?
• 1716[20:52:52] <sney> metbsd: they are both legacy utilities that can do roughly the same thing but have different behavior
• 1717[20:52:52] <metbsd> since adduser is more recommended
• 1718[20:52:56] <joepublic> the user's primary group with adduser will be the username
• 1719[20:53:02] <sney> adduser is slightly more user friendly.
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• 1721[20:53:11] <metbsd> all legacy? so which one i use?
• 1722[20:53:21] <sney> legacy doesn't mean "don't use"
• 1723[20:53:36] <metbsd> joepublic, then each user has their own group?
• 1724[20:53:40] <joepublic> useradd is more of a tool, adduser is more of a wizard
• 1725[20:53:43] <metbsd> shouldn't they be all in user?
• 1726[20:53:55] <jjakob> Tried UCF_FORCE_CONFFMISS=1, no changr
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• 1728[20:54:15] <joepublic> 'all in user' ?
• 1729[20:54:21] <metbsd> shouldn't all user be in 'users' group?
• 1730[20:54:33] <metbsd> why every user has their own group?
• 1731[20:54:38] <metbsd> i don't get it
• 1732[20:54:51] <jjakob> I can't purge it since it has other packages depending on it
• 1733[20:55:16] <joepublic> metbsd, not by default they are not added to a group 'users', no
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• 1737[20:55:46] <joepublic> the group name being the same as the username is often used in setting file permissions
• 1738[20:56:12] <metbsd> yes that's what im asking, shouldn't they be added to the group 'users' instead of a group by their own username?
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• 1741[20:56:41] <metbsd> what's the group 'users' for?
• 1742[20:57:03] <joepublic> you can do that if you want, but it's not done by default. I guess that's my question for you, what do you need the group 'users' for?
• 1743[20:57:27] <metbsd> so now it becomes: joe:joe, jane:jane,tom:tom,
• 1744[20:57:43] <metbsd> i thought they should be joe:users,jane:users,tom:users
• 1745[20:58:14] <joepublic> users can be in more than one group, so joe is in the group joe, but also in the groups cdrom, floppy, audio, video, etc.
• 1746[20:58:27] <joepublic> it's kind of a given that any certain user is a user, by definition
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• 1749[20:59:16] <metbsd> 'cdrom floppy audio video' are supplementary groups. i know
• 1750[20:59:24] <metbsd> but there's only one primary group, right?
• 1751[20:59:32] <metbsd> one primary group for a user
• 1752[21:00:04] <metbsd> what's the benefit to create so many groups 'jane john tom ted blabla'
• 1753[21:00:07] <joepublic> no, just groups. not a primary and some supplementary.
• 1754[21:00:30] <joepublic> the group name being the same as the username is often used in setting file permissions [rerun brought to you by joepublic(tm)]
• 1755[21:01:06] <metbsd> if you check the man page, you find 'A list of supplementary groups which the user is also a member of.
• 1756[21:01:11] <metbsd> that's for -G option
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• 1758[21:02:17] <metbsd> so if i make them 'joe:users,jane:users', will there be potential problem in the future?
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• 1760[21:02:35] <joepublic> no, I don'
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• 1762[21:02:53] <joepublic> don't know of any software that counts on a user being a member of a group named the same as the user
• 1763[21:03:54] <metbsd> so it's safe to make all users in the group name of 'users'?
• 1764[21:04:02] <joepublic> it's safe.
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• 1766[21:04:26] <metbsd> i user adduser instead of useradd?
• 1767[21:04:29] <metbsd> i use
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• 1769[21:04:39] <joepublic> think about your file permissions, and make sure you are lock down group permissions, if everyone is in the same group.
• 1770[21:04:57] <joepublic> use whichever you like, adduser just takes less fiddling.
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• 1775[21:05:59] <joepublic> bsd is arguably unix, but 'Gnu's Not Unix'
• 1776[21:06:05] <jjakob> Well, I just unpacked the deb with dpkg-deb and cp'ed the file by hand
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• 1779[21:08:06] <metbsd> no i use debian only now
• 1780[21:08:12] <metbsd> i'm done with bsd
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• 1782[21:08:29] <joepublic> something wrong with it, or you just prefer debian? curious
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• 1784[21:09:43] <metbsd> i just prefer debian
• 1785[21:09:52] <metbsd> less bugs
• 1786[21:10:01] <metbsd> and more compatible
• 1787[21:10:10] <joepublic> okay. thanks.
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• 1789[21:10:48] <metbsd> no, thank you
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• 1803[21:15:41] <annadane> i think users should start with linux and then try bsd in a safe environment
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• 1805[21:15:50] <annadane> it's more manual, or at least freebsd is
• 1806[21:16:05] <annadane> i get frustrated when i try using bsd and that's nothing against it, it's just different paradigms
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• 1810[21:17:14] <joepublic> base, ports, packages => packages
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• 1813[21:19:14] <metbsd> don't get me wrong. bsd is a good unix system
• 1814[21:20:00] <metbsd> it's just less compatible in applications and buggy because of smaller community compare to linux
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• 1816[21:20:09] <metbsd> plus debian is pretty good
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• 1818[21:20:31] <Mrbuck> Hi what is that default RDP client installed in debian I forgot its name
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• 1822[21:21:47] <epsilon> you mean rdesktop?
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• 1832[21:29:24] <Mrbuck> epsilon: not sure, I used to have one on default forgot its name
• 1833[21:29:59] <lpancescu> hi, does it make any difference if i install XFCE using XFCE CD 1 compared to netinst? i assume the same preseed file should work with both isos, right?
• 1834[21:31:28] <sney> they both give you the same packages in the install, the only difference is what's in the actual iso
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• 1836[21:31:56] <lpancescu> sney: thanks!
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• 1838[21:32:12] <sney> np
• 1839[21:32:37] <sney> to see what those packages are, you can look at replaced-url
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• 1844[21:36:10] <lpancescu> thanks
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• 1848[21:43:59] <Mrbuck> is it rdesktop ? I couldn;t find its images
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• 1854[21:50:15] * lwp started with bsd (forgot what flavor) in a dial-up shell account at msen in Ann Arbor, from my 8088 running kermit. Eventually got a used 486 and downloaded (via kermit) the pile-O-floppies to install SLS linux.
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• 1900[22:32:17] <Mrbuck> Can someone check for me in debian gnome...what is that default rdp client
• 1901[22:32:31] <Mrbuck> its not remmina or rdesktop
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• 1905[22:34:16] <lwp> looks like vinagre maybe
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• 1909[22:36:31] <Mrbuck> lwp: yes it is thank you
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• 1938[22:57:35] <mzajc> How would I go about installing AMDGPU-PRO drivers on Debian?
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• 1942[23:00:53] <petn-randall> mzajc: Is there a reason you need that specific driver?
• 1943[23:01:05] <mzajc> Yes, for Blender.
• 1944[23:01:35] <mzajc> It seems like the opensource AMDGPU doesn't include OpenCL support, which is required by Cycles.
• 1945[23:03:16] <petn-randall> mzajc: I guess you have to install it from amd directly.
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• 1947[23:03:53] <mzajc> And how would I do that? Using the installation script errors out on building the DKMS module. It being built and tested for Ubuntu doesn't help either.
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• 1950[23:05:00] <sney> do you already have build-essential and your kernel's headers installed?
• 1951[23:05:19] <sney> also, usually the dkms make.log will tell you exactly what went wrong
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• 1954[23:07:29] <mzajc> Yes, I have the headers and build-essential.
• 1955[23:08:09] <mzajc> sney: I can send the build log if you could do anything with it, I don't know what when wrong from it.
• 1956[23:08:33] <joepublic> what kernel version(s) does it target vs. what kernel version do you have?
• 1957[23:08:33] <sney> you can pastebin it if you want
• 1958[23:09:19] <mzajc> target is 5.4.7.33, I have 5.5.0-1
• 1959[23:09:23] <sney> the current amdgpu-pro installer targets whatever is in ubuntu 18, but they list "compatibility" for a bunch of different linux releases so it should be fairly broad
• 1960[23:09:50] <mzajc> Here it is: replaced-url
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• 1962[23:13:25] <mzajc> sney: would it be possible to change the erroneous source file to fix the issue?
• 1963[23:13:28] <sney> 5.4.7.33 is the amdgpu version, not the kernel it's supposed to work with.
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• 1966[23:14:04] <mzajc> I see. I suppose it's the thing Ubuntu 18 has.
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• 1968[23:14:27] <sney> possible? yes, but that would require - at the very least - internal knowledge of how the driver works and how that part of the kernel works. AMD will probably do this themselves eventually
• 1969[23:14:43] <sney> in the meantime, try rolling back to an older kernel like the 5.4 that was in testing until recently. see if that builds
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• 1971[23:15:10] <joepublic> if you like newer kernels, dkms is Not Your Friend
• 1972[23:15:46] <mzajc> And where can I get the headers for those kernels? Or can I just use the 5.5 ones?
• 1973[23:15:57] <sney> nvidia-driver cooperated fine with 5.5 on my system. it varies. but yes, out-of-tree stuff lags behind the bleeding edge
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• 1977[23:17:07] <sney> you can get every package ever uploaded from snapshot.debian.org. linux-headers-5.4.0-4-amd64 and -common
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• 1979[23:19:28] <sney> ubuntu is pretty cagey about kernel versions on their wiki for some reason but it looks like 18.04 had a 4.15 kernel and eventually had some kind of 5.x available as an optional upgrade. chances are good that AMD only targeted the former
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• 1992[23:25:26] <mzajc> Gonna reboot into 5.4 now
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• 2009[23:34:37] <schmuck> Hi. Is debian safe to use for a girl that's about to turn 17? (me)
• 2010[23:34:45] <mzajc> Absolutely.
• 2011[23:34:55] <mzajc> DKMS installation worked. So much for frontwards compatibility, AMD.
• 2012[23:34:59] <schmuck> okay, I'll install it then.
• 2013[23:35:15] <mzajc> Geez, why is it builting it for the new kernel
• 2014[23:35:24] <mzajc> don't do that
• 2015[23:35:26] <mzajc> no
• 2016[23:35:28] <mzajc> bad
• 2017[23:35:29] <sney> dkms will attempt a build for all headers on the system
• 2018[23:35:44] <mzajc> I hope that won't cause dpkg to fail
• 2019[23:35:59] <sney> iirc it won't
• 2020[23:36:27] <mzajc> it still does waste my time
• 2021[23:36:35] <sney> rip
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• 2023[23:37:48] <mzajc> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
• 2024[23:37:50] <mzajc> o/
• 2025[23:38:00] <mzajc> uninstalling the newer kernel it is, then
• 2026[23:38:05] <sney> just the headers
• 2027[23:38:21] <mzajc> right, that does help matters a bit
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